Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 21:47:45 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority: required

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 21:47:45 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority:

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Brian wrote: I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority: required and Priority: important. You can get lists of these packages

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-16 19:12 +0200, Joey Hess wrote: Brian wrote: The init package is Priority: required. It pre-depends on systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core | upstart The first alternative is systemd-sysv, which pre-depends on systemd. There is no preseed command which can alter this. It may

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joey Hess wrote: Brian wrote: I'd suggest that the principal udeb package to consider as responsible for installing the base system is bootstrap-base. It runs debootstrap. Debian Policy specifies the base packages as being of Priority: required and Priority: important. You can get lists of

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Brian wrote: There is no preseed command which can alter this. It may be that adding --include=sysvinit-core to debootstrap will cause the other branch of that dependency to be taken. I have not tested it. If that is the case, then

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Doug
On 10/16/2014 02:33 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: /snip/ The technique given by Jonathan Dowland works and appears to me to involve a minimal amount of work for someone wanting to end up booting a new install with sysvinit. Depending on what is

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Brian wrote: There is no preseed command which can alter this. It may be that adding --include=sysvinit-core to debootstrap will cause the other branch of that dependency to be taken. I have not tested it. If that is the

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 14:59:12 -0400, Doug wrote: On 10/16/2014 02:33 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 16 Oct 2014 at 13:12:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: /snip/ The technique given by Jonathan Dowland works and appears to me to involve a minimal amount of work for someone wanting to end up

preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Folks, So, it's been suggested here that one might write a preseed file to install sysvinit-core instead of systemd - but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to do that. What I've been able to determine so far: 1. There is now an essential metapackage called init that depends on one

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 07:49:08AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: 1. There is now an essential metapackage called init that depends on one of systemd-sysv, or sysvinit-core, or upstart. (parenthetical question: What distinguishes a metapackage from a virtual package? Or perhaps, more

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 07:49:08AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: 1. There is now an essential metapackage called init that depends on one of systemd-sysv, or sysvinit-core, or upstart. (parenthetical question: What distinguishes a metapackage from a virtual package? Or

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Brian
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 12:29:23 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: any thoughts re. conflicts between what's in, say tasksel tasksel/first standard, web-server and d-i pkgsel/include string sysvinit-core systemd-shim I don't believe there are any. I think what happens is that standard and

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Thanks Brian. See follow-up question embedded below. Brian wrote: On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 12:29:23 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: any thoughts re. conflicts between what's in, say tasksel tasksel/first standard, web-server and d-i pkgsel/include string sysvinit-core systemd-shim I don't

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:34:40PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Thoughts? I'm drawing blanks at the moment, but I'm glad you are looking at this. I'll see if I can poke about a bit Tomorrow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 15 oct 14, 12:29:23, Miles Fidelman wrote: 3. Is there a way to list all packages with priority standard - preferably via the package repo or one of the staging servers rather than having to first setup up a jessie installation and pulling in the source list? You don't need a full

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Brian
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 15:34:40 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: So where in base system is systemd installed? This is the list of packages in base (from the source for the jessie version of debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/base as of yesterday): [A little snipping] I'd suggest that the

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 15:34:40 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: So where in base system is systemd installed? This is the list of packages in base (from the source for the jessie version of debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/base as of yesterday): [A little snipping] I'd suggest that

Re: preseeding question (yes, re. systemd / sysvinit-core)

2014-10-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 15:34:40 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: So where in base system is systemd installed? This is the list of packages in base (from the source for the jessie version of debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/base as of yesterday): [A little snipping] I'd suggest that