On Ma, 29 ian 13, 14:35:35, Morel Bérenger wrote:
About changelogs, since someone spoke about them (but it is OT from that
discussion, imho), using aptitude command to retrieve them is quite
useless, you usually only see changes in packaging, not in real software.
At a minimum you should see
2. If you really, really what to prevent a package from being installed
you have to configure your system accordingly. For example create a file
/etc/apt/preferences.d/no-pulseaudio with following contents:
Package: pulseaudio
Pin: version *
Pin-Priority: -1
Explanation: prevent
On Du, 27 ian 13, 13:39:29, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
However, Debian tends to completely break production environments,
if you update.
You are of course aware that when you talk about production with
Debian this means stable.
I used Debian because it was said, that I'm not
forced to use
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 22:36 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 27 ian 13, 13:39:29, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
However, Debian tends to completely break production environments,
if you update.
You are of course aware that when you talk about production with
Debian this means stable.
In
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 09:48:13PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
needed, since dependencies for stable are much to old, it easily could
happen that Debian becomes buggier (and more buggy ;) than Ubuntu.
You can bork any system if you really try.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:12:41 +0100, Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 09:48:13PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
needed, since dependencies for stable are much to old, it easily could
happen that Debian becomes buggier (and more buggy ;) than Ubuntu.
You
Hi Mark,
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013 schrieb Mark Allums:
The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers. You
are pretty much on your own finding drivers for things. Debian supports
older hardware quite well, but there is usually a long wait for it.
Upgrades from
Am Samstag, 26. Januar 2013 schrieb berenger.mo...@neutralite.org:
Le 26.01.2013 01:39, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Am Freitag, 25. Januar 2013 schrieb Tom H:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jo, 24 ian 13, 10:34:08, Mark Allums wrote:
Upgrades from release to release are more tricky than Ubuntu. It is
sometimes easiest to just install the new version
Am Freitag, 25. Januar 2013 schrieb Mike McGinn:
On Friday, January 25, 2013 08:11:48 Rob Owens wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:05:00AM -0500, Mike McGinn wrote:
I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a
'buntu user since release 7.04. With each release of the
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want to
write a bug report about it, cause its easily fixable when one knows
where to look.
And compared to other distros, what bugs did appear
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want to
write a bug report about it, cause its easily fixable when one knows
where to look.
Sorry, hit send accidentally.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation with Apache, still want to
write a bug report about it, cause its easily fixable
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
Anyway, what use is comparing? I know that upgrades on Debian work
*nicely*. I use Debian. So what relevance on earth has it to me to know
whether upgrades work nicely on xyz?
So if you want to put your time to make a cross-distro
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Sorry, hit send accidentally.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Only thing that broke was ContentNegotiation
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Sorry, hit send accidentally.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:01 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
Hi Mike!
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013 schrieb Mike McGinn:
I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu
user since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I
have been less and less happy with the so called quality and I am
planning a move to
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:48:47 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Sorry, hit send accidentally.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:48:47 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:18:37 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
[…]
But you called Debian the mother of all.
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
What I cared about was the bold matter of factly statements that Debian
is less upgradeable than Ubuntu to someone who is in the switch from
Ubuntu to Debian. On which you above seemed to provided the first sign
of possible evidence. But
I read your off-list mail. I didn't read your last mail to the list to the
end, because it's to long. You ask me to stop, I stopped. Yes, I could
name a developer, but it doesn't make sense, he's very kind. I don't like
to fight a battle with you.
I only tried to make clear that there are
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 03:48:00PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Now I only want to mention, that making updates for Debian, is
different to making updates for e.g. Ubuntu and that there's a
difference between personal experiences and universal validity, that
some issues overlap, e.g. the Debian
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:21:17 +0100, Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Which is why there are so many derivatives.
Debian is a good distro, but for some users it has got weak spots, that's
why other distros try to get rid of those drawbacks. No doubt about it,
those distros
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
I read your off-list mail. I didn't read your last mail to the list to
the end, because it's to long. You ask me to stop, I stopped. Yes, I
could name a developer, but it doesn't make sense, he's very kind. I
don't like to fight a battle with
Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:21:17 +0100, Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Which is why there are so many derivatives.
Debian is a good distro, but for some users it has got weak spots, that's
why other distros try to get rid
Hi Martin,
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 08:57:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Hi Mike!
1) Use Wheezy. As I wrote it still has KDEPIM 1 as of KDE SC 4.4.11 which
means that it will have it during its complete lifetime according to the
Debian stable policy. I am writing from such a KDEPIM 1 :).
-Original Message-
From: Martin Steigerwald [mailto:mar...@lichtvoll.de]
So I suggest Wheezy to you as well. Spares you an upgrade (which is nothing
to be scared about in Debian, really, in case you need a help with an
upgrade or have an issue, just ask here, I never saw a Debian
On Vi, 25 ian 13, 19:39:50, Mike McGinn wrote:
and what about #service mysql restart?
I'm starting to think using directly the script is too slow to type,
unlike services, which sounds to do exactly same thing?
that is upstart.
sysvinit has it too
$ dpkg -S bin/service
pm-utils:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 25 January 2013 17:20:18 Tom H wrote:
Unless you're doing an LTS-to-LTS upgrade, an Ubuntu upgrade's more
likely to succeed than a Debian one because only six months'll have
passed between versions.
Problems
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Mike McGinn mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net wrote:
On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
and what about #service mysql restart?
Le 26.01.2013 01:39, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
-Original Message-
and what about #service mysql restart?
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:05:00AM -0500, Mike McGinn wrote:
I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu user
since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I have been
less and less happy with the so called quality and I am planning a move to
On Friday, January 25, 2013 08:11:48 Rob Owens wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:05:00AM -0500, Mike McGinn wrote:
I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu
user since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I
have been less and less happy
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jo, 24 ian 13, 10:34:08, Mark Allums wrote:
Upgrades from release to release are more tricky than Ubuntu. It is
sometimes easiest to just install the new version clean.
I'm not familiar with Ubuntu, but
On Friday 25 January 2013 17:20:18 Tom H wrote:
Unless you're doing an LTS-to-LTS upgrade, an Ubuntu upgrade's more
likely to succeed than a Debian one because only six months'll have
passed between versions.
Problems seem mostly only to occur when people haven't read the release notes.
Lisi
Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Mark Allums
Sent: Thu 1/24/2013 17:34
The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers.
Debian does not use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ .
On Friday, January 25, 2013 19:13:45 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 24.01.2013 18:06, Mike McGinn a écrit :
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
-Original Message-
and what about #service mysql restart?
I'm starting to think using directly the
I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu user
since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I have been
less and less happy with the so called quality and I am planning a move to
Debian. As a Kontact user the problems reported with the new
Le Jeu 24 janvier 2013 16:05, Mike McGinn a écrit :
I am happy with what I have experienced
in my VM and I just want to know if there are any pitfalls I have not
foreseen.
The only one I can see outside of system being configured differently by
default is the hardware support.
Using a live
From: Mike McGinn [mailto:mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net]
I have a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop with 4G of RAM and have been a 'buntu
user
since release 7.04. With each release of the new OS from Kubuntu I have
been
less and less happy with the so called quality and I am planning a move
to
Debian.
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:34:08 Mark Allums wrote:
The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers. You are
pretty much on your own finding drivers for things. Debian supports older
hardware quite well, but there is usually a long wait for it.
Upgrades from
-Original Message-
From: Mark Allums
Sent: Thu 1/24/2013 17:34
The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers.
Debian does not use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ .
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:40 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Mark Allums
Sent: Thu 1/24/2013 17:34
The most noticeable difference to me has been the lack of drivers.
Debian does not use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ .
Not an issue. I prefer typing:
On Jo, 24 ian 13, 10:34:08, Mark Allums wrote:
Upgrades from release to release are more tricky than Ubuntu. It is
sometimes easiest to just install the new version clean.
I'm not familiar with Ubuntu, but Debian upgrades have always worked
fine for me.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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