Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:18:27PM +0200, lee wrote:
Who cares about the free driver before it's at least as good as the one
from NVIDIA?
Who cares about non-free software?
Most people do, just look at all the windoze users. You can't
On Lu, 22 oct 12, 22:11:11, Mark Allums wrote:
Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems. They
disdain them, and pay no heed to bug reports filed against them.
They also ignore kernel bug reports if the nvidia driver is loaded.
They refer to that as tainting the kernel.
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes:
there are others) have enough work as it is. Why should they care about
bugs that appear *only* in combination with non-free software if the
equivalent free software has no issues?
Even *if* 32bit apps can be run with the free driver --- which
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:18:27PM +0200, lee wrote:
Who cares about the free driver before it's at least as good as the one
from NVIDIA?
Who cares about non-free software?
They better appreciate these drivers. Without them, everyone who needs
a GUI would not use Linux anymore.
Well, I
On 10/23/2012 3:59 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 22 oct 12, 22:11:11, Mark Allums wrote:
Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems. They
disdain them, and pay no heed to bug reports filed against them.
They also ignore kernel bug reports if the nvidia driver is loaded.
Mark Allums wrote:
Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems. They
disdain them, and pay no heed to bug reports filed against them.
They don't regard them as anathema. They regard them as Nvidia's
problem. Which they are. I've used them in the past, and I certainly
didn't
On 10/23/2012 2:30 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums wrote:
Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems. They
disdain them, and pay no heed to bug reports filed against them.
They don't regard them as anathema. They regard them as Nvidia's
problem. Which they are. I've
Mark Allums wrote:
Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems.
I wrote:
They don't regard them as anathema.
They certainly *do* regard them as anathema, as they do all
closed-source and non-free software.
False. I am a Debian dev. I do not regard closed-source as
On 10/23/2012 4:43 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums wrote:
Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems.
I wrote:
They don't regard them as anathema.
They certainly *do* regard them as anathema, as they do all
closed-source and non-free software.
False. I am a Debian
On Du, 21 oct 12, 17:33:17, Mark Allums wrote:
Yes, because you have to enable multiarch before upgrading ia32-libs.
This is documented in the wheezy Release Notes:
http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#ia32libs
I did that. Multiarch in Wheezy,
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:
Hello lee,
lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:
the advantage that not one big package has to be updated each time
one of the libraries it contains changes, but only one small(-ish)
library package.
On 10/22/2012 4:40 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 21 oct 12, 17:33:17, Mark Allums wrote:
Yes, because you have to enable multiarch before upgrading ia32-libs.
This is documented in the wheezy Release Notes:
On 10/22/2012 8:06 AM, lee wrote:
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:
Hello lee,
lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:
the advantage that not one big package has to be updated each time
one of the libraries it contains changes, but only one
On Sb, 20 oct 12, 12:02:02, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
But then, when I wanted to install the nvidia-glx package (32-bit), aptitude
messed with several other packages. It wanted to deinstall skype (which is
running perfectly in 64-bit environment), crrsim and some other 32-bit
packages, due
2012/10/21 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
On Sb, 20 oct 12, 12:02:02, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
But then, when I wanted to install the nvidia-glx package (32-bit),
aptitude
messed with several other packages. It wanted to deinstall skype (which
is
running perfectly in 64-bit
On Du, 21 oct 12, 13:41:35, Valery Mamonov wrote:
I.e. I must install a bunch of i386-packages to meet skype-only
dependencies?
Yes. Are you worried about the number of packages or size? If the later
you should check the size of ia32-libs(-gtk) ;)
Kind regards,
Andrei
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2012/10/21 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
On Du, 21 oct 12, 13:41:35, Valery Mamonov wrote:
I.e. I must install a bunch of i386-packages to meet skype-only
dependencies?
Yes. Are you worried about the number of packages or size? If the later
you should check the size of
On Du, 21 oct 12, 14:00:36, Valery Mamonov wrote:
2012/10/21 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
On Du, 21 oct 12, 13:41:35, Valery Mamonov wrote:
I.e. I must install a bunch of i386-packages to meet skype-only
dependencies?
Yes. Are you worried about the number of packages
Hello Valery,
Valery Mamonov valerymamo...@gmail.com wrote:
About number of packages, of course - install almost 32bit-operating system
to run only one program. I think, it's a problem of skype itself, too.
It is the problem of running a 32 bit application on a normally 64
bit operating
What I'm trying to say is that ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk probably
contain all of those libraries.
If you want to keep your system light you should probably install the
real 32-bit skype (not the pseudo-amd64 one), because that package will
depend only on the 32-bit libraries it really
On 2012-10-21 13:00:00 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
What I do not understand: Why does skype want to install lots of new 32-bit
libs, when the package (and this is the 32-bit one) already can use either
ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (which are also used by other applications).
Are you sure
Hello Hans-J.,
Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
What I do not understand: Why does skype want to install lots of new 32-bit
libs, when the package (and this is the 32-bit one) already can use either
ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (which are also used by other applications).
There is
On Du, 21 oct 12, 13:00:00, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
What I do not understand: Why does skype want to install lots of new 32-bit
libs, when the package (and this is the 32-bit one) already can use either
ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (which are also used by other applications).
Could you
Could you please provide copy-paste of the output and also the output of
'apt-cache policy skype' (or the full filename if you just downloaded
it).
Kind regards,
Andrei
Yes, i would kindly like to. Here is the output:
apt-cache policy skype
skype:
Installiert: (keine)
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:
the advantage that not one big package has to be updated each time
one of the libraries it contains changes, but only one small(-ish)
library package.
And which packages do I need to have installed to get 32bit support
working again as it was
On 10/21/2012 9:08 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 21 oct 12, 13:00:00, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
What I do not understand: Why does skype want to install lots of new 32-bit
libs, when the package (and this is the 32-bit one) already can use either
ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (which are also
Hello lee,
lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net writes:
the advantage that not one big package has to be updated each time
one of the libraries it contains changes, but only one small(-ish)
library package.
And which packages do I need to have
Hello Mark,
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
What some of you are missing is that the transitional package ia32-libs
in sid is uninstallable unless you allow experimental, because of some
of the dependencies. It's just not a viable option unless you are a dev
working on those packages.
On Du, 21 oct 12, 11:27:05, Mark Allums wrote:
What some of you are missing is that the transitional package
ia32-libs in sid is uninstallable unless you allow experimental,
because of some of the dependencies. It's just not a viable option
unless you are a dev working on those packages.
On 10/21/2012 12:35 PM, Claudius Hubig wrote:
Hello Mark,
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
What some of you are missing is that the transitional package ia32-libs
in sid is uninstallable unless you allow experimental, because of some
of the dependencies. It's just not a viable option unless
On 10/21/2012 12:48 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 21 oct 12, 11:27:05, Mark Allums wrote:
What some of you are missing is that the transitional package
ia32-libs in sid is uninstallable unless you allow experimental,
because of some of the dependencies. It's just not a viable option
unless
On 10/21/2012 3:28 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 10/21/2012 12:35 PM, Claudius Hubig wrote:
Hello Mark,
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
What some of you are missing is that the transitional package ia32-libs
in sid is uninstallable unless you allow experimental, because of some
of the
Hello Mark,
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
However, there are still packages that depend
on it. Therefore, you need it if you have one of those packages.
Which packages?
The
Joker in the deck is that it has screwed up dependencies itself, and it
really should not be in sid.
Sid,
On Du, 21 oct 12, 21:42:45, Claudius Hubig wrote:
I have to admit I did not look into that any further, but, yes, the
dependencies are rather screwed up: ia32-libs:amd64 depends on
ia32-libs-i386, which is only available in the i386 architecture (and
then able to pull in other i386
On 10/21/2012 5:00 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 21 oct 12, 21:42:45, Claudius Hubig wrote:
I have to admit I did not look into that any further, but, yes, the
dependencies are rather screwed up: ia32-libs:amd64 depends on
ia32-libs-i386, which is only available in the i386 architecture
Dear package-teams,
please do not put everything to multiarch! Just let me explain, why I think
so.
As already reported here, many users (and me too) got into a lot of problems,
beccause the 32-bit nvidia drivers are now put into multiarch.
Doing so, several applications, like googleeearth,
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 12:02:02PM +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Dear package-teams,
please do not put everything to multiarch! Just let me explain, why I think
so.
As already reported here, many users (and me too) got into a lot of problems,
beccause the 32-bit nvidia drivers are now
On 10/20/2012 5:02 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Dear package-teams,
please do not put everything to multiarch! Just let me explain, why I think
so.
As already reported here, many users (and me too) got into a lot of problems,
beccause the 32-bit nvidia drivers are now put into multiarch.
Doing
Hans, the state of multiarch, post-Wheezy, is that it is not ready for
use. As you have found, it is not compatible with everything, or
perhaps it should be put the other way: Not everything may be compatible
with it. People are advised to be patient about updating/upgrading,
especially
On Saturday 20 October 2012 16:12:59 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Hans, the state of multiarch, post-Wheezy, is that it is not ready for
use. As you have found, it is not compatible with everything, or
perhaps it should be put the other way: Not everything may be compatible
with it. People
Lisi writes:
A bug report can, I believe, be a request for something that is not
there.
Yes. It's called a wishlist bug and it is one of the choices offered
by reportbug.
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Lisi writes:
A bug report can, I believe, be a request for something that is not
there.
Yes. It's called a wishlist bug and it is one of the choices offered
by reportbug.
I have already sent a bug report, and it is being ignored.
So it really does
On 10/20/2012 6:10 PM, lee wrote:
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes:
Lisi writes:
A bug report can, I believe, be a request for something that is not
there.
Yes. It's called a wishlist bug and it is one of the choices offered
by reportbug.
I have already sent a bug report, and it is
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