Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 08 March 2021 17:28:40 Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Le 05/03/2021 à 20:22, ajh-valmer a écrit : > > Question technique sur fdisk, d'où le 1/2 HS : > Bonjour, tu est en UEFI en vieux systeme d'amorcage par MBR d'autrefois ? : Je ne sais pas en fait, mais mon ordinateur boote sans problème

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/09/2021 06:00 PM, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > How much ram do you have? > If it is 4Gb or less you should probably use i386 instead of the amd64 version of Debian. Yes, I was reading the amd64 version because I was also attempting to install Debian on a 4GB and Intel Core 2 Duo vPro

Re: How to set Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth in load balance router if the speed varies?

2021-03-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On 09/03/2021 23:20, Markos wrote: > Markos wrote: > >> I'm a Debian user and have already configured a router TL-R470T+ to connect > >> with 2 providers (by PPPoE and dynamic link). And I'm using the TL-WR841ND > >> V10 router only as an access point. > >> > >> Now I'm in doubt as to how I will

Clicking "mailto:" link on chromium doesn't load email client (Thunderbird)

2021-03-10 Thread Robbi Nespu
This is weird, I am clueless how to fix this. Posting here hoping could be someone notice what wrong. I used to check Debian mail list archive on web and reply any thread that I want via clicking the "mailto" link. But somehow, on my newer machine (fresh installed), the chromium browser not

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Yes, I think it will not work - better try lighter desktops or the older KDE > that is called now Trinity Desktop How is that TDE? Is it like KDE but much lighter? What are the main differences? Sorry, I'm new to GNU/Linux OSes.

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On 10/03/2021 03:08, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Hello. > > While I was making my research before installing Debian > I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly > (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). > How is the filesystem "unfriendly"? It's a filing system. It's purpose is

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Yeah it will work, although it'll work a lot better if you can get an extra 4Gb off Ebay, I paid about £25. By it will work you mean: your computer will boot; or: it will be usable? He he, thanks for your help.

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:00 (UTC-0400): Stefan Monnier composed on 2021-03-09 17:46 (UTC-0500): ... >> I have a 1GB laptop here >> (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has been painful for many >>

Re: Plasma can be a lightweight (was: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:00 (UTC-0400): Stefan Monnier composed on 2021-03-09 17:46 (UTC-0500): ... >> I have a 1GB laptop here >> (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has been painful for many >>

Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread Stephane Ascoet
Le 09/03/2021 à 10:52, i...@dijitaldea.com a écrit : Elle pointe vers l'image initrd qui envoie ensuite le noyau si je me souviens bien. Si elle ne se trouve pas là à l'install, Debian la créera. C'est nécessaire de garder ceci en l'état sinon tu risques ne plus retrouver grub ou autre

Re: Engegada aleatòria

2021-03-10 Thread Josep Lladonosa
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 17:53, Joan Albert wrote: > Bona tarda, > > Moltes gràcies per les respostes (Josep, Narcís i Xavier). Faig un nou > correu comentant els diversos punts: > > > Jo començaria per provar a triar diferent nucli d'inici, al gestor > > d'arrencada (menú del GRUB). Si això fa

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread James Allsopp
Yeah it will work, although it'll work a lot better if you can get an extra 4Gb off Ebay, I paid about £25. For reference I was running it on a 3Ghz 4GbRam Core2Duo. On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 11:23, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > I would not do that. I run xfce under Debian 10.4 in 8GB, it's

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread deloptes
Felix Miata wrote: > KDE is one of the oldest DEs, thus has acquired more features. They need > not be used all at once, so need not generate the giant monolith feeling > many would have you believe. It need not use any more RAM than XFCE: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvJOXypAbk There is a

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 12:43:51, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Right now, it appears to be a choice between HP and Dell unless > you want one of the laptop-class APUs (some of which are quite > nice) in which case Asus and Acer have some systems. I'm looking into building my own custom system. A

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 14:35:54, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote: > > > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > > > before chasing down this rabbit hole, see

Re: Plasma can be a lightweight

2021-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2021-03-10 05:33 (UTC-0500): > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:00 (UTC-0400): >> I have been reading throughout the Web >> that Xfce4 is not so lightweight as it was before. >>

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> I would not do that. I run xfce under Debian 10.4 in 8GB, it's very light weight for a window manager. MUCH lighter than KDE. But still a little slow sometimes, with more than a few apps open SubCommandante Geovanis >  Oh, it looks it would be very slowly then. It is weird is doesn't looks

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 09 mar 21, 14:35:54, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: ... before chasing down this rabbit

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-10 Thread Joe
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:54:49 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 13:35:18, Joe wrote: > > > > As an anecdote, I recall a BT service/router which literally would > > not work if it detected another NAT on the LAN. It was in a client's > > network, and I had to reconfigure things to

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Try Enlightenment. > It's very configurable once get familiar with all the options. > Cheers! I saw it was there, but it looks a little difficult to get it working according to what I read about it. Also, I don't know if loading Gtk+, Qt and EFL at the same time at RAM would be a good idea.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 13:35:18, Joe wrote: > > As an anecdote, I recall a BT service/router which literally would not > work if it detected another NAT on the LAN. It was in a client's > network, and I had to reconfigure things to work without the Debian > server acting as a firewall. If it had been

Re: Engegada aleatòria

2021-03-10 Thread Joan Albert
> Potser el sistema d'arrencada estigui corrupte o mal generat: > $ sudo update-initramfs -u -k all He provat exactament aquesta comanda sense cap tipus d'error, i segueixo tenint el mateix problema :) Alguna idea més? Gràcies igualment! -- TS

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread James Allsopp
Also, you could spend a bit on money on an SSD, I did. On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 11:31, James Allsopp wrote: > Yeah it will work, although it'll work a lot better if you can get an > extra 4Gb off Ebay, I paid about £25. > > For reference I was running it on a 3Ghz 4GbRam Core2Duo. > > On Wed, 10

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 5:23 AM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > I would not do that. I run xfce under Debian 10.4 in 8GB, it's very > light weight for a window manager. MUCH lighter than KDE. But still a > little slow sometimes, with more than a few apps open SubCommandante > Geovanis > >  > >

Re: How to set Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth in load balance router if the speed varies?

2021-03-10 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
Top-posting Darac's excellent long response. Here's a data point for you. The effective bandwidth increase from 10Mb/s ethernet to 100Mb/s ethernet was achieved by simply using more conductors. Already in the connectors and cabling. But no one added capacity upstream specifically for that. Just

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-03-10 at 07:27, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > By the way, what does "usr" mean? I thought it was "user" untill I > took a look inside. Just asking. I've traditionally understood it to stand for "UNIX Shared Resources", but V.E.R.A. (the Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms) doesn't list

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread songbird
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... > While I was making my research before installing Debian > I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly > (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). > I saw there was a distribution called GoboLinux which > addressed that inconvenience, but according to a

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Been there. When first using Debian I was on dial-up ;} > There are several vendors with Debian on various media. > See: https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ > > My current connection is faster (via cellular network) and my service has a 2GB/month data cap. > I am currently using >

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/10/2021 07:07 AM, songbird wrote: Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... While I was making my research before installing Debian I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). I saw there was a distribution called GoboLinux which addressed that

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-03-10 at 08:09, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > It's what I'm trying to say, it looks like something, because someday > ago it was, but it is something else. > > With whole respect to UNIX, do we really need backward compatibility > with it, or something alike? Absolutely need? No. Does

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 20:18:52, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. You are correct that 9 is still > > getting support, especially security updates. However, older versions > > of Debian don't get newer versions of the software. Not all security > > fixes can be

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 07:45:16AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-10 at 07:27, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > > By the way, what does "usr" mean? I thought it was "user" untill I > > took a look inside. Just asking. > > I've traditionally understood it to stand for "UNIX Shared

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > By the way, what does "usr" mean? The Wanderer wrote: > I can't completely rule out a derivation from "user", but I don't think > that's usually considered likely. My german translation of S.R. Bourne's The Unix Syistem of 1983 states: "Der Katalog /usr

Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread Stephane Ascoet
Ben du coup sans connaitre ton systeme, difficile de repondre. Quand tu es en UEFI, tu as une partition de ce type. Vu ce que tu ecris, ca ne semble pas etre le cas, alors, en MBR, le drapeau "amorce" sert quand ton MBR est celui par defaut de l'architecture wintel. Celui-ci cherche la

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Commandante Alpha- > Full disclosure, I have always preferred KDE over gnome and alternatives. It's just more complete and tight. But there are some older systems I can't really use it on. I don't NEED a massive window manager and apps, I was a fan of twm for years. I dont mind xfce either, it's

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> I've traditionally understood it to stand for "UNIX Shared Resources", > but V.E.R.A. (the Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms) doesn't list that > as a definition; the nearest definition it does have which looks like it > might be related is "User Service Routines". So it is an acronym then.

Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread ajh-valmer
On Wednesday 10 March 2021 12:47:31 you wrote: > Ben du coup sans connaitre ton systeme, difficile de repondre. Quand tu > es en UEFI, tu as une partition de ce type. Vu ce que tu ecris, ca ne > semble pas etre le cas, alors, en MBR, le drapeau "amorce" sert quand > ton MBR est celui par defaut

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 20:00:15, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > > I'd start with Debian 10 and LXDE or LxQt: > > https://opensource.com/article/19/12/lxqt-lxde-linux-desktop > > > > and switch to the Debian 9 only if they work really slow. > > Sounds reasonable, but I would prefer to not download > 4

Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread Michel
Le 10/03/2021 à 14:30, ajh-valmer a écrit : > Il s'agit d'un serveur distant dans un data center, > que je contacte par une carte KVM-Idrac. Tu aurais peut-être du commencer par cette information...

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 10 March 2021 06:26:22 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Yes, I think it will not work - better try lighter desktops or the > > older > > KDE > > > that is called now Trinity Desktop > > How is that TDE? Is it like KDE but much lighter? > What are the main differences? > > Sorry, I'm

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
El 10/03/2021 07:53, "Marco Möller" escribió: > > > On 10.03.21 04:34, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: >> >> Hello. >> >> I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task >> on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, >> it doesn't have a GPU. >> Do you think it would run

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> i wouldn't bother. really it is just a huge waste of time > for no real gain. > > the problem is that you are new to linux/unix type system > and so you don't understand the history or layout as it is. > > learn what is there as it is. you rarely need to work > outside /home/ for most

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 02:39:14AM +0300, IL Ka wrote: > By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged > desktop environments. "Bare" is such a mean word. I call them traditional window managers. > > Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread IL Ka
> > > but it could have been "Shared" or "Resources". > You see what I mean? > > > A bit of history: https://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/usr.html Initial idea was to put everything that is essential for the system to boot to the root filesystem (/bin, /sbin etc). While user

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > The boot process has three major stages. > > > > 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test > > 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.) > > 3. Operating System (in this case Debian) > > >

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2021 10 Mar 07:20 -0600, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > i wouldn't bother. really it is just a huge waste of time > > for no real gain. > > > > the problem is that you are new to linux/unix type system > > and so you don't understand the history or layout as it is. > > > > learn what

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On 10/03/2021 12:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 07:45:16AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: >> On 2021-03-10 at 07:27, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: >> >>> By the way, what does "usr" mean? I thought it was "user" untill I >>> took a look inside. Just asking. >> I've traditionally

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Wikipedia [1] leans towards the derivation from "user": > > usr The "user file system": originally the directory holding > user home directories,[15] but already by the Third Edition > of Research Unix, ca. 1973, reused to split the operating > system's programs over

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 08:51:33, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > My last doubt is if should use Debian 10 with KDE Plasma or Debian Bullseye > instead. > Apparently, only the newer versions of KDE Plasma have the performance > boost. Debian bullseye (soon to be Debian 11) is already in the "freeze"

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Marco Möller
On 10.03.21 13:51, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: (...) My last doubt is if should use Debian 10 with KDE Plasma or Debian Bullseye instead. I recommend to use "testing" (currently Bullseye) on an individual Laptop/Desktop Computer, and leave "stable" for server or cooperate end user

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/10/2021 07:29 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: The boot process has three major stages. 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.) 3. Operating System (in

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread songbird
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... > Hello. > > I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know > why the RAM requirements showed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html > are double the size of those displayed here: >

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread songbird
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... > Well, yes, as I said, my problem is quite trivial. > I was just thinking it could be a little improvement. understand the complexity involved of managing 51,000 packages already established procedures and tools set up to work with things as they currently are.

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Marco Möller
On 10.03.21 04:34, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: Hello. I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, it doesn't have a GPU. Do you think it would run without problems or would it be slow and laggy? Thanks in advance

Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread Stephane Ascoet
Le 10/03/2021 à 14:23, ajh-valmer a écrit : Il s'agit d'un serveur distant dans un data center, que je contacte par une carte KVM-Idrac. Bonjour, ah bah la je ne peux pas t'aider -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
On 03/09/2021 23:54, "Weaver" wrote: > What negative experiences have you had with it, so far, that inclines > you to this point of view? On 03/10/2021 05:08, "Darac Marjal" wrote: > How is the filesystem "unfriendly"? It's a filing system. It's purpose > is to make it easier to find files. >

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Kent West
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:34 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > Hello. > > I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task > on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, > it doesn't have a GPU. > Do you think it would run without problems > or would it be slow and

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Dan Ritter
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > if you want to see an example of what it takes to > > make changes to this sort of layout google "Debian > > merged /usr" and read those threads. :) > > I just read this: > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ > It seems as a

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Joe
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:19:42 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > if you want to see an example of what it takes to > > make changes to this sort of layout google "Debian > > merged /usr" and read those threads. :) > > I just read this: >

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Joe wrote: > > There was a time when 'software' and 'applications' were two different > > and distinct things, when applications were user programs and software > > was the set of programs that made the computer work, today called system > > software. A computer as delivered contained both

xfce and hddtemp on Bullseye annoyance

2021-03-10 Thread Charles Curley
The Powers That Be have announced that hddtemp is unmaintained, and indicated a preference for using the kernel module drivetemp, and that while it is in Bullseye, will not be in Bookworm. So I have removed hddtemp from my Bullseye test installation. However, XFCE expects to find it, and

Re: Plasma can be a lightweight (was: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10; and was also: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?)

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
On 10/03/2021 07:23, "Felix Miata" wrote: > > Felix Miata composed on 2021-03-10 05:33 (UTC-0500): > > > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:00 (UTC-0400): > > >> I have been reading throughout the Web > >> that Xfce4 is not so lightweight as it was before. > >> Apparently, its

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Marco Möller
On 10.03.21 19:28, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: (...) I don't think there is a Debian DVD iso I can use to install Debian Bullseye. I think I'll have to install Buster and then switch to Bullseye. Is there a better option? To my knowledge, there is a Bulleye installer available here:

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> You're not only allowed to think that, you're allowed to get > people together and do it. > > All the code in Debian proper has free licenses, and you're > welcome to create a Debian derivation that conforms to your idea > of what is proper. > > It's going to be a lot of work, though. You should

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> It is more than looks. In Unix filesystems disks/volumes/partitions are > "mounted" into the main file system at some arbitrary "mount point" and > thus the filesystem encompasses all mounted devices. With DOS, all > lettered disks are independent, though resources can be referenced > across

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 11:30:01, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I've never heard of an E-mail client that supports automating this, and > > I'm not entirely sure I'd want it automated, although a "did you forget > > to finish this?" reminder such as my Thunderbird configuration provides > > when I type a

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Be aware that although testing has less churn than unstable, that also means that when a bug does creep through, it may take a week or two to see the next release of the software, whereas unstable might see the fix come in later that same day. > > It's a trade-off. Sorry, I wasn't clear: first

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 15:26:41, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > You're not only allowed to think that, you're allowed to get > > people together and do it. > > > > All the code in Debian proper has free licenses, and you're > > welcome to create a Debian derivation that conforms to your idea > > of

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> To my knowledge, there is a Bulleye installer available here: > https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ > It is still a test version, but you have good chances that it will work > just fine. As described before, "testing" in Debian does not mean > "unstable". With some bad luck for you,

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Kent West
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Thanks. I think I would rather prefer non-free software as a second > option. > > Since I'm new to this, I would prefer to go the safe way: first Debian > 10, then testing. > > Be aware that although testing has less churn than

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> if you want to see an example of what it takes to > make changes to this sort of layout google "Debian > merged /usr" and read those threads. :) I just read this: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ It seems as a good idea that merge of /usr. I was

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 08:49:06, Richard Owlett wrote: > > Looking at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian prompts me to ask: > "What logs might be created when attempting to run a netinst.iso?" The Debian Installation Guide should have more information on the Installer's logs and where they are to

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 16:55:39, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Sorry, I wasn't clear: first Buster then Bullseye. That way I will stay on > Bullseye > when it becomes "stable". I think it will happen soon, won't it? It's a few months away, which in Debian's timeline is indeed soon ;) Kind regards,

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> You are sending both HTML and plain text, so those of us who dislike > the HTML can simply read the plain text. Sorry, I hope it doesn't cause too much problems. I don't know how to change that behaviour.

Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread Stephane Ascoet
Le 10/03/2021 à 16:17, Michel a écrit : Tu aurais peut-être du commencer par cette information... Comme d'habitude... il fait le meme coup a chaque fois... je crois me souvenir que j'avais decide de ne plus lui repondre... -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet

OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread rhkramer
Andrei POPESCU and all: I see that you and a few other people use what I'll call footnotes in your emails, e.g. (with lots of things stripped out): On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 09:08:30 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Packages from backports are generally good enough to run even on > "important"

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2021 10 Mar 12:02 -0600, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > I think all these shortened names derive from a time when computing > > resources were limited. If you're using an 80x25 terminal over at 50 > > bits per second to a time-shared mainframe, it's more comfortable to > > type "/usr" than it

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Dan Ritter
Joe wrote: > There was a time when 'software' and 'applications' were two different > and distinct things, when applications were user programs and software > was the set of programs that made the computer work, today called system > software. A computer as delivered contained both hardware and

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:06:18 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. > > Sorry, I don't know if I'm posting on HTML, gmail does everything > automatically > and doesn't let me set the messages to be sent as plain text. You are sending both HTML

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. Sorry, I don't know if I'm posting on HTML, gmail does everything automatically and doesn't let me set the messages to be sent as plain text.

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Of course, you can manually download Firefox from the official Website and use it on a older system. It will probably work for a few years until Firefox needs a lib which the old Version does not have. > > But using the version of Firefox from Debian is much more comfortable, as it simply just

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 mar 21, 11:07:49, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-10 at 11:00, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > I see that you and a few other people use what I'll call footnotes in > > your emails, e.g. (with lots of things stripped out): > > > > I'm curious how you do that, or more specifically,

Re : Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread k6dedijon
Bonjour, Je pense que nous aurons pour un bon moment un "secteur" de démarrage en tète de disque avant la première partition. Du fait de ses limitations — le MBR ne gère pas les disques de plus de 2,199 To (en secteurs de 512 octets) —, le système de partitions MBR est remplacé la plupart du

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/10/2021 09:01 AM, songbird wrote: Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... Well, yes, as I said, my problem is quite trivial. I was just thinking it could be a little improvement. understand the complexity involved of managing 51,000 packages already established procedures and tools set up to

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> I think all these shortened names derive from a time when computing > resources were limited. If you're using an 80x25 terminal over at 50 > bits per second to a time-shared mainframe, it's more comfortable to > type "/usr" than it is to type "/Programs". Easier to type "cp" than to > type

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Dan Ritter
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > But why do we have to use a system designed for such old computers > when the now old computers are much more capable than that. > I think it needs a redesign. You're not only allowed to think that, you're allowed to get people together and do it. All the code in

Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread rhkramer
Songbird and all, On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:06:59 AM songbird wrote: > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know, > > I never used any before. > > only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. I don't like HTML in emails, but I don't

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread mmDebMail2020
Am 10.03.21 um 01:18 schrieb Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z: Well, I could try to wait a little with Debian 9 as I did with Windows 7. That thing of no software updates is very weird. Windows 7 is many years old yet I can still use the latest version of Firefox. Isn't there a way to update user

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Erwan David
Le 10/03/2021 à 04:08, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z a écrit : > > Hello. > > While I was making my research before installing Debian > I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly > (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). > I saw there was a distribution called GoboLinux which > addressed that

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-03-10 at 11:00, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Andrei POPESCU and all: > > I see that you and a few other people use what I'll call footnotes in > your emails, e.g. (with lots of things stripped out): > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 09:08:30 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> Packages from

Re: [1/2HS] Partition n°1 amorçable

2021-03-10 Thread ajh-valmer
On Wednesday 10 March 2021 16:48:35 Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Le 10/03/2021 à 16:17, Michel a écrit : > > Tu aurais peut-être du commencer par cette information... > Bonjour, ah bah la je ne peux pas t'aider : Si tu ne peux pas m'aider, quel intérêt d'écrire cette suite lamentable ? : > Comme

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Think of it as a vocabulary shift when moving from one section of the country to another. I felt I had to learn a new language when moving from very urban New York to rural Missouri. You get used to it ;} Yes, it is my only option for now. Well, thank you all for your help. Have a good day

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> As above, there's no inherent reason this naming convention *couldn't* > be changed, but doing so would be a vast and invasive thing, which would > probably break at least a few things that one might not notice. Doing it > at all would basically require you to design the entire distribution >

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Debian bullseye (soon to be Debian 11) is already in the "freeze" stage. > > It should be quite reliable in daily usage though you are still going to > see (small) updates to many packages. > > Official security support is not started yet, but security relevant > updates should be prioritised

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> If you have the drive-space for it, install it, along with something lighter like Cinnamon or LXQt. > > Then all it takes to switch between the alternatives is to log out, find the settings icon on your login manager, select your alternative, and log back in. > > If KDE proves to be too

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I've never heard of an E-mail client that supports automating this, and > I'm not entirely sure I'd want it automated, although a "did you forget > to finish this?" reminder such as my Thunderbird configuration provides > when I type a word like "attach" but don't include an attachment might >

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/10/2021 09:06 AM, songbird wrote: Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... [snip] my preference with that little memory would be to install a lightweight desktop (i use MATE and that works fine for my purposes). I originally used Gnome2 because it was available and tolerated/assumed my

Re: Engegada aleatòria

2021-03-10 Thread Jordi Miguel
Hola, Quan l'ordinador s'engega amb normalitat utilitzant el kernel 5.10.0 que es el q diu/fa després del "Loading initial ramdisk" ?? Pot ser que tinguis el GRUB configurat amb "quiet" i/o "splash" ?? Si és així ho podries modificar per poder veure el que s'imprimeix a la pantalla quan

Re: Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

2021-03-10 Thread songbird
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:06:59 AM songbird wrote: >> Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: >> > PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know, >> > I never used any before. >> >> only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. > > I don't like HTML in

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-10 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> I recommend to use "testing" (currently Bullseye) on an individual Laptop/Desktop Computer, and leave "stable" for server or cooperate end user installations. Usually "testing" is very stable concerning reliability for the every day interactive work and during the frequent upgrades (which you

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