Re: [HS] Debian a-t-elle la patate ? [était] Re: Debian en perte de vitesse ?
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 19:25:14 +0100 Sylvain L. Sauvage sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr wrote: Euh, c’est de l’ironie ? Sinon, allume ta télé : → http://www.cnipt-pommesdeterre.com/ (C’est (au moins) la deuxième campagne. Il y en avait déjà eu une il y a quelques années.) 'ffectivement, y'en a juste une qui vient de passer sur la 12. -- Ari En java, l'exception c'est la règle... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123193957.33f8c6fd@anubis.defcon1
Re: [HS] Debian a-t-elle la patate ? [était] Re: Debian en perte de vitesse ?
Le 23/11/2013 19:39, Guy Roussin a écrit : Le 23/11/2013 19:25, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le samedi 23 novembre 2013 17:33:28 moi-meme a écrit : […] à moitié HS un produit valable n'a pas besoin de pub et il joue le long terme. Y a t'il de la pub sur pommes de terre ? /à moitié HS Euh, c’est de l’ironie ? Sinon, allume ta télé : → http://www.cnipt-pommesdeterre.com/ (C’est (au moins) la deuxième campagne. Il y en avait déjà eu une il y a quelques années.) En plus toutes les variétés de patates sont issues d'hybrides qui appartiennent à des sociétés commerciales. Impossible et interdit de multiplier soit-même ces variétés ... En plus, pour être vendue pour la plantation, une variété de patate doit être inscrite sur le catalogue des variétés: ce n'est ni simple, ni gratuit. Je pense même que le troc de patate-semence est interdit (si vous êtes jardinier averti et que vous voulez échanger vos trouvailles avec votre voisin) On est encore bien loin de la patate libre :-( Désolé je vois qu'il y a quelques rares variétés libre de droit : http://www.ics-agri.com/francais/pommes-de-terre-varietes-fr.htm -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290f727.3080...@teledetection.fr
Re: Debian en perte de vitesse ?
Le samedi 23 novembre 2013 19:28:25 Jean-Michel Gaillard a écrit : J'ai lu un article récemment qui montre que Debian est passé de ~27% à ~ 32% d'utilisation sur les serveurs. chez les particuliers je ne sais pas par contre. Bah, comme il n’y a pas de chiffres de ventes, on est loin d’avoir des données fiables (si tant est que les chiffres de vente des produits commerciaux soient fiables). La plupart des chiffres partent des statistiques Web ou d’études opaques (Gartner…). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems résume le tout et indique que, selon W3Techs, c’est 32% de Linux en tout sur les serveurs et 32% de Debian dans les Linux : http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux/all/all -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4267015.fZzoJuqOMl@earendil
Re: [testing la démocratie]
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 06:33:51PM +0100, maderios wrote: On 11/22/2013 10:01 PM, Alexandre Hoïde wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 06:24:06PM +0100, maderios wrote: De la démocratie dans le développement du logiciel libre, voilà qui pourrait faire l'objet d'une thèse ? L’équivalent « Du régime monarchique dans le développement de la démocratie » pour les historiens et philosophes du futur. C'est tout le contraire du développement du libre. La plupart des monarchies sont tombées, les quelques royaumes croupions qui restent ici et là disparaitront à moyen ou long terme. -- Maderios C’est bien ce que je dis, Madre de Dios : Pour les historiens du futur, où une organisation politique et sociale issue du Libre (avec un grand L) prédominerait, la « démocratie » ne représenterait plus que le nom d’un régime historique — par opposition à l’idéal politique, quelque peu malmené dans son implémentation V2.013. Claro ? ;) -- ___ | $ post_tenebras ↲ | waouh ! | GNU\ /| / | -- * -- | o | $ who ↲/ \|_-- ~_| | Alexandre Hoïde | _/| | --- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123195522.ga10...@gmail.com
Re: [HS] Debian a-t-elle la patate ? [était] Re: Debian en perte de vitesse ?
Le 23 novembre 2013 à 19:39, Guy Roussin a écrit : En plus toutes les variétés de patates sont issues d'hybrides qui appartiennent à des sociétés commerciales. Impossible et interdit de multiplier soit-même ces variétés ... En plus, pour être vendue pour la plantation, une variété de patate doit être inscrite sur le catalogue des variétés: ce n'est ni simple, ni gratuit. Je pense même que le troc de patate-semence est interdit (si vous êtes jardinier averti et que vous voulez échanger vos trouvailles avec votre voisin) On est encore bien loin de la patate libre :-( Le 23 novembre 2013 à 21:02, maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit : Impossible et interdit de multiplier soit-même ces variétés ..., c'est inexact. Je cultive des patates depuis longtemps et comme beaucoup de jardiniers, je n'achète pas de plant. Je prélève sur ma récolte annuelle une centaine de petits tubercules de bien meilleure qualité que ce qui est vendu dans le commerce. Garanti bio 100%, donc non traité et sans maladie. Cela marche ainsi depuis des années, sans pesticides ou parasites. Tout dépend de l'équilibre biologique du sol. Quant à une éventuelle interdiction, aucune preuve. Ma patate préférée http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_%28pomme_de_terre%29 PS: la 1° Debian que j'ai installée se nommait Potatoe. http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/ Ce fut vraiment une révélation, après avoir testé successivement une Redhat-5.2 (redhat marchait pas mal à l'époque), Suse, Mandrake (devenu Mandriva). J'ai découvert que Debian était vraiment simple malgré tous les on dit. Distro huilée et surtout infiniment plus stable que la concurrence. Cela n'a jamais changé depuis. Maderios Bonsoir Le logiciel libre et les semences libres : même combat ! Conférence de Richard Stallman et Jean-Pierre Berlan sur Les enclosures des biens communs : du vivant aux logiciels le 23 Février 2008 à La Cantine (devenue le NUMA au 39 rue du Caire, 2e arrt numaparis.com ) http://ru3.com/luc/tag/people/richard-stallman-jean-pierre-berlan-brevets-sur-le-vivant-et-logiciel-libre.html JP Berlan a préfacé le catalogue Kokopelli que je peux prêter aux Debianeux d'IDF afin qu'ils y admirent de magnifiques cucurbitacées aux formes tarabiscotées et aux couleurs chatoyantes. http://kokopelli-semences.fr/ Je l'ai acheté sur un stand et ils semblent être libristes convaincus. Il ne faut pas gâcher la nourriture, mais bon : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patator Librement, Stef -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFPKLMJtV_+q91CZhmjBRehmcRj8AjOKqsbn=votpqnprxv...@mail.gmail.com
[HS] Langages interprétés, vos avis
Chalut liste, je tâche de reprendre le cours une vieille arlésienne dans mes projets et je m'interroge sur le langage (interprété) à utiliser. J'ai besoin de pômal de libs: TCP/IP, PostgreSQL, XML, graphic plotting, génération de PDFs (là, ptêt en PHP, à cause de la qualité des frameworks que je ne n'ai retrouvée nul part), SSL, templating/génération de HTML, ORM, etc. Pour bâtir un svr d'application qui tournera sans doute sur une machine récente, mais doit pouvoir, le cas échéant, tout autant tourner sur un vieux bousin (P3-800MHz par ex.) avec peu de RAM. Python semblait un bon concurrent, mais s'il est blindé de libs, il est très lent et surtout ne semble tjrs pas scaler sur les multi-cores (et les espaces sont _vraiment_ chiants), et bouffe de la RAM, donc exit. Dans les autres, reste donc (à vue de libs): Perl, Ruby, (à vue de nez) TCL LUA; plus ceux que j'ai oublié. Java est bien évidemment non-envisageable. La chose devant être un genre d'openerp (tout du moins être modulaire, avec gestion des dépendances, une partie admin (implantation des modules) et une partie user), ça serait bien que le langage ne soit pas trop verbeux (un peu comme python) et rapide. Mon but est d'éviter de me planter pour ne pas avoir à recommencer de zéro dans qq mois et d'éviter d'avoir à ré-écrire la roue. -- Natsumi : J'comprends pas la polémique qu'il peut y avoir autour de la chirurgie esthétique, ça reviens juste à un changement de skin -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123213204.7e45b94f@anubis.defcon1
Re: Debian en perte de vitesse ?
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le 23/11/2013, frederic zulianzul...@free.fr a écrit : Petit passage au VMWare tour à Toulouse (je sais , c'est MAL). On retrouve dans les présentations des partenaires les citations des serveurs sous Opensuse, redhat, . Debian n'apparait nulle part. Je vais au capitole du libre ce week-end à Toulouse. On y trouve Ubuntu, Mint, Opensuse mais point de Debian. Mais ou est passé Debian ? Où est le problème ? Debian n'est pas obligée d'être présente dans toutes les manifestations et expositions (liées à l'informatique de façon général mais aussi à Linux, aux logiciels libres ou à code ouverte) de France et de Navarre. Rappelons que Debian est une distribution non lucrative basée sur des volontaires bénévoles. Ce qui est valable pour l'empaquetage des divers logiciels l'est également pour des opérations de communication ou de démonstration. Et puis, à part SuSE, RedHat, Ubuntu et Linux Mint, qu'est-ce qu'on trouve comme autres distributions. De même, chacune de ces mêmes SuSE, RedHat, Ubuntu et Linux Mint n'est pas forcément présente dans toutes les manifestations et expositions (toujours de France et de Navarre). On voit toutes les distributions se battre à coup de distribution s de stickers, affiches, DVD, autocollants divers et variés ... Debian garde sa traditionnelle sagesse mais commence à se faire distancer. Les DVDs peuvent être utiles mais en quoi la qualité d'une distribution - cela dépasse le seul cadre de Debian - doit-elle se baser aussi sur l'existence (et la distribution) de stickers, affiches, autocollants ? Franchement, ces sympathiques choses ne manquent pas vraiment... :-/ Je vois cinq choses - bien plus utiles - permettant à Debian de se répandre auprès des utilisateurs (entreprises, administrations et particuliers) : a) la consultation de son site http://www.debian.org/ . b) l'essai de la distribution par l'intermèdiaire d'un système autonome (ou live) à l'aide d'un DVD, CD ou clé USB, histoire de se faire une idée sur ce que peut offrir la distribution et de se convaincre, le cas échéant, de l'installer sur son ordinateur. c) la présence dans diverses évènements (quand il y a des volontaires qui acceptent d'y être présents) - et oui, cela arrive parfois, voir le lien suivant http://www.debian.org/events/ . d) la publicité par la bouche à l'oreille voire la démonstration chez une connaissance familiale, amicale (voire plus si affinités) ou professionnelle. e) la réaction de la presse spécialisée (informatique mais surtout linuxienne, pro-logiciels libres ou à code ouverte) traditionnelle ou numérique, en général après la publication d'un nouvelle version stable par Debian. Note 1 : à propos des réactions de cette même presse, certaines sont positives mais d'autres sont plus mitigées. Note 2 : quand j'entends presse traditionnelle, je parle des revues et périodiques que vous pouvez trouver chez des marchands de journaux - attention, certains sont plus ou moins dotés - et quand j'entends presse numérique, je parle de celle que l'on peut consulter sur Internet (exemple parmi les sites francophones : http://linuxfr.org/) Il me paraît quelque peu réducteur de vouloir spéculer de l'avenir de Debian à partir de son absence aux deux évènements à Toulouse. Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caaqhxe7cnvd-w6jhozgvseuuo1xsb-oc3d7o7ibyoctbqrr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [HS] Langages interprétés, vos avis
Le 23 novembre 2013, Bzzz a écrit... Java est bien évidemment non-envisageable. Le 23 novembre 2013 22:09, Jean-Michel OLTRA jm.oltra.antis...@espinasse.net a écrit : Euh ? Pourquoi donc ? jm ...parce que Java c'est le *mal cf ces liens http://code.google.com/u/sylvain.bertrand/ http://www.legeek.net/ sylvain dot bertrand at gmail dot com (gmail c'est le *mal* aussi) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cafpklmllrgoxzci4km1yc1yym8btu7uquip8ky59tplzecx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [HS] la patate ?
Le Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:10:02 +0100, maderios a écrit : Je prélève sur ma récolte annuelle une centaine de petits tubercules de bien meilleure qualité que ce qui est vendu dans le commerce. Garanti bio 100%, donc non traité et sans maladie. Cela marche ainsi depuis des années, sans pesticides ou parasites. Tout dépend de l'équilibre biologique du sol. Quant à une éventuelle interdiction, aucune preuve. attention : http://www.senat.fr/questions/base/2013/qSEQ130707467.html -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52911e68$0$2388$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: Debian en perte de vitesse ?
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le 23/11/2013, Yves Rutschledebian.anti-s...@rutschle.net a écrit : Les logiciels commerciaux ont souvent eu tendance à n'aller que sur les distributions commerciales, Suse et Redhat en tête... ça doit faire 15 ans que ça dure. Euh, notons qu'il existe des distributions non-commerciales (en parallèle avec SuSE et RedHat) : OpenSuSE ( http://www.opensuse.org/ ) et Fedora ( http://fedoraproject.org/ ). D'ailleurs si voulez savoir sur mon expérience personnelle avec GNU/Linux, sachez qu'elle a commencé par SuSE (devenue par la suite OpenSuSE) que j'ai achetée en l'an 2000 et que j'ai utilisée pendant plus de 10 ans (à travers des versions successives, bien sûr) avant de passer à Debian à l'occasion de la sortie de Squeeze en tant que version stable. D'ailleurs, comme j'utilise le logiciel de virtualisation VirtualBox (fourni par Debian), il se pourrait que je revois mes premiers amours à travers une machine virtuelle. ;-) Mon expérience autour de moi, c'est que les gens essaient ceci et cela, et le jour où ils installent une Debian sur un serveur, elle reste (sur desktop, ils sont plus à même d'accepter de tout réinstaller à chaque changement de machine... chacun son truc). de tout réinstaller à chaque changement de machine : ben, quelque part, on est bien obligé, non ? Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caaqhxe5wsa4uqnppk9xrdtzs_uo+9oscrbuoffq+nkzjnb8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [HS] Internet par satellite
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:56:08 +0100 andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Je vois cette offre (je ne connais pas du tout ce FAI), 29,90 /mois + location parabole 10 Euro/mois + 50 Euro frais de dossier, trafic limité de 10 à 20 Go, download 20Mo, upload 2 à 6Mo Attention au diamètre de la parabole; comme pour une certaine chaîne crypté situé entre fr3 et fr5, ça n'est pas avec une assiette qu'on va recevoir (ni émettre) correctement le jour où il pleut des cordes (diamètre ~80cm mini). -- Helgrind Un gars du Ku Klux Klan, quand il est dépressif, il broie du noir ? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123231606.193415e9@anubis.defcon1
Re: [HS] Langages interprétés, vos avis
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:45:11 +0100 Basile Starynkevitch bas...@starynkevitch.net wrote: Pourquoi se restreindre aux langages *interprétés* pour coder un ERP...? Il me semble qu'Ocaml http://ocaml.org/ avec Ocsigen http://ocsigen.org/ d'une part, et Opa d'autre part http://opalang.org/ ferait l'un comme l'autre tout à fait l'affaire, et tous deux sont faits pour des applications web tels que les ERP. Il y a plusieurs avantages à utiliser un langage compilé comme Ocaml +Ocsigen ou Opa. D'abord, c'est généralement un peu plus efficace (encore que certains interprètes utilisent des techniques JIT qui peuvent être efficaces), et surtout, ces deux langages sont fortement typés et ça facilite la programmation (le typage fort trouve souvent les bogues triviaux à la compilation, ce qui facilite un peu la vie en forçant la discipline du programmeur, sans être miraculeux). 'ffectivement, je viens de me documenter un poil, ça paraît concis, très rapide et avoir une faible empreinte mémoire. Pas trouvé d'ORM autre que pour SQLite par contre, mais comme me l'a fait remarquer Sylvain, il est sans doute préférable que j'utilise le bon langage pour le bon secteur d'application. Et puis, cocorico, Ocaml+Ocsigen comme Opa sont des produits libres et français. http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2038036 est intéressant à lire, bien qu'il dise au moins une connerie à propos de l'immutabilité; mais il est intéressant de noter qu'il l'utilise aussi dans la compta. Il y a aussi Kaya http://kayalang.org/ en perte de vitesse et britannique. Donc je ne comprends pas pourquoi écarter les languages compilés. C'est vrai que je pensais à ça plus par facilité, mais rien que la faible qté de RAM consommée peut faire la différence, en plus de la vitesse. (Et je n'ai même pas parlé de common lisp avec SBCL http://sbcl.org/ qui compile en du code natif machine de manière incrémentale, Nan, j'y suis allergique depuis autocad (en 3 diskettes). ni de Haskell que je connais mal http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Web ...) Moinanplu, mais déjà sous sid, il semble beaucoup moins fourni en libs qu'ocaml. J'aurais bien aimé trouver des typages bornables comme sous ADA (genre: Temp [-20..45]) Merci. -- domi tiens regarde mon site : http://localhost:8080/ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123232818.7ba7e5c8@anubis.defcon1
Re: Rép : Debian en perte de vitesse ?
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le 23/11/2013, mi.de...@tinet.catmi.de...@tinet.cat a écrit : la com c'est du vent Pourquoi ? Debian, d'une certaine façon, fait aussi de la communication, la preuve (rien que sur son site Internet) : a) À propos de Debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/about . b) Raisons pour choisir Debian : http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian . Est-ce que c'est aussi du vent ? nous devons aller vers ceux qui ne font pas de pub, car nous la payons dans les prix. Et pour ceux qui bénéficie de la publicité gratuite genre bouche à l'oreille par exemple ? Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caaqhxe7l0+o-iqvvrpbng_98qr1aktroh0ffwed0azcqikq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [HS] Debian a-t-elle la patate ? [était] Re: Debian en perte de vitesse ?
En plus toutes les variétés de patates sont issues d'hybrides qui appartiennent à des sociétés commerciales. Impossible et interdit de multiplier soit-même ces variétés ... En plus, pour être vendue pour la plantation, une variété de patate doit être inscrite sur le catalogue des variétés: ce n'est ni simple, ni gratuit. Je pense même que le troc de patate-semence est interdit (si vous êtes jardinier averti et que vous voulez échanger vos trouvailles avec votre voisin) On est encore bien loin de la patate libre :-( Impossible et interdit de multiplier soit-même ces variétés ..., c'est inexact. Je cultive des patates depuis longtemps et comme beaucoup de jardiniers, je n'achète pas de plant. Je prélève sur ma récolte annuelle une centaine de petits tubercules de bien meilleure qualité que ce qui est vendu dans le commerce. Garanti bio 100%, donc non traité et sans maladie. Cela marche ainsi depuis des années, sans pesticides ou parasites. Tout dépend de l'équilibre biologique du sol. Quant à une éventuelle interdiction, aucune preuve. Ma patate préférée http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_%28pomme_de_terre%29 Tu as en partie raison, regarde bien le paragraphe A t-on le droit de ressemer sa récolte? de ce lien : http://www.semencespaysannes.org/reglementation_especes_vegetales_cultivees_qu_117.php Ainsi de nombreuses variétés de pomme de terre sont protégées par des COV français, et les producteurs faisant leurs semences de ferme sont régulièrement poursuivis pour contrefaçon. Depuis la loi COV de décembre 2011, la semence de ferme est toujours en principe interdite, sauf pour 21 espèces (voir ci dessus) et à condition de rémunérer l'obtenteur. La patate fait bien partie des 21 espèces donc elle n'est plus a priori interdite de ressemer depuis 2011, il te suffit donc de rémunérer l'obtenteur initial de ta patate (la multiplication de la patate étant végétative, la patate que tu cultives est un clone (=même individu) de la patate que tu as acheté initialement (la Nicola) Tu dois donc verser ton obole annuelle à Europlant Pflanzenzucht GmbH http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlant ...
Re: adaptador bluetooth
El Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:50:39 +, Lucho Lopez escribió: (...) * hciconfig hci0 piscan Can't set scan mode on hci0: Connection timed out (110) Ejecuta (en este orden) y manda la salida de los comandos: hciconfig hci0 down hciconfig hci0 up hciconfig -a hciconfig hci0 piscan dmesg | tail -30 No ha dado resultado... No tiene que resultar nada, son comandos de los que interesa ver la salida, nada más. Aunque curiosamente me tope con una herramieta que no habia visto antes... _hcidump_ que al ejecutar el escaneo en otro terminal me arrojo esto: (...) Ahora espero la salida de los comandos anteriores ;-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.11.23.14.26...@gmail.com
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
El día 22 de noviembre de 2013 16:45, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:33:47 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: Hola buenas, me voy a montar un servidor de correo para enredar un poquitito este fin de semana en casa. (...) Usaría: SMTP: postfix si o sí Y para LMTP también. IMAP: courier o dovecot ¿Has considerado Cyrus? O:-) No lo he considerado, te parece mejor opcion cyrus?? más seguro?? Por qué dovecot y no courier? He usado courier y va muy bien también. Entre tus dos opciones me quedo con Dovecot. WEBMAIL: roundcubemail, squirrelmail o horde. No te recomiendo ninguno porque no uso (ni permito) webmail. Sólo te recomendaría que eligieras un webmail que sea compatible 100% con el servidor imap que elijas para evitarte problemas. Pero si estoy en otro pc y no tengo un cliente de correo, me gustaría acceder via webmail. Me gusta roundcubemail aunque va más lentillo que squirrelmail por el php, roudcubemail con ajax va más lentillo. ANTISPAM: spamassasins Sí, funciona razonablemente bien. ANTIVIRUS: clamav, amavisd-new ClamAV es un AV, Amavisd-new actúa como una especie de pegamento entre todos los elementos del servicio de mensajería. Ambos me parecen buena opción. Me recomiendas algun panel web de administración para ver los correos retenidos, por spam, virus...etc? SERVIDOR WEB: me gustaría usar nginx, en su defecto apache. Apache2, como toma de contacto con la administración de un servidor web no me parece mala opción por la cantidad de ayuda, tutoriales y documentación que existe. Estoy de acuerdo, hay más documentación y a priori es más fácil...Hasta que usas nginx, es muy facilito de configurar, su archivo de configuración también es muy fácil y cad avez se implementa mucho más... Según reviews y comparativas, le da unas cuantas pataditas a apache en performance. BAKEND: mysql Hum... siempre que se trate de un número reducido, yo prefiero otro sistema de gestión de usuarios. Mysql me parece ideal, también tendré owncloud, phpmyalbum, y necesitaré mysql para realizar unas pruebas así que me viene al pairo mysql para todo. Por experiencia que ya lo he montado antes por piezas, sé que amavisd y clamav pesan como vacas...y la maquinilla no es muy potente. Pero lo que quiero es más que nada por aprender. Usan mucha RAM, cierto. CPU también, al menos clamav. Muchos de ustedes estarán de acuerdo conmigo en que cuando te lo gestiona un panel como ispconfig, zimbra...No tienes el total control como cuando lo montas por piezas...Te añaden configuración por defectos en los ficheros de configuración... Personalmente huyo de soluciones premontadas, sólo me lo plantearía si tuviera que gestionar un servicio de hosting con miles de usuarios, para facilitar el montaje. Para aprender un bueno y bien, mejor configurar los servicios por separado. Estoy de acuerdo, lo montaré a piezas, por trozos jeje se aprende más y te queda a tu gusto. Saludos, -- Camaleón Gracias por todo Camaleón como siempre. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.11.22.15.45...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caj2aoa_rqp8ufywk+ozohdbmzku+ytsruxetg7f-hyynaew...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
El día 22 de noviembre de 2013 16:50, Yoandy Madrazo Gómez yoa...@astisur.alinet.cu escribió: El 22/11/2013 10:33 am, Maykel Franco escribió: Hola buenas, me voy a montar un servidor de correo para enredar un poquitito este fin de semana en casa. Quería pedir consejo, porque me gustaría que tuviera aparte de webmail, imap, smtp, backend usuarios mysql por ejemplo, que también tuviera antispam, antivirus... He pensado en ispconfig, pero también esta la opción de montarmelo en zimbra(aunque muy pesado el ajax) o montarme las piezas manualmente tirando de algún tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-courier-mysql-and-squirrelmail-debian-wheezy No trato de que me digan como se monta, para eso estoy yo, lo que quiero es consejo porque me gustaría que fuera ligerito y no fuera muy pesado... Usaría: SMTP: postfix si o sí IMAP: courier o dovecot WEBMAIL: roundcubemail, squirrelmail o horde. ANTISPAM: spamassasins ANTIVIRUS: clamav, amavisd-new SERVIDOR WEB: me gustaría usar nginx, en su defecto apache. BAKEND: mysql Por experiencia que ya lo he montado antes por piezas, sé que amavisd y clamav pesan como vacas...y la maquinilla no es muy potente. Pero lo que quiero es más que nada por aprender. Muchos de ustedes estarán de acuerdo conmigo en que cuando te lo gestiona un panel como ispconfig, zimbra...No tienes el total control como cuando lo montas por piezas...Te añaden configuración por defectos en los ficheros de configuración... Cualquier sugerencia se agradece. Saludos. Puedes usar Iredmail, es bastante bueno. Sí lo probé hace tiempo, pero la versión opensource viene muy limitadita...no puede shacer apenas nada en el panel de control y además huyo un poco de los paneles de control, si puedo claro, depende de la necesidad. Lo que me gusta de iredmail es que te permitía configurarte el backend con ldap, que para mi parecer ldap es uno de los servicios más difíciles y complejos de configurar/adminsitrar. Gracias por tu consejo/sugernecia. Saludos, Yoandy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528f7d54.4050...@astisur.alinet.cu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJ2aOA9cFS8qJSccXpz285zgd++9kBS=fttz391dnv3sv5i...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
El día 23 de noviembre de 2013 15:34, Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 22 de noviembre de 2013 16:50, Yoandy Madrazo Gómez yoa...@astisur.alinet.cu escribió: El 22/11/2013 10:33 am, Maykel Franco escribió: Hola buenas, me voy a montar un servidor de correo para enredar un poquitito este fin de semana en casa. Quería pedir consejo, porque me gustaría que tuviera aparte de webmail, imap, smtp, backend usuarios mysql por ejemplo, que también tuviera antispam, antivirus... He pensado en ispconfig, pero también esta la opción de montarmelo en zimbra(aunque muy pesado el ajax) o montarme las piezas manualmente tirando de algún tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-courier-mysql-and-squirrelmail-debian-wheezy No trato de que me digan como se monta, para eso estoy yo, lo que quiero es consejo porque me gustaría que fuera ligerito y no fuera muy pesado... Usaría: SMTP: postfix si o sí IMAP: courier o dovecot WEBMAIL: roundcubemail, squirrelmail o horde. ANTISPAM: spamassasins ANTIVIRUS: clamav, amavisd-new SERVIDOR WEB: me gustaría usar nginx, en su defecto apache. BAKEND: mysql Por experiencia que ya lo he montado antes por piezas, sé que amavisd y clamav pesan como vacas...y la maquinilla no es muy potente. Pero lo que quiero es más que nada por aprender. Muchos de ustedes estarán de acuerdo conmigo en que cuando te lo gestiona un panel como ispconfig, zimbra...No tienes el total control como cuando lo montas por piezas...Te añaden configuración por defectos en los ficheros de configuración... Cualquier sugerencia se agradece. Saludos. Puedes usar Iredmail, es bastante bueno. Sí lo probé hace tiempo, pero la versión opensource viene muy limitadita...no puede shacer apenas nada en el panel de control y además huyo un poco de los paneles de control, si puedo claro, depende de la necesidad. Lo que me gusta de iredmail es que te permitía configurarte el backend con ldap, que para mi parecer ldap es uno de los servicios más difíciles y complejos de configurar/adminsitrar. Gracias por tu consejo/sugernecia. Saludos, Yoandy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528f7d54.4050...@astisur.alinet.cu Umm me gusta mucho este tuto, tiene todo lo que necesito, lo comparto con ustedes: http://www.xenlens.com/debian-wheezy-mail-server-postfix-dovecot-sasl-mysql-postfixadmin-roundcube-spamassassin-clamav-greylist-nginx-php5/ Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caj2aoa9rdn-9ribcdpbbt83ffotj7binx6xp8zjkngsvsur...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mensaje de acpid al cambiar a una terminal tty
El Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:53:08 -0600, Marcos Delgado escribió: El día 22 de noviembre de 2013 10:30, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Prueba con locate syslog No tengo instalado locate, pero a ver si un find sirve: find / -iname *syslog* Mejor. /var/log/syslog.5.gz /var/log/syslog.0 /var/log/syslog.4.gz /var/log/syslog.2.gz /var/log/syslog.1.gz /var/log/installer/syslog /var/log/syslog /var/log/syslog.3.gz Me sigue pareciendo rara tu salida, como si faltaran datos. Además, dices que no tienes instalado ningún servicio de registro de eventos (rsyslog, syslog, syslog-ng, systemd...), ni tampoco locate que son paquetes casi esenciales en cualquier sistema. No veo ningún ejecutable. Yo tampoco, pero sí veo actividad de un servicio de registro de eventos. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.11.23.14.56...@gmail.com
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
Umm me gusta mucho este tuto, tiene todo lo que necesito, lo comparto con ustedes: http://www.xenlens.com/debian-wheezy-mail-server-postfix-dovecot-sasl-mysql-postfixadmin-roundcube-spamassassin-clamav-greylist-nginx-php5/ Saludos. Colaboro con uno tuto que siempre uso como base, es muy útil y muy bien explicado [1] al igual que el que compartió Maykel. Si bien está basado en lenny los paquetes siguen siendo los mismos. [1] http://gogs.info/wiki/debian/postfix -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CA+wiXxiGPGzS_mUvv1LBUJ6VCkc-TCj54-s=_cyyzgfktsv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
El Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:32:40 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 22 de noviembre de 2013 16:45, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) ¿Has considerado Cyrus? O:-) No lo he considerado, te parece mejor opcion cyrus?? más seguro?? Cuando hace 8 años buscada el compañero perfecto para mi Postfix, me di de bruces con Cyrus. En la documentación se podía leer (bueno, puede, porque veo que aún sigue ahí) Not for beginners., y yo que era novata total, dije: este es el mío :-P Ahora en serio, lo elegí porque buscaba un servidor imap/pop3 que no usara la base de datos de usuarios del sistema, quería independencia total. Cuando empecé a leer sobre Cyrus vi que era un monstruo que aguantaba todo tipo de configuraciones y cargas de trabajo, preparado para configuraciones en HA y desarrollado por una institución de prestigio. Me lo quedé... y con él sigo hasta hoy. Por qué dovecot y no courier? He usado courier y va muy bien también. Porque sólo permite imap/pop3, mientras que Courier-IMAP también dispone de smtp y no me gustaría que se diera de tortas con Postfix. Sólo lo pondría como solución única, es decir, que él solo se encargara de todo el meollo: smtp/pop3/imap/webmail. Entre tus dos opciones me quedo con Dovecot. WEBMAIL: roundcubemail, squirrelmail o horde. No te recomiendo ninguno porque no uso (ni permito) webmail. Sólo te recomendaría que eligieras un webmail que sea compatible 100% con el servidor imap que elijas para evitarte problemas. Pero si estoy en otro pc y no tengo un cliente de correo, me gustaría acceder via webmail. Para eso no necesitas un webmail. Ya tienes imap, recuerda ;-) Me gusta roundcubemail aunque va más lentillo que squirrelmail por el php, roudcubemail con ajax va más lentillo. Roundcube es más agradable, visualmente hablando, pero asegúrate la compatibilidad con el servidor pop3/imap, no olvides que el webmail es sólo la máscara que ve el usuario, pero detrás va a estar el servicio que hace el trabajo real. (...) Me recomiendas algun panel web de administración para ver los correos retenidos, por spam, virus...etc? Yo no uso ninguno, no me fío mucho de las GUI para configurar servicios serios, pero si tuviera que elegir alguna solución quizá iría por webmin aunque no sé si permite ver las colas de los mensajes. SERVIDOR WEB: me gustaría usar nginx, en su defecto apache. Apache2, como toma de contacto con la administración de un servidor web no me parece mala opción por la cantidad de ayuda, tutoriales y documentación que existe. Estoy de acuerdo, hay más documentación y a priori es más fácil...Hasta que usas nginx, es muy facilito de configurar, su archivo de configuración también es muy fácil y cad avez se implementa mucho más... Según reviews y comparativas, le da unas cuantas pataditas a apache en performance. Para un uso casero el rendimiento no debería ser un factor decisivo ;-) BAKEND: mysql Hum... siempre que se trate de un número reducido, yo prefiero otro sistema de gestión de usuarios. Mysql me parece ideal, también tendré owncloud, phpmyalbum, y necesitaré mysql para realizar unas pruebas así que me viene al pairo mysql para todo. ¿Y LDAP? A mí es que me gusta tener cada servicio por separado, para que en el caso de fallo de alguno de ellos no me deje tirado todo (es decir, que si cae la bdd el correo electrónico siga operativo). Por experiencia que ya lo he montado antes por piezas, sé que amavisd y clamav pesan como vacas...y la maquinilla no es muy potente. Pero lo que quiero es más que nada por aprender. Usan mucha RAM, cierto. CPU también, al menos clamav. Es posible... lo tengo ejecutándose en un dos Xeones y claro, en cuanto a CPU ni se entera, pero el uso de RAM sí porque se la asigna y ya no la libera. (...) Personalmente huyo de soluciones premontadas, sólo me lo plantearía si tuviera que gestionar un servicio de hosting con miles de usuarios, para facilitar el montaje. Para aprender un bueno y bien, mejor configurar los servicios por separado. Estoy de acuerdo, lo montaré a piezas, por trozos jeje se aprende más y te queda a tu gusto. Sí, además es lo que te decía antes: si cae postfix los usuarios pueden seguir accediendo a su correo vía imap limitando los daños en caso de problemas. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.11.23.15.24...@gmail.com
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
El día 23 de noviembre de 2013 16:24, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:32:40 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 22 de noviembre de 2013 16:45, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) ¿Has considerado Cyrus? O:-) No lo he considerado, te parece mejor opcion cyrus?? más seguro?? Cuando hace 8 años buscada el compañero perfecto para mi Postfix, me di de bruces con Cyrus. En la documentación se podía leer (bueno, puede, porque veo que aún sigue ahí) Not for beginners., y yo que era novata total, dije: este es el mío :-P Ahora en serio, lo elegí porque buscaba un servidor imap/pop3 que no usara la base de datos de usuarios del sistema, quería independencia total. Cuando empecé a leer sobre Cyrus vi que era un monstruo que aguantaba todo tipo de configuraciones y cargas de trabajo, preparado para configuraciones en HA y desarrollado por una institución de prestigio. Me lo quedé... y con él sigo hasta hoy. Muy atrevida jejeje. Así mola. Por qué dovecot y no courier? He usado courier y va muy bien también. Porque sólo permite imap/pop3, mientras que Courier-IMAP también dispone de smtp y no me gustaría que se diera de tortas con Postfix. Vale, eso me convence. Usaré dovecot. Has visto el enlace que he puesto? Me parece gran tuto. Sólo lo pondría como solución única, es decir, que él solo se encargara de todo el meollo: smtp/pop3/imap/webmail. Entre tus dos opciones me quedo con Dovecot. WEBMAIL: roundcubemail, squirrelmail o horde. No te recomiendo ninguno porque no uso (ni permito) webmail. Sólo te recomendaría que eligieras un webmail que sea compatible 100% con el servidor imap que elijas para evitarte problemas. Pero si estoy en otro pc y no tengo un cliente de correo, me gustaría acceder via webmail. Para eso no necesitas un webmail. Ya tienes imap, recuerda ;-) Si tengo imap, pero necesitaré algún mecanismo/cliente para poder conectarme. Y usar un navegador me parece muy rápido, con https y todo el rollo. Además el webmail puede estar en otra máquina. Me gusta roundcubemail aunque va más lentillo que squirrelmail por el php, roudcubemail con ajax va más lentillo. Roundcube es más agradable, visualmente hablando, pero asegúrate la compatibilidad con el servidor pop3/imap, no olvides que el webmail es sólo la máscara que ve el usuario, pero detrás va a estar el servicio que hace el trabajo real. Roudcube lo he usado con courier y dovecot. En teoría, ninguna pega. (...) Me recomiendas algun panel web de administración para ver los correos retenidos, por spam, virus...etc? Yo no uso ninguno, no me fío mucho de las GUI para configurar servicios serios, pero si tuviera que elegir alguna solución quizá iría por webmin aunque no sé si permite ver las colas de los mensajes. Webmin es uno de los que nom e gusta. No sé actualmente como estará pero dejaba comentarios y enguarreba bastante los cfg de los servicios. Si desde webmin puedes ver la cola de mensajes. De hecho, el apartado postfix en webmin es bastante completito. SERVIDOR WEB: me gustaría usar nginx, en su defecto apache. Apache2, como toma de contacto con la administración de un servidor web no me parece mala opción por la cantidad de ayuda, tutoriales y documentación que existe. Estoy de acuerdo, hay más documentación y a priori es más fácil...Hasta que usas nginx, es muy facilito de configurar, su archivo de configuración también es muy fácil y cad avez se implementa mucho más... Según reviews y comparativas, le da unas cuantas pataditas a apache en performance. Para un uso casero el rendimiento no debería ser un factor decisivo ;-) Cierto ya que lo voy a usar sólo yo, pero créeme nginx se nota mcho. BAKEND: mysql Hum... siempre que se trate de un número reducido, yo prefiero otro sistema de gestión de usuarios. Mysql me parece ideal, también tendré owncloud, phpmyalbum, y necesitaré mysql para realizar unas pruebas así que me viene al pairo mysql para todo. ¿Y LDAP? A mí es que me gusta tener cada servicio por separado, para que en el caso de fallo de alguno de ellos no me deje tirado todo (es decir, que si cae la bdd el correo electrónico siga operativo). Si esto me recuerda mucho al active directory de microsoft, que centralizas todos los servicios contra active directory y cuando se cae plofff todo a tomar por...saco. Por experiencia que ya lo he montado antes por piezas, sé que amavisd y clamav pesan como vacas...y la maquinilla no es muy potente. Pero lo que quiero es más que nada por aprender. Usan mucha RAM, cierto. CPU también, al menos clamav. Es posible... lo tengo ejecutándose en un dos Xeones y claro, en cuanto a CPU ni se entera, pero el uso de RAM sí porque se la asigna y ya no la libera. (...) Personalmente huyo de soluciones premontadas, sólo me lo plantearía si tuviera que gestionar un servicio de hosting con miles de usuarios, para facilitar el montaje. Para aprender un bueno
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
El Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:59:58 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 23 de noviembre de 2013 16:24, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Por qué dovecot y no courier? He usado courier y va muy bien también. Porque sólo permite imap/pop3, mientras que Courier-IMAP también dispone de smtp y no me gustaría que se diera de tortas con Postfix. Vale, eso me convence. Usaré dovecot. Has visto el enlace que he puesto? Me parece gran tuto. (...) Sí, lo he visto, muy cuco. Sólo le falta Amavisd-new (veo que prefiere usar milters a gogo junto con el binomio spamd/spamc pero estos dos no te los recomiendo) y su configuración no es moco de pavo :-) Pero si estoy en otro pc y no tengo un cliente de correo, me gustaría acceder via webmail. Para eso no necesitas un webmail. Ya tienes imap, recuerda ;-) Si tengo imap, pero necesitaré algún mecanismo/cliente para poder conectarme. Y usar un navegador me parece muy rápido, con https y todo el rollo. Además el webmail puede estar en otra máquina. (...) Cualquier cliente de correo con imap. Sí, ya lo sé, es más sencillo iniciar el navegador y a correr pero también añades dos capas adicionales de vulnerabilidad (el navegador y el webmail) :-) Me recomiendas algun panel web de administración para ver los correos retenidos, por spam, virus...etc? Yo no uso ninguno, no me fío mucho de las GUI para configurar servicios serios, pero si tuviera que elegir alguna solución quizá iría por webmin aunque no sé si permite ver las colas de los mensajes. Webmin es uno de los que nom e gusta. No sé actualmente como estará pero dejaba comentarios y enguarreba bastante los cfg de los servicios. Si desde webmin puedes ver la cola de mensajes. De hecho, el apartado postfix en webmin es bastante completito. (...) Toda aplicación con GUI es susceptible de dejarte los archivos de configuración hechos un desastre por eso para instalaciones sencillas de pocos usuarios prefiero hacer los cambios manualmente, añadiendo comentarios en los mismos archivos de configuración explicando el motivo del cambio. ¿Y LDAP? A mí es que me gusta tener cada servicio por separado, para que en el caso de fallo de alguno de ellos no me deje tirado todo (es decir, que si cae la bdd el correo electrónico siga operativo). Si esto me recuerda mucho al active directory de microsoft, que centralizas todos los servicios contra active directory y cuando se cae plofff todo a tomar por...saco. Algo así. La centralización es una ayuda para el administrador pero tienes que pensar en un plan B por si el servidor primario que facilita ese recurso centralizado está inaccesible o se cae. Por ese motivo prefiero separar los servicios siempre y cuando su administración no resulte un impedimento aún mayor. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.11.23.17.30...@gmail.com
Re: Consejo sobre servidor de correo para uso doméstico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:12:09 -0200 Guido Ignacio guidoigna...@gmail.com wrote: Umm me gusta mucho este tuto, tiene todo lo que necesito, lo comparto con ustedes: http://www.xenlens.com/debian-wheezy-mail-server-postfix-dovecot-sasl-mysql-postfixadmin-roundcube-spamassassin-clamav-greylist-nginx-php5/ Saludos. Colaboro con uno tuto que siempre uso como base, es muy útil y muy bien explicado [1] al igual que el que compartió Maykel. Si bien está basado en lenny los paquetes siguen siendo los mismos. [1] http://gogs.info/wiki/debian/postfix Sin poder aconsejar debido a mi falta de experiencia , añado otro tutorial que además van actualizando desde el 2004 , la última vez es de este año, y ahora está orientado para Ubuntu, con lo que supongo no será demasiado difícil adaptarlo a mamá : http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ Ánimo y un saludo - -- Pedro Gras GPG key: 0x3A146D41 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJSkPtxAAoJEBiqlWM6FG1BDjgH/in5AVGZvDfKiEfPVm1O+iu5 INQcOYlU8BRsw95wgn7Td/kYMt1qnGGXqJJ7s/tVxdl0CerLxAwzopq7e6Raczqf sxoHuG9rkYhqd37OdSHVKQAeCIioEHVMcrKkj5l+kdf8z2B8/sSSsql/USLR6exG xMmx+qOO3NqQjM2/c8tQAwlnnw5MYT54K32r4P+BVTDlwhra/SuIDeRwLmolfBNb 08lDs4J65v27FznVBv+VwbQNMguC8FErNpu9UmRlT5aoqJYu0m/VVz/a3zoho/Dt UZy/fh2+qIJLWGKpWgPvIGrOzORr1pLgkScfhwB885RuB5wFNcxGf8RlQ8mVKrE= =AkD4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mensaje de acpid al cambiar a una terminal tty
2013/11/22 Marcos Delgado juanm...@gmail.com: ls /etc/rsyslog.conf ls: no se puede acceder a /etc/rsyslog.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio ls /etc/default/rsyslog ls: no se puede acceder a /etc/default/rsyslog: No existe el fichero o el directorio Rsyslog es el demonio de syslog por omisión de Debian pero ciertamente no el único. Probablemente tienes instalado algún otro. Un `apt-cache search syslogd` te da la lista de los que hay, chequea si tienes instalado algún otro. O tal vez ninguno, por lo que veo con `aptitude why rsyslogd` solo esta como recomendación para otros paquetes, intenta instalaro si es así. -- A menudo unas pocas horas de Prueba y error podrán ahorrarte minutos de leer manuales. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAABYcjMBk=U6t=3pVpnE=8ipixrJX=dyjd+f1xzm+kbhog+...@mail.gmail.com
Instalé Debian y desapareció Windows
Hola chicos. Pues como el título lo dice, instalé Debian 7 y no aparece la opción de arrancar Windows 7 home premiun. Tengo un disco duro de 1 Gb, y antes instalar Debian le hice su espacio para montarlo, o sea que debian se monto en una partición vacía, no toqué a a la partición de Windows para nada. Información: el paquete grub2, aparece como no instalado en Synaptic, y el paquete os-prober version 1.58 esta instalado. Les agradecería muchísimo que ayudaran a solucionar esto porque cada rato me echan la bronca por el condenado Windows. :( Alberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bay179-w6215fd03b3a63b7278d74cc3...@phx.gbl
Re: Instalé Debian y desapareció Windows
On 23/11/13 02:09 PM, alberto moreno martinez wrote: Hola chicos. Pues como el título lo dice, instalé Debian 7 y no aparece la opción de arrancar Windows 7 home premiun. Tengo un disco duro de 1 Gb, y antes instalar Debian le hice su espacio para montarlo, o sea que debian se monto en una partición vacía, no toqué a a la partición de Windows para nada. Información: el paquete grub2, aparece como no instalado en Synaptic, y el paquete os-prober version 1.58 esta instalado. Les agradecería muchísimo que ayudaran a solucionar esto porque cada rato me echan la bronca por el condenado Windows. :( Alberto Te respondo, solo por que estas apurado; yo no uso Grub, uso LiLO. como root: # update-grub o grub-update Si mal no recuerdo, lei que hay que entrar a Debian y correr ese comando. suerte. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Duda al bajar ISO netinst ¿amd64 ó i386? [RE SOL UCIONA DO]
El 22/11/2013 01:12 p.m., Camaleón escribió: El Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:30:46 -0300, Ariel Martin Bellio escribió: Tengo un host con este micro: (...) En un sitio [1] mencionan que si en los flag sale algo con lm (long mode) es de 64 bits... ¿es verdad? Sí. En caso de ser así debería bajar la ISO netinst amd64 para un Intel ¿? No necesariamente. Que tu micro admita las extensiones de 64 bits no significa que tú las necesites ;-) ¿Cuánta RAM tienes instalada y qué uso piensas darle al equipo? Saludos, Tiene 1Gb de RAM pero va a reemplazar a un servidorsito con 512Mb de RAM con el siguiente cpu: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 7 model name : AMD Duron(tm) stepping: 0 cpu MHz : 1200.082 cache size : 64 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up bogomips: 2400.16 clflush size: 32 cache_alignment : 32 address sizes : 34 bits physical, 32 bits virtual power management: ts que funciona perfecto con virtualmin/webmin/usermin y con esto unos cuantos servicios, menos el tincd que se cae solo... además el gabinete que tiene al ser de 3 bahías (donde irían los CD-ROM/DVD o discos rigidos extraibles) tiene la fuente para abajo entonces recalienta (esta funcionando semi desarmado) igual la ISO netinst que hay ahora sirve para las 2 arquitecturas así que se va a instalar lo que va... por eso este caso está solucionado. Te respondo por cortesía. Saludos y gracias! --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protección de avast! Antivirus está activa. http://www.avast.com attachment: sisisisol.vcf
Re: [Off Topic] lists.debian.org has received bounces from you
Bom dia Todos Recebi esta notificação, e meu email tbm esta no gmail. Esta acontecendo algum problema de recebimento no gmail? On 11/22/2013 11:45 AM, Samir Patrice wrote: Também recebi, algum problema relacionado com o gmail. 2013/11/22 P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com mailto:pjotam...@gmail.com http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/2012/12/msg00081.html https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ 2013/11/22 Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.com mailto:sh11td...@gmail.com: Ufa, Achei que era só comigo. kkk 2013/11/22 Mauricio S. T. Neto mstn...@gmail.com mailto:mstn...@gmail.com Uma coisa estranha que percebi é que estou com dificuldades para receber email no smartfone. Não esta sincronizando automaticamente. Em 22-11-2013 09:21, China escreveu: Eu também, parece coisa do Gmail. 2013/11/22 Patrick El Youssef wushumast...@gmail.com mailto:wushumast...@gmail.com: Recebi a mesma coisa Em 21-11-2013 18:22, Mauricio S. T. Neto escreveu: Amigos da lista alguém sabe me informar por que isso acontece? Obrigado Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress mstn...@gmail.com mailto:mstn...@gmail.com. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user-portuguese 1 bounce out of 34 mails in 7 days (2%, kick-score is 80%) (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/5E6j4qwrwgqzPJaKzqdlZQ) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org http://bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. For more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528ec756.40...@gmail.com -- Mauricio S.T. Neto mstn...@gmail.com mailto:mstn...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528f4d79.6050...@gmail.com -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacnf0pgokoivv62wrxsrkztm0avrwq2nu8k8npqfe53xg...@mail.gmail.com -- Samir Patrice Analista de Rede -- Magno Miguel Praia Grande -SP Linux User Técnico em Rede Administrador Servidores Linux
Re: [Off Topic] lists.debian.org has received bounces from you
Não é no gmail porque eu recebo isso também. Acredito que não seja problema, porque 'bounces' significa algumas coisas que talvez se refiram à 'movimentação' da lista... "Movimentação recebida" ou algo assim.. http://translate.google.com.br/#en/pt/bounces Att. De: Magno mgnmig...@gmail.com Enviada: Sábado, 23 de Novembro de 2013 08:08Para: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.orgAssunto: Re: [Off Topic] lists.debian.org has received bounces from you Bom dia Todos Recebi esta notificação, e meu email tbm esta no gmail. Esta acontecendo algum problema de recebimento no gmail? On 11/22/2013 11:45 AM, Samir Patrice wrote: Também recebi, algum problema relacionado com o gmail. 2013/11/22 P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/2012/12/msg00081.html https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ 2013/11/22 Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.com: Ufa, Achei que era só comigo. kkk 2013/11/22 Mauricio S. T. Neto mstn...@gmail.com Uma coisa estranha que percebi é que estou com dificuldades para receber email no smartfone. Não esta sincronizando automaticamente. Em 22-11-2013 09:21, China escreveu: Eu também, parece coisa do Gmail. 2013/11/22 Patrick El Youssef wushumast...@gmail.com: Recebi a mesma coisa Em 21-11-2013 18:22, Mauricio S. T. Neto escreveu: Amigos da lista alguém sabe me informar por que isso acontece? Obrigado< br /> Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress mstn...@gmail.com. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user-portuguese 1 bounce out of 34 mails in 7 days (2%, kick-score is 80%) (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/5E6j4qwrwgqzPJaKzqdlZQ) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-s core, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. For more inform ation see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528ec756.40...@gmail.com -- Mauricio S.T. Neto mstn...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528f4d79.6050...@gmail.com -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacnf0pgokoivv62wrxsrkztm0avrwq2nu8k8npqfe53xg...@mail.gmail.com -- Samir Patrice Analista de Rede -- Magno Miguel Praia Grande -SP Linux User Técnico em Rede Administrador Servidores Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290bc3bbd61_406987f792c610@a4-winter10.tmail
Erro ao logar Win 7 no PDC samba 3.6.6
Boa tarde Pessoal! Estou levantando um novo servidor controlador de domínio com o samba 3.6.6, as estações com o Win XP estão logando normalmente porém as estações com o WIn 7 eu consigo fazer com que elas enxerguem o DOMÍNIO ingressarem no DOMÍNIO normalmente mas após a reinicialização quando tento logar com um usuário do domínio está dando o erro: *Falha de relação de confiança entre a esta estação e o domínio primário*. Fiz tudo o que aconselharam tanto no VOL quanto em outros artigos encontrados na internet já alterei as devidas chaves no registro do windows 7 mas esse erro continua. O curioso é que no meu ambiente de trabalho fiz esse mesmíssimo teste com o mesmíssimo smb.conf e as estações win 7 estão logando normalmente. Não estou entendendo nada, alguém poderia me ajudar?
Re: [Off Topic] lists.debian.org has received bounces from you
Ja recebi isso antes, e ja me explicaram o que era, mas nao lembro, mas posso garantir uma coisa pra voces, deixem isso pra la, isso nao e nada =D Como diz a propria mensagem: However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. Traduzindo, voce pode seguramente ignorar esta mensagem ( e voce nao sera excluido da lista) se seu score for baixo Terminando, esquece isso galera. hehehe 2013/11/23 thiago.zoroastro thiago.zoroas...@bol.com.br Não é no gmail porque eu recebo isso também. Acredito que não seja problema, porque 'bounces' significa algumas coisas que talvez se refiram à 'movimentação' da lista... Movimentação recebida ou algo assim.. http://translate.google.com.br/#en/pt/bounces Att. -- *De:* Magno mgnmig...@gmail.com *Enviada:* Sábado, 23 de Novembro de 2013 08:08 *Para:* debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org *Assunto:* Re: [Off Topic] lists.debian.org has received bounces from you Bom dia Todos Recebi esta notificação, e meu email tbm esta no gmail. Esta acontecendo algum problema de recebimento no gmail? On 11/22/2013 11:45 AM, Samir Patrice wrote: Também recebi, algum problema relacionado com o gmail. 2013/11/22 P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/2012/12/msg00081.html https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ 2013/11/22 Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.com: Ufa, Achei que era só comigo. kkk 2013/11/22 Mauricio S. T. Neto mstn...@gmail.com Uma coisa estranha que percebi é que estou com dificuldades para receber email no smartfone. Não esta sincronizando automaticamente. Em 22-11-2013 09:21, China escreveu: Eu também, parece coisa do Gmail. 2013/11/22 Patrick El Youssef wushumast...@gmail.com: Recebi a mesma coisa Em 21-11-2013 18:22, Mauricio S. T. Neto escreveu: Amigos da lista alguém sabe me informar por que isso acontece? Obrigado br / Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress mstn...@gmail.com. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user-portuguese 1 bounce out of 34 mails in 7 days (2%, kick-score is 80%) (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/5E6j4qwrwgqzPJaKzqdlZQ) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-s core, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. For more inform ation see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528ec756.40...@gmail.com -- Mauricio S.T. Neto mstn...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528f4d79.6050...@gmail.com -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cacnf0pgokoivv62wrxsrkztm0avrwq2nu8k8npqfe53xg...@mail.gmail.com -- Samir Patrice Analista de Rede -- Magno Miguel Praia Grande -SP Linux User Técnico em Rede Administrador Servidores Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290bc3bbd61_406987f792c610@a4-winter10.tmail
Re: Script to tell if Qpopper is running.
Pol, Thanks for the hint... mon just alerts you, I have a program that does that already BUT monit looks like it might work! Again, thanks! Ken On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Pol Hallen wrote: Has anyone written a script that will run under a cron job that checks to make sure that the pop3 server is running and if not will restart it? apt-get install mon Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528fe336.1050...@fuckaround.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.lnx.4.64.1311230041090.14...@mail.pcez.com
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
Hi Andrew, hi all, I understand that Debian has a bunch of vulnerabilities as described in the following PDF. http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~xi/papers/stack-sosp13.pdf Just a small quote: This paper presents the first systematic approach for reasoning about and detecting unstable code. We implement this approach in a static checker called Stack, and use it to show that unstable code is present in a wide range of systems software, including the Linux kernel and the Postgres database. We estimate that unstable code exists in 40% of the 8,575 Debian Wheezy packages that contain C/C++ code. We also show that compilers are increasingly taking advantage of undefined behavior for optimizations, leading to more vulnerabilities related to unstable code. This should be taken with a grain of salt. (I'm doing research in the area of automated software analysis myself.) It clearly is a well-written paper with a nice tool. Yet unstable code results from code that would otherwise be considered bogus anyway (they give a nice list in Figure 3 in their paper), thus it is not necessarily the case that compilers introduce completely new bugs - they just might make the existing ones worse. The use of the term vulnerabilities could be very misleading here: not all bugs yield security issues - many of them might just lead to unexpected behaviour, and not be exploitable to gain elevated privileges or the like. Consider the fact that Debian's source packages contain more than 200 million lines of code. If we trust Steve McConnell's Code Complete book, industry average lies at 15-50 errors per 1000 lines of code, which is more than 1 in 100 lines. In a very simplified way of reasoning, I'd dare to conclude that at least 2 million further bugs remain to be discovered. This looks very serious indeed, but a quick search of Debian mailing lists didn't show anything being acknowledged for this issue should Debian users be concerned? Probably not more than before, but as much as always: you are using code that hasn't be proved to be correct. But with open-source software at least you know what code you are using, and which bugs are being found. Hope this helps, Michael pgpBNu5wEeJR_.pgp Description: PGP signature
php 5.2 on debian wheezy
All, An application we're using is in need for php5.2 and we lack the time to make it work with the latest version. google search shows a lot of 5.3 to 5.2 downgrade for squeeze but not for wheezy naturally. May i ask if anyone has done so recently, and if you could provide a how to? Thanks
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Michael Tautschnig m...@debian.org wrote: This looks very serious indeed, but a quick search of Debian mailing lists didn't show anything being acknowledged for this issue should Debian users be concerned? Probably not more than before, but as much as always: you are using code that hasn't be proved to be correct. But with open-source software at least you know what code you are using, and which bugs are being found. What I have told people in presentations is that the only truly secure computer is one that is turned off, unplugged, packed in concrete, and fired into the sun. Any program at a level not very much above Hello World in the language of your choice is likely to have bugs. I mean, you would have to swear off all software, turn off your computers, get rid of your cell phone, etc. At this point, I'm not quite willing to go that far. As Michael said, it's something to be aware of, but not something to keep you awake at night worrying. --b
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
Deja gnu? On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: Hi, The following link shows the issue in a nutshell: http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c [it refers to the PDF that I mentioned] -- Kind Regards AndrewM I seem to remember discussing the strange optimizations that optimized away range checks because the code that was being firewalled had to be correct. Ten years ago, it was engineers that understood pointers but didn't understand logic. This time around, maybe it's a new generation of sophomoric programmers, or maybe we have moles in our ranks. The sky is not falling, but it sounds like I don't want to waste my time with Clang yet. And I probably need to go make myself persona non-grata again in some C language forums -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43io_4l7+vil8vqzpzro+fdm1vhpphepomp88hiwbn+f...@mail.gmail.com
Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox
Hi Members, I would like to run Debian and test new software packages utilizing Debian as a virtual environment. inside my Windows 7 OS. I would like to be able to install Debian in this fashion and have the ability to utilize a Debian GUI desktop as well. Question #1 please: Would kindly like to know if Oracle's VM VirtualBox is the recommended virtualization software package to install to accomplish this procedure. Question #2 please: Which Stable version of Debian (Squeeze or Wheezy) is recommended that would best serve this purpose? I have been reading about VirtualBox and studying the steps involved to install Debian in this manner. I'm sure I will have additional questions but would simply like to start with my initial questions above. A couple of how-to links I've discovered: Installing with a GUI desktop: https://jtreminio.com/2012/07/setting-up-a-debian-vm-step-by-step/ Installing without a GUI desktop http://williamjturkel.net/2013/05/31/installing-debian-linux-in-a-vm/ Thank you
beaglebone black lxde hdmi problem
dear folks, installed debian wheezy 7.2 (http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/wheezy/) and additional lxde on a beaglebone black which works everytime as expected as long as i connect a pc monitor with a hdmi to dvi adapter to beaglebone's hdmi port but if i connect the hdmi port to my full hd tv my tv responds no device connected (even if i reboot beaglebone afterwards) if i than connect my pc monitor instead of the full hd tv (without a reboot between) i can see something but its not readable (like a wrong frequency) one important note, beaglebone is not able to provide sound with any resolutions over hdmi so i would need to have different settings please can you guide me to fix this issue? please correct me if this is the wrong list to solve the problem thank you br Andre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/002501cee85b$e3962920$aac27b60$@chello.at
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
Aren't many of the constructs used as examples in the paper are commonly
used in c programming. For example it is very common to see a function
that has a pointer as a parameter defined as:
int func(void *ptr)
{
if(!ptr) return SOME_ERROR;
/* rest of function*/
return 1;
}
Isn't it interesting that their one example will potentially dereference
the null pointer even before compiler optimizations (from the paper):
struct tun_struct *tun=;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
The check to see that tun is non-null should occur before use, as in -
quite frankly it is useless to check after as tun cannot be the null
pointer (the program hasn't crashed):
struct tun_struct *tun=;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
I am under the impression that these problems are rather widely known among
c programmers (perhaps not the kids fresh out of college). But this is why
teams need to have experienced people.
Furthermore, it is very common to find code that works before optimization,
and fails at certain optimization levels. Recently, I was compiling a
library that failed its own tests under the optimization level set in the
makefile but passed its own test at a lower level of optimization.
PS: I liked their first example, as it appears to be problematic.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
Deja gnu?
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Hi,
The following link shows the issue in a nutshell:
http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c
[it refers to the PDF that I mentioned]
--
Kind Regards
AndrewM
I seem to remember discussing the strange optimizations that optimized
away range checks because the code that was being firewalled had to
be correct.
Ten years ago, it was engineers that understood pointers but didn't
understand logic. This time around, maybe it's a new generation of
sophomoric programmers, or maybe we have moles in our ranks.
The sky is not falling, but it sounds like I don't want to waste my
time with Clang yet. And I probably need to go make myself persona
non-grata again in some C language forums
--
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Look first in your own heart.
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Re: Script to tell if Qpopper is running.
On Nov 23, 2013, at 1:43 AM, Account for Debian group mail deb...@pcez.com wrote: monit looks like it might work! Monit runs here. It does restart stuff, among a lot of other cool things... -- Glenn English Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
Second question:
Doesn't memcpy allow for overlapping memory, but strcpy does not? Isn't
this why memcpy is preferred over strcpy?
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Robert Baron
robertbartlettba...@gmail.com wrote:
Aren't many of the constructs used as examples in the paper are commonly
used in c programming. For example it is very common to see a function
that has a pointer as a parameter defined as:
int func(void *ptr)
{
if(!ptr) return SOME_ERROR;
/* rest of function*/
return 1;
}
Isn't it interesting that their one example will potentially dereference
the null pointer even before compiler optimizations (from the paper):
struct tun_struct *tun=;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
The check to see that tun is non-null should occur before use, as in -
quite frankly it is useless to check after as tun cannot be the null
pointer (the program hasn't crashed):
struct tun_struct *tun=;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
I am under the impression that these problems are rather widely known
among c programmers (perhaps not the kids fresh out of college). But this
is why teams need to have experienced people.
Furthermore, it is very common to find code that works before
optimization, and fails at certain optimization levels. Recently, I was
compiling a library that failed its own tests under the optimization level
set in the makefile but passed its own test at a lower level of
optimization.
PS: I liked their first example, as it appears to be problematic.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
Deja gnu?
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Hi,
The following link shows the issue in a nutshell:
http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c
[it refers to the PDF that I mentioned]
--
Kind Regards
AndrewM
I seem to remember discussing the strange optimizations that optimized
away range checks because the code that was being firewalled had to
be correct.
Ten years ago, it was engineers that understood pointers but didn't
understand logic. This time around, maybe it's a new generation of
sophomoric programmers, or maybe we have moles in our ranks.
The sky is not falling, but it sounds like I don't want to waste my
time with Clang yet. And I probably need to go make myself persona
non-grata again in some C language forums
--
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Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart.
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about MS email retrieve
Hi, My work email is Microsoft exchange one. It seems that the Microsoft exchange can be accessed either via outlook or webpage. I use icedove, currently has the ExQuilla plugin to retrieve email, but seems ExQuilla going to expire. So I wonder, how can I retrieve this email? what is interesting is that, we share the same account (username as well as password) in all servers, such as for the login of windows, for the HPC, for the email, even wireless connection. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? Since they shared the same account, and there is a local server here to collect Microsoft exchange email, I wonder, can I simply logged in this server and read these as some directory or something? Thanks ahead for your suggestions, BR, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290c842.9020...@gmail.com
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On 2013-11-23 15:18, Robert Baron wrote: Second question: Doesn't memcpy allow for overlapping memory, but strcpy does not? Isn't this why memcpy is preferred over strcpy? IIRC memcpy does not, but memmove does. See: http://linux.die.net/man/3/memcpy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290ca48.4050...@gmxpro.net
Re: about MS email retrieve
Le 23/11/2013 16:22, lina a écrit : Hi, My work email is Microsoft exchange one. It seems that the Microsoft exchange can be accessed either via outlook or webpage. I use icedove, currently has the ExQuilla plugin to retrieve email, but seems ExQuilla going to expire. So I wonder, how can I retrieve this email? What I do at work is use davmail (http://davmail.sourceforge.net). There is a debian package, and is needs that java is installed. Works fine with a exchange 2010 server through the webservice. Let's hope your mail admin allows the DAV/Webservice connection. It also works for calendar with lightning and the caldav definition of calendar. what is interesting is that, we share the same account (username as well as password) in all servers, such as for the login of windows, for the HPC, for the email, even wireless connection. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? It's called a user databas used for authentication of all services. In a free world you would do this with a LDAP server, in MS world it is done with Active Directory (based on LDAP among other things). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290d292.4060...@rail.eu.org
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
[...] Isn't it interesting that their one example will potentially dereference the null pointer even before compiler optimizations (from the paper): struct tun_struct *tun=; struct sock *sk = tun-sk; if(*tun) return POLLERR; The check to see that tun is non-null should occur before use, as in - quite frankly it is useless to check after as tun cannot be the null pointer (the program hasn't crashed): [...] They do say in the paper that the code possibly dereferences a null pointer, irrespective of optimisation or not. Thus the code was always broken, it might just have been missed, because compilers could have considered reordering the instructions or maybe substitute the expression tun-sk for sk. Best, Michael pgpYayGM_Ly7b.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: about MS email retrieve
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 23:22:42 +0800 lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My work email is Microsoft exchange one. It seems that the Microsoft exchange can be accessed either via outlook or webpage. I use icedove, currently has the ExQuilla plugin to retrieve email, but seems ExQuilla going to expire. So I wonder, how can I retrieve this email? what is interesting is that, we share the same account (username as well as password) in all servers, such as for the login of windows, for the HPC, for the email, even wireless connection. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? Since they shared the same account, and there is a local server here to collect Microsoft exchange email, I wonder, can I simply logged in this server and read these as some directory or something? No. Exchange stores email in an encrypted relational database, and if certain things go wrong, *nobody* can read it. I have failed a couple of times to restore a broken mailbox, using the official MS tools, though they usually work. Exchange is a humungous beast, designed to provide appropriate security for military, medical and legal email (i.e. only US security services can read it) and everyone else, even a one-man-band using the Small Business Server, has to live with it as there are no MS alternatives. As Erwan has said, login to an MS domain is to a single login server (with replicated backups in larger organisations) which uses, basically, LDAP and Kerberos to issue time-limited tickets to authorise appropriate activities. With the right privileges, fairly standard LDAP tools can be used to query and manipulate the database. Generally, users won't have much in the way of privileges, and you shouldn't be able to login to any server directly. A couple of other possibilities, if the administrators are friendly: Exchange can also provide POP3 and IMAP4 connections, but these are not enabled by default. The Outlook interface, as you probably know, uses an undisclosed proprietary protocol which changes regularly. Outlook 2013 is not compatible with Exchange 2003 and earlier, for example, other than by the (probably reluctantly) standard POP3 or IMAP4. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123164134.7fe98...@jretrading.com
Re: about MS email retrieve
On 11/23/2013 06:41 PM, Joe wrote: has to live with it as there are no MS alternatives. Not quite. Citadel and Kolab offer the same functionality, but in a more secure, modular architecture. Recently OpenChange is a transparent replacement: http://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-launches-the-only-native-microsoft-exchange-replacement/ though hopefully it is not as insecure and bugridden. I don't know when, if or how it would be ported to Debian. Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290ef1f.6000...@gmail.com
Re: Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox
On 24/11/13 01:52, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, I would like to run Debian and test new software packages utilizing Debian as a virtual environment. inside my Windows 7 OS. I would like to be able to install Debian in this fashion and have the ability to utilize a Debian GUI desktop as well. Question #1 please: Would kindly like to know if Oracle's VM VirtualBox is the recommended virtualization software package to install to accomplish this procedure. There is no officially recommended virtualization solution for running Debian on a Windoof host. My preference is to use VirtualBox, but there is at least one other application that will do the job. Question #2 please: Which Stable version of Debian (Squeeze or Wheezy) is recommended that would best serve this purpose? Squeeze is no longer stable, though it's a stable release. Wheezy is the current stable. You can install the Debian release of your choice, be it Etch, Squeeze, Sid, etc, or mixed. I'd recommend Wheezy, but the recommended release would be determined by what you want Debian to do. i.e. is it to run production purposes? if so choose the current stable (Wheezy), does it need to support very recent hardware? - if so you'd probably find testing or unstable a better choice. Do you require specific versions of software? Then you may have to pick the release that supports those versions. I have been reading about VirtualBox and studying the steps involved to install Debian in this manner. I'm sure I will have additional questions but would simply like to start with my initial questions above. A couple of how-to links I've discovered: Installing with a GUI desktop: https://jtreminio.com/2012/07/setting-up-a-debian-vm-step-by-step/ Installing without a GUI desktop http://williamjturkel.net/2013/05/31/installing-debian-linux-in-a-vm/ Thank you Installing Debian into VirtualBox is simple, except for a couple of quick, simple, choose and click options to create the VirtualBox machine that you'll install Debian into the process is identical to installing onto bare metal. Create a new machine, choose Linux as the OS, select Debian as the Linux type, agree to the default hard drive size or change it to suit your needs, choose dynamic or fixed for drive size and pick a suitable name for the machine. Once the machine is created you can adjust RAM size and various other machine parameters - similar to how you would select components to make a new computer. All that is achieved from the Settings option for the machine. Change or add storage devices and types (hard drives, floppy, cd/dvd drives). Use either the host CD/DVD or a virtual CD (uses iso images instead of physical CDs). Choose boot order and start the machine. Install Debian. Done. Kind regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290ead5.4030...@gmail.com
RE: Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox
From: Wally Lepore [mailto:wallylep...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:52 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox Hi Members, I would like to run Debian and test new software packages utilizing Debian as a virtual environment. inside my Windows 7 OS. I would like to be able to install Debian in this fashion and have the ability to utilize a Debian GUI desktop as well. Question #1 please: Would kindly like to know if Oracle's VM VirtualBox is the recommended virtualization software package to install to accomplish this procedure. Question #2 please: Which Stable version of Debian (Squeeze or Wheezy) is recommended that would best serve this purpose? I have been reading about VirtualBox and studying the steps involved to install Debian in this manner. I'm sure I will have additional questions but would simply like to start with my initial questions above. A couple of how-to links I've discovered: Installing with a GUI desktop: https://jtreminio.com/2012/07/setting-up-a-debian-vm-step-by-step/ Installing without a GUI desktop http://williamjturkel.net/2013/05/31/installing-debian-linux-in-a-vm/ Thank you I am running Wheezy and Jessie/sid, in different MS Windows 7 directories of course, in the current version of VMware Player without any problems whatsoever. I have also evaluated the Oracle VM, but prefer the VMware player as I have not run into any problems with installing Debian. Download the iso and follow the installer prompts. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
The researchers' point was that an attacker might be able to remap that memory
page so that dereferencing a null pointer would NOT segfault. (I don't actually
know how feasible this is; I'm just paraphrasing their argument. They footnote
this claim but I didn't bother to read the cited sources.)
Checking if tun is null is [apparently] a valid precautionary measure -- not
useless -- except an optimizer might remove it. The order of these statements
is definitely wrong, but the authors are claiming that this optimization turns
an otherwise innocuous bug into an exploitable vulnerability.
Anyway, I don't see what this has to do with Debian. It's an interesting paper,
but Debian can't find and fix all upstream bugs, nor do I think most users
would be happy if suddenly everything was compiled without any optimizations.
--
Mark E. Haase
On Nov 23, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Robert Baron robertbartlettba...@gmail.com
wrote:
Aren't many of the constructs used as examples in the paper are commonly
used in c programming. For example it is very common to see a function that
has a pointer as a parameter defined as:
int func(void *ptr)
{
if(!ptr) return SOME_ERROR;
/* rest of function*/
return 1;
}
Isn't it interesting that their one example will potentially dereference the
null pointer even before compiler optimizations (from the paper):
struct tun_struct *tun=;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
The check to see that tun is non-null should occur before use, as in - quite
frankly it is useless to check after as tun cannot be the null pointer (the
program hasn't crashed):
struct tun_struct *tun=;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
I am under the impression that these problems are rather widely known among c
programmers (perhaps not the kids fresh out of college). But this is why
teams need to have experienced people.
Furthermore, it is very common to find code that works before optimization,
and fails at certain optimization levels. Recently, I was compiling a
library that failed its own tests under the optimization level set in the
makefile but passed its own test at a lower level of optimization.
PS: I liked their first example, as it appears to be problematic.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
Deja gnu?
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Hi,
The following link shows the issue in a nutshell:
http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c
[it refers to the PDF that I mentioned]
--
Kind Regards
AndrewM
I seem to remember discussing the strange optimizations that optimized
away range checks because the code that was being firewalled had to
be correct.
Ten years ago, it was engineers that understood pointers but didn't
understand logic. This time around, maybe it's a new generation of
sophomoric programmers, or maybe we have moles in our ranks.
The sky is not falling, but it sounds like I don't want to waste my
time with Clang yet. And I probably need to go make myself persona
non-grata again in some C language forums
--
Joel Rees
Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart.
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Re: Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, I would like to run Debian and test new software packages utilizing Debian as a virtual environment. inside my Windows 7 OS. I would like to be able to install Debian in this fashion and have the ability to utilize a Debian GUI desktop as well. Question #1 please: Would kindly like to know if Oracle's VM VirtualBox is the recommended virtualization software package to install to accomplish this procedure. On Windows? No. Microsoft recommends you to use THEIR virtualization software -- VirtualPC or Hyper-V -- but OSes other than Windows are not supported. Doesn't mean Linux won't run on them, but ALL Windows software is Windows-centric. So, there will probably be problems. Just use VirtualBox. It will run most any OS that will run on PC Intel-based hardware with Windows, Linux or OSX hosts. FYI: I could never get GNOME3 to work on VirtualBox running on Linux hosts -- Fedore 12 and Debian Wheezy, both 64-bit. Virtual graphic card problem, I think. Never bothered to troubleshoot. I don't like GNOME3. VMWare is an excellent alternate choice. Question #2 please: Which Stable version of Debian (Squeeze or Wheezy) is recommended that would best serve this purpose? If your software needs to run on both, you'll have to compile and test it on both. I have been reading about VirtualBox and studying the steps involved to install Debian in this manner. I'm sure I will have additional questions but would simply like to start with my initial questions above. A couple of how-to links I've discovered: Installing with a GUI desktop: https://jtreminio.com/2012/07/setting-up-a-debian-vm-step-by-step/ Installing without a GUI desktop http://williamjturkel.net/2013/05/31/installing-debian-linux-in-a-vm/ Read VirtualBox's User Guide, too. Excellent. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123093459.60120...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: autostart for users
On Jo, 21 nov 13, 12:15:57, Florian Lindner wrote: Hello, I want to give users the possbility to autostart programms on boot. My first idea would be to put a line like that in /etc/rc.local Not on boot, but on login (into an XDG compliant WM/DE): $HOME/.config/autostart/ Most DEs have GUIs to add things there. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Circular initscript dependency prevents use of aptitude on wheezy
On Jo, 21 nov 13, 15:22:39, Hendrik Boom wrote: Somehow, I seem to have a circular initscript dependency. It seems to be complaining about the package mediatomb; furthemore, the problem first appeared shortly after I installed mediatomb. I tried uninstalling mediatomb, but it gets nowhere, because aptitude balks upon detecting the circular dependency. I ran aptitude upgrade | tee mediatomb-problem Here's the relevant message, out of all the stuff it produces: insserv: There is a loop between service mediatomb and modutils if stopped insserv: loop involving service modutils at depth 2 insserv: loop involving service mediatomb at depth 1 insserv: Stopping modutils depends on mediatomb and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! insserv: exiting now without changing boot order! update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header You have a lot of cruft on your system. I'd try aptitude search ~c and if the list looks reasonable then follow-up with aptitude purge ~c If you still have problems you can use 'dpkg -S' to find other initscripts not belonging to any installed packages and remove them. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Question about bogofilter -R
I'm trying to understand Bogofilter better. I have been using it with so-so success for about a year, but always by copy-and-paste of other people's scripts from the internet. Now I'm attempting to read the doc.s and understand. But --- it's rather slow going: In 'man bogofilter', under CLASSIFICATION OPTIONS, there is : The -R option tells bogofilter to output an R data frame in text form on the standard output. See the section on integration with R, below, for further detail. and 'below' is: The -R option tells bogofilter to generate an R data frame. The data frame contains one row per token analyzed. Each such row contains the token, the sum of its database good and spam counts, the good count divided by the number of non-spam messages used to create the training database, the spam count divided by the spam message count, Robinson´s f(w) for the token, the natural logs of (1 - f(w)) and f(w), and an indicator character (+ if the token´s f(w) value exceeded the minimum deviation from 0.5, - if it didn´t). There is one additional row at the end of the table that contains a label in the token field, followed by the number of words actually used (the ones with + indicators), Robinson´s P, Q, S, s and x values and the minimum deviation. The R data frame can be saved to a file and later read into an R session (see the R project website[5] for information about the mathematics package R). Provided with the bogofilter distribution is a simple R script (file bogo.R) that can be used to verify bogofilter´s calculations. Instructions for its use are included in the script in the form of comments. I have processed some spam and ham to create a bogofilter database. I want to use the -R option to create the TEXT data frame and examine its contents. I use the following: $ bogofilter -R bogo-rframe This should, to my understanding, write a text file in bogo-rframe, but it has been running for about an hour and shows no sign of terminating. What is wrong? Please help. There were about 3500 messages of spam and of ham, and the scoring took well under a minute. Do I really need to use R to look at what is perported to be a text file? TIA
Re: autostart for users
On Sat, 2013-11-23 at 21:04 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 21 nov 13, 12:15:57, Florian Lindner wrote: Hello, I want to give users the possbility to autostart programms on boot. My first idea would be to put a line like that in /etc/rc.local Not on boot, but on login (into an XDG compliant WM/DE): $HOME/.config/autostart/ Most DEs have GUIs to add things there. That's correct, but something completely different ;). A startup of the system isn't equal to the start of a desktop session ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1385235254.1787.1.camel@archlinux
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Mark Haase mark.ha...@lunarline.com wrote: Anyway, I don't see what this has to do with Debian. It's an interesting paper, but Debian can't find and fix all upstream bugs, nor do I think most users would be happy if suddenly everything was compiled without any optimizations. Although Debian *developers* can't find and fix all upstream bugs, the Debian project, as the funnel between code and users, provides an interesting location to perform this sort of automated static analysis on all source code flowing through it, and present that information to both the package maintainers and users of the packages. -- Darius Jahandarie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cafanwtw2r+2w0e3ewvcmse-zcvbxfgugs6sp+ppu9q6gv7x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: about MS email retrieve
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 20:08:31 +0200 Lars Noodén lars.noo...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/23/2013 06:41 PM, Joe wrote: has to live with it as there are no MS alternatives. Not quite. Citadel and Kolab offer the same functionality, but in a more secure, modular architecture. Recently OpenChange is a transparent replacement: http://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-launches-the-only-native-microsoft-exchange-replacement/ though hopefully it is not as insecure and bugridden. I don't know when, if or how it would be ported to Debian. I meant 'published by Microsoft'. There are a number of mail servers available for Windows, most being much less complex than Exchange, most small businesses not needing anything as complex as Exchange. But a business using MS servers will move to third-party products reluctantly. Everything on the machine that isn't part of the server operating system is a potential accident waiting to happen. The ecosystem is fragile enough, without foreign software being added. I would not consider installing even Firefox on a client's Windows server. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123202057.7581d...@jretrading.com
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On 11/22/2013 7:34 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c the team ran Stack against the Debian Linux archive, of which 8575 out of 17432 packages contained C/C++ code. For a whopping 3471 packages, STACK detected at least one instance of unstable code. So 3471 Wheezy packages had one ore more instances of gcc introduced anomalies. And the kernel binary they tested had 32. As an end user I'm not worried about this at all. But I'd think developers may want to start taking a closer look at how gcc does its optimizations and creates these anomalies. If the flaws are serious they should obviously takes steps to mitigate or eliminate this. I didn't read the full paper yet, but I'm wondering how/if the optimization flag plays a part in this. I.e. does O2 produce these bugs but OO (default) or Og (debugging) does not? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52911cb9.5010...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On Saturday, November 23, 2013 04:23:05 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote: I didn't read the full paper yet, but I'm wondering how/if the optimization flag plays a part in this. I.e. does O2 produce these bugs but OO (default) or Og (debugging) does not? Or -O3... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201311231636.18718.neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
[Not sure this really needs to be cc-ed to security@]
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Robert Baron
robertbartlettba...@gmail.com wrote:
Aren't many of the constructs used as examples in the paper are commonly
used in c programming. For example it is very common to see a function that
has a pointer as a parameter defined as:
int func(void *ptr)
{
if(!ptr) return SOME_ERROR;
/* rest of function*/
return 1;
}
Isn't it interesting that their one example will potentially dereference the
null pointer even before compiler optimizations (from the paper):
struct tun_struct *tun=;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
The check to see that tun is non-null should occur before use, as in - quite
frankly it is useless to check after as tun cannot be the null pointer (the
program hasn't crashed):
This one has been thrashed to death.
Yes, the standard (after considerable reworking overseen by certain
groups with an axe to grind) says that, not only is dereferencing
before testing evil (i.e., undefined), but even adding to a pointer
before testing it is evil.
Committees really should not be allowed to define language semantics.
Make suggestions, sure, but actually define them, no.
struct tun_struct *tun=;
if(*tun) return POLLERR;
struct sock *sk = tun-sk;
Yes, this arrangement is less liable to induce error on the part of
the programmer.
The compiler should be immune to such issues of induced error,
especially if it is able to reliably optimize out theoretically
undefined code (which is seriously, seriously evil).
I am under the impression that these problems are rather widely known among
c programmers (perhaps not the kids fresh out of college). But this is why
teams need to have experienced people.
Furthermore, it is very common to find code that works before optimization,
and fails at certain optimization levels. Recently, I was compiling a
library that failed its own tests under the optimization level set in the
makefile but passed its own test at a lower level of optimization.
Completely separate issue.
PS: I liked their first example, as it appears to be problematic.
As I noted (too obliquely, perhaps?) the my comments why you
top-posted over, this is nothing at all new. The holy grail of
optimization has been known to induce undefined behavior in compiler
writers since way before B or even Algol.
The guys responsible for optimization sometimes forget that falsifying
an argument is not falsifying the conclusion, among other things.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
Deja gnu?
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
Hi,
The following link shows the issue in a nutshell:
http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c
[it refers to the PDF that I mentioned]
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Kind Regards
AndrewM
I seem to remember discussing the strange optimizations that optimized
away range checks because the code that was being firewalled had to
be correct.
Ten years ago, it was engineers that understood pointers but didn't
understand logic. This time around, maybe it's a new generation of
sophomoric programmers, or maybe we have moles in our ranks.
The sky is not falling, but it sounds like I don't want to waste my
time with Clang yet. And I probably need to go make myself persona
non-grata again in some C language forums
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Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Robert Baron robertbartlettba...@gmail.com wrote: Second question: Doesn't memcpy allow for overlapping memory, but strcpy does not? Isn't this why memcpy is preferred over strcpy? [...] The reason memcpy() is preferred over strcpy() is the same as the reason strncpy() is preferred over strcpy(). memcpy() is actually considered a no-no in some circles, and perhaps correctly so. (Especially in C++, where classes are supposed to define their own copying, and it's almost always more optimal to explicitly copy each member instead of calculating the size, mass copying, and going back and overwriting the members that are subject to issues like deep copy. Remember that memcpy() is able to copy an odd number of bytes, so the size calculation contains a bit more than is obvious to the programmer.) -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43iof7wca3zugtzewvhddjzk98ava2oatgw_mavruoyz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 11/22/2013 7:34 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/research/ac_research/mot-researchers-uncover-security-flaws-in-c the team ran Stack against the Debian Linux archive, of which 8575 out of 17432 packages contained C/C++ code. For a whopping 3471 packages, STACK detected at least one instance of unstable code. So 3471 Wheezy packages had one ore more instances of gcc introduced anomalies. And the kernel binary they tested had 32. As an end user I'm not worried about this at all. But I'd think developers may want to start taking a closer look at how gcc does its optimizations and creates these anomalies. If the flaws are serious they should obviously takes steps to mitigate or eliminate this. I didn't read the full paper yet, but I'm wondering how/if the optimization flag plays a part in this. I.e. does O2 produce these bugs but OO (default) or Og (debugging) does not? The paper says some of the surprise optimizations happen at even the default optimization level. And I remember one that definitely does, although I don't remember where I put the code where I played with it. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iNP44POMkEYUB6c+iuXceHHFTCM+1bexE5XvKaP=-q...@mail.gmail.com
I have a new toshiba laptop with intel core i7 processor
I have a new toshiba laptop with intel core i7 processor and I’ve already had installed, but when the system reboots I get this [1511.659335] generic- usb 0003:0457: 1037.009a: usb*submit*urb (ctrl) failed and if I disable the usb 3.0 I get this port 4 hub 2-1:1.0 disable by hub (eMI?), re-enabling. I want information about this or what can i do about it? -- *GPimentel*
Re: MIT discovered issue with gcc
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Darius Jahandarie wrote: Although Debian *developers* can't find and fix all upstream bugs, the Debian project, as the funnel between code and users, provides an interesting location to perform this sort of automated static analysis on all source code flowing through it, and present that information to both the package maintainers and users of the packages. Some Debian folks are working on that in conjunction with Fedora. We could use some help, especially with packaging new checkers and with writing firehose output converters for existing checkers. Please get involved, links below. PS: STACK isn't currently possible to package because it needs a special build of llvm that isn't in Debian yet. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StaticAnalysis https://github.com/fedora-static-analysis/firehose http://debile.debian.net/ http://firewoes.debian.net/ http://debuild.me/ https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian#Check_points_for_any_package -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6hzr-p2nnhku_24rp7vgsb02jet_fb9cy2bwurcgaa...@mail.gmail.com
Setting up wordpress on wheezy using the debian packages?
Can someone point me at step-by-step instructions for going from sudo aptitude install wordpress on a freshly scrubbed, newly installed Wheezy system to a working wordpress website on the same machine? I've read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/wordpress/ and the stuff in examples/ but they are just hints, I think. I've googled till I'm blue in the face, but all I find is people who insist on installing wordpress from the downloadable tarball at the wordpress development site and ignore the debian package entirely. I'd much rather do things the Debian way. Somebody must have done it, I would think -- or what's the point of having a Debian package in the first place? If you have, can you share your recipe? All help will be appreciated! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ec8aa022-d5a6-4ce7-a59d-7c261508e...@pobox.com
Totem in stable cannot play any type of video, need your help.
Hello everybody, This is my first mail here. I am debian stable user. My Totem cannot play any type of video, included free format such as webm, ogg, and mkv. When I open any video, it says, An error occurred: Could not determine type of stream. Need your help. Bo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1385258903.6835.7.camel@bo-pc
Re: about MS email retrieve
What I do at work is use davmail (http://davmail.sourceforge.net). There is a debian package, and is needs that java is installed. I have JDK and JRE installed, just a bit hesitated to switch to davmail since I have been using icedove from beginning and it has been really long already. Works fine with a exchange 2010 server through the webservice. Let's hope your mail admin allows the DAV/Webservice connection. Here is the reply I received days ago from our IT. Please be advised our email accounts do not run on pop3/imap/smtp. It is on Microsoft Exchange, so you can only use email clients which has support for Microsoft Exchange, such as Microsoft Outlook. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? It's called a user databas used for authentication of all services. In a free world you would do this with a LDAP server, in MS world it is done with Active Directory (based on LDAP among other things). So intelligent. Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52916adb.1040...@gmail.com
Re: Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox
On 24/11/13 01:52, Wally Lepore wrote: Hi Members, I would like to run Debian and test new software packages utilizing Debian as a virtual environment. inside my Windows 7 OS. I would like to be able to install Debian in this fashion and have the ability to utilize a Debian GUI desktop as well. Question #1 please: Would kindly like to know if Oracle's VM VirtualBox is the recommended virtualization software package to install to accomplish this procedure. There is not Debian recommended virtualization solution for a Windoof host. I recommend VirtualBox, but there are other working applications. Question #2 please: Which Stable version of Debian (Squeeze or Wheezy) is recommended that would best serve this purpose? Wheezy is stable, Squeeze is old stable. Wheezy would, conditionally, be your best choice. Conditions would be what do you want to do (is the versions of software important) - you may find you need to run a specific release of mixture of releases. I have been reading about VirtualBox and studying the steps involved to install Debian in this manner. I'm sure I will have additional questions but would simply like to start with my initial questions above. Install VirtualBox Create new machine (Linux, Debian) - follow the prompts changing to suit you needs (virtual hard drive size, dynamic or fixed size, name of machine, amount of RAM). Takes two minutes. Edit the Settings on the new machine to change defaults as required. Add additional hard/optical drives, change the type of drive, add floppy, choose sound and network card types, select phsyical or virtual optical drive (virtual uses ISO images), set network protocols. Takes 5 minutes to look at all the options. Choose the boot order and start the VM. Install Debian as if it was a bare metal install - the documentation on the *VirtualBox* site is good, but it's unlikely you'll require it as the process is suitable for chickens if you put a bit of bread on the Enter key. A couple of how-to links I've discovered: Installing with a GUI desktop: https://jtreminio.com/2012/07/setting-up-a-debian-vm-step-by-step/ Installing without a GUI desktop http://williamjturkel.net/2013/05/31/installing-debian-linux-in-a-vm/ I look to Debian for documentation first e.g.:- https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox Then the application developer/s e.g.:- https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch02.html#installation_windows After that I'll consult third-party guides Thank you As for installing Debian into Windoof's VM best ask Mr Jerry Stuckle about the joys and triumphs of that. But if you're still keen:- https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/VMs/MicrosoftVirtualPc2007/etch Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52917c90@gmail.com
