Re: More diald problems.

1997-01-13 Thread Philippe Troin
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:29:48 PST Kevin Traas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As requested, I've included my configuration files throughout the message below. I hope this helps in figuring out what my problem is. (I've stripped out my username passwords from the files) I think I can

Re: routing

1997-01-13 Thread Philippe Troin
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 18:32:21 EST Daniel Stringfield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: hello all. I have TWO Debian boxes sitting side by side (plus more, but they aren't hooked up as of yet) My problem is: When DIALD is running, nothing works over ethernet. If I run TCPDUMP, I can see

Re: 16 bpp and 1280 x 1024

1997-01-13 Thread Orn E. Hansen
Michael Gajhede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (--) S3: Using Trio32/64 programmable clock (MCLK 70.000 MHz) (--) S3: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 80.000 MHz (--) S3: Clock for mode 1280x1024 is too high for the configured hardware. Limit is 80.000 MHz (--) S3: Removing mode 1280x1024 from

Re: emergency action

1997-01-13 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote: im curious, being not so familiar with debian as i am with solaris, if i somehow edit a file which on reboot, prevents my debian box from rebooting, is there a way to get back into the box and edit out my changes? For instance, on a solaris machine i

Re: More diald problems.

1997-01-13 Thread Kevin Traas
From: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Traas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: More diald problems. Date: Sunday, January 12, 1997 3:49 PM Here it is !!! Diald starts pppd itself, you don't have to start it in your dial script. The dial script is

Re: syslog errors

1997-01-13 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Walter L. Preuninger II, you wrote: Last night while trying to figure out why cron was not starting up, there were no S89cron files in /etc/rc[2-5].d, something happened to my syslog. Now all I get is Jan 12 13:39:47 walterp kernel: klogd 1.3-0, log source = /proc/kmsg

Re: More diald problems.

1997-01-13 Thread Philippe Troin
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:09:00 PST Kevin Traas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So what happens is that pppd is started while diald thinks you're connecting... It cannot install the defaultroute too... Wow! That explains things! Thanks *so* much for your help! And an answer in only 14

Majordomo

1997-01-13 Thread Fundamental
Started playing with the majordomo package recently, in the middle of the dpkg -i it gives an error that i have smail installed but dont have aliasinclude running. Ive checked the man pages for smail and did a search of the packages at ftp.debian.org and can find no reference to this function.

Re: emergency action

1997-01-13 Thread Fundamental
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Daniel Stringfield wrote: servo For instance, on a solaris machine i just stick my boot disk/cd in, when it servo gets to the configuration screen i can cntrl break out of it into a shell servo and hack around at will, is this possible on a debian box? servo servo From

Re: Majordomo

1997-01-13 Thread System Account
hi there i made these changes in the /etc/smail/directors file. i commented out the lists and replaced it as below (the lists are for smails use). Then add in the aliasinclude for majordomo. --- CUT FROM /etc/smail/directors --- #lists: #driver=forwardfile,

Re: Majordomo

1997-01-13 Thread Fundamental
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, System Account wrote: listinfo # added for majordomo (Dec 12 96) (stupid fuckin thing) listinfo aliasinclude: listinfo driver=aliasinclude, nobody; listinfo copysecure, copyowners listinfo Yes, thanks it did:) I noticed you werent to impressed by the

Debian dselect question

1997-01-13 Thread Robin Rowe
Hi. In October I got Debian on the CD-ROM from Dale Scheetz, but had some problems getting it to work with my CD-ROM. I got sidetracked and have only recently gotten back to trying to finish installing Debian. I now have the base system installed but have a problem installing any packages. When I

Debian Package

1997-01-13 Thread Fundamental
umm, is any one allowed to make a debian package? if so, is there a HOWTO on it? thanks SaHua michl Experts are people who don't know all the answers but are sure that if they're given enough money, they can find the answers. -Rex

Re: Debian dselect question

1997-01-13 Thread Philippe Troin
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:30:01 PST Robin Rowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: When I run dselect it asks me for the location of the Packages-Master file. I assume what it wants is /cdrom/Debian-1.1.8/indices/Packages-Master-i386, and therefore enter the directory path to that file. However, dselect

Re: Debian dselect question

1997-01-13 Thread esoR ocsirF
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Robin Rowe wrote: ... objects that it can't find /cdrom/Debian-1.1.8/indices/stable/binary-i386. There is no 'stable' directory on my CD. I was just wondering if you had mounted your CD-rom before you ran dselect?

Re: Debian Package

1997-01-13 Thread esoR ocsirF
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote: umm, is any one allowed to make a debian package? if so, is there a HOWTO on it? Hi, try downloading the manual at the following URL ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-developer/programmer.ps.gz Good luck,

Re: Debian Package

1997-01-13 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, esoR ocsirF wrote: /\ | Frisco Rose, | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

installing pico

1997-01-13 Thread esoR ocsirF
Hello, Has anyone got an idea where I can find info on installing pico? If this message is not appropriate, please let me know. I am ... (look sideways, and whisper)... a newbie. /

Re: installing pico

1997-01-13 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, esoR ocsirF wrote: Hello, Has anyone got an idea where I can find info on installing pico? If this message is not appropriate, please let me know. I am ... (look sideways, and whisper)... a newbie. Hello. Me again. I'm the pine/pico maintainer. Its in the non-free

Re: A proposal to improve dselect

1997-01-13 Thread Chow Chi-Ming
Pete == Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pete On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Jonas Bofjall wrote: No, this is wrong. A new user should not have to read long documents prior to installation. The configure scripts which runs directly after the installation should make reading docs unnecessary.

Re: improvements

1997-01-13 Thread tomk
Ralph Winslow writes: When Kendrick Myatt, et. al. wrote, I replied: Somebody wrote: communications non-networking communications documentation all documentation development as is currently games all games graphicsanything which creates, massages,

ATI Mach64 Cards notice

1997-01-13 Thread John Hoffmann
>From: ATI Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Linux XFree86 Configuring >Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:13:52 -0500 > >Dear Mr. Hoffman, > > ATI Customer Support has received numerous requests asking for assistance with ATI products in use

Re: .mirror file request

1997-01-13 Thread Warwick HARVEY
Ryan Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i was wondering if someone could send me their mirror configuration file that they use to mirro the debian distribution tree so that i can work off of it. The mirror package comes with such an example already. Have a look at

Re: emergency action

1997-01-13 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On 12 Jan 1996, Guy Maor wrote: This will put it into single user runlevel. No, emergency is not the same as single. emergency does the bare minimum - mounts root ro and launches a shell. single will still run the scripts in /etc/rc.boot, mount all your partitions, start update, turn on

Problems with rex+bo mixed bag ...

1997-01-13 Thread Richard G. Roberto
I'm getting these type of messages every now and again. Any ideas??? richr:4:$ xfd xfd: can't resolve symbol '_IO_stdout_' xfd: can't resolve symbol '_IO_stdin_' Its happened with more than just xfd, but I don't remember what else at the moment. What other info would be helpful here? Thanks

Re: using .rhosts?

1997-01-13 Thread Bob Clark
Is you user-id (number in /etc/passwd) the same on both machines? --Bob Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote: Hi there, there's one problem that arose on my two debian machines at home, that I noticed a couple of days ago, but I can't find a solution yet... I am mainly working on the

Re: Problems with rex+bo mixed bag ...

1997-01-13 Thread Joey Hess
I'm getting these type of messages every now and again. Any ideas??? richr:4:$ xfd xfd: can't resolve symbol '_IO_stdout_' xfd: can't resolve symbol '_IO_stdin_' Its happened with more than just xfd, but I don't remember what else at the moment. What other info would be helpful here?

net-pf

1997-01-13 Thread Bill Wohler
With the recent upgrade to kernel 2.0.27 and diald 0.14-8 I'm getting the following messages in /var/log/daemon.log: Jan 11 15:56:34 gbr modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-4 Jan 11 15:56:38 gbr modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-5 I learned how to shut them up by adding

Re: Debian dselect question

1997-01-13 Thread Robin Rowe
No, you should enter /cdrom/Debian-1.1.8, not indices. Sounds logical, but dselect still didn't work. The screen output is something like this: |- | Insert the CD-ROM and enter the block device name [] __/dev/sonycd__ |

Re: shadow-suite?

1997-01-13 Thread Darren Klein
On 12 Jan 1996, Guy Maor wrote: Darren Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried getting there with dselect and the ftp option. I could not enter the dir. When it asks for the distriubtion I tried experimental, project , contrib, unstable. Unfortunately you can't use dpkg-ftp to

how to find out who has fingered me?

1997-01-13 Thread Lawrence Chim
Rather than checking any log file, is it possible to find out who has fingered a user. I heard that I can create a .plan file to do it, but I don't know how to do it. Anyone knows how? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail

How to set up man?

1997-01-13 Thread Lu Jimmy Chenji
I dowloaded bsdmantl.deb, groff.deb, libgpp27.deb, and man.deb from Debian-1.2-fixed/msdos-i386/ directories. And I used deselect to install these files to my pc's hard drive. The installation was successful. But when I try to run man, I got the following error.

.mirror file request

1997-01-13 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
Ryan == Ryan Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ryan i was wondering if someone could send me their mirror Ryan configuration file that they use to mirro the debian Ryan distribution tree so that i can work off of it. Could I also have a copy? TIA Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Debian 1.2.2 and dependency on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1)

1997-01-13 Thread Tony Robinson
Whilst trying to upgrade using the ftp method to the latest stable release (i.e. rex-fixed a.k.a. Debian-1.2.2) I have the following conflicts: dungeon depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) abuse depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) filerunner depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) xfig depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1)

changing/correcting dependencies

1997-01-13 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Hello, somehow there's a problem with X11R6 dependencies in Debian 1.2. Trying to install gimp-smotif dselect says, that X11R6 is needed but doesn't seem to be available. Of course I installed it and it even works :) This should be a problem in xbase, I think. I tried to correct it by

Re: Any IRC channels for (Debian) Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Hanno Wagner
Hi! On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Jim Blaney wrote: Are there any IRC channels specifically for discussing setup issues related to (Debian) Linux? On which Net? There is EFNet (american part), IRCnet (european part), LinuXNet, HappyNet, CityNet,... I am on the IRCnet, normally on #Linuxger (german

Re: ATI Mach64 Cards notice

1997-01-13 Thread Paul Serice
This was a really nice letter. I'm glad ATI is assisting the LINUX community by helping out the developers of X drivers. It only reconfirms my decision to buy an ATI video card. Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble?

Re: More diald problems.

1997-01-13 Thread Andree Leidenfrost
This IMHO is not correct. From the diald-man-page: PPPD OPTIONS When diald is being used in PPP mode extra options can be passed on to pppd by specifying them after a -- on the command line. This should not normally be necessary as default options can be placed

Re: Any IRC channels for (Debian) Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Linux Lists
At 08:41 PM 1/11/97 -0600, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On which network? Efnet? Whoops, yes. EFnet. :) I'm only on EFnet and YiffNet anyway :) Ben So.. US-side of EFnet? Or European side? // Remco van de Meent // email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // www:

RE: mime and elm (was RE: X-wm question and ZipDrive)

1997-01-13 Thread Casper BodenCummins
Hamish Moffat wrote: Good. Any chance you could not send all messages as MIME, either? Real PITA to read with plain jane elm on a character terminal. Couldn't you pre-filter your email with procmail and a MIME extraction program? Maybe the packages mime-support (which `can be used to turn

Re: gcc can't find headers

1997-01-13 Thread Paul Serice
On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Alexander Gieg wrote: You need to install the packages libg++27_2.7.2.1-3.deb and libg++27-dev_2.7.2.1-2.deb. The headers that you have are for the cross-compiler win32 version of gcc. That did it. Thanks! Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the

amd makes link to ISP come at at boot time

1997-01-13 Thread Andree Leidenfrost
I recently switched to diald which is a great thing and worked rather out of the box. However, I encounter the following problem with amd: When the machines boots everything is fine up to the point, where amd gets started. Here the bootprocess is delayed. Diald establishes the connection to the

Cyrix 5x86 100 with Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Jim Blaney
Anyone having any success getting Linux to run with Cyrix 5x86 100 Mhz processors? I am having trouble, and I've seen a few messages that imply there are problems, so I want to know whether I'm trying to do the impossible g. thanks, Jim Blaney. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST:

automatic mounting of CDs

1997-01-13 Thread Kai Grossjohann
Hi there, Sun Solaris has vold which watches the CD-ROM drive and mounts the CD when you insert one. Is there a similar program for Debian? tia, kai -- I wonder why nobody don't like me, or is it de fact dat I'm ugly? -- Harry Belafonte -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the

IP Masquerading

1997-01-13 Thread Olivier Abad
I'm using IP Masquerading on a Debian 1.2 box at work. It works very well except for one thing : authentification on our NT domain. The configuration of our network is the following : - The PCs on our LAN (behind the Debian box) are masqueraded. - Our Window$ NT server is not masqueraded (it has

Re: automatic mounting of CDs

1997-01-13 Thread Andree Leidenfrost
Hi Kai, you can use 'amd' for your purpose. It is a little complicated to set up but once configured it does it's job very well. However, make sure you grab the package 'amd_upl102-6.deb' from 'unstable/binary-i386/net/' because it fixes some heavy bugs and has some additional information

Re: Cyrix 5x86 100 with Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Dick Arnold
I'm using Cyrix 586/120 with no problems. Linux sees it as a 486 but it runs great. -- Dick Arnold On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Jim Blaney wrote: Anyone having any success getting Linux to run with Cyrix 5x86 100 Mhz processors? I am having trouble, and I've seen a few messages that imply there

Colors in an Xterm

1997-01-13 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
Hi, I have just installed a new debian box and I am missing the diferent colors that ls uses to distinguish the files. This works ok in a virtual console but not in an xterm. Before there used to be a color-xterm package that was needed but it has disappeared. From the manual page for xterm, it

Re: Help: problem with booting from HD

1997-01-13 Thread Riku Saikkonen
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Thank you for the suggestion. this is what I got so far. I repartitioned the disk with a 500mb primary partition for DOS (06) (some of my pc friends insisted I put DOS as the first one :-), forllowed with two 300mb primary linux partitions, and a 64mb

Multi session cdrom

1997-01-13 Thread * ESGER *
I've got the following problem: I wrote the debian installation files (stable etc.) to a CDR. I wrote them to a second session (my cdr is a HP 4020i, I wrote the cd under W95). The second session (and the first) is readable under dos/W95 but not under linux. My cdrom on the linux machine

Re: Debian 1.2.2 and dependency on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1)

1997-01-13 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 13 Jan 1997, Tony Robinson wrote: Whilst trying to upgrade using the ftp method to the latest stable release (i.e. rex-fixed a.k.a. Debian-1.2.2) I have the following conflicts: dungeon depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) abuse depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) filerunner depends on libc5 (=

Re: How to set up man?

1997-01-13 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Lu Jimmy Chenji wrote: I dowloaded bsdmantl.deb, groff.deb, libgpp27.deb, and man.deb from Debian-1.2-fixed/msdos-i386/ directories. And I used deselect to install these files to my pc's hard drive. The installation was successful. But when I try to run man, I got

Re: how to find out who has fingered me?

1997-01-13 Thread Pete Templin
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Lawrence Chim wrote: Rather than checking any log file, is it possible to find out who has fingered a user. I heard that I can create a .plan file to do it, but I don't know how to do it. Anyone knows how? Install cfinger (a debian package), a configurable finger

Re: Any IRC channels for (Debian) Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Ben Gertzfield
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Linux Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So.. US-side of EFnet? Or European side? *poke* Do I look Finnish to you? ;) Amurrican-side. - -- Brought to you by the letters J and N and the number 18. Mmm.. incapacitating.. -- Homer Simpson Ben Gertzfield

Re: Any IRC channels for (Debian) Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Remco van de Meent
At 08:25 AM 1/13/97 -0600, Ben Gertzfield wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Linux Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So.. US-side of EFnet? Or European side? *poke* Do I look Finnish to you? ;) Amurrican-side. And I. Do I look Amurrican to you? got it? :) -- // Remco van de Meent //

Re: Arghh.. Problems with install.

1997-01-13 Thread Sven Rudolph
Troy M. Lubbers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alright, I'm attempting to install Debian. (That's good right?) Well, I've encountered my first problem. When I boot with the Rescue disk, I get all the error messages probes etc, that it's supposed to do. Then it comes to what I'm sure it's not

The Java Package

1997-01-13 Thread Gith
I've installed the following packages: jdk-apidocs 1.0.2-1Java 1.0.2 API. jdk-common 1.0.2-3JDK (Java Development Kit) jdk-static 1.0.2-3JDK (Java Development Kit) - Static part I keep getting an error like: java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i486/bin/java

Sony cdu31a problem

1997-01-13 Thread Matt Lawrence
I'm trying to install Debian 1.2 off of the Dec. InfoMagic CDs. After typing in cdu31a=0x340 at the boot prompt, the kernel recognizes the CD drive, but there isn't an entry in /dev. It's easy enough to create one, but I don't know the appropriate major and minor device numbers. Any

Re: Cyrix 5x86 100 with Linux

1997-01-13 Thread JD Thomlinson
I'm running a Cyrix 586/120 with essentially no problems. Minor problem: Colorado FC-20 interface for tape backup requires that I turn off turbo system clock and backup slow (~7-8MB/min). Otherwise, system works fine. JohnT !-- Life is non-orthogonal and big endian. -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE

No Subject

1997-01-13 Thread Michael Appleby
Dear All, I'm having trouble installing olvwm, I have installed libc5-dev ( 5.14-17), but needs libc5 ( 5.14-17), but I can only find libc5( 5.14-13). I have installed the x server for svga, I have a Matrox millennium graphics card, has any one had experience using with the Matrox Millennium

Re: More diald problems.

1997-01-13 Thread Orn E. Hansen
Hi, I saw your message on the debian mailing list, where you described your problem with getting up diald. Now, what is happening is your 'ppp-up' script. Diald is informing you in the log, that it doesn't get a return code from this script. It never returns to diald, so diald thinks

Re: emergency action

1997-01-13 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Fundamental wrote: im curious, being not so familiar with debian as i am with solaris, if i somehow edit a file which on reboot, prevents my debian box from rebooting, is there a way to get back into the box and edit out my changes? For instance, on a solaris machine i just stick my boot

Re: Cyrix 5x86 100 with Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Carl Greco
According to Jim Blaney: Anyone having any success getting Linux to run with Cyrix 5x86 100 Mhz processors? I am having trouble, and I've seen a few messages that imply there are problems, so I want to know whether I'm trying to do the impossible g. According the the latest(?) Linux

Re: Diald Problems....

1997-01-13 Thread Kevin Traas
IT WORKS!!!IT WORKS!!!IT WORKS!!!IT WORKS!!!IT WORKS!!! IT WORKS!!!IT WORKS!!! Sorry Got carried away grin Thanks for all of your help, Philippe. At first, the login failed, but once I increased the timeout for the login sequence from 5 seconds to 15,

Re: More diald problems.

1997-01-13 Thread Kevin Traas
From: Orn E. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Traas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: More diald problems. Date: Monday, January 13, 1997 5:11 AM I saw your message on the debian mailing list, where you described your problem

Re: Cyrix 5x86 100 with Linux?

1997-01-13 Thread Carlo U. Segre
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Jim Blaney wrote: Anyone having any success getting Linux to run with Cyrix 5x86 100 Mhz processors? I am having trouble, and I've seen a few messages that imply there are problems, so I want to know whether I'm trying to do the impossible g. I have used the 6x86 with

Re: Multi session cdrom

1997-01-13 Thread Philippe Strauss
* ESGER * wrote: I've got the following problem: I wrote the debian installation files (stable etc.) to a CDR. I wrote them to a second session (my cdr is a HP 4020i, I wrote the cd under W95). The second session (and the first) is readable under dos/W95 but not under linux. My cdrom

Re: how to find out who has fingered me?

1997-01-13 Thread mike horansky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Templin) wrote: On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Lawrence Chim wrote: Rather than checking any log file, is it possible to find out who has fingered a user. I heard that I can create a .plan file to do it, but I don't know how to do it. Anyone knows how? Install

Re: Diald Problems....

1997-01-13 Thread Philippe Troin
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:46:18 PST Kevin Traas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Although things work, I do have some strange messages appearing in /var/log/messages. Although things seem to be working okay, I think they're probably something that should be looked into. Can you shed any light on

Help with Laserjets

1997-01-13 Thread Brian Schramm
Hi, I would like to connect my Linux machine to a HP Jetdirect card. I know it means setting up bootp and setting up the printercap files special. I just cannot find any info on how to do that. Any ideas? Thanks for any help. Brian Schramm -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail

Re: Debian 1.2.2 and dependency on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1)

1997-01-13 Thread Joey Hess
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: dungeon depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) abuse depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) filerunner depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) xfig depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) cthugha depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1) The maintainers of these packages moved to the later