Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-04-12 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/04/07 15:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] I know that I can get debian to do it, but the more hoops I have to jump through to do it, the more its like a roll-your-own linux that happens to use apt. At some point, it may make more sense

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-04-12 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 02:34:36PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/07 15:17, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] I know that I can get debian to do it, but the more hoops I have to jump through to do it, the more its like a roll-your-own linux that happens to use apt. At some point, it

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-04-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-04-04 16:17:46, schrieb Douglas Allan Tutty: Thanks Michelle, The other problem is that, for example, aptitude takes up a whole pile of memory reading in the packages file (I think apt does too if I just use apt-get, since it has to resolve dependancies). Under sarge, it takes a

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-04-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Douglas, Am 2007-03-20 14:00:22, schrieb Douglas Allan Tutty: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-04-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-03-20 16:04:44, schrieb Douglas Allan Tutty: Two disks: 840 MB and 1.2 MB. On a shelf, I have a 171 MB with Woody on it as a rescue (the 486 version of a Live CD :) ) Do you have tried to gzip your current installation? How big is it? It seems you have not very much installed...

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-04-04 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 08:22:37PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-03-20 14:00:22, schrieb Douglas Allan Tutty: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:48:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: True enough. You can minimize the effort, though, (if you already haven't) by only using main. Done. Main is still HUGE. What *does* happen when you run *apt-get* on that box?

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-22 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:05:48 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:48:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: True enough. You can minimize the effort, though, (if you already haven't) by only using main. Done.

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 02:05:48AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:48:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: True enough. You can minimize the effort, though, (if you already haven't) by only using main. Done. Main is

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-21 Thread Bob
swm wrote: On Tuesday 20 March 2007 11:00, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-21 Thread Michael Pobega
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 03:15:09PM +0800, Bob wrote: What do people use for mirroring Linux partitions, tar probably but is there a better tool? Why is it better? I've heard of the dd command being used, but I'm not really too knowledgable in that field. But if someone really needs to do

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-21 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 03:15:09PM +0800, Bob wrote: [...] What do people use for mirroring Linux partitions, tar probably but is there a better tool? to truly mirror the partition you need dd or you could cobble together a raid 1 setup and then when its done syncing pull it out (probably

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-21 Thread Bob McGowan
Michael Pobega wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 03:15:09PM +0800, Bob wrote: What do people use for mirroring Linux partitions, tar probably but is there a better tool? Why is it better? I've heard of the dd command being used, but I'm not really too knowledgable in that field. But if someone

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-21 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:14:22 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I never could run Sarge's installer re memory so went with Woody and upgraded. I can try that with Etch but want to have a fall-back position in case the attempt hoses. I'm on very slow dialup so getting

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-21 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:20:40 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:48:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: True enough. You can minimize the effort, though, (if you already haven't) by only using main. Done. Main is still HUGE. What *does* happen

distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will continue to be supported for a while but I may as well start planning. I

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 14:00 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will continue to

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 13:00, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:29:52PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 14:00 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:14:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Use apt-get instead. It uses less resources. (I think.) It still has to parse the packages file. Also, you might try making a minimal CD repository that you can then bring over to the 486. But then, is there any pressing

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:17:10PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread didier gaumet
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:00:22 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [...] I want a distribution with security support since if I didn't want that I could just stick with Woody. DamnSmallLinux needs to boot from a CD. there are bootfloppies for DSL The 486 will only boot from floppy or hard

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 15:58 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:29:52PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 14:00 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:16:03PM +, didier gaumet wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:00:22 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I want a distribution with security support since if I didn't want that I could just stick with Woody. DamnSmallLinux needs to boot from a CD. there are

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:04:44PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:17:10PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC,

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:42:20PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:04:44PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:17:10PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: The box has no user data on it (its all on the big box). Where do I put the mirror and how do I

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread swm
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 11:00, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will continue to be

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 15:01, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:14:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Use apt-get instead. It uses less resources. (I think.) It still has to parse the packages file. True enough. You can minimize the

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread didier gaumet
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:40:16 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [...] Do you know how security updates happen for the BSDs? I'm trying to track that down now. For historical BSDs: http://www.netbsd.org/Security/ http://www.freebsd.org/security/ http://www.openbsd.org/security.html -- To

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:48:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: True enough. You can minimize the effort, though, (if you already haven't) by only using main. Done. Main is still HUGE. What *does* happen when you run *apt-get* on that box? Don't know. Don't want to mess up aptitude. Once