Re: making more room in root partition for distribution upgrade

On Fri, 25 May 2018 15:48:07 -0500 David Wright said: > On Fri 25 May 2018 at 11:19:58 (+0200), Miroslav Skoric wrote: >> On 05/21/2018 03:55 PM, David Wright wrote: >> >>> As for appendix C in the Installation Manual, well that looks like >>> a bit of a joke: who's running linux in 256MB

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On Fri 25 May 2018 at 11:19:58 (+0200), Miroslav Skoric wrote: > On 05/21/2018 03:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > > >As for appendix C in the Installation Manual, well that looks like > >a bit of a joke: who's running linux in 256MB memory, let alone 16MB? > > > > One of my older machines still

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Le 25/05/2018 à 02:23, Mark Copper a écrit : One little bump: some bug requiring a little empty space separating logical partitions) It's not a bug, it's a feature of the extended partition layout. In short, each logical partition inside an extended partition must be preceded by an extended

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On 05/21/2018 03:55 PM, David Wright wrote: As for appendix C in the Installation Manual, well that looks like a bit of a joke: who's running linux in 256MB memory, let alone 16MB? One of my older machines still runs Wheezy LTS in 224 MB RAM. And soon I am going to try an upgrade to Jessie.

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On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 21/05/2018 à 18:14, Mark Copper a écrit : > >> On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:19 AM, Pascal Hambourg >> wrote: >> >>> Le 18/05/2018 à 02:05, Mark Copper a écrit : >>> >>> You will have to

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On 2018-05-22, Jerome Kutche wrote: > Curious .. Why do I get two of every posting. What setting do I need to > change.. Thanks Jerry > This might conceivably be poetic justice for top-posting and thread-hijacking.

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> Curious .. Why do I get two of every posting. What setting do I need to > change.. Thanks Jerry Search for the "Skip every other posting" option. Stefan

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Curious .. Why do I get two of every posting. What setting do I need to change.. Thanks Jerry On 5/22/2018 2:29 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 22/05/2018 à 00:12, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu a écrit : On Mon, 21 May 2018 23:18:50 +0200 Pascal Hambourg said: Le 21/05/2018 à 22:09, Abdullah

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Pascal Hambourg wrote: >> For example? > > Any operational requirement which prohibits unplanned downtime caused by > a disk failure. Do I really need to write such obviousness ? Call it > "mission critical" if you like. > >> As I have said previously, swap mirroring can be plausible for a

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Le 22/05/2018 à 20:55, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu a écrit : On Tue, 22 May 2018 20:29:21 +0200 Pascal Hambourg said: I understand that your use case does not require swap redundancy. I hope that you also understand that other people may have stronger requirements, For example? Any operational

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On 23/05/18 06:29, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > I understand that your use case does not require swap redundancy. > I hope that you also understand that other people may have stronger > requirements and your statement about swap mirroring was wrong for them, > thus wrong in general (what is not always

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Le 22/05/2018 à 00:12, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu a écrit : On Mon, 21 May 2018 23:18:50 +0200 Pascal Hambourg said: Le 21/05/2018 à 22:09, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu a écrit : I would agree mirroring swap for a mission critical server. Otherwise it would be an overkill, IMO. If one of the non-mirrored

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Le 21/05/2018 à 22:09, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu a écrit : On Mon, 21 May 2018 21:48:33 +0200 Pascal Hambourg said: The purpose of RAID 1 is to provide redundancy and availability, not performance. What do you think happens to a running system when one half of the swap suddenly becomes unavailable

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Le 21/05/2018 à 21:03, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu a écrit : Forgot to add that in a raid-1 setup swap partition*s* should not be mirrored. Of course they should be mirrored in RAID 1 too. Otherwise it defeats the purpose of RAID 1. There should be 2 separate non-mirrored swap partitions, one on

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Le 21/05/2018 à 18:52, Mark Copper a écrit : The release notes even give detailed instructions as to how you might mount bind (or is bind mount?) a usb key as a temporary /var/cache/apt/archives directory. That's an intriguing idea. I'll look. Thanks. There is plenty of free space in

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Le 21/05/2018 à 18:14, Mark Copper a écrit : On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:19 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 18/05/2018 à 02:05, Mark Copper a écrit : You will have to move/delete and re-create the swap too. Gparted allows to resize and move an unused partition. Better have

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> > The release notes even give detailed instructions as to how you might mount > bind (or is bind mount?) a usb key as a temporary /var/cache/apt/archives > directory. > That's an intriguing idea. I'll look. Thanks.

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On 2018-05-21, Mark Copper wrote: > > No, I had not considered playing with any part of /var. With /var > taking less than 1 gb and /var/cache/apt/archives less than 1mb, /usr > had seemed the elephant in the room. Might that be a way to go? I just > need to get to Stretch

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On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 3:19 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 18/05/2018 à 02:05, Mark Copper a écrit : >>> >>> There was a day when a 10 gb partition seemed like plenty of space to leave for the system but now it's not. An upgrade to Stretch appears to need

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On Mon 21 May 2018 at 05:50:27 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 07:59:48PM -0400, songbird wrote: > > Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > Then LVM is your friend. You can create as many logical volumes as you > > > like with minimal sizes and easily extend them when

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Yep. I ended up buying a second disk and moving everything around. The installation is awful. On Mon, May 21, 2018, 3:13 PM Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 21/05/2018 à 10:26, Curt a écrit : > > > > Verily in the installer I chose automatic partitioning because of my > >

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Le 21/05/2018 à 10:26, Curt a écrit : Verily in the installer I chose automatic partitioning because of my partitioning phobia many moons ago and was allotted a 9G '/' and a 1.4T 'home' (as well as swap the size of my ego) (...) (A recent thread seemed to imply that the installer's

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On Mon, 21 May 2018 08:26:01 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2018-05-21, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 07:59:48PM -0400, songbird wrote: > >> Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >> > Then LVM is your friend. You can create as many logical

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On 2018-05-21, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 07:59:48PM -0400, songbird wrote: >> Pascal Hambourg wrote: >> > Then LVM is your friend. You can create as many logical volumes as you >> > like with minimal sizes and easily extend them when needed. This

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Hello, On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 07:59:48PM -0400, songbird wrote: > Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > Then LVM is your friend. You can create as many logical volumes as you > > like with minimal sizes and easily extend them when needed. This way you > > don't waste space in overprovisioning. > >

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On 21/05/18 02:19, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote: > LVM greatly simplifies the partitioning part of the chore. But you still need > to do the content management part[*] before shrinking / after enlarging an LV, > don't you? > > [*] backup, umount/swapoff, resize2fs/mkswap, mount/swapon, (unlikely

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Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 20/05/2018 à 14:33, songbird a écrit : >> >>in my last system i had many different partitions like that but >> with the new system i decided that was wasting too much space and > > Then LVM is your friend. You can create as many logical volumes as you > like with

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Le 20/05/2018 à 21:34, Reco a écrit : On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 08:48:05PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 20/05/2018 à 17:23, Reco a écrit : On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 10:30:26AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: lvextend --resizefs ... will work without you needing to unmount the

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On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 08:48:05PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 20/05/2018 à 17:23, Reco a écrit : > > > > On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 10:30:26AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > > > lvextend --resizefs ... > > > > > > will work without you needing to unmount the file-system. > > >

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Le 20/05/2018 à 17:23, Reco a écrit : On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 10:30:26AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: lvextend --resizefs ... will work without you needing to unmount the file-system. You forgot to add 'unless you try to shrink the filesystem, or still use reiserfs'. Or use btrfs

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Le 20/05/2018 à 16:19, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu a écrit : On Sun, 20 May 2018 15:03:37 +0200 Pascal Hambourg said: Le 20/05/2018 à 14:33, songbird a écrit : in my last system i had many different partitions like that but with the new system i decided that was wasting too much space and Then LVM

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Hi. On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 10:30:26AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > [*] backup, umount/swapoff, resize2fs/mkswap, mount/swapon, (unlikely but > > possibly: restore) > > lvextend --resizefs ... > > will work without you needing to unmount the file-system. You forgot to add

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> [*] backup, umount/swapoff, resize2fs/mkswap, mount/swapon, (unlikely but > possibly: restore) lvextend --resizefs ... will work without you needing to unmount the file-system. Stefan

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On Sun, 20 May 2018 15:03:37 +0200 Pascal Hambourg said: > Le 20/05/2018 à 14:33, songbird a écrit : >> >>in my last system i had many different partitions like that but >> with the new system i decided that was wasting too much space and > > Then LVM is your friend. You can create as many

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Le 20/05/2018 à 14:33, songbird a écrit : in my last system i had many different partitions like that but with the new system i decided that was wasting too much space and Then LVM is your friend. You can create as many logical volumes as you like with minimal sizes and easily extend them

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Charlie S wrote: > On Sat, 19 May 2018 09:16:43 -0500 ntrfug sent: > >> More than 20 years ago I began saving personal files to a different >> partition than the OS. >> >> I've used this system for Windows (when I started) and for more >> flavors of Linux than I can remember. I did this so I

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Le 18/05/2018 à 02:05, Mark Copper a écrit : There was a day when a 10 gb partition seemed like plenty of space to leave for the system but now it's not. An upgrade to Stretch appears to need more. How do you know ? Device BootStart End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sda1 *

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On Sat, 19 May 2018 09:16:43 -0500 ntrfug sent: > More than 20 years ago I began saving personal files to a different > partition than the OS. > > I've used this system for Windows (when I started) and for more > flavors of Linux than I can remember. I did this so I could wipe the > root

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On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:06:46 -0500 Mark Copper wrote: > This must be a FAQ. But there appear to be two ways forward. > > 1. Back-up /home, enlarge / partition, copy back-up back to new, > smaller /home partition (because /home will then start on a different > cylinder so

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Hello, On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 04:00:45AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > Contrary to Andy’s recommendation, though, I would also > put swap on LVM — if only just to simplify things when I do find > myself needing to adjust it Well, OK. But… Should I need more swap then I don't really find adding

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On May 17, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > If using multiple partitions per disk, consider using LVM in future > as otherwise this sort of thing nearly always becomes a chore. I strongly second the recommendation to use LVM wherever possible. It greatly simplifies

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Mark Copper composed on 2018-05-17 18:06 (UTC-0500): > There was a day when a 10 gb partition seemed like plenty of space to leave > for the system but now it's not. An upgrade to Stretch appears to need more. ... > What have other people done? My largest Stretch root partition is 5.6GB. One or

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Hi, On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 06:06:46PM -0500, Mark Copper wrote: [sda1 root partition got too small; extended partition on sda2 fills remainder of disk] > This must be a FAQ. But there appear to be two ways forward. > > 1. Back-up /home, enlarge / partition, copy back-up back to new, smaller >

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On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:06:46 -0500 Mark Copper said: [ ---8<--- ] > This must be a FAQ. But there appear to be two ways forward. > > 1. Back-up /home, enlarge / partition, copy back-up back to new, smaller > /home partition (because /home will then start on a different cylinder so > data will

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:32 PM, bw wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Mark Copper wrote: > > > There was a day when a 10 gb partition seemed like plenty of space to > leave > > for the system but now it's not. An upgrade to Stretch appears to need > more. > > > > ~# fdisk -l >

making more room in root partition for distribution upgrade

There was a day when a 10 gb partition seemed like plenty of space to leave for the system but now it's not. An upgrade to Stretch appears to need more. ~# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 149.1 GiB, 160041885696 bytes, 312581808 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size