date:19970110

Re: Installation Problems

1997-01-10 Thread Igor Grobman

When it stops, can you push ctrl-c to cancel the install and try it again?
Or does the system just hang completely? If it does, then it might be a
CD-ROM problem, but I don't know.
Also, doing a cold reboot on a linux system is not a good idea.  You will
almost always get a disk error after that.  The better way is to use
shutdown command or push ctrl-alt-del combination.

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Didier Nghia Le Tien wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
>   I'am trying to install Debian 1.2 from the Infomagic Distribution (Dec.
> !996). 
> The system always stop during the package installation (not always on
> the same package). Then when i reboot i got some disks error that i
> repaired using fsck. I find it very surprising because i previously made
> a scan disk on my partition succesfully. I don't know if the problem
> comes from my CD-ROM (I use a Nakamichi MJ-4.4) as it is detect by the
> system during the boot
> 
> hdc : Nakamichi, ATAPI CD-ROM (or something like that)
> 
>   Does anyone has an idea about what happens ?
> 
>   Didier
> 
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Re: mime and elm (was RE: X-wm question and ZipDrive)

1997-01-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava

Hi,
>>"Casper" == Casper BodenCummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Casper> Couldn't you pre-filter your email with procmail and a MIME
Casper> extraction program? Maybe the packages mime-support (which
Casper> `can be used to turn virtually any mail reader program into a
Casper> multimedia mail reader') or mpack?

The latest mailagent ships with example rules for detecting
 and un-miming messages automatically. Works quite well ...

manoj
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Trouble with running X

1997-01-10 Thread Abhay Watwe

Hi there:

I am an newbie linux user.  I installed X on my PC and I am able to start up
the X server as root.  I can even get some xterms going.  However if I try 
to start X as myself then "startx" gives me the following error: (Any help
would be most appreciated)

XFree86 Version 3.2 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6100)
Release Date: Oct 26 1996
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Linux [ELF] 
Configured drivers:
  SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0):
  NV1, STG2000, et4000, et4000w32, et4000w32i, et4000w32p, et4000w32p,
  et6000, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31,
  wd90c33, gvga, ati, sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, tvga8200lx,
  tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000,
  tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9320lcd, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420,
  tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, tgui9660xgi, tgui9680,
  cyber938x, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429,
  clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd6205,
  clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543, clgd7548,
  ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, mga2064w, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c,
  al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412,
  cl6420, cl6440, video7, ct65520, ct65530, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546,
  ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt,
  mx, realtek, AP6422, generic

Fatal server error:
xf86OpenConsole: Server must be run as root

_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
giving up.
xinit:  Connection refused (errno 111):  unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
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Xwindows video modes

1997-01-10 Thread Eric Budd

I have been trying to instal X on my linux box, and everythig in
theinstallation went ok.  whenever I start xinit or startx, however, it
rolls by some startup mgs and then gives me the following:

(--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "640x480"
(--) SVGA: Removing mode "640x480" from list of valid modes.
(--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "320x200"
(--) SVGA: Removing mode "320x200" from list of valid modes.

Then the screen blanks out for a second, comes back up, gives me a fatal
server error, andgoes back to the root prompt.  Whenever I try xdm, it goes
really wacko, with the screen flashing, text jumping around, and all sorts
of interesting and disturbing things.

I have de-installed and re-installed several times, checked my XF86Config
(and several others) and everything seems to be set up right for my card (a
Paradise Accelerator Value card) and my monitor.  The two modes ARE defined
in XF86Config, both in /etc/lib and /usr/X11R6/lib/X11, but it's not picking
them up.  I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why.

Help me before I go bald!

Thanx, 
Budd


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Re: How? Upgrade from Debian-1.1 to 1.2

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Le Tran wrote:

> I want to upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2 beginning with the base package.
> Would anyone show me how to do it? TIA.
> 
Check out the upgrades directory. The script DoList uses base.list-1.2 to
upgrade the base packages. You should be able to extrapolate the
functionality to your own lists (look at devel.list-1.2 for other
examples). DoList depends on the list being in the proper order to satisfy
the dependencies involved, so the order of the list is extremely
important.
With the base packages installed you should have no problems using dselect
to upgrade the rest of the system.
Note: all the base packages are found in section base, under binary-i386.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: How to produce the file Packages

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Terry Eck wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm new to Debian and have just installed the system by downloading
> almost all the the binary tree. Everything appears fine. I did have 
> some problems with dselect (understanding on my part). 
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is the file Packages constructed. In this
> file there are descriptions and a path to where the apps.deb is located.
> Would it be possible to dump several *.deb files into a directory and
> construct the file Packages at the top level and then run dselect on the
> resulting tree. Is there a program which will construct the file Packages
> from a tree containing *.deb files?

The Packages files are built with dpkg-scanpackages. You will need an
override file from the indices directory to get this to work, but it's
really straight forward.
 
Luck,

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Re: How to produce the file Packages

1997-01-10 Thread Guy Maor

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Eck) writes:

> What I'd like to know is how is the file Packages constructed.

dpkg-scanpackages(8)

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Dale Scheetz wrote:
> The first rule of publishing: Don't let the writer proof his/her own work.
> Yet, we as maintainers, are the first to test our packages, and in some
> cases, no other test occurs untill the general user gets to try it out.
> We do have several folks who do "new installs" to test things out, but
> many of the problems users have are due to their particular hardware
> configuration.
> 
> As a result of these factors, we must depend upon our user base to "find"
> the other problems.

Understandable, but maybe fixable.  I remember Bruce asking people on the 
list to test 1.2 before it went out.  If that testing process were a little
more structured, we might have found more of the problems ahead of time.  I
understand that there's a bug tracking system.  Is there a release tracking/
testing system to complement it?  I'll volunteer for this if needed, although 
there are probably people closer to the project who'd be better suited to it.

My approach would be to treat the distribution as a whole in the same way
you treat a large application program.  After a new package is integrated
into the release the entire release passes a series of tests (performed by 
various people on various platforms) before the package is accepted.

The process would probably delay the release of "stable" distributions by a 
couple of weeks, but I think it would be worth it.

Comments?

... Ami.

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Re: Where to get the window-managers from

1997-01-10 Thread Carlo U. Segre

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, joost witteveen wrote:

> > 
> > I have tried to install the fvwm95_2.0.42a-6.deb, but it failed
> > with the error in the configuration phase.
> > The message was:
> > 
> > grep: /etc/X11/window-managers: No such file or directory
> > cp: /etc/X11/window-managers: No such file or directory
> > dpkg: error processing fvwm95 (--configure)
> 
> 
> As far as I'm aware, that means you don't have xbase installed
> (recent version). If that is installed, and you want to get
> rid of that error message, just
>   touch /etc/x11/window-managers
> and reinstalling fvwm95 will do. Or, of cource try fvwm2, or
> any of the other 9 (or more) available window managers.
> (but they all _should_ have the same problem if /etc/x11/window-managers
> doesn't exist)
> 

On a brand new installation, it is often necessary to rerun the INSTALL
part of dselect several times.  For some reason, dselect tires to install
the window managers befor xbase is done.  Usually, the second time things
work out fine.

Cheers,

Carlo

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Re: STOP! STOP! STOP! STOP! again: STOP!

1997-01-10 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel

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Re: PEX? XIE?

1997-01-10 Thread Carlo U. Segre

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:

> In your email to me, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler, you wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> >  what are these PEX and XIE extensions that startx doesn't load?
> >  Which packages are they in?
> 
> It's actually not those extensions that keep X11 from starting.
> In /etc/ld.so.conf, add the line:
> 
> /usr/X11R6/lib
> 
> and then run 'ldconfig'.
> 

More importantly, some packages will not install unless the X11R6 is
placed in the ld database.  In particular xv has problems.

Cheers,

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Re: kernel 2.0.27 - nearly there:)

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote:

> 
> Yop, i picked the wrong network driver doh!  Now my new dual-processor
> kernel mounts the right drives, and finds the network but just hangs on 
> 
> Configuring serial devices 
> 
> The lists esteemed wisdom is sort:)
> 
You probably have serial compiled as a module. To get kerneld started soon
enough to load the module, uncomment the auto line in /etc/modules and all
should work.

Luck,

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Re: Is there a Diald Guru in the House?

1997-01-10 Thread Kevin Traas

> From: Jens B. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Kevin Traas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Is there a Diald Guru in the House?
> Date: Thursday, January 09, 1997 9:24 AM
> 
> > > > Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP
> > >
> > > Are you using proxy-arp? If you don't have an ethernet connection
> > > on your machine you don't need this.
> > 
> > I was trying to; however, whenever it is enabled, I get the above error
> > message in /var/log/messages.  And, yes, I do have an ethernet
connection.
> > This box is acting as a router between my ISP and my LAN.
> > 
> 
> Hmm. I don't know what to say about this. Do you have more than one
> ethernet device in the machine?

No.  Just an Intel eepro.


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Re: FTP install and PPP/SLIP

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Troy M. Lubbers wrote:

> Alright, I've seen this question several times. Once before I was the one 
> asking it. But I have yet to get an answer to it. I THINK that I want to 
> install Debian. Partially because the option of installing off of an FTP 
> server sounds very enticing, but I have a SLIP/PPP connection. Now does the 
> base system disk set come with a way to do this? i.e. dip, pppd, etc, TIA 
> Slirp whatever, or is there another package or set of packages you must 
> download prior to attempting to install?
> 
The base system comes with ppp, so with a little setup work you should be
able to connect to your ISP and use the ftp method of dselect to install
the rest of the packages you want. (dpkg-ftp is also provided on the base
for this purpose)
Make sure that there are no commas between the DNS items in the nameserver
list in /etc/resolv.conf so you can get to ftp.debian.org, or one of the
other mirrors.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: Now What?

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Darren Klein wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just installed Debian 1.2
> 
> Should I now install 1.2-fixed, 1.2-updates or 1.2.1
> 
1.2-updates will have all the changed packages only. This is probably what
you need.

Luck,

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Re: How to finish Install?

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Darren Klein wrote:

> Please Help!
> 
> I installed Debian.  Now, I am up to dselect.  Should I use FTP or NFS?  
> What is the address of either?
> 
After you have made certain that the DNS list in /etc/resolv.conf has no
commas in it, you will find the ftp method of dselect will work fine for
you. Try ftp.debian.org. If that site is too crowded you will be given a
list of known good Debian mirrors that you can try as an alternative.

Luck,

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Re: Thinking of switching to Debian

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dave Williams wrote:

> If I install the base system (just the four floppies), will I be able to
> dial in to my ISP and, using TIA or SLiRP, use the dselect ftp method to
> get the packages I need? If not, what further must I download?
> 
Well, you get ppp in the base system and dpkg-ftp as well. If you followed
the directions properly when setting up your DNS, and put commas in the
list of name servers, you will need to remove the commas before the name
lookup will work properly. Given that this is fixed, you will have no
problems with dselect's ftp method.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Better Categorization (was: improvements)

1997-01-10 Thread Brian C. White

> Mainly breaking it up a little more into categories would have let
> me build the system I want better.  Like, I could go into a Utilities menu
> and choose editors and then choose vi and pico, but not emacs.  Then go back
> and under networking go to mail and get pine, then back up and go to news
> and get tin, but not INN since I just want to read from another server, not
> host news.

I mention this briefly before Christmas, but thought I flesh it out a bit
and repeat it...

I think it would be a good idea to add a "Keywords:" line to the control
information for Debian packages.  This would be an extension to the
"Section:" field with the section being considered the primary keyword.

A user-interface utility would then allow the user to narrow/expand
the list of package presented.  For example:

Sections:

[ ] admin   [ ] base[ ] comm[ ] contrib
[ ] devel   [ ] doc [ ] editors [ ] experimental
[ ] games   [ ] graphic [ ] smail   [ ] math
[ ] misc[ ] net [ ] news[ ] nonfree
[ ] shells  [ ] sound   [ ] text[ ] x11

Keywords:   (*) And ( ) Or

[ ] small   [ ] graphics[ ] English [ ] French
[ ] sound   [ ] internet

(note: I am not suggesting those keywords -- they are examples only)

Maintainers would be able to select their own keywords, but there should
also be a fixed set which should always be given if applicable.

Of course, this is still an "expert" selection system.  The should also
be some sort of pre-formed package sets that beginners can install.
 
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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Rick Macdonald

Dale Scheetz wrote:

> The real question is: "What key does dselect use for repeat searches?"
> rather than "What key should it be?".
> 
> I'm not an expert on dselect. I use dpkg almost exclusively to do my
> incremental upgrades. I don't know if there is such a key, or not, but
> it's clear it isn't documented very well if there is one. If there isn't
> the bug is in the software instead of the docs (or including the docs).
> Do we have an expert out there who can answer this question?

By now everyone has seen my post saying that it's "\". I'm surprised
that people don't think to press "?" for help as shown at the top right
corner of dselect, then press "k" for keystrokes. Perhaps the only way
to 
make everyone happy is to have dselect read in a ".dselectrc" file with
key
assignments, like bash does. Of course, this capability would also have
to dynamically update the kestroke help file...

Anyway, here is the keystroke help for the "?k" challenged:

Help:
Keystrokes  
 
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Re: Netscape 3.01

1997-01-10 Thread Brian C. White

> Anyone have any comments on the stability of Netscape 3.01?  In
> particular, I'm curious if it runs o.k. with the lastest libc, or do I
> need to continue loading Netscape with the older malloc etc.

If you install it with the Debian package (in contrib), then it works
just fine.
 
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Re: Gravis Ultrasound PnP sound card, How to make work with debian ?

1997-01-10 Thread Michael Stutz

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Stan Brown wrote:

>   I asked around a little, and decided to buy a Gravis Ultrasound card
>   for my debian machine. It turns out to be a PnP device.

I don't think there's a Debian package for this yet, but there is a Linux
Gravis Ultrasound Project with their own loadable driver as a replacement
for the standard USS sound support. Check
ftp://ftp.pf.jcu.cz/pub/perex/ultra/. It is still in development but already
is an excellent driver. Included with the distribution is isapnptools, which
will allow you to configure your Plug'n'Pray device.

m

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PCMCIA problem on Toshiba Satellite Pro 410CDT Solved but what about X?

1997-01-10 Thread Terrence M. Brannon

Nico De Ranter writes:
 > Howdy,
 > 
 > I managed to install Debian on my Toshiba (thanks to all who helped).  
 > However
 > I'm still having problems with X.  I managed to create a decent XF86Config 
 > file
 > however when I return to text-mode after running startx, my screen starts

Consult the Linux Laptop page for the toshiba 100CS. It worked  for my
2150CDS.
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/

I can mail you my XF86 config when I log off--- didnt start windows so
cant get to it now! Email me if you need it.




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How? Upgrade from Debian-1.1 to 1.2

1997-01-10 Thread Le Tran

I want to upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2 beginning with the base package.
Would anyone show me how to do it? TIA.

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New login logs everybody

1997-01-10 Thread Mathieu GUILLAUME


Hi. It seems the latest login package now puts every login process in
/var/log/auth.log, instead of the former root logins, su and login
failures. Is there any way to revert to the former behavior without
having to revert to the former package ? If so , which one ?

Mat


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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

> Dale writes:
> > I'm not an expert on dselect. I use dpkg almost exclusively to do my
> > incremental upgrades. I don't know if there is such a key, or not, but
> > it's clear it isn't documented very well if there is one. If there isn't
> > the bug is in the software instead of the docs (or including the docs).
> 
> Yell at me for saying this if you will, but what docs? I'm sure they
> exist, but I've never read them. Installation, through dselect,
> should be simple enough that you do not need documentation
> to do it. I think the installation documentation that exists
> is fair enough and required (I admit I read it, disregarded the advice
> regarding switching off APM, and promptly had to start over :-),
> but dselect, imho, needs to be intuitive enough for documentation
> to be unrequired. I never opened the Windows95 manual, nor
> any documentation on Slackware's pkgtool, if indeed there is any ...
> 
You are certainly correct about the sparce nature of the current
documentation. As I am not well versed in the product, and have a full
plate, I'm not the one to do this. The problem is, there isn't anyone in a
position to do something about it.
Anyone who is interested in contributing to the project, but doesn't think
they are enough of a programmer to do anything useful, can provide great
help for new users by studying dselect and producing a users document from
what they learn.

Luck,

Dwarf

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How to produce the file Packages

1997-01-10 Thread Terry Eck

Hi

I'm new to Debian and have just installed the system by downloading
almost all the the binary tree. Everything appears fine. I did have 
some problems with dselect (understanding on my part). 

What I'd like to know is how is the file Packages constructed. In this
file there are descriptions and a path to where the apps.deb is located.
Would it be possible to dump several *.deb files into a directory and
construct the file Packages at the top level and then run dselect on the
resulting tree. Is there a program which will construct the file Packages
from a tree containing *.deb files?

Can anyone point me to more information to read on how dselect works.

BTW, I'm a former Slackware user currently running RedHat and looking
at Debian.

Thanks,
Terry
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mime and elm (was RE: X-wm question and ZipDrive)

1997-01-10 Thread Casper BodenCummins

Hamish Moffat wrote:

>> thanx to U all, who helped me. Debian rules...:-)))
>> I deactivated html mail, I hope that now no html mail will be sent to
>> the mailing list, BTW how can I find out about this?
>
>Good. Any chance you could not send all messages as MIME, either?
>Real PITA to read with plain jane elm on a character terminal.

Couldn't you pre-filter your email with procmail and a MIME extraction
program? Maybe the packages mime-support (which `can be used to turn
virtually any mail reader program into a multimedia mail reader') or
mpack?

After all, MIME is so well established and you're imposing the lowest
common denominator on us.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

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Re: Problems with 1.2.1

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Richard Jones wrote:

> Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
> > On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Richard Jones wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Unfortunately I don't have time to do another fresh install, so 
> > > unfortunately 
> > > due to the non-standard install method (which sounds like it was 
> > > definately 
> > > part of the problem), all the data I collected on the install process is 
> > > pretty useless as far as putting in reliable bug reports goes :(...but 
> > > maybe 
> > > someone else doing a fresh install the right way could use some of the 
> > > notes 
> > > as a cross-reference for any probs they have.
> > > 
> > You should not need to start over at this point. From what I know about
> > the distribution, most of the problems you have had, have to do with
> > dependency infelicities in various packages. As far as I know, all of
> > these can be dealt with on a package by package basis. You will find good
> > support here for helping you through these rough spots. Learning to deal
> > with the class of problems you are encountering will boost your
> > confidence in the system and increase your ability to have some fun with
> > this product.
> > 
> 
> Sorry, you misunderstood me, I managed to wade through the dependency problems
> fairly quickly (most of them were the same as for 1.2).  What I meant by no 
> time for a fresh install was that due to my broken upgrade method it was 
> difficult to tell which problem were my fault and which were the packages 
> fault, thus making accurate bug reports difficult.  This could have only been 
> clarified by a fresh install which I had neither the time or space for (my 
> box 
> is permanently net connected and thus I try to avoid downtime as much as 
> possible).

I pretty much understood, and we certainly could use the feedback. I just
wanted to make sure you weren't going to throw away the work you had
already done, in the hope that it would go better next time.

> 
> Another point made in the original post was that calling 1.2 (and 1.2.1) 
> stable seems to be one giant misnomer.  They are installable if you have used 
> linux before and/or have access to the mailing list, but others not in these 
> groups would struggle (IMO). I haven't used the developement release but I 
> have a feeling it could be just as stable if not more so than the "stable" 
> releases, as many of the "unstable" packages released seem to be upstream 
> bug-fixes that dont go directly into stable for some reason, also many of 
> these dependency problems appear to be caused by packages being built on the 
> developement system
> (hence depending on stuff like libraries that are not yet available on 
> "stable"), thus not always being fully compatable with the stable tree.
> 
I have been unhappy with these labels, because of the unreasonable
expectation it gives a novice. They were chosen because it was percieved
to be the best way to tell the novice which area of the archive was "safe"
to use.
As soon as someone has any problems with package installation, they begin
to become confused about how "stable" the system really is.
If you think about your personal experience, you will see that you really
do have a "stable system". Almost all problems at this point deal with
application packages. (Yes there are a couple of nits in system areas)
You will note that 1.2 is almost twice as large as 1.1 was. This is the
result of many new maintainers, packaging many new packages. This
combination results in confusion, uncertainty and mistakes.
The first rule of publishing: Don't let the writer proof his/her own work.
Yet, we as maintainers, are the first to test our packages, and in some
cases, no other test occurs untill the general user gets to try it out.
We do have several folks who do "new installs" to test things out, but
many of the problems users have are due to their particular hardware
configuration.

As a result of these factors, we must depend upon our user base to "find"
the other problems.

Understand: You may not be getting a product that installs as easily as M$
products, but you get two very important features not provided by
proprietary software...Great support, and the chance of seeing the product
fixed within your lifetime. More than that, you get a product that YOU can
fix, even if no one else will.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: improvements

1997-01-10 Thread Fabien Ninoles

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote:
> 
> > Indeed, it might be worth considering doing away with the
> > classification of "required", "recommended", "extra", "important",
> > etc., because every person's needs and desires are different.
> > Obviously, if the system won't run without it, it is "required" de
> > facto.
> > 
> > This might reduce the dselect confusion.
> 
> This can be done without changing package dependency data.  We
> really just need to have a different interface for installing.
> The current installer only takes you as far as getting base
> installed and then throws us into dselect.  There needs to be an
> intermediate step that allows for "simplified" installation of a
> choice of several install profiles.  This is non-trivial however.
> All packages of a given section cannot be installed and someone
> needs to decide on which packages go in the canned profile and
> which don't.  This needs to be a dynamic list that requires
> active management much like the existing release and it would not
> replace any part of the existing release process, so it means
> more work.  This really should be done by "oem" types, but that
> isn't how debian is getting distributed (yet?).
> 
Give me some time ( I'm working currently of totally new release of 3-5
new packages ) and I will send you (and to debian) a concretisation of my 
idea of virtual packages who can greatly ease the installation process.

Mostly, you can do it by yourself (I send previous posting about it some 
months ago about local-deps - just the same thing but with little more 
configuration.).

Ciao!
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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Fabien Ninoles

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Gertjan Klein wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Philippe Troin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > Not a bug. What you describe is pre-dependencies. It's a bit too long
>  > to explain here, but you can find all the details in the Debian
>  > policy manual.
>  > Dpkg does the work right... so far.
> 
>   Interesting. I looked in /usr/doc/debian, and found no policy manual.
> I finally found a policy.html _directory_ in /usr/doc/dpkg; I read all
> the files in it and couldn't find "all the details" there... But perhaps
> there already is a misunderstanding, as you're talking about dpkg, and I
> was talking about dselect. (Or maybe I don't understand the interaction
> between the two). Dselect knows the dependancies between the packages it
> has to install, and should should present them to dpkg in the right
> order.

Depends doesn't mean that the package most be install first - that's what 
pre-depends are for - it only means that's this package must be install 
with the other one. Also, the package are supposed to be install easily 
without pre-dependencies. According to the policy manual, Pre-depends 
must *not* be use unless is it vital for the installation of the package.
If you encounter this kind of bugs, registered it to Debian and the 
maintainer will had the Pre-Depends to its control file or, better way, 
correct it's installation process to not Pre-Depends on any package other 
then the base or Essential. The reason why this should be avoid is 
because of the risk to see a vicious circle of pre-dependencies.

Dselect are still just a wrapper around dpkg and the methods script (as
described in the programmer manual). Must of the scripts (if not all) who
install the package use dpkg --recursive to install the package. It's the
simpler way of doing this. If you want, you can try to do it more efficiently
by parsing only already selected packages (removing all the "skipping
deselected package" - do 'dpkg --help | more' to find how you can get a list
of selected package) and/or adding installation of dependencies before 
the depending package (watch out for package who depends on each other!). 
If you're script work well, you can make a package with or submit it to 
Ian for inclusion to the standard dselect distribution.

Don't give up and sorry for the long mail but I think this can be of
interest for the users (just looking for the size of this thread!).

Ciao!
Fab.

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Re: FAQ: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages

1997-01-10 Thread Sven Rudolph

Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
Sven Rudolph, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$Id: packages.sgml,v 1.33 1997/01/10 12:33:18 sr1 Exp sr1 $

1.  General Questions

1.1.Before reading this document

You should have read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ (
http://www.debian.org/FAQ/ ).

1.2.Purpose of this document

This document is intended to identify areas that need your
contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

1.3.Getting newer versions of this document

Newer versions of this document will be available via FTP and HTTP:
o  
o  

1.4.Feedback

Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Sven
Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please mention to which version of
this document your comments refer.

2.  Packages needing a new maintainer

Please inform me via e-mail:
o  when you find that you need to discontinue maintaining a package
o  when you believe that the following list is incomplete
o  when you would like to maintain one of the packages listed here.

orphaned :
o  libc4 (a.out compatibility)

David Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  libc5, libc6 (potentially a lot of work)

Andrew D. Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  acs

Christian Linhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  statserial
o  tgif
o  xarchie

Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  adjtimex
o  fdutils
o  hkgerman
o  html2latex
o  icmake
o  lshell
o  ntfs
o  umsdos
o  watchdog
o  xftp

Dale Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  lclint

Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  acm
o  aout-librl (this package might be unnecessary now)
o  pmake

Jim Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  netpbm
o  xless
o  xpaste

Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  seyon
o  lpr

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  sokoban

Andrew Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  xtron

Dominik Kubla [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  kbd
o  vlock

Doug Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  abuse
o  apsfilter

Yves Arrouye :
o  compress-package
o  libpaper
o  mush
o  ppd-adobe-common, ppd-adobe-extra, ppd-adobe-misc, ppd-gs
o  psptools
o  xaw95

Michael Nonweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  e2fsprogs
o  ipx
o  ncpfs

Joe Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  lxtools

Erick Branderhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  glibcdoc
o  hyperlatex
o  id-utils
o  elisp-manual
o  emacs-lisp-intro
o  mathpad
o  dlh
o  wenglish
o  wdutch
o  idutch

Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  adbbs (needs a better setup of pre-customized files)
o  defrag (needs a major Revision of the sourcecode and made available
   for other architectures than i386)
o  linux86 (contains lots of 8086 stuff that need work)
o  ibcs
o  speak_freely
o  ncsa (new Webstandards need to be implemented)
o  man2html
o  gpc
o  upsd
o  idled
o  autolog
o  snarf
o  syslinux

3.  Packages that someone is working on

Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
packages, but someone is working on providing a package.

If you would like to work on one of these packages please contact the
responsible person listed below.

Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  dome (http://www.netaxs.com/ cjf/jpegs.html)
o  and probably : xli

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl R. Sackett) :
o  swarm - Objective-C based artificial life research tool
o  GNU Smalltalk
o  utf-mailx: scripts to add UTF support to mailx.
o  SATAN - net security scanner
o  courtney - detects SATAN scans
o  gabriel - detects SATAN scans
o  drone - automatically runs batch jobs of simulation programs.
o  xephem - interactive astronomical ephemeris program for X
o  empire - Wolfpack Empire war simulation
o  togl - a Tk widget for OpenGL rendering
o  MIT Scheme - scheme interpreter
o  nanocad - a freeware CAD system for nanotechnology
o  WISE - WWW-based project management and metrics system

Behan Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
o  sxpc (Simple Xwindows Protocol Compresser)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
o  tkHTML

Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  giftool
o  canna
o  lx-gdb

Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  glimpsehttpd

Warwick Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  mercury (a purely declarative logic programming language with
   strong modes, strong types, and strong determinism)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  CLISP

David H. Silber [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  dbackup - A Debian-specific backup program.
o  lockstep - A program to keep various directory trees in sync.
o  uucpconfig - A configuration program which will become part of my
   uucp package.
o  latex2html

Brian Sulcer [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  vile (vi-like editor)
o  rogue
o  umoria

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  vtwm: Virtual Window Manager for X11

Michael Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  amanda, the University of Maryland's free network backup system.
o  nntplink

Christophe Le Bars [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  MMM: a WWW browser implemented in Caml
o  doc-debian-fr

Jon Rabone [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  SISCAD

Christian Lynbech [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
o  ilisp (emacs interface

Re: Cern Web Server Stats

1997-01-10 Thread Tim Sailer

In your email to me, John Roesch, you wrote:
> 
> 
> I am using debian with the Cern Web Server.  I have set it up to use   
> standard log format but don't know what to use to report on the   
> statistics.
> 
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to what to use?

Use 'analog', a debianized package. Take a look at
http://www.buoy.com/stats.html to see actual output.

Tim

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Pawel T. Jochym

Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
> 
> > > "Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Hamish>   Pressing / and entering the same search just takes you
> > Hamish> back to the first result again. This is counter-intuitive
> > Hamish> for users of vi, less etc. Lynx uses "n" to repeat a
> > Hamish> search but dselect doesn't use that either.
> >
> >  I thought the same thing.  It should work like 'less' does.  And have
> > {C-s} and {C-M-s} incremental searching like Emacsen do as well,
> > perhaps.
> >
> This begins to look like a religeous discussion ;-)
> 
> The real question is: "What key does dselect use for repeat searches?"
> rather than "What key should it be?".
> 
> I'm not an expert on dselect. I use dpkg almost exclusively to do my
> incremental upgrades. I don't know if there is such a key, or not, but
> it's clear it isn't documented very well if there is one. If there isn't
> the bug is in the software instead of the docs (or including the docs).
> Do we have an expert out there who can answer this question?
> 

It is just pure / WITHOUT any pattern. It is exactly the same in "more".

Pawel.


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Re: kernel 2.0.27 - nearly there:)

1997-01-10 Thread llucius

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote:

> 
> Configuring serial devices 
> 
I had/have the same problem.  The way I got around it was to comment out 
the "automatic" configuration stuff in /etc/rc.boot/0setserial and 
uncommented the appropriate "manual" configuration stuff.

This took care of it for me.

Leland

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Re: HTML in messages to the list

1997-01-10 Thread Joseph L. Hartmann, Jr.

Nick,
You are too kind.  Just don't waste your time reading them.

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On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Nick Busigin wrote:

> //grouch mode (sort of) on
> 
> Lately, I've noticed a (small) number of messages on this list that are
> using html formatting (see below).  This format looks pretty ugly with
> mail readers that don't display html documents.  Helpful hint:  don't use
> html formatting in your email messages. 
> 
> //grouch mode (sort of) off
> 
>  Thanks!
>Nick
> 
> Appended example of offending html email post follows my .signature
> 
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> 
> >
> >
> > Hi to all,
> >
> > 
> >
> >I want to buy a SCSI external zipdrive. I have an aha2940 SCSI
> >controller. Is there any support for a zipdrive under debian?? How do 
> >I have to compile the kernel for zipdrive support. What do I need (in 
> >the kernel), if I want to use a parallel port zipdrive?? A stupid 
> > question: How will I format the zipmedia under Linux?? Thanx for any 
> >suggestions!! 
> >
> > 
> >
> >Greetings
> >
> > 
> 
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Re: Custom Boot Disk and Network Problems

1997-01-10 Thread David Wright

To use the custom boot disk, just stick it in the drive and reboot. But 
I don't think it'll make your probing problems go away.
The installation kernels seem to probe for just about every cdrom drive 
known on heaven and earth, and ditto for network cards. But that's how 
it should be, because it has to cater for the maximum number of cases.

Count yourself fortunate - my DEPCA card is completely dead after all that
probing, and has to be powered off before it'll work again with DOS. Luckily
I decided to keep all the .deb files when I installed another machine, 
so I'm using a zip drive to install from.

If you have the room, it's certainly a good idea to keep the .deb files 
to start with. Moving them out of /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp... will stop
all the interminable checking, but it means you can reinstall things 
from a mounted disk if you screw up in dselect.

dselect takes some getting used to, but I've found that a bit of 
repetition often works. I tend to let it choose the default system, 
screw up, then I repeat it once, which solves most things, then I select
one thing at a time where it can't sort itself out.

You'll especially thank yourself for keeping the .deb files if you 
manage to break dpkg-ftp as I did once!

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Re: Custom Boot Disk and Network Problems

1997-01-10 Thread Igor Grobman

You will need to get the kernel source and compile a custom kernel.
Editing /etc/modules manually or using modconf (a nice menu interface)
will also help.  Just unload all the unneeded modules.

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Re: Minor help with X

1997-01-10 Thread tomk

Jens B. Jorgensen writes:
> 
> Gith wrote:
[snip]
> > (**) SVGA: chipset:  clgd5434
> > (**) SVGA: videoram: 1024k
> > (--) SVGA: clocks:  25.23  28.32  41.16  36.08  31.50  39.99  45.08  49.87
> > (--) SVGA: clocks:  64.98  72.16  75.00  80.01
> > (**) SVGA: Option "mmio"
> > (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 81.349 MHz
> > (**) SVGA: Mode "640x480": mode clock =  25.175, clock used =  25.226
> > (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "800x600"
> > (--) SVGA: Removing mode "800x600" from list of valid modes.
> > (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1024x768"
> > (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1024x768" from list of valid modes.
> > (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 640x480
> > (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024
> > (--) SVGA: clgd5434: Internal memory clock register is 0x19 (Standard RAS)
> > (**) SVGA: clgd5434: Approximate DRAM bandwidth for drawing: 64 of 89 MB/s
> > (--) SVGA: clgd5434: 741376 bytes off-screen memory available
> > (--) SVGA: clgd5434: Using hardware cursor
> > (--) SVGA: clgd5434: Using accelerator functions
> > (--) SVGA: clgd5434: Using BitBLT engine
> > (**) SVGA: clgd5434: Using memory-mapped I/O
> > 
> 
> [   XF86Config file deleted ]
> 
> Check to make sure that you have the right file. When I ran the
> auto-XF86 config program I ended up with /etc/X11/XF86Config and
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config as separate files and I think that
> /etc/X11/XF86Config needed to be linked to the later. It confused
> the hello out of me while I was trying to get it working.

Actually, it is the reverse. /etc/X11/XF86Config should be the original file
with /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config as a link to it. Stuff stored in the /etc
directory was meant to be altered and files under /usr weren't. It seems that
the configuration program looks and writes to /etc/X11, but the servers look
at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11. Confusing, huh?!

Looking at the response list from Gith, I see that the server determined that
the 800x600 & 1024x768 display modes are invalid. Gith, make sure the card has
sufficient memory to support the modes. Also make sure the monitor
specifications are sufficient to support the modes. While the card might
produce the required video display, if you told the config program a lesser
monitor, the modes will be rejected anyhow. (trying to protect your monitor!)

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Re: sound & cdrom

1997-01-10 Thread tomk

System Account writes:
> I've read all this stuff about PnP cards not being supported in the
> kernel.  I recompiled my kernel before I realized that I had a SB16 PnP
> (atleast according to the model numbers at Creative Labs it's PnP).
> However, it worked, and I get sound.

It should! True Blue SoundBlasters are not PNP. They achieve PNP compatability 
via software patches to windoze. Read the SB manual.

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Re: FTP install and PPP/SLIP

1997-01-10 Thread Igor Grobman

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Troy M. Lubbers wrote:

> Alright, I've seen this question several times. Once before I was the one 
> asking it. But I have yet to get an answer to it. I THINK that I want to 
> install Debian. Partially because the option of installing off of an FTP 
> server sounds very enticing, but I have a SLIP/PPP connection. Now does the 
> base system disk set come with a way to do this? i.e. dip, pppd, etc, TIA 
> Slirp whatever, or is there another package or set of packages you must 
> download prior to attempting to install?

Yes, the base comes with pppd, which you can use to connect to your ISP,
and then download the rest of your packages through dselect.  You might
also want download netstd package which contains all the standard net
utilities (FTP, dip, etc.) 

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Re: newbie problems. . .

1997-01-10 Thread Brian Sheaff

At 12:42 PM 8/01/97 -0600, you wrote:
>I have been trying to get man working.  Iused deselect to install man and
>all the files it required, but whenever I try to run it, it gives me an
>error saying:  "groff: can't load library 'libstdc++.so.27'"  Some of the
>other programs I've installed have similar error messages asking for
>different files.

I had the same problem but with libg++.so.27 !
I did this
cd \usr\lib
ls

you should see a file libg++.so.27.2.1
you need to link or copy this file to/as libg++.so.27

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Netscape 3.01

1997-01-10 Thread Paul Serice


Anyone have any comments on the stability of Netscape 3.01?  In
particular, I'm curious if it runs o.k. with the lastest libc, or do I
need to continue loading Netscape with the older malloc etc.

Paul Serice


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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > I don't use emacs, but to me dselect seems to be already too
> > emacs-oriented. For example, searching for a package is done with /,
> > but how do you repeat the search? I haven't studied the help
> > in much detail, but for me the answer is "I don't know" presently.
> 
> It's "\". 

Ahh, of course.  

> "/" isn't a special key in emacs. Lotus 1-2-3 maybe.

And vi, and less, and even lynx. The former two both use a single
/ (with no arguments) to repeat the previous search. Suggestion,
then: dselect should implement more vi-isms if any, in search
of increased intuition.

> > (vi fan)
> Oh, well. In that case, click here:   o
> ;-)

Very droll. :-)

Hamish
(using elm on a character terminal, over modem from Telix on DOS,
as it happens. AND a 1-2-3 fan :-)

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RE: PnP modem under Debian

1997-01-10 Thread Casper BodenCummins

Jason Goldschmidt wrote:

>Hi, does anyone have any experience getting a US Robotics Sportster
>28.8-33.6 PnP modem to work with linux? Or any PnP modem for that matter.
>I've done all the common setup stuff for the modem. I found that if I want
>to use the modem under NT, I have to disable PnP in my bios. But if I do
>this for linux it changes nothing.
>-Jay

I recently installed one of these and had a problem with an IRQ
conflict. Maybe this is not the cause your problem, but it might be of
use. I apologize that some of the details may not be correct, 'cos this
is from memory.

I'm using a kernel compiled from the 2.0.27 sources, with PCMCIA modules
compiled from the 2.0.27 (must be same version).

The problem was that the default IRQ mask used by the low level PC card
driver module (called i832656, or something similar) allowed it to probe
the IRQ assigned to my PS/2 device. According to the man pages, this
driver can't detect conflicts using the controllers in my machine (a
Vadem), and it nabbed the IRQ.

I read lots of man pages, and found that you can pass an IRQ bitmask as
an argument to the card driver. I tried doing this in /etc/modules.conf,
but it didn't seem to work. Eventually I found that adding
`irq_mask=0x400' after CORE_OPTS in /etc/pcmcia.conf did the trick.

I must confess to not having read the PCMCIA HOWTO. I still have a
problem where the PC card device file /dev/ttyS2 appears busy all the
time, but /dev/cua2 doesn't. I think I'll go read it.

HTH a little,
Casper Boden-Cummins.

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Xnest ???

1997-01-10 Thread Richard G. Roberto

I get the following:

richr:6:$ Xnest :1
PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file
Roman_Mfailed to set default font path
'/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/'
Fatal server error:
could not open default font 'fixed'

Any ideas?  I haven't followed the 3.2 posts too closely and the
archives only show me a couple of messages between oct and nov,
all with no title.  I think something is wrong there.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: X-wm question and ZipDrive

1997-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> thanx to U all, who helped me. Debian rules...:-)))
> I deactivated html mail, I hope that now no html mail will be sent to
> the mailing list, BTW how can I find out about this?

Good. Any chance you could not send all messages as MIME, either?
Real PITA to read with plain jane elm on a character terminal.



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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> > > "Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Hamish> We should certainly not force a particular editor down
> > Hamish> anyone's throat, especially emacs :-)
> > 
> > I think it is pretty safe to assume that many Linux people use BASH.
> > >From the bash manpage
> > 
> >given.   By default, the line editing commands are similar
> >to those of emacs.  A vi-style line editing  interface  is
> >also available.

> > I don't remember seeing complains saying bash should certainly not
> > force emacs-bindings down someone's throat.

Two points. As far as I've noticed, bash (or specifically, readline)
does not use emacs keys all that much. Yes, I certainly prefer
arrow keys to vi's hjkl, but other dselect keys (especially
the search interface) are very  non-intuitive to me. Hence,
while bash is using emacs bindings, it isn't to a very large-scale
degree, or at least it doesn't adversely affect me.

Secondly, I use tcsh for my interactive non-root accounts anyway.
I've used tcsh with vi bindings and it's a PITA.

hamish

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Re: Help: problem with booting from HD

1997-01-10 Thread Gertjan Klein

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 > "LILO Loading Linux
 > Uncompressing Linux..."
 > "crc error
 >   System halted"

  Apparently, LILO was installed correctly, and accessed the /vmlinuz
file without (disk i/o) errors. It seems, though, that the correct data
wasn't loaded, which could mean a disk geometry problem (in fact, that's
the only thing I can think of). I asked you this before: do you have LBA
mode or Large mode turned on in the BIOS settings for your harddisk?
How many cylinders does it say your HD has? If this number is bigger
than 1024, you're in trouble. If either Large or LBA mode is on, try the
other one (and prepare to reinstall!). (The BC manual explains all this
in the section on Cylinder-Head-Sector translation). If you have to
reinstall, hold off on W95 and try Linux first; W95 will overwrite your
MBR, but BC is easy to reinstall.

  Your lilo.conf looks OK to me - and from the above messages, LILO
itself appears to be working fine (it's the kernel uncompression code
that complains).

  Gertjan.

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Gertjan Klein

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Philippe Troin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:42:27 +0100 Gertjan Klein ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 > wrote:

 >> One of my most serious criticisms is the fact that in spite of the
 >> dependencies being known, packages aren't installed in the right order.
 >> If package 1 depends on package 2, then package 2 *must* be installed
 >> *first*. This isn't done; I consider this a bug, that should be
 >> reported.

 > Not a bug. What you describe is pre-dependencies. It's a bit too long
 > to explain here, but you can find all the details in the Debian
 > policy manual.
 > Dpkg does the work right... so far.

  Interesting. I looked in /usr/doc/debian, and found no policy manual.
I finally found a policy.html _directory_ in /usr/doc/dpkg; I read all
the files in it and couldn't find "all the details" there... But perhaps
there already is a misunderstanding, as you're talking about dpkg, and I
was talking about dselect. (Or maybe I don't understand the interaction
between the two). Dselect knows the dependancies between the packages it
has to install, and should should present them to dpkg in the right
order.

  I don't want to start word games here, but in my opinion a bug is an
unintended or undesired feature. I can hardly imagine the debian
developers finding it desirable to present an unexpecting installer with
lots of error messages about dependancies, but if they do, I urge them
to reconsider this point of view.

  Gertjan.

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Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?

1997-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> > 28.8 modem28.8 Kbps
> > ISDN  128 Kbps (64 Kbps/B-channel)
> > T11.44 Mbps (now we're talkin'!)
> > T2??? is there any such thing?
> > T338.4 Mbps (oh baby!)
> > SMDS  hmm, I think you can get up to 100Mbps
> > frame-relay   64 Kbps to 1.44 Mbps
> > DS1   56 Kbps
> 
> Don't forget ADSL:  T1 in one direction, ISDN the other, runs over
> existing copper lines.

Also E1, E2, E3, the European standards (also used in Australia
and I suspect most places outside the USA). E1 runs at 2.048Mbps,
unsure about E3, 155Mbps rings a bell. Again I don't think E2 exists.



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Re: Problems with 1.2.1

1997-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Having two versions of a package in an archive will give dselect fits, and
> > it will usually not do "the right thing".
> 
> It won't give it fits, but it won't automatically use the later
> version.  It'll use the one that happens to come first in the
> directory.

Or if you have multiple versions in different directories,
it'll use both. I cannot understand this behaviour; everything
should be sorted out in the selection screen; how is it possible
to select multiple versions of a package? Or does dpkg receive
installation instructions by package name only, with no version
number?

hamish

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Re: nfsiods?

1997-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 11:47:16 EST Pete Templin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> 
> > What script starts the four nfsiod's that are on my stock, Debian
> 
> These are kernel threads. They're automatically started by the kernel when 
> needed. If you don't want them, then don't use your machine as a NFS server:
>   - remove all entries from /etc/exports (I'm not sure this will avoid the 
> nfsiod start)

Perhaps ...

> or
>   - remove the nfs module from the kernel (look at the /etc/modules and 
> /etc/conf.modules files).

the NFS module is for mounting remote NFS file systems, not part of
the NFS server mechanism ..


Please use < 80 character line lengths if possible. 
I'm using elm to read this.

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt

Dale writes:
> I'm not an expert on dselect. I use dpkg almost exclusively to do my
> incremental upgrades. I don't know if there is such a key, or not, but
> it's clear it isn't documented very well if there is one. If there isn't
> the bug is in the software instead of the docs (or including the docs).

Yell at me for saying this if you will, but what docs? I'm sure they
exist, but I've never read them. Installation, through dselect,
should be simple enough that you do not need documentation
to do it. I think the installation documentation that exists
is fair enough and required (I admit I read it, disregarded the advice
regarding switching off APM, and promptly had to start over :-),
but dselect, imho, needs to be intuitive enough for documentation
to be unrequired. I never opened the Windows95 manual, nor
any documentation on Slackware's pkgtool, if indeed there is any ...

hamish

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PCMCIA problem on Toshiba Satellite Pro 410CDT Solved but what about X?

1997-01-10 Thread Nico De Ranter

Howdy,

I managed to install Debian on my Toshiba (thanks to all who helped).  However
I'm still having problems with X.  I managed to create a decent XF86Config file
however when I return to text-mode after running startx, my screen starts
making a very high pitched noise (hope this is correct English :-).  I guess
I'm somehow trying to run my screen on a wrong frequency, but I have no idea
where to start looking (the size in X seems wright, the frequency in xvidtune
is a bit off (60.3Hz in stead of 60Hz but that shouldn't bother).  The strange
thing is that I only get the noise when I'm back in textmode afterwards, not
when I'm running X?

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Nico.

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Re: Maintaining multiple Debian boxes

1997-01-10 Thread Loic Prylli

Ami Ganguli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> Has anybody used GNU cfengine?  I don't really know what it's capable of, but 
> it's
> a free part of Debian.  I was considering using it myself, but I haven't had 
> time
> to investigate it properly.
> 
> ... Ami.

I use it on a small network with just 6 machines, but I find that it
is a big time saver (as soon as you have 3 machines I think).

It takes some time to configure it to your need, but after that it is
really great.

Loic

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Installation Problems

1997-01-10 Thread Didier Nghia Le Tien

Hi all,

I'am trying to install Debian 1.2 from the Infomagic Distribution (Dec.
!996). 
The system always stop during the package installation (not always on
the same package). Then when i reboot i got some disks error that i
repaired using fsck. I find it very surprising because i previously made
a scan disk on my partition succesfully. I don't know if the problem
comes from my CD-ROM (I use a Nakamichi MJ-4.4) as it is detect by the
system during the boot

hdc : Nakamichi, ATAPI CD-ROM (or something like that)

Does anyone has an idea about what happens ?

Didier


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a2ps and HP deskjet 600

1997-01-10 Thread Hubert Palme

First of all: A happy new year to everybody!

I installed magicfilter and a2ps. When printing two pages on A4 paper,
the left margin (in landscape mode, bottom when printing in portrait
mode) of the print area is a little bit too large -- so the left line
of the left frame insn't printed. Does someone solve this problem?

I consider giving a2ps a prologue file (-I) reducing the gap between
the two pages. Is there any other idea?

Thanks in advance!

==
Hubert Palme Bergische Universitaet-Gesamthochschule Wuppertal
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Window managers and disks

1997-01-10 Thread Michael Appleby


Dear All,

I have just installed Debian Linux, on my machine, and now I would like to 
install a window manager of some sort and a C++ compiler.

Could you please tell me what I need for the window manager, I am using a 
Matrox Millennium graphics card with 4mb of ram.

Also what C++ compilers are available and where to get them.

I have partitioned my hard disk into the following

C:   500mb DOS/FAT
D:   500mb Linux
E:   1000mb NTFS

Is possible when I boot into linux to 'mount' these other disks or log on to NT 
and have access to the Linux disk.

What do I need to do to get Linux to connect to other UNIX machines that is on 
the network ?


Best regards

Mike Appleby

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Re: xterm color

1997-01-10 Thread Ronald van Loon

|"Are you quite sure?  Perhaps they're just not finding stuff that you
|"add to them?
|"
|"I found this in /usr/doc/xbase/debian.README (it's at the very
|"end of the file):
|"
|""Please note that this distribution expects you to leave app-defaults
|"files unchanged. If you want to customise X applications globally, put
|"your customisations in /etc/X11/Xresources."

This is a bad idea, in general. It would mean that these resources are
stored in the server, which takes up memory, for one thing. The other thing
is that you get in all kinds of precedence problems if things are stored in
multiple places.

Unexpected behaviour due to resource settings is very hard to track down.
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Re: Gravis Ultrasound PnP sound card, How to make work with debian ?

1997-01-10 Thread Bob Clark

You might get it to work with isapnptools-1.8.tgz from:
ftp.redhat.com/pub/pnp/utils

--Bob

Stan Brown wrote:
> 
> I asked around a little, and decided to buy a Gravis Ultrasound card
> for my debian machine. It turns out to be a PnP device.
> 
> Setting the kernel up to handle the Gravis card looks simple, but how
> do I deal with the PnP ? My machine does *not* have a PnP biso.
> 
> Any advice would be greatly apprecited.
> 
> --
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Re: Gravis Ultrasound PnP sound card, How to make work with debian ?

1997-01-10 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Stan Brown wrote:

>   I asked around a little, and decided to buy a Gravis Ultrasound card
>   for my debian machine. It turns out to be a PnP device.
> 
>   Setting the kernel up to handle the Gravis card looks simple, but how
>   do I deal with the PnP ? My machine does *not* have a PnP biso.
> 
>   Any advice would be greatly apprecited.

I've recently solved this type of problem for a PnP isa card with a 
serial port for my new Logitech mouse, and I've done it with a PnP 
SoundBlaster 16 on a different box.  If your machine is a dual boot 
DOS/Linux machine, and you GUS works in DOS/Windoze then you can work out 
a method of warm booting Linux from the DOS system with the card already 
configured.  Otherwise, check out Peter Fox's isapnptools package 
available from Red Hat's ftp server.  This package should allow you to 
set the configuration of your card under Linux with some time and perhaps 
some frustration on your part.

Syrus.

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Re: Too many packages!

1997-01-10 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote:

> Ok, so somehow I downloaded a lot of stuff I just don't want, like X, emacs,
> TeX, and a host of little things like the little calculator program... I
> fire up Dselect and go to remove, and then it comes back to the menu screen
> with Exit highlighted.  Is this normal?

It's normal for dselect to move from step to step if no errors occurred.  
So, if the remove step was completed with no errors, it will return to 
the menu with the quit step selected.  There is no penalty for doing 
steps out of order. :)

> I did a dpkg --list, and I have a LOT of packages installed, apparently.  I
> know that one is not to use dpkg directly to install and remove, right?  Is
> there some way that I can force dselect to work for me?  I figure that way I
> will not accidentally delete a package that another package depends on :)

There is nothing wrong with using dpkg directly.  Unless you use the 
forcing options, then dpkg will not allow you to violate dependencies or 
to remove essential packages.  If you want to remove emacs, then just 
type "dpkg -r emacs".

> Also, if I want I can ftp the packages that I want to a directory and then
> run dselect from there, right?  I see things on the site I want, but going
> through that dselect ui is harder than doing it by hand, IMHO.  I do,
> however, appreciate the idea of packages (love it in Solaris!)

Actually, I do it both ways.  If I know I want a group of packages 
(usually from the unstable tree), I ftp them to a directory, and then 
type "dpkg -i *.deb" in that directory.  But, dselect is actually a 
powerful upgrade management tool once you're used to it.

dselect manages the command line options of dpkg for you, occaisionally 
taking care of advanced options like --force-depends so the user need not 
do so.  However, dpkg is the heart of the system, and some folks use it 
exclusively to manage their systems.

Syrus.

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RE: Ghostscript Version: 4.01-4

1997-01-10 Thread Rick Macdonald

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Paul Rightley wrote:

> Whenever I have had such problems, it usually results from the fonts being in
> the incorrect directory.  I seem to remember that sometimes GS expects its
> fonts under /usr/local/share/...  It seems to depend on how the binary was
> compiled (though I am not sure).  I do not know how to tell GS in what
> directory to look for fonts.

I found where it was looking by running gs under "strace" 
(eg: strace gs sum.ps)

Then, you can see it trying different places to find fonts:

open("./Fontmap", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/ghostscript/4.03/Fontmap", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/ghostscript/fonts/Fontmap", O_RDONLY) = 4

...and...

open("/usr/lib/ghostscript/fonts/n021003l.pfb", O_RDONLY) = 5

But, as has been posted, the latest gs and gs-alladin deb files
have this fixed.

...RickM...


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Re: xterm color

1997-01-10 Thread Guy Maor

"Nathan L. Cutler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On my system at least, there is no 'xterm-color' binary, so, if I
> understand things correctly, when I run 'xterm', only the XTerm
> app-defaults file is checked, not XTerm-color.

If you want color on by default, just add this line to
/etc/X11/Xresources:

#include 


Guy


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Re: improvements

1997-01-10 Thread Richard G. Roberto

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote:

> Indeed, it might be worth considering doing away with the
> classification of "required", "recommended", "extra", "important",
> etc., because every person's needs and desires are different.
> Obviously, if the system won't run without it, it is "required" de
> facto.
> 
> This might reduce the dselect confusion.

This can be done without changing package dependency data.  We
really just need to have a different interface for installing.
The current installer only takes you as far as getting base
installed and then throws us into dselect.  There needs to be an
intermediate step that allows for "simplified" installation of a
choice of several install profiles.  This is non-trivial however.
All packages of a given section cannot be installed and someone
needs to decide on which packages go in the canned profile and
which don't.  This needs to be a dynamic list that requires
active management much like the existing release and it would not
replace any part of the existing release process, so it means
more work.  This really should be done by "oem" types, but that
isn't how debian is getting distributed (yet?).

Just my $.02

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HTML in messages to the list

1997-01-10 Thread Nick Busigin

//grouch mode (sort of) on

Lately, I've noticed a (small) number of messages on this list that are
using html formatting (see below).  This format looks pretty ugly with
mail readers that don't display html documents.  Helpful hint:  don't use
html formatting in your email messages. 

//grouch mode (sort of) off

 Thanks!
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>
> Hi to all,
>
> 
>
>I want to buy a SCSI external zipdrive. I have an aha2940 SCSI
>controller. Is there any support for a zipdrive under debian?? How do 
>I have to compile the kernel for zipdrive support. What do I need (in 
>the kernel), if I want to use a parallel port zipdrive?? A stupid 
> question: How will I format the zipmedia under Linux?? Thanx for any 
>suggestions!! 
>
> 
>
>Greetings
>
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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Richard G. Roberto

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Ralph Winslow wrote:

> When Chow Chi-Ming wrote, I replied:
> 
> This seems easily addressed by honoring the Users' EDITOR environment
> variable setting, so why not?

Its not always set.

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Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys

1997-01-10 Thread Steve Dunham

"Daniel S. Barclay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> > > > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left
> > > > > Control keys under X windows?  
> 
> > I just read the config files and man XF86Config.  Add the following
> > to the Keyboard section of XF86Config:
> > 
> > XkbRules "xfree86"
> > XkbModel "microsoft"
> > XkbLayout "us"
> > XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps"
> > 
> > If you want the control keys _and_ caps lock to both do control, use
> > "ctrl:nocaps". All possible values for the above are listed in 
> > /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86
> > 
> > This is the "proper" way to fix the control keys with XFree 3.2.
> 
> Where's the documentation on that?  It seems to be hiding pretty well here 
> on my system.  E.g., the XF86Config man page doesn't seem to say what options 
> can go in the options after "XbdOptions".

> Also, why do you suggest "microsoft"?  (How do I see what all that would get
> me?)

Actually, it might be a bad idea (if you don't have a Natural
keyboard).  I left it in because it seemed to be the default anyways,
but it turns the "alt" key into "Alt" which may be undesired.  Use

   XkbModel "pc101"

As I said before, these are listed in 

  /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86

I figured it out by reading the XF86Config man page and all the
keyboard description files, and working backwards.  Perhaps I should
put a mini-HOWTO on my todo list...

Steve
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kernel 2.0.27 - nearly there:)

1997-01-10 Thread Fundamental


Yop, i picked the wrong network driver doh!  Now my new dual-processor
kernel mounts the right drives, and finds the network but just hangs on 

Configuring serial devices 

The lists esteemed wisdom is sort:)


Im out like bell bottom trousers,

michael


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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Matt Kracht

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Ralph Winslow wrote:

> This seems easily addressed by honoring the Users' EDITOR environment
> variable setting, so why not?

This may already be implemented, so forgive me if I haven't researched 
dselect enough: how about using a config file where we can remap all the 
keystrokes?  My first thought when running dselect was, "WTF?"  My second 
was, "How do I quit?  The command line couldn't possibly be as confusing."

I'm not knocking the program; it's really cool.  I just can't handle the 
user interface.  Maybe some hacker can rip out the base of dselect and 
turn it into a library (libdebian?), so that people can easily design 
programs with the functionality of dselect, but with a custom UI.

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RE: How to copy Debian?

1997-01-10 Thread Adam Shand

>>I mean how can I copy from a mirror site to my Windows machine. I do have
>>a ftp server on Windows.

You may want to check this pretty carefully.  I tried a couple different
Win95 FTP daemons to do what you are talking about and none of the handled
the symlinks to a point that it was usable.  I ended up just installing
Debian on the computer with the CDROM and doing a NFS install from there.

Adam.


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Re: DEBIAN 1.2 Install Problem

1997-01-10 Thread Daniel S. Barclay


> From: Darren Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I am trying to Install Debian 1.2 and it seems to be getting killed by my 
> CD-ROM.

What do you mean by "killed"?

Daniel


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backup kickstart

1997-01-10 Thread Fundamental


how do you make a backup kickstart? can debian do disk to disk copy?  if
so, would someone kindly tell me how:)


c'ya hate to be ya

michael


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Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE

1997-01-10 Thread Daniel S. Barclay


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)


> My first Linux installation was Slackware 2.3.  I did it with no access to
> the net and no outside help.  I installed Debian 1.1 on this machine with
> no help (I tried to get help, but my questions to this list vanished
> without a trace).  However, just because I can do it doesn't mean I want
> to.  I have better things to do with my time then puzzle out configuration
> problems by trial and error.  What is wrong with asking for help and
> thereby saving a great deal of time?  Or, better yet, providing good
^^   
> documentation?  All my problems with both Slackware and Debian were due to
  ^
AMEN!

> poor documentation.


(Not to ignore all the hard work that has gone into the system, and all
software and documentation we do have, but to emphasize something that is
needed to take advantage of all that hard work.)

Daniel


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Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Joseph L. Hartmann, Jr. wrote:

> I've finally had it.  Not to knock Kendrick.  His post just
> pushed me over the edge.  Nothing personal.  I'm in the same
> boat as him, generally.  So many questions on this list --- and
> practically no one knows how to TROUBLE SHOOT! (Including me!)
> Am I wrong about that??  How can we get to the point of
> standing on our own two feet with this linux system?  -- Maybe
> I shouldn't send this -- sounds like I'm angry at someone --
> maybe I am: with myself.  Used to be able to set breakpoints,
> single step, etc. What is this linux stuff all coming to if we
> can't get to the bottom of a problem by ourselves?  What do we
> have to *do* to be able to solve a problem on this system by
> using our own methods ?  I really do appreciate the help that
> incompetents like me can get from more expert individuals --
> but how do we get to be able to fix stuff for ourselves ???
> 
Patience is a virtue in almost any life experience. With Linux this is
even more true. Debian is no different from other Linux distribution with
respect to it's complexity. It is different from many in that it provides
mechanisms for dealing with this complexity.
Long distance debugging is not a trivial task, but it can be done. Later
postings are at least a demonstration of this effect.
Kendrik was correct to come to the list with his problem. We have pealed
it appart and discovered what caused the problem, and it will be fixed on
the next set of boot disks. This is the way it works.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: PnP modem under Debian

1997-01-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava

Hi,

I do have a US Robotics Sportster 28.8 FAX modem (which _was_
 advertized as PnP), and have had no problems getting it to work -- my
 ppp-connect-with-diald script is attached below. (It did use to work
 without AT&F1M0Y0E1V1Q0&C1&D2S0=0S7=30S13=1 as well).

manoj

#! /bin/sh
#
# WARNING!  Make sure this file is not world-readable!!!

# The number of your PPP server.
phone=4768154

# The login of your PPP account.
login=

# The password of your PPP account.
password=

setserial /dev/ttyS0 spd_vhi

/usr/sbin/chat -v TIMEOUT 13 ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" '' ATZ OK \
  'AT&F1M0Y0E1V1Q0&C1&D2S0=0S7=30S13=1' OK ATM0DT$phone TIMEOUT 25 \
CONNECT-ATDT$phone-CONNECT

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Dale Scheetz

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:

> > "Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Hamish>   Pressing / and entering the same search just takes you
> Hamish> back to the first result again. This is counter-intuitive
> Hamish> for users of vi, less etc. Lynx uses "n" to repeat a
> Hamish> search but dselect doesn't use that either.
> 
>  I thought the same thing.  It should work like 'less' does.  And have
> {C-s} and {C-M-s} incremental searching like Emacsen do as well,
> perhaps.
> 
This begins to look like a religeous discussion ;-)

The real question is: "What key does dselect use for repeat searches?"
rather than "What key should it be?".

I'm not an expert on dselect. I use dpkg almost exclusively to do my
incremental upgrades. I don't know if there is such a key, or not, but
it's clear it isn't documented very well if there is one. If there isn't
the bug is in the software instead of the docs (or including the docs).
Do we have an expert out there who can answer this question?

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: Apache -- Regarding File Privileges

1997-01-10 Thread Richard Jones

Johnie Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
[snipped stuff from Paul]
> What you did was exactly correct -- the improper permissions are a bug
> in that release of apache.  You may want to upgrade to the latest
> package, apache_1.1.1-8, which fixes some other things as well.  It's
> available in bo/ on the FTP site.
> 
> I'm the new maintainer of this package, so please let me know if you
> have any more problems.
> 

I'm interested as to why these fixes don't appear to have made it to rex, 
being the stable release surely it needs the fixes more than bo? 

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Re: Problems with 1.2.1

1997-01-10 Thread Richard Jones

Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
> On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Richard Jones wrote:
[snip]
> > 
> > Well a few problems were caused by me not deleting the old packages from the
> > tree when I had moved across new ones.  Also a few problems were caused
> > by packages that had been fixed but hadn't reached my mirror at the time I 
> > downloaded the whole lot.
> 
> Having two versions of a package in an archive will give dselect fits, and
> it will usually not do "the right thing".
> 

Yup it surely did..;)

> > 
> > Unfortunately I don't have time to do another fresh install, so 
> > unfortunately 
> > due to the non-standard install method (which sounds like it was definately 
> > part of the problem), all the data I collected on the install process is 
> > pretty useless as far as putting in reliable bug reports goes :(...but 
> > maybe 
> > someone else doing a fresh install the right way could use some of the 
> > notes 
> > as a cross-reference for any probs they have.
> > 
> You should not need to start over at this point. From what I know about
> the distribution, most of the problems you have had, have to do with
> dependency infelicities in various packages. As far as I know, all of
> these can be dealt with on a package by package basis. You will find good
> support here for helping you through these rough spots. Learning to deal
> with the class of problems you are encountering will boost your
> confidence in the system and increase your ability to have some fun with
> this product.
> 

Sorry, you misunderstood me, I managed to wade through the dependency problems
fairly quickly (most of them were the same as for 1.2).  What I meant by no 
time for a fresh install was that due to my broken upgrade method it was 
difficult to tell which problem were my fault and which were the packages 
fault, thus making accurate bug reports difficult.  This could have only been 
clarified by a fresh install which I had neither the time or space for (my box 
is permanently net connected and thus I try to avoid downtime as much as 
possible).

Another point made in the original post was that calling 1.2 (and 1.2.1) 
stable seems to be one giant misnomer.  They are installable if you have used 
linux before and/or have access to the mailing list, but others not in these 
groups would struggle (IMO). I haven't used the developement release but I 
have a feeling it could be just as stable if not more so than the "stable" 
releases, as many of the "unstable" packages released seem to be upstream 
bug-fixes that dont go directly into stable for some reason, also many of 
these dependency problems appear to be caused by packages being built on the 
developement system
(hence depending on stuff like libraries that are not yet available on 
"stable"), thus not always being fully compatable with the stable tree.

> Luck,
> 
> Dwarf
> 

Thanks for response.

Richard.

P.S. I *do* like debian and think its the most complete linux distribution out 
there.

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Re: Linuxconf

1997-01-10 Thread Shaya Potter

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Craig Sanders wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Shaya Potter wrote:
> 
> > > the biggest problem with linuxconf is that it replaces sysvinit.
> > > Linuxconf has some really nice features and seems like a
> > > comprehensive configuration system BUT even if it was 10 times as
> > > good it still wouldnt be worth losing sysvinit.
> >
> > What I was proposing on debian-devel would mean you can have both.
> > The linuxconf dropins would point toward the /etc/init.d scripts and  
> > when each package configures itself just like it calls update-rc.d
> > now it could call a "configure" program.  
> 
> that's partly missing the point.  init and linuxconf fulfil two separate
> functions.
> 
> configuration of a system and/or it's applications is an almost
> completely separate function to controlling what daemons get started and
> when.

I would personally like that to be the case too, (and if I had the 
ability to write a program like linuxconf I would have written it that 
way).  However, I didn't write it, but I still think it is the best tool 
for configuring a linux system and with minimal work can be made to work 
with debian.

> 
> I really don't want my system automatically restarting some important
> daemon just because i've touched it's config file - if i want it
> restarted then it's up to me to take some action which forces it to
> happen.

I agree with that and that is why we don't need to have linuxconf use the 
monitor lines in the dropins.

> 
> here's a good example of why: squid. when it restarts, it can take
> literally hours (depending on the size of the object cache it's
> managing) for it to completely read in it's log file and know what
> objects are already cached. This isn't a big issue if you're only
> caching 50 or 100mb of web traffic, but is a huge issue if your proxy
> machine has 4 or 8 or 20 GB of disk space dedicated to the task. I need
> to be able to edit squid's conf file at any time and schedule a restart
> for a time that suits me and the users dependant on it.

I understand, but even if you wanted it to restart automatically, all it 
would take is editing a single line in the dropin

> 
> Also, there are other daemons and processes which rely on important
> state-dependant information which will be lost when they are terminated
> and restarted. Having that happen automatically whenever a config file
> is touched strikes me as being not only inflexible, but also potentially
> dangerous. i don't want my system second-guessing me.
> 

Again, don't have to have a monitor line.

> 
> i'd be a lot more inclined to like linuxconf if it confined itself to
> managing configuration information and left init's job to initand
> left my job to me.

I agree with you first point, but we can easily make linuxconf let you do 
your job.

> 
> A configuration engine's job is to make it easier to configure and
> use EXISTING configuration methods, not to force everything into it's
> mold. In other words, it has to maintain continuity with established
> standards.
> 
It does mostly, however I do know the init issue is a big issue.  I might 
talk to the linuxconf developer to see if we can get it better 
intergrated with init.

Shaya


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Yet another basic interpreter

1997-01-10 Thread Orn E. Hansen


  I saw a message here, informing of an interpreter for basic, some time 
ago.  Does anyone know where the package is?

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Re: Linuxconf

1997-01-10 Thread Craig Sanders

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Shaya Potter wrote:

> > the biggest problem with linuxconf is that it replaces sysvinit.
> > Linuxconf has some really nice features and seems like a
> > comprehensive configuration system BUT even if it was 10 times as
> > good it still wouldnt be worth losing sysvinit.
>
> What I was proposing on debian-devel would mean you can have both.
> The linuxconf dropins would point toward the /etc/init.d scripts and  
> when each package configures itself just like it calls update-rc.d
> now it could call a "configure" program.  

that's partly missing the point.  init and linuxconf fulfil two separate
functions.

configuration of a system and/or it's applications is an almost
completely separate function to controlling what daemons get started and
when.

I really don't want my system automatically restarting some important
daemon just because i've touched it's config file - if i want it
restarted then it's up to me to take some action which forces it to
happen.

here's a good example of why: squid. when it restarts, it can take
literally hours (depending on the size of the object cache it's
managing) for it to completely read in it's log file and know what
objects are already cached. This isn't a big issue if you're only
caching 50 or 100mb of web traffic, but is a huge issue if your proxy
machine has 4 or 8 or 20 GB of disk space dedicated to the task. I need
to be able to edit squid's conf file at any time and schedule a restart
for a time that suits me and the users dependant on it.

Also, there are other daemons and processes which rely on important
state-dependant information which will be lost when they are terminated
and restarted. Having that happen automatically whenever a config file
is touched strikes me as being not only inflexible, but also potentially
dangerous. i don't want my system second-guessing me.

i'd be a lot more inclined to like linuxconf if it confined itself to
managing configuration information and left init's job to initand
left my job to me.

A configuration engine's job is to make it easier to configure and
use EXISTING configuration methods, not to force everything into it's
mold. In other words, it has to maintain continuity with established
standards.

craig

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Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?

1997-01-10 Thread Mark W. Blunier



On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:

>   Secondly, how much faster can I see between the 28.8 modem, ISDN,
>   T1, T2 , etc.  I'd also want to know what should I need from the
>   ISP in order to setup the connection between my Debian/Linux box
>   to the ISP. 
ISDN is 64.  T1 is a monster, and if you can't get ISDN, Its extremely
unlikely that you could get one.  And if you could, unless you are
extremely wealthy, you couldn't afford it.

> All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT
>   and not Linux.
Depends on what you mean by support.  If you mean when you tell them
you are using Linux, they can tell you how to set up your chatscript,
then no, they usually don't support it.  On the other hand, if it can
run MS products, you should be able to set up Linux whithout to much
of a problem.  As a side note, I noted that usually the guys taking the
calls are totally clueless.  A friend of mine told them he was using 
Linux, and the guy behind the desk said 'whats that?'.  His boss told
him 'It's what the shell account runs on, stupid.'
> 
>   Also,  how much faster if the the connection is PPP vs. SLIP or CSLIP?
On a clean line, CSLIP is supposedly the fastest.  On a dirty line, PPP
is the fastest.  CSLIP is faster than SLIP, since its SLIP w/ compression.
However, in general, its unlikely that you would notice the difference,
and for other reasons I can't remember, your probaly best off running
PPP.

Mark



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A Handful of problems ...

1997-01-10 Thread Richard G. Roberto

Hello,

I'm having the following problems and wondered if anyone here
could help out.

1) I can't seem to find any "howto" style docs on netatalk.  I'm
trying to set up a gateway to some unix printers for some of the
macs but haven't had much luck.  I'm using 1.4b2-1.  I set up
papd.conf such that nbplkup show the print service (and the macs
can see it) but it just doesn't print.  I can provide many more
details to anyone willing to receive them.

2) I can't get code generated by p2c to compile.  Even when I use
"cc -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib -lp2c" it still fails.  It doesn't
seem to be able to "find" the functions defined in the p2c.h
header, although I don't know why.  I have p2c 1.20-2, libc5
5.4.13-1, and gcc 2.7.2.1-2.

Again I'd gladly provide more info to anyone interested.

Thanks in advance.

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Curious radius2.0.deb?

1997-01-10 Thread Fundamental


Im curious, well radius2.0 ever become a debian package?

thanks


Peace

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Re: Disk partitioning - recommended sizes (fwd)

1997-01-10 Thread Pete Templin

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:

> :Make the following symlinks:
> :
> :/tmp ->  /local/tmp (unless you might share this drive via NFS)
> :/home->  /local/home
> :/usr/local ->/local/usr
> :/var/spool ->/local/spool (again, if using NFS, you should break this
> : down - talk to me individually)
>   Do the above FS and symlinks comply with fsstnd (File system standard)?
>   Just want to know.  Thanks!

Well, it falls under the category of site specific filesystems, and with
the symlinks in place, everything that the fsstnd specifies will still
"exist" where they belong (you can still do 

  --> Thu 21:12 on Templinux : pwd is ~
tcsh> ls -l /var/spool/mail/templin
-rw-rw   1 templin  mail 5483 Jan  9 21:06
/var/spool/mail/templin
  --> Thu 21:12 on Templinux : pwd is ~
tcsh> 

without a problem, it's just that the file actually exists on a custom
partition.  My main idea in spec'ing the above was to cluster files that
a user would want to retain from one install to another without fear of
loss due to initialization of a system partition (notice I didn't say
repartitioning!), and it also offers the ability to dynamically reallocate
space as necessary: if you're running short on disk space, you can dump
/usr/local/src to tape and scrap it, freeing up more space for home
directories or monstrous inboxes.  Strange way of looking at it, but I'd
rather bunch /usr/local, /home, and /var/spool/mail in one disk (and guess
on the "right" size) than have to guess three times.  Given the WIDE
variety of hardware out there and the fact that we can't go to the store
and ask the Debian salesperson to assemble a system to our requirements
(usually...), it'll be a guessing game already.  Much as I enjoy
reinstalling machines (sorry, in my line of work, you get numbed to
machines that won't boot!), I'd rather not have to spin tape for all of my
personal files just to repartition for them.

Especially since I just found out that my backup script had lots of oopses
in it!!!

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Cern Web Server Stats

1997-01-10 Thread John Roesch


I am using debian with the Cern Web Server.  I have set it up to use   
standard log format but don't know what to use to report on the   
statistics.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to what to use?

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Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?

1997-01-10 Thread Mark W. Blunier



>   I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that
>   I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP.  Currently
>   I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house.  I'd like to know
>   how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of
>   all this and process of setting up a mirror.  (I have plenty of
>   harddrive space 10G in total).

I run a 14.4 modem, and it works quite nicely.  Start it in the
morning before I went to work, and it would run till about 3
the next morning when my ISP reset his modems.  It only took 4
days.  Now that its mirrored, the upkeep is very quit and easy.

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Gravis Ultrasound PnP sound card, How to make work with debian ?

1997-01-10 Thread Stan Brown

I asked around a little, and decided to buy a Gravis Ultrasound card
for my debian machine. It turns out to be a PnP device.

Setting the kernel up to handle the Gravis card looks simple, but how
do I deal with the PnP ? My machine does *not* have a PnP biso.

Any advice would be greatly apprecited.

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Re: Where to get the window-managers from

1997-01-10 Thread Don Morton

Don Morton wrote:
> 

> 
> Speaking of window managers, I've noticed the absence of olvwm
> (as opposed to olwm).  Does anybody know of a debian package
> that contains this, or at least a location for source code?
> 

I'm replying to my own post here -  I probably should have looked
a little harder before posting, but for those who are interested,
here's what I found:

olvwm (IMHO, an excellent UNIX-style virtual window manager) IS
available in the "unstable" distribution of Debian.  A pre-req
for installation is libc5-5.4.17-1.deb, also available in the
unstable (base dir) distribution.  I installed the updated libc5
and olvwm and all works fine.  Nice to get rid of that winders 95
look!! I really hate for my students to become too attached to
that! :-)

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Re: A few questions.

1997-01-10 Thread Richard G. Roberto

On 9 Jan 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> 
>   The kernel-source package is just the "pure" sources from
>  Linux in /usr/src/kernel-source-X.XXX directory. Nothing is added to
>  that directory tree. It does contain pre and post install scripts to
>  help maintain /usr/src/linux symlink -- you can then have multiple

This link is no longer needed to compile kernels.  My kernel
source trees are in /usr/local/pub/kernels with no links to
anywhere.

>   The point is, there is no difference in the kernel code. The
>  statement that the kernel source package is less fine tuned
>  than the original sources is a fallacy. 
> 

That's true.  I just had kernel sources already and have
downloaded the releatively small patches along the way intead of
the whole source tree again.  I might be a cool thing to have a
kernel-patches package though.  This would need to depend on
kernel sources of course.

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Too many packages!

1997-01-10 Thread Kendrick Myatt

Ok, so somehow I downloaded a lot of stuff I just don't want, like X, emacs,
TeX, and a host of little things like the little calculator program... I
fire up Dselect and go to remove, and then it comes back to the menu screen
with Exit highlighted.  Is this normal?

I did a dpkg --list, and I have a LOT of packages installed, apparently.  I
know that one is not to use dpkg directly to install and remove, right?  Is
there some way that I can force dselect to work for me?  I figure that way I
will not accidentally delete a package that another package depends on :)

Also, if I want I can ftp the packages that I want to a directory and then
run dselect from there, right?  I see things on the site I want, but going
through that dselect ui is harder than doing it by hand, IMHO.  I do,
however, appreciate the idea of packages (love it in Solaris!)

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Re: Multible search and replace?

1997-01-10 Thread Joey Hess

> This is especially nifty because "from" may be a perl regular expression
> (including parentheses pairs enclosing substrings of itself) and "to"
> may include $1, $2... refernces to such pairs- very handy.

Well, not with the example I gave you can't, but if you use something like
this, you can use all those wonderful perl regexp tricks:

#!/usr/bin/perl -i.bak
$find=shift; $replace=shift;
while (<>) { eval "s/$find/$replace/g"; print }

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Re: Somethings Serious Amiss with JDK?

1997-01-10 Thread Alex Romosan

>I get that same error about java was not found in 
>/usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java.

i've solved the problems on my machines by linking
/usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java to /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java-jdk. don't
know if this is the "approved" solution.

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Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-10 Thread Lindsay Allen


IMO dselect is a wonderful tool and Debian would be sunk without it.  We
all owe a great deal to Ian for his work.  The problem is that the
learning curve for new users is a bit steep.  The words _brick_wall_ have
been mentioned.

On initial install could dselect be run in the background so that newbies
are shielded from the nuts and bolts?  Or, to be more accurate, so that
they are not allowed to fiddle with the defaults.  This would upgrade
things one more level from the base package.  The user will have a
working system and can then learn about dselect as time permits. 

I also think the idea of having dselect install different flavours of
Linux for differing needs by getting it to work with a list has merit,
though the primary need is one for newbies.  If dselect had this ability
different groups could then roll their own.

As I am the chap who landed the job of documenting dselect for 1.2
install, I would like email from those who followed my recommendation to
stick with the defaults.  How much difficulty did you then have?  Other
constructive comments are also welcome.

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Re: PEX? XIE?

1997-01-10 Thread Guy Maor

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) writes:

> No, he meant (or at least I do now): why does X (when it starts,
> and it does on my mashine, with that path in /etc/ld.so.conf)
> say that it didn't load the PEX and XIE extentions? And, how
> can I load them?

The answer is in XF86Config(5x).  There's no reason to load them if
you don't need them, btw.  They'll just consume memory.


Guy


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Re: nfsiods?

1997-01-10 Thread Philippe Troin


On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 11:47:16 EST Pete Templin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

>   What script starts the four nfsiod's that are on my stock, Debian
> 1.2 system (not upgraded from 1.1, but not necessarily 1.2.1)?  How can I
> prevent them from even starting at boot time?

These are kernel threads. They're automatically started by the kernel when 
needed. If you don't want them, then don't use your machine as a NFS server:
  - remove all entries from /etc/exports (I'm not sure this will avoid the 
nfsiod start)
or
  - remove the nfs module from the kernel (look at the /etc/modules and 
/etc/conf.modules files).

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Re: Problems with 1.2.1

1997-01-10 Thread Guy Maor

Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Having two versions of a package in an archive will give dselect fits, and
> it will usually not do "the right thing".

It won't give it fits, but it won't automatically use the later
version.  It'll use the one that happens to come first in the
directory.

Guy

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Re: X-wm question.

1997-01-10 Thread Philippe Troin


On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 16:11:46 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> how can it be managed, that ONLY the programms available and installed
> would appear in the X-windowmanager's menues?? Someone told me that an
> other distribution, not Debian!!, would perform all entries in the
> .xwmrc during the installation. I'd like to know, whether this is
> possible in debian too?? If not, I would propose to implement a
> procedure like this. Currently all entries have to be performed by hand,
> right??

Yes. However support for what you're talking about is already present in 1.2. 
Only a few packages take advantage of it yet, but 1.3 should integrate much 
more packages in the menu system.

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novice questions

1997-01-10 Thread Larry Clayton


I am running debian linux 1.1 (linux 2.0.0) very satisfactorily
except for some bizarre behaviour on startup and shutdown:

1.  On startup the initial login will not take any input--as if the
keyboard was frozen.  So I go to vc 2 and login.  Then I can login at 
vc 1 again.  But after I succeed with the password, it still won't
give me a prompt until I do a Ctrl C.   What's happening?

2.  It often stalls at shutdown.  I get these messages:
The system is going down for reboot NOW !!
INIT: Switching to runlevel: 6
INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal
INIT: Sending processes the Kill signal
At that point it stalls--and freezes the machine.
So I have to reset the machine.  Next
time I bring up linux it has to go through e2fsck.

3.  When I call man, for example man 9wm, I get the response, "What
manual page do you want from section 9wm?"  So I try man 9wm.1 and get
the same response.  What is the appropriate answer to such a question?

Any enlightenment about any (or all) of these problems
will be greatly appreciated.  (I have unbounded admiration for you
linux wizards.)


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