Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread Shriram Shrikumar
Hi All, firstly, these are just my opinions so lets not start a war. I think most of us would agree that linux is not the easiest to use and in X, it is not the fastest and still not near the ease of use of windows - Mozilla takes a good few seconds to load up on at least the lower spec

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:44:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 03:28:42PM -0700, Ben Hartshorne wrote: And he does have a point. The anti-M$ sentiment has led to a number of comments on this list that, were I thinking of transitioning to Linux,

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 02:14:45AM -0700, Shriram Shrikumar wrote: Hi All, firstly, these are just my opinions so lets not start a war. I think most of us would agree that linux is not the easiest to use and in X, it is not the fastest and still not near the ease of use of windows -

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: ... Sorry to disappoint you Hall, but I have used windows since the first release of 95, and still have to use it regularly. Up until about 2 weeks ago I had to have NT, then 2k on my machine at work. Fortunately for me I now have Debian running on it.

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread John Gilger
From: Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, what I'm really interested in is the adamant MS-bashers and when they've last used Windows. If they're s against it, I assume they either never have or it's been 5+ years. I'm not an adamant MS-bahser, at least I don't think so ;) However,

RE: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread Brad R
, anyways. Hope this wasn't off topic. Brad R. -Original Message- From: John Gilger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:01 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...) From: Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread Erik Steffl
Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:44:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 03:28:42PM -0700, Ben Hartshorne wrote: And he does have a point. The anti-M$ sentiment has led to a number of comments on this list that, were I thinking

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-11 Thread csj
On Thursday 11 October 2001 17:14, Shriram Shrikumar wrote: Linux is a couple of steps behing in ease of use in comparison to windows. Windows is weak where linux is especially strong like stability and flexibility. Ms has billions of dollars to invest getting windows to be as good as Linux

Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Ben Hartshorne
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 12:24:36PM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: Unfortunately, as is usually the case with interoperability problems, there's no clear place to go first: mutt doesn't want to change because it's using the open standard correctly and m$ doesn't want to change because it's using

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 03:28:42PM -0700, Ben Hartshorne wrote: And he does have a point. The anti-M$ sentiment has led to a number of comments on this list that, were I thinking of transitioning to Linux, would deter me from doing so because self-righteousness is rarely very friendly. I

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Hall Stevenson
And he does have a point. The anti-M$ sentiment has led to a number of comments on this list that, were I thinking of transitioning to Linux, would deter me from doing so because self-righteousness is rarely very friendly. I couldn't agree more. Despite not having used a Microsoft

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread John Hasler
Hall writes: Finally, what I'm really interested in is the adamant MS-bashers and when they've last used Windows. If they're s against it, I assume they either never have or it's been 5+ years. It's been more than five years since I have used any Microsoft product. While not much of an

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Hall Stevenson
... I do find discussions of Microsoft and its products boring and usually off-topic Agreed. I guess I'm being a hypocrite though ;-) Why shouldn't people with Microsoft-specific problems be told to ask Microsoft for help? This is kinda my point. If you haven't used an MS product in 'x'

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Kent West
Hall Stevenson wrote: Finally, what I'm really interested in is the adamant MS-bashers and when they've last used Windows. If they're s against it, I assume they either never have or it's been 5+ years. Regards Hall I'm a support tech at a university, keeping the PCs and Macs running

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread dman
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 09:59:14PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: ... | Finally, what I'm really interested in is the adamant MS-bashers and | when they've last used Windows. If they're s against it, I | assume they either never have or it's been 5+ years. Sorry to disappoint you Hall, but I

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Andrew Perrin
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Kent West wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: Finally, what I'm really interested in is the adamant MS-bashers and when they've last used Windows. If they're s against it, I assume they either never have or it's been 5+ years. Regards Hall I'm a

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread John Hasler
Hall Stevenson writes: This is kinda my point. If you haven't used an MS product in 'x' number of years, how do you know it's the fault of the MS program ?? I thought you were implying that the MS bashers were hypocrites who did use MS daily rather than people like me who haven't used it in

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Erik Steffl
Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 03:28:42PM -0700, Ben Hartshorne wrote: And he does have a point. The anti-M$ sentiment has led to a number of comments on this list that, were I thinking of transitioning to Linux, would deter me from doing so because self-righteousness is

Re: Working with standards (was Re: Oops, forgot...)

2001-10-10 Thread Erik Steffl
Hall Stevenson wrote: ... This is kinda my point. If you haven't used an MS product in 'x' number of years, how do you know it's the fault of the MS program ?? Simply 'cause MS makes it ?? Because others who also haven't used that's actually a pretty good heuristics. (I use windows