Idees per a la festa final del miniconf

2014-03-03 Thread Max Pimm
Hola, Us escric per demanar consells no del tot relacionat amb la informàtica però sí amb Debian. Des de l'organització del mini debconf, que tindrà lloc a Barcelona d'aquí a dues setmanes, estem buscant un espai on fer una festa quan acabi la conferència. Busquem algun lloc on es pot fer

Re: Certificat CACert

2014-03-03 Thread juke
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 08:33:59PM +0100, Haricophile wrote: Chez moi : ca-certificates est installé. CACert est dedans. Par contre : Cette url : https://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/ImportRootCert - est acceptée par Chromium - est refusée par Iceweasel pourtant il me dit que le certificat

Envoyer des bit de commande et recevoir sur LPT ?

2014-03-03 Thread ptilou
Bonjour, J'ai une carte cnc bas de gamme a base de 74HCT245 de nxp ainsi que des controleur a base de tb6600 (PAP), je ne trouve pas comment renseigner les pins ? Je me demander comment envoyer des commande a la dite carte et prendre des mesure électrique pour savoir quoi correspond a quoi ?

Re: Envoyer des bit de commande et recevoir sur LPT ?

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 02:23:59 -0800 (PST) ptilou pti...@gmail.com wrote: J'ai une cnc bas de base de 74HCT245 de nxp ainsi que contrauleur tb6600 (PAP), je trouve pas T'as du bol que j'sois dans un bon jour: http://linuxcnc.org/ -- lili: je crois qu'il est fou lili: vous etes tous fou lili: je

Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Tito
Bonjour :) J'ai installé privoxy avec la commande apt-get install privoxy, installation ok sans message d'erreur. Mais après privoxy ne se lance pas... Avec cette commande root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# /etc/init.d/privoxy start rien ne se passe et je vérifie des fois que :

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Daniel Huhardeaux
Le 03/03/2014 14:22, Tito a écrit : Bonjour :) Bonjour J'ai installé privoxy avec la commande apt-get install privoxy, installation ok sans message d'erreur. Mais après privoxy ne se lance pas... Avec cette commande root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# /etc/init.d/privoxy start rien ne se passe

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Tito
Bien, j'ai essayé de suivre tes instructions mais... Pour lire les logs root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# tail -f /var/log/privoxy tail: erreur de lecture « /var/log/privoxy »: est un dossier tail: /var/log/privoxy : impossible de suivre la fin de ce type de fichier ; abandon sur ce nom alors que

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 15:27:55 +0100 Tito t...@mailoo.org wrote: Que faire d'autre? Apprendre les bases avant de tripoter des pgms que tu ne comprends même pas. -- (@Quizz) = Question 5766/14494 (Aide 3/3) = (@Quizz) Quel moyen de transport a été réquisitionné pendant la

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Daniel Huhardeaux
Pas de réponse en privé, merci. Le 03/03/2014 15:27, Tito a écrit : Bien, j'ai essayé de suivre tes instructions mais... Pour lire les logs root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# tail -f /var/log/privoxy tail: erreur de lecture « /var/log/privoxy »: est un dossier Et bien c'est que les logs sont dans

Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread damien ADDE
Bonjours, J'aurais aimez savoir si l'on peut gérer Debian a partir de Windows fonctionnant en dual Boot. Je demande ceci car je n'est pas de connexion sous Debian mais une connexion wifi sous Windows. Ceci me permettrais d'installer le reste des paquets. Merci de votre compréhension

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:55:37 +0100 damien ADDE dam.a...@hotmail.fr wrote: J'aurais aimez savoir si l'on peut gérer Debian a partir de Windows fonctionnant en dual Boot. Je demande ceci car je n'est pas de connexion sous Debian mais une connexion wifi sous Windows. Ceci me permettrais

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread andre_debian
On Monday 03 March 2014 18:55:37 damien ADDE wrote: Bonjours, J'aurais aimez savoir si l'on peut gérer Debian a partir de Windows fonctionnant en dual Boot. Je demande ceci car je n'est pas de connexion sous Debian mais une connexion wifi sous Windows. Ceci me permettrais d'installer le reste

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Jean Louis Giraud
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:28:06 +0100 andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: On Monday 03 March 2014 18:55:37 damien ADDE wrote: Bonjours, J'aurais aimez savoir si l'on peut gérer Debian a partir de Windows fonctionnant en dual Boot. Je demande ceci car je n'est pas de connexion sous Debian mais

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le lundi 03 mars 2014 à 19:27, Bzzz a écrit : Si c'est juste une question de FW mqt, j'aurai tendance à privilégier le plus rapide: * boot avec un liveCD, * récup du pkg mqt, * montage des partoches Debian, * chroot dans Debian, * install du pkg de FW, * reboot s/s Debian. Tu peux aussi

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:55:29 +0100 Jean Louis Giraud giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr wrote: ...et comme d'habitude dans ce genre de sport ne pas oublier de faire une sauvegarde de son système avant toute manipau cas où Sauf que vous oubliez une petite chose, les deux. Même à ce jour, il

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 20:01:36 +0100 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Tu peux aussi installer VirtualBox sur le Windows et configurer la machine virtuelle pour démarrer sur le disque physique (partition Debian). Hmm, intéressant, je n'avais même pas vu que VBox permettait cela. --

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Stéphane GARGOLY
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le 3 mars 2014 18:55, damien ADDE dam.a...@hotmail.fr a écrit : J'aurais aimez savoir si l'on peut gérer Debian a partir de Windows fonctionnant en dual Boot. Je demande ceci car je n'est pas de connexion sous Debian mais une

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Tito
Je n'ai pas compris ce que tu me demandes :( - regarder les logs - lancer en console (pas en demon) - /etc/default/privoxy Donc voici pour les logs: root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# tail -f /var/log/privoxy/logfile 2014-03-03 18:28:44.315 7f139d1d8700 Info: Loading filter file:

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Stéphane GARGOLY
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le 3 mars 2014 20:06, Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit : On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 20:01:36 +0100 Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote: Tu peux aussi installer VirtualBox sur le Windows et configurer la machine virtuelle pour

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Erwan David
Le 03/03/2014 21:06, Tito a écrit : Je n'ai pas compris ce que tu me demandes :( - regarder les logs - lancer en console (pas en demon) - /etc/default/privoxy Donc voici pour les logs: root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# tail -f /var/log/privoxy/logfile 2014-03-03 18:28:44.315 7f139d1d8700 Info:

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Tito
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 15:56:17 +0100 Le peu que je connaisse de ce programme me suffit pour mes usages, c'est un proxy http et les commentaires du fichier de conf sont suffisamment explicites pour être autonome en ce qui me concerne. Mais là je ne comprends pas pourquoi il refuse de démarrer...

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Tito
root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# lsof -i:8118 COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME iceweasel 7490 tito 55u IPv4 35885 0t0 TCP debianwheezy.home:36185-localhost:8118 (SYN_SENT) iceweasel 7490 tito 56u IPv4 35886 0t0 TCP

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:10:46 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: En root lance lsof -i:8118 pour voir ce qui occupe déjà ce port... On parie que c'est… privoxy? -- Tibo: oh putain oui elle est trop belle cette chanson Tibo: la première fois que je l'ai entendu ca m'a fait des frissons

Re: Joindre deux OS en dual boot

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:09:35 +0100 Stéphane GARGOLY stephane.garg...@gmail.com wrote: Il faut consulter la page suivante pour plus d'informations : https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#rawdisk Merci pour l'URL. -- Les fonctionnaires sont comme les livres d'une bibliothèque : ce sont

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Erwan David
Le 03/03/2014 21:21, Bzzz a écrit : On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:10:46 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: En root lance lsof -i:8118 pour voir ce qui occupe déjà ce port... On parie que c'est… privoxy? Autant vérifier... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question :

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Erwan David
Le 03/03/2014 21:18, Tito a écrit : root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# lsof -i:8118 COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME iceweasel 7490 tito 55u IPv4 35885 0t0 TCP debianwheezy.home:36185-localhost:8118 (SYN_SENT) iceweasel 7490 tito 56u IPv4 35886

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:24:05 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Autant vérifier... Wai, c'est sûr que ça ne fait point de mal. D'ailleurs il me revient un chtit truc: selon le langage, si le port n'est pas correctement libéré par une primitive spécifique (un kill -9 ou crash par.ex),

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Erwan David
Le 03/03/2014 21:33, Bzzz a écrit : On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:24:05 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Autant vérifier... Wai, c'est sûr que ça ne fait point de mal. D'ailleurs il me revient un chtit truc: selon le langage, si le port n'est pas correctement libéré par une primitive

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:39:17 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Mais après 5 à 10 minutes c'est libéré. Oui, j'avais oublié ça; mais dans le cas présent, ça serait peut-être une bonne méthode pour être certain que les compteurs soient à zéro ;) -- Pourquoi contredire une femme ? Il

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Tito
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:43:34 +0100 Tito t...@mailoo.org wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:23:36 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 03/03/2014 21:18, Tito a écrit : root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# lsof -i:8118 COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Erwan David
Le 03/03/2014 21:44, Tito a écrit : On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:43:34 +0100 Tito t...@mailoo.org wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 21:23:36 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 03/03/2014 21:18, Tito a écrit : root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# lsof -i:8118 COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE

Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:44:49 +0100 Tito t...@mailoo.org wrote: Mon fichier interfaces et monté à la main, uns incidence possible? :) Non, à moins qu'il n'y ait une erreur et plus de liaison internenette. J'ai vérifié la config et j'ai bien : listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 J'ai

[résolu] Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Tito
Bon, j'ai résolu mon problème de la sorte : apt-get -y install privoxy tor curl Puis j'avais toujours : root@debianwheezy:/home/tito# /etc/init.d/privoxy restart [FAIL] Restarting filtering proxy server: privoxy failed! Alors j'ai trouvé ces deux cmdes sur le web sed -i -e

Poster sur le bon fil (Etait : Re: [HS] : Que pensez-vous de cette article à propos de FreeBSD ?)

2014-03-03 Thread Christophe
Bonsoir Le 28/02/2014 08:49, Fabien R a écrit : Attention Valentin, Tu n'as pas posté sur le bon fil. En effet : Ce qui fait que le post de Valentin OVD, au demeurant très intéressant, sujet à interrogation, et potentiellement à discussions tout aussi intéressantes, s'est retrouvé noyé dans

Re: [résolu] Re: Privoxy

2014-03-03 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le lundi 03 mars 2014, Tito a écrit... Si vous pouviez m'expliquer les deux cmdes trouvées sur le web et qui ont solutionné mon 'blème, histoire d'apprendre un peu plus ;) Tu as supprimé la valeur que tu avais pour listen-address, et tu as annulé le débogage en commentant

Re: Envoyer des bit de commande et recevoir sur LPT ?

2014-03-03 Thread ptilou
Slt, Le lundi 3 mars 2014 14:10:01 UTC+1, Bzzz a écrit : On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 02:23:59 -0800 (PST) ptilou pti...@gmail.com wrote: J'ai une cnc bas de base de 74HCT245 de nxp ainsi que contrauleur tb6600 (PAP), je trouve pas T'as du bol que j'sois dans un bon jour:

Re: Problemas con Xorg y tarjetas intel

2014-03-03 Thread Antonio
El 28/02/2014 16:11, Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:57:47 +0100, Antonio escribió: Tengo debian 7 instalado en varios equipos Dell micro intel y tarjetas gráfica intel, de las que van en la propia placa. Y mi problema lo tengo cuando el usuario cambia la resolución de pantalla de

Re: Problemas con Xorg y tarjetas intel

2014-03-03 Thread fernando sainz
El día 3 de marzo de 2014, 9:24, Antonio n27deb...@gmail.com escribió: El 28/02/2014 16:11, Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:57:47 +0100, Antonio escribió: Tengo debian 7 instalado en varios equipos Dell micro intel y tarjetas gráfica intel, de las que van en la propia placa. Y mi

opennebula

2014-03-03 Thread tony
hola lista ya resuelto el problema de radius y gracias a aquellos que se tomaron el time para responderme, no saben el alivio que me han traido... Nuevamente les traigo una duda; algunos de ustedes han implementado la herramienta para virtualizar incluida en los paquetes de debian llamada

Re: Problemas con Xorg y tarjetas intel

2014-03-03 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:24:26 +0100, Antonio escribió: El 28/02/2014 16:11, Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:57:47 +0100, Antonio escribió: Tengo debian 7 instalado en varios equipos Dell micro intel y tarjetas gráfica intel, de las que van en la propia placa. Y mi problema lo

Re: Debian 7.2 USB

2014-03-03 Thread Camaleón
El 2014-03-03 a las 10:53 +0100, Jorge escribió: (reenvío a la lista, me ha llegado al privado) El 2 de marzo de 2014, 9:16, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Lo que no entiendo es la pregunta que me hacéis: Raro... ¿has instalado/iniciado algún entorno gráfico? ¿Te

Re: opennebula

2014-03-03 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:06:50 -0500, tony escribió: hola lista ya resuelto el problema de radius y gracias a aquellos que se tomaron el time para responderme, no saben el alivio que me han traido... Pues gracias por compartir la solución :-) Nuevamente les traigo una duda; algunos de ustedes

Re: opennebula

2014-03-03 Thread Adrià
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 09:06:50AM -0500, t...@sumag.co.cu wrote: Nuevamente les traigo una duda; algunos de ustedes han implementado la herramienta para virtualizar incluida en los paquetes de debian llamada opennebula y si es asi por favor diganme que les parece o cual es su estado actual en

Re: opennebula

2014-03-03 Thread Francesc Guitart
El 03/03/2014 15:06, t...@sumag.co.cu escribió: hola lista ya resuelto el problema de radius y gracias a aquellos que se tomaron el time para responderme, no saben el alivio que me han traido... Nuevamente les traigo una duda; algunos de ustedes han implementado la herramienta para virtualizar

Re: Debian live e instalable

2014-03-03 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
chequea una aplicacion que he desarrollado ya hace un tiempo de nombre isocrea que te coge un debian instalado, te lo hace un .iso booteable y te pone un instalador creado por mí que trabaja en consola. Dirígete a gutl.jovenclub.cu Buscas en el menu el repogutl y busca por isocrea. Recien

Re: Debian live e instalable

2014-03-03 Thread Ricardo Delgado
OK lo probare. Muchas gracias! El mar 3, 2014 2:18 PM, Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR hay...@inor.sld.cu escribió: chequea una aplicacion que he desarrollado ya hace un tiempo de nombre isocrea que te coge un debian instalado, te lo hace un .iso booteable y te pone un instalador creado por

Error Instalación Debian Testing

2014-03-03 Thread Edwin Carrillo
Buen día para todos. Descargue la semana pasada la .iso de la testing que se genera semanalmente, y hoy también la net install en .iso, ambas en i386. Me genera la duda si a alguien mas en el momento de la instalación, se queda estancada en el paso que dice Configurando APT Analizando el CD-ROM

Re: Error Instalación Debian Testing

2014-03-03 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás
El 03/03/14 23:02, Edwin Carrillo escribió: (...) Si alguien sabe quizas exista ya un BUG reportado o si alguien le ha pasado lo mismo para poder enviar la información. A mí también me pasa, no sé porqué, pero los CD's/DVD's de Testing tienen las firmas OK, pero algo falla. A mí me pasaba cosa

freeradius

2014-03-03 Thread tony
Hola, ya configurado radius y ejecutandose , le agregue un user a la bd de nombre tony y a la hora de conectarme con ese use y su passwd me da este error... Aguien podria explicarme como configurar daloradisu para agregar usuarios por ahí y no por consola pues al paraecer lo estoy haciendo mal

Re: Error Instalación Debian Testing

2014-03-03 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez
El Mon, 03 Mar 2014 23:11:28 +0100 Santiago José López Borrazás sjlop...@gmail.com escribió: El 03/03/14 23:02, Edwin Carrillo escribió: (...) Si alguien sabe quizas exista ya un BUG reportado o si alguien le ha pasado lo mismo para poder enviar la información. A mí también me pasa, no

Re: Error Instalación Debian Testing

2014-03-03 Thread Edwin Carrillo
Coño, si se instala testing precisamente es para probarla y si alguien encuentra un error reportarlo, de eso se trata el ciclo de desarrollo. Ademas el instalador casi nunca en Debian falla. Si el problema fuera que nadie usara testing o sid, hombre que seria muy complicado todo para los

Re: Error Instalación Debian Testing

2014-03-03 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás
El 04/03/14 01:20, Edwin Carrillo escribió: Coño, si se instala testing precisamente es para probarla y si alguien encuentra un error reportarlo, de eso se trata el ciclo de desarrollo. Pos eso digo, que por lo que parece, se encuentra un fallo gordísimo y parece que no es cosa de la nada. Pero

[semi-OT]Comparaciones de Google Chrome vs Firefox en Debian

2014-03-03 Thread Miguel Matos
Saludos a la lista. Hace poquito recibí esta noticia por un boletín electrónico, quizás ya la hayan leído, igual la comparto[1]. Se titula: Chrome, ¿qué te está pasando? Te has vuelto tan lento como el viejo Firefox. (Perdón si se copia como HTML, a veces se escapa, aunque no se note cuando

Confirmacion de Suscripcion

2014-03-03 Thread Nova Design
Estamomos actualiando nuestros suscrtiptores, por favor confirmar la misma respondiendo este email. Gracias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Re: [OT] Telia ADSL och SSH

2014-03-03 Thread Carl-Fredrik Enell
Nu har jag också låtit brygga mitt Teliamodem- det görs av Telias telefonsupport- och satt dit min OpenWRT-router. ssh - lång textutmatning hänger sig (tills man trycker på en tangent) Dom gjorde bryggningen och jag kopplade in min egen switch. Så nu är TG799 bara ett ADSL modem.

Debian 6 Tempo de vida

2014-03-03 Thread Vitor Hugo
Qual o tempo de vida do Debian 6 squeeze? por quantos anos serão mantidas as atualizações de segurança? por quanto tempo eu devo utilizar o Debian 6 em ambiente de produção? não consegui encontrar as informações.

Re: Debian 6 Tempo de vida

2014-03-03 Thread Francisco C Soares
On 03/03/2014 08:43 AM, Vitor Hugo wrote: Qual o tempo de vida do Debian 6 squeeze? por quantos anos serão mantidas as atualizações de segurança? por quanto tempo eu devo utilizar o Debian 6 em ambiente de produção? não consegui encontrar as informações. Saudações Vitor, Creio que o link

Re: Debian 6 Tempo de vida

2014-03-03 Thread Jack Jr
Um ano após o lançamento da nova versão estável. 6 é suportado até início de maio/2014. Vitor Hugo vitorhug...@hotmail.com escreveu:

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 07:05:22 Doug wrote: It would seem that XSane is smart enough to scan without any other drivers This is very much not my experience. I have always found that XSANE needs drivers, and if they are not available says that it cannot find the scanner. Lisi -- To

Re: Partial success and strange partial failure -was [Re: Physically have install DVD set. Want ISO's from which they came.]

2014-03-03 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Hmm, I thought the 'count=' stuff was only needed for CD-ROMs. Again, I prefer to keep things simple and would rather use just: md5sum /dev/sdb This will not give you the MD5 of the image that was copied to the beginning of the storage device, unless the image size is exactly the

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd troll

2014-03-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 03/03/14 16:56, Bret Busby wrote: On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, y...@marupa.net wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:05:20 From: y...@marupa.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith and other such complete fabrications likely

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 03/03/14 17:00, ghaverla wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: You *imagine*, not think (using reductive logic?). I'm sure your not a bully who forces your ideas onto those that do want fast boot instead of hibernation.

Install a package without download and installation step from other packages

2014-03-03 Thread Fatemeh m
Hi, I installed debian 7 on another system, I want to copy the packages from my system and paste them to the other system, but without download and also without need to install them. tanx

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote: Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting, and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups is almost the NULL set. I think the answer to faster booting is hibernation, and people have been

Re: Install a package without download and installation step from other packages

2014-03-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 03/03/14 19:10, Fatemeh m wrote: Hi, I installed debian 7 on another system, I want to copy the packages from my system and paste them to the other system, but without download and also without need to install them. tanx Copy the packages to the other system. You can do that by CD/DVD,

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 06:09:46PM -0700, ghaverla wrote: [BIG snip] With Respect To boot times, I would think moving to a specialised shell that had no interactive capability (such as Gnu Readline) might be a place to start. That the shell often had to invoke subshells to do things, to me

Help with GPT

2014-03-03 Thread ha
Last few weekends I struggled with the GPT. I've tried to install debian 7.2 from live DVD (but booting from USB). However, at the end of installation I always receive the message Grub-pc package failed to install into /target/, or something like that. Now, I'm aware that I can solve this by

Re: Zimbra mail........

2014-03-03 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 17. Januar 2014, 09:38:17 schrieb Charlie: From my Keyboard: Just a quick question. Does anyone use Zimbra mail and know something about setting it up. Have changed to a new ISP and they us Zimbra mail. They set up the default account without too much trouble other

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Doug wrote: On 03/03/2014 12:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote:Debian; why provision is not made, to allow software that runs on Debian 5, to run on Debian 6 and Debian 7. As a single example, I have a multifunction printer, of which, the multifunctionality worked with Debian 5.

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Andrei POPESCU writes: On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote: Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting, and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups is almost the NULL set. I think the answer to faster booting is

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote: Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being included in the offical Debian version.

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd troll

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
I agree with Scott completely (if this is not obvious from my own post), but I'd like to add: On Lu, 03 mar 14, 19:03:44, Scott Ferguson wrote: When you install you are asked if you want to include the non-free and contrib repositories. non-free is what it says it, and contrib is packages

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 09:10:46 Bret Busby wrote: The device is a Samsung CLX3185FW, and it had drivers that worked with Debian 5. Contact Samsung. If you have difficulty in getting through to someone who speaks Linux mail me off-list and I'll give you a name. A client had bought a Samsung

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd troll

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 03/03/14 16:56, Bret Busby wrote: On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, y...@marupa.net wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:05:20 From: y...@marupa.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith and

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 09:49:13 Andrei POPESCU wrote: I strongly advise that on your next buy (not necessarily MFPs) you also consider how well that device is supported with Linux. Bonus if the manufacturer contributes to that support. If enough of us are doing the same it might eventually

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote: Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 10:40:52, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Andrei POPESCU writes: On Du, 02 mar 14, 18:09:46, ghaverla wrote: Systemd seems to have 2 proponents, people interested in fast booting, and people interested in servers. The intersection of those two groups is almost the

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 17:10:46, Bret Busby wrote: Whilst the device had been able to work with Debian 5, it simply does not work with Debian Linux after Debian 5, other than using a printer driver for, I think the Samsung CL317x series. Did you try splix? Kind regards, Andrei --

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote: Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:01:10 From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight On Lu, 03 mar 14, 17:10:46, Bret Busby wrote: Whilst the device had been able to work with

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:31:20 From: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:48:12 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Monday 03

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:41 PM, NoTo CTTE usspookslovesys...@muchomail.com wrote: Systemd is over 200,000 lines of ring0 running bullshit. Regular inits are under 10k lines of code inclusive. Some are 100 lines of code. Hmm which is easier to find exploits in. SystemD. Notice how the [...]

scnner drivers -- Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd troll

2014-03-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/14 16:56, Bret Busby wrote: [...] As a single example, I have a multifunction printer, of which, the multifunctionality worked with Debian 5. Now, it is only a laser printer, running with

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: [...] But, Linux, and, the Linux community, should not have the same objective; it should instead, be preserving the (that I believe to be) primary objective of UNIX; that a programme that is written for one version, can run on

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Fred Wilson
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:52:40 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Which is fine for you, and I can understand and appreciate that, for my own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Fred Wilson
I want to do number crunching, I don't want to be bothered by the boot process. It works. If I have to go make coffee while the boot process is happening, I'll go make coffee. While your invisible guests are doing somthing similar inside your computer? :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Fred Wilson
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:30:08 -0600 y...@marupa.net wrote: For example, initscripts are so VERY not portable. I am sorry to say this, but it is true. In theory they should be, as you state, according the UNIX Philosophy they should be. But here comes the problem of that philosophy

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Fred Wilson
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 09:20:44 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: You grow up. Technically inferior stuff always seems to get the money, but you get to live in the results of your choices. On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:00:40 -0600 y...@marupa.net wrote: Doesn't make the decision to drop SysV

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Fred Wilson
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:53:51 + Jack j...@jackpot.uk.net wrote: On 02/03/2014 05:11, Eric Newcomb wrote: Technical issues aside, I went through the list of members of the tech-ctte, found here: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization. I searched each name on the list on Google, and

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Fred Wilson
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 23:53:28 -0600 y...@marupa.net wrote: Which probably demonstrates why there's no hidden agenda going on surrounding systemd and there were legitimate reasons why it was finally chosen. Of course there were legitimate reasons, but only those reasons that are important for

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Brian
On Mon 03 Mar 2014 at 19:04:20 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: The responses that I got from Samsung, were that their printers are not compatible with Debian Linux, after Debian Linux 5. I had contacted Samsung. Manufacturers neglecting to continue support for equipment is nothing new. You choose

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 18:57:09, Bret Busby wrote: I think that it is unfortunate that we are apparently expected to throw out all of our hardware (including printers and other such accessories), and, replace it all, each time a new version of an operating system, is released.

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 19:02:09, Bret Busby wrote: Whilst the device had been able to work with Debian 5, it simply does not work with Debian Linux after Debian 5, other than using a printer driver for, I think the Samsung CL317x series. Did you try splix? Couldn't get splix to work. I'll

Re: Help with GPT

2014-03-03 Thread Sven Hartge
ha hiei.arh...@gmail.com wrote: Last few weekends I struggled with the GPT. I've tried to install debian 7.2 from live DVD (but booting from USB). However, at the end of installation I always receive the message Grub-pc package failed to install into /target/, or something like that. Now, I'm

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Andrei POPESCU writes: I completely disagree. I had quite a nicely complex storage server with trunking and multipath things on, and it was sane and clean. Until one looks under the hood :( With under the hood you mean the assembler code? I did the configuration using the

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 12:52:40PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: own personal computers my sentiments are similar. However my business purposes involve meeting SLAs so reboots once or twice a year can cost a lot of money - so in those circumstances a few minutes makes a lot of difference. Perhaps

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Fred Wilson writes: What systemd brings is something usefull only for companies that has money to pay for high-end servers, clusters, supercomputers I mostly disagree with this point of view, since these machine rarely stop. There could be some benefit in elastic provision ov VMs and if

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 14:29:16, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Andrei POPESCU writes: Systemd can help a bit in making a little easier to have tools that satisfy the (not so) basic need to have this device mounted here if it is plugged, otherwise go ahead with the bootstrap for the completely

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 12:51:18 Brian wrote: What rabbit do you expect Debian to pull out of the hat to fix a closed source driver? You could always run your CLX3185FW with Debian 5. :) Samsung does supply later drivers. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Test

2014-03-03 Thread Brian
On Sun 02 Mar 2014 at 15:12:01 +, Tom Furie wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:24:26PM +, Brian wrote: The interesting questions involve what is happening on bendel after a mail is accepted. 1. Why is any mail delayed for 15 minutes before onward transmission? Could be any

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