Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Noah L. Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.16.0251 +0200]: Basically what's happening is that FreeS/WAN very emphatically refuses to accept any contributions from US citizens. I usually support any political statement against the US government, the Patriot Act, etc. because I

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-16 Thread Alan Shutko
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since when is a list header from a known list unreliable? Since people may cc you personally, giving a transit path for a message which does not contain said header. In other words, the reason this subthread exists. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-16 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:31:30AM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since when is a list header from a known list unreliable? Since people may cc you personally, giving a transit path for a message which does not contain said header. In other words,

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.16.1709 +0200]: Then the message was a peronsal message not a list message and thus the filtering on list headers is not unreliable it worked perfectly. Messages to the list end in the list box, messages to me end in a personal box.

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 12:52:11PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Noah L. Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.13.1935 +0200]: Yeah, I'm not too happy about how freeswan is handled right now, either. I just talked to Rene. the 1.99 to 2.0 switch requires a rewrite of the

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Mike Fedyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.15.2304 +0200]: Unfortunately, what they are doing to keep the possibility of the US government trying to take action against them, has caused the mainline kernel developers to refuse to include their work in the mainline kernel. I haven't

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 11:28:30PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Mike Fedyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.15.2304 +0200]: Unfortunately, what they are doing to keep the possibility of the US government trying to take action against them, has caused the mainline kernel developers to

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Mike Fedyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.15.2358 +0200]: If you read the mailing list you'll see many flame wars about this. Also, it was mentioned on LKML before the competing IPsec was merged too. I don't read either anymore. I guess I'll get at the archives when I have some time.

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:02:53AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Mike Fedyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.15.2358 +0200]: If you read the mailing list you'll see many flame wars about this. Also, it was mentioned on LKML before the competing IPsec was merged too. I don't read

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 04:02:42PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: Both messages will be identical except for the Received headers! Procmail should put both in the same place, since if the message is addressed to you, and the list, both messages will have the same contents in To: and Cc:. They will

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 05:17:01PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 04:02:42PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: Both messages will be identical except for the Received headers! Procmail should put both in the same place, since if the message is addressed to you, and the

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Alan Shutko
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not if you sort your mail by list headers rather than unreliable To: or Cc: header lines. Obviously both are unreliable. So sort on both. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Oh boy, I'm supposed to speak Italian. -- Sam Beckett --

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 11:28:30PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Mike Fedyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.15.2304 +0200]: Unfortunately, what they are doing to keep the possibility of the US government trying to take action against them, has caused the mainline kernel developers to

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread John Hasler
Noah L. Meyerhans writes: Basically what's happening is that FreeS/WAN very emphatically refuses to accept any contributions from US citizens. That's utterly asinine. If true it is sufficient reason for me to never use FreeS/WAN. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood,

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 08:12:05PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Noah L. Meyerhans writes: Basically what's happening is that FreeS/WAN very emphatically refuses to accept any contributions from US citizens. That's utterly asinine. If true it is sufficient reason for me to never use

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-15 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 06:46:03PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not if you sort your mail by list headers rather than unreliable To: or Cc: header lines. Obviously both are unreliable. So sort on both. Since when is a list header from a known

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Noah L. Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.13.1935 +0200]: Yeah, I'm not too happy about how freeswan is handled right now, either. I just talked to Rene. the 1.99 to 2.0 switch requires a rewrite of the kernel-patch. Thus it will take a little longer. But there will be a kernel

what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-13 Thread martin f krafft
Rene isn't answering my mails. What happened to the FreeS/WAN kernel patches? kernel-patch-freeswan-ext is gone, and kernel-patch-freeswan is back to 1.96 (with 1.99 being the current version). Moreover, freeswan-modules-source seems to be new. I hope that Debian doesn't expect people to run

Re: what happened to freeswan?

2003-07-13 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 02:59:04PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Rene isn't answering my mails. What happened to the FreeS/WAN kernel patches? kernel-patch-freeswan-ext is gone, and kernel-patch-freeswan is back to 1.96 (with 1.99 being the current version). Moreover, freeswan-modules-source