David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
s. keeling wrote:
I've never run across a CD I couldn't still read, and I've a few old
ones. DVD, I would expect to be even better. For me, tape's good
enough.
Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for
the
On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
After that, use a cleaning disk to clean the heads of the floppy
drive...
I find I have to do this a lot, these days. Floppy drives don't get
used much, so they get packed full of dust.
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On 01/07/08 14:18, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
After that, use a cleaning disk to clean the heads of the floppy drive...
I find I have to do this a lot, these days. Floppy drives don't get
used much, so they get packed full of dust.
I haven't had
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:40:07PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/07/08 14:18, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
After that, use a cleaning disk to clean the heads of the floppy drive...
I find I have to do this a lot, these days. Floppy drives don't
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/05/08 15:16, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
snip
Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old
version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not
those old IBM ones. Go figure.
My wife keeps
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 03:12:31PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD-
Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 08:00:04AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Conclusion:
Disc contains BAD or even readable sectors, put it into trash can!
/Sun Jan 06-07:52:09SDA6# exit
But that is my grub boot CD that I use every day and just yesterday
recreated it.
Well, grub doesn't take
On 01/06/08 09:17, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 08:00:04AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Conclusion:
Disc contains BAD or even readable sectors, put it into trash can!
/Sun Jan 06-07:52:09SDA6# exit
But that is my grub boot CD that I use every day and just yesterday
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/05/08 15:16, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
snip
Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old
version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not
those old IBM ones. Go figure.
On Jan 5, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD-
Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 03:31:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
of all those IBM floppies I can only write to 2
Try a few straight reads to /dev/null just to scrape them clean.
Doug.
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On Jan 6, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 03:31:45PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
of all those IBM floppies I can only write to 2
Try a few straight reads to /dev/null just to scrape them clean.
After that, use a cleaning disk to clean the heads of the
David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling wrote:
I've never run across a CD I couldn't still read, and I've a few
old ones. DVD, I would expect to be even better. For me, tape's
Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for
the obvious reasons --
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:46:11AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Why do you think DLTs are more reliable than optical media or hard
drives? My experience with tapes in general (not DLTs) certainly does
not predispose me towards that view, but I suppose DLTs could be
different.
I've
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
So I guess, for me, only from personal experience, I'd have to say that
the most reliable, longest lived, backup media has to be IBM floppies.
Of course, the 7 GB backup would take 5120 floppies which would more
than pay for a new LTO drive.
Progress.
Yep! And I
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD-
Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch
more, just for fun...
I wonder what cdck would show. It tests not only ability to read
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:43:00AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for
the obvious reasons -- smaller physical bit representations, packed
tighter. Also we don't have as much experience with it, so I take what
information
s. keeling wrote:
David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling wrote:
I've never run across a CD I couldn't still read, and I've a few
old ones. DVD, I would expect to be even better. For me, tape's
Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for
On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD-
Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch
more, just for fun...
I wonder what
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:46:11AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Why do you think DLTs are more reliable than optical media or hard
drives? My experience with tapes in general (not DLTs) certainly does
not predispose me towards that view, but I suppose DLTs could
On 01/05/08 15:00, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
I started this thread on debian-user after a thread on OpenBSD berated
someone for relying on CD/DVDs for backups and archives because they
fade over time.
If that's the concern, why not copy the
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD-
Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch
more, just for fun...
I wonder what cdck would show. It tests not
On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
I started this thread on debian-user after a thread on OpenBSD berated
someone for relying on CD/DVDs for backups and archives because they
fade over time.
If that's the concern, why not copy the archived material to new media
every five
On Jan 5, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:46:11AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old
version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not
those old IBM
On 01/05/08 15:16, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
snip
Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old
version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not
those old IBM ones. Go figure.
My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95
On 01/05/08 15:45, David Brodbeck wrote:
[snip]
My personal experience suggests the old 720K floppies were a lot more
reliable than the 1.44 megabyte ones.
I don't remember seeing many 720K drives or disks. Had a couple in
a cheap NEC laptop from 1987, though.
On Jan 5, 2008 1:16 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95 on those IBM floppies are
still good. Let me give it a try. They are from 1990.
Uuuh, is that so? Windows95 was released on August 24, 1995. I
remember the hype so much from that summer.
On Jan 5, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/05/08 15:00, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
I started this thread on debian-user after a thread on OpenBSD
berated
someone for relying on CD/DVDs for backups and archives because they
fade over
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 03:12:31PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD-
Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 03:30:55PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/05/08 15:16, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95 on those IBM floppies are
still good. Let me give it a try. They are from 1990.
Windows95 on 1990 floppies???
Ain't quantum computing great?
Tapes are still the lowest cost, reliable method for backups and archiving.
I've heard about issues with DLT's but never experienced any problems with
them.
The Travan drives are no longer produced, and they had a poorly designed
spindle/band mechanism that failed within a year in most
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/03/08 20:30, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
One of the threads over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] has gone OT (for them) into
discussing backup media. The concensus there seems to be that tape
(e.g. DLT) is still the best for long-term
On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:38 AM, Larry Irwin wrote:
I've heard about issues with DLT's but never experienced any
problems with them.
I thought DLT was OK when I was using it. It was certainly better
than the DDS/DAT drives it replaced -- those had to be cleaned every
other day, whereas the
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On 01/04/08 10:23, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/03/08 20:30, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
One of the threads over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] has gone OT (for them) into
discussing backup media.
On Fri January 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
So I wasn't trying to denigrate your 7GB of important data, but to
express that, in today's world, tape would be a radically cost-
inefficient means of storing only 7GB.
so, what would be a good method..
say for instance MY system. my /home is 164 Gb,
On 01/04/08 12:24, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
So I wasn't trying to denigrate your 7GB of important data, but to
express that, in today's world, tape would be a radically cost-
inefficient means of storing only 7GB.
so, what would be a good method..
say
Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
So I wasn't trying to denigrate your 7GB of important data, but to
express that, in today's world, tape would be a radically cost-
inefficient means of storing only 7GB.
so, what would be a good method..
say for instance
On Jan 4, 2008, at 2:18 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
You *could* use an X10 computer-controlled power controller and a
couple of appliance modules to put the power to the two external
drives under computer control. Or you could use an independent
external timer (have to have a 48-hour or
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 01/04/08 10:23, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Right. What about things of great sentimental value? E.g. family
photos? What about financial records? Sure 7 GB is chickenfeed. It
So I wasn't trying to denigrate your 7GB of important data, but to
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:12:19AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:38 AM, Larry Irwin wrote:
I would not buy a used tape drive. They're finicky mechanical devices
and you really want a warranty. Every time I've bought a used tape
drive thinking I was getting a good
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:18:11PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
so, what would be a good method..
say for instance MY system. my /home is 164 Gb, with 50 Gb free, so I've
used 110 Gb. Right now I do the rsync to a 500Gb
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 12:04:05PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/04/08 10:23, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/03/08 20:30, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Right. What about things of great sentimental value? E.g. family
photos?
On Friday 04 January 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:12:19AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:38 AM, Larry Irwin wrote:
I would not buy a used tape drive. They're finicky mechanical devices
and you really want a warranty. Every time I've bought
On 01/04/08 20:26, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:18:11PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
so, what would be a good method..
say for instance MY system. my /home is 164 Gb, with 50 Gb free, so I've
used 110
On 01/04/08 20:21, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 12:04:05PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/04/08 10:23, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 01/03/08 20:30, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Right. What about things of great
On 01/04/08 20:30, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:12:19AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:38 AM, Larry Irwin wrote:
I would not buy a used tape drive. They're finicky mechanical devices
and you really want a warranty. Every time I've bought a used
On Jan 4, 2008, at 6:10 PM, s. keeling wrote:
Floppies often became unreadable (when I still used them). I've never
run across a CD I couldn't still read, and I've a few old ones.
I've had one. I left it in a sunny corner of my desk and the dye
layer bleached. I've also had a couple
s. keeling wrote:
I've never
run across a CD I couldn't still read, and I've a few old ones. DVD, I
would expect to be even better. For me, tape's good enough.
Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for
the obvious reasons -- smaller physical bit
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:12:19AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:38 AM, Larry Irwin wrote:
I would not buy a used tape drive. They're finicky mechanical devices
and you really want a warranty. Every time I've bought a used tape
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:18:11PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
hat I think of as minimum acceptable backup is two offline volumes to
accept backups, used alternately. Anything less leaves you with all
copies of your data online and vulnerable at once -- to a
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 04:18:11PM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 4 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
so, what would be a good method..
say for instance MY system. my /home is 164 Gb, with 50 Gb free, so I've
used 110
On Jan 5, 2008, at 12:42 AM, David Brodbeck wrote:
I can't say I've ever had a CD-R that was stored in a cool, dark
place and handled gently fail.
I got curious. So I pulled a couple of CD-Rs from 1997 out of the
desk drawer they've been sitting in for the last 9+ years. They were
One of the threads over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] has gone OT (for them) into
discussing backup media. The concensus there seems to be that tape
(e.g. DLT) is still the best for long-term storage (e.g. archives)
because CD/DVDs fade rather quickly while hard drives get bit rot over the
years and since
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
One of the threads over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] has gone OT (for them) into
discussing backup media. The concensus there seems to be that tape
(e.g. DLT) is still the best for long-term storage (e.g. archives)
because CD/DVDs fade rather quickly while
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:30:57 -0500
Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the threads over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] has gone OT (for them)
into discussing backup media. The concensus there seems to be that
tape (e.g. DLT) is still the best for long-term storage (e.g.
archives) because
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:56:01 -0800
Raquel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:30:57 -0500
Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the threads over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] has gone OT (for them)
into discussing backup media. The concensus there seems to be
that tape
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One of the threads over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] has gone OT (for them) into
discussing backup media. The concensus there seems to be that tape
(e.g. DLT) is still the best for long-term storage (e.g.
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