Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Ben Finney
Mark Allums writes: > The onus is not on me to provide reasons. I simply asked for more > info. You initially asked for reasons; reasons were given. You haven't responded to those, from what I can see, and AFAICT they answer the initial reuest adequately. As best I can tell, a reasonable person

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 04:27:43 am Dominik George wrote: > No. I, for one, do not care much who owns GitHub. > > Most of what's wrong there can be explained by stupidity or lack of > care rather than being evil. > > And most companies seem to make one common mistake when it comes to > diversity:

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 02:37:09PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:19:35 +0200 > wrote: > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > >I'm not sure I should interpret that as trolling, misunderstanding > >about what inclusive policies mean or what. > > More like reductio ad absurdum. The

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:19:35 +0200 wrote: Hello to...@tuxteam.de, >I'm not sure I should interpret that as trolling, misunderstanding >about what inclusive policies mean or what. More like reductio ad absurdum. The point is, legislation cannot do away with discrimination. -- Regards _

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:52:50AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:27:43 +0200 > Dominik George wrote: > > Hello Dominik, > > >trans people, or the disabled. They don't get that choosing a set of > >people to include, instead of removing *all* barriers, is > >discrimination ra

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:27:43 +0200 Dominik George wrote: Hello Dominik, >trans people, or the disabled. They don't get that choosing a set of >people to include, instead of removing *all* barriers, is >discrimination rather than inclusion. The problem is that, in some countries, to combat disc

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:51:40AM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > >Yes, it does. Despite what others have said, there is a beneficial > >patent > >exhaustion effect. If software with patented algorithms is > >distributed by the > >patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there On 17/05/2019 09:28, Dominik George wrote: please do*never* use GitHub for free software Please explain, in detail, why. If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, here's why: https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html An overview; https://en.wi

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Dominik George
>Yes, it does. Despite what others have said, there is a beneficial >patent >exhaustion effect. If software with patented algorithms is >distributed by the >patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is >exhausted. >https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/patent_exhaustion/ Ye

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 17/May/2019 17:52:02 +0200 rhkramer wrote: > On Friday, May 17, 2019 03:28:51 AM Dominik George wrote: >> >> please do*never* use GitHub for free software >> > >> >Please explain, in detail, why. >> >> If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, >> here's why:

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Dominik George
Hi, >Why do these restrictions exist? The reason most social media services >use an >age limit of 13 or over is in part because of a law in the USA. The >COPPA law >or Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act states that any >organisations or >people operating online services (including social me

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Curt
On 2019-05-18, Richard Hector wrote: > > I'm not going to read them again, but IIRC one of them referred to the > GitHub ToC, which contained a bit about restricting accounts to those > over 13 years of age, and claiming this was due to US law (but not > specifying which law). https://en.wikipedi

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Dominik George
No. I, for one, do not care much who owns GitHub. Most of what's wrong there can be explained by stupidity or lack of care rather than being evil. And most companies seem to make one common mistake when it comes to diversity: They mistake diversity for caring for certain groups of people, often

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 01:53:30AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > On 5/17/19 10:43 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Mark Allums writes: > > > > > On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote: > > > > > Please explain, in detail, why. > > > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > > > htt

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/17/19 10:43 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Mark Allums writes: On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote: Please explain, in detail, why. https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/ https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e2017030

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Richard Hector
On 18/05/19 5:17 PM, Aidan Gauland wrote: > On 18/05/19 11:08 AM, Dominik George wrote: >>> Can you give sources for your claim about their discrimination?  That >>> one is new to me. >> I did. Please read my mails in this thread. > I have, and I just re-read the articles you gave, and I still do n

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Aidan Gauland
On 18/05/19 11:08 AM, Dominik George wrote: >> Can you give sources for your claim about their discrimination?  That >> one is new to me. > I did. Please read my mails in this thread. I have, and I just re-read the articles you gave, and I still do not see anything about discrimination by age, or a

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Ben Finney
Mark Allums writes: > On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote: > >> Please explain, in detail, why. > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/ > > https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm > > I'm not conv

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread arne
On Fri, 17 May 2019 17:57:55 +0200 Dominik George wrote: > >Does putting software on GitHub give them any kind of claim on the > >intellectual property of the software? > > No. > No, not now But when, matter of time I guess. Been there, done that.

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Dominik George
>Can you give sources for your claim about their discrimination?  That >one is new to me. I did. Please read my mails in this thread. -nik

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Aidan Gauland
On 17/05/19 7:28 PM, Dominik George wrote: >>> please do*never* use GitHub for free software >> Please explain, in detail, why. > If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, > here's why: > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > https://www.adamhyde.net/ano

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:52:02AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] > Does putting software on GitHub give them any kind of claim on the > intellectual property of the software? Absolutely not. *If* there's a strategy behind that (there might be, to the tune of $7.5B), it has to be more s

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Dominik George
>Does putting software on GitHub give them any kind of claim on the >intellectual property of the software? No.

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, May 17, 2019 03:28:51 AM Dominik George wrote: > >> please do*never* use GitHub for free software > > > >Please explain, in detail, why. > > If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, > here's why: > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > http

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Paul Sutton
On 17/05/2019 09:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 09:28:51AM +0200, Dominik George wrote: please do*never* use GitHub for free software > > [links] > > Thanks for the links. Up to now, I avoided Github mainly because > I'm always wary of those "open core", which pay

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 09:28:51AM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > >> please do*never* use GitHub for free software [links] Thanks for the links. Up to now, I avoided Github mainly because I'm always wary of those "open core", which pay lip service to "Open Source" (and make heavy use of free sof

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote: please do*never* use GitHub for free software Please explain, in detail, why. If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, here's why: https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-re

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Dominik George
>> please do*never* use GitHub for free software > >Please explain, in detail, why. If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, here's why: https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/ https://www.mirb

please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/16/19 11:34 AM, Dominik George wrote: please do*never* use GitHub for free software Please explain, in detail, why. Mark