Hello,
I just my modem up and running on my new linux system. Unfortunately, the
laptop I'm using doesn't have a CD-ROM, so I'm downloading the files off the
net. I just bought a 33.6 modem to help speed things up about(up from a
lowly 14.4). Now, the question I have is this:
1) I have a
Some days ago I posted a mail to debian-user mailing list asking for the
following:
I successfuly installed Debian 1.3.1.r6 and ran pop, poff to connect to my
provider. I would like to use a command that let me choose between several
providers, something like pon atslink or pon dadanet.
I
shaul writes:
Can someone summarize for those who are not on the devel list what they
are arguing about ?
We don't know ourselves! You'll have to read the archives and try to
figure it out.
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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brian White wrote:
Hmmm... As long as we're talking about features... Is there a way to
cycle through visible windows? I have a virtual desktop (as opposed to
multiple desktops) and it would be wonderful if I could cycle between the
visible windows without cycling to
Bruce,
On the Thursday, 19 March 1998 8:00 you said.
but I feel that my mission to
bring free software to the masses really isn't compatible with Debian any
longer, and that I should be working with one of the more mainstream
Linux
distributions.
Your statement
Hi Tristan Day that's you!; unless Mutt is confused, you wrote:
After going through the 'NT OS Loader + Linux mini-HOWTO,' I managed to dual
boot Linux and NT, but only using a boot floppy for Linux. Although I am
pleased that this time I installed Debian it didn't lock me out of NT, I
still
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ian Perry wrote:
Bruce,
On the Thursday, 19 March 1998 8:00 you said.
but I feel that my mission to
bring free software to the masses really isn't compatible with Debian any
longer, and that I should be working with one of the more
Hello,
I am a new user of Debian 1.3.1 (kernel 2.0.29). I am having trouble
mounting my floppy drive in Linux. I have installed linux on my machine
without any floppies and am currently booting it via loadlin. I believe I
need to use the floppy boot disk if i ever want to upgrade my kernel.
Damir wrote:
Hi Alexander Kushnirenko; unless Mutt is confused, you wrote:
Hi, Joey!
If I'm not mistaken gimp version 0.99.21-2 is not in hamm distribution yet.
Sasha.
Actually, you'll have to upgrade the libgtk1 package to at least 0.99.7-4.
This fixed the problem for me
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Bruce Perens wrote:
I would counsel against panic. There are 300 developers, and some of them
are _smart_. Nobody was essential, especially me.
Ok, I tried not to get into this, but I feel the need for some information
on the issue.
I'd like to know if what Remco
alex writes:
we might have 300 developers, but who is going to make sure they all pull
in the same direction.
Nobody is going to *make* us do anything. No one ever has. Someone might
*persuade* us, though.
...the king is dead. long live the king.
...we pledge no truce with kings...
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Richard writes:
I don't know the details of the war that led to Bruce's decision.
There was no war.
My concern is that we have not only lost Bruce, but that the wise
overview, philosophy as embedded in his approach has been lost as well.
Ian Jackson has been our leader for some time now.
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Okay, I'm a complete beginner in Linux and I really need help in trying to
configure the X-windows system. I can't configure the mouse to work at all. I
read on XFree's site that I needed to download the gpm1-13 package and use the
mouseman protocol. Unfortunately, this requires libc6. I
Hi.
I've been trying to come up with a way to display something
in the terminal window that shows a successful ppp connection
when using pon. So far, I have put the following line in the
ip-up script:
echo $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 /dev/ttyp0 (ttyp0 is the first xterm window)
and this works ok, but
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, ' ALLAN W. BART wrote:
is this the end of debian as we know it. i am wondering about this- any
thoughts.
Allan
Well, Bruce is leaving, but Ian is still out there. I think Dale
Scheetz is immersed in his book and the support for it. I don't see his
posts much any more.
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:
I just received a sony dds tape drive for our linux server and
now I would like to do backups of some data.
I have tried with tar but with little success; I can do a
tar cvf /dev/st0 /home and it seems to do the job. But I
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, ' ALLAN W. BART wrote:
is this the end of debian as we know it.
Yo, guys, wake up. There are over 300 Debian developers. There is a project
leader in place who has been there for three months. My presence was not
making that much difference any longer. I made sure things
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can someone summarize for those who are not on the devel list what they are
arguing about ?
I would really prefer that you not drag this out.
One of 300 developers has decided to leave the project. Not necessarily the
smartest one. Maybe the loudest one :-)
It's not
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, DAVID B. TEAGUE wrote:
I don't think one person is vital, but with many who don't want to
market Debian. ... We _are_ going to miss Bruce.
yes. but we *will* survive without him.
btw, there is no one who doesn't want to market debian. there are
many who dont want to
John writes:
alex writes:
we might have 300 developers, but who is going to make sure they all pull
in the same direction.
Nobody is going to *make* us do anything. No one ever has. Someone might
*persuade* us, though.
All right, John. Please, please, tell me how to get Netscape
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ian Perry wrote:
Your statement that free software to the masses really isn't
compatible with Debian is disturbing.
i think he said that it is incompatible with his vision.
I have spent a considerable amount of time over the last four months
investigating and trialling
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, DAVID B. TEAGUE wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Bruce Perens wrote:
There was some question on this list yesterday regarding whether I
would leave Debian. It is indeed true. I will remain as president of
SPI and will redirect SPI's mission to be for all free software
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:
Hi,
I just received a sony dds tape drive for our linux server and
now I would like to do backups of some data.
I have tried with tar but with little success; I can do a
tar cvf /dev/st0 /home and it seems to do the job. But
On 19 Mar 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote:
is this the end of debian as we know it. i am wondering about this- any
thoughts.
No it certainly is not. We have over 300 developers. The loss of
Bruce, though not necessarily a good thing, will not destroy us.
No it certainly is not. We have over 300 developers. The loss of
Bruce, though not necessarily a good thing, will not destroy us.
^^^
who is us? The developers who
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Dave Elliot wrote:
1) I have a 16450 UART in the system, and am wondering if that will support
33.6. If not, what is the top speed available for 16450? I really don't
feel the need to buy a new one(ie:16550A), so I guess I'm stuck with what
I've got.
hi,
But from my
to the people who are using the copy of the xlib6 package from
caliban.lbl.gov. if you have any problems with it, please check to
make sure that /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/X11/locale and
/usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/X11/app-defaults are linked to
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/ and
Well, OK - I'll stick with Debian despite Bruce's departure - for a
while longer. The developers would miss folks like me who ask those
naive questions. You can't be elite if no one notices.
Bruce provided a type of leadership (yes, I know Ian took over some time
ago) that was reassuring to the
Hi,
Us meant the Debian community, developers and users together.
manoj
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Hi,
master.debian.org has the official xlib6 now; I suspect that
the mirrors should have it soon (today?)
manoj
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Alex == Alex Romosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No it certainly is not. We have over 300 developers. The loss of
Bruce, though not necessarily a good thing, will not destroy us.
^^^ who is us? The developers who caused Bruce to leave? or the
users ??
The Debian community, of
Alex of course it is the developers. as some of them made it quite
Alex clear in their messages they couldn't care less about the
Alex users. too bad.
That was uncalled for. Debian has always tried to be friendly
to the users (though repsonses like this do make me wonder why)
my
Hi,
We shall ship 3.3.2. Mark agreeed to do that, unfortunately,
as you have noticed, getting this done takes huge amounts of time ;-)
Mark si also the emacs maintainer, and we also need emacs19 from him
I do apologize for the mess the archive is in (we just
upgraded to a new
I'd like to respond to some of the feelings of apprehension people
may be feeling right now, with Bruce leaving, and possibly infected
by the completely unrelated problems with hamm at this moment.
Regarding the state of hamm, (and this is the easy one), the freeze
didn't come off quite
Hi,
Alex == Alex Romosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alex my apologies. and speaking of real jobs, us, non-developers have
Alex real jobs too (but it's only 1:30am here in california). i am
Alex trying to do my part to help with debian (answering questions on
Alex the lists, helping friends and
i just finished building xlib 3.3.2-0 (as i like to call it). it's
basically the old package, with some of the bugs fixed (not all) + the
patches to take it from revision 3.3.1 to 3.3.2. maybe i can help with
building the official version?
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Hi,
Richard == Richard Sevenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard Well, OK - I'll stick with Debian despite Bruce's departure -
Richard for a while longer. The developers would miss folks like me
Richard who ask those naive questions. You can't be elite if no one
Richard notices.
Hmm.
Hi,
George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
George So far I would say that under the circumstances, the
George developers did a nice job. There are some rough edges but
George there was also considerable pressure to get nearly everything
George rebuilt for glibc. Nice job, folks! I am
manoj wrote:
Hmm. Elitism is not really a strong motivating force for
me. Sharing with what I percive to be my community is. People asking
questions is good: for people who ask questions shall one day be
contributors to the community. Developers did not spring to this
earth tapping code
Hi,
Please send mail to Mark; he may well appreciate the help.
manoj
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Hi,
Alex == Alex Romosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alex but this is not really what you said a few days ago. to quote:
Yes, I did say that, didn't I?
Manoj The thing that drives us is that we feel a sense of community
Manoj with people like us, who are like minded enough and have made
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Paul Bernays wrote:
Okay, I'm a complete beginner in Linux and I really need help in trying
to configure the X-windows system. I can't configure the mouse to work
at all.
What have you tried to do? Did you run XF86Setup (included in the package
xserver-vga16)? The
Hi,
I've got a 3com fast etherlink XL, connected to a dedicated 100base-T
link.
I've been told that the card should autosence the speed of the line, and
use the appropriate speed.
What I'm conserned about is that when I run ifconfig, the following line
seems to indicate that it is running at
A question.
Does anybody know how Debian handels with the Intel PRO PROCESOR. If you
know then please mail me.
Thanks and bye.
Matej
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i've been running debian on an intel pentium pro 200 for the last year
or so, without any problems. it's time to upgrade though.
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okay, i have a no-so-major problem and it may have been discussed before,
however, i just subscribed to the list so forgive me if i am being
redundant...
anyways, on 3/19/98, i ran dselect in order to update my Debian 2.0 (hamm)
system...everything has been kosher up until this point. i noticed
can you try making a symlink from /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/X11/locale
to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/, i.e. do
ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/ locale
in the /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/X11 directory. same goes for
app-defaults (instead of locale). let me know if this fixes the
problem.
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woohoo!! :)
hey alex, much thanks...now since you fixed it, can you tell me how and why
it broke?
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Alex Romosan wrote:
--can you try making a symlink from /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/X11/locale
--to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/, i.e. do
--
--ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/
this is actually a bug against the xlib6 package. the files were
simply never included in the package. for this reason the xlib6
package got thrown out of the distribution (but it is making its way
back, form what i hear). anyway, i am almost ready with my version of
3.3.2 (and then i need to go
Im Article [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If I have to make my own cd image, can anyone point me to some instructions?
Or tell me how they did it? Or what to watch out for?
there is a special debian-cd-Package for this task, located in
main/admin/debian-cd_1.0.0.deb (8742 bytes, Aug 25 1997)
On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:10:26AM -0600, Alex Romosan wrote:
of course it is the developers. as some of them made it quite clear in
their messages they couldn't care less about the users. too bad.
I think you've confused motivation with lack of caring. While a developer
may work on Debian for
On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 12:33:58AM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote:
I'd like to know if what Remco Blaakmeer mentioned is indeed the problem
point, namely the fact that the developers are more interested in
developing a great hacker system and not a general purpose user system
and, if so, I'd
This is coming from an end-user of Debian:
I wish I had the ability and time to contribute more directly to
Debian. However, I can contribute this response to some of the
concerns I have seen on this mailing list.
Debian by far is the most rock solid Linux distribution I have used
(used
Alex and then there is that ugly word: outsiders.
And yes, there are always outsiders. When you have a
community, unless it encompasses all humanity, there are always
outsiders. People who do not get freedom of software. People who
And those who get this freedom differently (like
At 09:24 AM 3/20/98 -0500, James D. Freels wrote:
This is coming from an end-user of Debian:
I wish I had the ability and time to contribute more directly to
Debian. However, I can contribute this response to some of the
concerns I have seen on this mailing list.
Debian by far is the most rock
On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 09:24:07AM -0500, James D. Freels wrote:
In my mind several factors stand out about Debian:
(1) The stable version is stable (really runs for days, months, years,
etc.). The MTBF becomes tied to hardware failures (hard drives being
the most vulnerable) not software.
This is my first post, and I hope I can be forgiven if I'm not supposed to
send mail directly to this address (and also if it's too long) -- but I
couldn't find anything that said otherwise on the Debian site. I'm also
well aware of the documentation already on the Debian site regarding PPP,
Yes, I'm a moron. I subscribed via the website and then sent a message to
debian-user and debian-isp. I *then* went into my inbox and saw that I had
to confirm my subscription before I would be added to the list, which I did
-- but that also prompted me to wonder whether my posts would have
At the risk of getting flamed for too many messages in a half-hour period
:), I figured I should let you know that I've already received more than
one confirmation that my message went through. I'm still looking for any
input you have about my PPP problem, but I no longer need confirmation that
Hi,
Michael == Michael Acklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael The first few message I received caused me to rethink my
Michael decision on Debian, as looked like some thing or someone had
Michael quit or the project was going down hill. I thought maybe I
Michael should look at Red Hat or
Hi,
I have read the PPP-HOWTO and README.debian.gz and also the Debian User Book
and no use. Maybe I'm so dumb that I cannot compile what you guys are writing
there. I WIn95 it was so easy to make a ppp connection ... 8-(
The only thing I was able to do was to connect to my phone to my ISP
david writes:
Well, Bruce is leaving, but Ian is still out there.
And is our leader, and has been for quite some time.
Who are the Debian officers?
Debian has little in the way of formal organization. We are addressing
that right now: we are discussing a draft constitution proposed by Ian.
Hi,
I have also had some problems with my mouse. Even that I'm a novice in Linux,
maybe this helps:
Using the XF86Setup I have choosed the MouseSystem mouse with ClearDTR. This
way my mouse works very well and I can use all the 3 buttons of it. Other
problem that I have had was that, if I have
Art writes:
All right, John. Please, please, tell me how to get Netscape going
when it complains:
locale C not supported and about the $XNLSPATH not being sufficient
to find the config files.
and/or
the gimp: error in loading.../usr/lib/libgdk.so.1...undefined symbol:
XListInputDevices
Luiz Otavio L Zorzella writes:
Here it goes.
It comes from: http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma/
I translated the most important items: 2, 3 and 7.
Well, folks.
I don't know about you, but I tried. And tryed. And tryed.
All I can get is, after the Blue Screen with the Windows logo, the
message
I also got one page of documentation from my provider (which is all the
support for Linux they provide, of course), which told me to edit six files
(hosts, host.conf, resolv.conf, hosts.deny, hosts.allow, and
ppp/pap-secrets). Having done all of the above, I'm getting no
connectivity
Well, with all the bickering about Bruce's departure and comments on
marketing, I realized something. It would be really nice if there was a larger
debian user base. DUH! Right? Well, I'm still mr newbie with my own linux
stuff and took a chance on debian becasue of the boot magazine articel and
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ionut Borcoman wrote:
Using the XF86Setup I have choosed the MouseSystem mouse with ClearDTR. This
way my mouse works very well and I can use all the 3 buttons of it.
If you buy a cheap Logitech or Genius mouse, those are only slightly more
expensive than the
Yep, I lied. I thought I had posted my last message of the day, but there
has been an outpouring of requests for the loggin surrounding my PPP
problem. I concede that I should have included it in my original posting.
There have also been requests for my config files. As I've explained to
Mike,
(and everyone on the list)Sorry for the me too letter, but I have to
give my kudos to the entire Debian community. Having used Linux since
1991 on a 386sx 16 with kernel build .99, and having tried Slackware,
Redhat, Caldera, Turbo Linux, and lastly Debian, I must echo James's
sentiments
On Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 01:43:53PM +0100, Bujtar Janos wrote:
Today my debian hamm started to fail when i want to see a man page
Every time i want to see man pages (any!!!) the result is core dumped.
Stracing the man the last message is Updating index cache for path..
I had the same
On Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 01:45:36PM -0500, Peter Galbraith wrote:
hello and thank you for replying to my message. Can you explain to me on
how to use it. thanks again.
$ xv
- right click in xv window to get control panel window to appear.
- click on grab button to make `xv grab'
The amanda package on the debian web site in incomplete. Besides
amanda-server and amanda-client, amanda-common is also needed for the
configuration to take place. Can someone put amanda-common on the ftp site
?
Also the packages file in unstable/contrib/binary-i386 is of size 0
bytes. When
It seems xv canot grab root window. When I have to grab root window, I use to
It sure can. Just left-click on a root window.
Alex Y.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 09:24:07AM -0500, James D. Freels wrote:
In my mind several factors stand out about Debian:
(1) The stable version is stable (really runs for days, months, years,
etc.). The MTBF becomes tied to hardware failures (hard drives being
the most vulnerable) not
[EMAIL PROTECTED](Alex Yukhimets) writes:
I also got one page of documentation from my provider (which is all the
support for Linux they provide, of course), which told me to edit six files
(hosts, host.conf, resolv.conf, hosts.deny, hosts.allow, and
ppp/pap-secrets). Having done all of
Ionut Borcoman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
===ppp.chatscript==
ABORTBUSY
ABORTNO CARRIER
ABORTVOICE
ABORT NO DIALTONE
ATF\r
OK ATDP2221479\r
ogin _my_account_\r
word \q_my_password_\q
You
Hello there!
Here at JD-WEB I'm using procmail as the local delivery agent within
sendmail 8.8.5 on Debian 1.3.x with quotas enabled and in effect. I've
found that procmail won't deliver (a.k.a. will bounce) a mail if it would
put the user over soft quota.
Is it me, or is this an odd
On Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 08:07:29PM -0800, Steven Morrill wrote:
Does anyone know if one of the newer versions of Pgp (like 5.0 or
so...) has been complied with RSA key support for Debian?
pgp5i-5.0 has backwards-compatible support for RSA keys. However,
the i there means it
I've used alien to convert the RPM for RH Motif 2.1 to .deb Looking at the
listing for files for lesstif and RH Motif 2.1 I see that if I install RH
over lesstif it will overwrite some of the files that lesstif provides.
Should I just remove lesstif and go with RH Motif? Would apps like
Is there a reason why I can't telnet normally to the router?
I don't get a login prompt when I first connect but only after 3 or
more minutes? even if a ps -ex show that in.telnetd is there
Actually, it's 150 seconds - or 2.5 minutes - however you look at it.
The reason for the problem is
I've used alien to convert the RPM for RH Motif 2.1 to .deb Looking at the
listing for files for lesstif and RH Motif 2.1 I see that if I install RH
over lesstif it will overwrite some of the files that lesstif provides.
Should I just remove lesstif and go with RH Motif? Would apps like
I don't know, but it seems there would be a way to set the 150 second
timeout to something else -- if nothing else, modifying the kernel.
john
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On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Kevin Traas wrote:
Is there a reason why I can't telnet normally to the router?
I don't get a login prompt when I first connect but only after 3 or
more minutes? even if a ps -ex show that in.telnetd is there
Actually, it's 150 seconds - or 2.5 minutes - however you
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Kevin Traas wrote:
The reason for the problem is that telnet (and ftp, etc.) try to do a
reverse name lookup on the IP address of the incoming connection. There are
lots of ways to get around this problem, but I've idea on how to stop this
lookup from happening.
***IF
Beeing busy to write a programm I would like to add a routine
that forces it to shut down orderly (closing files etc.) when
recieving a SIGTERM from the system, because the program itself
is doing work that will keep it going for months at least.
Can somone tell me of already existing programs
There is a C routine called atexit which I believe is ANSI. You might
check that. That routine is called when the program exits. For sig
catching check out Unix programming or something like that by W.
Richard Stevens. Great book.
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How can you
You can solve the problem by adding the ip and *any* hostname to /etc/hosts
on the box you're connecting to. This wil allow the IP to be resolved (even
if wrongly...). (This solution won't for my situation - thus my
headline/cry-for-help above)
It looks to me (though I could be
On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:36:27PM +0100, Wojciech Zabolotny wrote:
One must be aware of security hole which may be created by runing the
display or xv from Xsetup_0 (it will run with root uid !).
On my machine I use the xmessage for this purpose, which is much safer...
(I hope :-).
As the
$ zcat /usr/doc/xisp/README.gz | grep -B3 xform
string 'BUSY'. To compile and install the package you need a properly
installed X11R6 or newer, as well as the forms library (XForms GUI by
T.C. Zhao and Mark Overmars) with version 0.86 or later. You can get a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Romosan) wrote on 20.03.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
No it certainly is not. We have over 300 developers. The loss of
Bruce, though not necessarily a good thing, will not destroy us.
^^^
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Mashao) wrote on 20.03.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Bruce will sorely be missed by us. His departure will indeed make people
re-evaluate whether Debian is stable enough to operate or one should
indeed be looking for products controlled in the Red Hat manner.
May I point
Joost wrote:
Did you use the wrapper package to install Netscape? It has all the proper
depends on packages that Netscape needs and makes that chance that
Netscape crashes minimal. The installer also tells you what to set
XNLSPATH to.
It did not tell me this. How can I set the
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