Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:45:46PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: yes, currently, I'm almost a one programming language only people, I can accept the existence of other languages, but I think they should be optional, not necessory! On 22.06.09 10:06, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Such an attitude won't get

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
* 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com [2009 Jun 22 04:48 -0500]: 2009/6/22 Sebastian Günther sam...@guenther-roetgen.de: BTW: perl and python are not that hard to learn or read, since their main purpose was to help sysadmins to get their jobs done. And mostly they are not programming gurus... yes,

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Sebastian Günther
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:20 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: thank you for the perfect analysis! so does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or python? thanks I do not know any distribution, that

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Neal Hogan
2009/6/22 明�X shi.min...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明�X (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 03:18]: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明�X
2009/6/22 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2009/6/22 明�X shi.min...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明�X (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 03:18]: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 01:43:02PM +0200, Sebastian Günther wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:20 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: thank you for the perfect analysis! so does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? could you help recommend some distributions that do not

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread thveillon.debian
明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明覺 (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 03:18]: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Neal Hogan
2009/6/22 明�X shi.min...@gmail.com: 2009/6/22 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2009/6/22 明�X shi.min...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明�X (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 03:18]: I want to keep the

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
2009/6/22 Sebastian Günther sam...@guenther-roetgen.de: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:20 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: thank you for the perfect analysis! so does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 22 Jun 2009, 明覺 wrote: I'm a junior programmer, and I plan to use only c/c++ as my programming languages, and I don't like python or perl, I hope all the programs in my own system are written only in c/c++ so that I will be able to modify them someday in the future. thanks If you don't

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:24 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: 明�X wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明�X (shi.min...@gmail.com) [22.06.09 03:18]: I want to keep the programs in my

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明�X
2009/6/22 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2009/6/22 明�X shi.min...@gmail.com: 2009/6/22 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com: 2009/6/22 明�X shi.min...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, thveillon.debianthveillon.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Sebastian Günther wrote: * 明�X

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKIedua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: On Seg, 22 Jun 2009, 明覺 wrote: I'm a junior programmer, and I plan to use only c/c++ as my programming languages, and I don't like python or perl, I hope all the programs in my own system are written only in

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 22 Jun 2009, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKIedua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: If you don't want to learn Perl or Python, then simply don't. You don't have to know the language to run programs written in it, and you don't need to have plans to modify the

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Michael Ekstrand
明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Tzafrir Cohentzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:40:20PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: So does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl? Python? Python is not a dependency. perl-base is. perl is, to a lesser

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKIedua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: On Seg, 22 Jun 2009, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKIedua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: If you don't want to learn Perl or Python, then simply don't. You don't have to know

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Michael Ekstrandmich...@elehack.net wrote: 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Tzafrir Cohentzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:40:20PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: So does it mean debian determines the use of python and

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread John Hasler
明覺 writes: thanks, but before I got the benifit of so many languages, I have been tired of learning them, maybe it cannot be called learning, it's just some parallel memory, for none of them bring new concepts to C/C++. C/C++ is really just improved FORTRAN. Learn Lisp and Haskell and Forth.

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
2009/6/22 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Not yet until you help us writing system commands

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread John Hasler
明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be hard to maintain for me. If learning enough of another language to do

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Not yet until you help us writing system commands in C/C++. I removed the 2 packages,

RE: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Crawford
Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Eventually you might find DirectFB acceptable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectFB Lack of

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 08:54:02AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Let's throw some data into this discussion: LXDE is a rather minimalistic desktop. IceWM is an example of a resonable (not-so-bloated) window manager. $ aptitude why lxde perl ... It looked good but you are missing basic point

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Tony Baldwin
明覺 wrote: 2009/6/22 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Not yet until you help us writing system

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:59:18PM +0800, 明覺 wrote: 2009/6/22 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
* 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com [2009 Jun 22 10:00 -0500]: 2009/6/22 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Jun 22, 2009, at 8:00 AM, 明覺 wrote: ... Looks like a strange idea to me to run a one programming language only system, it would hint that there's a one fits all language and other are just for decoration purpose... (Well, some may agree I guess ;-) ) yes, currently, I'm almost a one

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it will be

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
2009/6/22 Peter Crawford creature...@hotmail.com: Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? Eventually you might find DirectFB acceptable.

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:18 PM, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Napoleon
明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language programmed softwares installed in my system, it

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Nate Bargmannn...@n0nb.us wrote: * 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com [2009 Jun 22 10:00 -0500]: 2009/6/22 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org: Hi, On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
* 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com [2009 Jun 22 21:21 -0500]: But, since you seem intent on trolling this list with my way or the highway type of thinking, I'm posting this in the hopes of not confusing anyone who may read this thread later than for your edification. I believe readers of this

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
2009/6/23 Napoleon rri0...@attglobal.net: 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I have those other language

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
2009/6/23 Hal Vaughan h...@halblog.com: On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:18 PM, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as i like, if I

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:18:34 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think so, every language is a set of hammer, plier and screwdriver in my eyes, we just need one. Having used a lot of those, Swiss Army Knife, kinds of tools I can tell you that they are absolute junk and will prefer a

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread 明覺
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Cybe R. Wizardcybe_r_wiz...@earthlink.net wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:18:34 +0800 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think so, every language is a set of hammer, plier and screwdriver in my eyes, we just need one. Having used a lot of those, Swiss

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Napoleon
明覺 wrote: 2009/6/23 Napoleon rri0...@attglobal.net: And one more thing - you can continue to bitch in this email list, but if you do, it won't be long before people will stop responding to you - for ANY post, even when you're asking for help. I open this thread as a programmer, you can

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:35 PM, 明覺 wrote: 2009/6/23 Napoleon rri0...@attglobal.net: 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM, John Haslerjhas...@debian.org wrote: 明覺 writes: yes, currently it's true, but I hope one day I will be able to take full control of my system, and modify them as

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 17:40 +0800, 明覺 wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tzafrir Cohentzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:17:18AM +0800, 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-22 Thread Richard Hector
On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 12:21 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: On Jun 22, 2009, at 8:00 AM, 明覺 wrote: ... cliche Beggers can't be choosers. /cliche you treat yourself a begger, I'm not, I'm a chooser. Happy begging to you! A rose by any other name is still a rose. You can call yourself

is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-21 Thread 明覺
I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager without perl and

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-21 Thread Neal Hogan
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:17 PM, 明覺shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-21 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from my system, and of cause, I losed my desktop, is it possible to install a desktop manager

Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?

2009-06-21 Thread 明覺
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Kamaraju S Kusumanchiraju.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: 明覺 wrote: I want to keep the programs in my system all written in c/c++, no python or perl or any other programming languages, is it possible to reach it? I removed the 2 packages, python and perl, from

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