Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-07-05 Thread lee
An update on this (see long quote below) --- maybe it helps someone with a similar problem: After a total disk failure seemed imminent --- the disconnected disk didn't come back after turning the computer off and back on --- I got two new disks to replace the Maxtor 7V300F0 disks. I made a

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-07-02 Thread lee
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 11:05:01PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 04:11:35PM -0600, lee wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200,

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 03 January 2009 23:05:01 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 04:11:35PM -0600, lee wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-03 Thread lee
On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: lee wrote: Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access them? It

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-03 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 04:11:35PM -0600, lee wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: lee wrote: Well, how do you install on

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-02 Thread lee
On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: lee wrote: Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access them? It still has the option to load more modules from a floppy disk, but I haven't had a floppy disk drive for years ... With no system

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-02 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: lee wrote: Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access them? It still has the option to load more modules from a floppy disk, but I

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-01 Thread lee
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:29:28AM +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: lee wrote: I'm not sure if I could use a pre-built Debian kernel: the installer couldn't access the SATA disks because it didn't have the module for the controller, and a pre-built standard Debian kernel might not have

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-01 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
lee wrote: Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access them? It still has the option to load more modules from a floppy disk, but I haven't had a floppy disk drive for years ... With no system installed, you couldn't create those disks anyway. You should be able

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-01 Thread lee
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:11:59PM +, Aneurin Price wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:58 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Anyway, if it's a software problem, it's probably not the module for the particular controller but something else. That people with all kinds of different hardware

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-15 Thread Aneurin Price
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:58 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Anyway, if it's a software problem, it's probably not the module for the particular controller but something else. That people with all kinds of different hardware have this problem supports this theory. Hm, and I haven't seen

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-15 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
Aneurin Price wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:58 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Anyway, if it's a software problem, it's probably not the module for the particular controller but something else. That people with all kinds of different hardware have this problem supports this theory.

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-14 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
lee wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:40:50PM +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: do you have custom kernel or debian stock kernel. Until today, I was using a standard kernel from kernel.org. Today I downloaded the package with the Debian kernel sources (2.6.24, blah etchnhalf or something like

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-13 Thread Adrian Levi
2008/12/13 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. bs...@volumehost.net: On Friday 2008 December 12 22:41:17 Adrian Levi wrote: 2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. bs...@volumehost.net: iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :( I'm not using any access restrictions on the access point itself, it's basically open.

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-12 Thread Adrian Levi
2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. bs...@volumehost.net: iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :( I have been using 2.6.27.7 for a while now, seems pretty stable. With a plain debian kernel 2.6.26 I would somwtimes have to press the wifi kill switch to kill the driver and press it again to get

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 2008 December 12 22:41:17 Adrian Levi wrote: 2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. bs...@volumehost.net: iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :( I'm not using any access restrictions on the access point itself, it's basically open. Both the APs I need to deal with regularly are WPA

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58:30AM -0600, lee wrote: I've started a long test, but it says it'll take about two hours. I'll let you know the result. cat:/home/lee# smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen Home page is

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Alex Samad
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:39:01PM -0600, lee wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58:30AM -0600, lee wrote: I've started a long test, but it says it'll take about two hours. I'll let you know the result. cat:/home/lee# smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.38

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
lee wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58:30AM -0600, lee wrote: I've started a long test, but it says it'll take about two hours. I'll let you know the result. cat:/home/lee# smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 14:53, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0600 Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. bs...@volumehost.net wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:54:58AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: well it seems atleast the drives are okay, maybe a faulty cable ? Just seems strange that the debian patches would make a difference (but I could be wrong), especially with stock standard stuff Unfortunately, that the selftests

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:35:06 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: ... For more than you want to know about binary firmware blobs see the thread Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged 'lenny-ignore'? and related threads on debian devel:

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:40:50PM +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: do you have custom kernel or debian stock kernel. Until today, I was using a standard kernel from kernel.org. Today I downloaded the package with the Debian kernel sources (2.6.24, blah etchnhalf or something like that ...),

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Alex Samad
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:06:12PM -0600, lee wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:54:58AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: well it seems atleast the drives are okay, maybe a faulty cable ? Just seems strange that the debian patches would make a difference (but I could be wrong), especially with

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:58:55PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:06:12PM -0600, lee wrote: One option I haven't tried yet is to plug both SATA disks into the same channel (i. e. use adjacent plugs). I didn't do that because they might be blocking each other --- this

problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
Hi, what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that comes as a Debian package? I'm using a standard kernel, but I'm having problems with one of my disks (see below). The disk gets lost every now and then, i. e. it seems to take a couple days or weeks now (I've seen it taking as

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that comes as a Debian package? The Debian kernel has some non-free (as in: source not available) parts removed. There are also Debian-specific patches added. So is there a difference

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that comes as a Debian package? The Debian kernel has some non-free (as in: source not available)

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that comes as a Debian package? The Debian kernel has some

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 04:05:26PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: So is there a difference between Debian and standard kernels so that I might not have this problem if I'd use a Debian kernel? Not that I know of. Hm, maybe I'll just try one and see what happens. Yeah, it's a

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the difference between a standard

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 12/10/08 16:53, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.12.10.2215 +0100]: I'm using a standard kernel, but I'm having problems with one of my disks (see below). [...] So is there a difference between Debian and standard kernels so that I might not have this problem if I'd use a Debian kernel? Has this

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:10:16 Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that comes as a Debian package? The Debian

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:57:39 Ron Johnson wrote: On 12/10/08 16:53, Celejar wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the difference between a

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:16:24 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Different interpretations of the GPLv2, I suppose. Linus seems fine with ... Anyway, that's why Debian sometimes removes features from the vanilla kernel -- the considered (voted on, IIRC) opinion that

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:52:03 lee wrote: But I'm wondering how many people have this problem. There are probably lots of people with SATA disks, and if most of them had this problem, it might have already heen solved. If lots of people have SATA disks but don't have this problem, I might

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 16:21:26 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: [...] The Debian kernel has some non-free (as in: source not available) parts removed. There are also Debian-specific patches added.

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:52:03 lee wrote: But I'm wondering how many people have this problem. There are probably lots of people with SATA disks, and if most of them had this problem, it might have already heen

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:06:27AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.12.10.2215 +0100]: I'm using a standard kernel, but I'm having problems with one of my disks (see below). [...] So is there a difference between Debian and standard kernels so that

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 19:14:37 lee wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: If time is what it takes to reproduce, that's fine -- just figure out what a good upper bound is. Is 1 day long enough without drops long enough to say the kernel is good?

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 07:30:40PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 19:14:37 lee wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: If time is what it takes to reproduce, that's fine -- just figure out what a good upper bound

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Alex Samad
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 03:15:56PM -0600, lee wrote: Hi, [snip] smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Maxtor MaXLine III family

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 07:14:37PM -0600, lee wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:52:03 lee wrote: If you can find enough people with the same problems and co-ordinate, you might be able to reduce the amount of

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:37:57PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: have you tried smartctl -H device and smartctl -t short|long device Yes, there doesn't seem to be anything unusual: cat:/home/lee# smartctl -H /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce