Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-31 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:32:51PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 01:38:19PM -0400, Jason Healy wrote: Are there any drawbacks to DENY? Is there a general consensus on this subject? In general, DENY is good because it does just what your

Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-31 Thread Robert Waldner
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:14:20 PDT, Karsten M. Self writes: On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 01:38:19PM -0400, Jason Healy wrote: Are there any drawbacks to DENY? Is there a general consensus on this subject? The benefits are twofold: - For a two-stage scan, DENY gives the appearance of an

Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-26 Thread Robert Waldner
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:12:22 PDT, Alvin Oga writes: Moral of that story is to make sure that you either run an ident server, or set it to REJECT. Well, I wouldn´t (and don´t) run identd, since I have no intention of revealing the name of the user running a particular service (in if one

ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-25 Thread Matthew Thompson
Greetings, all, Just looking for some opinions/feedback from y'all. I'm responsible for a few servers that are connected to the internet. They are all running 2.2.19 kernels with ipchains. Ports are open for apache, ftp, smtp, ssh and imap, but all others are closed with a policy of REJECT. I

Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-25 Thread Jason Healy
At 996072286s since epoch (07/25/01 12:44:46 -0400 UTC), Matthew Thompson wrote: I was talking with a friend of mine who said it's better to have a policy of DENY since that doesn't return any information and if someone is trying to attack the machine on a closed port, it will take much longer

Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-25 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 01:38:19PM -0400, Jason Healy wrote: Are there any drawbacks to DENY? Is there a general consensus on this subject? In general, DENY is good because it does just what your friend says. This also makes things like portscans more difficult, as they take longer to

Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-25 Thread Jason Healy
At 996089571s since epoch (07/25/01 14:32:51 -0400 UTC), Noah Meyerhans wrote: There's definitely no consensus on this; it's largely a matter of personal taste. I definitely agree there. I don't see how making portscans take longer equates to making them more difficult to perform, as you

Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-25 Thread Robert Waldner
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:38:19 EDT, Jason Healy writes: DENY vs. REJECT The other problem is that if you DENY certain oft-used services, you can cause problems. For example, if you DENY on the ident service port, machines trying to connect to you will timeout waiting for ident info. Some mail

Re: ipchains rules: REJECT vs. DENY

2001-07-25 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya Moral of that story is to make sure that you either run an ident server, or set it to REJECT. Well, I wouldn´t (and don´t) run identd, since I have no intention of revealing the name of the user running a particular service (in if one runs identd... any incoming email address to