Re: Unas preguntitas
Hola Javier, Te puedo ayudar con la 1) On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 02:23:35AM +0200, Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez wrote: Hola a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Acabo de instalar Potato desde cero y me he encontrado con dos problemas que no se resolver: 1) Al iniciar mediante gdm una Sesión gnome, esta me arranca sin tener en cuenta la localización del usuario que lanza la sesión. Si arranco una Sesión xsession me funciona bien dado que inicia las variables de entorno definidas en ~/.xsession. Al no ir la localización, tanto los menús como el juego de caracteres (sin eñes ni tildes ni...) de las aplicaciones lanzadas desde gnome o el gestor de ventanas por defecto (Window Maker) no aparecen como deben. Modificas como root el archivo: /etc/environment Deja esta linea: -8- LANG=es_ES.ISO-8859-1 -8- 2) Tengo un ratón de tres botones (boton central con rueda) de Logitech que me funcionaba a la perfección en Slink luego de compilar imwheel y gpm al efecto pero al instalar el paquete imwheel en Potato la cosa no funciona. Tengo el ratón como imps2 en /dev/psaux en /etc/gpm.conf. Ni idea 3) Al imprimir ASCII este aparece con la eñes, tildes y demás animales de nuestra lengua desaparecidos en combate... un poco pesado de leer y peor de presentar a tereceros :) Puede que la solución del 1) te arregle esto también :-? ... Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Saludos, -- - Manel Marin e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Powered (Debian 2.2 potato) kernel 2.2.15 Mira mis chuletas de Linux en http://perso.wanadoo.es/manel3 - Mi petición de drivers para Linux es la nº 33126 (Pasate por http://www.libranet.com/petition.html ;-)
Documentación de postfix
Alguien conoce algun site donde pueda encontrar documentación de Postfix en castellano? Un Saludo y gracias, Santi Moreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User #180326
Re: Errores en los CDs oficiales
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Antonio Castro wrote: Tengo entendido que en algún CD oficial de la Potato (No se si la i386 está afectada) existe algún fichero corrupto. Es decir que su md5sum parece no coincidir con el obtenido directamente del mirror ftp. Lo siento mi ingles no es muy bueno y por eso pregunto. Si alguien sabe algo de esto me gustaría ser informado. Sobre todo me interesa saber que CDs están afectados y si se conoce que tipo de solución está prevista para estos casos. No he recibido respuesta pero me contesto a mi mismo porque creo que es de interés general. Los problemas a los que me refería fueron descubiertos en Sparc y Alpha. Para estas se ha sacado una versión nueva denominada 2.2.rev0a Un saludo Antonio Castro +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ /\ /\ Ciberdroide Informática (Tienda de Linux) \\W// http://www.ciberdroide.com _|0 0|_ +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | . . . . . . . . . . | +()()()--()()()+ | Más de 1.000 sitios clasificados por temas sobre Linux en *Donde_Linux* | | http://www.ciberdroide.com/misc/donde/dondelinux.html | +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
RE: trabajo en segundo plano
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignacio_Garc=EDa_Fern=E1ndez?= wrote: Hola, tengo que ejecutar una serie de programas que quiero se me ejecuten en segundo plano, pero si es posible lo hagan cuando el sistema no se esté utilizando o la cantidad de recursos del mismo sea lo suficientemente alta Tu orden es nice. Mira la página de manual con man nice y te indica como utilizarlo. Creo que era nice -num nombre_programa donde num va de -20 (mayor prioridad, consume más CPU, solo usable por root) a 19 (solo trabaja cuando el sistema no tiene nada mejor que hacer. Lo que tu pides, creo). Si además utilizas cron para que se ejecute a horas intempestivas (a las que no trabaja ni el sereno) mejor aun. Pero de cron probablemente sepa yo menos que tú así que dejaremos que los gurús de la lista nos ilustren al respecto. Un saludo. ignacio Me temo que el comando batch resulta mejor para eso que las combinación de nice y cron. Al fin y al cabo está pensdo exactamente para lo que Ignacio preguntaba. batch executes commands when system load levels permit; in other words, when the load average drops below 0.8, or the value specified in the invocation of atrun. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Un saludo Antonio Castro +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ /\ /\ Ciberdroide Informática (Tienda de Linux) \\W// http://www.ciberdroide.com _|0 0|_ +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | . . . . . . . . . . | +()()()--()()()+ | Más de 1.000 sitios clasificados por temas sobre Linux en *Donde_Linux* | | http://www.ciberdroide.com/misc/donde/dondelinux.html | +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
RE: ld.so
Me baje el oracle para linux para probarlo hace un mes, la ultima version que había que dreo que es la misma que tu tienes y realmente es una herramienta potente, pero su instalación en debian puede llegar a ser muy engorrosa, si sigues todas las instrucciones de instalación que viene en el manual que lo acompaña no tienes ningún problema, eso si es lenta y va en Java. En cuanto a las librerias usa las que vienen con Potato (además te lo pone en el manual :) ), tb se puede hacer una instalación no gráfica aunque no se que sera peor. Comentarte tb que a pesar de seguir siendo un toston en la Debian su instalación no tiene nada que ver con alguna anterior que probé donde tenias incluso que modificar alguno de esos scripts que te va generando en tiempo de ejecución para que se instalase Correcctamente Saludos Fran Couñago [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc-hispano: #linux_galicia -Mensaje original- De: Carlos López [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 22 de agosto de 2000 8:41 Para: Pablo Sabatino CC: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Asunto: Re: ld.so Voy a intentar responderte. De entrada deberías asignar todas las variables de sistema (ORACLE_HOME, etc)y volver a intentar la instalación. Si después de esto no funciona entonces un problema de compatibilidad de librerías del sistema. ¿Estás instalando bajo potato, woody o slink?. Es muy probable, por la experiencia que tengo con las oracle 8.0.x en Unix que ese sea el problema. Prueba, si es potato o woody, a instalar las antiguas librerias de la sección oldlibs. En principio no puedo decirte nada más. Hasta luego. --- Pablo Sabatino [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hola! Tengo el siguiente problema al querer instalar el oracle 8.1.6i R2 - El error que me manda al ejecutar el Script que inicializa el proceso de instalacion es(previo al seteo de variables y demas): [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrom] $ ./runInstaller ## Lee el cd pero devuelve el siguiente error. BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 57: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion '! bad dynamic tag' failed! En oracle me dijeron que es un tema de sistema operativo... ¿Alguno me podria ayudar al respecto? ¿Conocen ese error? ¿Como puedo resolverlo? Gracias desde ya a todos pabloS. _ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Correo
El martes 22 de agosto de 2000 a la(s) 13:52:04 +0200, Ignacio Garcia Fernandez contaba: - Qué hacen exáctamente los programas tipo sendmail. Sendmail es un cartero que lleva los mensajes de un ordenador a otro. Cuando el destinatario está en el mismo ordenador que el cartero, éste le añade el mensaje a su buzón. Postfix, qmail, exim, zmailer y smail son otras opciones. - Como puedo montar en una máquina con debian un servidor de correo elctrónico de manera que, por ejemplo, un ordenador con un programa como pine, eudora o cualquiera que sirva para leer el correo, pueda leerlo. La mayoría de los programas de correo en Unix leen los mensajes del buzón personal del usuario, que en Debian está localizado en /var/spool/mail/usuario. La solución es usar fetchmail para que baje los mensajes del servidor POP de tu ISP y los meta en dicho buzón. Adicionalmente, algunos programas soportan POP y no hay necesidad de usar fetchmail, pero esto no lo he probado nunca y no sé lo que harán con los mensajes una vez bajados. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.15 - Reg. User #87069 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgpEWNx9CVwqa.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Correo
Sendmail es un cartero que lleva los mensajes de un ordenador a otro. Cuando el destinatario está en el mismo ordenador que el cartero, éste le añade el mensaje a su buzón. Postfix, qmail, exim, zmailer y smail son otras opciones. ¿Cuál me aconsejas para empezar? por sencillez de configuración sobre todo. Gracias __ Ignacio García Fernández [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ponga un matemático en su empresa.
Glib-Gtk y controles de Edición de Texto
Hola debiandantes, A ver si alguien que programe con Glib-Gtk me puede responder esta duda: He usado algunos programas hechos con la susodicha, como CodeComander y BlueFish y noto que la frecuencia de refresco de los caracteres escritos cuando editamos un archivo es bastante lenta, pudiendo llegar a 1 o 2 segundos de retraso. ¿Es esto normal? ¿Se necesita un ordenador más potente que un P-II 266 con 128 Mb de RAM y 4 Mb de Vídeo para que no se note? ¿Tengo (eso espero) algo mal configurado? Gracias de antemano. Saludos, Luis mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Presentacion e Imagenes ISO
Ante todo pedir disculpas a la lista por mi participación 'pasiva'. Llevo bastante tiempo en ella pero no suelo tener mucho que aportar así que me he mantenido sin hacer ruido. Soy 'informático' de afición y profesión. Trabajo en el departamento de soporte a sistemas de información de una empresa de ingeniería de sistemas. El unix lo toqué hace años aunque no lo suficiente como para que me enganchara, era poco amigable y muy caro. Con linux me picó la curiosidad pero preferí romper el hielo con una distribución más accesible (redhat). Ahora que empiezo a sentirme con fuerzas de conocer debian y en cuanto encuentre una máquina donde hacer pruebas me pondré manos a la obra. Referente a la pregunta de Camilo, yo he quemado las imágenes desde un w2000 profesional y no he encontrado ningún problema, al menos en una instalación todo lo completa que pude. Cierto es que sólo usé el primer CD. Saludos. Destinatarios: Usuarios Debian Español debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Asunto: Imagenes ISO Hola todos: Desafortunadamente la única quemadora de C.D a la que tengo acceso está en una máquina con W2000, así que me surge una duda, ¿las imágenes ISO de Debian, se pueden usar para quemar los C.D en una máquina NT? De no ser así, ¿donde consigo imágenes que se puedan usar en NT?
Re: Imagenes ISO
Las Imágenes iso siguen el estandar ISO9660, por lo que se pueden burnear (asi le llamo yo a quemar xD) en cualquier sistema operativo, siempre que se disponga del soft adecuado. Te recomiendo CDRWin Hasta pronot y de nada - Original Message - From: Camilo Alejandro Arboleda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Usuarios Debian Español debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:50 PM Subject: Imagenes ISO Hola todos: Desafortunadamente la única quemadora de C.D a la que tengo acceso está en una máquina con W2000, así que me surge una duda, ¿las imágenes ISO de Debian, se pueden usar para quemar los C.D en una máquina NT? De no ser así, ¿donde consigo imágenes que se puedan usar en NT? gracias, Camilo Alejandro -- * De simio la conoci y he visto hombres que la añoran. * En lo que a mi se refiere, ni entonces ni ahora * perdi mi libertad. Informe para una academia. Franz Kafka -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Unas preguntitas II
On mar, ago 22, 2000 at 08:43:09 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote: Con lo bonito que es el xdm... :) Nunca he usado gdm :| Yo hace una semana que lo uso por primera vez en mi vida, hay que experimentar :) Dices que usando xsession funciona bien. Para usar gnome-session, quizás haya que usar otro archivo de configuración? (que se yo, .gnome-session o algo)... esto de GNOME es mu moderno para mi todavía. Sólo lo tengo instalado en el ordenador de mi madre. Puse LANG=es_ES.ISO-8859-1 en /etc/enviroment y me pone todos los menús en español pero el juego de caracteres parece que no lo pilla pues todo lo que son tildes y eñes lo muestra como un caracter que no corresponde. El tema de cambiar /etc/enviroment para arreglar el problema me parece matar moscas a cañonazos pero es que no he podido hasta la fecha hacer otra cosa. El acroread es ese programa sólo binario, no? :) Si. xpdf es libre y está muy bien pero no soporte el índice lateral ni thumbnails que si soporta acroread, si no estoy en lo cierto que alguien me lo diga y elimino acroread de mi disco duro de inmediato :) Si es un bug del programa, el maintainer (Anthony Fok) poco podrá hacer. Ya descubrí de qué se trata, es un bug. Mirando en la lista de bugs no corregidos de Acrobat Reader leí que había problemas con resoluciones superiores a 16bpp, yo la tenía en 24bpp así que al cambiarla problema resuelto. Lo que no se es por qué acroread no funciona con resoluciones altas y por qué el Netscape Communicator aparece con colores pobres si lo pongo en 24bpp, se que tiene que ver con la memoria de vídeo y la paleta de colores pero me parece algo solventable dado que en Windows no pasa... ¿o es que con XFree 4.x la carga de memoria es menos mastodóntica?... es posible que ya esté resuelto, aún no he probado XFree 4.x y todavía no me apatecen sensaciones fuertes :-D Un saludo y gracias. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webs: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/viguPersonal http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vigu/linux/ ViguLinux PGP public key: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vigu/vigu.pubkey pgpaO9wIwVetH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Conflicto gpm - X
Hola, después de darle mil vueltas de configuración al asunto no consigo poner de acuerdo a gpm y las X para que se lleven bien. Tengo un Logitech Mouseman+ con rueda (por puerto PS/2) y en Slink me funcionaba: 1) Poniendo en /etc/gpm.conf: device=/dev/psaux responsiveness= repeat_type=ms3 type=imps2 append=-l \a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\370-\377\ 2) Poniendo en la sección Pointer de /etc/X11/XF86Config: Section Pointer ProtocolIMPS/2 Device /dev/psaux EndSection 3) Instalando imwheel desde sus fuentes bajado de su sitio: http://jonatkins.org/imwheel/ En la Potato recién instalada tengo la misma configuración para gpm pero si pongo lo mismo que en Slink en la sección Pointer de /etc/X11/XF86Config, el ratón no me responde en las X. Sólo funciona si lo pongo bajo protocolo Microsoft o Mouseman siendo el dispositivo /dev/gpmdata. Parece que hay cierta falta de coherencia entre el ratón en consola y en las X, ¿alguien sabe como solucionar el problema?. Gracias y un saludo. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webs: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/viguPersonal PGP public key: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vigu/vigu.pubkey
Re: Archivos de Debian Potato
toni wrote: Buenas, puedes hacer una actualizacion si tienes slink, poniendo en el /etc/apt/sources.list una linea como deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian potato main contrib (sin comillas). Para actualizar es sencillo: # apt-get update # apt-get --fix-broken --show-upgraded dist-upgrade Con esto te bajará los paquetes (los dejará en /var/cache/apt/archives/) y te los instalará y configurará. Si no tienes slink instalado, lo mas facil es esperar a que rule la direccion que ya conoces con las imagenes. Espero haber sido de ayuda. Salud. Kion_ wrote: Saludos, como muchos de ustedes ya estara desesperado por tener a Potato instalado en sus maquinas(quien no???). Ayer entre en el mirror de Debian en España, pero no supe que archivos bajarme para hacer una correcta instalacion, alguien tendria la amabilidad de ayudarme y mejor aun si me pueden dar la direccion en donde estan las imagenes para quemar en CD's, en la pagina oficial de Debian dan una direccion pero no rula. Gracias por su ayuda. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Potato (2.2.16) -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian GNU/Linux Slink (2.2.15)
Re: Conflicto gpm - X
At 05:16 p.m. 2000-08-23 +0200, Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez wrote: Hola, después de darle mil vueltas de configuración al asunto no consigo poner de acuerdo a gpm y las X para que se lleven bien. Tengo un Logitech Mouseman+ con rueda (por puerto PS/2) y en Slink me funcionaba: 1) Poniendo en /etc/gpm.conf: device=/dev/psaux responsiveness= repeat_type=ms3 type=imps2 append=-l \a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\370-\377\ Pos, no sé si sirva, pero acabé de instalar potato (desde 0; las particiones ya me daban pena, así que aproveché y reorganizé todo), y me pasó algo similar. El mouse (un MS serial, 2 botones), funcionaba perfecto con gpm pero no servia con X. Paré gpm y funcionó en X, así que revisé gpm.conf. Se me había hecho extraño ese repeat_type en la configuración de gpm (nunca lo ví cuando instalé slink), así que lo volé, y se solucionó el problema. HTH -- Ugo Enrico Albarello López de Mesa A proud Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 User http://members.xoom.com/ugo_linux/ Linux Registered User #52657
Re: Errores en los CDs oficiales
En binary-i386-2.iso también hay un fichero corrupto. Se trata del paquete
pdksh_5.2.14-1.deb. El único error se encontraba en único bit que no era el
correcto. Si tienes la imagen iso puedes corregirla fácilmente: en -devel
pastearon ayer un programa en C que arreglaba la imagen. Por si acaso
alguien lo quiere lo mando adjunto. Saludos./* correct-i386-2.c
Corrects the Debian 2.2 rev0 i386 Binary-2 CD for a single-bit error.
COMPILE: gcc -Wall -O2 -o correct-i386-2 correct-i386-2.c
USAGE: ./correct-i386-2 binary-i386-2.iso
NOTE: This is an in-place correction - it doesn't require any disk space.
Old md5sum: c4a8591b64efe58e0acd39f7eac30ac6 binary-i386-2.iso
New md5sum: be04cd6d17159d66978ad227b26ed17d binary-i386-2.iso
Copyright (C) 2000 J.A. Bezemer
Licensed under GNU GPL -- NO WARRANTY WHATSOEVER -- USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
*/
#include stdio.h
#define POS 0x148554de
#define OLD 0xc8
#define NEW 0xc0
int
main (int argc, char *argv[])
{
FILE *f;
unsigned char o, n = NEW;
if (argc == 2
(f = fopen (argv[1], r+)) != NULL
fseek (f, POS, SEEK_SET) == 0
fread (o, 1, 1, f) == 1
o == OLD
fseek (f, POS, SEEK_SET) == 0
fwrite (n, 1, 1, f) == 1
fclose (f) == 0)
{
fprintf (stderr, Correction successful\n);
return 0;
}
else
{
fprintf (stderr, Usage error, file error, wrong file or already
converted file\n);
perror (This may be the error message);
return 1;
}
}
Lilo i bzImage
He estado buscando en los archivos de las listas los correos sobre los problemas con bzImage i lilo con la potato que se comentaron hace poco pero no los he encontrado. Si alguien me puede dar una pista sobre como se solucionaba o cuando se hablo para buscarlo lo agradecería. Perdonad por la vuelta a algo que ya se ha hablado. __ Ignacio García Fernández [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ponga un matemático en su empresa.
Re: problemas con el afterstep y gnome
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:00:29AM +0200, Marta Pla wrote: Gracias a todos por vuestra ayuda, ya tengo el problema solucionado, cuando arrando las X arranca el afterstep con el gnome-session. Por curiosidad, que versión de Debian, AfterStep y GNOME estás usando? -- Jordi Mallach Pérez || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Rediscovering Freedom, aka Oskuro in|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Using Debian GNU/Linux Reinos de Leyenda || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://debian.org http://sindominio.net GnuPG public information: pub 1024D/917A225E telnet pusa.uv.es 23 73ED 4244 FD43 5886 20AC 2644 2584 94BA 917A 225E pgpo5o2NYa2zV.pgp Description: PGP signature
squid se queda sin threads
squid[27465]: aio_queue_request: WARNING - Running out of I/O theads squid[27465]: aio_queue_request: Perhaps you should increase NUMTHREADS squid[27465]: aio_queue_request: Or install more disks to share the load $ grep -i thread /etc/squid.conf # a thread. $ grep -i thread /usr/share/doc/squid/*html [bla bla bla, aquí habla en el FAQ-19.html de una opción --enable-async-io que según el README.Debian sí se utilizó al compilar el paquete Debian, pero que no me parece muy relacionada con el tema este.] No sé si tendrá algo que ver con libpthread (que ahora está ya en libc6 y no es un paquete por separado); he intentado mirar algo en esta dirección pero en la doc de libc6 no veo nada de numthreads. ¿Dónde tengo que cambiar NUMTHREADS? Por si sirve de algo, la ocupación de /var/spool/squid es bastante reducida. 100 MB, de los que el 00/ tiene 95: $ du /var/spool/squid [bla bla] 95754 /var/spool/squid/00 100467 /var/spool/squid -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.15 - Reg. User #87069 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgpTsbYGjcs59.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Documentación de postfix
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:31:20AM +0200, Santi Moreno wrote: Alguien conoce algun site donde pueda encontrar documentación de Postfix en castellano? Que yo sepa, no hay. -- Jordi Mallach Pérez || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Rediscovering Freedom, aka Oskuro in|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Using Debian GNU/Linux Reinos de Leyenda || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://debian.org http://sindominio.net GnuPG public information: pub 1024D/917A225E telnet pusa.uv.es 23 73ED 4244 FD43 5886 20AC 2644 2584 94BA 917A 225E pgpglbPJxwiPV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Imagenes ISO
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 06:50:48AM -0500, Camilo Alejandro Arboleda wrote: Desafortunadamente la única quemadora de C.D a la que tengo acceso está en una máquina con W2000, así que me surge una duda, ¿las imágenes ISO de Debian, se pueden usar para quemar los C.D en una máquina NT? De no ser así, ¿donde consigo imágenes que se puedan usar en NT? El que uso en un servidor de la universidad es el Easy CD Creator. Ese entiende el formato .raw (renombralo a .iso, que es un poco tonto). -- Jordi Mallach Pérez || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Rediscovering Freedom, aka Oskuro in|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Using Debian GNU/Linux Reinos de Leyenda || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://debian.org http://sindominio.net GnuPG public information: pub 1024D/917A225E telnet pusa.uv.es 23 73ED 4244 FD43 5886 20AC 2644 2584 94BA 917A 225E pgp9JtOcBwhrP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Correo
El miércoles 23 de agosto de 2000 a la(s) 13:56:58 +0200, Angel Vicente Perez contaba: No, el que no los pone es un programa que se llama pronto. El mutt si. Oh, pobre ignorante de mí. Mensaje recibido :^). -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.15 - Reg. User #87069 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgphZoVGYBMLQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Correo
El miércoles 23 de agosto de 2000 a la(s) 13:01:45 +0200, Ignacio García Fernández contaba: Postfix, qmail, exim, zmailer y smail son otras opciones. ¿Cuál me aconsejas para empezar? por sencillez de configuración sobre todo. Cuando instalé Linux quería aprender a usar programas reputados, por lo que como MTA escogí sendmail. Meses más tarde me enteré de su historial como programa lleno de bugs pero sigo con él, por lo que no te puedo recomendar ningún otro. Te diré sin embargo que pienso en cambiar, y los principales candidatos son qmail y postfix. Dicen que exim se configura en un suspiro... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.15 - Reg. User #87069 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgp1Nld28IwWa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Distribucion oficial de Potato
Ahora es main, contrib, non-free, non-us/main, non-us/contrib y non-us/non-free. ¿y de donde se pueden bajar todos esos non-us? en el ftp.es.debian.org no los hay -- Saludos borxa ;)
Re: Problema.
No es por meterme con la forma de escribir de la gente, pero en esta lista últimamente algunos ponen unos topics o asuntos que no dicen nada, como es este ejemplo. Si todos lo que no nos funciona algo ponemos Problema como topic...todo serían Problemas y los topics pasaría a ser totalemente inutiles. -- Saludos borxa ;)
Re: Conflicto gpm - X
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 05:16:43PM +0200, Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez wrote: device=/dev/psaux responsiveness= repeat_type=ms3 type=imps2 append=-l \a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\370-\377\ Section Pointer ProtocolIMPS/2 Device /dev/psaux EndSection En la Potato recién instalada tengo la misma configuración para gpm pero si pongo lo mismo que en Slink en la sección Pointer de /etc/X11/XF86Config, el ratón no me responde en las X. Sólo funciona si lo pongo bajo protocolo Microsoft o Mouseman siendo el dispositivo /dev/gpmdata. Parece que hay cierta falta de coherencia entre el ratón en consola y en las X, ¿alguien sabe como solucionar el problema?. Yo tengo un Genius con clit, err, ruedecita también: device=/dev/ttyS0 responsiveness= # Genius type=ms3 append=-3 -l \a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\370-\377\ -B 321 repeat_type= -- Section Pointer # Genius ProtocolIntelliMouse Device /dev/mouse BaudRate1200 Emulate3Timeout 50 Resolution 100 Buttons 3 Emulate3Buttons EndSection Supongo que lo que está jodiendo ahí es el repeater. Quítalo a ver. Y el imwheel, aparte de generar bugs, que hace? Para hacer scrolls y esas cosas? Vale la pena? (yo la rueda la uso como tercer botón). -- Jordi Mallach Pérez || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Rediscovering Freedom, aka Oskuro in|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Using Debian GNU/Linux Reinos de Leyenda || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://debian.org http://sindominio.net GnuPG public information: pub 1024D/917A225E telnet pusa.uv.es 23 73ED 4244 FD43 5886 20AC 2644 2584 94BA 917A 225E pgpNzXLGRurZV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conflicto gpm - X
On mié, ago 23, 2000 at 07:50:25 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote: Supongo que lo que está jodiendo ahí es el repeater. Quítalo a ver. Lo pruebo en cinco minutos... no te muevas :D Y el imwheel, aparte de generar bugs, que hace? Para hacer scrolls y esas cosas? Vale la pena? (yo la rueda la uso como tercer botón). ¡Hombre!, mi hermano tenía uno hace tiempo y me parecía una solemnte soplapo**ez pero me regalaron uno, lo probé y te ahorra realmente tiempo, ¡ah! y aparte tiene boton central (donde está la rueda), si que es útil. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webs: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/viguPersonal PGP public key: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vigu/vigu.pubkey pgp8Th1MmJ94T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Distribucion oficial de Potato
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:25:18PM +0200, 31 wrote: ¿y de donde se pueden bajar todos esos non-us? en el ftp.es.debian.org no los hay Umh. ftp.es.d.o no hace mirror de non-us? No entiendo el motivo... alguien que controle esa máquina puede decir algo? -- Jordi Mallach Pérez || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Rediscovering Freedom, aka Oskuro in|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Using Debian GNU/Linux Reinos de Leyenda || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://debian.org http://sindominio.net GnuPG public information: pub 1024D/917A225E telnet pusa.uv.es 23 73ED 4244 FD43 5886 20AC 2644 2584 94BA 917A 225E pgpYlpHF99jfg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: squid se queda sin threads
* [2823 14:39] Hue-Bond ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) decia: squid[27465]: aio_queue_request: WARNING - Running out of I/O theads squid[27465]: aio_queue_request: Perhaps you should increase NUMTHREADS squid[27465]: aio_queue_request: Or install more disks to share the load $ grep -i thread /etc/squid.conf # a thread. $ grep -i thread /usr/share/doc/squid/*html [bla bla bla, aquí habla en el FAQ-19.html de una opción --enable-async-io que según el README.Debian sí se utilizó al compilar el paquete Debian, pero que no me parece muy relacionada con el tema este.] Hola de hecho esa opcion tiene todo que ver con ese mensaje Tambien esta en defines.h pero ya que el configure tiene esa opcion me suena mas correcto hacerlo de esa manera No sé si tendrá algo que ver con libpthread (que ahora está ya en libc6 y no es un paquete por separado); he intentado mirar algo en esta dirección pero en la doc de libc6 no veo nada de numthreads. ¿Dónde tengo que cambiar NUMTHREADS? No, libpthread es otra historia Saludos -- Daniel H. Perez
Re: Glib-Gtk y controles de Edición de Texto
Hola, El mié, 23 ago 2000 13:08:11 Luis Taboada escribió: He usado algunos programas hechos con la susodicha, como CodeComander y BlueFish y noto que la frecuencia de refresco de los caracteres escritos cuando editamos un archivo es bastante lenta, pudiendo llegar a 1 o 2 segundos de retraso. Yo tengo un simple P-200/64MbRAM y no me va tan mal. ¿Qué tema tienes configurado para GTK? Los temas pixmap, por ejemplo, son horriblemente lentos. Un saludo, Jon
RE: Correo
Hola, El mié, 23 ago 2000 13:01:45 Ignacio García Fernández escribió: Postfix, qmail, exim, zmailer y smail son otras opciones. ¿Cuál me aconsejas para empezar? por sencillez de configuración sobre todo. Exim se configura casi solo. Un saludo, Jon
Manual
estimado amigo: Lei de casualidad su pedido y le confirmo que tengo el manual requerido por usted como asi tambien el Cd de instalación quedo a su disposición para solucionar su problema. -Jorge G. ViñaCiclos Computación[EMAIL PROTECTED] BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;Lucero FN:Lucero EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:19990825T193459Z END:VCARD
Servidor PPP
Hola Estoy tratando de poner en marcha un servidor de acceso remoto en slink y tengo algunas dudas tras leer la documentacion de agetty, pppd y el ppp-howto. Igual alguien me puede hechar una mano. En NT he montado muchos servidores de acceso remoto y creo que me estoy calentando la cabeza demasiado en Debian. Hasta ahora lo que creo que hay que hacer es modificar el inittab para incluir la linea del getty que inicializa el modem (viene un ejemplo tanto en el ppp-howto como en el man de agetty), que a su vez no debe lanzar login si quieres usar chap o pap y que debe lanzar en su lugar pppd. La configuracion de pppd es ya muy variable segun las intenciones que se tengan. ¿no? ¿Alguien tendria un ejemplo funcionando y me podria pasar sus ficheros de configuracion y scripts? Tengo intencion de añadirlo al Diald-Howto como ejemplo de integracion de llamada bajo demanda y recepcion de llamadas. Tambien he oido hablar de mgetty. ¿Diferencias con agetty? Gracias y saludos.
Re: Conflicto gpm - X
El miércoles 23 de agosto de 2000 a la(s) 20:21:01 +0200, Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez contaba: Y el imwheel, aparte de generar bugs, que hace? Para hacer scrolls y esas cosas? Vale la pena? (yo la rueda la uso como tercer botón). ¡Hombre!, mi hermano tenía uno hace tiempo y me parecía una solemnte soplapo**ez pero me regalaron uno, lo probé y te ahorra realmente tiempo, Yo hace tiempo casi vivía en el ciber de mi primo, donde los ratones no tienen rueda, pero sí un mecanismo similar consistente en un botón basculable para darle hacia arriba y hacia abajo. Al principio me parecía también tonto, pero luego le cogí el truquillo y lo echaba de menos en un ratón normal, de la misma forma que se echa de menos el tab en ms-dos :^). [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.15 - Reg. User #87069 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgp2jAU7IsslH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Conflicto gpm - X
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Ugo Enrico Albarello wrote: At 05:16 p.m. 2000-08-23 +0200, Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez wrote: Hola, después de darle mil vueltas de configuración al asunto no consigo poner de acuerdo a gpm y las X para que se lleven bien. Tengo un Logitech Mouseman+ con rueda (por puerto PS/2) y en Slink me funcionaba: 1) Poniendo en /etc/gpm.conf: device=/dev/psaux responsiveness= repeat_type=ms3 type=imps2 append=-l \a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\370-\377\ Pos, no sé si sirva, pero acabé de instalar potato (desde 0; las particiones ya me daban pena, así que aproveché y reorganizé todo), y me pasó algo similar. El mouse (un MS serial, 2 botones), funcionaba perfecto con gpm pero no servia con X. Paré gpm y funcionó en X, así que revisé gpm.conf. Se me había hecho extraño ese repeat_type en la configuración de gpm (nunca lo ví cuando instalé slink), así que lo volé, y se solucionó el problema. HTH -- Ugo Enrico Albarello López de Mesa A proud Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 User http://members.xoom.com/ugo_linux/ Linux Registered User #52657 Lo que hace el repeat type es simular un mouse del tipo especificado en el device /dev/gpmdata, entonces para usarlo hay que usar ese device en el XF86Config. Xavier
Sonido en KDE2
Hola lista. Llevo bastante tiempo instalando los paquetes de KDE2 de kde.tdyc.com en mi portátil para ver cómo va evolucionando. NUNCA me ha funcionado el sonido, pero como últimamente parece que ya es bastante estable, pensaba que debería funcionar. No me carga el artsd, y si lo hago yo a mano, lo más normal es que las aplicaciones de sonido de KDE o las utilidades del arts no funcionen o no arranquen (me sale la aplicación de Bug Report). ¿Alguien ha tenido éxito en este aspecto y sabe si hay que hacer alguna configuración especial? Mi ordenador es: portatil HP Omnibook XE2 Sonido: Maestro 2 Versión: Debian 2.2 Kernel: 2.4.0-test-4 Aplicaciones de sonido como el XMMS sí que funcionan. Muchas gracias Emilio Tejedor
Problemas com umask...
Ola *, Estou tendo problemas com o umask no Debian 2.2 (usando bash). Quando rodo umask 002 em um shell tudo funciona muito bem. Mas quando tento definir no momento de abertura de uma shell nao funciona. Ja tentei colocar o comendo umask 002 em: /etc/profile ~/.profile /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bashrc Tambem ja tentei colocar UMASK 002 no arquivo login.defs e nada. Alguem da lista pode me dar uma ajuda? Desde ja grato pela atencao, ./Kratz -- Daniel de Pellegrini Kratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Campus da UFSM - Predio 48 Santa Maria - RS - Brazil CEP: 97105-900 Fone: +55-55-220-4823
Mensagens perdidas
ae povo!! qualquer mensagem que tenha sido enderecada a mim foi perdida, o balsa resolveu implicar com as mensagens e deu sumico nelas =( []s!! -- - Gustavo Noronha Silva By Kov!!
Modem sem som
Fala pessoal!! Tenho uma placa mae 598 com tudo OnBoard, meu modem eh pctel e eu jah to usando ele beleza, soh tem um problema... naum ouco o som da discagem... alguma dica?? Meu som eh cmipci e to usando o ALSA como driver, jah que o OSS dava tilte quando conectado na internet... []s!! -- - Gustavo Noronha Silva By Kov!!
Re: Modem sem som
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:33:02PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Fala pessoal!! Tenho uma placa mae 598 com tudo OnBoard, meu modem eh pctel e eu jah to usando ele beleza, soh tem um problema... naum ouco o som da discagem... alguma dica?? Meu som eh cmipci e to usando o ALSA como driver, jah que o OSS dava tilte quando conectado na internet... Qual alsa você tem usado? Eu uso o 0.5.9b e tenho problemas com o playback de programas que usam a emulação oss (real video entre outros) e alguns com drivers alsa nativos como o xmms. No caso dos emulados oss, o som funciona bem por alguns segundos e começa a chiar até a alma, no caso do xmms ele toca com cliques frequentes , algo da ordem de 10Hz... No seu funciona ok? Você tem certeza que está usando o alsa e não o driver fornecido pela pcchips? (Desculpe a pergunta idiota :) ) No caso do driver da pcchips tem um switch do modulo que liga o áudio do modem. Eu ainda não pus este driver para funcionar, mas pretendo para testar alguns software que implementariam uma URA que vi por aí. Me confirme sua versão do alsa, plz. Não vejo a hora de ligarem pra casa e ouvirem: Se você quer falar com Eduardo Maçan disque 1, se você tem algo importante para dizer disque 2, e se voce não tem, por favor desligue imediatamente! :) Abração! --macan
Re: FTP trought firewall (inverse)
ftp is a horrible protocol to try to firewall because of all the ports it uses, i suggest using the package 'iptraf' to see what ports are being used when you connect to it. there are 2 modes of ftp, passive and active. Switch your ftp client to PASSIVE mode and it should work(i just tried it) using unix ftp just type 'passive'. To get active mode working you will have to forward thousands of ports most likely as i believe it uses a random port above 1024. You can also try to find a ftp server that forces the client into passive mode if you have users that won't know how to use passive. IMO though, ftp is insecure and i reccomend using SSH w/scp to transfer files(it encrypts both the login and the data). FTP RFC: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/rfc/rfc0959.txt nate Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: Hi all, I have a box acting a firewall and forwarded 20 and 21 ports to inside. I can ftp to FIREWALL but can do ls and transfer dirs or files. I load ipmasq_ftp and ipmasq_portfw modules, but no way. ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $FIREWALL 20 -R $INTERNAL 20 ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $FIREWALL 21 -R $INTERNAL 21 Any help is apreciated. Thanks, Paulo Henrique -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
color in Emacs
I would like to get some color in emacs, from checking the emacs ng it looks like .Xdefaults entries are the way to go, but I don't have an .Xdefaults file, just .xsession. Could someone post the 'color' portion of their .emacs file or point me in the right direction? thanks -- Make voyages, attempt them, there's nothing else. --Tennessee Williams
Re: Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
I worked with one of these recently it was a pain in the ass :) I believe the proper way to load the module was to first load the 8390 module first. the mandrake box i was working with did not have the proper dependency information for this module so modprobe wouldn't auto-load 8390. so..try insmod 8390 insmod ne2k-pci should work :) nate Bob Nielsen wrote: For what it's worth, I am running one of these cards with the driver compiled into 2.2.16, rather than as a module. Here's a snippet from dmesg: ne2k-pci.c:vpre-1.00e 5/27/99 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/ne2k-pci.html ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'RealTek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xe800, IRQ 10. eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0xe800, IRQ 10, 52:54:00:E6:65:FB. Bob On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:33:45PM +0200, Vitux wrote: Trying to build a tiny lan here... Recompile fresh 2.2.16 with the ne2k-pci driver as module. No signs of nic when booting, insmod ne2k-pci.o gives me unresolved symbols-error, and ifconfig -yadayada gives me error to the effect that there's no hardware to configure. So the question is: to nic or not to nic? I've determined that the kmod-bit works (all the other modules are inserted automagically on request), and little lights are shining from nic and hub. Is there any other voodoo I have to do to get the card recognised/ installed/ configured/ whatever? It said in a howto somewhere (I forget which, I've pored over so many of'em lately;-), that the Realtek RTL8029 is a NE2000-clone, and so should use the driver for same... Right?! Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation
From: Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 19 2000, John Ackermann wrote: I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a big help. All packages *do* already have such files. Documentation files for package package are intended to be in the /usr/share/doc/package directory. ... If a given package doesn't do this, then this particular package has a bug (but not the Distribution as a whole). Frankly, this is a pretty standard thing and many people would want it. Why would you think the packages don't have such an important feature? Why? Because of all the times I've needed such information and it wasn't there or was hard to find. Some packages don't have a documentation directory at all. Some others do but their files are so scrambled that you can't tell which are current, which are obsolete (because of, e.g., Debian clean-up of how the package works), etc., without reading each file. Look, all I'm asking for is basic starting-point documentation (a brief mention of what you might want to do with the package, and pointers to existing documentation on how to configure and use it) in a standard place (a known file name to look for in /usr/share/doc/package/). PLEASE remember what changes, especially for the user installing the software, between building and installing from source tarballs vs. installing distribution packages: When building from source, you have a README file with build and installation instructions (because it's obvious enough to authors that users need a README file to know how to build and install the software easily). Installation includes configuration, so that's usually mentioned in the README file. Installation README files typically conclude with pointers to what you can do with the software (e.g., now you should be able to run the xyz command) and documentation (e.g., for more details see 'man pdq.conf). The main thing is that at the point right after you've installed the software, you aren't left hanging; you've been following some script, and it usually winds down with pointers to what to do next. (Even it doesn't, it typically started with some orientation to what the software is in the first place.) When you install a package, on the other hand, building and installation are already handled, so, of course, you don't need the building and installation parts of a traditional README file. However, the nothing in the package installation system handles pointing the user to what can be done next with the just-installed software. Therefore, packages still need to provide the orientation or what-to-do-next part of a traditional README file. Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all. Source tarballs usually provide the primary README file in a known or clearly recognizable place (./README or ./INSTALL). The user knows where to look, and can distinguish that file from others lying around the same directory (wasting much time figuring out which is which). Packaged software should also provide its primary README file in a known place. We do have directory /usr/share/doc/package/ (well, for some packages), but there doesn't seem to be a standard file name for the primary README file so you can recognize it without wading through the various files that might be in that directory. (Maybe that standard file name is supposed to be README.Debian, but that certainly isn't there reliably (e.g., its exists only 71 of the 216 package installed here). Several of those files _do_ point to configuration or explain what's different on Debian, but others do not.) Not that I want to hold up anything on MS Windows as positive, but think about how a typical(?) installer works: After installing its software, it leaves the Start Menu subfolder open (to tell you what applications or utilities you can run), and opens the read-me file. Instead of simply exiting after installation and leaving you hanging, wondering what new applications or utilities you can invoke, it gives you a(n admittedly crude) pointer to those programs (the Start Menu subfolder), and also gives you a starting point (the read-me file) for using the software. I'm certainly not saying that Debian should use those methods or anything close (besides, they wouldn't work for installing multiple packages at once); I'm just pointing out that those installers don't leave the user hanging after installation. Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hmm. A little worrisome: http://www.junkbusters.com/cgi-bin/privacy http://www.anonymizer.com/snoop.cgi )
Re: Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
Actually, I have no problems with a realtek 8029 card; however, I always re-compile the kernel after I get the thing on; that usually gets rid of the unresolved symbols problem... In fact, with all the kernel module(s) I've used, re-compiling the kernel from scratch (including the modules) typically removes all unresolved symbols problems. So, you might want to try that... As for myself, I typically compile in ne2k-pci into the kernel, rather than as a module; but I must admit I've never had any trouble with it as a module, either. Hope I can be helpful... as I have been using a RealTek 8029-based PCI network card for around 2 years now, with all kinds of kernel versons (yours included, no doubt), I'll be glad to help in any way I can... Troy Nate Amsden wrote: I worked with one of these recently it was a pain in the ass :) I believe the proper way to load the module was to first load the 8390 module first. the mandrake box i was working with did not have the proper dependency information for this module so modprobe wouldn't auto-load 8390. so..try insmod 8390 insmod ne2k-pci should work :) nate Bob Nielsen wrote: For what it's worth, I am running one of these cards with the driver compiled into 2.2.16, rather than as a module. Here's a snippet from dmesg: ne2k-pci.c:vpre-1.00e 5/27/99 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/ne2k-pci.html ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'RealTek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xe800, IRQ 10. eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0xe800, IRQ 10, 52:54:00:E6:65:FB. Bob On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:33:45PM +0200, Vitux wrote: Trying to build a tiny lan here... Recompile fresh 2.2.16 with the ne2k-pci driver as module. No signs of nic when booting, insmod ne2k-pci.o gives me unresolved symbols-error, and ifconfig -yadayada gives me error to the effect that there's no hardware to configure. So the question is: to nic or not to nic? I've determined that the kmod-bit works (all the other modules are inserted automagically on request), and little lights are shining from nic and hub. Is there any other voodoo I have to do to get the card recognised/ installed/ configured/ whatever? It said in a howto somewhere (I forget which, I've pored over so many of'em lately;-), that the Realtek RTL8029 is a NE2000-clone, and so should use the driver for same... Right?! Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I am pondering? Pinky: I think so brain, but if we were meant to fly, wouldn't we have been born with a bag of peanuts?
Re: We need a Search Engine! Was: We need a FAQ.
I'm sure they could, maybe they just don't know about it(if it weren't for sendmail.org i wouldnt know about it either) nate John Griffiths wrote: so debian.org coudn't build that string into a search form? At 08:47 PM 8/22/2000 -0700, Nate Amsden wrote: you can still search the mail archives and packages, i never knew you could search the www site in the first place :) never needed to. if you want to search, you can go to altavista and for a search string: +host:www.debian.org search_string_here that will restrict searches to debian's website ..works well(got the idea from www.sendmail.org) nate montefin wrote: Hi all, Back in April, 2000, I decided to adopt Debian for my firewall. Over SuSE. Over FreeBSD. Over OpenBSD. And, my God yes, over Red Hat! This list has proven to be The_Only_Source_Of_Good_Debian_Input. But, it has an enormously high volume, which it needn't have. Why? When every other site worth a damn has a basic, simple, clear-up-the-obvious, Search Engine, http://www.debian.org/search complains it has not found a Search Engine worthy of itself. Not found a Search Engine worthy of itself!?!! With the Best-Of-The-Best developing for Debian? Give me a break! Even I could write one from what I've learned from this list! Put an even so-so Search Engine at http://www.debian.org/search and you will see the traffic and inanity (including my own) on this list plummet! Well, if I were really hot about this issue I would go on and on, but... ...thank you for listening and for your patience with, montefin s. keeling wrote: On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:39:59PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: s. keeling wrote: In that spirit, I'd like to suggest that this list needs a FAQ list. You have a faq. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ This one is useful. I've seen it before, but lost it long ago, thanks. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null WARNING - This email is confidential and may contain copyright material. If you are not the intended recipient of Capital Monitor's original e-mail, please notify me by return e-mail, delete your copy of the message, and accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused. Republication or re-dissemination, including posting to news groups or web pages, is strictly prohibited without the express prior consent of Capital Monitor Pty Ltd. John Griffiths Tel 02 6273 4899 Capital Monitor Pty Ltd Fax 02 6273 4905 Press Gallery Mobile: 0412 690 643 Parliament Housee-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Canberra ACT 2600 http://www.capmon.com Australia ICQ No: 7933859 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems installing
I had a very bad experience with cheapbytes(cheapshit) cdroms of debian 2.1 they were full of curropted packages. On the other hand i would suggest getting cds from www.linuxmall.com *I* havent had any bad experiences with them (yet). Another option is to download the rescue disk and base install disks from the ftp site to install the kernel/base off the floppy then try to install the rest from cd. linuxmall.com has good prices, typically each cd is $2 or $3. not sure if they have debian 2.2 yet i wouldnt be suprised if it takes another couple weeks. nate Ray Percival wrote: I'm trying to install 2.2 off of a set of CDs from cheapbytes. It is the official image. I get to where it wants to install the kernel. I tell it to install off of the cd it mounts the cd. I have checked that it is mounted in the other terminal I have also mounted it by hand and used the mounted option. I then point it to . Let it try to find the path it pulls up a path that looks good and then grinds away for a bit then asks for a rescue floppy :) I've tried several different paths and have double checked that the CD is mounted. That is as far as I got before I fell asleep :). Any ideas hints pointers? Thanks all very much. Ray -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:12:47AM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Why? Because of all the times I've needed such information and it wasn't there or was hard to find. What's insufficient about dpkg -L package? (Or, if you've forgotten why you wanted to install the package, dpkg -s package to look at the description again) Some packages don't have a documentation directory at all. Erm. Every package must have /usr/doc/package/copyright (or /usr/share/doc/package/copyright. Which ones don't? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/ I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``We reject: kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and working code.'' -- Dave Clark pgpwdRm0N4MO4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: re-compilation Trouble
please include _full output_ from make. from the prompt where you typed make modules_install to when you get a new prompt. or is that it? usually there is at least 3-4-5 lines of output. also make sure you are root when doing make modules_install as it writes to /lib/modules nate Carlos Stephen wrote: I configured to accommodate IP Masqarading the Fernel and saved it in a different file. I was able to execute the following commands. Make def: Make clean: Make zimage: make modules: But when I executed make modules_install I was presented with the following error message. Make:***[_dir_drivers]Error2 Please help Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation
On 22-Aug-00, 23:12 (CDT), Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some packages don't have a documentation directory at all. Then they are in violation of the Debian policy. Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Some others do but their files are so scrambled that you can't tell which are current, which are obsolete (because of, e.g., Debian clean-up of how the package works), etc., without reading each file. It is not the maintainer's job to keep a packages upstream documentation up-to-date. Sorry, but that's the way it is. If the maintainer does something to the package obsoletes or otherwise breaks the upstream documentation, then that info *should* be in changelog.Debian.gz, if nowhere else. PLEASE remember what changes, especially for the user installing the software, between building and installing from source tarballs vs. installing distribution packages: [snip description of README, etc.] If that information is provided by the upstream package, then it should be included in the doc directory, under the same name. Policy specifically allows for build and installation instructions to be omitted, but other materials should be included. That they are not is a bug in the package, not in policy. Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all. ls -l /usr/doc/foo dpkg -L foo |grep bin dpkg -L foo |grep man dpkg -L foo |grep info works for *every* package. (Yes, I know it would be more efficient to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the reader.) We do have directory /usr/share/doc/package/ (well, for some packages), You're looking in the wrong place -- we haven't completed the transition to /usr/share/doc yet -- the canonical place is /usr/doc. Look, I share some of your frustrations. But the problem is with individual packages not included the upstream materials, or the lack of upstream materials. If a maintainer chooses to augment what's upstream that's great. Writing a policy requirement for such is not. Steve
Re: Kernel compile error
there is more to this error then just the below, please include the full output, include the previous, 35 lines if possible. chances are it is something you enabled but is broken, to find out what it is i need the full output. also what version of gcc are you using ? to output make to a logfile: make bzImage kernel.log nate JP Sartre wrote: Hi guys.. I got a strange error when attempting to recompile my kernel today. I was able to compile it yesterday, so I'm not sure why it is choking today. Anyhow, here's the output: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.17/include/linux/kernel_stat.h:47: for each function it appears in.) make[2]: *** [ksyms.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.17/kernel' make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.17/kernel' make: *** [_dir_kernel] Error 2 Any ideas what I'm missing? Could it be something I selected in the config? Thanks for any help you can provide. JP -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: color in Emacs
This is from my .Xdefaults (you can make it if you want to..it makes no difference): XEmacs*Background: White XEmacs*Foreground: Black After you make the file, usexrdb -merge .Xdefaults to put it into the X. Then start emacs. Andrei First there was Explorer. Then came Expedition. This summer coming to a street near you.. Ford Exterminator. - Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://arshes.dyndns.org UIN 12402354 For GPG key, go to above URL/GnuPG -
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:21:53PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:21:15PM -0700, brian moore wrote: Note that the filtering is done by fetchmail. If you don't want filters, then don't specify that portion of the command line. Which proves my point that you need to filter from a single source. Completely stupid. Huh? From a single source? No, unless you say one fetchmail process is a single source. If you want to run 30 invocations of fetchmail for no reason, I guess you could, but I fail to see why one single source is relevant. Note that in my example (if you had bothered to read it), you would have seen that ~/.procmailrc was irrelevant. Each pop3 mailbox had its own (optional) procmailrc. 3) Procmail, which will easily organize your email into whatever structure you see fit, with plenty of folders and subfolders for... Well, you need a local delivery agent. I guess you could use 'cat', but since it doesn't handle file locking, it would be silly. No, you don't. Later in your message you get pissy that I don't learn the tools yet here you are telling me I need an MDA when Exim does that just fine? Oy. You mean exim doesn't have an MDA? How does mail get into your mailbox? Or do you mean exim comes with its own MDA. There is a HUGE difference. Only because you insist on being difficult. It amazes me that in the three years I've seen you whining about how all mail clients are unworthy of you, you haven't actually bothered to figure out how to adapt them to your needs. *I* am being difficult? I find it amazing that I have a set of tools that works perfectly on other platforms yet when I come here and am told to do everything the hardest way possible that *I* am the one being difficult! Come off it, mail, as it stands, is the one being difficult! No, the hardest way for you, at best. I find it quite easy to deal with, and it works great for an insane amount of mail. How insane? You do the math: [mailhost:~] 9:38:34pm 53 % head /var/mail/b/e/bem/inbox | grep X-IMAP X-IMAP: 0943303633 419781 The above configuration works just fine for dealing with multiple identities and settings. No, it does /NOT/. It amazes me than in the three years you've been reading me you still don't get it and STILL cannot come up with an acceptable answer. Yes it does. Are you telling me that my mail configuration doesn't work? How the hell did I get this mail? Am I just talking to the wall? (I may as well, be, but that's a different matter.) Source speaks, not screen shots. Point was that people are stating they don't know what I want when I am providing functional examples. You have done no such thing. Look at this picture! is hardly a functional example. It's not even a bloody mockup. I'm -not- about to defile a system and pay for Windows to see what -you- want in a mail client. If you don't like the way any mail client works, take the source and make it work the way you want. -That- is what GNU/Linux is about. No, that is /PART/ of what it is about. That is not /ALL/ that it is about. As stated a lot of people don't code. You have a VERY elitist attitude when it is simply, Do it the hard way or fuck you, learn to code. Well, quite frankly, whiney sods saying Write code my way or I will continue to use Windows for mail! aren't likely to make me care. -You- have a very arrogant attitude, insisting that YOUR way is right and fuck you if you don't agree with me! Ever considered that since you've managed to baffle half the people you whine at about your requirements, that your presentation is, um, lacking or, perhaps more precisely, incoherent? Why not sit down and write how you want mail to work. Do it in more than four paragraphs, and define your terms: many are loaded. (What, precisely, is a 'mailbox'? How does it differ from a 'mail folder'? What is its relation to an email address?) For many people, we have a multitude of mailboxes and addresses, yet we are able to make mail work just fine... even if you tell us we're imagining it. -- Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor. Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day. Netscum, Bane of Elves.
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:47:49PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: So go ahead, start a sourceforge project page, and write a damn clone. Go look on Sourceforge in the email clients and notice what the first one /is/. The first one is acmemail (and it's not what we are talking about here). Stop being a smartass, if you have a project, just give us a link. If you YOURSELF do not, then fine. There are dozens of email projects, 55 at least, and I'm not going to look thru them all. Not to mention Evolution and others that aren't there Brian and I said the same thing, and you complained in the answer to him that GNU/Linux isn't just about coding. You are right, it's also about particpating in the process. This means doing things like using betas and giving feedback, writing documentation, and much more. Complaining on the debian-user list is NOT part of that process Right now, if you aren't a coder, and aren't willing to learn, then go give feedback on a list that at least _matters_ to what you are complaining about. Go bother the Evolution guys... they have a mailing list, where at least you can have the honor of being flamed by the likes of Miguel and Jamie. You have gotten lots of answers to this, but I'm going to say it one more time: Fine, none of the existing _Linux_ programs do what you want _exactly_. This means nobody has felt the same itch as you, or has, but hasn't taken the self-responsibility to fix. Fixing it can mean a lot of things. Heck, put up money offering for someone else to write it... Sponsorship is a form of self-responsibility. If you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. And right now, people are wasting time trying to answer you, instead of doing more productive things. plonk Seth
Re: Problems installing
I was finally able to overcome the problem the floppy images suck. I just ended up doing a ftp install. Now my problem is with x. when it tries to detect my card it can't see my agp tnt2. I choose to install x. I tell it yes. downloads. Starts to install asks if I want to set up the config file. At this point if I tell it yes it fails. If I tell it no will it install x and then let me run xf86config later? Also should I be concered that it can't see my card or is this just a fluke and if i point it to it should it be able to see it. Thanks all. Ray -- Original Message -- From: Nate Amsden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:30:39 -0700 I had a very bad experience with cheapbytes(cheapshit) cdroms of debian 2.1 they were full of curropted packages. On the other hand i would suggest getting cds from www.linuxmall.com *I* havent had any bad experiences with them (yet). Another option is to download the rescue disk and base install disks from the ftp site to install the kernel/base off the floppy then try to install the rest from cd. linuxmall.com has good prices, typically each cd is $2 or $3. not sure if they have debian 2.2 yet i wouldnt be suprised if it takes another couple weeks. nate Ray Percival wrote: I'm trying to install 2.2 off of a set of CDs from cheapbytes. It is the official image. I get to where it wants to install the kernel. I tell it to install off of the cd it mounts the cd. I have checked that it is mounted in the other terminal I have also mounted it by hand and used the mounted option. I then point it to . Let it try to find the path it pulls up a path that looks good and then grinds away for a bit then asks for a rescue floppy :) I've tried several different paths and have double checked that the CD is mounted. That is as far as I got before I fell asleep :). Any ideas hints pointers? Thanks all very much. Ray -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: FTP trought firewall (inverse)
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:03:59PM -0700, Nate Amsden wrote: ftp is a horrible protocol to try to firewall because of all the ports it uses, i suggest using the package 'iptraf' to see what ports are being used when you connect to it. there are 2 modes of ftp, passive and active. Switch your ftp client to PASSIVE mode and it should work(i just tried it) using unix ftp just type 'passive'. To get active mode unfortunatly i think there are some lame servers that do not support PASV but i think they are becoming more rare.. working you will have to forward thousands of ports most likely as i believe it uses a random port above 1024. You can also try to find a ftp server that forces the client into passive mode if you have users that won't know how to use passive. IMO though, ftp is insecure and i reccomend using SSH w/scp to transfer files(it encrypts both the login and the data). heh, i have gotten into a flamewar several times with someone i know in irc conversations about the merits of scp over ftp, the problem is he is a MacOS user who maintaines web sites, he uses a MacOS ftp program called Anarchie to upload the site. he refuses to consider using scp instead since it is not `drag and drop' there are also pesky windows lusers who use basically the same excuse. trying to force scp on these people would result in a lynching of the sysadmin ;-) and yes i am aware of various kludges to enable ftplike attributes to scp, the problem is those won't work with the specific ftp clients (Anarchie) that these users demand to use. even sslized ftp is not an option since these clients of course don't support that either... so the way i see it we as sysadmins are not going to be able to kill and bury ftp until there is a sftp implementation that is Free (speech) and the popular ftp clients support that protocol (read Anarchie on MacOS and whatever it is Win* lusers insist on) /me who wants the OpenBSD guys to add a fourth grave for ftp to the OpenSSH t-shirt. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpFAF1kx7DYa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ISP server assigned nameserver addressing - how?
in 99.9% of cases you do not have to use your ISP's DNS. you can use any DNS(use mine if you want 209.102.24.193 194) to find an ISP's numeric DNS i would suggest using WHOIS, or dig. dig domainname.com whois domainname.com both will give u numeric DNS settings for the domain. nate Phillip Deackes wrote: I have always added my ISP's nameservers address to /etc/resolv.conf and have found that most ISPs tend to specify that you should set up Windows DUN for server assigned DNS addresses. On occasions I have found it very difficult to get hold of actual numeric addresses. Can nameserver addresses be otained dynamically with Linux? All the documentation I have read points to physically adding the address to /etc/resolv.conf I use ISDN and have upgraded to Woody. -- Phillip Deackes Using Storm Linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get won't play
just a FYI, about a week or 2 ago, the stable branch changed to 2.2 so
you were actually trying to go from 2.0 - 2.2.
nate
Nick Cook wrote:
FWIW, I fixed my apt-get problem by following the old adage: when in
doubt, blow it out.
I purged apt from my system, manually ftp'ed (if that's a verb!) apt from
the slink/admin directory, and re-installed via dpkg.
Apt-get now goes online, gets the potato stable lists with no problem, and
starts the upgrade process ('tho I didn't continue 'cause the time
estimate was 19 hours!).
- Nick
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Re: Upgrade from potato to woody?
montefin wrote: I avoided some problems by doing: apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade Can U please elaborate on this ? Can U pipe this to get some sort of a log ? Tnx for this nifty point..real good !! -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux
Re: xfree86 development package
John L. Fjellstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 03:11:18AM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: I'm trying to compile and install knapster. Unfortunately, it needs the xfree86 header files. Anyone know which package these files are in? xlib6g-dev Are you sure that is all I need. I have it installed (according to dpkg --list), and all I can find in /usr/include/X11 is two directories bitmaps, and pixmaps. Shouldn't there be some header files there too? Look at the output of `dpkg -L xlib6g-dev' to see what it installs. I grep'ed for *.h files and counted 213 of them. Note that most are in /usr/X11R6/include/X11. -- Olaf Meeuwissen Epson Kowa Corporation, Research and Development
Re: ISP server assigned nameserver addressing - how?
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:23:02 PDT, Nate Amsden writes: in 99.9% of cases you do not have to use your ISP's DNS. you can use any DNS(use mine if you want 209.102.24.193 194) to find an ISP's numeric DNS i would suggest using WHOIS, or dig. But using further away DNS´s _will_ affect your browsing speed, eg if netscape wants to connect to a page with lots o banners or otherwise linked other sites there´s easily 20-30 dns-lookups per page, and netscape does them one after one, so there are seconds lost sometimes before netscape even gets the the whole page html-wise... rw -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien /
Re: We really need a FAQ!
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 07:46:11PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:16:08PM -0500, Will Trillich wrote: On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:51:45PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: Here's my first cut of questions that ought to be in a debian-users FAQ: if only someone had this started up when i was getting As you no doubt have seen from the list, they did. I'd lost track of it long ago (http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/), but it was helpful when I saw it. It does need more promotion on debian-users though. i've known about the current faq... i get the impression someone got off to a good start with a 'user-centric' approach, and then got lost in the quagmire of 'structure it the way the developers think about it'. i have no truck with any of its contents; it's just not conducive to a newbie, who's looking for an answer to a certain question or issue, to learn what she needs to learn. Lots of your items were good ones, and we should see if they can be incorporated, or if they need to be (I've no idea how current the original version is; have to go over it again). one thing's for certain -- the FOM (faq-o-matic) is wy out of date. (how to upgrade to hamm, for example.) I'll keep following this thread and decide what to do about it in a few days. i'd love to see some activity from the general user community on this issue. the official web and documentation folks are quite busy, and i think we'd have a better shot at gearing it towards 'the newbies we were last month' than they would, anyway...
Re: tetex slink - potato
On 22 Aug 2000, paul tanner wrote: After the upgrade I can't use the extra stuff that I had in /usr/local/lib/texmf. After examining a copy of my old slink installation I found the ``local'' link in texmf/ and in /usr/share/texmf I added: ln -s /usr/local/share/texmf local and moved my local stuff to: /usr/local/share/texmf and did the rehash in texconfig. Now my local files are listed in ls-R but TeX don't find them when working on a doc containing: \input [file] . I'm testing with document sources that worked OK in my old slink version. Where have I gone wrong? Paul Tanner Have you run texhash? Also, cd /tmp and then do: initex latex.ltm (ignore any messages about sources being more than one year old). Then copy latex.fmt to /var/lib/texmf/web2c I had to do the above to make my local tex files work. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.1 (Windows-free zone) Book Reviews: http://www.cix.co.uk/~acampbell/bookreviews/ Skeptical articles: http://www.cix.co.uk/~acampbell/freethinker/ To be forced by desire into any unwarrantable belief is a calamity. I.A. Richards
net install of staroffice 5.2
hi all, this is not debian specific, but maybe somebody can help me. i'm trying to install staroffice 5.2 using the 'net' switch, so every user doesn't need to install his/her own copy of staroffice. i already did it successfully with so 5.1, but i'm unable to do that with 5.2. sun gives you a whole .bin file. by executing that file you start installation .. but there's no way of passing the /net switch. without switch, it installs the one-user only. reading the docs from sun doesn't help much .. they refer to a setup script, which doesn't exist before running the .bin file, and that doesn't do anything after: it just gives you option to repair/uninstall/modify, but not to reinstall. so if anybody knows if there's anything i can try .. TIA Marco Frattola (Pianificazione processi) - Cubecom S.p.A. Via de Marini,1 3 piano Torre WTC 16149 GENOVA tel. 010 6591184
Re: xfree86 development package
John L. Fjellstad wrote: On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 12:39:14PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: ~$ dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/include/X11/X.h xlib6g-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/X.h You were just looking in the wrong place. You know what? My bad. You wrote xlib6g-dev, and I read it as xlib6g, which I did have install. Sorry:*( At least I learned a new command, dpkg -S. Very useful. Been wondering how to get a list of files in a package. to list files in a package, use dpkg -L packagename also quite useful :) nate -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Win98 won't shutdown after Linux install
When i get something like that, and it pisses me off for long enough i reinstall win98. note i ditched win9* a long time ago, because of such errors :) haven't had to reinstall a linux box(ever). win9x had me reinstalling 3-4 times a year minimum. nate Jonathan Neufeld wrote: I'm a casual user of Linux and have some familiarity with several distributions. I recently bought a new computer and installed Win98 first, then paritioned the drive (using DiskDrake during a Mandrake install) and installed several distributions, including Debian 2.2 and Storm. Since partitioning my drive, Win98 has refused to shut down cleanly and has given me the error WINDOWS: A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028:C00051EF in VXD VMM(01) + 41EF. The current application will be terminated. After pressing any key, the screen reverts to a blank green background with the mouse pointer in the middle, but the machine is totally unresponsive. I have to do a hard boot to get things going again. None of my Linux install are affected, and after cleaning itself up, Win98 seems fine, too. I realize this is NOT a M$ support list. But I thought I might find a kind soul here who has dealt with this problem or could refer me to the right group. Thanks for any help offered. Jonathan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SpeedStream 4060 DSL modem
Doesn't look like it's supported, at least not officially yet: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevices.php3?id=14 nate David Karlin wrote: Hello, I'm converting a win98 system into a potato masq-box for a small office. It is connected to the Internet via DSL with a SpeedStream 4060 DSL modem which connects to the host machine via USB. Is this supported by Debian? Has anyone [successfully] used the SpeedStream 4060 with Debian? Please reply to me directly. TIA. -- David Karlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Debian GNU/Linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems installing
Yes, i usually choose NO when prompted to set up X during installation that is something i usually do after installation is complete. Debian 2.2 has this really neat tool called anXious, part of the 'xvidetect' package. it works quite well for modern video cards. You can also use xf86config, or XF86Setup. nate Ray Percival wrote: I was finally able to overcome the problem the floppy images suck. I just ended up doing a ftp install. Now my problem is with x. when it tries to detect my card it can't see my agp tnt2. I choose to install x. I tell it yes. downloads. Starts to install asks if I want to set up the config file. At this point if I tell it yes it fails. If I tell it no will it install x and then let me run xf86config later? Also should I be concered that it can't see my card or is this just a fluke and if i point it to it should it be able to see it. Thanks all. Ray -- Original Message -- From: Nate Amsden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:30:39 -0700 I had a very bad experience with cheapbytes(cheapshit) cdroms of debian 2.1 they were full of curropted packages. On the other hand i would suggest getting cds from www.linuxmall.com *I* havent had any bad experiences with them (yet). Another option is to download the rescue disk and base install disks from the ftp site to install the kernel/base off the floppy then try to install the rest from cd. linuxmall.com has good prices, typically each cd is $2 or $3. not sure if they have debian 2.2 yet i wouldnt be suprised if it takes another couple weeks. nate Ray Percival wrote: I'm trying to install 2.2 off of a set of CDs from cheapbytes. It is the official image. I get to where it wants to install the kernel. I tell it to install off of the cd it mounts the cd. I have checked that it is mounted in the other terminal I have also mounted it by hand and used the mounted option. I then point it to . Let it try to find the path it pulls up a path that looks good and then grinds away for a bit then asks for a rescue floppy :) I've tried several different paths and have double checked that the CD is mounted. That is as far as I got before I fell asleep :). Any ideas hints pointers? Thanks all very much. Ray -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gnome install
Hi all, I address the following questions to this mailing list because I do not know yet if they are specific to Debian implementation I finally reach to install gnome with Enlightenment as wm with the last distribution package (2.2 rev0) on my linux box with a Intel pentium III and 128Mb ram. I met two different kind of problems: first with gnome-moz?-remote ... which failed because: /dev/dsp no such device exit code (-1) ... but ls -l /dev/dsp shows me well a character device with major number 14 and minor 3 as build with MAKEDEV -rw-rw access right for root audio? I then rebuild the kernel with all audio device option (even thought I have no sound devices but the build in 'buser') but no dsp module seems to be add. After the reboot with new kernel (after the usual make modules and make modules_install), I still have the same error. (It seems also that screensaver meet the same problem). Do I have to install additional audio package (without sound device)? second netscape-remote (from netscape-base-4) failed because: could not open display :0 ? Any suggestion? Thanks in advance for advises? Joel
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:53:43PM -0700, brian moore wrote: Huh? From a single source? Yes, a single source. Fetchmail. Note that in my example (if you had bothered to read it), you would have seen that ~/.procmailrc was irrelevant. Each pop3 mailbox had its own (optional) procmailrc. I fail to see how you cannot understand that my position of having to filter from a single source is a problem by pointing out... I can filter! You mean exim doesn't have an MDA? How does mail get into your mailbox? Or do you mean exim comes with its own MDA. There is a HUGE difference. Exim /IS/ an MDA. It doesn't come with an MDA, it fills that role. How insane? You do the math: That doesn't tell me jack nor does it state how many accounts you have. I have stated quite a but that the system, as proposed, is fine for a /single/ account but breaks down after that. Yes it does. Are you telling me that my mail configuration doesn't work? How the hell did I get this mail? Am I just talking to the wall? (I may as well, be, but that's a different matter.) You have not solved simple issues like sending out the proper SMTP server, for example. /YOUR/ configuration is, IMHO, substandard to mine. It requires /LESS/. You have done no such thing. Look at this picture! is hardly a functional example. It's not even a bloody mockup. I'm -not- about to defile a system and pay for Windows to see what -you- want in a mail client. Oh jeez. C'mon, Brian. You've said you've been following me on this issue for three years and you are now stating that I have not once in that time ever described what was needed and why the current system fails? Get real! I have drawn charts showing problems, I have described it in detail, and if you looked at the bloody picture you'd understand what I was getting at because it is evident in that picture! Stop being willfully ignorant! Well, quite frankly, whiney sods saying Write code my way or I will continue to use Windows for mail! aren't likely to make me care. -You- have a very arrogant attitude, insisting that YOUR way is right and fuck you if you don't agree with me! I have not insisted. I have explained the differences, why the proposed system fails, what the current alternatives are, why certain parts do and do not work. That is more than just insisting and being difficult. For many people, we have a multitude of mailboxes and addresses, yet we are able to make mail work just fine... even if you tell us we're imagining it. Right, but you're doing it in a manner which can cause problems outside the technical ones, down the line. As I said, I have written volumes on this manner in many different forums going so far as to even make ASCII diagrams of the data flow, offer example programs (Don't want to run Windows, borrow a friend's system for 1/2 hour. Rumor has it that Windows is pretty easy to find on people's machines), places to find the information and even after all of that, when it is plain as day to most people that I talk to, you still want /more/? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: FTP trought firewall (inverse)
Ethan Benson wrote: heh, i have gotten into a flamewar several times with someone i know in irc conversations about the merits of scp over ftp, the problem is he is a MacOS user who maintaines web sites, he uses a MacOS ftp program called Anarchie to upload the site. he refuses to consider using scp instead since it is not `drag and drop' there are also pesky windows lusers who use basically the same excuse. trying to force scp on these people would result in a lynching of the sysadmin ;-) yeah, pretty screwed up. Most people don't realize the value of security until they are running a server and that server gets cracked.(happened to me in ~1998, i woke up pretty fast :)) ) There is a SCP dd front end for win* from www.vandyke.com BUT it only supports SSH2 for some reason:( not sure why ... so the way i see it we as sysadmins are not going to be able to kill and bury ftp until there is a sftp implementation that is Free (speech) and the popular ftp clients support that protocol (read Anarchie on MacOS and whatever it is Win* lusers insist on) yeah, also must do away with generic POP3, IMAP4, telnet, rlogin, etc ..i run a small isp with a couple hundred users and i hate having to allow them to login from remote(managed modem) to their POP3/ftp accounts..scares me: i installed IMAP4/SSL for those of whom wanted to access email securely. Of course UWIMAP4 is compiled with stackgaurd, and firewalled from everything except localhost, then have sslwrap listen on the imaps port and run a connection to localhost imap4, works real good(with netscape even). /me who wants the OpenBSD guys to add a fourth grave for ftp to the OpenSSH t-shirt. and all the other cleartext protocols..of course if we ditch all of em it will make diagnostics much harder! sigh..cant win. -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome install
I finally reach to install gnome with Enlightenment as wm with the last distribution package (2.2 rev0) on my linux box with a Intel pentium III and 128Mb ram. I met two different kind of problems: first with gnome-moz?-remote ... which failed because: /dev/dsp no such device exit code (-1) means you have not configured a sound device correctly or the sound device is unsupported. but ls -l /dev/dsp shows me well a character device with major number 14 and minor 3 as build with MAKEDEV -rw-rw access right for root audio? I then rebuild the kernel with all audio device option (even thought I have no sound devices but the build in 'buser') but no dsp module seems to be add. the /dev directory is just an interface to the drivers, just because there is an entry there does NOT mean that there is a device that the file can interface with. in this case, when gnome tries to access /dev/dsp it can't because there is no sound driver loaded. After the reboot with new kernel (after the usual make modules and make modules_install), I still have the same error. (It seems also that screensaver meet the same problem). Do I have to install additional audio package (without sound device)? you must configure your soundcard, what kind of soundcard is it? second netscape-remote (from netscape-base-4) failed because: could not open display :0 ? make sure you are running netscape as the same user you are logged in as, chances are you ran it as root after doing an 'su' in a terminal (that is a common thing to have happen) You CAN run apps under different userids but it takes a couple extra commands. nate -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1/2 ifconfig
cls-colo spgs wrote: debs, update: ifconfig -a gives me not only lp and ppp0, but it also give me eth0. for now i'd like to not have eth0. how do i not have it in the picture? ia, t. bentley taylor (potato on 2.2.16) man ifconfig hth Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: WOOHOO - the Potato is installed!
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:27:54AM +1000, John Griffiths wrote: At 04:19 PM 8/22/2000 -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: a) change the colour depth. do i need to re-run XF86Setup? or is there a better way? $ startx -- -bpp colordepth ...where color depth is 1, 8, 16, 24 (generally deprecated), 32. Or in /etc/X11/XF86Config, change the value of Depth under 'SubSection Display'. okies... thats what i wanted to know b) fix helix-gnome. I downloaded helix-gnome... on reboot i get the gnome login manager but an attempt to login to gnome makes the monitor go clunk and then returnms to the login manager... it will let me log into WMaker so its not the end of the world. Launch X from the command prompt (startx) and look at your error output. problem with the GDM starting itself up on boot... would linux 3 from lilo get me to a level i could then statx from? altF[1-12] should have the desired effect, where F[1-12] is one of the F-keys from F1 - F12. You can also generally disable gdm for the current session by issuing: /etc/init.d/gdm stop ...assuming you can get to a command line. I prefer *not* using an X display manager for local sessions, instead launching X with 'startx'. If you think about it, most of what a display manager does is guarantee you the requirment and overhead of running an X session when you *don't* need one, while introducing more opportunities to foul things up. c) sound i scavenged the sound card so make and model is a mystery... the Rhat sndconfig always used to sort it out for me... will alsaconf do the same? What were your RedHat configurations for this card? i have no clue.. it did it for me and it worked a lesson learned perhaps... Yeah. Generally, if you've got a funky bit of hardware and a working config in some manifestation that you plan on changing, find out what made it work before destroying the data. There are a number of sound configuration tools for Debian. You might try apropos sound or the Sound-HOWTO. Try some stuff and tell us how it breaks. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpAeftIlVr1p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Mouse Doesn't Work with X
Greetings all, I just installed my first copy of Linux. Problem: X starts fine. I can use ALT key combinations to get a pop up menu and select menu items. However, I can't use my mouse. That is, neither clicking nor moving the mouse has any effect. What I did: I confirmed that my mouse is, in fact, PS/2. I confirmed that my mouse is connected to the correct port. I boot Linux. I login-ed as root. I ran 'xf86config' and selected 'PS/2' as my mouse. I started X. Mouse doesn't work. :-( What I checked: A coworker helping me checked the boot log with 'dmesg'. We found a line that says Detected PS/2 Mouse Port. Sound like good news... We checked to see if the XF86Config file was written write. Sure enough, the mouse is PS/2. This looks good too... My plea: I don't know what the heck is going on here. What could be wrong? Can someone please help? If I've commited any Netiquette rudeness or some such, I apologize in advance. I'm new to this! :-) I think I've described the problem in sufficient detail; however, if I've left some important information out, then please tell me. I'll be more than happy to respond. Thanks, Peter
Re: Mouse Doesn't Work with X
this is the question i know the answer to! ps2 mice are at device psaux when you do the xf86setup you need to change /dev/mouse to /dev psaux then hit a for apply... i imagine a symlink between /dev/mouse and /dev/psaux might do the trick too? At 04:35 PM 8/23/2000 +0900, Peter Kim wrote: Greetings all, I just installed my first copy of Linux. Problem: X starts fine. I can use ALT key combinations to get a pop up menu and select menu items. However, I can't use my mouse. That is, neither clicking nor moving the mouse has any effect. What I did: I confirmed that my mouse is, in fact, PS/2. I confirmed that my mouse is connected to the correct port. I boot Linux. I login-ed as root. I ran 'xf86config' and selected 'PS/2' as my mouse. I started X. Mouse doesn't work. :-( What I checked: A coworker helping me checked the boot log with 'dmesg'. We found a line that says Detected PS/2 Mouse Port. Sound like good news... We checked to see if the XF86Config file was written write. Sure enough, the mouse is PS/2. This looks good too... My plea: I don't know what the heck is going on here. What could be wrong? Can someone please help? If I've commited any Netiquette rudeness or some such, I apologize in advance. I'm new to this! :-) I think I've described the problem in sufficient detail; however, if I've left some important information out, then please tell me. I'll be more than happy to respond. Thanks, Peter -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
HELP !
You can help me? In the Real one Player always the error leaves: The requested decodificador is not valid and I cannot do anything. Thanks, a greeting. Carlos -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. CARLOS ILLA CASANOVA http://personal3.iddeo.es/carlosilla MOIA (Barcelona) Spain E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax : 34.93.866 61 43 Sobre MOIA i el MOIANES: http://personal3.iddeo.es/carlosilla/cic4.html http://terra.es/personal/latosca -.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:56:11PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote: The first one is acmemail (and it's not what we are talking about here). My apologies. Ever since I started the project several months ago it was the first listed project. I had assumed it was still the case as it was the last time I checked a few days ago. AIMS Prototype. Stop being a smartass, if you have a project, just give us a link. I would if I had it but I do not. I have, however, mentioned that project once and clearly people missed it so I was trying to describe the location. If you YOURSELF do not, then fine. There are dozens of email projects, 55 at least, and I'm not going to look thru them all. Not to mention Evolution and others that aren't there You wouldn't have to since, quite frankly, since I indicated it was at the top maybe look at the 2-3 near the top would yield it. You know what, I just checked. I stated look at the first one in email clients. The first in email is Acmemail. The first in email clients, right where I said it was, is AIMS Prototype. Registered by greydmiyu. User info on greydmiyu shows the real name as Steve Lamb. I fail to see how look at the first one in email clients failed since it really is still first. This means doing things like using betas and giving feedback, writing documentation, and much more. Hmmm. Let's see. Member of the PMMail beta process on both OS/2 and Windows since it was pre v1.5 on only OS/2. Member of the The Bat! beta process for over a year now. I run and maintain the unoffical PMMail mailing list on my machine. You're right, it is about participation. It is also about knowing when to participate and when /NOT/ to. I don't participate in the Pegasus beta program, or the Outlook or Eudora beta programs because the basic design decisions they have made run contrary to what I believe is the correct way to do things when it comes to mail. I am well aware that I am not going to convince programmers to make a change to the basic way they do things. To that end I cannot change Evolution, or KMail, or XFMail, or mutt, pine, elm, et al. because all of those teams have made a basic design decision that I cannot alter. Complaining on the debian-user list is NOT part of that process Right now, if you aren't a coder, and aren't willing to learn, then go give feedback on a list that at least _matters_ to what you are complaining about. This list does matter. Every time someone says, I want something like this you know what the immediate knee-jerk reaction is? You don't want that. What you want to do is this. That is utter bullshit and you know it. So every time people ask for something quite specific I give them a very valid answer, It doesn't exist yet. I don't tell them that they don't want to do it the way they have been doing it for 5-10 years, I tell them it doesn't exist. I tell them the truth. In the process of telling them the truth I get people like you and Brian Moore and who knows how many others telling /me/ that I am wrong and I feel compelled to explain my position. Go bother the Evolution guys... they have a mailing list, where at least you can have the honor of being flamed by the likes of Miguel and Jamie. Why, they have made a design decision to be the Lookout! of Linux. That's fine, they can be that since there is a need for that. Why would I want to try to get them to change a basic design decision they have made. I don't agree with it so why waist their time and mine? So there is another part of the process. You know what that is? Admitting there is a problem. Something that you, Brian, and loads others cannot admit. That there is a problem in the current spectrum of how mail is handled, a whole that needs to be filled. Fine, none of the existing _Linux_ programs do what you want _exactly_. Not just me. PMMail2000 and The Bat! have a dubious disctinction between the two of them. They both have consistantly been rated #1 and #2 in polls of email clients. Not of Windows clients, of clients in general. They swap places lots of times and far outstrip the pack. They are constantly cited with how nicely they handle multiple mail accounts. That isn't just me, that is a LOT of people. This means nobody has felt the same itch as you, or has, but hasn't taken the self-responsibility to fix. Or that and the fact that they have been told the ONE TRUE WAY and have decided to go through the masochism of trying to mangle their mail into that form. Fixing it can mean a lot of things. Heck, put up money offering for someone else to write it... Sponsorship is a form of self-responsibility. Which I have done, witness the colorization of joe even though I no longer use joe. However I don't think $35 is going to be enough to cover the costs of development of a mail client to decent standards. I haven't been able to set aside the
Perl/Gtk/Gnome Linux Mail Client deb Package
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there Can someone help me with creating a debianized package of my Perl/Gtk/Gnome Mail Client? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6607 - -- with friendly regards jens luedicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Support the Theory of Evolution; 400 Billion Amphibians can't be wrong! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQA/AwUBOaOET6FxQTtRrRT1EQLRoQCg2HBdzVjsy462t5IEkmzNL7hdM/wAnArm 9TblnCwCNzeWZ3czkoWaELFR =AcRu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:36:14AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 07:21:38PM +0930, John Pearson wrote: .forward file allows you to filter your mail into any number of separate mailfolders at delivery time, based on a wide range of criteria including the contents of the headers. Now take it a step further, what do you do on the MUA (not mail client) side to address that? Well, that certainly indicates one reason why I'm having difficulty coming to grips with your requirement; we have a problem over terminology. I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are: MUA: mutt MDA: procmail MTA: exim Obviously, you mean something different to MUA to me (and, perhaps, others); what, in your view is an MUA if not a mail client? John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdt.net.au/~john Debian Linux admin support:technical services
Re: Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
No signs of nic when booting, insmod ne2k-pci.o gives me unresolved symbols-error, and ifconfig -yadayada gives me error to the effect that there's no hardware to configure. I have no idea why kmod doesn't insmod your modules automagically. But ne2k-pci depends on 8390 module; so try modprobe instead of insmod. I have Realtec8029 NIC right now in my computer; and ne2k-pci is compiled as a module. I've never had any problems with this NIC. -- Alexey Vyskubov (at home) Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:34:17AM -0700, brian moore wrote: And I fail to see how a single fetchmail process reading from n servers, with m mailboxes on each, and delivering each remote mailbox to some number greater than m boxes on your machine is anything but what you asked for. I fail to see that happening in any manner I found acceptable. You keep forgetting the MUA aspect where there is no concept of separate accounts. Exim /IS/ an MDA. It doesn't come with an MDA, it fills that role. No. Exim is an MTA. *sigh* Are you really that stupid, Brian? I mean, really? Read that sentence again. Did I say it wasn't an MTA? No. What did I say? I don't think it is that hard. I said it is an MDA, that it fills that role. If you actually pulled your head out of your butt long enough to read the documentation of Exim you would find that a separate MDA is /not/ needed with Exim because, this may sound like deja vu, it fills the role of an MDA. Put it another way it provides filters (in the .forward file) for people to dictate how they want their mail delivered in a similar manner to procmail. It doesn't need procmail. It doesn't need any separate MDA. IE, it is an MTA and an MDA which is entirely consistant with what I said above and what I have stated in the past. If you wish to refute this claim, please provide your reasonings. I'm eager to understand why you think it doesn't fill the MDA role. Again. the terms are loaded. I have -no- accounts. (Accounts are for, well, accounting, and I don't pay for them.) I have an infinite number of email addresses, of which maybe a dozen or two I use regularly. Don't play ignorant with me. This is getting tiring. Fine, if accounts are for accounting and you pay for all accounts then why do you have a root accounts on your box? And a nobody account. Oh, I guess that means you /ARE/ familiar with the term accounts separate of the billing processes of a business. Fine. A mail account, to me, is a separate set of folders, filters, and settings indpenedant of any other mail account. In fact, I have stated that several times. I fail to see how it is a loaded term when I have explained it numerous times. 'proper'? Um, why is my SMTP server not proper? Should I change smtp servers based on 'From:'? Goodness, that would be silly -- why on earth would I want to, when this machine is quite capable of handling mail itself. Because the assumption is that your machine can handle mail at all. It should not be a requirement to set up a local SMTP server to handle mail on a workstation. The MTA would be using a smart host setup. IE, blidnly forwarding all mail to another SMTP server. Well, why not have the client send to that server. That /is/ why it is client/server and why most clients can connect to multiple servers. Furthermore, I never said based on the From: line, that is the personalities paradigm which is flawed. Based on which mail account you're in. To use your logic why would I want my work mail to touch my SMTP server when my client is perfectly capable of connecting the work server and sending mail through it. Or, more to the point, the reverse. Why should I put personal mail through the work server when my client can contact my home server and have the mail go out from there. Ah, that brings up something you didn't think about, did it? Pushing home mail through work creates legal problems, doesn't it? Yes, it does, as some businesses have problems with non-work related mail travelling through their servers. Esp. at my work where there are corporate and public servers to choose from. I have to have control, at the mail account level, as described above, which SMTP server to it for a variety of legal and security reasons. Yes, your machine is technically capable of handling the mail but is it legally proper or the proper choice for security? It may be, for you. It often is not for me which is why stuffing all mail under a single mail account and splitting out on personalities (Eudora/Lookout! term and basically what mutt does) is not an option. Having separate local accounts for remote mailboxes is also absurd since that /should/ be handled internally to the client. IE, why should I create 10 local accounts and have to log in 10 times when it absolutely is not needed? Oh jeez. C'mon, Brian. You've said you've been following me on this issue for three years and you are now stating that I have not once in that time ever described what was needed and why the current system fails? Get real! I have drawn charts showing problems, I have described it in detail, and if you looked at the bloody picture you'd understand what I was getting at because it is evident in that picture! Stop being willfully ignorant! You haven't. We went around in circles on lusenet before about this. Uhm, I /have/. I distictly remember
Re: WOOHOO - the Potato is installed!
John Griffiths wrote: At 07:56 PM 8/22/2000 -0600, montefin wrote: ATTN: John Griffiths, You must report to Penn State immediately. By Penn State we do not mean Penn State, the honorable state university. We mean the Pennsylvania State Penitentiary. There, you must immediately identify yourself as an auto-incarcerant, guilty of Copyright Obfuscation, and serve five-to-ten years of your miserable life making newly rich Internet Moguls' vanity license plates. John, if I were you, when you knock at the prison door, wear nothing but a smile. But, John, not too big a smile. Ok? See you in five-to-ten years, montefin I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for, in my excitement, forgetting to turn off the default signature my employer demands i have on my mail. I do actually agree with the points joey made. whether new and stupid (as in me) debian users benefit from public bollockings on this sort of matter i do not know. i suppose it will be a while before i make that mistake again. John -- Never mind the bollocks, welcome to Potato. I'm still fighting my way thru my former-slink-now-potato-mess... Good Luck Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Printer Lexmark optra E310
Hello, I have been reading a lot of messages about printers lately. I am wondering what filter I should use for a Lexmark optra E310 printer. This is a postscript printer with 1 Mb of memory (I think). Greetings, Stefan Goeman
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:38:41AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: This list does matter. Every time someone says, I want something like this you know what the immediate knee-jerk reaction is? You don't want that. What you want to do is this. That is utter bullshit and you know it. /me is trying to stay out of the fray but can't resist this bait. I have to disagree. Strongly. There area great many things that people suggest as features or why doesn't it work this way, which have been tried, and either don't work, produce security holes, or introduce (generally unnecessary) complexity into the system. Not every request, but a great many of them. Let's face it, GNU/Linux *is* riding on 30 years of Unix design, and a lot of different ideas *have* been tried. Some succeed, many fail. This is a mature system. Peturbe it gently. One of my sayings in regards another software product which features a users ballot is beware of what others ask for, you may get it. Greeting suggestions with skepticism is IMO very healthy. It forces the person proposing the idea to think about what they're asking for and why they want to do something a particular way. It makes them look at existing tools and measure their true fit to the task. With sufficient bull-headedness, truely good (and even a few bad) ideas will rise beyond the I want something like this stage, and emerge as...Perl, exim, mutt, fetchmail, vim, wget, screen, VNC to name a few tools I find myself thankful for daily. OTHOH, violent negativism is bad. IMO the list has been more than tolerant of your wants, Steve, but my own patience is waning. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgprLpkkcepku.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 07:21:01PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: How would cron do something such as, emailing a file once and awhile, make the file empty, and wait until the next run, but not mail anything if it's empty. I've never done much with emailing besides piping echo to mail, but it's limited to one line. If you're looking for cron to do all of this, you're probably expecting too much. However, having cron launch a script hourly to test the file condition and perform an action is eminantly doable. This is essentially what a scheduled mail daemon does. Supposing every hour I want it to email me all the users that my friend requested to be created with a requser script. The script, with echo and read commands would give the user info to a file, when echoed and appended, but when the cat filename | mail root won't tell me what the mail is for, just a bunch of users and passwords. Wonder if cron could be used to just create the users, so I don't need my friend to have root access. I don't trust him with it as he doesn't know a real lot about linux, but he may want email addresses custom to what he chooses, or recreating stuff. For this purpose, you might want to look at 'sudo'. The man pages include examples of how to set up an account with privileges to create new userIDs. This is essentially what you're giving your friend rights to do via your cron script, though quite likely the cron job would entail greater security risks unless you plan to check for specific conditions of file ownership, read/write permissions, etc. You've authorized your friend to create user accounts but thrown in an arbitrary delay (the periodicity of the cron job) into the process. Better to use sudo, monitor your friend's activities while limiting his rootly powers, and be secure about it to boot. ...in an aside to Steve Lamb, this is an example of suggesting to a user that they may not actually want to know how to do what it is that they are asking for, but find out the proper tools for the job. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpv4MsuGBhnv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:37:05PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: Brent Harding wrote: How would cron do something such as, emailing a file once and awhile, make the file empty, and wait until the next run, but not mail anything if it's empty. I've never done much with emailing besides piping echo to mail, but it's limited to one line. What I would do is put all of the work into a shell script, and have cron call the shell script. Just off the top of my head, something like: #!/bin/sh if [ -s /path/to/file ] mail -s Here's_the_file [EMAIL PROTECTED] /path/to/file rm -f /path/to/file touch /path/to/file fi Mike: how are you planning on authenticating that the user actually created the file, that its permissions don't allow modification by others, and that there is nothing in the file which might cause a cron-initiated adduser script to crash, fail, overflow, or otherwise do Bad Things®? -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpSUZRLhQhMZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
color in Emacs
Hello, Putting something like this emacs*background:white emacs*foreground:black in the .Xdefault file is nice. But, does there exist a list of colors to choose from. For example, as background I used grey but I find it still to dark. Is there a way to get it brighter (without using background:white)? Greetings, Stefan Goeman.
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:21:58AM +0930, John Pearson wrote: Well, that certainly indicates one reason why I'm having difficulty coming to grips with your requirement; we have a problem over terminology. Actually, we don't. The problem is that people aren't willing to look past the terminology. For instance, your examples below have a flaw in them. I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are: MUA: mutt MDA: procmail MTA: exim MTA: Exim. Exim does not need an MDA as it fills that role as well. So it could be something like this: MUA: mutt MDA/MTA: exim Obviously, you mean something different to MUA to me (and, perhaps, others); what, in your view is an MUA if not a mail client? No, I mean exactly what an MUA says it is. Mutt is an MUA but, to me, it is not a mail client. A mail client is able to transfer and manipulate the required data without need of other programs. A constant example I give, which is flawed as all are, is web browsing. A web browser is, for the most part, an HTTP client. We have the HTTP server and the HTTP client talking to one another directly. We don't have an HTTP transport agent to get the data to the HTTP user agent. Again, example, it is flawed, but it gets the basic point across. A mail client does most, if not all, of the tasks defined as an MUA and most, of not all, of the tasks of an MDA with some minor tasks relegated to an MTA. Let me try to explain. MUA: Program to manipulate the mail databases, filter through them, display them and perform functions upon them as well as limited support functions to help in that main task. IE, reading, replying, deleting, moving messages around are all the main task and the address book, for example, would be a support function. Editing text, spell checking, contact lists, etc are all separate applications and, to me, are not part of the MUA. Do you feel this adiquately describes the majority of functions of mutt? MDA: Program to deliver mail to the local system in accordance with any directives given. This includes any file locking specific to the file system, filtering that is requested from the user(s) as well as system administrator(s) and so on. Exim's MDA portion and procmail? MTA: Program to deliver mail to external sources as well as accept mail from external sources for later redistribution to either the local system or another, external system. Exim's MTA section, Sendmail? Now, let's look at what the mail clients, not MUAs, do. We'll keep it to a single mail account for simplicity and to set aside the whole issue of how to handle multiple mail accounts. A mail account, as I described to Brian earlier, is a collection of folders, filters and settings that are independant of other mail accounts. A mail client attaches to a remote server and pulls the mail down. This is, technicaly, MTA. Once it has the mail it applies a series of filters to it (MDA) and stores it in local folders (MDA). There it allows the user to read, reply to, move and delete those messages (MUA) as well as other support functions (MUA). When they send a message out the client once again connects to a remote server and hands off the mail for delivery (MTA). Now, adding multiple mail accounts back in I feel that a mail client should be able to do that for each mail account with each having its own set of incoming and outgoing servers, filters, folders, settings and so on. This means a single instance keeps the sent mail separate, uses different SMTP servers dependant on mail account (which is independant of mail addresses and local accounts), to the point where a mail account can and should be able to be moved from one machine or local account (local = user, to clarify) without problem. That is different than the personalities paradigm which does not separate out sent mail, use separate SMTP servers and otherwise does not keep the incoming mail separate as the default. Anyway, getting back to the question(s) about MUA/MDA/MTA and mail client. I feel there is a difference between the MUA and a mail client. I do not see a problem with a mail client incorporating portions of other roles because they logically fit together in certain circumstances. The MUA/MDA/MTA divisions were made in the day when there were multiple (dozens to thousands) of people on a single machine and a single mail account as associated with a single local user account. I'm going to assume that anyone still interested in this thread knows why that is the case. If not there is good reading in the bat book on the subject. However, that is not the only case today. I feel that the MTA/MDA/MUA division is overkill for a single person on a single box. There is no need to set up an MTA in that case. It will be running in smarthost mode forwarding all mail to another SMTP server to do the actual delivery. I am certainly not advocating a complete MTA be programmed into a
screensaver not working in gnome/enlightenment
Hi, i'm running off a new install of Potato, with GNOME and E all happily working. However, their is one problem. The various utilities in all the GNOME menus for screensavers don't work. In other words, i can't get the screensaver to kick in at all after it's initial idle time (or for that matter, if i simply tell it to lock immediately). I try running `xscreensaver ` and all i get is an error message: Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server xscreensaver: Can't open display: :0 xscreensaver: initial effective uid/gid was root/shadow (0/42) xscreensaver: running as nobody/nogroup (65534/65534) Also, it's very important to mention that this *only* happens as root, other regular accounts work fine. Anyway, i would just like to find a solution to have a screensaver for root. Thanks, dave
Mutt: Mail-Follow-Up header incorrect
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:25:36PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: BTW your Mail-Follow-Up header is broken, mutt ends up trying to send mail to user `karston' which does not exist on my system obviously. Well, first off, my mailer *does* know how to spell my name correctly... Still, my external email address is kmself@ix.netcom.com, not karsten. Anyone know how I can supply the correct value using Mutt? Docs tell me how to toggle *generating* the header, but no guidance on setting the correct value. Or should I use a rewriting rule in exim? Thanks. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpwC3jg2yWXX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Potato keeps waking up?!
David Vrabel wrote: On 22 Aug 2000, Vitux wrote: What puzzles me most is: I just can't figure out what keeps spinning the disk?! I can't find any ref's to it in the logs or in cron-whatever... If necessary I could post some of my log-files?! atime updates I'd guess. The time that files were last accesses (read) is stored in the filesystem. Hence the disk access when these are written. Consult the mount (?) man page for details on the noatime option. What I'm trying to understand is: what's writing files, when the machine is idle?! (I am beginning to grasp the fact that Linux is never really idle; there's always some cron-stuff going on...) BTW: How do you empty logs? Can you just delete'em? Aren't all the logs rotated by daily/weekly cron jobs? There are by default in Debian. But yes, you can just delete them. David Vrabel Nope, not all the logs. ppp-logs are, but not syslog, f.ex. Oh well, someone indicated that I had already done a pretty good job by reducing wake-ups to three times pr hour, so maybe I should leave it. Now if I could only get my nic working... Still Learning after 1½ year! Thanks Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free Zone
Re: Utility for multiple floppies
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:50:41PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:25:36PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: are gnu tar, gzip and friends available for windows wastelands^Wenvironments? Yep, well I don't know about tar, but cpio, gzip and several others are available. For NT there's the NT Resources Kit (free) which has this stuff. I don't know 'bout the other MS product lines. Toolkits: Cygwin (Cygnus Solutions, now part of RedHat). UWIN (ATT: http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/) MKS (Mortin Kerns Systems) Unix Services for Windows (Microsoft -- formerly Interix[1]) -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 [1] That is, Unix Services for Windows was formerly known as Interix, not Microsoft, which was formerly, and currently, known asNaw, that would be too easy. pgpRi1uWtckNJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
old versions
Where can I find older versions of packages that did not make it into stable? I installed unstable (2.2) on a box a way back before it was frozen, and toyed with it for a while, then left it aside until now. I think I removed most of /usr/share and some other locations (it has only a 100meg harddrive so I was looking to trim it down some). But this has trashed gpm, cpio and a few other non-essential progs. I cannot uninstall them dpkg says: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. But the package has been updated to a new version, and I cannot install it. I have tried the force option and can't get it to remove it. Maybe it is just my syntax: dpkg -r gpm --force-remove-reinstreq other slightly differt wordings get the same result. If I dig through the deb file, and figure out what files it would install and touch these files on the system will dpkg think everything is fine and remove them? Ie does dpkg checksum or verify the package's files in any way? Thanks. Gregg Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: color in Emacs
Try a program like gcolorsel. Very handy. Also remember that if you want the resources to be read automatically when you login Debian uses .Xresources rather then .Xdefaults. At least this is the way /etx/X11/Xsession seems setup to behave. Tal On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:42:38 +0200, Goeman Stefan said: : Hello, : : Putting something like this : : emacs*background:white : emacs*foreground:black : : in the .Xdefault file is nice. : : But, does there exist a list of colors to choose from. : For example, as background I used grey but I find it still to dark. : Is there a way to get it brighter (without using background:white)? : : Greetings, : : Stefan Goeman. : : : -- : Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null : : -- | Tal Danzig | Join #libranet on the | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | openprojects IRC network | | http://www.libranet.com| Tal Danzig | | The TOP Desktop! | [EMAIL PROTECTED]|
Re: Linux Mail Client
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 01:29:32AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: There area great many things that people suggest as features or why doesn't it work this way, which have been tried, and either don't work, produce security holes, or introduce (generally unnecessary) complexity into the system. I agree. I personally feel that a mail client should not have an editor, a spell checker and a contact list in it like most of the Windows clients do. Trust me, I personally don't like how either side handles the whole mail issue. I feel that Windows incorporates too much and isn't powerful enough on the core features where Unix doesn't incorporate enough and focuses too much on the power of the minute details. This is a mature system. Peturbe it gently. Right. As you said, it is sitting on 30 years of unix experience. However, the world has evolved around unix. The unix model of mail, MTA/MUA/MDA was designed in a time when people weren't using single machines for mail. For that it works well. However, when the world shifted from multiple people on a single box to a single person on a single box one does have to question the mature system designed to handle something completely different. One of my sayings in regards another software product which features a users ballot is beware of what others ask for, you may get it. Again, I agree. That is why I am careful about what I propose and try to explain why those suggestions are logical in the situation given. It is also why I am careful to try to state that the currrent system does work in other situations, most often situations they were designed for. Greeting suggestions with skepticism is IMO very healthy. Yes, skepticism is healthy. Dismissal is not. I haven't seen a whole lot of skepticism and entirely too much dismissal. the I want something like this stage, and emerge as...Perl, exim, mutt, fetchmail, vim, wget, screen, VNC to name a few tools I find myself thankful for daily. PMMail, The Bat! are on mine for reasons given. OTHOH, violent negativism is bad. IMO the list has been more than tolerant of your wants, Steve, but my own patience is waning. Then it is waning for the people who are constantly negative and dismissing this very simple idea and concept out of hand because they have apparently not seen it in action, haven't felt a need to have it in action, and feel that their system is suitable in all situations when to a great many people it clearly is not. Being robust is a good thing. The MTA/MDA/MUA model is very robust. However, sometimes excessive robustness isn't needed. It is in those situations where the mail client as I just described to John is better suited for the task at hand than the entire MTA/MDA/MUA model. To put an analogy to that there is nothing on the roads that can beat the hauling capacity of a truck. Not a pickup, a true 18-wheeler (even though some have more or less than 18) tractor/trailer, long-haul truck. It can move 20 tons of stuff in a ~10' x ~8' x ~47' container (well, one of the sizes are about that). However, I don't think there is a person here who would recommend that every family own, maintain and operate sensibly a long-haul truck to run down to the market once a week for groceries when even a sports car with a truck that can hold 8 standard sized paper grocery bags will get the job done. However, that is what I see time and time again from the unix community on the issue of mail. Oh, you want to transport mail (groceries)? Well, you need to get fetchmail, exim, sometimes procmail and mutt, doo all of this and, there, it works (tractor/trailer). The model is more than most people need. That is why I say some of the functions of the MDA and MTA, along with the functions of the MUA, become a mail client (see message to John for details). No, it doesn't do everything the full model does, but it doesn't /have/ to and the people should have to own, maintain and operate sensibly the full model when it isn't needed. Why other cannot accept that problem is beyond me. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 01:04:31AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:34:17AM -0700, brian moore wrote: And I fail to see how a single fetchmail process reading from n servers, with m mailboxes on each, and delivering each remote mailbox to some number greater than m boxes on your machine is anything but what you asked for. I fail to see that happening in any manner I found acceptable. You keep forgetting the MUA aspect where there is no concept of separate accounts. Huh? You're the one that keeps bringing up 'accounts'. I keep asking what the concept of an 'account' has to do with mailboxes. Again, Steve, I have accounts on machines with no mailboxes. I have mailboxes on machines with no accounts. I have MULTIPLE mailboxes on machines with a single account. You do NOT read from a pop3 'account', you read from a pop3 MAILBOX. Exim /IS/ an MDA. It doesn't come with an MDA, it fills that role. No. Exim is an MTA. *sigh* Are you really that stupid, Brian? I mean, really? Hell, I'm smart enough to a) spot private replies and reply to them privately. *Hint* my last mail to you was private. And b) I'm smart enough to only send each mail once, instead of mailing it once as a private reply and then sending the exact same thing to a list. Heck, I'm even smart enough to NOT cc people on list mail unless they've requested it. Howzabout you Steve? If you wish to refute this claim, please provide your reasonings. I'm eager to understand why you think it doesn't fill the MDA role. Filtering has NOTHING to do with is this an MTA. I have body filters in sendmail. I may play with them in postfix Does that make sendmail an MDA? Or postfix? No. Both DO come with MDA's though (mail.local or just plain local, respectively). So what makes an MDA an MDA? Hint it's the D. Part of the reason none of what you're saying makes sense is because you insist on redefining terms to suit your own ends. What seperates 'cat' from an MDA? cat doesn't know about dotlocks or flock() or any of the other tricks expected of an MDA. That's it. Again. the terms are loaded. I have -no- accounts. (Accounts are for, well, accounting, and I don't pay for them.) I have an infinite number of email addresses, of which maybe a dozen or two I use regularly. Don't play ignorant with me. This is getting tiring. Fine, if accounts are for accounting and you pay for all accounts then why do you have a root accounts on your box? And a nobody account. Oh, I guess that means you /ARE/ familiar with the term accounts separate of the billing processes of a business. And seperate from the concept of mailboxes. Why does root not have a mailbox? Nor nobody? In fact, of course, the reason for a seperate root account IS for accounting. Go look up words like 'accountability'. Fine. A mail account, to me, is a separate set of folders, filters, and settings indpenedant of any other mail account. In fact, I have stated that several times. I fail to see how it is a loaded term when I have explained it numerous times. Because 'settings' is a client issue. Filters can be applied at many stages (some long before the MDA even gets a chance to see it). Heck, my best filters are well out of the range of any mail client unless it contains a web browser, since their configuration is on a web page. 'proper'? Um, why is my SMTP server not proper? Should I change smtp servers based on 'From:'? Goodness, that would be silly -- why on earth would I want to, when this machine is quite capable of handling mail itself. Because the assumption is that your machine can handle mail at all. It should not be a requirement to set up a local SMTP server to handle mail on a workstation. The MTA would be using a smart host setup. IE, blidnly forwarding all mail to another SMTP server. Well, why not have the client send to that server. That /is/ why it is client/server and why most clients can connect to multiple servers. Because this 'workstation' also happens to be a server? Why forward it to another machine? (Of course, I -could- if I wanted to, but that would be silly.) Uhm, I /have/. I distictly remember posting to usenet ASCII graphs of the differences to COLM. Problem is Deja is no longer keeping comprehensive archives and it is no longer there. [*] Score: - %Expires: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] %Score created by slrn on Wed Jul 15 10:39:39 1998 An honored spot. I highly doubt that everyone is as stupid as you think they are. Given that you're claiming to have followed my discussions on this topic across different venues and say that I haven't done what I know I have I'm more likely to believe people are stupid than you might think. Esp. when people come in at the middle and propose something I have shot down five times already, explaining why, in detail, each time. Yes, I
Re: tetex slink - potato
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (paul tanner) writes:
After the upgrade I can't use the extra
stuff that I had in
/usr/local/lib/texmf. After examining a
copy of my old slink installation I
found the ``local'' link in texmf/ and
in /usr/share/texmf I added:
ln -s /usr/local/share/texmf local
and moved my local stuff to:
/usr/local/share/texmf
and did the rehash in texconfig.
Now my local files are listed in ls-R
but TeX don't find them when working on
a doc containing: \input [file] .
I'm testing with document sources that
worked OK in my old slink version.
Where have I gone wrong?
You have to change texmf.cnf to make tetex use your local files:
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% TEXMF = {$HOMETEXMF,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
% The braces are necessary. If you set VARTEXMF, you also have to
% - list $VARTEXMF in the TEXMF definition;
% - make sure that $VARTEXMF precedes $TEXMFMAIN in the TEXMF definition.
TEXMF = !!$TEXMFMAIN
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TEXMF = {$HOMETEXMF,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
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Re: net install of staroffice 5.2
On 23, aug, 2000 at 09:02:18 +0200, marco frattola wrote: hi all, this is not debian specific, but maybe somebody can help me. i'm trying to install staroffice 5.2 using the 'net' switch, so every user doesn't need to install his/her own copy of staroffice. i already did it successfully with so 5.1, but i'm unable to do that with 5.2. sun gives you a whole .bin file. by executing that file you start installation .. but there's no way of passing the /net switch. without switch, it installs the one-user only. reading the docs from sun doesn't help much .. they refer to a setup script, which doesn't exist before running the .bin file, and that doesn't do anything after: it just gives you option to repair/uninstall/modify, but not to reinstall. so if anybody knows if there's anything i can try .. Have you tried passing the /net switch to the *.bin file when you execute it? I seem to remember that's how I did it when I tried StarOffice (I've removed it as I don't really need it ...). HTH Morten -- UNIX, reach out and grep someone!
Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 02:05:35AM -0700, brian moore wrote: You're the one that keeps bringing up 'accounts'. I keep asking what the concept of an 'account' has to do with mailboxes. Mail account. Again, Steve, I have accounts on machines with no mailboxes. I have mailboxes on machines with no accounts. I have MULTIPLE mailboxes on machines with a single account. You do NOT read from a pop3 'account', you read from a pop3 MAILBOX. And? A mail account can have sources from multuple mailboxes and a user account can have multiple mail accounts. Hell, I'm smart enough to a) spot private replies and reply to them privately. *Hint* my last mail to you was private. Hint, I figured it would have been to the list if I hadn't fat fingered my reply. And b) I'm smart enough to only send each mail once, instead of mailing it once as a private reply and then sending the exact same thing to a list. Well, considering I have on every other message, one might reasonable surmise it was a mistake. Heck, I'm even smart enough to NOT cc people on list mail unless they've requested it. Howzabout you Steve? Sorry, I'm not a machine like you that never, ever, EVER makes a mistake. What seperates 'cat' from an MDA? cat doesn't know about dotlocks or flock() or any of the other tricks expected of an MDA. That's it. Interesting all, really. None of which states that Exim doesn't fill the MDA role. I still await your points addressing that. In fact, of course, the reason for a seperate root account IS for accounting. Go look up words like 'accountability'. Oh, gee, and you were talking about my loaded words. What do most people think of when you say accounting? Especially in or near a sentence with pay. Because this 'workstation' also happens to be a server? Why forward it to another machine? Just because you don't have a reason and find it silly does not mean there isn't a reason for it or that other people don't have those needs. (Of course, I -could- if I wanted to, but that would be silly.) Maybe in your situation. Silly in all situations? [*] Score: - %Expires: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] %Score created by slrn on Wed Jul 15 10:39:39 1998 An honored spot. Really? Wonder if you have [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well. Yes, I should remember the words of WSB: Never proffer sympathy to the mentally ill, for theirs is a bottomless pit. (From Words of Advice to Young People). You know, people who stoutly refuse that there is a problem when there so clearly is are often considered mentally ill. There is a problem in this scheme, Brian, no matter what your never-make-a-mistake self might think. I'll take your advice and consider you mentally ill from now on and act accordingly. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: Potato vs Realtek8029PCI NIC
Troy Telford wrote: Actually, I have no problems with a realtek 8029 card; however, I always re-compile the kernel after I get the thing on; that usually gets rid of the unresolved symbols problem... In fact, with all the kernel module(s) I've used, re-compiling the kernel from scratch (including the modules) typically removes all unresolved symbols problems. So, you might want to try that... As I have experienced the same thing, this was the first thing I did: d'l latest kernel source for 2.2.16, compile kernel, modules and install the modules, all according to README in the kernel docs. System boots runs just fine, the modules are all there (8390, bsd_comp, ne2k-pci, ppp-deflate). Kmod seems to be working; I made dos-fs as a module, which gets inserted when I mount a dos-disk. As for myself, I typically compile in ne2k-pci into the kernel, rather than as a module; but I must admit I've never had any trouble with it as a module, either. Hope I can be helpful... as I have been using a RealTek 8029-based PCI network card for around 2 years now, with all kinds of kernel versons (yours included, no doubt), I'll be glad to help in any way I can... Troy so..try insmod 8390 insmod ne2k-pci should work :) nate Bob Nielsen wrote: For what it's worth, I am running one of these cards with the driver compiled into 2.2.16, rather than as a module. Here's a snippet from dmesg: ne2k-pci.c:vpre-1.00e 5/27/99 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/ne2k-pci.html ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'RealTek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xe800, IRQ 10. eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0xe800, IRQ 10, 52:54:00:E6:65:FB. Nothing even remotely like this appears when booting. Check my attached bit from syslog... Bob The Realtek nic is IRQ 9 in the BIOS setup; I just checked. Thanks! Regards Vitux -- I'm not a crook Richard Nixon Debian GNU/Linux Micro$loth-free ZoneAug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing syslogd 1.3-3#33: restart. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: klogd 1.3-3#33, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Inspecting /System.map Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Cannot find map file. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: No module symbols loaded. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Linux version 2.2.16 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.2 2220 (Debian GNU/Linux)) #1 Tue Aug 22 18:56:53 CEST 2000 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Detected 349183 kHz processor. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 696.32 BogoMIPS Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Memory: 128192k/131072k available (912k kernel code, 416k reserved, 1512k data, 40k init) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Dentry hash table entries: 16384 (order 5, 128k) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Buffer cache hash table entries: 131072 (order 7, 512k) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Page cache hash table entries: 32768 (order 5, 128k) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: CPU: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 01 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xed728 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Probing PCI hardware Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5800-583f to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5840-584f to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5850-585f to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5860-5863 to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5864-5867 to device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Enabling I/O for device 00:70 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Assigning I/O space 5880-589f to device 00:a2 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: PCI: Enabling I/O for device 00:a2 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0. Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 131072 bhash 65536) Aug 23 10:37:33 WichmannRacing kernel: Starting kswapd v 1.5 Aug
