postgres95 install

1996-11-18 Thread kazem
Hi,

I could finally install postgres95.1.0 in my box linux.
For whose that are intresseted, here how did i do
(sorry, my method appear to be barbar but it work).
Important: THERE IS NO GUARANTIE IN MY METHOD.

Here is my box package;
---
| debian 1.1 |  gcc 2.7.2 | flex 2.5.2 |
---

Lets go.

In my box there is a user callesd postgres 
postgres:*:32:32:postgres:/usr/local/postgres95:/bin/bash

1   PWD 
cd /usr/local
tar xvzf postgres95-1.0.tar.gz
chown -R postgres postgres95
chgrp -R postgres postgres95
su postgres ($pwd=/usr/local/postgres95) 

2   PATH
Just put it in postgres .bash_profile
PATH=$PAHT:/usr/local/postgres95/bin
PGDATA=/usr/local/postgres95/data
PGPORT=5432
EXPORT ALL

To be sure that all goes wright for the PAHT, exit  login with
user postgres.

3   Makefile.global
Here all that i change in Makefile.global
PORTNAME=   linux
TCL_INCDIR= /usr/include/tcl
TCL_LIBDIR= /usr/lib/tcl7.4
TCL_LIB = -ltcl7.4
TK_INCDIR=  /usr/include/tcl
TK_LIBDIR=  /usr/lib/tk4.0
TK_LIB = -ltk4.0

4   INCLUDE
Next step is to 
vi +22 src/libpq/libpq-fe.h and to replace
#include libpq/pqcomm.h 
to
#include /usr/local/postgres95/src/backend/libpq/pqcomm.h

Now we are ready to do
make /* In my box 486 Dx4 120 27minutes, so you can drink something */
make install

I dont know why but it is important to do the last step by step. 
cd
initdb
postmaster -S
cd /usr/local/postgres95/src/test/regress/
make all runtest /* you have to drink something  */


Now i wanted to know if someone can help in the way  that i could
be able to interact my db with Perl or Java. Send me a mail.

Excusez moi pour mon pouvre englais.

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JDK and JDK

1996-11-18 Thread kazem

Hi,
I install JDK in my box(linux Debian1.1). Here waht i did 
step by step.

1:  netscape installation
cd /usr/local
tar xvzf netsape_3.tgz
cd /usr/local/netscape
mkdir java
mkdir java/classes
cp moz_30 java/classes
For all user cp /usr/local/netscape/moz_30 $USERHOME/.netscape

2:  java Installation
cd /usr/local
tar xvzf linux.jdk-1.0-try4.common.tar.gz
tar xvzf linux.jdk-1.0-try4.x86-shared-motif-bin.tar.gz

I check all library nedded with respect of 
http://java.blackdown.org/java-linux.html
In the end you can the out put of ldconfig

3:  Kernel Compilation
Kernel support for JAVA binaries(CONFIG_BINFMT_JAVA) [NEW] Y
make dep; make clean; make zImage
Verification de /etc/lilo.config
lilo
cd /usr/local/java/bin
cat java /proc/sys/kernel/java-interpreter
cat appletviewer /proc/sys/kernel/java-appletviewer

By now all semes to go wright.

Now i login my box like user toto
cd Java/Class
Here my code of Hello.java

import java.applet.*;
public class Hello
{
public static void main(String[] args)
{
System.out.println(Hello World!);
}
}

javac Hello.java == Hello.class
java Hello == Hello World!

Probleme is when i put class in my applet 

HTML
HEAD TITLE Hello World Program /TITLE /HEAD
BODY 
Here is out put 
APPLET CODE=Hello.class WIDTH=150 HEIGHT=25 /APPLET /BODY
/HTML

Here what is the netscape error
Applet can't start exception: java.lang.Class

What do i do with this problem

thank


ldconfig: version 1.7.14
/usr/local/lib:
/usr/lib/i486-linuxaout:
libdb.so.1 = libdb.so.1.85.1
/usr/X11R6/lib:
libforms.so.0.81 = libforms.so.0.81
libXpm.so.4 = libXpm.so.4.7
libXt.so.6 = libXt.so.6.0
libXmu.so.6 = libXmu.so.6.0
libXi.so.6 = libXi.so.6.0
libXext.so.6 = libXext.so.6.0
libXaw.so.6 = libXaw.so.6.0
libXIE.so.6 = libXIE.so.6.0
libX11.so.6 = libX11.so.6.0
libSM.so.6 = libSM.so.6.0
libPEX5.so.6 = libPEX5.so.6.0
libXtst.so.6 = libXtst.so.6.0
libICE.so.6 = libICE.so.6.0
/usr/X11R6/lib/Lib_Motif:
libXm.so.2 = libXm.so.2
/usr/lib:
libvga.so.1 = libvga.so.1.2.8
libvgagl.so.1 = libvgagl.so.1.2.8
libjpeg.so.6a = libjpeg.so.6a.0.0
libtk4.1.so.1 = libtk4.1.so.1
libtk4.0.so.1 = libtk4.0.so.1
libtcl7.5.so.1 = libtcl7.5.so.1
libtcl7.4.so.1 = libtcl7.4.so.1
libslang.so.0 = libslang.so.0.99.23
libg++.so.27 = libg++.so.27.1.0
libstdc++.so.27 = libstdc++.so.27.1.0
libproc.so.0.99 = libproc.so.0.99
libgdbm.so.1 = libgdbm.so.1.7.3
libdb.so.1 = libdb.so.1.85.2
libhistory.so.2.0 = libhistory.so.2.0
libpanel.so.3.0 = libpanel.so.3.0
libmenu.so.3.0 = libmenu.so.3.0
libform.so.3.0 = libform.so.3.0
libpthreads.so.1 = libpthreads.so.1.60.beta2
/lib:
libXm.so.2 = libXm.so.2.0.0
libMrm.so.2 = libMrm.so.2.0.0
libc.so.4 = libc.so.4.6.27
libcurses.so.0 = libcurses.so.0.1.2
librl.so.2 = librl.so.2.0.3
libm.so.4 = libm.so.4.6.27
libe2p.so.2 = libe2p.so.2.1
libext2fs.so.2 = libext2fs.so.2.0
libss.so.2 = libss.so.2.0
libcom_err.so.2 = libcom_err.so.2.0
libreadline.so.2.0 = libreadline.so.2.0
libncurses.so.3.0 = libncurses.so.3.0
libm.so.5 = libm.so.5.0.5
libc.so.5 = libc.so.5.2.18
libdl.so.1 = libdl.so.1.7.14

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Re: Corrupt kernel-source package?

1996-11-18 Thread Joe Emenaker
 
 I had the same problem and the md5sum checks so it must be something
 else.  Here is the result of my attempt:
 
 bash# dpkg -i kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb
 (Reading database ... 27768 files and directories currently
 installed.)
 Unpacking kernel-source-2.0.23 (from kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb) ...
 dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb (--install):
  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb

I'm getting the same thing... so it's not just a mass halucination...
or is it?

- Joe

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Crack and cops

1996-11-18 Thread Joe Emenaker

I didn't notice crack or cops listed in the Debian 1.1 package listing.

I ftp'd crack and had trouble compiling it, discovered many others did, too;
found the glitch and fixed it.

So, it brings me to an interesting question: Is there a reason why cops
and crack aren't in a package yet, other than possibly not having a
maintainer? I figured that people might not like making a package like
crack quite so plug-n-play, lest the baddie baddies get wind of it.

If the only impediment is that they need a maintainer, what do I need to
do to enlist? (Probably check the FAQ first, huh? Duh!)

- Joe

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xterm font in xfree86 3.2

1996-11-18 Thread Craig Sanders

Has the font used by xterm changed in the new xfree 3.2 release?

I upgraded to 3.2 from bo the day before yesterday and have found that
the nice solid font which xterm used to use has been replaced by a thin,
spidery font which is only readable in Huge mode on my screen.

I have the following in my ~/.Xdefaults file:

*XTerm*foreground:  white
*XTerm*background:  blue

white text on a blue background is a lot less painful on the eyes
after 10 or more hours at the computer (high contrast, low glare).

Unfortunately, this makes it even worse. It seems as if they new xterm
font only works when it's black text on a white background (fair
contrast, lots of glare, slightly too small but readable at Medium
setting and above)

The fonts section of my /etc/X11/XF86Config looks like this:

Section Files
   RgbPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Cyrillic
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/
   FontPath   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/sharefont/
EndSection

I've tried swapping the order of the 75dpi and 100dpi font lines, but
that doesn't change the xterm font (it does change the font size used by
fvwm-95 in the taskbar and popup menus).

Anyone got any clues as to how i can fix this?

pointers to info on how fonts work in X would be especially
appreciated...X fonts seem like a black art to me..haven't had the time
(or until now the inclination :-) to research it at all.

Craig

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Microsoft's round robin DNS?

1996-11-18 Thread Robert Nicholson
Has anybody seen how Microsoft implements their DNS?

I'm a little confused because they return a connect refused and then
expect to roll over to their next host. I'm guessing this is something
that explorer knows about. Something that netscape did earlier with
their browsers. But Netscape catches the connect refused and doesn't
proceed to the next host. 

Anybody?

robert:/export/home/roberttelnet www.microsoft.com 8019:16
Trying 207.68.137.62...
telnet: connect to address 207.68.137.62: Connection refused
Connected to www.microsoft.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
^Cquit
Connection closed by foreign host.
robert:/export/home/roberttelnet www.microsoft.com 8019:16
Trying 207.68.137.62...
telnet: connect to address 207.68.137.62: Connection refused
Connected to www.microsoft.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.
robert:/export/home/robert  

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Report: The Transname Patch

1996-11-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom

 Has anyone heard of the Transname Patch for Linux?  I downloaded it
and am testing it now, and it seems to work very well!  There is a
version against kernel 2.0.25 on my WWW site that you can have.

 Transnames promises to greatly simplify management of cluster
workstations and large networks by allowing you to mount the root
partion of your server as the root '/' partition of diskless or
dataless clients!

 Sharable files are shared, and a suffix is added to the ones that
should differ from machine to machine, which indicates to the kernel
which version of a file it should let programs see.

 It does this by adding a filename translation feature to the Linux
virtual filesystem layer that is selectable with a set of 'make
menuconfig' or 'make xconfig' compile-time options in the filesystems
section.

 The translation is active under directories owned by group 'adm'
(configurable).  Any filename in a directory of group 'adm' can be
given a suffix consisting of a tagtype=tagname pair, and each machine
using that filesystem will perform a name translation where it will
only see the base filename meant for itself.

 If you have, say:

/etc/init.d/rc3.d#ktype=client#
/etc/init.d/rc3.d#ktype=server#

 ...and /etc  /etc/init.d are group 'adm', then the bootscripts on
machines with kernels compiled with ktype=server will see the server
setups, and ones with ktype=client will see the client setups!

 The README can explain Transnames better than I can, and you can find
it through my page, near the top.

 I am running a DX4/120 40Mb with a kernel booting from the HD as a
server, and on an ethernet I have another machine, a DX33 12Mb,
booting from a floppy with ktype=server.  The floppy I made using the
nfsroot.txt instructions from linux/Docu...  It boots using bootp; and
the server has the bootp service in my xinetd.conf.  The
/etc/fstab#host=cherryflower# file mounts the server's /usr and /home
partions, and a small 80Mb /aux drive in the client machine.  I am
able to run programs on either machine, sending their DISPLAYs to the
X server on the rootfileserver.

 A thing we may try: At a local ISP (Internet Arena, inetarena.com),
it may become possible to do sysadmin stuff from a workstation
downstairs, (allowing the proprietor to keep an eye on his place while
he gets some work done so he doesn't have to stay so late doing it
after hours.) ...which normally runs Win95, by booting it as a
diskless client from a floppy.  It will mount the root partition of
the Linux box upstairs, configured with the no_root_squash option to
allow full access.

 I am unsure about swap partition shareing between win95 and Linux;
perhaps the nfs-swap patch may be the answer here.

CAVEATS:
 I could not get the /tmp directory structure to function the way they
show it in their docs; instead, I placed /tmp dirs directly under my /
for each machine:

/tmp#ktype=server#
/tmp#host=cherryflower#

 There is an option called 'failsafe'.  It is meant to make it so that
you can create a symlink to the server's version of a suffixed file,
so that you can boot your un-transname-patched kernel and still have
it find the files.  With transname on, that symlink (file or tree)
will appear to be a normal file or tree!!!  If you 'rm -r' the tree it
points to, it will suddenly become a symlink again.  So, don't do
that.  I accidently rm -r'd my log directory, after discovering that
both machines can use the same logfiles. (and should)

 The original patch applies almost cleanly to 2.0.25.  There was one
.rej which can be easily hand-fixed.

 Since CVS makes it so easy to do, I've uploaded a patch against
2.0.25 to my website.  The patch includes the README under the
Documantation directory, and two sample configuration files; the ones
I'm using on my two computers here at home. :-)

 Let me know if you try this; an in-the-list discussion would be
WELCOME!

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Re: XFree86 3.2 Initial Reports

1996-11-18 Thread Herbert Xu
Stephen Early wrote:
 
 One of the good things, in my opinion, about Debian is that it
 provides packages that are set up sensibly with 'normal' defaults. I
 don't want to start doing anything fancy just to look pretty; other
 distributions have tried this, and it occasionally causes confusion
 and problems. It's more a philisophical issue than a technical one,
 really - people should be able to configure their systems however they
 like, without having to undo all sorts of distribution-specific gunk
 first.

Sure, the user should be able to customise things if
they want to.  But if you don't have a pretty default,
people will simply say that Debian looks ugly!
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Re: X is painful + GPLed solution

1996-11-18 Thread Herbert Xu
Bill Bumgarner wrote:
 
 # Have look at the kde project.
 
 I will-- and if it is as cool as you make it sound, I'll happily put
 together the debian packaging information...

The problem with kde is that they use qt, which has a very
restrictive license that makes it non-free software (in
particular, they do not allow any modified version of the
library to be distributed).
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Re: X is painful

1996-11-18 Thread Herbert Xu
Stephen Early wrote:
 
 Ah. The X Window System is not a user interface. It is a standard by
 which applications can drive displays and input devices. It provides
 mechanism, not policy.

Sure.  But I must remind you that we are concerned with
developping Debian, not X per se.  Using the above as an
excuse to not making a coherent, and pretty graphical user
interface is IMHO not acceptable.

 Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just
 a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to
 the same policy. I wish you luck.

I agree that this is very diffcult.  But the Debian developers
should do their best at getting Debian programs to cooperate.

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Re: Is .deb still better than .rpm?

1996-11-18 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Marco Mariani wrote:

 
 The installation procedure is *very* important, because a new Debian user
 should instantly get the feeling he's done the Right Thing :-)

Has anyone given any thought to writing a very simple, separate
installer for debian?  It could contain a very simple set of menu
options, one of which is custom install or expert mode which
would call up dselect as usual.  The other options could be some
canned sets of packages (with the required disk space for each
canned set).  This seems a whole lot easier than rewriting the
most powerful tool in the distribution just because it is
non-intuitive for new users to install from.  I'd rather have
written this message after developing such a tool and said, Hey
have a look at this, but I still don't understand the packaging
system enough to take something like this on.  

Just a thought.

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Re: X is painful

1996-11-18 Thread Bill Bumgarner
[claws out]
[box on]
I have to vent.

OK,

I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is
still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface.

#   I think you forgot to include open, free, expandable, flexible, . . . 

Free, yes.

Expandable-- kinda, but not easily. Programming X is as painful as using X.

Flexible-- sure... as a matter of fact, it is so flexible that almost  
*none* of the apps actually work with each other!

The STUPIDITY of the whole thing is frustrating.

#   Oh, really!  You would rather have a Mac type world then?
#   (Pay thru the nose, and get what you get from THE vendor)

Hey, at least the Macintosh user interface is CONSISTENT!  At least you can  
use the machine [well, when it doesn't crash] and know that certain  
fundamental primitives within the User Interface will work *the same*.

I'd even go so far as to say the Mac-- in some respects-- is MORE  
customizable then X because it has a unified toolkit that everyone uses!   
You simply customize the toolkit and everything changes appropriately!

Look-- X has been in development for, what, 10-15 years?  As long or longer  
than the Mac, Windows, or NEXTSTEP... As well, the list of contributors  
covers all walks of life with the commputer industry-- quite literally the  
best and the brightest have contributed to X over the years.

It is an open box developped with the constraints of 'market realities'.

And that environment is supposed to justify the complete piece of crap that  
resulted?

I think not;  within that environment, I would think that *at least* one  
toolkit would have emerged as a sort of standard.  Or, at the very least,  
the plain text pasteboard would work between all fields.

From the sound of it, the above statement seems to indicate that BECAUSE X  
is free, it will always be inferior in quality to pay-through-the-nose UI?

Along the same line of thought, one would think that Linux would be  
inferior to, say, NT or Mac OS.

I'd like to think not...

For example:

Text fields between applications do not work the same.  One is not
guranteed to be able to copy/paste text between fields.  Some fields must  
have the mouse pointer within them during the editing process, some don't.

#   The kind of car you and I drive ARE going to be different
#   (hopefully), cause we are allowed to do so.  Just as the
#   programmers are allowed to express themselves through the
#   toolkits that they choose and/or write.

I'm perfectly happy in a world where things look and act differently-- as  
long as the differences are because the behaviour is more ideally suited to  
the application in question.

So far the 'differences' have primarily been comprised of just plain crappy  
UI.  Some apps let you double-click to select a word, some don't.  Some let  
you triple-click to select a paragraph, some don't.  Some tab between  
fields, some don't.  Some have point to focus within individual fields  
[tkman comes to mind], some don't.  During editing, some are bright enough  
to realize the user likely doesn't want to lose focus on the field until  
they take some action to end editing (ie; partial modality), most are not.

Yes-- it is WONDERFUL that X supports such a diverse and customizable  
environment.  But that does not excuse the horrible excuses for UI that are  
rampant throughout the X community!

#   With X, a user can control the App thru X resources, granted
#   some of them are alittle brain-dead in this area, but this is
#   not the fault of X.

But X resources have *nothing* to do with little things like some of the  
behaviour I described above or other trivialities such as

There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of.

#   There are several. Again not the fault of X, they exist at a
#   different layer.

There are many more than several.  They are *all* incompatible.  There is  
*no* standard means of encapsulating, communicating, or identifying the  
information that is passed around.

The current stuff is just fine for two apps that are tightly bound-- but it  
just plain sucks within an environment where the user defines what apps  
will play which roles within their human-computer experience.

The window manager has no awareness of what is running-- only what windows  
are on the screen.  Because of this, various 'dock' programs are nothing
more than a 'click the button to launch an app' system-- one cannot click on  
a button second time to simply activate the app in question.

#   Why should the WM be aware of what is running?
#
#   It is a Window Manager, not a process manager and never was the
#   developers intentions.

Well-- The window manager, as a manager of windows, really ought to know  
which windows are assigned to which processes.  For example, what if I want  
to hide all the windows but those owned by, say, Mathematica?  Hmmm...  
hiding windows-- sounds 

Re: X is painful + GPLed solution

1996-11-18 Thread Bill Bumgarner

Oh well, scratch that one off the list of possible solutions to be 
investigated... I guess I'm back at square one;  pining for GnuStep.

b.bum

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Bill Bumgarner wrote:
 
 # Have look at the kde project.
 
 I will-- and if it is as cool as you make it sound, I'll happily put
 together the debian packaging information...

The problem with kde is that they use qt, which has a very
restrictive license that makes it non-free software (in
particular, they do not allow any modified version of the
library to be distributed).
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bo, rex?

1996-11-18 Thread Lawrence Chim
why there is bo in the ftp site?  Is it the same as rex?

lawrence,

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Re: Support for Page Scanners (ie. HP ScanJets)

1996-11-18 Thread Jose Manuel Cerqueira Esteves

On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, GREENE KENNETH ADAM wrote:

This is important, so any help is greatly appreciated (I am to 
 make a recommendation as to a complete system to handle Web pages, 
 E-Mail and networks for a small university, and If I can get their 
 ScanJet to work, I probably could sell them, They use Adobe 

Greetings

The most interesting option for image acquisition with HP scanners under
Linux seems to be `XVScan', which is based on John Bradley's 
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Re: xrdb under xfree86 3.2

1996-11-18 Thread edwalter
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Alex Romosan wrote:

 xrdb doesn't seem to work on a 486 which i recently upgraded to
 xfree86 3.2. when i run it i get this:
 
 /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb: cannot run '/lib/cpp -traditional -Dlinux
 -D__i386__ -D_POS IX_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -DX_LOCALE

[etc]

 from 3.1.2 onto the 486 and now the system works fine. anybody else
 seen this?
 

I get it to.  I have an AMD K5 (pentium class).  My work around was to
add the -nocpp flag to the calls in my .xsession and .xinitrc, but it
would be nice if the program worked completely.

Erv

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Re: PPP-connection slowing down. Please help!

1996-11-18 Thread Bruce Perens
Did your PPP server on the other end change? Perhaps it isn't handling
compressed packets correctly. Try adding -vj and -bsdcomp flags, and see
if it improves.

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Re: GnuStep Re: X is painful

1996-11-18 Thread David Engel
Bill Bumgarner writes:
 Now that I have an answer on the libc front (ie; 1.2 will ship with =
 5.4.7), I'm going to reboot to Linux and produce 'official' 5.4.7 =
 compliant GCC 2.7.2.1 + GnuStep Threading Patches in short order. =20
 
 BTW:  For now, I'm using the built in MIT_POSIX_THREADS.  Who is =
 maintaining LinuxThreads-- it seems like a superior package and I would =
 like to move to it as soon as possible...
 
 BUT:  If I move to using LinuxThreads, gcc will DEPEND on the LinuxThreads =
 package.  Does that offend anyone?

This makes me nervous.  What exactly are you proposing to do to gcc?
Why would it have to depend on any thread package?

I sent a message the other day, but it bounced because the lists were
down.  IMO, we should stick with MIT pthreads as included in libc5.
It has been available for quite a while and is reported to work,
though I don't know of any Debian packages using it.  We can switch to
LinuxThreads when we go to libc6.  FYI, LinuxThreads is already
available as a compile-time add-on for libc6, so I would expect it to
be well supported.

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Re: Deselect issues(was R: Is `.deb' still better than

1996-11-18 Thread Paul Christenson
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Fortran I/O problems

1996-11-18 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

just to continue the Fortran saga: it looks suspiciously like
the I/O library in f2c and g77 both don't do buffered I/O any longer.
This differs from the standard behaviour on other platforms where the
WRITE statement produces buffered I/O. Could this be a side-effect of
the 5.4.x library? The problem is shown by jobs which have I/O, even
to a local disk which never attain 90% CPU usage on the machine.
Watching the data with tail -f shows that data is written continuosly,
without any buffering of any sort.

Please note that the machines are 166MHz pentiums with 430HX
motherboards and fast EIDE disks and 64Mb of RAM, i.e. the stuff
should be buffered by Linux in any case. The boxes are running
Linux 2.0.25.

I have a situation where the processor is idle 56% of the
time, system usage is at about 1% and jobs only get 40%ish. The same
jobs on other boxes (Suns running SunOS or Solaris, DEC alphas with
OSF) constantly stay at 90+% cpu usage. A typical vmstat line is:

 procs  memoryswapiosystem cpu
 r b w  swpd  free  buff cache  si  so   bi   bo   in   cs  us  sy  id
[...]
1 0 0  3544   992   304  5340   0   001  152  121  40   2  59

Not very impressive...

Any information/help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Arrigo

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Re: X11 bashing

1996-11-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ]

Martin Konold:
 So [Qt] is really free and can be well used for gpled sw.

Well, yes, for some definitions of the word free. Free is one
of those words that everyone likes to define for themselves. For
Debian, the relevant question is whether the package can go into
the main Debian distribution, or whether it should be put into
contrib or non-free. The answer is found in the policy manual,
chapter 2, Package copyright (see /usr/doc/dpkg/policy.html):

All packages in the Debian distribution proper must
be freely useable, modifiable and redistributable in
both source and binary form.[1] It must be possible for
anyone to distribute and use modified source code and
their own compiled binaries, at least when they do so
as part of a Debian distribution.

Qt is clearly not suitable for the Debian distribution proper,
since we can't modify it ourselves. It belongs to contrib or
non-free, instead. As it happens, Troll Tech have said it's OK
to put it into contrib. This is good, because then it goes onto
more CD's.

Packages that use Qt can't go into the Debian distribution proper,
either:

Packages 

[- - -]
*  which depend for their use on non-free or contrib packages[2]
[- - -]

may only be placed in the semi-supported contrib section
of the Debian FTP archives (unless they need to be in
non-free - see above).

This means that in Debian, KDE goes into contrib. Too bad.
There's a number of other toolkits that could have been used,
such as V.  I don't know about their relative qualities, but
the copyright issue is enough to kill interest in Qt and KDE
for a large number of people.

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Re: Support for Page Scanners (ie. HP ScanJets)

1996-11-18 Thread Christian Schwarz

I have a HP ScanJet 4C here and use it with Debian/Linux. It works great.
You have to include the generic SCSI interface to the kernel and install
the hpscanpbm package.

I prefer xvscan, a patched xv version that allows scanning directly into
xv. It's great! Note that you have to pay for this, but it's only US $50.
Note also, that you will propably need a little more RAM than what you
need if you use Windoze. (It seams as xv consumes much more memory when
scanning highres than the Windoze progs do.)


Bye,

Chris

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Re: Big IDE drive on old bios

1996-11-18 Thread David Frey
Paul Christenson writes:
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote:

 I am in the process of building a debian machine for my office
 from surplus parts.
 Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I 
 make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders?  Can I be 
 pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? 

You will be able to boot from floppy.  No problem.

However, the way I recommend is NOT to use lilo, but loadlin.  Create a
small (a few meg) DOS partition as the first partition, and have the
AUTOEXEC.BAT simply run loadlin.

This is in this context complete rubbish. You only have to ensure that you
turn off any translation (put in the true sector/head values) and that the
boot partition lies  1023 cylinders.
After booting linux doesn't need the BIOS anymore.

David

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Re: setenv missing

1996-11-18 Thread David Frey
bash: setenv : command not found

setenv is a C-shell builtin. 
I guess, that you have probably set a C-shell variant as your login in 
shell, but didn't wrote 'su -'.
My suggestion: Change your login shell to bash (chsh -s /bin/bash)
and try again.

David
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dpkg-ftp problems (dselect and kernel source package)... (longish)

1996-11-18 Thread Richard Mortier
Assuming that this is the correct group to ask this type of question,
could someone help with a couple of problems I'm having with Debian
installation:
 
First, dselect (which generally works very well), appears to have become
broken somehow -- I can no longer change the Access method to use. If I
try, I get the following:
 
syntax error at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup line 112, near print
Execution of /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup aborted due to compilation
errors.
 
query/setup script returned error exit status 2.
Press RETURN to continue.
 
Secondly, also with dselect, when I get new packages via FTP, they
download correctly, but with the following message first:

Downloading files... use ^C to stop
Connecting to ftp-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk...
Login as anonymous...
Setting transfer mode to binary...
Cd to /pub/debian...
getting: frozen/binary-i386/admin/dftp_2.1-1.deb
Not a GLOB reference at /usr/lib/perl5/IO/Handle.pm line 285, STDIN
chunk 2 (#1)
(F) Perl was trying to evaluate a reference to a type glob (that is,
a symbol table entry that looks like *foo), but found a reference to
something else instead.  You can use the ref() function to find out
what kind of ref it really was.  See perlref.
 
Finally, (sorry for the length of this!), I can't get the .deb of the
kernel 2.0.23 to work. dpkg -i returns:
 
# dpkg -i kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb 
(Reading database ... 30437 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking kernel-source-2.0.23 (from kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb (--install):
 corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb

I've tried downloading from both the local Cambrdige mirror and Sunsite at
Imperial College, checking binary mode, etc., and I still get this. I
*have* noticed that dselect shows the Avail. Ver. as 0 for this package --
presumably this is wrong? 

Thanks for any help,

Richard Mortier, Churchill College, Cambridge
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Re: PGP and MIME

1996-11-18 Thread Larry 'Daffy' Daffner

Lars Wirzenius writes:
- linh (l.) dang:
-  What should I put in my .mailcap to make pgp handle
-  your application/pgp-signature as text. I use mailcrypt so I don't
-  want rmime invoke anything for pgp stuffs.
- 
- I don't know understand .mailcap (I've never needed it), so I hope
- someone else can help with this problem.

This is probably dependent on the program using it.  With metamail, it
strips the header part of the message part, and therefore doesn't
check the signature correctly.  I use the script below to reassemble
every thing, and call it as:

multipart/signed; showpgpmp %F

where showpgpmp is the name I give the script.

HTH

 cut here 
#!/usr/bin/perl

local($bodycont, , , ) = @ARGV;

$headers =  . H;

open(HEADERS,  $headers);
while(HEADERS) {
chomp;
push(@bodylines, $_\r\n);
}
close(HEADERS);

push(@bodylines, \r\n);

open(BODY,  $body);
while(BODY) {
chomp;
push(@bodylines, $_\r\n);
}
close(BODY);

open(TMPFILE,  /tmp/pgpmsg.$$);

foreach $i (0..0bodylines-1) {
print TMPFILE $bodylines[]
}
close(TMPFILE);

$stat = system(pgp -m +batchmode=on +verbose=0  /tmp/pgpmsg.11640);
sleep 2;
system(less /tmp/pgpmsg.$$);

unlink /tmp/pgpmsg.$$;
 end 
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Re: X is painful

1996-11-18 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Early)  wrote on 15.11.96 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just
 a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to
 the same policy. I wish you luck.

Actually, this is a very good description of the problem.

And I agree with Bill. The situation we have sucks big rocks through  
straws. It sucks even more because it seems there is *no* way to solve  
this problem. (Maybe the FSU can do something. Well, I can dream, can't  
I?)

The designers of X made one *big* error. It's nice to be able to configure  
how the system looks. But the X window manager system doesn't actually do  
that, it only handles a very small part of the system (window decorations,  
window focus, and similar stuff). Had that interface only been richer ...

MfG Kai

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hard disk recommendation

1996-11-18 Thread Lawrence Chim
I am looking for a 4GM SCSI harddisk.  Which brand is better?
I am currently using Quantum GP and it is very noisy.  I looked
at the Web and found that IBM is cheaper then Quantum, while
seagate is the most expensive one (more than $200 over Quantum).

lawrence,

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Re: setenv missing

1996-11-18 Thread Paul Christenson
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Neil Walker wrote:

 Can someone kindly point me in the right direction
 to solve a niggling problem, 
 When I do a `su' command bash comes up with
 an error message,
  
 bash: setenv : command not found

That's because setenv is built into csh/tcsh.  Apparently, you are trying
to run a shell script that is written for csh or tcsh.

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Re: X11 bashing and freeness

1996-11-18 Thread Brian C. White
  I strongly doubt that KDE has the momentum to succeed. It's based on
  Qt, which is a proprietary standard.  Granted the implementation is
  delivered 'free for noncommercial use', but I don't see that as a
  significant difference.  It's still a proprietary toolkit, which will
  keep the GNU crowd disinterested, as well as making it inappropriate
  for Debian proper.
 
 In contrast to motif Qt is fully C++ OO.
 Qt comes with source. Any gpled sw can be distributed with soure or binary
 of Qt.
 Just building proprietary sw without source.. cost money.
 So it is really free and can be well used for gpled sw.

No, it's not free!  You are not free to use it every way you wish.

There are significant restrictions (namely that it can only be used
without-monetary-cost with other without-monetary-cost software).
 
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Re: Corrupt kernel-source package?

1996-11-18 Thread George Bonser

FWIW, I just tried to D/L the kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb from ftp.debian.org
using dpkg-ftp and I got the same problem. There is something wrong with this
package. It should, in my opinion, be removed from the ftp site if a 
replacement can not be made available soonest.


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Martin Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Guy Maor's message dated: 14 Nov 1996 00:56:11 CST
Lamar Folsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I downloaded kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb today and found that dselect/dpkg wa
s 
 unable to install it.

I tried to extract the copy on the master site, and it's fine.  Maybe
your download got corrupted?  md5sum is:

fee75e4ed7841c6b4b18d1e13d97859b  kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb


Guy


 
 I had the same problem and the md5sum checks so it must be something
 else.  Here is the result of my attempt:
 
 bash# dpkg -i kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb
 (Reading database ... 27768 files and directories currently
 installed.)
 Unpacking kernel-source-2.0.23 (from kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb) ...
 dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb (--install):
  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb
 
 
 Any ideas?
 
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Another PPP Question :(

1996-11-18 Thread Kevin Cabral
The biggest problem since I've installed Debian 4 months ago, for
me, has been the configuration of dial-up networking. I've installed all
the appropriate packages, configured the kernel, and gone through the
HOWTOs related to PPP and networking to setup such files as /etc/networks
/etc/resolv.conf and others. Yet, I cannot dialup to my ISP and establish
a network connection that can recognize systems other than my own. I hope
to, on this list, start a diagnosis of this problem with others
cooperation. So, first of all, can some kind person submit a connection
script and /etc/ppp/options file for a PPP dialup that uses PAP, but still
requires an initial login with name and password. Assuming that doesn't
work I'll submit all my appropriate networking files to the list for
critique. 

Sincere Thanks, 

Kevin
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Re: X11 bashing

1996-11-18 Thread Herbert Xu
Martin Konold wrote:
 
 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Larry 'Daffy' Daffner wrote:
 
  - Have look at the kde project.
  [ Stuff snipped ]
 
  I strongly doubt that KDE has the momentum to succeed. It's based on
  Qt, which is a proprietary standard.  Granted the implementation is
  delivered 'free for noncommercial use', but I don't see that as a
  significant difference.  It's still a proprietary toolkit, which will
  keep the GNU crowd disinterested, as well as making it inappropriate
  for Debian proper.
 
 In contrast to motif Qt is fully C++ OO.
 Qt comes with source. Any gpled sw can be distributed with soure or binary
 of Qt.
 Just building proprietary sw without source.. cost money.
 So it is really free and can be well used for gpled sw.

Qt forbids anybody from modifying their source code.  So what
if they changed their license when they've gained enough momentum?
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Re: xv requires libtiff3

1996-11-18 Thread Herbert Xu
Martin Konold wrote:
 
 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I just upgraded to the most recent release of xv from the
  non-free section and it is giving me the dependency problem
  that it requires libtiff3.  Yet, I can't find libtiff3.
  Am I looking in the wrong place or something?
 
 Did you have a look at ftp.sgi.com?
 /sgi/fax/source/tiff-v3.4-tar.gz should work.

Please don't.  Get the proper deb file from ftp.debian.org.
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rocat with debian

1996-11-18 Thread Daniel Stringfield
Are there any Debian users running rocat bbs software out there?

If so..  please send me email direct!

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Re: X11 bashing

1996-11-18 Thread Larry 'Daffy' Daffner

Martin Konold writes:
- In contrast to motif Qt is fully C++ OO.

Buzzword bingo.  Just because it's written in C++ doesn't mean it's
better.
- Qt comes with source.
My mistake.  I was under the impression that Qt was
binary-only. Sorry. But the source distribution is a sham, since you
can not distribute modified copies of Qt.  All you can do with said
source is submit patches to them, which become part of Qt, and are
subject to the same restrictions.  So basically, with the source you
have the right to work for TT without them paying you.

- Just building proprietary sw without source.. cost money.
- So it is really free and can be well used for gpled sw.

These two lines are directly conradictory.  Qt is not 'free'. You can
not modify and distribute Qt. You can not do anything at all with the
source except compile it, and perhaps work for TT for free by
providing them with patches.

- Motif is outdated and broken in my eyes.

How is Motif 'outdated and broken'?  Details, please.

- Lesstiff suffers a lot from beeing forced to implement all these crippled 
- c stuff.
- Qt if fully C++

Yet another strawman.  C is perfectly acceptable for the kernel and
99.999% of the programs running on your machine.  If you feel so
strongly that C is 'crippled', then you'd better start coding, because
you have a lot of programs to rewrite on your system :).

Besides, a large number of C++ compilers just turn it into C and
compile the C anyways.  So your argument here basically boils down to
'I'd rather write programs in C++ so everyone else should too.'.


I still haven't seen a valid reason to support KDE/Qt.

-Larry

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Hypermail (web-based mail archiver) for debian?

1996-11-18 Thread fabrizio carraro
Hello,
Is there a version of Hypermail (the web-based mail archiver) for Debian?

thanks

fabrizio

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Re: g77 failure

1996-11-18 Thread David Engel
Hamish Moffatt writes:
 with it enabled. Ideally, the GCC package will have gcc with
 this enabled, and the GNAT package will not supply a gcc at
 all. Hopefully this will happen for the next GNAT package version,
 which is awaiting GNAT 3.06 (based on gcc 2.7.2.1).

When I was maintaining gcc, I asked multiple times for the maintainer
of GNAT to send me the necessary files, but I never heard from him.
It only takes 2 or 3 files being in the right place and gcc's
configure script will automatically include Ada support.  Fortran
support is already done in this way.

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kerneld and pppd and ip masquerading

1996-11-18 Thread Adam Heath
My friend owns to computers, one running linux, the other with win95.  I
setup /sbin/request-route to run pppd whenever he needs the internet from
w95, and it works ok.

Is there a way that he could run some kind of batch file or script on the
Win95 machine to comunicate to linux to hang up the connection?  He doesn't
want to open a telnet connection, and kill PPPD himself.  It would be
better if he could do it all with one click.


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kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb corrupted

1996-11-18 Thread Esa Turtiainen

Hi,

I just retrieved kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb from a mirror
in Sweden and from a mirror in Finland. Both were corrupted.

I got it from subdirectory 'bo' and transfer went OK. 
The places are not mirrors of each other, the problem is
likely in master.

The error is:

Unpacking kernel-source-2.0.23 (from kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb (--install):
 corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb

Esa


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Dynamic Linking

1996-11-18 Thread GREENE KENNETH ADAM
I'm trying to get GCC to do dynamic linking (I'm new to Linux, was 
using DJGPP on a M$-DOG system).  I can get it to do static linking, 
but not dynamic.  when I do gcc -dynamic -o test test.o it 
generates a static linked ELF binary (according ot ldd).

If this is not the appropriate place for this message, my humblest 
apologies.

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FAQ: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages

1996-11-18 Thread Sven Rudolph
Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
Sven Rudolph, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$Id: packages.sgml,v 1.29 1996/11/17 23:08:48 sr1 Exp sr1 $

1.  General Questions

1.1.Before reading this document

You should have read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ (
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/FAQ/debian-faq.html ).

1.2.Purpose of this document

This document is intended to identify areas that need your
contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

1.3.Feedback

Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please mention to which version of
this document your comments refer.

2.  Packages needing a new maintainer

Please inform me via e-mail:
o  when you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package
o  when you believe that the following list is incomplete
o  when you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here.

David Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  binutils
o  libc5, libc6 (potentially a lot of work)
o  libc4, aout-binutils, aout-gcc (stone-age compatibility packages)

Andrew D. Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  acs

DJ Gregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  cdtool
o  xwpe

Christian Linhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  statserial
o  tgif
o  xarchie

Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  adjtimex
o  fdutils
o  hkgerman
o  html2latex
o  metamail

Dale Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  lclint
o  mailx

Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  acm
o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)
o  pmake

Jim Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  auctex
o  netpbm
o  xless
o  xpaste

Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  seyon

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  sokoban

Andrew Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  xtron

Dominik Kubla [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  amd
o  kbd
o  vlock
o  ssh (ITAR restricted, needs US maintainer)

Doug Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  abuse
o  apsfilter

3.  Packages that someone is working on

Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
responsible person listed below.

Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)
o  and probably : xli

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl R. Sackett) :
o  LEE - Latent Energy Environments artificial life simulator
o  rsaref - installer scripts for the RSAREF crypto library
o  swarm - Objective-C based artificial life research tool
o  GNU Smalltalk
o  mimedecode: decodes transfer encoded text type mime messages.
o  rel: determines relevance of text documents to a set of keywords.
o  utf-mailx: scripts to add UTF support to mailx.

Mike Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  mule

Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  xbill

Behan Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)
o  qfax (multi-user e-mail extension to efax).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
o  tkHTML

Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  giftool
o  canna
o  lx-gdb

Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  glimpsehttpd

Warwick Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
   strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  CLISP

David H. Silber [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.
o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.
o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
   uucp package.
o  latex2html

Hakan Ardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  faces - visual list monitor

Brian Sulcer [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  vile (vi-like editor)
o  rogue
o  umoria

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11
o  mutt: a new mailreader
   (ftp.infodrom.north.de:/pub/people/joey/debian/beta)

Michael Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.
o  nntplink

Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  spice (circuit simulation package)

Billy Chow [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  xbomb

Alan Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  gpc (GNU Pascal)

Christophe Le Bars [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml
o  doc-debian-fr

Yves Arrouye [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  btoa

Jon Rabone [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  SISCAD

Christian Lynbech [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  ilisp (emacs interface to a number of lisp systems)
o  hyperbole (emacs hypertext/info management system)
o  oobr (emacs package for browsing OO programs)
o  STk (Scheme Tk, a scheme interpreter with Tk support)

Christian Hudon [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  qmail (waiting for license change)

Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  exim (a mail transfer agent,
   ftp://cus.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programs/exim)

Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  metapost (postscript generating language similar to metafont)
o  penguin (a module/framework for implementing safely distributable
   perl code (applets, agents, etc.))
o  libio-perl (Perl5 IO module)
o  libsafe-perl (Perl5 Safe module)
o  TeX 

setenv

1996-11-18 Thread Joe Feenin
 Can someone kindly point me in the right direction
 to solve a niggling problem, 
 When I do a `su' command bash comes up with
 an error message,
  
 bash: setenv : command not found

the setenv command is built into the csh shell to set environment
variables, in bash the corresponding command is export.  I do not have such
a problem running the su command on my system is su linked to some sort of
script on your system?

Joe

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IPFWADM and telnet

1996-11-18 Thread Adam Heath
I current connect to the Internet with PPPD, and all works well.  I have
compiled my kernel (2.0.24) with IP_MASQ enabled, and have verified that
this works.  Here is my question.

Can it be setup, so that when someone telnets into the Linux box, instead
of the request being handled there, it is masqueraded to one of the private
computers on the LAN?  I have a DOS-based BBS that I can setup to accept
incoming telnet, but it won't work through DOSEMU.

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Re: Strange behavior of lpr+lpd

1996-11-18 Thread David Frey
On Sat, 16 Nov 96 23:04:57 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wrote a new filter and nothing come out of the printer. So I  
invoked the filter manually with the output redirected to /dev/lp1  
and all worked fine. I also tried apsfilter and magicfilter but they  
did not function. So, I think the problem is in lpr+lpd.

Maybe, but please post your filter(s) and the /etc/printcap file, so
that we can examine the problem.

David

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dbackup

1996-11-18 Thread Esa Turtiainen

Hi,

I just tested a package dbackup in experimental. It is exactly
what I want: a list of files in my computer that are not a part
of debian system. Is there another, more supported way to accomplish
the same?

Esa

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kerneld and pppd and /sbin/request-route

1996-11-18 Thread Adam Heath
I have set kerneld to automatically run pppd through /sbin/request-route
whenever I need the internet.  The only problem is that I still get a
timeout(or I just need to re-request the connection) from the kernel.  I
run FTP, then PPPD dials and connects, but FTP has timed-out.  I get the
same problem with LYNX and NETSCAPE.

Can anyone help?

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network problems at list server

1996-11-18 Thread Bruce Perens
There seems to be a bad AlterNet link between master.debian.org and Pixar.
This might mess up mailing list service until they get it working.

Bruce
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Re: Crack and cops

1996-11-18 Thread Rob Browning
CoB SysAdmin (Joe Emenaker) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If the only impediment is that they need a maintainer

Yes.

 , what do I need to do to enlist? (Probably check the FAQ first,
 huh? Duh!)

See the Work Needing and Prospective Packages document.  I'm not sure
where it it kept, but it's posted to one of the lists (debian-devel?)
on a regular basis.  There you can make sure someone else hasn't
claimed it, and can see how to become a maintainer.

Note that there is a new qcrack package.  I don't know how that
relates to crack.

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No CD Now what?

1996-11-18 Thread Joe Feenin
OK so I installed (or tried to install) Debian 1.1.4 from the CD set I
picked up at the computer show today.  One problem and it's a HUGE one.  It
doesn't see my CDROM.  No matter what I try, no dice.  Why is this?  I have
a Sony CDU-33a which should use the cdu31a driver and it works as such in
all other installations, including Redhat, Caldera, and Slakware but Debian
refuses to initialize it.  At the boot prompt I included (as instructed)
the proper parameters as my drive is addressed at 0x320 not the default
0x340.  The command I included at the prompt was linux cdu31a=0x320,0 and
when installing the driver module after you click install it asks for
parameters and I also tried the following parameters there:
cdu31a=0x320,0, 0x320,0, 0x320 you name it I tried it nothing worked.
 It continually returned something like 'cdu31a' symbol not found or
nothing then said installation failed.  How can I get his thing installed? 
I do not have enough HD to try it from there.  I tried to install Slakware
96 and as I heard it's buggy, Xprobeonly won't even work and therefor no X.
 Someone please help!

Joe

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What files are need for accessing the internet ?

1996-11-18 Thread melanin2
Hi,

I have a mac computer that displays a message that says
missing ppp drivers  when I try to access the internet with my 
aol software or wizzard (local internet provider) can you help me ?


I can't afford the mac chareges for helping me. Can you tell me if there's a
internet site I can look at (on my friends computer right now) and find out how
to get my mac connected to the internet.

maybe you just pass this message along, I'm really knew at this.

Thanks for your time and any advise
Melanin2

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Re: XFree86 3.2 Initial Reports

1996-11-18 Thread Stephen Pitts
If you want the login screen to look pretty, just grab a copy of
XBanner from http://chaos.fullerton.edu , the XBanner home page. A
Debian package is available. 
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Re: UUCP lib/distribution mismatch

1996-11-18 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Carl Greco wrote:

 The uucp_1.06.1-2.deb that was included in the Debian 1.1-14
 distribution is not compatible with libc.  The executables (uucico,
 etc) are looking for libc.so.4 while this distribution comes with
 libc.so.5. Is there an updated compiled uucp packages available?
 
You will need to install the libc4 package in devel. There are still some
a.out programs in the distribution that need this library. Both libc4 and
libc5 were made to be installed together for this very reason.

Luck,

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Re: network problems at list server

1996-11-18 Thread Mike Neuffer
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

 There seems to be a bad AlterNet link between master.debian.org and Pixar.
 This might mess up mailing list service until they get it working.

Actually it is worse then that UUNET seems to have severe problems at the
moment. They confirmed 70% packet drop at the SF NAP and seem to have 
additional breakdowns at other exchanges and internal routers.

I've been on the phone with them and we have an open trouble ticket.

Mike

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Cannot install kernel module sbpcd with reveal CD drice

1996-11-18 Thread David Welton
Please excuse me if I am wrong in my assumption that this is the correct
place to ask a question such as the following...

I am really in a bind here.  After an agonizing week of waiting, my new
debian CD showed up and I got to work installing.  Everything went
smoothly untill I went to install the kernel modules.  I have a 'reveal'
cd rom drive (possibly made by panasonic), that connects to the SC400
Reveal 4R sound card.  

I tried to install the sbpcd module for the kernel during the install, 
but after taking 5 minutes or so to test a variety of addresses and names 
(SoundBlaster, Lasersomethingorother, etc), it said that the installation 
failed.  It seemed to get something at 0x230 SoundBlaster (the busy light 
on the drive went on) but after spending a bit of time there, it just 
continues.

I took those parameters and tried to feed them in manually doing:
append sbpcd=0x230,SoundBlaster
but it doesnt do anything.  I read the CDROM howto, and that was the only 
advice I could glean from it.

As you may have gathered, I am really at a loss here, and would be most 
grateful for any help offered.

Ciao,

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Re: bo, rex?

1996-11-18 Thread Guy Maor
Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 why there is bo in the ftp site?  Is it the same as rex?

If you look at the symlinks, you'll see that unstable points to bo and
frozen points to rex.  rex is the frozen 1.2 tree.  Lots of packages
are still going into it as bugs get fixed, but no new packages and no
major upstream upgrades.


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Re: Big IDE drive on old bios

1996-11-18 Thread Bill Roman
David Frey wrote:
 
 Paul Christenson writes:
 On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote:
 
  Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I 
  make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders?
 
 [...]  You only have to ensure that you
 turn off any translation (put in the true sector/head values) and that the
 boot partition lies  1023 cylinders.
 After booting linux doesn't need the BIOS anymore.

Basically right, but large IDE disks don't have true values for sectors
per track that the BIOS can use.  There are generally different numbers of
sectors on different tracks (there's more room on the outer tracks) and
often too many sectors to address in the measly six bits allowed by the BIOS.

All IDE drives translate internally from fairly arbitrary parameters to
the physical location on the disk.  The host system tells the drive how
many heads and sectors it will use, and the drive's controller does the
appropriate mapping.

I know I've seen a FAQ, HOWTO or mini-HOWTO on this topic, but I can't seem
to find it just now.

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Re: X is painful

1996-11-18 Thread Stuart Lamble

Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stephen Early wrote:
 Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just
 a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to
 the same policy. I wish you luck.

I agree that this is very diffcult.  But the Debian developers
should do their best at getting Debian programs to cooperate.

This isn't trivial. As Stephen said, X provides the basics for graphical
development; it doesn't provide any fancy schmancy stuff like menus, push
buttons, etc. That's done by such things as Motif, xforms, Qt, etc.
Converting an X program from one such library to another is a less than
easy task.. so any attempt to produce a uniform interface is going to
fail. Simple as that.

It's a nice idea, but... :-)

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Please do not use Qt

1996-11-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Martin Konold writes:
 Qt comes with source. Any gpled sw can be distributed with soure or
 binary of Qt.

No, I believe you are wrong (or at least, that the issue is _much_
more complicated than you suggest).  The GPL requires:

 2. [ source code distribution and modification ]
 ...
 b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
 whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
 part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
 parties under the terms of this License.

 3. [ binary distribution and modification ]
 ... under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above
 ... and also
 a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable
 source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections
 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

 The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for
 making modifications to it.  For an executable work, complete source
 code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any
 associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to
 control compilation and installation of the executable.  However, as a
 special exception, the source code distributed need not include
 anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary
 form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the
 operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component
 itself accompanies the executable.

This definitely means that you can't distribute a statically linked
binary containing both GPL'd code and Qt, because the complete source
code to Qt (strictly, the parts that had been linked into your binary)
would have to be distributed under the GPL (which would be a violation
of the Qt licence).

Whether or not you can distribute a dynamically linked binary depends
on the meaning of `executable work'.  If in the case of dynamic
linking the `executable work' is only the dynamically linked
executable then you can distribute it (if as seems reasonable a
dynamically linked binary is taken not to `contain' the libraries its
linked against, but merely to refer to them).

If `executable work' applies only to the ensemble of a dynamically
linked binary and the libraries required to run it (which is the
position I'd take, because a dynamically linked binary isn't
executable on its own) then the paragraph defining the meaning of
complete source code for an executable work doesn't apply to the
distribution of just a dynamically linked executable.

In this case we have to decide for ourselves what the `complete source
code' for the executable is, and to my mind that would include the
source code for any libraries it was linked against.  This
interpretation is supported by the fact that the GPL has a special
exception for operating system libraries, as you see above.

Thus, according to my interpretation of the GPL you can't distribute
dynamically linked binaries of GPL'd code linked against Qt.

However, even if you disagree with my interpretation and thus think
that distributing dynamically-linked binaries is OK, further under
section 2 we see:

 These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole.  If
 identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program,
 and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in
 themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those
 sections when you distribute them as separate works.  But when you
 distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based
 on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of
 this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the
 entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.

 Thus, it is not the intent of this section to claim rights or contest
 your rights to work written entirely by you; rather, the intent is to
 exercise the right to control the distribution of derivative or
 collective works based on the Program.

 In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program
 with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of
 a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under
 the scope of this License.

Thus if you distribute as a single program GPL'd code which uses Qt
together with Qt itself you are in clear breach of the GPL even if you
distribute only the source code.  Exactly whether something is a
`whole work' or `mere aggregation' is often unclear.

Furthermore, in the Qt licence we see the requirement:

 * Your software does not require modifications to Qt.

... and ...

   If you are paid to develop something with Qt or it is a part of your
   job the following conditions also apply:  
 * Your software must not require libraries, programs, data or
   documentation that are not available outside your organization in
   order to 

Re: bo, rex?

1996-11-18 Thread Rob Browning
Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 why there is bo in the ftp site?  Is it the same as rex?

bo is the new unstable release.  rex was the previous unstable release
that has gone into code freeze, and should become the next stable
release in time.

Right now:

  unstable -- bo
  frozen -- rex
  stable -- buzz

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Re: setenv missing

1996-11-18 Thread Bjoern-Bernhard Schad
Hi Neil,

 Can someone kindly point me in the right direction
 to solve a niggling problem, 
 When I do a `su' command bash comes up with
 an error message,
  
 bash: setenv : command not found
 
 I have a man page for setenv which refers 
 to stdlib.h, this I have in,
 
 `/usr/include/bsd/stdlib.h' and `/usr/include/stdlib.h'
 
 but I cannot find setenv etc on my system, and
 when I am in in a child shell my path is unknown.
 The kernel is custom 2.0.6 and mostly modular.

There is no setenv binary. It is built into (t)csh and for
bash you have to use the builtin 'export'. The manpage is
about a library function of that name (which you cannot use
from your shell).

If your su command fails this is an error (in su?). So you
should check, what su is (use the 'type' command from bash,
'which' from (t)csh).

Hope I could help. Bye,
Bjoern.
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Re: kernel version

1996-11-18 Thread Paul Seelig
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On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Joe Feenin wrote:
I have been told that the Debian distribution is based on the 2.x kernel
 version.  Is this true?  If so if I buy a recent release of a CDROM set say
 Informagics will it include this release?  I desparately need an actual
 distribution based on the 2.x kernel versions, Ive been told Debian is it. 
 Perhaps you all could tell me if I heard correctly.

Infomagic's Developers Resource includes a 2.0x kernel Debian-1.1.4. But
in your case i'd rather wait till 1.2 is out and order a just-in-time made
CD-ROM from I-Connect. Or if you can't wait then at least buy the latest
Debian-1.1.14 from them. You get more quality value for your money this
way. Check http://www.i-connect.net; for more information.
  P. *8^)
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Re: Deselect issues(was R: Is `.deb' still better than `.rpm'?)

1996-11-18 Thread fols9488
   My only complaint is that it autoinstalls updated packages.  There have
   been a number of times that I wanted to grab one new package via ftp
   install, and came up with 10 megs of updated packages.
 
   Here, here...I second this.  I know you can confirm what to get but
   maybe there should be single question to overide this default behavior
   or something.
 
  I am a little confused here - dpkg-ftp prompts you if it should get
  all the new packages marked for installation or if it should prompt
  for each one separately.   What more do you want?  Should the
  questions be worded better?
 
 The problem isn't that I *have to* get everything; it's that it's the
 default, and the default can't be changed.
 
 I ran into this one on a machine that I wanted to keep stable.
 Unfortunately, I needed to go to unstable to get make-kpkg, and
 ended up upgrading nearly everything.  (This was very early in my Debian
 career.)  I still run into this occasionally when I go to a different
 site to look for something.
 
 Normally, the default is what I want, but there are times when I don't.
 
 The problem with using the hold feature is that if I set all updated
 packages to hold, then do an update, I have holds scattered all
 throughout the list.
 
 One solution would be to hade an unhold feature, which sets the status
 according to the currently-installed status.
 

I don't understand this.  The 'default' behavior of dpkg-ftp is to _ask_ the 
user if they want to get all of the new/updated packages prior to initiating 
the ftp connection.  If I only want one or two packages right then, I can 
select only those packages and the rest can be retrieved (or not) the next time 
I select [I]nstall.  This seems to be exactly the behavior you're looking for, 
yes?  Maybe I've misunderstood.
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Re: Hypermail (web-based mail archiver) for debian?

1996-11-18 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
 Is there a version of Hypermail (the web-based mail archiver) for Debian?

No.

Having used Hypermail, I recommend mhonarc (hypermail dumped core when used
on large archives on FreeBSD), which is packaged:

Version: 1.2.3-2 Last modified: Mon Sep 23 09:19:52 1996 
Architecture: i386 
Maintainer: 
 Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Description: 
 Mail to HTML converter _MHonArc_ is a Perl program for converting e-mail
 messages as 
 specified in RFC 822 and RFC 1521 (_MIME_) to HTML. 
Depends: 
 perl 

Hope this helps,
Ray
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Re: kernel version

1996-11-18 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:22:06 EST Joe Feenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

I have been told that the Debian distribution is based on the 2.x kernel
 version.  Is this true?  If so if I buy a recent release of a CDROM set say
 Informagics will it include this release?  I desparately need an actual
 distribution based on the 2.x kernel versions, Ive been told Debian is it. 
 Perhaps you all could tell me if I heard correctly.

Yep, Debian 1.1 is based on 2.0. I know that Infomagick sells Debian 1.1 on the 
latest Infomagick CD set.
If you can wait a little bit, Debian 1.2 is currently under code freeze and has 
more and better packages than 1.1 !
For the latest Debian CD source, have a look a http://www.i-connect.net and 
http://www.i-connect.net/i-connect/services/cdrom.html

Phil.


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Re: bo, rex?

1996-11-18 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:02:45 +1100 Lawrence Chim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
t.edu.au) wrote:

 why there is bo in the ftp site?  Is it the same as rex?

Rex, aka frozen, aka 1.2 is under code freeze. No new package is added there. 
Bo is the new development (unstable) version.
Currently, most of the bo packages are symlinks to rex, so nothing is 
duplicated.

Phil.


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Re: X11 bashing

1996-11-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ]

Larry 'Daffy' Daffner:
 I still haven't seen a valid reason to support KDE/Qt.

It looks better than Athena widgets. :-)

(I use xaw95 myself. I haven't tried Qt or KDE, nor am I interested
in with the current copyrights.)

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Re: kerneld and pppd and /sbin/request-route

1996-11-18 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sat, 17 Nov 2096 16:03:16 EST Adam Heath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
g) wrote:

 I have set kerneld to automatically run pppd through /sbin/request-route
 whenever I need the internet.  The only problem is that I still get a
 timeout(or I just need to re-request the connection) from the kernel.  I
 run FTP, then PPPD dials and connects, but FTP has timed-out.  I get the
 same problem with LYNX and NETSCAPE.

The fix is quite simple once you know it. Generally, connections start with a 
bind request (ie resolving the address). Just list you name server more than 
once in /etc/resolv.conf (two or three time will do the trick).
This way, the resolver will try all the servers in turn if they fail, and 
you'll get what you want. I think I've read somewhere there's a limitation of 
three servers (ie the fourth and after `nameserver' lines in resolv.conf won't 
be used whatever happpens).

Phil.


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Ethernet card problems

1996-11-18 Thread Hakan Ardo
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Hi,
I have just installed he base debian system on a new box, but I can't get
the networking to work. I am using the smc_ultra driver, and it finds the
card alright, and repports no errors at boot time. According to the
ifconfig package counters, all transmittet packages are countet as OK, but
all recieved packages are counted as errors. But I see no errorreports
anywhere. Does anyone know where to find them, or what to do about it?
Thanx for any help.

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What Debian packages do I need to grab to upgared to Xfree 3.2

1996-11-18 Thread Stan Brown
Could someone give me a complete list of the Debian packages neededto
upgradeto XFree 3.2 ?

I have compiled it and run it on my Debian machine, and it is a big win
for my S3 card, but I would like to keep dpkgs database up to date on
the state of my machine. I grabe everything in unstable/boinary/x11
that had a 3.2 in the filename, and this appears to not be the complete
set.

Thanks.

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Re: ldconfig warning : inconsistent soname??

1996-11-18 Thread Martin Konold
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:

   ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1b1 has inconsistent soname
   (libtix.so.4.1), skipping
  
  That's a bug in whatever package provides /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1.b1.
  File a bug report.
 
 It's been fixed in tix41-4.1b1-4, and is uploaded to master.
 Available soon in rex and bo at your closest debian mirror.

Similar problems here with:
ldconfig: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libncurses.so.1.9.9e has inconsistent
soname (
libncurses.so.3.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1b1 has inconsistent soname
(libtix.so.4
.1), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libmenu.so.1.9.9e has inconsistent soname
(libmenu.s
o.3.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libpanel.so.1.9.9e has inconsistent soname
(libpanel
.so.3.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libform.so.1.9.9e has inconsistent soname
(libform.s
o.3.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libhistory.so.2.0.1 has inconsistent soname
(libread
line.so.2.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /lib/libncurses.so has inconsistent soname
(libncurses.so.3.0
), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /lib/libncurses.so.3 has inconsistent soname
(libncurses.so.3
.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /lib/libncurses.so.1.9 has inconsistent soname
(libncurses.so
.3.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /lib/libncurses.so.1.9.9e has inconsistent soname
(libncurses
.so.3.0), skipping
ldconfig: warning: /lib/libncurses.so.2.1 has inconsistent soname
(libncurses.so
.3.0), skipping


Yours,
-- martin

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Re: Support for Page Scanners (ie. HP ScanJets)

1996-11-18 Thread Jose Manuel Cerqueira Esteves

[NOTE: I am sending this again because for some strange reason
 only part of this message was distributed by the debian-user list...]

On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, GREENE KENNETH ADAM wrote:

This is important, so any help is greatly appreciated (I am to 
 make a recommendation as to a complete system to handle Web pages, 
 E-Mail and networks for a small university, and If I can get their 
 ScanJet to work, I probably could sell them, They use Adobe 

Greetings

The most interesting option for image acquisition with HP scanners under
Linux seems to be `XVScan', which is based on John Bradley's `xv'. You can
find information about XVScan at http://www.tummy.com/. It's not free,
but you can get it for $50US (it includes source code). I haven't used it
yet, but am planning to buy it (currently we only boot M$-DOS/windows when
there is a need to use the acquisition and OCR software which came with
our ScanJet 4c). 

If only there was a nice OCR package which could run under Linux...
(sometimes I dream of starting such a (free OCR) project myself, but... 
I am aware that there would be a LOT to learn before).  Let's hope HP 
(or some competitor) starts paying more attention to Microsoft-free 
environments... 
 
   JM

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Re: IPFWADM and telnet

1996-11-18 Thread Remco van de Meent
Adam Heath wrote:
|I current connect to the Internet with PPPD, and all works well.  I have
|compiled my kernel (2.0.24) with IP_MASQ enabled, and have verified that
|this works.  Here is my question.
|
|Can it be setup, so that when someone telnets into the Linux box, instead
|of the request being handled there, it is masqueraded to one of the private
|computers on the LAN?  I have a DOS-based BBS that I can setup to accept
|incoming telnet, but it won't work through DOSEMU.
|

Have a look at 'redir', which you can find at sunsite.unc.edu.

It will handle the following idea for you:


 |-- LAN_machine_1
 |
 |
remote_machine---gateway-|-- LAN_machine_2
 |
 |
 |-- LAN_machine_3


 ^^  ^^  ^^
telnet client to  redir  several
 gateway program   telnet daemons


You can bind each port on your gateway to another, or the same, port on one
of your LAN-machines.

For example:   'telnet gateway 10001'
 will cause a connection to your LAN_machine_1



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xterm fails

1996-11-18 Thread Michael Harnois
After upgrading a number of packages from the unstable tree, including x 3.2,
suddenly xterm would no longer run. It gives the error xterm: Error 14, errno
13: Permission denied. All my other X programs, including rxvt, work fine. Are
there files that xterm opens or writes to that rxvt does not, or what else
could this be?

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kernel-image-2.0.23_0 in Debian 1.1.14

1996-11-18 Thread Kevin Scott
I have just upgraded one machine to 1.1.14 and the 2.0.23 kernel, and
am having some problems with the networking.  In particular, running
xdm on a remote server (using X -query host) seems to freeze, whereas
it works OK when I boot up with the previous kernel version (2.0.6).

Is this a problem that anyone else has encountered, or do I need to
dig deeper myself?

Thanks for any pointers,

Kevin

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Philips Research LaboratoriesTel: +44 1293 815281
Cross Oak Lane, Redhill  Fax: +44 1293 815000
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bigger network!

1996-11-18 Thread Dirk Luetjens
Hello again,

thank to everybody how help me during the installation in a bigger
network. It took me a few days to get everything to run, but now I
hope I can work on my normal job again.

Dirk

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cfengine?

1996-11-18 Thread Dirk Luetjens

in cfengine all machines belong to several classes, e.g

mail_server = ( tango )
mail_client = ( samba rumba )

home_server = ( samba )
...

In a cfengine-file one can use these classes to perfom any action. But
when I want to perform the e.g. the following action

copy:
  mail_server::
do something

  mail_client::
do something

  home_server::
do something

the script doesn't perform the last entry for home_server on samba,
because the host samba already belongs to the class mail_client and a
action for this host is already performed. Isn't there a possibility
to test for all classes if the hosts belongs to it or not?

Dirk

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Re: bo, rex?

1996-11-18 Thread Brian C. White
 why there is bo in the ftp site?  Is it the same as rex?

Rex has been frozen so only bug fixes are going there.  It should be released
as stable in a couple weeks.  Bo is the new unstable tree.
 
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Re: X11 bashing

1996-11-18 Thread Brian C. White
 Qt forbids anybody from modifying their source code.  So what
 if they changed their license when they've gained enough momentum?

As far as I understand it, you can release code with a new licence, but
you cannot change the licence on released code.  Thus, if they changed
their licence we would be stuck with the older code.
 
  Brian
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Re: Most Netscape problem

1996-11-18 Thread Brian C. White
 Also, I missed the instructions on how to get Netscape working.  I'm using
 3.01, and its crapping out whenever it hits any Java.  Can someone repost?

Use the Debian package for Netscape 3.01.  I beleive it's still in Incoming
at the moment.
 
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Re: Most Netscape problem

1996-11-18 Thread Rick Macdonald
Greg Smith wrote:
 
 I upgraded to many of the unstable packages the other day, and now most
 only works from the console.  From a xterm window, I get Terminal not
 powerful enough for SLang  This is my favorite viewer, so I would really
 like for it to work again.  What's wrong?

I think is is because your have TERMCAP or a similar environment
variable
st. Just unset it.

Also, I missed the instructions on how to get Netscape working.  I'm
using
3.01, and its crapping out whenever it hits any Java.  Can someone
repost?

I saved this quote from somebody: (the libgnumalloc.so.5 file
comes with libc5_5.4.7-7.deb)

I use this as /usr/local/lib/netscape:
 
#!/bin/sh
LD_PRELOAD=libgnumalloc.so.5 \
exec /usr/local/lib/netscape/netscape $@

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Sources for rootdisk

1996-11-18 Thread Juan Cespedes
I think the subject says it all... I'm looking for the
sources of the programs found on Debian rootdisks.  Can anybody
help me?

Thanks,
Juan Cespedes

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Re: Report: The Transname Patch

1996-11-18 Thread Joey Hess
  Has anyone heard of the Transname Patch for Linux?  I downloaded it
 and am testing it now, and it seems to work very well!  There is a
 version against kernel 2.0.25 on my WWW site that you can have.

Yes, I've been using transname with debian for a couple of months. I have
2 diskless computers that use transname to mount / from my server.

There are some problems getting it to work with debian, notably in the
/etc/init.d/boot file. I think that sysvinit's maintainer has incorporated
one change into it that makes nametrans easier to set up (don't delete
/etc/mtab, just erase the contents of it).

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Re: Cannot install kernel module sbpcd with reveal CD drice

1996-11-18 Thread Jim Pick

 Please excuse me if I am wrong in my assumption that this is the correct
 place to ask a question such as the following...
 
 I am really in a bind here.  After an agonizing week of waiting, my new
 debian CD showed up and I got to work installing.  Everything went
 smoothly untill I went to install the kernel modules.  I have a 'reveal'
 cd rom drive (possibly made by panasonic), that connects to the SC400
 Reveal 4R sound card.  
 

I've got a Reveal 4R sound card and CD in my old 386 running Linux.  The
CD that comes with the package (in my case) is actually a Goldstar R420.
Recompile your kernel to see if that driver works.

Does your config.sys for DOS say:

DEVICE=C:\DRIVERS\SC400\GCDR420.SYS /D:MSCD001 /V/C /M:P /B:340

If it does, then you definitely have a Goldstar.  Fortunately, it's
supported by Linux.

I haven't attempted trying to get the sound card portion of the package
working - so I don't know how to do that.

Cheers,

 - Jim

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Re: g77 failure

1996-11-18 Thread Mark Eichin
The Ada package as shipped from NYU includes a replacement gcc binary
for the matching release; I was going to avoid the problem by shipping
it as ada-gcc instead of the redirected gcc (I didn't really expect
2.7.2.1 to come out, and 2.8 will have all the changes built in...)

The GNAT package has to match the gcc release anyway, so having the
patches in wouldn't have helped much -- 3.05 is still current, and
still requires 2.7.2 [3.08 was the last one mentioned as a release
candidate after 3.07 had some problems...]

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About the loop device

1996-11-18 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
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Hi,

I'd love to handle dosemu's hdimage files without dosemu.
What must I do to use a loop device with Debian?
(Will cd /dev; mknod loopx b 7 x for x=0,...,7 be enough?)
Should I have to recompile the kernel?
If yes, will Debian 1.2 support loop device directly?

Thanks.

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radiusd

1996-11-18 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Is there a HOWTO or detailed info on how to setup radiusd?

I tried a web search but it returns basically 1,000's of ASCEND and 
portmaster realted stuff... nothing really on how to setup and configure 
it.

TIA
Ricardo

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Re: ldconfig warning : inconsistent soname??

1996-11-18 Thread David Engel
Martin Konold writes:
 Similar problems here with:
 ldconfig: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libncurses.so.1.9.9e has inconsistent
 soname (
 libncurses.so.3.0), skipping

What in the worlkd is ncurses doing in /usr/X11R6/lib?  It's supposed
to be in /lib.  Please install the Debian version which is named
correctly.

 ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libhistory.so.2.0.1 has inconsistent soname
 (libread
 line.so.2.0), skipping

This is a known bug in the readline package.

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Re: Dynamic Linking

1996-11-18 Thread David Engel
GREENE  KENNETH ADAM writes:
 I'm trying to get GCC to do dynamic linking (I'm new to Linux, was 
 using DJGPP on a M$-DOG system).  I can get it to do static linking, 
 but not dynamic.  when I do gcc -dynamic -o test test.o it 
 generates a static linked ELF binary (according ot ldd).

Some of your lib*.so symlinks might have been deleted accidentally.
Reinstall the appropriate *-dev packages and see if that fixes it.

 If this is not the appropriate place for this message, my humblest 
 apologies.

Yes, this is the right place.

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Re: radiusd

1996-11-18 Thread Mike Taylor
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

 Is there a HOWTO or detailed info on how to setup radiusd?
 
 I tried a web search but it returns basically 1,000's of ASCEND and 
 portmaster realted stuff... nothing really on how to setup and configure 
 it.
 
Go to the livingston site at http://www.livingston.com/ there you will 
find all the information you ever wanted about radius.  Just look around a 
bit.  That's for the radius server, I don't have info about the client 
software. (I just use a portmaster).

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Re: Routing Problems

1996-11-18 Thread Hakan Ardo
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On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Kevin Traas wrote:

 
 Whenever I try viewing the current routing tables by typing route or 
 netstat -r at the command prompt I only get the standard header - no 
 information.  The command just hangs and I must Ctrl-C to get out.  I've 
 heard from someone that this occassionally happens to him - but I've never
 successfully viewed the routing table.
 
 I'm pretty sure I've got everything configured correctly - ifconfig shows 
 the expected three interfaces: loopback, ethernet, and serial.
 
 Any ideas why?  If so, please help!

Trye a route -n, otherwise route tries to look up the IP numbers in your
nameserver, and if it get's no anser from it, route will hang.

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Alternative to xfontsel? (little off topic)

1996-11-18 Thread Rob Browning

I was wondering if there was some alternative in one of the debian
packages to xfontsel that would show all the fonts installed in the
server in a scrolling window.  It's a real pain to have to go picking
through the fonts one at a time.

Thanks
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Re: postgres95 install

1996-11-18 Thread Craig Sanders

There is already a postgres95 package for debian:

Package: postgres95
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: devel
Maintainer: Emanuele Pucciarelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Version: 1.01-1
Depends: libc5
Conffiles:
 /var/lib/postgres95/pg_hba a7e0e850f5fc752d22b703c39b6eaf66
Description: A Data Base Management System
 From the FAQ: Postgres95 is an enhancement of the POSTGRES database
 management system, a next-generation DBMS research prototype.
 .
 While Postgres95 retains the powerful data model and rich data
 types of POSTGRES, it replaces the PostQuel query language with an
 extended subset of SQL.  Postgres95 is free and the complete
 source is available.


On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, kazem wrote:

 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:19:47 -0700
 From: kazem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: postgres95 install
 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:22:56 +1100
 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 
 Hi,
 
   I could finally install postgres95.1.0 in my box linux.
   For whose that are intresseted, here how did i do
   (sorry, my method appear to be barbar but it work).
   Important: THERE IS NO GUARANTIE IN MY METHOD.

Craig


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Switching from AcceleratedX to new xserver-svga killed meta.

1996-11-18 Thread Rob Browning

I just switched to xserver-svga from AcceleratedX, and everything
wen't smoothly, except that Meta no longer works right in emacs.  I
can't say things like M-q and have the right thing happen.

I thought uncommenting the /etc/X11/XF86Config line 

  LeftAlt Meta

would fix it, but it didn't appear to have any effect.  Is there
something else I need to do?

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Re: Strange behavior of lpr+lpd

1996-11-18 Thread rac0043
You wrote:
 Maybe, but please post your filter(s) and the /etc/printcap file,
 so that we can examine the problem.

This is my printcap:

lp|Generic dot-matrix printer entry:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
:if=/etc/filter.ps:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:\
:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\
:pl#66:\
:pw#80:\
:pc#150:\
:mx#0:\
:sh:

This is my filter.ps:

#!/bin/sh

/usr/local/bin/gs -q -sDEVICE=stcolor \
-sPAPERSIZE=a4  -dNOPAUSE\
-r360x360 -dSAFER -dOutputCode=512 -sOutputFile=- -


If I invoke the filter with /etc/filter.ps filetoprint.ps  
/dev/lp1 the printer prints.

If I do lpr filetoprint.ps nothing appear.
If I do lpq it says lp is ready and is printing but it is not true.
If in the printcap I change the if directive with of the lpq  
command says that there is not the lpd running but it is not true  
because ps -aux shows it running.



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Re: X is painful

1996-11-18 Thread rdm

Stephen Early wrote:
 Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just
 a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to
 the same policy. I wish you luck.

Herbert Xu wrote:
I agree that this is very diffcult.  But the Debian developers
should do their best at getting Debian programs to cooperate.

Stuart Lamble wrote:
This isn't trivial. As Stephen said, X provides the basics for graphical
development; it doesn't provide any fancy schmancy stuff like menus, push
buttons, etc. That's done by such things as Motif, xforms, Qt, etc.
Converting an X program from one such library to another is a less than
easy task.. so any attempt to produce a uniform interface is going to
fail. Simple as that.

But we have some fairly powerful tools at our disposal.  Probably the
most powerful of which is the shell command line.

If we define simple set of shell command line operations to do menus,
push buttons, etc., for our purposes, we can provide arbitrary
programs to fill those needs.  If we do it properly (just focus on
providing the semantics we need, from simple commands), we should be
able to plug in new programs as technology advances.  Note that, in
the long run, this doesn't tie us to X.

Simple technologies which may lead in the right direction are TK
(wish/wishx/expectk/..), and perhaps things like xmessage or 9menu.

I think it's a good idea to avoid being too closely tied to the
featurism of things like motif, or even xlib.  [I think that patterning
our efforts after the technologies developed at lucent (plan9, etc.)
would be a good thing -- but I don't want to push this *too* hard.]

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sendmail-8.[78].* bug \ {sendmail-8.8.3}

1996-11-18 Thread Remco van de Meent
Hey


Will there be a new sendmail ready to use for Debian 1.1, in short time,
including the latest patches (8.8.3) ? So, will the easy-to-exploit-bug
that was found last week be removed?



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Re: Help installing debian Other packages

1996-11-18 Thread Wayne Richardson
Hi all,

I have found out that I am having a problem downloading the file from the
ftp site (sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/buzz/msdos-i386),
but I don't know how to fix it.  If I click on the file (using Netscape
Navigator), I get the binary garbage written out to my screen.  If I right
click on the file icon, and use the Save Link As.. option, I can save it to
my hard disk.  The problem is that it is not saving this in a binary format.  I
can go to the Netscape options (Options | General Preferences... |
helpers) and add in the deb extention to the application/x-compress
entry but this still doesn't work.  I went through compuserve and
retrieved the same file using their ftp menu and then compared them
(saved the same file with a different name) doing a DOS command fc
win95tmp.deb cmpsvtmp.deb /b and they are way different.  I can copy
them both to diskette and the one that I downloaded from compuserve
will work but the other one won't.

What is wrong here?

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Re: No CD Now what?

1996-11-18 Thread Bruce Perens
I'd better put a BIG note about this in the 1.2 installation document.

Try modprobe cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x320

Note that it's cdu31a_port, not just cdu31a, when the driver is loaded
from a module, as it is in the Debian kernel.

This also works with the module installation tool in the installation menu.

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WinNT OS loader

1996-11-18 Thread Doug Redd
I have Win NT installed on one drive and Linux on another, with the Win NT
drive being the default boot drive.  I am currently using loadlin to boot
linux, but I am wondering if there is a way to get the Win NT OS loader to
load Linux.
Does anyone know?


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