inetd vs. inetutils-inetd

2003-11-15 Thread Monique Y. Herman
I returned from vacation today and upgraded my unstable box. After doing so, I could no longer connect to my newsserver on localhost. After some poking around, I discovered that I had both /etc/init.d/inetd and /etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd, both of which were running. I killed all related

Sociological question about Debian, GNU, and Linux

2003-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
The recent discussions of Red Hat's change of policy got me thinking about the larger issue of what makes the Debian, GNU, and Linux communities work? Yes, I have read lots of opinions, but I wonder if anyone knows of some proper academic people studies, the sort of thing that might legitimately

Re: dvd ripping tools

2003-11-15 Thread Micha Feigin
On Friday 14 November 2003 08:02, csj wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40:11 +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 17:23, Kevin Coyner wrote: I need to (legimately) rip a few 30 sec clips from some DVD's where I truly own the rights. The 30 sec clips will be used on our

Aptitude

2003-11-15 Thread K Lowe
Dear Debian Users, I installed Debian 3.0r0 from a CD set onto a reformatted hard disk (hdb) which involved, among others, the following procedures:- (1) Did not chose tasksel. (2) Did not chose dselect. (3) Used apt-get to install aptitude. (4) Used aptitude to install xserver-s3. (5) Used

Conexant HCF modem driver for Debian 3.0r0 i386

2003-11-15 Thread K Lowe
Dear Debian Users, I have just installed Debian 3.0r0 (Woody) for the first time. So far I am very impressed with this Linux distribution, especially the software package management system. However, I seek assistance with regards to a 56k internal modem. I would be most grateful if someone

gagging - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Vikki Roemer wrote: ..sure, but Vikki also plans to sell customized boxes. On these, I would sell Sarge. And charge extra for anything else. ... If the customer *insisted* on (*gag*) RH or Mandrake or something, I would definitely charge extra. be prepared to

Re: Debian for enterprise

2003-11-15 Thread Jesse Meyer
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Robert Soricone wrote: A computer network, that is currently using RedHat, is interested in migrating to another distribution. Preferably, by April 30 2004. *Looks into crystal ball* I predict that you are using Redhat 9. [RH9 end of life is on that day. RH7.x and

Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

2003-11-15 Thread Jesse Meyer
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Justin Burke wrote: Hi All, I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both installation methods hang at the same point: Loading kernel modules Detected module

snd-card-es18xx.o

2003-11-15 Thread Perro
Hi, I have a Debian Woody (2.4.18-bf2.4) over a Compaq Presario 1267. I'm fighting to install my soundcard with no success :( I know that the correct module is snd-card-es18xx.o which I downloaded form the Internet but all versions are for a previous kernel... please thow some light to this

Re: OT yahoo messenger for Woody

2003-11-15 Thread David Selby
David Selby wrote: OK this is a bit OT but I am stuck. I am trying to get Yahoo messenger working on woody. Apparently the package is for woody. http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html I installed it with dpkg -i, it did not show any dependency problems, when I run it I get:

Re: mailfilter: installing under Debian

2003-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
tags 217452 + wontfix thanks Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging by my own experience and posts on debian-user, it is not obvious how to set up mailfilter properly on Debian. It would be good to document this, or even to add it to the setup scripts. I am not sure to what extent it

Re: Conexant HCF modem driver for Debian 3.0r0 i386

2003-11-15 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello K Lowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dear Debian Users, I have just installed Debian 3.0r0 (Woody) for the first time. So far I am very impressed with this Linux distribution, especially the software package management system. However, I seek assistance with regards to a 56k internal

Re: Faked Browser with Mozilla Firebird

2003-11-15 Thread Lance Simmons
* Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031115 17:30]: But I can't find the place to change UserAgentString in Mfirebird. Where is it? I think it's one of the extensions you can download and install. -- Lance Simmons signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 13:59 Subject: Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]] On Sat, 15 Nov

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:23:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: compared to the taliban and the islamists, I cannot believe you are acusing *US* of advocating a theocracy. talk about head up the ass. We're not a whole lot better. Remember the cold war and

Re: Theoretical APT question

2003-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:01:42PM -0800, Wm.G.McGrath wrote: Hi, Is there any way I can reset the directory/partition that apt uses to install software? I believe it currently install packages under /usr... and /var The history of *nix is very diverse and reflected in the

Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread James Hosken
Hi I need to upgrade woody's kernel to 2.4.x so that I can run my Matrox G550 graphics card. Please can some one point me in the right direction of some instructions or send me some. The Kernal howto has been removed from debian.org. I'm using lilo, so what do I need to do to that after I have

Re: What is required to deliver system mail locally ???

2003-11-15 Thread Michael D Schleif
Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:11:15:18:34:36+0100] scribed: Hello Jacob S. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:27:28 -0600 Michael D Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have rerun eximconf, and told it to use option #4, that this computer is *not*

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: Alfredo Valles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 14:02 Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]] On Saturday 15 November 2003 2:30 pm, Vikki

Re: Aptitude

2003-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:53:31PM +, K Lowe wrote: Dear Debian Users, I installed Debian 3.0r0 from a CD set onto a reformatted hard disk (hdb) which involved, among others, the following procedures:- (1) Did not chose tasksel. (2) Did not chose dselect. (3) Used apt-get to install

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:57:21PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:23:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: compared to the taliban and the islamists, I cannot believe you are acusing *US* of advocating a theocracy. talk about head up the ass. We're not a whole lot better.

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 15:18 Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]] On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 09:08:07AM -0600, Hoyt

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:54:15AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: I wonder if, in some ways, the US isn't too big/diverse to be led by any one person, and distinctive personalities can only emerge on the state level. I've wondered how Canada ended up

Re: How to use ssh tunnel to reach a machine on a private network?

2003-11-15 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Oliver Elphick wrote: I wonder if anyone can help me work out how to do this, please: I have two private networks (192.168.1.0/24) each with a firewall machine connecting through ADSL to the Internet. Each private network can reach the Internet through the firewall (using NAT); therefore no

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:08:58PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 15:18 Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends

LILO help please

2003-11-15 Thread stan
I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main workstation. I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partioned it, adn restored all of the files from an amanda backup.

100

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Re: Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread Alec Berryman
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 20:08, James Hosken wrote: Please can some one point me in the right direction of some instructions or send me some. The Kernal howto has been removed from debian.org. Sorry for hitting the trigger early last time. I'm doing this now - check out

Re: Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread Alec Berryman
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 20:08, James Hosken wrote: Hi I need to upgrade woody's kernel to 2.4.x so that I can run my Matrox G550 graphics card. Please can some one point me in the right direction of some instructions or send me some. The Kernal howto has been removed from debian.org. I'm

Updated fqdn2domain -- Re: Swen reporting scripts

2003-11-15 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:54:25PM +, Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:03:06AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: I've prepared a couple of scripts which I'm using to report swen headers and body to originating ISPs. - Scripts work on directory-based mail

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread ben
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:03:44 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [big snip] Inherently violent society? No, can't be, because the US didn't used to be violent. Maybe there was a latently violent tendency (that's not present in many other societies) just waiting for soci- etal

Re: Theoretical APT question

2003-11-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:01:42PM -0800, Wm. G. McGrath wrote: Is there any way I can reset the directory/partition that apt uses to install software? I believe it currently install packages under /usr... and /var Debian packages aren't relocatable, I'm afraid. Their maintainer scripts

Re: LILO help please

2003-11-15 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 at 01:41 GMT, stan penned: I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main workstation. I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partioned it,

Re: LILO help please

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, stan wrote: I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main workstation. I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partioned it, adn

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 18:21, Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 13:59 Subject: Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 21:06, ben wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:03:44 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [big snip] Inherently violent society? No, can't be, because the US didn't used to be violent. Maybe there was a latently violent tendency (that's not present in many other

Re: Debian for enterprise

2003-11-15 Thread ben
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:24:52 -0600 Jesse Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] =[CON]=== == Debian-stable (the branch you want to be using for servers) tends to be several months to a year behind the bleeding edge. This bothers

tulip

2003-11-15 Thread paul valley
Hi all: I will be leaving M$ :-[ behind soon and installing debian :-) :-) :-) however theres a problem i need to address on two fronts First i have fjound that i have a linksys pci nic which means i have the tulip driver :-( A how can i install this with minimal fuss because the second half

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:59:18PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [massive snip] It seems to me that a fundamental problem with this (common) viewpoint is that guns have *always* been common in the US. Something has happened, though, to alter peoples' value of life. In 1981, when I graduated high

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 19:28, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:54:15AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: I wonder if, in some ways, the US isn't too big/diverse to be led by any one person, and distinctive personalities can only emerge

Re: KDE desktop sharing through router

2003-11-15 Thread Paul William
setup a vnc server on your desktop and then forward the vnc port (port forwarding) thought your router to your desktop. If this does not make sense search google from vnc and do another search for port forwarding On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 11:03, Trey Sizemore wrote: I want to use the KDE Desktop

Re: Virus from german Debian Mirror ?

2003-11-15 Thread Paul William
email the debian ftpmaster. Find his email address on debian.org On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 12:28, Joachim Baumann wrote: Hi, when installing a Debian today from CDs all seemed well until we installed two additional packages using a mirror (zlib-dev and jpeg-something). We also updated the

Re: tulip

2003-11-15 Thread Kent West
paul valley wrote: Hi all: I will be leaving M$ :-[ behind soon and installing debian :-) :-) :-) however theres a problem i need to address on two fronts First i have fjound that i have a linksys pci nic which means i have the tulip driver :-( A how can i install this with minimal fuss

Re: odd df results

2003-11-15 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor
QUOTING JEFFREY L. TAYLOR [EMAIL PROTECTED]: QUOTING JEFFREY L. TAYLOR [EMAIL PROTECTED]: QUOTING RON JOHNSON [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ON TUE, 2003-11-11 AT 19:44, JEFFREY L. TAYLOR WROTE: QUOTING RON JOHNSON [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ON TUE, 2003-11-11 AT 17:14, JEFFREY L. TAYLOR WROTE: I

Smart-Card based Security

2003-11-15 Thread techlists
I have a Smart-Card reader, and I am wanting to set up a smart-card based login security. Where a user must insert a smart-card to login successfully. Does anyone have any experience with something like this? Are there any projects that deal with this sort of thing? Wayne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: KDE desktop sharing through router

2003-11-15 Thread Alec Berryman
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 11:27, Paul William wrote: setup a vnc server on your desktop and then forward the vnc port (port forwarding) thought your router to your desktop. If this does not make sense search google from vnc and do another search for port forwarding On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 11:03,

Re: Smart-Card based Security

2003-11-15 Thread Wesley J Landaker
On Saturday 15 November 2003 8:48 pm, techlists wrote: I have a Smart-Card reader, and I am wanting to set up a smart-card based login security. Where a user must insert a smart-card to login successfully. Does anyone have any experience with something like this? Are there any projects

OT: Linux 2.6.0-test9 Running for 24 hours!

2003-11-15 Thread Loren M Lang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just recently install a test kernel for linux 2.6 and I've had it running solid for 24 hours running in X!!! Sorry, but just had to let out the excitement as this is the first time I've ever tried running any kernel that was not considered an

Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:41:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vikki Roemer) wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:48:33PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doubly so with the whole Fedora fiasco (which is one of the reasons why I am no longer a RHAT shareholder). Sorry

Software Patents

2003-11-15 Thread Loren M Lang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm preparing a pursuasive speech against software patents for my class and I'm looking for information on patents that have had the biggest impact to inhibit the use of software like the patent on the lzw compression used in gif or the patent on

Re: gagging - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:06:50 -0800 (PST), Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Vikki Roemer wrote: ..booo, Alvin. ..and I??? ;-) ..sure, but Vikki also plans to sell customized boxes. On these, I would sell Sarge. And charge

Re: Software Patents

2003-11-15 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:57:32PM -0800, Loren M Lang wrote: I'm preparing a pursuasive speech against software patents for my class and I'm looking for information on patents that have had the biggest impact to inhibit the use of software like the patent on the lzw compression used in gif

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread ben
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:11:02 -0800 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:59:18PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [massive snip] It seems to me that a fundamental problem with this (common) viewpoint is that guns have *always* been common in the US. Something has happened,

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:05:35AM +, ben wrote: there is definitely a huge gap between how one imagines something to be and to witness the actual event of the same. you're absolutely right, and to shock people into civility might not be a bad idea; one which might be the reason why the

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0800, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:12:34PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: That movie's writer/director, Michael Moore, *hates* people who don't agree

Re: Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread Bob Proulx
James Hosken wrote: I need to upgrade woody's kernel to 2.4.x so that I can run my Matrox G550 graphics card. I assume this means you are running a linux 2.2 kernel then? That is, sounds like you had not previously customized your kernel? Just using a 2.2 and now want to install 2.4? In that

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:52:00 -0800, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The whole reason nobody likes America is we are all the people in the world who told the rest of ya to fuck off, we're leaving :-) ..uhmmm, you lift off firing all those nice siloed nukes? Have a

Re: tulip

2003-11-15 Thread Bob Proulx
Kent West wrote: edit /etc/modules and add the single line: tulip Reboot (not strictly necessary, but easy to do to accomplish what needs to be done). Since you are adding new hardware it is okay to reboot. :-) But alternatively just load the module. modprobe tulip Yet another

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:48:25 +0800, David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:52:43 -0500 TR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not often that I agree with Tom. Should I be worried? Holy crap! I would! Be afraid. Be very

Debugging IMAP

2003-11-15 Thread moseley
I'm trying to look at the commands mutt is sending to my imap server. Specifically, I want to see why when I use ~h to look for a reply-to header mutt is fetching the entire message. The last of these three lines is causing mutt to fetch the entire message, instead of just the message header:

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread cr
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:01, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:08, cr wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:06, Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:41, ScruLoose wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 02:09:27PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 12:41, [EMAIL

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:29:02 -0600, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 13:17, Alfredo Valles wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 11:23 pm, Tom wrote: [snip] That is, the outcome was indeterminate. So anybody else who could have

Re: gagging - dual-boot - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Arnt Karlsen wrote: 80% - 90% of the extra charge will be for some flavor of windoze if people are buying 20-30 systems at a time with Win2K installs at $200each (and upwards) ... than we just *gag* and build it for um .. - dual boot- windoze + linux + some

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:49:50 -0600, Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Alfredo Valles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 14:02 Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining --

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:44, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:52:00 -0800, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The whole reason nobody likes America is we are all the people in the world who told the rest of ya to fuck off, we're leaving :-) ..uhmmm,

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread ScruLoose
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:49:28PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 04:51, csj wrote: I have never owned a gun and I haven't shot anyone either. Cultural differences I guess. In most other countries,

media -- Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong --

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya changed the subj again :-) On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Tom wrote: The reality is 100% of the hard-core graphic violence you see on TV is absolutely fake and is not even *remotely* close to the reality of what a gun does to a human body. An actual shotgun blast is 10,000,000 times

Re: inetd vs. inetutils-inetd

2003-11-15 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 22:12, Monique Y. Herman wrote: ... So far so good. I poked through /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, and no one there claims to know anything about /usr/sbin/inetd, which is the app called by /etc/init.d/inetd. I'm 99% sure that it must have arrived as part of a package, so

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:06:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:41, ScruLoose wrote: Well, when you look at the US figures on firearm-related fatalities being up in the tens of thousands per year... compared to (for example) Canada with a couple of hundred per year

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:21:55AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: Great theory. Shame it's such a dismal failure in practice. People have been getting disappeared lately in The States. Somebody whispers terrorist and you get the midnight arrest, conviction in a completely secret tribunal, family

Re: alternative to mrproject (gnome project planner)

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:37:51 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I wish to use a project program to manage my dissertation. I need to be able to create and update GANTT charts.

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-15 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:10:25AM +0100, Florian Ernst wrote: Hello 'ScruLoose'! Howdy, Flo! On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:13:31PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: I wonder whether the .muttrc is flexible enough to support something like looking for known list addresses when you hit r, and giving you

Re: inetd vs. inetutils-inetd

2003-11-15 Thread Michael D Schleif
Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:11:15:15:12:02-0700] scribed: I returned from vacation today and upgraded my unstable box. After doing so, I could no longer connect to my newsserver on localhost. After some poking around, I discovered that I had both /etc/init.d/inetd and

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 00:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:49:50 -0600, Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Alfredo Valles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003

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