Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-25 Thread Chris Davies
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 21:17, Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk wrote: Which is why usability testing is (should be) so important. Preferably at the prototype/design stage rather than as an afterthought just before release. Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Are you kidding? In

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 21:17, Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk wrote: Which is why usability testing is (should be) so important. Preferably at the prototype/design stage rather than as an afterthought just before release. Are you kidding? In reference to KDE, at least, I have stopped

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 22 oct 10, 01:25:28, lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread lee
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:15:52AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Vi, 22 oct 10, 01:25:28, lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/23/2010 06:44 AM, lee wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:15:52AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Vi, 22 oct 10, 01:25:28, lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread Chris Davies
Andreas Weber ae...@worldwideweber.ch wrote: And doing GUI programming means that you can do the best you can think of and there will always be some smart person knowing it better. Which is why usability testing is (should be) so important. Preferably at the prototype/design stage rather than

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Roel Schroeven
lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar?

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:24:46PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:03, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Hi, is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? Sure, start the application with the --reverse flag: $ okular --reverse -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2010 09:44 AM, lee wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:24:46PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Daniel Barclay
lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar?

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:34:36PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/2010 09:44 AM, lee wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:24:46PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 02:55:39PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 05:22:45PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:03, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Hi, is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? Sure, start the application with the --reverse flag

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
For KDE I don't know. For other applications like xterm or rxvt it can be customized with X-settings, e.g., in ~/.Xdefaults XTerm*scrollBar:True XTerm*rightScrollBar: True XTerm*scrollBar_right: True URxvt*scrollBar:True URxvt*scrollBar_right:

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 06:44:50PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:21:43 +0200, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: [snip] On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar? Take a piece of construction paper and cut a 2mm slit in it. Now

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Andreas Weber
On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar? Seriously? It indicates the position in the document, and so it behaves.

s/2mm/2cm (was Re: scrollbar on left side)

2010-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/21/2010 04:34 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: [snip] On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar? Take a piece of

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:48:22 +0200, lee wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 06:44:50PM +, Camaleón wrote: You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some apps? everywhere Ugh... then dunno. It was promised years ago for KDE 4.x to be able to finally put the scroll bar on the

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: [snip] On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar?

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar?

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:10:27 -0400 Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/20/2010 06:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: ... [u]rxvt is the only app I've seen where the scrollbar is on the left. Konsole lets you put the scrollbar on either side. As does Xfce Terminal. Celejar --

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:04:35PM +, Camaleón wrote: It was promised years ago for KDE 4.x to be able to finally put the scroll bar on the left ... There is even an old bug report for that matter: *** scrollbars on left https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4549 *** Now

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some apps? everywhere Ugh... then dunno. It was promised years ago for KDE 4.x to be able to finally put the scroll bar on the left ... As I mentioned in my other

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread lee
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some apps? everywhere

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:21:43 +0200, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean in the whole KDE

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 01:21 PM, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean in the whole KDE environment or just

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Wayne Topa
On 10/20/2010 06:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/20/2010 01:21 PM, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote: Konsole lets you put the scrollbar on either side. WT how about gnome? im a lefty with a tablet pc and this would be a handy tweak for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 07:52 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Wayne Topalinux...@gmail.com wrote: Konsole lets you put the scrollbar on either side. WT how about gnome? im a lefty As am I, but decades ago I accepted that I'm in the minority and adapted to the

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: man gnome-terminal? at work without access to my debian machine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: man gnome-terminal? and i dont think anyone asked for only gnome-terminal scroll bar placement -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Doug
On 10/20/2010 06:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/20/2010 01:21 PM, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 08:12 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: man gnome-terminal? at work without access to my debian machine http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=man+gnome-terminal -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=man+gnome-terminal yah yah yah, i still dont see where or how gnome terminal will change all application scroll bars to the left side. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 10:49 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=man+gnome-terminal yah yah yah, i still dont see where or how gnome terminal will change all application scroll bars to the left side. Neither did

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Neither did I, when I read the man page... :) ok, so gnome-term has an profile option for it, and iceweasel has a config value for it. there are no global ui changes that can be made then for scroll bars on the left side?

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 11:14 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Neither did I, when I read the man page... :) ok, so gnome-term has an profile option for it, and iceweasel has a config value for it. there are no global ui changes that can

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some apps? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-19 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 20101018200323.gf3...@yun.yagibdah.de, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? Not on my system. Presumably, this would be part of System Settings - General - Appearance - Style. In fact, there are some scrollbar-related

scrollbar on left side

2010-10-18 Thread lee
Hi, is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101018200323