On 8/28/2015 12:38 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Friday 28 August 2015 06:24:33 Seeker wrote:
On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Connecting home computers to TVs came _before_ connecting them to
monitors. The circle has merely come back to the beginning.
Lisi
I had a Commodor 64, but did
On Friday 28 August 2015 06:24:33 Seeker wrote:
On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote:
On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when
hooking a computer to a TV
was not so common,
My, we have some youngsters
On Friday 28 August 2015 03:09:48 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:00:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 05:44:20 Thomas Schmitt (?)wrote:
I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident.
The mailing list archives contain many megabytes of such
Hi,
T.J. Duchene wroye:
Whether you believe me or not, think me paranoid,
I got mistrusting, too.
makemkv forum why they
get key revocation warnings even when using Linux
Trying to grok their complaints and proposals ...
(well, yes kids, a medium error is indeed bad) ...
They talk of
On 08/28/2015 03:55 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Since this all stays a bit obscure, how about this summary statement:
Be aware that inserting a commercial Blu-ray video disc into the drive
can have undesired effects on the overall video decoding and display
system. (This does not affect the
On 08/27/2015 06:25 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident.
I googled it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm
So sorry, Gene, but Thomas's instincts are right in this case. The
On 08/27/2015 06:30 AM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
* ken geb...@mousecar.com [2015-08-20 06:53 -0400]:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
Hi,
Lisi Reisz wrote:
So please bring me the rumors, the urban legends, and
the true horror stories about this topic.
Google is a marvellous tool, Thomas. Or DuckDuckGo or $SEARCH_ENGINE
Any success with finding hints about Blu-ray drive hijacking ?
Panasonic promises to do like LG.
Le decadi 10 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit :
the reason why i am insisiting in getting facts is that
i want to know whether drive firmware can get altered
by just inserting and reading a commercial Blu-ray disc.
I sincerely doubt that the drive firmware will do this,
but
Hi,
Lisi Reisz wrote:
(As if I invented online references!!!)
At least you have more luck with googling than me.
I beat this thread not because i want to win.
As said, it is about the potential hazard of too much
user-friendliness in the drive firmware.
If Gene has a pile of dead drives and
Hi,
Gene Heskett wrote:
I believe being able to update the drive firmware in that manner it is
part of the Orange Book specification.
The rainbow books describe CD media and what the drives
shall be able to do with them. No command specs, no wiring
specs, no relation to drive firmware, DVD,
On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:26:34 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 06:25:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident.
I googled it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm
Hi,
ken wrote:
I mean, it's possible
for either or both to have malicious code in their firmware. But is either
*known* to?
Well, as you can see from my posts i fiercely deny to have
such knowledge of malicious code on the level of the drive
firmware.
(I can be convinced, though, if good
On Thursday 27 August 2015 06:25:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident.
I googled it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm
So sorry, Gene, but Thomas's instincts are right in this
Hi,
Nicolas George wrote:
There were the DVD drives by Matsushita, usually found on laptops, that did
refuse to return the encrypted contents if the region did not match.
This sounds plausible, although i would heavily complain
towards the seller if i ever found out. There is few chance
i
On Thursday 27 August 2015 05:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
We should keep in mind that it was Sony Music whose published cd's
contained code to check the kind of drive it was being played in,
and if the drive had a digital output such as the usual 40 pin atapi
drive cable, then it
On 8/27/2015 9:04 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Nicolas George wrote:
There were the DVD drives by Matsushita, usually found on laptops, that did
refuse to return the encrypted contents if the region did not match.
This sounds plausible, although i would heavily complain
towards the seller
On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote:
On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when
hooking a computer to a TV
was not so common,
My, we have some youngsters on this list now. ;-)
Connecting home computers to TVs came _before_ connecting them to monitors.
On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:00:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident.
The mailing list archives contain many megabytes of such messages from
upset people. Use the approximately correct search terms.
Go on, Gene! Provide some references. ;-)
Lisi
Hi,
Seeker wrote:
I don't know what this DVD cheating stuff is about.
I mean people who buy stuff of which they know that
the deal is unfair and then take much effort to make
it possible to use it despite.
That's the legal fiction.
In practice i doubt that they paid properly for the deal.
So
On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 22:19 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
For own data recordings it should not matter, anyway.
Correct. RPC codes only apply to the playback of DVD media that
contains data in DVD organized format designed for a player.
As a side note, RPC-1 drives have not been manufactured
On Thursday 27 August 2015 14:10:07 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Lisi Reisz wrote:
(As if I invented online references!!!)
At least you have more luck with googling than me.
I beat this thread not because i want to win.
As said, it is about the potential hazard of too much
On 8/27/2015 1:19 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Seeker wrote:
RPC-1 [...] It was left up to the software to honor
the region code or not.
RPC-2, commonly accessible software is available that does not care about
region code settings.
Initialization was changed so software does not have
On Thursday 27 August 2015 16:19:11 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Seeker wrote:
I don't know what this DVD cheating stuff is about.
I mean people who buy stuff of which they know that
the deal is unfair and then take much effort to make
it possible to use it despite.
That's the legal
On Thursday 27 August 2015 15:42:24 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:00:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident.
The mailing list archives contain many megabytes of such messages
from upset people. Use the approximately correct search
On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote:
On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when
hooking a computer to a TV
was not so common,
My, we have some youngsters on this list now. ;-)
LOL
Connecting home computers
Hi,
We should keep in mind that it was Sony Music whose published cd's
contained code to check the kind of drive it was being played in, and if
the drive had a digital output such as the usual 40 pin atapi drive
cable, then it was in a computer, and they bricked the drive.
Sony et.al.
On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident.
I googled it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm
So sorry, Gene, but Thomas's instincts are right in this case. The player
was bricked only in so far as the
* ken geb...@mousecar.com [2015-08-20 06:53 -0400]:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
Isn't a second hd in the CD-tray a better option?
Hi,
Lisi Reisz wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4456970.stm
Pity they don't tell on what operating system or
player the root kit was installed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
says that Sony BMG quickly released software to remove the
rootkit
On Thursday 27 August 2015 12:04:52 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Lisi Reisz wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4456970.stm
Pity they don't tell on what operating system or
player the root kit was installed.
If you're using a Linux system, the Sony DRM rootkit does not get
On Thursday 27 August 2015 03:03:14 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
the reason why i am insisiting in getting facts is that
i want to know whether drive firmware can get altered
by just inserting and reading a commercial Blu-ray disc.
Absolutely Thomas. All of those things look for a key in the
Hi,
the reason why i am insisiting in getting facts is that
i want to know whether drive firmware can get altered
by just inserting and reading a commercial Blu-ray disc.
I sincerely doubt that the drive firmware will do this,
but rather believe it is about software on the level
of operating
On 08/27/2015 03:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote:
On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when
hooking a computer to a TV
was not so common,
My, we have some youngsters on this list now. ;-)
Connecting home computers to TVs
Hi,
T. J. Duchene (i believe) wrote:
Blu-ray discs carry updates and blacklists that your Blu-ray drive
is required to accept on a hardware level.
If I recall correctly, the updates consist of revoked player keys and
such.
Are you sure that this applies to Blu-ray recorders in
computers
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 01:09:19PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:53:09PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
Please don't top post on this mailing list.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote:
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:53:09PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
Please don't top post on this mailing list.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote:
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any
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On 24/08/15 10:03, T. J. Duchene wrote:
Blu-ray discs carry updates and blacklists that your Blu-ray drive
is required to accept on a hardware level. Whenever you insert a
disc into the drive (OS makes no difference), the firmware is
checked and
On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 13:23 +1200, Richard Hector wrote:
On 24/08/15 10:03, T. J. Duchene wrote:
Blu-ray discs carry updates and blacklists that your Blu-ray drive
is required to accept on a hardware level. Whenever you insert a
disc into the drive (OS makes no difference), the firmware is
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 06:53:42 -0400
ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray.
I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason,
as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
Hi Ken! Hope you are having a
Please don't top post on this mailing list.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote:
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling
or grammatical errors.)
Is the iPhone really that bad? Is
On Saturday 22 August 2015 12:53:09 Chris Bannister wrote:
Please don't top post on this mailing list.
I believe it is quite hard not to on an iPhone. :-(
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote:
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray
(Sent from iPhone, so please
On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
First of all, is this going to be your
On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or
grammatical errors.)
On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:53 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or
grammatical errors.)
On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:53 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've
On 08/20/2015 07:35 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
Second, it [Blu-ray] has dmr crap in it that
might require binary only spyware to work.
DVD-Video has them too, the only difference is that the crypto in the DRM
for DVD is terribly broken.
Broken in the sense that data is corrupted or in
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On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:21:24AM -0400, ken wrote:
On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
[...]
Is that a personal preference, or are there reasons?
Others have responded too, but I think it's worth re-stating it in
a short, sweet form: they
Personal preference. Who uses blu ray? Who uses DVDs?
Anyway.
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or
grammatical errors.)
On Aug 20, 2015, at 6:21 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote:
On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
I wouldn't outfit
Future proofing mostly. Blueray drives should be backwards compatible with
DVD.
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From: ken geb...@mousecar.com
Date: Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 04:54
Subject: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray
To: CentOS mailing list cen...@centos.org, Debian Users
debian-user
Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Mauricio Tavares a écrit :
One of the compelling reasons
against is that only movies use it.
Unless the drive can also burn BD-R disks, in which case you have a
reasonably-priced way of storing 22.5 gigaoctsts of data.
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Hal Wigoda wrote:
Personal preference. Who uses blu ray? Who uses DVDs?
This really isn't a winning discussion.
If you want to read/write blu-ray disks, then buy a blu-ray reader/writer. If
you don't, don't.
You can get a blu ray writer for ~£50, so it really
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, doug a écrit :
If the DVD is not a writer as well as a player, it's not a good deal at
all, but BluRay is worse
Why would it be worse? Anything a DVD drive can do, a BD drive is supposed
to be able to do as well.
Really, there is no hesitation: if the only
On 08/20/2015 12:53 PM, ken wrote:
On 08/20/2015 10:14 AM, Gary Dale wrote:
On 20/08/15 06:53 AM, ken wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:48:11 -0400
doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
Hello doug,
actually going to watch movies on a laptop?
Why not? People watch them on a wristwatch these days.
--
Regards _
/ ) The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
Get neither: nowadays an optical reader is just a relic of the past,
making your laptop heavier and
On 20/08/15 06:53 AM, ken wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
The decision isn't that simple. As others have pointed out, the no
Hi,
ken wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
If you want to backup disk files, then BD is much less
cumbersome than DVD. My Debian 8
On 08/20/2015 10:14 AM, Gary Dale wrote:
On 20/08/15 06:53 AM, ken wrote:
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs
Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling
reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?
The decision isn't that
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