On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 08:24, Jonathan Siegle wrote:
> This is working for me on Debian Buster:
> http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/compfac/faq/davmail.html
Thank you for this.
I have spent the past 2 days on this and have finally got davmail
working for me. Some issues with versions of fire
On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 21:09, deloptes wrote:
> The admin says "F**k off" :D
Yep, that's pretty much what's happened (so far... I'm pushing).
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Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.6 on Debian bullseye/sid
On Monday, May 03, 2021 10:03:39 AM Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 11:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all)
> > traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the
> > internet anyway ;)
>
> When I went to o
> I'm also interested to know how good a service you actually get within
> buildings, where most of us are most of the time. I see that wireless
> repeaters are recommended according to a home's floor area. Are they
> repeating 30GHz round the house, or conventional 2/5GHz? If the
> latter, there's
On Mon 03 May 2021 at 15:47:07 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> > when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
> >
> > And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
> > Whereas 1TB per month on
On Mon, 3 May 2021 21:03:51 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Mon 03 May 2021 at 15:47:07 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> > > It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> > > when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
> > >
> > > And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable
On Mon 03 May 2021 at 15:47:07 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> > when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
> >
> > And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
> > Whereas 1TB per month on a
> It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
>
> And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
> Whereas 1TB per month on a fixed line is quite normal.
These arguments seem stuck in the present
On Mon 03 May 2021 at 18:32:13 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 12:24:48PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.
> >
> > At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
> > (which would seem only natural
>> > There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.
>> At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
>> (which would seem only natural in the world of TVs, which historically
>> got their programs over the air) :-(
> Cars do that already. Why shouldn't TVs? Or pet collars?
On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 12:24:48PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.
>
> At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
> (which would seem only natural in the world of TVs, which historically
> got their programs over the air)
> There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.
At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
(which would seem only natural in the world of TVs, which historically
got their programs over the air) :-(
Stefan
David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 03 May 2021 at 11:23:51 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Sb, 01 mai 21, 08:31:04, Joe wrote:
> > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> > > Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > >
> > > > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > > > inevitably r
On Mon 03 May 2021 at 11:23:51 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 01 mai 21, 08:31:04, Joe wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> > Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >
> > > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > > inevitably replace it and have no choice about
On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 11:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all)
> traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the
> internet anyway ;)
When I went to order a 60" monitor for a meeting room at work, I found
that the eq
On Sb, 01 mai 21, 08:31:04, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart'
> > > TV,
> >
> > There are still normal TVs aroun
On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 01:46:26AM +0200, Ángel wrote:
> On 2021-05-01 at 09:28 +0200, deloptes wrote:
> > Some state their brainwaves are being influenced by whatever (video,
> > tv, wireless) It could be true, but there is no evidence and the
> > probability of this being true is very low.
>
> L
On 2021-05-01 at 09:28 +0200, deloptes wrote:
> Some state their brainwaves are being influenced by whatever (video,
> tv, wireless) It could be true, but there is no evidence and the
> probability of this being true is very low.
Looks like the goal of every advertisement to me.
On Sat, 01 May 2021 12:00:30 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > There is nothing 'religious' about assuming that many private
> > businesses will take every opportunity to make money from you in
> > ways that you would not permit if you were given the choice. What
> > is the purpose of 'fr
Joe wrote:
> There is nothing 'religious' about assuming that many private businesses
> will take every opportunity to make money from you in ways that you
> would not permit if you were given the choice. What is the purpose of
> 'free' social media, after all? What about the written guarantee car
On 01-05-2021 18:19, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 01 May 2021 09:28:04 +0200
> deloptes wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>
>> > I know someone who started to be shown online adverts that could
>> > only have been based on a sound-wave conversation within the
>> > hearing of his smartphone. I don't know about othe
On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 10:04:17AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 29 apr 21, 14:21:22, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> > had a comparable control over its guts as I have of my laptop, take
> > or give. Those options are, al
On Sat, 01 May 2021 09:28:04 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > I know someone who started to be shown online adverts that could
> > only have been based on a sound-wave conversation within the
> > hearing of his smartphone. I don't know about other similar claims,
> > but I trust his.
> >
On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 08:31:04AM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart'
> > > TV,
> >
> > There are still no
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart'
> > TV,
>
> There are still normal TVs around.
>
Yes, but not many. We would want another 32" TV,
Joe wrote:
> I know someone who started to be shown online adverts that could only
> have been based on a sound-wave conversation within the hearing of his
> smartphone. I don't know about other similar claims, but I trust his.
>
> Are you saying that you don't believe anyone could be that naught
On Jo, 29 apr 21, 14:21:22, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> had a comparable control over its guts as I have of my laptop, take
> or give. Those options are, alas, a tad to pricey for my current
> income.
The PinePhone is interesting
> viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart' TV,
There are still normal TVs around.
Stefan
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:48:07 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Fri 30 Apr 2021 at 09:04:03 +0100, Joe wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > We are aware that smartphones and the hypothetical 'smart' TV will
> > listen to conversations occurring in their vicinities, so we go
> > somewhere else for any private conversati
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> No insult tomas - it's reality. One small tree can not stand the
>> avalanche.
>
> It is -- you said "nobody is doing anything". But there are folks
> doing something. Declaring them non-existent is perhaps the worst
> insult possible.
>
> Whether they succeed (or rath
On Fri 30 Apr 2021 at 09:04:03 +0100, Joe wrote:
[...]
> We are aware that smartphones and the hypothetical 'smart' TV will
> listen to conversations occurring in their vicinities, so we go
> somewhere else for any private conversation.
Basing one's behaviour on the hypothetical, imagined or pre
Kushal Kumaran writes:
On Thu, Apr 29 2021 at 06:57:02 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> Michael Grant writes:
>
>> I saw in the last 6 months a daemon that let you get oauth tokens on
>> linux and then it refereshed the token indefinitely until told to
>> stop. Essentially making the token available on
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 03:24:52PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > 1. it is an insult towards those actually doing something Like
> > (random example) this electronic music composer [1] and professor
> > (chosen at random among my acquaintances) who makes a point
> > of usin
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 14:03:37 +0100
Darac Marjal wrote:
>
> On 29/04/2021 13:11, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> > Dystopian is right. Our organization, using O365, has moved to
> > "multi-factor authentication" without consultation and I can no longer
> > use gnus, for instance. Absolutely horrible.
>
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 1. it is an insult towards those actually doing something Like
> (random example) this electronic music composer [1] and professor
> (chosen at random among my acquaintances) who makes a point
> of using free software and introduces his audience, music
> students to it
>
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:35:03 +0200
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 09:16:08AM +0100, Joe wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Lets admit it ... the goal is to shovel the money to (mostly) US
> > > corporations that do not pay any taxes anywhere, to educate the
> > > children to be slaves of the corporatio
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 09:16:08AM +0100, Joe wrote:
[...]
> > Lets admit it ... the goal is to shovel the money to (mostly) US
> > corporations that do not pay any taxes anywhere, to educate the
> > children to be slaves of the corporations and to consume as much as
> > possible.
> >
> >
>
>
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 02:23:25 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > 'No, no,' said the academics, 'the whole world uses Windows 3 so we
> > have to teach that.'
>
> ... because they were payed/bribed/lobbied or just fools
>
> BTW it is still the same and it became even worse and no one is
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:42:17 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Thu 29 Apr 2021 at 14:21:22 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> > had a comparable control over its guts as I have of my laptop, take
> > or give. Those options ar
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 02:23:25AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > 'No, no,' said the academics, 'the whole world uses Windows 3 so we
> > have to teach that.'
>
> ... because they were payed/bribed/lobbied or just fools
>
> BTW it is still the same and it became even worse and no one
On Thu, Apr 29 2021 at 06:57:02 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> Michael Grant writes:
>
>> I saw in the last 6 months a daemon that let you get oauth tokens on
>> linux and then it refereshed the token indefinitely until told to
>> stop. Essentially making the token available on linux so you could
>> use
Joe wrote:
> 'No, no,' said the academics, 'the whole world uses Windows 3 so we
> have to teach that.'
... because they were payed/bribed/lobbied or just fools
BTW it is still the same and it became even worse and no one is doing
anything.
Some 15y ago there were ideas to use open source in the
On Thu 29 Apr 2021 at 21:48:29 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 08:42:17PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 29 Apr 2021 at 14:21:22 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> > > had a comparabl
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 08:42:17PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 29 Apr 2021 at 14:21:22 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> > had a comparable control over its guts as I have of my laptop, take
> > or give. Those optio
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 08:35:40PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:45:58 +0200
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[academia]
> > They are supposed to lead the way to the Light :)
> >
> > It's their job. Or something.
> >
>
> Sadly, no. It's not something new: back in the early 90s, Acorn was
On Thu 29 Apr 2021 at 14:21:22 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> had a comparable control over its guts as I have of my laptop, take
> or give. Those options are, alas, a tad to pricey for my current
> income.
I inagine you
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:45:58 +0200
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 04:39:06PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> > On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 16:43, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Judging by your mail address, you are in academia. This is doubly
> > > sad.
> >
> > My experience is
Darac Marjal wrote:
> Ask your administrator to enable "Per Application Passwords" -
The admin says "F**k off" :D
Michael Grant writes:
I saw in the last 6 months a daemon that let you get oauth tokens on
linux and then it refereshed the token indefinitely until told to
stop. Essentially making the token available on linux so you could
use it in another program that requied a password, for example
fetchmai
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 04:39:06PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 16:43, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Judging by your mail address, you are in academia. This is doubly sad.
>
> My experience is that academic institutions are no different than any
> other organization in th
On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 16:43, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Judging by your mail address, you are in academia. This is doubly sad.
My experience is that academic institutions are no different than any
other organization in these regards. For better or for worse.
--
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 02:14:12PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 09:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > I'm sure there are people within that department who would outlaw all
> > non-Windows desktops, if they could, because they don't control
> > them.
>
> I've been fighting t
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 09:03:25AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 01:27:07PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> > And to think that email was once a simple yet effective tool. It's been
> > hijacked.
>
> Spammers took control of it years ago. It's been dying off, slowly.
I don'
I saw in the last 6 months a daemon that let you get oauth tokens on
linux and then it refereshed the token indefinitely until told to
stop. Essentially making the token available on linux so you could
use it in another program that requied a password, for example
fetchmail or getmail.
I've tried
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 01:53:48PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 14:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 01:27:07PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> >> 2. txt message to your phone (so need not be "smart")
> >
> > You know those can be (and have been) hi-ja
On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 15:16, Erwan David wrote:
> You can define "application password" in O365 for this case (at least
> I can at work, may depends on the settings of your tenant)
Yes, thank you. Somebody else has also pointed out this option. I will
be looking into it as it seems like it
On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 14:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 01:27:07PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
>> 2. txt message to your phone (so need not be "smart")
>
> You know those can be (and have been) hi-jacked, don't you?
Yeah. :-(
What really gets me is the hypocrisy of the
On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 14:03, Darac Marjal wrote:
> Ask your administrator to enable "Per Application Passwords" -
Thank you. I've looked at this and it looks feasible (if they enable
this which is unfortunately not very likely but still worth asking).
--
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & o
Le 29/04/2021 à 14:11, Eric S Fraga a écrit :
Dystopian is right. Our organization, using O365, has moved to
"multi-factor authentication" without consultation and I can no longer
use gnus, for instance. Absolutely horrible.
You can define "application password" in O365 for this case (at lea
On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 09:03, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> I'm sure there are people within that department who would outlaw all
> non-Windows desktops, if they could, because they don't control
> them.
I've been fighting this for 25+ years at my institution, using Linux
throughout. They've give
On 29/04/2021 13:11, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> Dystopian is right. Our organization, using O365, has moved to
> "multi-factor authentication" without consultation and I can no longer
> use gnus, for instance. Absolutely horrible.
Ask your administrator to enable "Per Application Passwords" -
https:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 01:27:07PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> And to think that email was once a simple yet effective tool. It's been
> hijacked.
Spammers took control of it years ago. It's been dying off, slowly.
While we're swapping anecdotes, I'll give what limited insight I have
into my o
On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 14:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> That means you've to carry a funny dongle with you all the time?
> Or is the "second factor" that oh-so-secure "smart" phone?
Three choices for second factor:
1. use MS's own app for authentication. Yeah, right.
2. txt message to your
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 08:24:36AM -0400, Jonathan Siegle wrote:
[...]
> This is working for me on Debian Buster:
> http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/compfac/faq/davmail.html
Heroes!
:-)
Thanks for the link, cheers
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On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 01:27:07PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 14:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > That means you've to carry a funny dongle with you all the time?
> > Or is the "second factor" that oh-so-secure "smart" phone?
>
> Three choices for second factor:
>
> 1
On 2021-04-28 at 20:20, Gregor Zattler wrote:
Which means that I have to authenticate via a web form with
the company's login server. MS does not know the passwords
instead hashes are exchanged between the servers. Some
clients (Outlook) are able to cache successful
authentication for days but
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 01:11:08PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> Dystopian is right. Our organization, using O365, has moved to
> "multi-factor authentication" without consultation and I can no longer
> use gnus, for instance. Absolutely horrible.
That means you've to carry a funny dongle with yo
Dystopian is right. Our organization, using O365, has moved to
"multi-factor authentication" without consultation and I can no longer
use gnus, for instance. Absolutely horrible.
--
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.5 on Debian bullseye/sid
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 09:04:35AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> Kushal Kumaran wrote:
>
> > I think IMAP should work regardless. My workplace uses federated
> > authentication, and davmail works fine for me.
>
> I think it depends how it is setup and what policy applies. Especially this
> 3D authent
Kushal Kumaran wrote:
> I think IMAP should work regardless. My workplace uses federated
> authentication, and davmail works fine for me.
I think it depends how it is setup and what policy applies. Especially this
3D authentication is not likely to be implemented in the opensource
software and n
On Wed, Apr 28 2021 at 08:20:37 PM, Gregor Zattler wrote:
> Dear debian users, the company which employs me uses MS 365
> (former Office 365) in a federated setup where users are
> taken from MS to the companys login server for
> authentication.
>
> Which means that I have to authenticate via a we
Dear debian users, the company which employs me uses MS 365
(former Office 365) in a federated setup where users are
taken from MS to the companys login server for
authentication.
Which means that I have to authenticate via a web form with
the company's login server. MS does not know the password
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