Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:00 (UTC-0400): Stefan Monnier composed on 2021-03-09 17:46 (UTC-0500): ... >> I have a 1GB laptop here >> (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has been painful for many >>

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

Felix Miata wrote: > KDE is one of the oldest DEs, thus has acquired more features. They need > not be used all at once, so need not generate the giant monolith feeling > many would have you believe. It need not use any more RAM than XFCE: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvJOXypAbk There is a

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:22 (UTC-0400): >> My 2 cents worth, Deb10 with either Mate or xfce desktop. KDE/plasma is > great, but I find it slow to load on i7 with 8G ram and add. It has more > config options, but I've gotten over that. Oh, I don't boot often, but I've > grown

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

cal mailing list, please include the relevant engineering identifiers when referring to hardware or software items -- e.g. alphanumeric codes variously named "model number", "part number", "assembly number", "serial number", "architecture", &quo

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Modern software needs a modern OS and modern hardware. > > Microsoft has much more resources than Debian team, so they can provide support much longer than Debian. > This is because of money Microsoft gets for their products. But Debian is free. Maintainers are volunteers. They simply do

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

m the box with a switch does not help, but it does work on a separate LAN. The ethernet hardware is identified as PCI, Intel 82574L. There are two ports. So the situation is not exactly ideal, but i can live with it. And thanks for your help and ideas! :) :) Look at: https://support.apple.co

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

Modern software needs a modern OS and modern hardware. Microsoft has much more resources than Debian team, so they can provide support much longer than Debian. This is because of money Microsoft gets for their products. But Debian is free. Maintainers are volunteers. They simply do not have enoug

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

>>>> What model mac? > > >>> It's a mac pro. > > >> When posting on a technical mailing list, please include the relevant > >> engineering identifiers when referring to hardware or software items -- > >> e.g. alphanumeric codes variously named &

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. You are correct that 9 is still > getting support, especially security updates. However, older versions > of Debian don't get newer versions of the software. Not all security > fixes can be backported. So there is a slow, imperceptible gap between > older

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

>> I wouldn't know since I use XFCE4 everywhere, but the desktop >> environment only has some impact. When it comes to Firefox, the main >> issue is Firefox itself and the pages you visit. > > I had trouble with Firefox in the past on Windows 7, > I had to change to Chrome then. Surprisingly, >

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:44:44 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > I recommend against Debian 9, as it is getting old. I generally > > recommend keeping to the current Debian release for security > > reasons. > > Hmm, I thought that Debian 9 received enough security updates, and it > still have

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Definitely not) Use the Desktop environment like lxde/lxqt: it uses concepts you are already familiar with: Desktop, main menu, icons etc.. I used a Live CD with LXDE on the other PC, it looked fine but it was a bit disappointing compared to Windows 7 Starter. I could not install a firmware

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> How much ram do you have? > If it is 4Gb or less you should probably use i386 instead of the amd64 version of Debian. Yes, I was reading the amd64 version because I was also attempting to install Debian on a 4GB and Intel Core 2 Duo vPro desktop PC, which I thought could run Debian 10 with KDE.

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

IL Ka wrote: > By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged > desktop environments. > >> Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The smallest one > is called CWM (created by OpenBSD). > https://packages.debian.org/buster/cwm > > but it is for these

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged desktop environments. > > Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The smallest one is called CWM (created by OpenBSD). > https://packages.debian.org/buster/cwm > > but it is for these old UNIX gurus who

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> > Thanks for your advice, I think my laptop is from 2013, > but it is Pineview, id est Intel Atom. > How much ram do you have? If it is 4Gb or less you should probably use i386 instead of the amd64 version of Debian. I'd start with Debian 10 and LXDE or LxQt:

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

ant engineering identifiers when referring to hardware or software items -- e.g. alphanumeric codes variously named "model number", "part number", "assembly number", "serial number", "architecture", "revision", etc.. I don't have a good way

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Tell us more about your laptop. Have you tried booting a Debian live CD > on it? Well, my laptop is an Acer Aspire One D255E, it has 1GB of RAM and an Intel Atom Inside N455 with Intel GMA integrated. > I recommend against Debian 9, as it is getting old. I generally > recommend keeping to the

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged desktop environments. > Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The smallest one is called CWM (created by OpenBSD). https://packages.debian.org/buster/cwm but it is for these old UNIX gurus who never leave

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> IMHO: it is better to use the latest Debian even on the old laptop unless your laptop is 15 years old. > > You can try LXDE: https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE > It is very lightweight:) > > "tasksel" (tool that runs when you install Debian) asks you which DE to enable. You can choose LXDE there. > >

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

G'day My 2 cents worth, Deb10 with either Mate or xfce desktop. KDE/plasma is great, but I find it slow to load on i7 with 8G ram and add. It has more config options, but I've gotten over that. Oh, I don't boot often, but I've grown impatient. As I said, my 2 cents worth. -- Keith

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 18:30:15 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know > why the RAM requirements showed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html > are double the size of those displayed here: >

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> G'day > > My 2 cents worth, Deb10 with either Mate or xfce desktop. KDE/plasma is great, but I find it slow to load on i7 with 8G ram and add. It has more config options, but I've gotten over that. Oh, I don't boot often, but I've grown impatient. > > As I said, my 2 cents worth. Wow, it looks

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> > Excuse my ignorance, I have a bit old laptop and I don't know if it would > be better > to have Debian 9 so I can, possibly, load KDE on it, or instead Debian 10 > but having to limit myself to lightweight applications only. > IMHO: it is better to use the latest Debian even on the old laptop

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

t it > >>> is a mac, so not so clear how to get a network interface card into it. > >> > >> > >> What model mac? > >> > > > > It's a mac pro. > > > Marketing terms are for separating the rubes from their dollars: > > "it

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Debian testing. I see that you use the latest version of the system, maybe it could have some impact on performance. > I wouldn't know since I use XFCE4 everywhere, but the desktop > environment only has some impact. When it comes to Firefox, the main > issue is Firefox itself and the pages

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 17:46:16 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have a 1GB laptop here > (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has been painful for many > years already. There is a bug in the 686 version of vivaldi, or I would recommend it to you. The amd64 version is great for low memory

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

>> I have a 1GB laptop here (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has >> been painful for many years already. > May I ask, what version of Debian do you use? Debian testing. > I have been reading throughout the Web that Xfce4 is not so > lightweight as it was before. Apparently, its performance

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> I have a 1GB laptop here > (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has been painful for many > years already. May I ask, what version of Debian do you use? I have been reading throughout the Web that Xfce4 is not so lightweight as it was before. Apparently, its performance is comparable to that

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know > why the RAM requirements showed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html > are double the size of those displayed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s04.html.en I think it just reflects the

Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

Hello. I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know why the RAM requirements showed here: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html are double the size of those displayed here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s04.html.en Excuse my ignorance, I have a

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tue 09 Mar 2021 at 11:59:35 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 09 March 2021 08:12:47 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > > I realise that, but if your service were to

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 09:54:22, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > There's something curious about that, especially considering that the > PRO version (4350GE) is *not* OEM only!? I don't think that's the case. > It's almost like they confused the PRO with the

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tuesday 09 March 2021 08:12:47 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > > then before you complained, you'd want

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Ma, 09 mar 21, 09:54:22, Dan Ritter wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > > > > The motherboard needs support for it as well, e.g. I'm eying the ASRock > > B550M

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's not your > modem at fault. Would you expect your spare modem to work, because it > has a different MAC from what's expected by the ISP's end of the line. You should be

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > > The motherboard needs support for it as well, e.g. I'm eying the ASRock > B550M Steel Legend for a fan-less build (unfortunately the Ryzen

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 08:12:47 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > > then before you complained, you'd want

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's not your > > modem at fault. Would you expect your

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Du, 07 mar 21, 16:36:34, Dan Hitt wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote: > > > > >> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > >> incompatible with one of my computers. > >> > > hmm, I never heard about such things) > > Is your electrical grounding

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > >> stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the > >> latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers > >> with ECC

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 21:16 +0100, Linux-Fan wrote: > Tixy writes: > > > On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 05:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > > > > > > > > > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 21:37:37 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >> Having != connected. The extras are spares. :) > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's

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own > >> modem and router can produce an ISP savings that will pay for a modem > >> and/or > >> router in as little as 6-12 months by buying quality "refurbs". I have > >> multiples > >> of both, so that an ISP has little opportunity to fa

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/8/21 5:28 AM, songbird wrote: aren't there gizmos that measure the watts being drawn by clipping them around the plug that goes into the wall? AC and DC voltage and current can be measured with general-purpose electronic test equipment and custom jigs/ cables:

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/8/21 11:39 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: David Christensen wrote: I built homebrew desktops using Antec tower cases and Intel desktop boards for many years. The last was based on a Sonata chassis with an included 500 W PSU. It's very easy to add/ remove drives and has low noise features -- the

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ist, please include the relevant > engineering identifiers when referring to hardware or software items -- > e.g. alphanumeric codes variously named "model number", "part number", > "assembly number", "serial number", "architecture&q

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mac" "It's a mac pro" When posting on a technical mailing list, please include the relevant engineering identifiers when referring to hardware or software items -- e.g. alphanumeric codes variously named "model number", "part number", "assembly number

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Tixy writes: On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 05:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > > > > > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU > > > > I used an online calculator > >

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Christensen wrote: > I built homebrew desktops using Antec tower cases and Intel desktop boards > for many years. The last was based on a Sonata chassis with an included 500 > W PSU. It's very easy to add/ remove drives and has low noise features -- > the four internal 3.5" drive bays

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 05:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > > > > > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU > > > > I

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Felix Miata writes: > Also ip a. Someday you may no longer have arp: > Well, it's been about a decade since that was written but not much has changed. One issue is, ifconfig shows only one

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 5:06 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/07/2021 12:48 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > >[snip] > > I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that > > I'm here, it's "sort of" grown on me. > > > > What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's

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Hi, > On 3/7/21 7:24 PM, IL Ka wrote: >> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is >> electrically incompatible with one of my computers. >> >> hmm, I never heard about such things) I have. [] >> You can connect your modem-router to the ethernet switch, and connect

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/8/21 5:28 AM, songbird wrote: The Wanderer wrote: ... Finding actual power consumption of a motherboard is apparently brutal.= Specs in the manuals to mine say nothing about power consumption. DDG & Google i= n 20+ minutes weren't helpful either. I've encountered the exact same

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The Wanderer wrote: ... >> Finding actual power consumption of a motherboard is apparently brutal.= > Specs in >> the manuals to mine say nothing about power consumption. DDG & Google i= > n 20+ >> minutes weren't helpful either. > > I've encountered the exact same problem... aren't there

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer wrote: > Any power-related advice for SSDs? > > In the system I'm planning to build, I'm expecting to have something > along the lines of two M.2 SSDs (RAID-1), presumably in the NVMe 2280 > form factor you specify, and eight or more SATA SSDs in a 2.5" form > factor (RAID-6), along

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

ld negotiate speed, but sometimes they fail to do so. Setting speed explicitly is worth trying in this case, but it could be that 1Gb switch simply doesn't support 10Mb or this support is buggy, because the vendor didn't bother with testing a brand new switch against 20 years old technology. For old h

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer writes: On 2021-03-07 at 21:35, Linux-Fan wrote: > Btw. wrt. the thread's main topic: I saw many disks being discussed. That was in a separate message, so a separate reply would have been appropriate (to preserve threading by sub-topic), but yes. Yes, sorry for that. I

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > >> Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU > > I used an online calculator > https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 21:35, Linux-Fan wrote: > Btw. wrt. the thread's main topic: I saw many disks being discussed. That was in a separate message, so a separate reply would have been appropriate (to preserve threading by sub-topic), but yes. > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Any power-related advice for

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 21:35, Linux-Fan wrote: > Btw. wrt. the thread's main topic: I saw many disks being discussed. That was in a separate message, so a separate reply would have been appropriate (to preserve threading by sub-topic), but yes. > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Any power-related advice for

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 7:24 PM, IL Ka wrote: The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically incompatible with one of my computers. hmm, I never heard about such things) Is your electrical grounding configured correctly? In my country some old apartments do not have

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU I used an online calculator https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator on this system with i3-7100T (TDP 35W) supports up

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On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen < > dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > >>> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

odem and/or >> router in as little as 6-12 months by buying quality "refurbs". I have >> multiples >> of both, so that an ISP has little opportunity to fault my hardware when I >> have a >> service complaint. > I've never has two working modems (cable) on si

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David Wright writes: On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 19:33:42 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500): > > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: [...] > > Isn't progress fun? > > Same kind as when Intel stopped providing PS/2 ports on its

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;refurbs". I have > multiples > of both, so that an ISP has little opportunity to fault my hardware when I > have a > service complaint. I've never has two working modems (cable) on site at the same time. How do ISPs react to having two different MAC-addressed devices conn

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On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 19:33:42 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500): > > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: > > >> I can see how GPT labels would be useful for system drives, but I use > >> BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common

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roduce an ISP savings that will pay for a modem and/or router in as little as 6-12 months by buying quality "refurbs". I have multiples of both, so that an ISP has little opportunity to fault my hardware when I have a service complaint. My iMac has MacOS and Linux X2. Changing the HD

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> > > Also ip a. Someday you may no longer have arp: > < > https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ > > > Yes, "$ ip neighbor" (or "ip n" for short) is the correct syntax on modern Linux. Thanks.

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Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 17:01 (UTC-0800): > IL Ka wrote: >>> [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is >>> there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac >>> addr of my modem-router is? >> $ ping [your_rounter_ip] >> $ arp -a >>

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or otherwise misbehaves when

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 18:00 (UTC-0500): > On 2021-03-07 at 17:48, Felix Miata wrote: >> Don't settle for a motherboard that lacks any M.2 ports that support >> NVME 2280 form factor storage. Prefer more than one on any board >> bigger than ITX. I've see reports of <3 second cold

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:58 PM IL Ka wrote: > >> >> [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is >> there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac >> addr of my modem-router is? >> > $ ping [your_rounter_ip] > $ arp -a > > you should see a

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> > > > [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is > there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac > addr of my modem-router is? > $ ping [your_rounter_ip] $ arp -a you should see a list of all your ethernet neighbours along with their ip

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:46 PM IL Ka wrote: > A random thought: > Check mac addresses, make sure they aren't the same. > Thanks for the thought. That is a reasonable sanity check. But as it happens, all the mac addrs on all these boxes are different --- i've accumulated a list of them due to

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A random thought: Check mac addresses, make sure they aren't the same. On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:36 AM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote: > >> >>> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically >>> incompatible with one of my computers.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote: > > > >> On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: > >> > >>> I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and > >>> it is fast enough for me. But if i

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote: > >> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically >> incompatible with one of my computers. >> > hmm, I never heard about such things) > Is your electrical grounding configured correctly? > > In my country some old apartments

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500): > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: >> I can see how GPT labels would be useful for system drives, but I use >> BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common denominator and I can move >> system drives between machines of varying

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:16 PM Felix Miata wrote: > Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:02 (UTC-0800): > > > The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > > incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or > otherwise > > misbehaves when one of its

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 4:16 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: ... I use BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common denominator and I can move system drives between machines of varying age. That'll probably stop working past a certain point, at least for some

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a little less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if

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> > > The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > incompatible with one of my computers. > hmm, I never heard about such things) Is your electrical grounding configured correctly? In my country some old apartments do not have third (ground) wire. I've seen a lot of

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 12:59 PM, deloptes wrote: >> IMO UEFI makes sense when you have notebook with secureboot and probably >> dual boot with windows. >> For the home server or PC with Linux only ... IMO it is a waste. > > I can see how GPT labels would be

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:02 (UTC-0800): > The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or otherwise > misbehaves when one of its ethernet ports is on a network which also has > the modem-router.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 12:59 PM, deloptes wrote: David Christensen wrote: UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old.  That is okay for a server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for a desktop. This implies UEFI

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > > I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and > > it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a > little > > less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if it is not too costly and

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 17:48, Felix Miata wrote: > Don't settle for a motherboard that lacks any M.2 ports that support > NVME 2280 form factor storage. Prefer more than one on any board > bigger than ITX. I've see reports of <3 second cold boot to > multi-user times using NVME. Best I've seen here is

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

songbird composed on 2021-03-07 13:06 (UTC-0500): > apparently Gigabyte has/had some strange ideas about UEFI. No such here. Gigabyte made the first motherboard I ever acquired with UEFI that I used with UEFI, so

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

rn server hardware goes UEFI only, so does modern linux OS, but it would be interesting to know the technical background behind.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 16:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 04:06:07PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote: >>> what has the graphic card to do with UEFI? >> >> If you're not using an add-in graphics card, but are relying on >> integrated

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 04:06:07PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote: > > > David Christensen wrote: > > > >> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so > >> a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay > >> for a

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > >> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so >> a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay >> for a server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for >> a desktop.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Christensen wrote: > UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so a > BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old.  That is okay for a > server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for a desktop. > This implies UEFI firmware. what has the graphic

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 11:00 AM, ghe2001 wrote: All of my current boxes are pretty old, and they all have vanilla BIOSes.  I have a Dell laptop that came with a UEFI BIOS, and it was no fun at all getting it to run Debian -- it may still be misconfigured for all I know. If you want to start a new thread,

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 11:03 AM, Celejar wrote: There are, however, disadvantages as well (besides the fact that anything used involves some risk): these types of machines can have proprietary and non-standard aspects. E.g., I wasted a great deal of time (and some money) during deployment of my Z440 when I

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 00:48:04 -0800 David Christensen wrote: > On 3/6/21 9:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > >> I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > >> figure out what to do. ...

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a little less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if it is not too costly and doesn't interfere with other goals. :) Will the new computer connect

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