Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-20 Thread deloptes
Johann Spies wrote: This morning my work laptop would not boot. I could not even get to single user mode initially and when I got as far as that I could not type anything on the terminal. I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it. No one is doing upgrades during the week - do it on

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:51:48 +0200 deloptes delop...@yahoo.com wrote: Johann Spies wrote: This morning my work laptop would not boot. I could not even get to single user mode initially and when I got as far as that I could not type anything on the terminal. I suspect some upgrade

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are limits. And that was not

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-01 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: [... (having said what I said, there is not much purpose in repeating it here) ...] In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are limits. And

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course,

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything mission

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:47:45 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms where breakage is

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 09:59:36 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: [A little snip] Over the years I have developed little tricks to smooth over the inevitable rough times in the transition to a new release. This time is different. Before, when I sensed that a pre-release freeze was immanent I would

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: ...snip.. Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is happening in the

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-25 22:33 +0200, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: ...snip.. Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no very, very carefully. If it is important

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 13:33:28 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: ...snip.. Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no very, very carefully. If

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 25 iul 14, 13:33:28, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: ...snip.. Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no very, very carefully. If it is

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 22:14:12 +0100, Brian wrote: It is also at https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no Copy/paste error https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:58:04PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-07-25 22:33 +0200, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: ...snip.. Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read

systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Johann Spies
This morning my work laptop would not boot. I could not even get to single user mode initially and when I got as far as that I could not type anything on the terminal. I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it. In the end I had to search for a windows user who could write me a debian-live cd.

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Furie
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my system and then use something that is less buggy than Debian Testing/Sid. You are, of

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Johann Spies
On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my system and then use

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 24/07/14 14:24, Johann Spies wrote: On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk mailto:t...@furie.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is going to waste my

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 14:24:36 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote: I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years now. I have never experienced anything like this. You are now. :) Look on the bright side; the BTS came

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sharon Kimble
Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com writes: This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to single user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could not type anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it. In the end I had to search for a

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-24 16:18 +0200, Sharon Kimble wrote: Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com writes: This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to single user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could not type anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sharon Kimble
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: On 2014-07-24 16:18 +0200, Sharon Kimble wrote: Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com writes: This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to single user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could not type anything on the

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140724_1411+0100, Brian wrote: On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 14:24:36 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote: I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years now. I have never experienced anything like this. You are now.

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Joe
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:00:05 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 16:45:42 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: You should be able to find them in the journal, see journalctl(1). Note that that systemd clears the boot messages by default when it starts getty, see [2] on how to change that. Cheers,