On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 05:58:09PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
I wonder, maybe that mr update can be integrated in deb system, so
that the git repo would be check as if it was just a line in
/etc/apt/sources.list ? That would be really awesome!
Hi Zeenan,
I can not contribute in this area for two reasons, I am not
knowledgeable in the X11, DM area, and my duties leave me little
cycles to ramp this knowledge up.
An additional 'may be' reason is the total lack of starting point,
even the kernel when it panics gives some clues where to
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Zeenan,
I can not contribute in this area for two reasons, I am not
knowledgeable in the X11, DM area, and my duties leave me little
cycles to ramp this knowledge up.
If you have any cycles, I, and I am sure others, will be pleased to
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
If you have any cycles, I, and I am sure others, will be pleased to
assist with a little debugging, like using strace tool for example.
You see, in your case, the bug seems very reproducible - every time
you can
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
If you have any cycles, I, and I am sure others, will be pleased to
assist with a little debugging, like using strace tool for example.
You see, in your case, the bug
Hi Zeenan,
I have streamlined the problems as follow, anybody with little HW
resource and time can reporduce it.
1) Have a workable host running vbox
2) do a regular wheezy .iso netinstall in a guest (I used amd64 wheezy)
3) Log in and check all works well (generally it did) (you may log
classic
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Phi,
That sounds like high five :)
I have streamlined the problems as follow, anybody with little HW
resource and time can reporduce it.
This looks like a much clearer bug report. And importantly,
reproducible. Was there a Debian bug
Just to clarify your procedure - vbox is installed, but you are
running vncserver just from host box, not inside vbox right?
Once the vbox guest wheezy is installed and has a vcnserver runing on
it, you may use any vncviewer you may have on your intranet to connect
to it.
my exact setup is
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
So the vbox path given is to avoid a bug fixer to buy a server :)
Did I filled a bug report? no, the problem is knows since about a year
and a half, and as I said reported thousand of time on the net, so I
guessed it was already reported.
Amazingly I needed to do a check on ubuntu raring, so I quickly setup
a raring guest. And as I am at it, dit the
panel-properties-[background] test, and it got killed with out any
'oh no' message, so even harder to understand what happen :) I may be
back to debian for raring era :)
So this is
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
Amazingly I needed to do a check on ubuntu raring, so I quickly setup
a raring guest. And as I am at it, dit the
panel-properties-[background] test, and it got killed with out any
'oh no' message, so even harder to understand what happen :) I
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
And about opening a ticket, well why opening at debian since it is general...
A bug is never a bug without context. The more developers look at a
bug, the greater chance one will be able to reproduce it, and the more
git pull/make/make install
There's a better way of building packages, but I'm short in time now, so
at least checkinstall usually does build a primitive package, IOW I
would run
git pull
(perhaps ./configure)
make
checkinstall
assumed it needs to be compiled by make.
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On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:35:39 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit :
Hi Gary,
Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I
did learn a bit of history about distro, display manager,
etc... :)
[snip]
And what
Le 30.08.2013 12:59, Phi Debian a écrit :
Amazingly I needed to do a check on ubuntu raring, so I quickly setup
a raring guest. And as I am at it, dit the
panel-properties-[background] test, and it got killed with out any
'oh no' message, so even harder to understand what happen :) I may be
Le 30.08.2013 17:55, Sharon Kimble a écrit :
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:35:39 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit :
Hi Gary,
Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I
did learn a bit of history about distro, display
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:02:54 +0200
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
git pull/make/make install
There's a better way of building packages, but I'm short in time now,
so at least checkinstall usually does build a primitive package,
IOW I would run
git pull
(perhaps
Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit :
Hi Gary,
Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I
did
learn a bit of history about distro, display manager, etc... :)
[snip]
And what about cloning the git of vncserver, install development
dependencies, and
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 07:18:57PM +0100, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Hint: unstable does not mean buggy.
In theory.
And in practice. All software has bugs, and hopefully most of the
showstoppers are caught before
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:35:24 +0200
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 19:18 +0100, Joe wrote:
I think in GTK, which makes a number of scroll bars
misbehave.
There is a bug still present for current stable releases from
upstream. Again, I use the term
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:12:15 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 07:18:57PM +0100, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Hint: unstable does not mean buggy.
In theory.
And
On 27/08/13 01:50 AM, Phi Debian wrote:
Hi All,
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
All the upgrade went smooth, and all worked
On 8/30/13, Gary Dale garyd...@velcom.ca wrote:
On 27/08/13 01:50 AM, Phi Debian wrote:
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
I
Hi Gary,
Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I did
learn a bit of history about distro, display manager, etc... :)
Why I am using GUI on servers? Well because I am a big lazy man,
having done all my career on unix so far, and I don't have time to
learn all the CUI
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
Well I need to move forward and get a more recent linux as squeeze, I
did try ubuntu and it worked, same vnc4server, got some cycle about
how to eliminate unity, how to 'fallback' gnome and get my desktop
customised my way. So as some said,
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency hell
or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and developers
need stable up-to-date releases of software + sometimes newer releases
than the
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 21:04 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency hell
or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and developers
need stable up-to-date
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:05:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:56 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer
Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:19 -0400, Tom H wrote:
You should read the Colin Watson post (linked to on Slashdot) rather
than simply going by the sensationalist headline and paragraph.
I did read it.
I accept the policies of Debian and Ubuntu ;). I'm aware about their
advantages and their
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:30:07 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Fedora/RedHat has strict libre adherence for since forever. Debian has
social contract forever.
These advantages are definitive!
These distributions are therefore superior! They are definitively better!
Debian has 40,000 software
Dear Conrad,
Regarding the Debian's advantage and disadvantage, any one can point but
comparing two persons, their ideology is not that simple.
Richard stall man stood for a nobel cause. If he hasn't taken such a
project called GNU, we may have used only freeBSD and its kernel and may
not
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:46 -0400, Tom H wrote:
I use Ubuntu
:) then you likely will run into the same issue like me and better
pretend that you don not use the best distro for your needs, since
Debian is the best distro for everybody.
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency
hell or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 19:18 +0100, Joe wrote:
I think in GTK, which makes a number of scroll bars
misbehave.
There is a bug still present for current stable releases from
upstream. Again, I use the term stable here for the official stable
releases from _upstream_, not for Debian stable. Debian,
On 8/27/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
Ubuntu is Debian snapshot, so
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 18:07 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
For server, perhaps simpler XFCE4?
Xfce or LXDE are a good idea.
Or add custom repo and install Cinnamon or MATE desktops
Have you ever tested Cinnamon and MATE? Nobody should consider that one
of them can be called a quasi continued
Hi Zeenan,
Yes I did this move an the 'less used' server, not really crash'n'burn
but still ok to try yhr move there first.
Yes I used gnome-classic-2D
I used minimalist gnome setup, only 1 main-panel on the right, no
workspace, no other pannel
I have a permenant vnc session on the server
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 10:40 +0200, Phi Debian wrote:
What I liked with old gnome, was the custom can be done without
learning anything, drag drop panels, click on color that suite you,
focus follow mouse was trivial, etc
If it was only this, than you'll be more satisfied with using Xfce4,
On 2013-08-27 11:07, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Hi All,
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
Ubuntu is Debian snapshot, so much of
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:56 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer
Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause much
more issues, when you talk to upstream, than they already
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:56 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer
Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause much
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 18:07 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
For server, perhaps simpler XFCE4?
Xfce or LXDE are a good idea.
Or add custom repo and install Cinnamon or MATE desktops
Have you ever tested Cinnamon and MATE?
No. Wanted
On 8/27/13, Phi Debian phi.deb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Zeenan,
Hi Phi,
*please*, reply only to the list. I do not need multiple copies of your email.
I have a permenant vnc session
I don't really know what you mean by permenant vnc session.
on the server (trusted network) and I
do most of
I only want to point out that that there isn't such as the good, the bad
and the ugly distro. No distro of the known distros with a huge user
base is better or worse than another distro. I can mention advantages
and drawbacks for most of them, IOW for all of them I used/I'm using.
When I read on
I am not religious about distros, I said I got many guest running on
the server, this is precisly to have a whole sort of distro running.
Yet the server got to have one, and for historical reasons it happen
it is debian.
Now this gnome3 comes to the dance, and break the tiny bits of basic
thing
:)
Hi Ralph, hope you are well.
Your general, non-direct reply to my questions to you, is by default
consent to my implied positions.
I _am_ still interested to know if you consider yourself to be a
compulsive relationship-communication boundary tester?
I defend your right to free speech. Some
Zenaan, if everybody would use Debian for development, than even the
Debian community would have to suffer from slower progress. To develop,
to report bugs to upstream etc. you often need an Linux userspace
environment that is up-to-date, but even experimental isn't up-to-date.
The policy that
PS: Since you have that much issues with compiling software, consider
that some distros e.g. have a huge userbase, because not less users need
the current stable kernel release, with the current stable modules for
new hardware. Is the huge userbase from distros you consider as less
good, a
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best distros,
but by doing this you miss a basic approach of FLOSS. There isn't such
as a commercial competition, or radical political model.
What you say does not make sense.
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best distros,
but by doing this you miss a basic approach of FLOSS. There isn't such
as a commercial competition, or
Le 27.08.2013 13:12, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
Some of those distros are much older than Debian is.
Well, sorry to go inside your discussion ( which is more fun than
anything else, for me ), but that point surprised me. I am not a linux
distro expert, and only really used Debian ( tried
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 13:30 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 13:12, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
Some of those distros are much older than Debian is.
Well, sorry to go inside your discussion ( which is more fun than
anything else, for me ), but that point surprised me.
On 2013-08-27, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
Your general, non-direct reply to my questions to you, is by default
consent to my implied positions.
I can't parse that.
I _am_ still interested to know if you consider yourself to be a
compulsive relationship-communication boundary
Le 27.08.2013 13:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best
distros,
but by doing this you miss a basic approach of FLOSS. There
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best distros,
but by doing this you miss a basic approach
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:55 +, Curt wrote:
What a traitor (or not)!
arch traitor ;) since I prefer Arch Linux and my explanations might be
a traitor's kiss, since I referred to the KISS principle.
You can read on many mailing lists that people often try to explain
something with the
On 8/27/13, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
On 2013-08-27, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
Your general, non-direct reply to my questions to you, is by default
consent to my implied positions.
I can't parse that.
Sorry. I shall try again:
I am saying Ralph ignored my questions to him
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:02 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Is there is any distro with binaries from trunk/master ( depending on
if you prefer svn or git ;) ) up to date? It would be quite strange, but
sounds nice.
Arch Linux comes with binaries for the current stable releases
A hypocrite is somebody who claims to be somebody or to believe
something, but in reality this person is somebody else or does believe
something completely different. I'm only willing to explain, why
Debian or what ever distro with a huge userbase, isn't superior over
other distros, not by
Le 27.08.2013 14:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:02 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Is there is any distro with binaries from trunk/master ( depending
on
if you prefer svn or git ;) ) up to date? It would be quite strange,
but
sounds nice.
Arch Linux comes
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:02 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Is there is any distro with binaries from trunk/master ( depending on
if you prefer svn or git ;) ) up to date? It would be quite strange, but
sounds nice.
On 08/27/2013 07:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:55 +, Curt wrote:
What a traitor (or not)!
arch traitor ;) since I prefer Arch Linux and my explanations might be
a traitor's kiss, since I referred to the KISS principle.
I am still a big Arch fan myself. But after a
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:07:03AM -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
Debian's obsession with free software conformity is, indeed, a
weakness. Before you blast me, I'm just going to point out I
subscribe more to the Torvalds school of thought on open source, NOT
the Stallman school. Richard Stallman
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
likes to brag about having a HUGE repository, but when you actually
look at it, it's actually an AVERAGE repository made bigger by the
fact that when you install software, despite
On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
likes to brag about having a HUGE repository, but when you actually
look at it, it's actually an AVERAGE repository made
On 08/27/2013 12:00 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
likes to brag about having a HUGE repository, but when you actually
look
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 10:07 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 08/27/2013 07:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:55 +, Curt wrote:
What a traitor (or not)!
arch traitor ;) since I prefer Arch Linux and my explanations might be
a traitor's kiss, since I referred to the KISS
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 17:22 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Can you please provide package's names which should be united?
jackd packages shouldn't be split, joint the jack devel mailing list
archive, unfortunately you need to be subscribed for doing this.
But again, even that
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 12:00 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
I don't think I can explain the splitting thing that bugs me well
enough. Just that I think that Debian's claims to have a HUGE
repository are maybe a little dishonest when if they actually reduced
all their packages to what they are at
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 12:03 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 08/27/2013 12:00 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
likes to brag
Le 27.08.2013 19:03, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
On 08/27/2013 12:00 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot.
Debian
likes to brag about having
n Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
[...]
In English, [...]
Debian is an
Hi All,
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
All the upgrade went smooth, and all worked like a charm, so thank you
for all the
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