[HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour, Le jeudi 09 octobre 2014 à 22:11, Christophe a écrit : Par la même occasion, les chemins utilisés pour l'inclusion du javascript diffèrent dans quasi toutes les applications que j'ai pu voir. Question purement rhétorique : une norme existe pour cela ?. Je n'ai jamais creusé la

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Vincent Besse
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:36:36 +0200 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Tu inclus dans ta page une URL « jquery-version.js » et tu demandes au serveur Web de lui affecter une validité infinie (dans la pratique ~100 ans). Le navigateur ne demandera plus jamais ce fichier et le

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Philippe Gras
Le 10 oct. 14 à 11:58, Vincent Besse a écrit : On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:36:36 +0200 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Tu inclus dans ta page une URL « jquery-version.js » et tu demandes au serveur Web de lui affecter une validité infinie (dans la pratique ~100 ans). Le

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le vendredi 10 octobre 2014 à 11:58, Vincent Besse a écrit : Au risque de dire une grosse ânerie, je suis pas développeur web, est-ce que du coup le navigateur ne va pas garder en cache ad vitam aeternam (~100 ans) des versions obsolètes de ladite bibliothèque à chaque changement de version?

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le vendredi 10 octobre 2014 à 13:56, Philippe Gras a écrit : Au risque de dire une grosse ânerie, je suis pas développeur web, est-ce que du coup le navigateur ne va pas garder en cache ad vitam aeternam (~100 ans) des versions obsolètes de ladite bibliothèque à chaque changement de version?

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Philippe Gras
Le 10 oct. 14 à 14:27, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Le vendredi 10 octobre 2014 à 13:56, Philippe Gras a écrit : Au risque de dire une grosse ânerie, je suis pas développeur web, est-ce que du coup le navigateur ne va pas garder en cache ad vitam aeternam (~100 ans) des versions obsolètes de

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Vincent Besse
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:56:27 +0200 Philippe Gras ph.g...@worldonline.fr wrote: Au risque de dire une grosse ânerie, je suis pas développeur web, est-ce que du coup le navigateur ne va pas garder en cache ad vitam aeternam (~100 ans) des versions obsolètes de ladite bibliothèque à chaque

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Vincent Besse
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:59:17 +0200 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Le vendredi 10 octobre 2014 à 11:58, Vincent Besse a écrit : Au risque de dire une grosse ânerie, je suis pas développeur web, est-ce que du coup le navigateur ne va pas garder en cache ad vitam aeternam (~100

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le vendredi 10 octobre 2014 à 14:53, Vincent Besse a écrit : Je connais pas précisément la politique d'expiration du cache (qui de plus varie d'un navigateur à l'autre), mais oui, il y a un risque. Alors puisqu' on est vendredi et [HS], la question se permet quelque sournoiserie: puisqu'

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Vincent Besse
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:12:09 +0200 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Le vendredi 10 octobre 2014 à 14:53, Vincent Besse a écrit : Je connais pas précisément la politique d'expiration du cache (qui de plus varie d'un navigateur à l'autre), mais oui, il y a un risque. Alors

Re: [HS] Numéros de version dans les URL (Re: libjs-jquery, fichier jquery.min.js non minifié. Est-ce un bug ?)

2014-10-10 Thread Philippe Gras
Le 10 oct. 14 à 15:25, Vincent Besse a écrit : On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:12:09 +0200 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Le vendredi 10 octobre 2014 à 14:53, Vincent Besse a écrit : Je connais pas précisément la politique d'expiration du cache (qui de plus varie d'un navigateur à

Re: Problemas de enmascaramiento de una Lan usando SNAT con iptables, sin poder navegar

2014-10-10 Thread fernando sainz
El día 10 de octubre de 2014, 5:07, Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl do...@hotmail.com escribió: Que tal a todos.. buen dia... nuevamente recurro a la comunidad para saber si alguien de uds me da un norte ya que le he buscado las patas al gato y no los encuentro, esta vez se trata de que tengo una

Re: Thunar no reconoce correctamente algunos los mime types (PDF, OpenDocument e Imágenes)

2014-10-10 Thread Rivera Valdez
Probablemente no sea lo que pretendías, pero ¿y si usas otro gestor de archivos, como PCManFM (que es muy simple y liviano) o SpaceFM (que aunque congelado sigue funcionando sin problemas)? 2014-10-09 15:54 GMT-03:00 jEsuSdA 8) lis...@jesusda.com: El 09/10/14 a las 20:41, Raúl Armenta escribió:

Re: Thunar no reconoce correctamente algunos los mime types (PDF, OpenDocument e Imágenes)

2014-10-10 Thread jEsuSdA 8)
El 10/10/14 a las 09:57, Rivera Valdez escribió: Probablemente no sea lo que pretendías, pero ¿y si usas otro gestor de archivos, como PCManFM (que es muy simple y liviano) o SpaceFM (que aunque congelado sigue funcionando sin problemas)? Te agradezco la sugerencia, de hecho he probado con

Re: Problemas de enmascaramiento de una Lan usando SNAT con iptables, sin poder navegar

2014-10-10 Thread Domingo Varela Yahuitl
Gracias por el tip...intentare abrir el tcp/udp con la bandera -m state del dns y les comento. Saludos Enviado desde mi dispositivo android. -Original Message- From: fernando sainz fernandojose.sa...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org

Re: Fwd: actualizar debian 5

2014-10-10 Thread Antonio Trujillo Carmona
El jue, 09-10-2014 a las 13:07 -0430, Luis Díaz escribió: saludos gracias por la respuesta rapida. con muchas ganas de instalar el debian 7, pero el sistema no me dejaba siempre salia un kernel panic yo imagino es por la falta de soporte para el procesador tan viejo. -- Mensaje

Re: Fwd: actualizar debian 5

2014-10-10 Thread Debian GMail
El 10/10/14 a las 09:41, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escibió: El jue, 09-10-2014 a las 13:07 -0430, Luis Díaz escribió: saludos gracias por la respuesta rapida. con muchas ganas de instalar el debian 7, pero el sistema no me dejaba siempre salia un kernel panic yo imagino es por la falta de

Re: Fwd: actualizar debian 5

2014-10-10 Thread Debian GMail
El 10/10/14 a las 09:41, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escibió: El jue, 09-10-2014 a las 13:07 -0430, Luis Díaz escribió: saludos gracias por la respuesta rapida. con muchas ganas de instalar el debian 7, pero el sistema no me dejaba siempre salia un kernel panic yo imagino es por la falta de

Re: Fwd: actualizar debian 5

2014-10-10 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:07:39 -0430, Luis Díaz escribió: saludos gracias por la respuesta rapida. con muchas ganas de instalar el debian 7, pero el sistema no me dejaba siempre salia un kernel panic yo imagino es por la falta de soporte para el procesador tan viejo. Imaginaba que dirías algo

Re: Problema con ssh

2014-10-10 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:45:32 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 9 de octubre de 2014, 20:43, Debian GMail javier.debian.bb...@gmail.com escribió: El 09/10/14 a las 15:11, Daxko escibió: Buenas tardes Auxilio de verdad ya no se q hacer estoy intentando de configurar el SSH en mi pc

Re: [Off-Topic]: Informacion sobre problemas con los alias de HispaLinux

2014-10-10 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:13:34 +0200, Agustin Martin escribió: Hola, Perdonad el Off-Topic. He intentado contactar con Hispalinux a través de los canales normales y no consigo respuesta. Te arriesgas mucho forastero, esta no es lista para los OT. Se nos van a echar las hienas encima, así que

Re: alguien con amavisd-new en debian

2014-10-10 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:02:14 -0600, ricky gutierrez escribió: El día 9 de octubre de 2014, 11:24, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: Hum... ya veo. Entonces lo que estás haciendo es clasificar los mensajes desde los clientes de correo no desde el servidor. si asi es (...) Entonces

Squid

2014-10-10 Thread Frank Andres Sanches Calzada
Hola lista necesito saber como puedo crear un delay_pools en squid para quitar ancho de banda a la hora de descargar algun archivo desde Internet. -- FSC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Thunar no reconoce correctamente algunos los mime types (PDF, OpenDocument e Imágenes)

2014-10-10 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:19:17 +0200, jEsuSdA 8) escribió: Hola, compañeros! Tengo desde hace días un problema que no he logrado resolver de ningún modo y ya no sé qué hacer... (...) En resumen: * No sé como averiguar qué pasa cuando hago clic en un archivo para ver por qué se abre con

Re: Problemas en Debian Wheezy con conky

2014-10-10 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:16:14 -0430, Frederit Mogollon escribió: tesistas@pedroPC-Tesistas:~$ pstree | grep -i conky |-2*[conky---8*[{conky}]] Interesante. Te dice que hay 2* procesos padre con 8* hijos/hilos cada uno. Más abajo se ve gráficamente. Consultando la página de manual de

Re: Squid

2014-10-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:17:19 -0600, Frank Andres Sanches Calzada escribió: Hola lista necesito saber como puedo crear un delay_pools en squid para quitar ancho de banda a la hora de descargar algun archivo desde Internet. Feature: Delay Pools http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/DelayPools

Investment Proposal [Get Back To Me As Soon As Possible]

2014-10-10 Thread Peter Kremer
10/10/2014 | 3:57:46 PM Good day, I like to propose a legitimate business that would be of financial benefit to you. Are you interested? Regards, Peter Kremer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

RE: Problemas de enmascaramiento de una Lan usando SNAT con iptables, sin poder navegar

2014-10-10 Thread Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl
Simplemente no me da acceso a internet y ni mucho menos la consulta de DNS :( .. ya aplique las reglas y ni nada. . Alguien puede darme un norte pls ... gracias Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:30:10 +0200 Subject: Re: Problemas de enmascaramiento de una Lan usando SNAT con iptables, sin

Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Carlos Sanchez
Tengo un servidor virtual red hat 6.3 (Santiago) y quiero actualizarlo a 6.3 (Final). ¿Se puede hacer usado yum o es mejor instalarlo desde 0? Un saludo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Guido Ignacio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 El día 10 de octubre de 2014, 15:59, Carlos Sanchez escribió: Tengo un servidor virtual red hat 6.3 (Santiago) y quiero actualizarlo a 6.3 (Final). ¿Se puede hacer usado yum o es mejor instalarlo desde 0? Un saludo. Creo te confundiste de

Synaptic revoluciona el ventilador de mi equipo tras muchas actualizaciones

2014-10-10 Thread Eduardo Rios
Hoy he actualizado 75 paquetes en Debian testing, la mayoría creo que de gnome. Todo bien, el aspecto visual parece que ha cambiado un poco, más fino, pero he notado un problema que no ocurría antes: Cada vez que abro Synaptic, y le doy a recargar (actualizar) la lista de paquetes, en el

Re: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Carlos Sanchez
El viernes, 10 de octubre de 2014 21:20:02 UTC+2, Carlos Sanchez escribió: Tengo un servidor virtual red hat 6.3 (Santiago) y quiero actualizarlo a 6.3 (Final). ¿Se puede hacer usado yum o es mejor instalarlo desde 0? Un saludo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Flako
_ La fe es cuando se cree en algo que uno sabe que no puede ser verdadero El día 10 de octubre de 2014, 17:05, Carlos Sanchez arrascanal...@gmail.com escribió: Archive:

Re: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Manolo Díaz
El viernes, 10 oct 2014 a las 22:05 horas (UTC+2), Carlos Sanchez escribió: El viernes, 10 de octubre de 2014 21:20:02 UTC+2, Carlos Sanchez escribió: Tengo un servidor virtual red hat 6.3 (Santiago) y quiero actualizarlo a 6.3 (Final). ¿Se puede hacer usado yum o es mejor instalarlo

Re: Synaptic revoluciona el ventilador de mi equipo tras muchas actualizaciones

2014-10-10 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 10/10/14 a las 22:00, Eduardo Rios escribió: Hoy he actualizado 75 paquetes en Debian testing, la mayoría creo que de gnome. Todo bien, el aspecto visual parece que ha cambiado un poco, más fino, pero he notado un problema que no ocurría antes: Cada vez que abro Synaptic, y le doy a

Re: Fwd: actualizar debian 5

2014-10-10 Thread Luis Díaz
El día 10 de octubre de 2014, 9:10, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:07:39 -0430, Luis Díaz escribió: saludos gracias por la respuesta rapida. con muchas ganas de instalar el debian 7, pero el sistema no me dejaba siempre salia un kernel panic yo imagino es por la

Re: Problemas de enmascaramiento de una Lan usando SNAT con iptables, sin poder navegar

2014-10-10 Thread Sergio Marcos
El 10 de octubre de 2014, 19:56, Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl do...@hotmail.com escribió: Que tal a todos.. buen dia... nuevamente recurro a la comunidad para saber si alguien de uds me da un norte ya que le he buscado las patas al gato y no los encuentro, esta vez se trata de que

Re: Synaptic revoluciona el ventilador de mi equipo tras muchas actualizaciones

2014-10-10 Thread José Yukiteru Maldonado
El 10/10/14 18:27, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 10/10/14 a las 22:00, Eduardo Rios escribió: Hoy he actualizado 75 paquetes en Debian testing, la mayoría creo que de gnome. Todo bien, el aspecto visual parece que ha cambiado un poco, más fino, pero he notado un problema que no ocurría antes:

Re: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez
El Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Carlos Sanchez arrascanal...@gmail.com escribió: El viernes, 10 de octubre de 2014 21:20:02 UTC+2, Carlos Sanchez escribió: Tengo un servidor virtual red hat 6.3 (Santiago) y quiero actualizarlo a 6.3 (Final). ¿Se puede hacer usado yum o

Re: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez
El Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Carlos Sanchez arrascanal...@gmail.com escribió: El viernes, 10 de octubre de 2014 21:20:02 UTC+2, Carlos Sanchez escribió: Tengo un servidor virtual red hat 6.3 (Santiago) y quiero actualizarlo a 6.3 (Final). ¿Se puede hacer usado yum o

Re: Synaptic revoluciona el ventilador de mi equipo tras muchas actualizaciones

2014-10-10 Thread Alberto Vicat
El 10/10/14 21:51, José \Yukiteru\ Maldonado escribió: El 10/10/14 18:27, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 10/10/14 a las 22:00, Eduardo Rios escribió: Hoy he actualizado 75 paquetes en Debian testing, la mayoría creo que de gnome. Todo bien, el aspecto visual parece que ha cambiado un poco, más

Re: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread Felix Perez
El día 10 de octubre de 2014, 17:05, Carlos Sanchez arrascanal...@gmail.com escribió: El viernes, 10 de octubre de 2014 21:20:02 UTC+2, Carlos Sanchez escribió: Tengo un servidor virtual red hat 6.3 (Santiago) y quiero actualizarlo a 6.3 (Final). ¿Se puede hacer usado yum o es mejor

RE: Actualizar red hat 6.3 (Santiago) a 6.3 (FINAL)

2014-10-10 Thread William Romero
¿Se puede hacer usado yum o es mejor instalarlo desde 0? Un saludo. Que yo sepa , red hat es linux!!!. De todas formas si me pudierais ayudar os lo agradeceria. Ya y? Bueno ahora cuéntanos el chiste. Suse , como siempre el Pele de Angel Claudio no tenes idea de lo que

Re: Inte se på SVTPlay

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 6 Sep 2014 20:07 +0200, from j...@i19.se (Johan Andersson): Du kan använda https://github.com/spaam/svtplay-dl för att tanka videon och kolla på de med din mediaspelare. Tänkte tipsa om att jag har haft lite svårigheter att använda svtplay-dl mot TV3 Play. Efter diverse testande fram och

Debian netflix

2014-10-10 Thread Paulo Roberto
Alguém sabe os pacotes para utilizar o netflix de forma nativa no chromium/chrome estarão disponíveis no backports? Andei dando uma procurada na internet se já tem algum trabalho nesse sentido mas pelo que percebi não será possível devido as dependências.

Re: Problem with external monitor

2014-10-10 Thread Bret Busby
This will probably show as a new thread, due to me correcting a spelling error in the Subject field of the message. On 08/10/2014, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:23:55 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I have a 23 monitor, that I want to use with two

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/09/2014 11:40 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: Didn't you just describe Usenet? Hmm, I am not sure I have. I have no experience with Usenet, but after some searching, I think that Usenet is a lot more complex than this. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong though. The main difference I found

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-10 Thread Joe
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:32:12 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:00:59AM +0100, Joe wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:35:22 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Joe wrote: Even

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Joe
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - just point your newsreader at their server. You may be out of date here,

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Personally, I think the 'stack exchange' model is the best one out there at the moment. See for example http://askubuntu.com/. If you aren't familiar with the model, I'd do a bad job of summarizing it, so I won't try; but one facet is that it encourages good *questions* as well as answers. There

Re: Update - Error Dialog

2014-10-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 08:49:31AM -0400, Verde Denim wrote: I've been seeing this dialog popping up (seems like at random) with Could not get updates - Failed to process request. Selecting the 'More details' dropdown shows 'Operation was cancelled'. I can close the dialog, and there doesn't

a few basic questions about apt-build

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Debianists, I installed apt-build on a laptop (amd 64) (I am running Jessie amd64 installation). I am still learning about it. It asks you to choose the optimisation setting. I chose native. But I suspect that was not right. I then did apt-build install efl. and it found the source

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: Gatewaying debian-user to an nntp newsgroup hosted at debian.org might be a nice-to-have. Meanwhile, everything is gated to gmane.org. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them.

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/10/2014 4:04 AM, Joe wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - just point your newsreader at their

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/10/2014 3:15 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/09/2014 11:40 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: Didn't you just describe Usenet? Hmm, I am not sure I have. I have no experience with Usenet, but after some searching, I think that Usenet is a lot more complex than this. Feel free to correct me if i'm

Re: Canon printers on wheezy (solved)

2014-10-10 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Rob Hurle rob1...@gmail.com wrote: I've just upgraded to wheezy and my Canon LBP 7200Cdn stopped working. I used Radu Cotescu's script to try to reinstall it, but that failed and messed up apt-get, as one of his debs tries to install an outdated package. I've

find out why a package was installed

2014-10-10 Thread Rob Owens
Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a dependency/recommends of package Y? Thanks -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us I just went ahead and went back to sysvinit-core and in the process started purging packages in Aptitude! At the end policykit, packagekit, rtkit, and systemd were excised and a whole host of other stuff I couldn't find a reason

Re: find out why a package was installed

2014-10-10 Thread Marius Gavrilescu
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a dependency/recommends of package Y? aptitude why package -- Marius Gavrilescu pgpikZUJbtMQu.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: find out why a package was installed

2014-10-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/10/14 14:28, Rob Owens wrote: Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a dependency/recommends of package Y? aptitude why package-x will show you exactly one reason why package-x is installed. --

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin. I know that I can access linux.debian.* and read stuff, but that would require a

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joe wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:24:38 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Microsoft comes to mind - the run a couple of dozen newsgroups on various support topics (http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/150057) - just point your newsreader at their server. You may be out of

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread PETER ZOELLER
This is really ticking me off. We are becoming just like Microsoft that one size fits all. Linux has always been about choice and modularity and reconfigurability where a user or admin can choose that what suits him/her and the type of system they want. You want sysvinit you use Debian or

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin. I know that I can access linux.debian.*

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:16:33 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: I have been contemplating the merits of mailing lists and comparing them with those of forums, [snip] If you're really impatient and prefer examples, head to the usage example at the bottom of the mail and skip the rest.

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: You missed my point entirely. Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread John Hasler
Steve Litt writes: I'm on several forums. But invariably, as time goes on, I forget their existence. The day's just too busy to walk around the web visiting groups. And every forum has a different UI with an extremely primitive editor. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA --

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 05:58 PM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: You missed my point entirely. Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. I apologize. You only added some advantages to mailing lists. For some

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:58:04 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: You missed my point entirely. Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal. OK then... As long as it continues acting

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:01:15 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 05:58 PM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote: You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists: You missed my point entirely. Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal.

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? However, both Usenet and this proposal are superior to mailing lists in all aspects. Feel free to correct me here. Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? signature.asc Description:

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 06:24 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Gatewaying debian-user to an nntp newsgroup hosted at debian.org might be a nice-to-have. Mozilla does this with their mailing lists. They have a readonly, lonely Usenet server at news.mozilla.org. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread James Ensor
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:57 AM, PETER ZOELLER peter_zoel...@rogers.com wrote: This is really ticking me off. We are becoming just like Microsoft that one size fits all. Linux has always been about choice and modularity and reconfigurability where a user or admin can choose that what suits

Business Proposal [Waiting Your Reply]

2014-10-10 Thread Peter Kremer
10/10/2014 | 3:57:46 PM Good day, I like to propose a legitimate business that would be of financial benefit to you. Are you interested? Regards, Peter Kremer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 05:39 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You don't need to use a paid server. There are plenty of free ones available. Personally, I use eternal-september.com. It's been pretty solid for me and contains all of the newsgroups I want. No binary newsgroups, but I can life with that.

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:11:16 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? For me, Usenet forums quickly become the stuff I forgot I ever had. Out of sight, out of mind. I don't think I'm alone, either, because a lot of forums have

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:11:16 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: There's a sub-question here: How does this proposal compare to Usenet? For me, Usenet forums quickly become the stuff I forgot I ever had. Out of sight, out of mind. I don't think I'm alone, either, because

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread James Ensor
Please reply to the list and not directly to me. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, PETER ZOELLER peter_zoel...@rogers.com wrote: Hi: I'm sorry but I shouldn't have to remove systemd but be given a choice as to which one I want at the time of the install just as I choose my file system, my

Re: find out why a package was installed

2014-10-10 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - From: Marius Gavrilescu mar...@ieval.ro Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a dependency/recommends of package Y? aptitude why

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm on at least 25 mailing lists. If I had to go out to 25 different places to get my information, I'd never get anything done. With mailing lists, posts come to me: I don't need to go searching hither and yon for them. Why are you guys treating

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 06:11:16PM +0300, softwatt wrote: Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? I never managed one, but maybe mailing lists are easier to set up and easier to maintain/moderate. We should listen to what listmasters have to say in this

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm on at least 25 mailing lists. If I had to go out to 25 different places to get my information, I'd never get anything done. With mailing lists, posts come to me: I don't need to go searching hither and yon for them. Why are you

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Francesco Ariis wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 06:11:16PM +0300, softwatt wrote: Do mailing lists have any advantages in comparison to Usenet/this proposal? I never managed one, but maybe mailing lists are easier to set up and easier to maintain/moderate. We should listen to what listmasters

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 08:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: - as noted - stuff comes to you That's true in Usenet as well. The remaining points are valid for Usenet. Note however that none of them are valid for my proposal. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor belgianpain...@gmail.com napísal: I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision of making systemd the default init system. I merely point out that it is possible (and quite easy) for a debian-user to remove

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 11:30 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Personally, I think the 'stack exchange' model is the best one out there at the moment. I have two problems with that model. - I don't like reward systems, I prefer minimalistic discussion platforms without the fancy stuff - Threaded

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread PETER ZOELLER
The point I am making is that Linux is moving away from a modular system open to change, choice and reconfiguration to one where one person or small group of people decide to hard code something into the system. And this is being hard coded in my opinion since it forces it to be installed as a

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/10/2014 at 12:52 PM, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor belgianpain...@gmail.com napísal: I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision of making systemd the default init system. I merely point out that it is possible

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to begin. I know that I can

systemd and initrd and /usr

2014-10-10 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Hans Ullrich: I do not understand the policy behind systemd. As far as I know, It is historical in uinices, that each folder like /bin, /sbin, /var, /usr etc. is residing on its own partition. This is from the time of SCSI-drives (as you can have 16 drives on a controller). Both of those

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread James Ensor
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor belgianpain...@gmail.com napísal: I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision of making systemd the default init system. I merely point out

How to do this ?

2014-10-10 Thread Erwan David
I want to have a system which boots, and starts a subset of daemons. Then afterward I ssh to it, do something which 1) mount an encrypted disk, 2) start other daemons (which depends on the encrypted disk). I know how to do this with policy-rc.d, how can I do this with systemd ? I know this list

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I don't know where to

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 10 Oct 08:39 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us I just went ahead and went back to sysvinit-core and in the process started purging packages in Aptitude! At the end policykit, packagekit, rtkit, and systemd were excised and a

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum (attn. Jerry)

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the net is scarce and I

Re: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum (attn. Jerry)

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me. But information on the

debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

2014-10-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to keep track of threads) This is perfect for me.

ZTE modem issue

2014-10-10 Thread James Anslow
Hi all I have a problem with my ZTE modem (ZTE MF823). The modem was supplied by BT business who refuse to provide support outside of their Windows/Mac program designed to manage the modem. The modem is detected as a USB device fine by wheezy. The network is not operated bt BT behind the

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
On 10/10/2014 10:10 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, softwatt wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I also read this mail list via NNTP (easier to

Re: debian-user via USENET [was: Proposal: An alternative to mailing lists which isn't a forum]

2014-10-10 Thread softwatt
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