Re: error

2003-12-05 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:16:07 -0600 "Norman Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I attempted to file a complaint on line. Each time I was informed that the phone > number (my phone number) was incorrect; yet, my phone number, 972 727 7260 is > registered on the Do Not Call list. I could not file my

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:00:02 -0800 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre > > self-loathing to crass commercialis

Re: Linux Kernel Security - Can it ever be 100%

2003-12-05 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:58:40 -0800 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:43:23PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > [great stuff which is absolutely correct] > > However, I "Tom Ballard" have figured it all out. > The problem with all of computer science is the left hand doesn't know

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread ben_foley
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:49:33PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: > scripsit Tom: > > (dating from the 17th century; their descendents are today's Lib-Dems) > or with a rather na?ve progressive view of history as the story of > continual progress. The latter is the way the term tends to be used >

[CKCNEWS] - Your December Newsletter is Ready

2003-12-05 Thread CKCUSA
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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread ben_foley
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:42:33AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > I believe Mr sanders is a member of the socialist party. > > check out bernie.house.gov while he lends himself to socialist issues, bernie is an independent. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: xscreensaver error: usage: xscreensaver-getimage [ -display host:dpy.screen ] [ -v ] window-id

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:21:40PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > The problem is the system call within the hacks themselves. If you > noted, I was running antspotlight from the command line. My bad, I should read more carefully. You did indeed point out that is was internal to the hacks. In m

Re: Linux Kernel Security - Can it ever be 100%

2003-12-05 Thread Paul E Condon
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:58:40PM -0800, Tom wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:43:23PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > [great stuff which is absolutely correct] > > However, I "Tom Ballard" have figured it all out. > The problem with all of computer science is the left hand doesn't know > what the r

Opposed: (was Re: RFC: Create d-user-woody, d-user-sarge maillists, deactivate d-user)

2003-12-05 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 02:28:52AM -0800, Hereon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Request For Comment on: > Enhancing the Debian mailing lists by: > Creating debian-user-woody and debian-user-sarge mailing lists, > and deactivating debian-user. > > Summary: > > 1) The Debian user community is s

error

2003-12-05 Thread Norman Lane
I attempted to file a complaint on line. Each time I was informed that the phone number (my phone number) was incorrect; yet, my phone number, 972 727 7260 is registered on the Do Not Call list. I could not file my complaint except by calling 1 888 382 l222. Norman Lane

Re: Kernel upgrade time

2003-12-05 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 15:15, David Palmer. wrote: > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 05:10:31 -0800 > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:41:30AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 03:15:06PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > > > > > Fact: Closer to 5 pints than 5

installed new kernel, but lost internal network

2003-12-05 Thread H. S.
Hi, I am doing masquarading using my Debian machine running Sarge. Earlier I was running the default kernel that comes with Woody (2.4.18-bf14 or something). Today I upgraded to the new kernel: /var/log# apt-get -u install kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 kernel-doc-2.4.22 kernel-headers-2.4.22-1 kern

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:45:25PM +0100, Mariano Kamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Friday 05 December 2003 23:22, Paul E Condon wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:07:24PM +0100, Mariano Kamp wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am > > > w

Re: No need for 2.4.23 (re compromise)

2003-12-05 Thread Bill Moseley
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:07:31AM +, Mark C wrote: > On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 15:47, Bill Moseley wrote: > > > I'm using that last one, 2.4.20. > > same here from the debian sources, but with a few added patches, > there is no need to download a new kernel, just get the source you have

Re: xscreensaver error: usage: xscreensaver-getimage [ -display host:dpy.screen ] [ -v ] window-id

2003-12-05 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:12:25PM -0800, Marc Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:29:33AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > > > No Google hits, strace doesn't help much. Sounds like someone got their > > args wrong. > > So LOOK at their arguments, fix them, and th

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:00:02PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre > > self-loathing to crass commercialism (usually around 27). > > You know, murphy really ought to be ma

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote: > The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre > self-loathing to crass commercialism (usually around 27). You know, murphy really ought to be making sure the addresses u

Re: Linux Kernel Security - Can it ever be 100%

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:43:23PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: [great stuff which is absolutely correct] However, I "Tom Ballard" have figured it all out. The problem with all of computer science is the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. All of these problems are finite and can be

Re: Linux Kernel Security - Can it ever be 100%

2003-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
Dave wrote: > Recent discussions in this group have raised as many questions for me as > they have answered, and raised doubts in my mind that the security of the > Linux kernel will ever be as good as I would like it to be. Is there a > fundamentally simple and 100% effective way to stop kerne

Re: fetchmail problem (maybe bug)

2003-12-05 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:49:40PM -0800, Marc Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:51:37AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > I'm using fetchmail 5.9.11-6.2 from woody since a while without any problems, > > > but now mail retrieval fails with the following error messag

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:37:05PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:27:02PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > Anyway, thanks for making me glad I'm American paul! > > Learned it in school, not off the net. Heard it within the last month > on The History Channel as well, though the name

Re: xscreensaver error: usage: xscreensaver-getimage [ -display host:dpy.screen ] [ -v ] window-id

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:29:33AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > No Google hits, strace doesn't help much. Sounds like someone got their > args wrong. So LOOK at their arguments, fix them, and then file a bug. The "Advanced" button on the "Settings" pane of every graphics hack is what you w

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:31:25PM +0100, John L. Fjellstad wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: > > > Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get > > and learning the difference between the two targets? > > Why do you bother answer, when giving the answer makes you so uncom

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:38:02AM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: > -u enables APT::Get::Show-Upgraded to true which lists what packages are > going to be updated, but, IIRC, APT::Get::Show-Upgraded is true by > default. Yeah. It didn't used to be so, and many people change it so that it's not. Using

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
> > Yes, in theory it should work on Debian when it works on Knoppix, > That is only true to a degree. Klaus Knopper has a lot of very good > scripts to do hardware detection instead of the usual startup from > /etc/init.d > When you do a hd install from Knoppix, you do not get those scripts. >

Re: fetchmail problem (maybe bug)

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:51:37AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > I'm using fetchmail 5.9.11-6.2 from woody since a while without any problems, > > but now mail retrieval fails with the following error messages: > > > > fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1 > > fetchmail: POP3< -ERR cannot open disk

Re: debian-installer beta - where?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
On Saturday 06 December 2003 01:30, Joey Hess wrote: > lloyd wrote: > > the links on gluck to the debian-installer beta are broken - where can i > > get the i386 iso's? > > http://www.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de/~sebastian.ley/d-i/ Great... The new installer is just wonderful. It solved my problems mentio

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:26:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:54:48PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > This is so profoundly offensive I cannot believe you offensive. > > What you are saying is so self-evidently wrong it's laughable. > > Go take US History sometime. Go read abou

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:27:02PM -0800, Tom wrote: > Anyway, thanks for making me glad I'm American paul! Learned it in school, not off the net. Heard it within the last month on The History Channel as well, though the name of the program it was on

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:47:46PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote: > > Don't second-guess them; they was smart! > > They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't > even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:54:48PM -0800, Tom wrote: > This is so profoundly offensive I cannot believe you offensive. > What you are saying is so self-evidently wrong it's laughable. Go take US History sometime. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-12-05 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) bob nole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you are a animal raper > > How did he find out? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RocketRAID 100 and Linux Booting - HELP!

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Goettert
I don't see anywhere information on setting up the booting of Linux with the RocketRAID.  I tried to write the MBR of the designated BOOT drive and even though lilo said that it had done it, I get a never ending flow of 01's on the screen instead of a lilo boot screen. More information: The o

Re: Anyone used a Lindows Laptop?

2003-12-05 Thread John
Ok to answer my own query, I have managed to find some good reviews on the Lindows Mobile PC and in a place I probably should have thought about earlier. After giving up on google, I had a closer look at the Lindows.com site and found that they have some pretty vigorous forums there, and they can e

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:47:46PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote: > > Don't second-guess them; they was smart! > > They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't > even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short

debian install + lvm

2003-12-05 Thread Tom Allison
I found out something that was bothering me for a while and I finally figured it out. I was unable to run X-Windows as non-root user. I was installing Debian with an LVM configuration for the disk. As part of this config, I was putting /tmp into a LVM partition /dev/hda1 -> swap /dev/hda2 -> b

Re: Anyone used a Lindows Laptop?

2003-12-05 Thread John
Thanks for your reply Kev On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:07:14 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > the first thing laptop mfgrs leave out is battery life. So, I checked > and it has 2 hrs max. so, that was a deal breaker for me. I have had a > little experience with lindows 3.0 desktop. It was based on st

Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:30:11AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Dave writes: > > He or she had intimate knowledge of the various Debian servers. > > I see no evidence that the cracker had anything other than public > information. Wait...Debian Develop

Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:32:47PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > Personally, I think that the best test of Gates' character is that the > highly moral Warren Buffet chooses him as a friend. Well, in every circle of friends, there's the relatively amoral

Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:57:55PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > It's "cracker". Not "hacker". > http://web.bilkent.edu.tr/Online/Jargon30/JARGON_C/CRACKER.HTML This is a *very* outdated mirror of The Jargon File, please kick the maintainer into updating.

Re: RAID question - dying

2003-12-05 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Paul Morgan wrote: > > - disks doesn't fail as often as a power supply > > -- hint.. add a nice fan for each disk > > > > My experience is the opposite: I have never had a power supply fail, but I > have had several disks fail. everybody's experiences will be different

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:11:30AM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: > ...and hence not a member of any `third' party -- or am I missing > something? Confusingly enough, there's an Independent Party here. So more people claim to be Independents then actu

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:39:06AM -0800, Tom wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: > > > I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of > > organized `third' parties, which could run party lists

xserver 30 seconds startup delay with usb?

2003-12-05 Thread Graham Williams
Any ideas on why starting X or changing virtual terminals to the X window (C-A-F7) might pause for 30 seconds with a blank screen or at best the background and window outlines showing. Seems like it is timing out waiting for something? Perhaps associated with usb or a usb mouse? This is occurring

Re: boot time RAID drive detection order

2003-12-05 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, bruce edge wrote: > If one has 2 IDE disks connected, both of which have RAID autodetect > partitions, but are incompatible with the other drive, what determines > which one wins? the bios if hda is not found, it will go to hdb, than to hdc or whatever you set in the bio yo

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote: > Don't second-guess them; they was smart! They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short of the pedestal people pu

Re: FWD: Can't Get Past "Install the Base System"

2003-12-05 Thread Chris Tillman
> - Forwarded message from "Dave L. Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > From: "Dave L. Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:42:18 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Can't Get Past "Install the Base System" > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_0

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:01:00AM -0600, Kent West wrote: > and at this time pick from the Big Two to avoid "throwing away" your > vote. I was with you up until you said this. How does this change anything? The general election is the one that count

Linux Kernel Security - Can it ever be 100%

2003-12-05 Thread Dave
Recent discussions in this group have raised as many questions for me as they have answered, and raised doubts in my mind that the security of the Linux kernel will ever be as good as I would like it to be. Is there a fundamentally simple and 100% effective way to stop kernel exploits, or will

Re: Java, mplayer

2003-12-05 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Bijan Soleymani wrote: Joel Konkle-Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Why can't Sun's j2re and mplayer be provided in non-free or contrib? I've read various things about how their legal status is incompatible with Debian's DFSG, but I thought that's what non-free was for in the first place. Thi

DO NOT hijack threads!

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:37:30AM -0800, Keith Goettert wrote: > I am using a Hipoint IDE RAID card. That's nice. And most of us use threaded mail readers. Start a new thread by sending a new email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT by replying to other lis

Re: PATH statement in X

2003-12-05 Thread John L. Fjellstad
Mark Roach wrote: > So, add UserPath and/or SystemPath lines to your kdmrc and see if they > take effect... But that doesn't my first question, which is where all the places the PATH is set when you are using X-Window (kdm). The UserPath and SystemPath is not set in kdmrc, so it has to have bee

Re: No need for 2.4.23 (re compromise)

2003-12-05 Thread Mark C
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 15:47, Bill Moseley wrote: > I'm using that last one, 2.4.20. same here from the debian sources, but with a few added patches, there is no need to download a new kernel, just get the source you have for the currently running kernel, apply this patch: --

Re: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:28:06 -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: > * Paul Morgan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031205 14:24]: >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:05:15 -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: >> >> > * Paul Morgan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031204 12:32]: >> >> I have all services locked down to localhost; my only connections

Re: Where to get the new installer?

2003-12-05 Thread Richard Lyons
On Saturday 06 December 2003 01:53, Mariano Kamp wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >[··] > > > >My experience with Knoppix was excellent. I used it on two systems > >(laptop and desktop) and both are now mostly unstable - only bit of > >knoppix obviously remaining

Re: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises

2003-12-05 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Paul Morgan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031205 14:24]: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:05:15 -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: > > > * Paul Morgan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031204 12:32]: > >> I have all services locked down to localhost; my only connections to > >> the outside world are mail, news via nntpcached, web vi

Re: RAID question

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:38:51 -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: > > > > generic disk failures ... > - use SMART, enabled in the kernel and in the bios > > - disks doesn't fail as often as a power supply > -- hint.. add a nice fan for each disk > My experience is the opposite: I have never h

Re: debian-installer beta - where?

2003-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
lloyd wrote: > > the links on gluck to the debian-installer beta are broken - where can i > get the i386 iso's? http://www.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de/~sebastian.ley/d-i/ -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy

2003-12-05 Thread John Hasler
ScruLoose writes: > Half of the stuff that gets called "campaign contribution" in the US > would get both parties ten years in jail if you tried it in any other > democracy in the world. And half of the stuff that gets called "campaign contribution" in other parts of the world would get both parti

blackhats - Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Benedict Verheyen wrote: > > Benedict writes: > > > Are there people out there that really do this? I mean, try to break > in > > > and post this to the people that can fix it? "blackhats" "whitehats" "grayhats" "defcon" "phrack" ... - millions of script kiddies ...

Re: Where to get the new installer?

2003-12-05 Thread Lance Simmons
* Mariano Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031205 16:58]: > Any idea how bad it is to start out with Knoppix and then use it as a > Debian system? I've done it on different laptops and desktops without a problem. But I don't use any KDE stuff, so if there were problems there I wouldn't know about it. -

Re: FWD: Can't Get Past "Install the Base System"

2003-12-05 Thread Tom Allison
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Joey Hess wrote: debian-user is not the right lists for questions about the new debian installer. Forwarding to debian-boot. It seems to me that you are trying to use the debian-installer with the Debian 3.0 (woody) CDs. The debian-installer is targeted at the next release o

Re: Java, mplayer

2003-12-05 Thread Magnus von Koeller
On Friday 05 December 2003 20:17, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote: > Couldn't tell ya. I can't see why this wouldn't work, though. Does > it just need someone to implement it? This is what you're looking for: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ude2/debian/ It works really nicely for me... (Because actual

Re: removing menu icons in fvwm

2003-12-05 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Micha Feigin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031205 13:24]: > How do I lose the icons in the auto generated debian menu in fvwm ? > Its nice to have a few icons, but they are too big, probably to memory > intensive and make it harder in general to find what I want. See /usr/share/doc/menu/html. In index.h

Re: RAID question

2003-12-05 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andy Firman wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:41:56AM +0800, Arne Goetje wrote: > > I have a mainboard (ASUS A7N8X) with onboard SATA controller (SiI 3112A) > > and am planning to plug in two SATA drives and use RAID 1 (mirroring) > > on them. Besides telling the controll

Re: Where to get the new installer?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
Hi Richard, Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[··] > >My experience with Knoppix was excellent. I used it on two systems >(laptop and desktop) and both are now mostly unstable - only bit of >knoppix obviously remaining being the X splashscreen. It certainly >solved some hardware is

boot time RAID drive detection order

2003-12-05 Thread bruce edge
If one has 2 IDE disks connected, both of which have RAID autodetect partitions, but are incompatible with the other drive, what determines which one wins? The case I've seen is that hdb is winning out over hda, and I was wondering why, and, if there's anything that can be done to force one or the

Re: LILO

2003-12-05 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Hans Olav Eggestad wrote: > I tried to install debian (v3.0) on my laptop, but LILO did not work. > Are there any alternatives? (like GRUB (which do work on my laptop > (RedHat))) what doesnt work ?? what does yoru lilo.conf look like ? what does your grub.conf and /boot/gr

Re: Switch to Sarge lost browser link in Mutt

2003-12-05 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit John L. Fjellstad: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..I dunno if transplarency works with Gnome (does anyone?), > > but try Konsole-1.2.3: [EMAIL PROTECTED] konsole --version > > It doesn't do transparancy under Gnome and I haven't gotten UNICODE to work > with it. As I mentioned, transparen

KDE3.1 in sid and woody

2003-12-05 Thread Clive Menzies
Hi I am just rebuilding Debian on my Powermac G4 having repartioned to install sid as the main system but with a "/" partition to run woody as a fallback (this is my main workstation). Both installs have worked fine (after a couple of blind alleys) and I've installed various packages using aptitu

Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

2003-12-05 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Tom: > You conveniently ignored the quote by the Indian fellow who complained > about how there are too many political parties. I guess it didn't occur to me you were offering it as a serious argument. I confess I didn't pay too much attention to it, as I misread it to be coming from a

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Mariano Kamp wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 23:22, Paul E Condon wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:07:24PM +0100, Mariano Kamp wrote: Hi, I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am wondering if anybody has been able to install Debian on it? Any pointers would be nice. ww

Re: Kernel options, modules, etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "John L. Fjellstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 06:21 Subject: Re: Kernel options, modules, etc. > Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > Ok that means I have to unpack kernel source to get the required > > documents. Thank

Re: Where to get the new installer?

2003-12-05 Thread Richard Lyons
On Friday 05 December 2003 23:02, Mariano Kamp wrote: [...] > > It works with Knoppix (besides a lcd-screen issue). Any idea how > bad it is to start out with Knoppix and then use it as a Debian > system? My experience with Knoppix was excellent. I used it on two systems (laptop and desktop) a

general apt problem

2003-12-05 Thread Matt Peter
Hello All, I run into apt problems on a semi-regular basis, running unstable, which is fine most of the time, but from time to time I get package permissions problems, usually where one dependent package is trying to overwrite the contents of another package's contents. So, I've been over the

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
Hi Kent, On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:19, Kent West wrote: > Mariano Kamp wrote: > > On Friday 05 December 2003 23:29, Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corsetti Dutra > > > > wrote: > >>Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:07:24 +0100, Mariano Kamp escreveu: > >>>I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discount

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Kent West
Mariano Kamp wrote: On Friday 05 December 2003 23:29, Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:07:24 +0100, Mariano Kamp escreveu: I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am wondering if anybody has been able to install Debian on it? Any pointers

Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:26:07 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: >> And then there is morality. I know you won't believe this, but almost >> all corporate executives consider themselves moral law-abiding citizens. > > Paul Morgan writes: >> Good point. And just because Bill Gates et. al have b

Re: [OT] got a new isp

2003-12-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: After 28 months with Mexican Prodigy switched to Mexican AT&T. The latest *scientific* results are in from the comparison between AT&T and Prodigy ISP's in Mexico: 1. Prodigy will cut off any session lasting more than 8:00 hours at exactly 8 hours. I thought it was Telm

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
On Friday 05 December 2003 23:29, Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:07:24 +0100, Mariano Kamp escreveu: > > I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am wondering > > if > > anybody has been able to install Debian on it? Any pointers would b

no way to remove something if the control file is damaged

2003-12-05 Thread Dan Jacobson
M> I'm trying to get rid of a package here M> or at least put it on hold, or just get apt M> to shuttup about it already, and I'm at M> a loss. Any ideas? M> # dpkg --purge --force-all sysadmin-guide M> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled: M> Package is in a very bad inco

RAID card shows SCSI and unwanted IDE devices

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Goettert
Sorry about the resend.  Original message got lost in a thread... I am using a Hipoint IDE RAID card.  The driver that Hipoint has created makes the card appear to be a scsi device.  This all works fine and I can access the array as though it was a single SCSI drive.  Unfortunately, the kern

Re: Can't Get Past "Install the Base System"

2003-12-05 Thread Kent West
Dave L. Thompson wrote: I am a newbie Debian installer, and I’m installing Debian on a Dell PC with the seven CD’s I downloaded from the Debian site. I have been unable to get past the “Install the Base System” portion. I’ve confirmed that dists/woody/main/binary-i386/Release is present on the

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:07:24 +0100, Mariano Kamp escreveu: > I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am wondering > if > anybody has been able to install Debian on it? Any pointers would be nice. Which one? Pointers? > Allmost all the components are unknown whe

Re: avoid running cron jobs on holidays

2003-12-05 Thread csj
On 5. December 2003 at 10:28AM -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Em Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:06:17 +0530, Sabar_Prabhu escreveu: > > > ur email id over the net n saw that ur an > > Which language is this? To whom are ye talking to? He's probably using a cellphone to send email, and so need to

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
On Friday 05 December 2003 23:22, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:07:24PM +0100, Mariano Kamp wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am > > wondering if anybody has been able to install Debian on it? Any pointers > > would be nice. > >

Re: Pinning question

2003-12-05 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:28:28PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:48:39 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > Don't pin between stable and anything newer, or you'll end up just > > having some serious cascading dependencies that will result in you > > running testing or unstable i

Config of Gnome-terminal in Sarge

2003-12-05 Thread Paul E Condon
I'm working on getting my computer moved from Woody to Sarge. I have an annoying cosmetic problem with Gnome2 in Sarge. In Gnome-Terminal (GT), the fonts that can be selected in the GT 'current profile' are small letters with lots of space around them; wide separation of letters within words and a

Re: Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Paul E Condon
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:07:24PM +0100, Mariano Kamp wrote: > Hi, > > I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am wondering if > anybody has been able to install Debian on it? Any pointers would be nice. > > www.linux-hardware.de wasn't helpful. > > Allmost all the c

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-12-05 Thread David Meiser
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Re: radeon and X: was X won't start: Resolved

2003-12-05 Thread David Meiser
Mark, I laugh that you say it sounds geek.  If anything, I am contra-geek, a masters student in Theology with barely any technical know-how other than how to slap a computer together. Peace, DAVE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:19:37 -0600, David Meiser wrote: P

Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > And then there is morality. I know you won't believe this, but almost > all corporate executives consider themselves moral law-abiding citizens. Paul Morgan writes: > Good point. And just because Bill Gates et. al have become hard-nosed > businessmen, it does not mean they are immoral

Re: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Morgan
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:05:15 -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: > * Paul Morgan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031204 12:32]: >> I have all services locked down to localhost; my only connections to >> the outside world are mail, news via nntpcached, web via squid... I run >> Apache but it too is locked down to loca

Re: Earthlink and Swen

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Morgan
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:56:59 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:08:23PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > ... >> I have all services locked down to localhost; my only connections to >> the outside world are mail, news via nntpcached, web via squid... I run >> Apache but it too is loc

Cheap PC / unknown components. ALDI/Medion MD 8080 XL anyone?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
Hi, I bought one of the "cheap" PCs from a german discounter. I am wondering if anybody has been able to install Debian on it? Any pointers would be nice. www.linux-hardware.de wasn't helpful. Allmost all the components are unknown when looking at the /proc/pci output. This is interest

debian-installer beta - where?

2003-12-05 Thread lloyd
the links on gluck to the debian-installer beta are broken - where can i get the i386 iso's? thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:32:47PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > > Good point. And just because Bill Gates et. al have become hard-nosed > businessmen, it does not mean they are immoral. > Microsoft played the exact same role in its origins v. IBM as Linux is now playing to Microsoft; the upstar

Where to get the new installer?

2003-12-05 Thread Mariano Kamp
Hi, I am stuck with the woody installer. It doesn't have a current rhine driver (see next posting). I tried with an alpha version of the new installer, but it always fails after discovering usb. This also happens with the new net-installer. When trying to download the beta from debian.org

Unidentified subject!

2003-12-05 Thread bob nole
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Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Morgan
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:13:20 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > And then there is morality. I know you won't believe this, but almost all > corporate executives consider themselves moral law-abiding citizens. Good point. And just because Bill Gates et. al have become hard-nosed businessmen, it does

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