Re: Grup de treball sobre tecnologia a la trobada de la Unitat Popular

2014-05-10 Thread Etemenanki
Enric wrote:

 Salut,
 
 és el primer cop que escric a aquesta llista, però ja fa temps que us
 llegeixo. Aprofito per saludar, que per aquí hi ha molta gent coneguda.
 ;-)

Igualment company, pero tú menys el Top-Posting no has fet la cagada que yo 
vaig fer fa uns días. Me he estrenat molt malament. :-(

Salutacions! \(^o^)/


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Re: Wheezy 64 bits et scanner

2014-05-10 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 10:28:29 Yannick VOYEAUD wrote:
 Je cherche vainement à faire fonctionner mon scanner Epson 1670
 Perfection/Photo depuis que je suis passé en 64 bits.

Bon, je vais faire grincer quelques dents.

J'ai eu le même genre de soucis pour faire fonctionner un scanner de diapos 
Nikon. Sane fonctionne plus ou moins bien, mais j'avais un mal fou à 
équilibrer les couleurs.

J'ai fini par acheter vuescan, un logiciel qui contrôle très bien le nikon et 
fonctionne sous Linux. Ce software supporte beaucoup de scanners et sans doute 
ton Epson.

J'aurais préféré utiliser de l'open source, mais là, ce n'est pas possible.

HTH

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Re: Wheezy 64 bits et scanner

2014-05-10 Thread maderios

On 05/10/2014 11:25 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote:


J'aurais préféré utiliser de l'open source, mais là, ce n'est pas possible.


Bonjour
Quel est ton  modèle de scanner de diapo nikon?
Concernant le scanner Epson 1670, c'est un problème de compétence 
utilisateur et non de matériel ou de système.
Pour ma part, j'ai un Epson perfection V750 pro qui fonctionne très bien 
avec Debian + Sane.

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Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs

2014-05-10 Thread Francois Lafont
Le 09/05/2014 20:07, Jean Baptiste FAVRE a écrit :

 J'avoue que moi aussi, ça me laisse perplexe. D'autant que je ne
 vois pas comment la passerelle A.B.C.D peut être atteinte depuis le
 'réseau' A.B.C.D/32 (avec D différent de 1, sinon ce n'est pas du jeu).

 
 C'est juste un lien point à point.
 Du coup le host est obligé de causer à la gateway, y compris pour
 joindre son voisin de rack.
 Ça peut présenter un intérêt en terme de sécurité car tout le trafic
 transite alors par le routeur passerelle. 

Ok, je soupçonnais un truc dans le genre. Effectivement, avec ce
type de config, les seules requêtes ARP who has? que fera la
machine devraient concerner l'IP de la passerelle par défaut
uniquement.

Mais ça fait quand même drôle de se dire que, étant donné la
passerelle par défaut choisie, qu'on est obligé d'ajouter une
route statique pour pouvoir atteindre la-dite passerelle par
défaut.

 Reste que le routeur doit être
 sévèrement dimensionné pour tenir la charge je suppose.

Oui en effet.

 Je n'ai jamais appliqué ça, mais je l'ai vu chez un hébergeur du côté de
 Rennes.

Perso, sur le serveur OVH kimsufi que j'ai, c'est une conf
réseau « classique ». 

Merci beaucoup pour la réponse.

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Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs

2014-05-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Bzzz a écrit :
 On Fri, 09 May 2014 15:24:40 +0200
 Francois Lafont mathsatta...@free.fr wrote:
 
 C'est une drôle de config, je n'avais jamais vu encore.
 Je pensais que la passerelle par défaut se trouvait
 toujours dans le même réseau IP que celui de l'interface
 eth0 (je suppose qu'il n'y a qu'une interface en dehors de lo).
 Apparemment, ce n'est pas forcément le cas.
 
 C'est même rarement le cas dans les gros réseaux

Ah ?

 (sinon, comment un réseau de plus de 254 machines
 pourrait utiliser le même GW).

Il suffit de définir un réseau de taille suffisante.
Tous les réseaux ne sont pas des /24.

 C'est quoi l'intérêt d'une conf comme ça ?
 Ça me semble vraiment tordu mais je me trompe peut-être.

*C'est* tordu. Et ce n'est pas parce que ça marche que c'est la bonne
façon de faire. Au passage, utiliser les options pointopoint et
gateway avec l'adresse de la passerelle à la place des options up
aurait été un peu plus propre et évité l'erreur commise de laisser eth0
dans les commandes des options up.

 Sauf qu'il a une adresse IP publique et qu'il y a certainement
 d'autres adresses IP publiques contiguës au dessus et au-dessous
 de sa/ses propres adresses, d'où le masque.

Mouais. L'OP a dit qu'il avait 5 adresses IP publiques. Si elles sont
contigües ça me fait bougrement penser à un /29, bloc de 8 adresses dont
3 sont réservées comme adresses de réseau (la première), passerelle et
broadcast (la dernière), ce qui en laisse 5 utilisables. Si c'est bien
le cas, alors il n'y a pas lieu de se livrer à toutes ces contorsions.

L'OP a aussi écrit qu'il voulait que les machines virtuelles soient
pontées avec le réseau extérieur, et ça, si le lien hôte-routeur est
réellement de type point à point ou si les 5 adresses ne sont pas dans
un /29, ça risque fort de ne pas marcher.

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Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread andre_debian
Bonsoir à tous,

Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre,
capable de faire de la 3D.
Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows,
sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux.

Merci d'avance.

André

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Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread Bzzz
On Sat, 10 May 2014 22:02:27 +0200
andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

 Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre,
 capable de faire de la 3D.
 Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows,
 sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux.

Demande rejetée, informations insuffisantes.
(3D filaire? volumique? mécanique? animation?
calcul de contraintes? etc).

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M : Mec j'suis un génie ! \o/
R : heu ok mais pourquoi ?
M : j'avais la flemme de rester devant le four pour surveiller la pizza,
alors j'ai mis mon ordi portable sur une chaise face au four !
M : et depuis ma chambre j'ai lancé une conv' skype avec la webcam; comme
ca je vois le four de ma chambre \o/

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Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread maderios

On 05/10/2014 10:02 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Bonsoir à tous,

Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre,
capable de faire de la 3D.
Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows,
sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux.

Merci d'avance.

André


apt-cache search cad 3d
mm3d - OpenGL based 3D model editor
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mm3d
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Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread StéphaneRIGOULOT
  

Bonsoir, 

LibreCAD voir plus d'info ici
http://korben.info/librecad-autocad-gratuit.html
compatible Window$ Mac
et bien sur Linux 

Le 10.05.2014 22:12, Bzzz a écrit : 

 On Sat, 10
May 2014 22:02:27 +0200
 andre_deb...@numericable.fr [1]wrote:
 
 Je
recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de
faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou
Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux.
 
 Demande rejetée,
informations insuffisantes.
 (3D filaire? volumique? mécanique?
animation?
 calcul de contraintes? etc).
 
 -- 
 M : Mec j'suis un
génie ! o/
 R : heu ok mais pourquoi ?
 M : j'avais la flemme de
rester devant le four pour surveiller la pizza,
 alors j'ai mis mon
ordi portable sur une chaise face au four !
 M : et depuis ma chambre
j'ai lancé une conv' skype avec la webcam; comme
 ca je vois le four de
ma chambre o/
 
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Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs

2014-05-10 Thread Gaël
 Je n'ai jamais appliqué ça, mais je l'ai vu chez un hébergeur du côté de
 Rennes.

:)
Ça doit être le même, alors :)


 Du coup le host est obligé de causer à la gateway, y compris pour
 joindre son voisin de rack.
 Ça peut présenter un intérêt en terme de sécurité car tout le trafic
 transite alors par le routeur passerelle.

Bah sauf que c'est la config sur mon serveur, je la change si je veux!
Bon après j'imagine que ça marchera plus...
Je vais demander des infos aux techniciens du DC.


 Sauf qu'il a une adresse IP publique et qu'il y a certainement
 d'autres adresses IP publiques contiguës au dessus et au-dessous
 de sa/ses propres adresses, d'où le masque.

 Mouais. L'OP a dit qu'il avait 5 adresses IP publiques. Si elles sont
 contigües ça me fait bougrement penser à un /29, bloc de 8 adresses dont
 3 sont réservées comme adresses de réseau (la première), passerelle et
 broadcast (la dernière), ce qui en laisse 5 utilisables. Si c'est bien
 le cas, alors il n'y a pas lieu de se livrer à toutes ces contorsions.

Bah elles sont pas contigües.
Et pour l'instant, j'ai pas réussi à avoir mon serveur joignable avec
plusieurs adresses.
J'ai juste ajouté une ligne address A.B.E.F mais le réseau ne démarre plus...
obligé de reboot sur systeme de secours...


 L'OP a aussi écrit qu'il voulait que les machines virtuelles soient
 pontées avec le réseau extérieur, et ça, si le lien hôte-routeur est
 réellement de type point à point ou si les 5 adresses ne sont pas dans
 un /29, ça risque fort de ne pas marcher.

Ah bah là je sais rien du tout, je comprends pas tout bien !


Merci pour vos réponses éclairées, je vous tiens au jus de mes avancées !

Gaël

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Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-10 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Bonjour,

en version 3d il existe freecad qui est au stade alpha et autrement
il est possible d'acheter Varicad qui fonctionne avec linux


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VariCAD


slt
bernard



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Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Carlos Carcamo
Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado
instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje
como este:

locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory

Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando
por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo
como:

$ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en

aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese
comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en los
repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista.

Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de
antemano muchas gracias.

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Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Eduardo A . Bustamante López
On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 11:52:59PM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote:
 Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado
 instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje
 como este:
 
 locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
 
 Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando
 por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo
 como:
 
 $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en
 
 aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese
 comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en los
 repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista.
 
 Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de
 antemano muchas gracias.
 
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Te recomiendo que revises los siguientes materiales:
- https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
- https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage

En específico, en el primer enlace habla de como instalar el locale
que buscas con el ``dpkg-reconfigure locales''.

Si quieres ver qué locales tienes instalados:

| dualbus@debian ~ % locale -a
| C
| C.UTF-8
| en_US.utf8
| es_MX.utf8
| POSIX


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apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me
tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los
repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no
ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el
siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la
web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios
extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update 
apt-get upgrade -y
osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?
  debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree
se actualizen?



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OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que
desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los
chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni
se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad
siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores
que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una
buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo
tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me
compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware...


alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc

IBM  pc
compatibles  inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm
clones  la armas tu


ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm


una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una
una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon


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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Ricardo Eureka!
Lenovo no bajo su calidad ni estandares en comparacion a cuando la etiqueta
decia IBM.
Uso IBMs y posterioremente Lenovos desde 2000 y siempre pero siempres son
un fierro muy por encima de cualquiera de sus competidoras HP o Dell, por
ejemplo.


El 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:15, Edward Villarroel (EDD) 
edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:

 le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que
 desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los
 chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni
 se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad
 siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores
 que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una
 buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo
 tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me
 compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware...


 alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc

 IBM  pc
 compatibles  inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm
 clones  la armas tu


 ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que
 era ibm


 una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una
 una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon


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Re: Generación dinámica de archivo de log con rsyslog

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 15:40:14 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:

 El 09/05/14 15:11, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 Mi pregunta en concreto es, el operador (o como sea que se llame
 dentro de la jerga de rsyslog) ?, corresponde al formato viejo,
 nuevo o a ambos? Perdón si por tanta pavada generé tanto lío, pero
 como ya se habló la documentación de rsyslog es un lío.

 No le daría muchas muchas vueltas a eso del formato ya que si usas algo
 que no sea compatible con tu versión no te funcionará y te registrará
 el error.


 Si, mi única preocupación es que el día de mañana deje de estar
 soportado el formato viejo (como dice la documentación que va a pasar),
 por eso quería dejar todo en el formato nuevo. 

Ya has visto que la sintaxis de la versión 5 no era compatible con la de 
la versión 8 y es una pena que no se hayan preocupado de mantener la 
compatibilidad con los archivos de configuración de versiones anteriores, 
pero lo que sí que podrían hacer al menos es documentar las 
modificaciones en relación 1:1 aunque parece que sí están documentados 
algunos cambios importantes entre versiones:

http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8compatibility.html
http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7compatibility.html
http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v6compatibility.html
http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v5compatibility.html

(...)

 Pero según parece el uso del selector ? sirve tanto para la sintaxis
 vieja como para la nueva. Se ve que haciendo:
 
 ?HOSTS;CustomFormat_Hosts
 
 El uso del módulo omfile está implícito. Estas dos páginas aclaran un
 poco más el asunto (pero igual la documentación es muy confusa):
 
 http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7-stable/configuration/actions.html
 http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7-stable/configuration/templates.html
 
 Al que le interese busque todo lo relacionado con dynamic dentro de
 ellas.

Exacto... en los ejemplos de configuración que aparecen en los enlaces 
que mandas, se lee (y bien como dices relacionado con los nombres 
dinámicos):

***
Dynamic filenames are indicated by specifying a questions mark ”?” 
instead of a slash, followed by the template name. Thus, the selector 
line for our dynamic file name would look as follows:

(...)

Creating directories is also supported. For example you can use the 
hostname as directory and the program name as file name:

$template DynFile,/var/log/%HOSTNAME%/%programname%.log
***

Y también es válido para la versión 8.

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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread José Antonio Podadera Moya
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD) 
edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:

 buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me
 tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los
 repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no
 ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el
 siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la
 web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios
 extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update 
 apt-get upgrade -y
 osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?
   debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
 como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree
 se actualizen?


Efectivamente, así es. APT no puede actualizar ningún paquete DEB instalado
cuyo nombre no esté incluido en alguna de sus fuentes. Una cosa es la
información que mantiene DPKG, sobre el software instalado en el sistema, y
otra la que mantiene APT, sobre las fuentes u orígenes de paquetes.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.html

Saludos.

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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
tienes las lista de repositorios para jessi nofree y nocontrib? porfavor!!
Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd



El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:17, José Antonio Podadera Moya
j...@rodypo.es escribió:
 El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD)
 edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:

 buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me
 tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los
 repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no
 ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el
 siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la
 web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios
 extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update 
 apt-get upgrade -y
 osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?
   debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
 como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree
 se actualizen?


 Efectivamente, así es. APT no puede actualizar ningún paquete DEB instalado
 cuyo nombre no esté incluido en alguna de sus fuentes. Una cosa es la
 información que mantiene DPKG, sobre el software instalado en el sistema, y
 otra la que mantiene APT, sobre las fuentes u orígenes de paquetes.

 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.html

 Saludos.

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Re: Generación dinámica de archivo de log con rsyslog

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 15:17:04 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:

(...)

 Ja, miren esto (si tienen un tiempito):
 
 http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7-stable/configuration/actions.html
 
 Lo que yo estoy haciendo (el uso de ? para generar archivos
 dinámicamente) está dentro de la sección Legacy, pero no aclara como
 hacer lo mismo utilizando la sintaxis nueva.

(...)

Hum... bueno, no está dentro de la sección Legacy Description sino que 
pertenece a Regular File, no creo que se considere una sintaxis 
obsoleta en las nuevas versiones, por lo que entiendo puedes descansar 
tranquilo :-)

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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread José Antonio Podadera Moya
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 15:53, Edward Villarroel (EDD) 
edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:

 tienes las lista de repositorios para jessi nofree y nocontrib? porfavor!!
 Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd



 El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:17, José Antonio Podadera Moya
 j...@rodypo.es escribió:
  El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD)
  edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:
 
  buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me
  tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los
  repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no
  ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el
  siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la
  web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios
  extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update 
  apt-get upgrade -y
  osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?
debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
  como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree
  se actualizen?
 
 
  Efectivamente, así es. APT no puede actualizar ningún paquete DEB
 instalado
  cuyo nombre no esté incluido en alguna de sus fuentes. Una cosa es la
  información que mantiene DPKG, sobre el software instalado en el
 sistema, y
  otra la que mantiene APT, sobre las fuentes u orígenes de paquetes.
 
  https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.html


Simplemente localiza la línea donde tengas configurada la fuente main y
añadele contrib y non-free a continuación:

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

Sustituye jessie por testing si de manera prolongada usas la rama testing.

Saludos.

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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote:
 cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la
 web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios
 extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update 
 apt-get upgrade -y
 osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?

Efectivamente, no se actualizan a menos que esté disponible alguna
versión posterior en alguna de las líneas de apt que tengas.

   debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
 como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree
 se actualizen?

Pues sí, yo creo que es lo mejor y lo más cómodo.


Si quieres tener el software no libre a raya, te recomiendo el
paquete vrms. Es un Richard Stallman virtual que te dice lo que
tienes instalado del non-free.


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Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Carlos Carcamo
No he podido aun, en mi caso tengo:

~$ locale -a
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory
C
C.UTF-8
POSIX


Luego si hago:

$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = es_SV:es,
LC_ALL = es_SV.UTF-8,
LANG = es_SV.UTF-8
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed

si trato de hacer:
~$ export LC_ALL=es_SV.UTF-8
bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (es_SV.UTF-8)

Trate tambien con:
~$ locale-gen es_SV.UTF-8

recibo: locale-gen: command not found, aun si lo hago con sudo

Alguna sugerencia?


El 10 de mayo de 2014, 0:37, Eduardo A. Bustamante López
dual...@gmail.comescribió:

 On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 11:52:59PM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote:
  Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he
 estado
  instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un
 mensaje
  como este:
 
  locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
  locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
 directory
  locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
 
  Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando
  por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo
  como:
 
  $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en
 
  aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese
  comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en los
  repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista.
 
  Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de
  antemano muchas gracias.
 
  --
  El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal

 Te recomiendo que revises los siguientes materiales:
 - https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
 - https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage

 En específico, en el primer enlace habla de como instalar el locale
 que buscas con el ``dpkg-reconfigure locales''.

 Si quieres ver qué locales tienes instalados:

 | dualbus@debian ~ % locale -a
 | C
 | C.UTF-8
 | en_US.utf8
 | es_MX.utf8
 | POSIX


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Re: porque squid me permite descargar correo externo, siendo que no soporta SMPT/POP3

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 20:25:34 -0300, Flako escribió:

 Hola Estoy usando Debian 5.0 como proxy con:  squid-common
 2.7.STABLE3-4.1 //  squidguard   1.2.0-8.4 //  shorewall  4.0.15-1 Por
 alguna razón que no comprendo cuando configuro un cliente de correo con
 el proxy   'proxy_ip:3128' funciona el correo externo, esto es  bueno
 que lo haga, pero no comprendo que configuración de squid permite hacer
 eso.

¿Dónde has configurado exactamente esos parámetros de proxy y de qué 
cliente de correo se trata?

 Es decir, tengo entendido que squid solo es proxy de http/s, este no
 permite ser proxy de smtp/pop3 para eso necesito un server socks y como
 no lo tengo, no entiendo porque funciona .

Si te funciona el acceso al correo externo podría ser porque el cliente 
de correo no detecta o no implementa correctamente la configuración que 
le hayas indicado para la conexión a través del proxy.

 Ademas que me gustaria saber que se me esta pasando (conceptualmente),
 también necesito configurar otro server_proxy que lo tengo con IPCOP
 (squid+dansguardian) donde el correo externo no funciona  atreves del
 proxy (dansguardian - squid)
 
 Porque funciona en Debian y no en IPCOP? (los dos usan squid)

(...)

Icop podría estar bloqueando el acceso a los puertos remotos 25/110 de 
otra forma, bien mediante iptables/dansguardian. 

De todas formas también puedes buscar en Google ya que seguramente se trate 
de un tema concurrente:

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#complete=0hl=enq=squid+smtptbs=qdr:y

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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
y no tengo una forma de actualizarlo sin necesidad de meterle los
repositorios nofree que descargar cada x tiempo el paquete e
reinstalarlo
Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd



El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:23, Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es escribió:
 On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote:
 cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la
 web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios
 extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update 
 apt-get upgrade -y
 osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?

 Efectivamente, no se actualizan a menos que esté disponible alguna
 versión posterior en alguna de las líneas de apt que tengas.

   debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
 como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree
 se actualizen?

 Pues sí, yo creo que es lo mejor y lo más cómodo.


 Si quieres tener el software no libre a raya, te recomiendo el
 paquete vrms. Es un Richard Stallman virtual que te dice lo que
 tienes instalado del non-free.


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Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 23:52:59 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió:

 Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he
 estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver
 un mensaje como este:
 
 locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
 directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or
 directory
 
 Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local,

(...)

El paquete locales gestiona toda la configuración de la localización e 
idiomas del sistema, no es un paquete baladí y seguro que lo tienes 
instalado porque se trata de un paquete base.

Si te aparece ese mensaje al instalar algún paquete puedes intentar 
reconfigurar el locale y/o seguir estos pasos:

Fixing the locale problem in Debian
http://hexample.com/2012/02/05/fixing-locale-problem-debian/

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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:26:47 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia
 inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los
 repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no
 ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el
 siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web
 de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras
 pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update  apt-get upgrade
 -y
 osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?

No, claro, no tienen de dónde actualizarse ya que los instalaste 
manualmente desde un recurso local.

   debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
 como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen?

Sí, claro, y después de añadirlos recuerda actualizar la base de datos de 
paquetes con apt-get update.

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Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread José Antonio Podadera Moya
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 16:19, Carlos Carcamo eazyd...@gmail.com escribió:

 No he podido aun, en mi caso tengo:

 ~$ locale -a

 locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory
 C
 C.UTF-8
 POSIX


 Luego si hago:

 $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
 LANGUAGE = es_SV:es,
 LC_ALL = es_SV.UTF-8,
 LANG = es_SV.UTF-8
 are supported and installed on your system.
 perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).

 locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
 /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed

 si trato de hacer:
 ~$ export LC_ALL=es_SV.UTF-8
 bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (es_SV.UTF-8)

 Trate tambien con:
 ~$ locale-gen es_SV.UTF-8

 recibo: locale-gen: command not found, aun si lo hago con sudo

 Alguna sugerencia?


 El 10 de mayo de 2014, 0:37, Eduardo A. Bustamante López 
 dual...@gmail.com escribió:

 On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 11:52:59PM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote:
  Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he
 estado
  instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un
 mensaje
  como este:
 
  locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
  locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
 directory
  locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
 
  Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando
  por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo
  como:
 
  $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en
 
  aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese
  comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en
 los
  repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista.
 
  Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de
  antemano muchas gracias.
 
  --
  El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal

 Te recomiendo que revises los siguientes materiales:
 - https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
 - https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage

 En específico, en el primer enlace habla de como instalar el locale
 que buscas con el ``dpkg-reconfigure locales''.

 Si quieres ver qué locales tienes instalados:

 | dualbus@debian ~ % locale -a
 | C
 | C.UTF-8
 | en_US.utf8
 | es_MX.utf8
 | POSIX


Parece que tienes el paquete locales en un estado inconsistente/roto. Trata
de reinstalar el paquete de una de estas formas:

a) apt-get install --reinstall locales
b) aptitude reinstall locales
c) dpkg -P --force-depends locales  apt-get install -f

Cuidado con la última, con ella te estas saltando la comprobación de
dependencias de DPKG... Si usas dicha opción, realiza los comandos uno
detrás del otro, sin que falte ninguno.

Finalmente, trata nuevamente de reconfigurarlo con dpkg-reconfigure.

Saludos.

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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que
 desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los
 chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se
 parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad
 siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que
 e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas
 maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una
 del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la
 sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware...

IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo 
que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes.

Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado 
notablemente.

 alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc
 
 IBM  pc compatibles  inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm
 clones  la armas tu

Nunca leí nada semejante :-)

Entiendo que los tipos de ordenadores se pueden clasificar básicamente en 
dos grandes grupo: 1/ los clónicos (montados pieza a pieza de manera 
individualizada) o los prediseñados por fabricantes (hp, toshiba, 
dell...).

 ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que
 era ibm

 una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una
 una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon

Me gustan los portátiles de HP (que además suelen ser compatibles con 
linux) y los de Toshiba (que dan más problemas con linux pero en cuestión 
de hardware duran años y años) pero siempre intento comprar la gama 
empresarial (tecra/portege para toshiba y elitebook para hp).

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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Etemenanki
Santiago Vila wrote:

 On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote:
 cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la
 web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios
 extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update 
 apt-get upgrade -y
 osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion?
 
 Efectivamente, no se actualizan a menos que esté disponible alguna
 versión posterior en alguna de las líneas de apt que tengas.
 
   debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes
 como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree
 se actualizen?
 
 Pues sí, yo creo que es lo mejor y lo más cómodo.
 
 
 Si quieres tener el software no libre a raya, te recomiendo el
 paquete vrms. Es un Richard Stallman virtual que te dice lo que
 tienes instalado del non-free.
 

Y también en contrib. xD

vrms supervisa todo lo instalado en contrib + non-free.

   $ aptitude show vrms

The vrms program will analyze the set of currently-installed packages on a 
Debian-based system, and report all of the packages from the *non-free* and 
*contrib* trees which are currently installed. (Resumen) 

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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread carlopmart



On 05/10/2014 02:41 PM, Camaleón wrote:

El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:


le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que
desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los
chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se
parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad
siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que
e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas
maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una
del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la
sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware...


IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo
que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes.

Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado
notablemente.


alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc

IBM  pc compatibles  inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm
clones  la armas tu


Nunca leí nada semejante :-)

Entiendo que los tipos de ordenadores se pueden clasificar básicamente en
dos grandes grupo: 1/ los clónicos (montados pieza a pieza de manera
individualizada) o los prediseñados por fabricantes (hp, toshiba,
dell...).


ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que
era ibm

una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una
una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon


Me gustan los portátiles de HP (que además suelen ser compatibles con
linux) y los de Toshiba (que dan más problemas con linux pero en cuestión
de hardware duran años y años) pero siempre intento comprar la gama
empresarial (tecra/portege para toshiba y elitebook para hp).

Saludos,



Uhmmm .. Pues personalmente en la arquitectura x86/PC, opino que no hay 
nada que supere a los Thinkpad serie T (solo uno: el thinkPad X1 carbon 
que cuesta una pasta infumable).


Cualquier distro linux, cualquier sistema BSD (incluyendo Solaris) y 
cualquier Windows funciona en thinkpads de serie T.


Yo tengo un T61 (desde el que escribo esto) y es un dual core de los 
primeros que salieron con 3 GiB y es capaz de hacer correr hasta un 
Windows 2012 R2 de forma fluida ...


Eso a dia de hoy no lo he visto en Dell, HP (ambos misma morralla IMO) o 
toshiba. Sí, es cierto que los toshiba de gama profesional se acercan 
mucho a los Thinkpad de serie T, pero siguen sin ser full comptibles a 
linux, cosa que los thinkpad sí.


Otro tema distinto son los lenovo de serie L, G y demás bichos. Ahí si 
que se notan que son chinos ... En cambio las gamas Thinkpad, lenovo 
las tiene que cuidar y ponerlas a nivel profesional, ya que eso fue un 
acuerdo con IBM (y el gov de USA) cuando adquirieron la división de 
portátiles ... pero fíjate tú, que es el propio gobierno USA el que no 
compra ningún portátil de lenovo ... Cosas de la vida.


saludos.


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Re: apt-get repositorios

2014-05-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 09:55:19AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote:
 y no tengo una forma de actualizarlo sin necesidad de meterle los
 repositorios nofree que descargar cada x tiempo el paquete e
 reinstalarlo

¿Lo preguntas? (Por favor usa ¿ y ?, que esto no es un SMS).

Si no quieres añadir non-free a la línea de apt que ya tengas,
podrías poner un script en el cron que se baje la lista de paquetes,
compare la versión disponible con la que tienes instalada y te avise.

Pero es que eso ya lo hace apt: Bajarse la lista de paquetes y
comparar versión instalada con versión disponible.

¿Qué es lo que ganas *no* teniendo non-free en sources.list cuando
*ya* has instalado algún paquete de non-free? (Ya tiene que ser grande
la ventaja para que tengas que andar actualizando los paquetes a
mano, pero no soy capaz de imaginarme esa ventaja).


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Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:19:02AM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote:
 
 $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
 LANGUAGE = es_SV:es,

Busca en qué sitio has puesto es_SV:es y quítalo.

Si usas es_SV.UTF-8 y no hay traducción para es_ES ya usará
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Re: Problemas imprimir impresora red en Debian

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 09 May 2014 18:29:59 +0200, José Antonio Podadera Moya escribió:

 El 9 de mayo de 2014, 16:25, Camaleón
 noela...@gmail.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?
view=cmfs=1tf=1to=noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 
 El Fri, 09 May 2014 10:37:05 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

(...)

  Pues no sé, estoy probando con otros controladores el 2000, 2600 y
  tampoco me funciona... se me queda encolado la impresión y no sale...
 
  No sé que más probar...

 Hum... ¿no leíste el mensaje de la lista de correo que te pasé?

 Te propongo que intentes lo siguiente. Yo tengo una Epson Workforce Pro,
 y al menos en referencia a mi modelo, los controladores que proporciona
 la propia Epson son los que mejor funcionan y menos problemas me dan.

(...)

Que es lo que comentan en el hilo de la lista de correo que le pasé a 
Maykel y al tratarse de una impresora GDI (peor imposible, pisapapeles 
las llaman en Openprinting) pocas opciones tiene.

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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 10 May 2014 15:59:29 +, carlopmart escribió:

 On 05/10/2014 02:41 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

(...)

 ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo
 que era ibm

 una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una
 una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon

 Me gustan los portátiles de HP (que además suelen ser compatibles con
 linux) y los de Toshiba (que dan más problemas con linux pero en
 cuestión de hardware duran años y años) pero siempre intento comprar la
 gama empresarial (tecra/portege para toshiba y elitebook para hp).

 Uhmmm .. Pues personalmente en la arquitectura x86/PC, opino que no hay
 nada que supere a los Thinkpad serie T (solo uno: el thinkPad X1 carbon
 que cuesta una pasta infumable).
 
 Cualquier distro linux, cualquier sistema BSD (incluyendo Solaris) y
 cualquier Windows funciona en thinkpads de serie T.
 
 Yo tengo un T61 (desde el que escribo esto) y es un dual core de los
 primeros que salieron con 3 GiB y es capaz de hacer correr hasta un
 Windows 2012 R2 de forma fluida ...

Bueno, ya sabes la importancia de elegir componentes que sean compatibles 
con linux, más aún en sistemas portátiles.

En los Toshiba que te probado (tecra) lo que nunca logré hacer funcionar 
sobre linux fue el módem integrado pero por lo demás no he tenido 
problemas serios de incompatibilidad. Y en cuanto a hardware, tenemos en 
la oficina un Tecra 500-CDT¹ funcionando :-)

De todas formas, me da la nariz que todos los fabricantes están 
atontando sus equipos portátiles de gama empresarial, pocos veo hoy en 
día que tengan resoluciones 5:4 y pantalla sin brillo (mate) y es una 
pena.

 Eso a dia de hoy no lo he visto en Dell, HP (ambos misma morralla IMO) o
 toshiba. Sí, es cierto que los toshiba de gama profesional se acercan
 mucho a los Thinkpad de serie T, pero siguen sin ser full comptibles a
 linux, cosa que los thinkpad sí.
 
 Otro tema distinto son los lenovo de serie L, G y demás bichos. Ahí si
 que se notan que son chinos ... En cambio las gamas Thinkpad, lenovo
 las tiene que cuidar y ponerlas a nivel profesional, ya que eso fue un
 acuerdo con IBM (y el gov de USA) cuando adquirieron la división de
 portátiles ... pero fíjate tú, que es el propio gobierno USA el que no
 compra ningún portátil de lenovo ... Cosas de la vida.

¿No eran los Thinkpad los que estaban certificados para la ISS? Pero 
vaya, que para quienes estamos el 100% del tiempo en la Tierra tampoco es 
necesario tener un portátil que aguante radiación elevada :-P

¹http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOqY0M7xMjc

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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
mi thinkpad dice a aguanta agua! y no aguanto medio vaso de agua y se
quemo por todos lados la mande a reparar y tampoco funciono! la deje
6meses undida en arroz y resucito de entre los muertos! pero como
dicen arriba se les nota lo chino... no como antes que eran unos
verdaderos tanques de guerra!!



en mi experiencia personal veo que lenovo quiere matar la marca y no
veo que otro modelo empresarial le llegue cerca!

las hp TODAS dejan cosas que desear con la refigeracion y en
compatibilidad ni se diga! lo unico que no e podido hacer funcionar en
mi lenovo sl410 es:

el lector de huellas
el airback (el acelerometro)
y un lector de SIM que tiene pero eso no supe como hacerlo funcionar
ni en (windows)

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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
y disculpa que mande otro correo pero en 3 años ya le e tenido que
cambiar el fan cooler por que estaba sonando horrible
Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd



El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:03, Ricardo Eureka!
ricardoeur...@gmail.com escribió:
 Lenovo no bajo su calidad ni estandares en comparacion a cuando la etiqueta
 decia IBM.
 Uso IBMs y posterioremente Lenovos desde 2000 y siempre pero siempres son un
 fierro muy por encima de cualquiera de sus competidoras HP o Dell, por
 ejemplo.


 El 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:15, Edward Villarroel (EDD)
 edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:

 le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que
 desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los
 chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni
 se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad
 siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores
 que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una
 buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo
 tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me
 compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware...


 alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc

 IBM  pc
 compatibles  inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm
 clones  la armas tu


 ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que
 era ibm


 una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una
 una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon


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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread carlopmart



On 05/10/2014 05:15 PM, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote:

mi thinkpad dice a aguanta agua! y no aguanto medio vaso de agua y se
quemo por todos lados la mande a reparar y tampoco funciono! la deje
6meses undida en arroz y resucito de entre los muertos! pero como
dicen arriba se les nota lo chino... no como antes que eran unos
verdaderos tanques de guerra!!



en mi experiencia personal veo que lenovo quiere matar la marca y no
veo que otro modelo empresarial le llegue cerca!

las hp TODAS dejan cosas que desear con la refigeracion y en
compatibilidad ni se diga! lo unico que no e podido hacer funcionar en
mi lenovo sl410 es:

el lector de huellas
el airback (el acelerometro)
y un lector de SIM que tiene pero eso no supe como hacerlo funcionar
ni en (windows)

Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd




Pero es que el SL410 es chino, chino ... nada que ver con thinkpads ... 
En mi empresa hicimos una prueba con un T410 (creo que era) que 
consistía en tirarlo desde una mesa ... Ni se enteró .. Hicimos lo mismo 
con un HP, y al carajo portátil ...


Como se ha dicho antes, lo único que se asemeja, y solo tal vez, son los 
Toshiba de gama tecra ... las demás marcas ni por asomo ...


Personalmente, mientras no tenga datos en contra, siempre que pueda 
permitirme un thinkpad es la única marca que compraré ...


saludos.


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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
no digo eso si pero nunca cuando usas un computador no notas que se
comporta de forma rara. que eres capas de darte cuenta que algo no
anda bien como solo abrir un programa! o mover el raton...

y si mi lenovo es ultra silenciosa
jamas de los jamas se queda pegada(ni con windows)cuando lo use
pero si siento una degradacion en la marca! si aun no e probado las x1
pero siento que la tradicion del super computador aprueba de pisadas
de tanque esta como degradada! ojo no cambio mi lenovo por otra marca
aun! buenos si si ibm sacara otra ves computadoras portatiles



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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
y cuando digo chino es a (baja calidad)


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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Felix Perez
El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que
 desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los
 chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se
 parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad
 siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que
 e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas
 maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una
 del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la
 sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware...

 IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo
 que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes.

 Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado
 notablemente.

 alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc

 IBM  pc compatibles  inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm
 clones  la armas tu

Eso era hace unos 30 años atrás más o menos, hoy en día no tiene sentido.

Por favor podrías darte el trabajo y tiempo de redactar y escribir
correctamente, o por lo menos de intentarlo.  Me da la impresión que o
eres un ignorante o estas borracho o drogado.
Gracias.




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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Francisco javier
El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 13:45, Felix Perez
felix.listadeb...@gmail.com escribió:
 El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que
 desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los
 chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se
 parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad
 siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que
 e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas
 maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una
 del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la
 sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware...

 IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo
 que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes.

 Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado
 notablemente.

 alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc

 IBM  pc compatibles  inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm
 clones  la armas tu

 Eso era hace unos 30 años atrás más o menos, hoy en día no tiene sentido.

 Por favor podrías darte el trabajo y tiempo de redactar y escribir
 correctamente, o por lo menos de intentarlo.  Me da la impresión que o
 eres un ignorante o estas borracho o drogado.
 Gracias.




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se olvidan de los latitude de dell, nunca me han dado problemas, y
siempre funciona todo en linux. tengo un 4300 de 13'' y, tiene
pantalla mate .


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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en
mi pais! VE


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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Francisco javier
2014-05-10 18:38 GMT-04:00 Edward Villarroel (EDD)
edward.villarr...@gmail.com:
 se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en
 mi pais! VE


si, mi novia tiene un lenovo thinkpad, y en la calidad de las piezas
son casi igual de resistentes, y en el rendimiento, el dell solo le
gana porque tiene un ssd
pd: el latitude lo compre directamente el la pagina de dell
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Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad

2014-05-10 Thread Ramses
Buenas,

El 11/05/2014, a las 00:38, Edward Villarroel (EDD) 
edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:

 se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en
 mi pais! VE

Por lo que veo, muchas quejas sobre el HTML, el TOP Posting,... Pero, ¿no se 
queja nadie de la redacción de los correos, signos de puntuación, 
mayúsculas,.?

Venga, que alguien lea el primer post de este hilo aprovechando los puntos y 
las comas para respirar...

No todo es informática, también hay que tener en cuenta que lo que mandamos a 
una lista, lo lee gente, que intenta ayudar, y si lo que se manda es un saco de 
palabras, pues...


Saludos, y sin ánimo de ofender, pero sí de que se tenga en cuenta este tema,

Ramses


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Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...

2014-05-10 Thread Carlos Carcamo
creo mi problema fue que instale unos paquetes de la rama jessie en wheezy,
por ejemplo cuando hago:
$sudo apt-get install -f locales
me aparece algo como:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 apache2-mpm-prefork : Depends: apache2.2-bin (= 2.2.22-13+deb7u1) but it
is not going to be install

tratando de instalar unos paquetes me dice algo como:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
gedit : Depends: libpeas-1.0-0 (= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be
installed
 Depends: gir1.2-freedesktop but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: gir1.2-gtk-3.0 but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: gir1.2-pango-1.0 but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: python-gi-cairo (= 3.0) but it is not going to be
installed
 Depends: gir1.2-peas-1.0 but it is not going to be installed

A lo mejor instale algo que hizo que me de el problema de locales, alguna
idea de como sulucionar mi problema?



2014-05-10 10:13 GMT-06:00 Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es:

 On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:19:02AM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote:
 
  $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
  perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
  perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
  LANGUAGE = es_SV:es,

 Busca en qué sitio has puesto es_SV:es y quítalo.

 Si usas es_SV.UTF-8 y no hay traducción para es_ES ya usará
 simplemente es cuando haga falta.


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Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable

2014-05-10 Thread Per Andersson
2014-05-09 12:15 GMT+02:00 Staffan Melin (Oscillator)
staffan.me...@oscillator.se:
 Hej!

 Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest
 (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats
 till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av klienten/programmet
 (0.49). Debian stable har bara 0.31 har jag för mig.

Ja, det är version 0.3.1 i wheezy/stable, jessie och sid (testing och unstable)
har version 0.4.9.


 Hur ska jag tänka kring att indtroducera nyare paket? Jag vill inte
 bryta något i min välfungerande stable-installation (det är min
 arbetsdator som jag är starkt beroende av). Bäst att kompilera själv?

Jag rekommenderar att du kör ett mixat system med stable och testing
och installerar minetest från testing. En utförlig guide finns på forumet

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=15612

Numer kör jag sid/unstable men för länge sen kört mixade system med
framgång. Det kräver lite mer uppmärksamhet för att hålla koll på
installationen. T ex är det bra att installera apt-listbugs för att hålla koll
på buggar. (Det är vad jag fortfarande kör för att fånga potentiellt horribla
buggar.)


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Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable

2014-05-10 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
On Fri, 9 May 2014 06:15:44 -0400,
Staffan Melin (Oscillator)staffan.me...@oscillator.se wrote:

Hej!

Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest
(MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats
till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av klienten/programmet
(0.49). Debian stable har bara 0.31 har jag för mig.

Hur ska jag tänka kring att indtroducera nyare paket? Jag vill inte
bryta något i min välfungerande stable-installation (det är min
arbetsdator som jag är starkt beroende av). Bäst att kompilera själv?


Jag hade rapporterat en bugg till den paketansvarige och frågat om dom
inte hade kunnat tillhandahålla en bakåtportering (alltså versionen av
MineTest från uttestningsutgåvan, fast ombyggd för stabila utgåvan, och
därmed endast med beroenden från stabila utgåvan).

Dock är ju inte alla paketansvariga så pigga på sånt, men det är ju en
annan fråga...

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Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable

2014-05-10 Thread Anders Jackson
Hej!

Den 10 maj 2014 21:59 skrev Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se:

 On Fri, 9 May 2014 06:15:44 -0400,
 Staffan Melin (Oscillator)staffan.me...@oscillator.se wrote:

 Hej!
 
 Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest
 (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats
 till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av klienten/programmet
 (0.49). Debian stable har bara 0.31 har jag för mig.
 
 Hur ska jag tänka kring att indtroducera nyare paket? Jag vill inte
 bryta något i min välfungerande stable-installation (det är min
 arbetsdator som jag är starkt beroende av). Bäst att kompilera själv?
 

 Jag hade rapporterat en bugg till den paketansvarige och frågat om dom
 inte hade kunnat tillhandahålla en bakåtportering (alltså versionen av
 MineTest från uttestningsutgåvan, fast ombyggd för stabila utgåvan, och
 därmed endast med beroenden från stabila utgåvan).

Du kan ju själv bygga paketet från källkoden, brukar inte vara så svårt.
Se till att du har apt-src med från testning bara. Och hoppas att du inte
behöver installera något annat än paket från backport.d.o

/Anders


Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Amigo hein... :)


Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:41, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Cola isto em seu terminal
 :(){ :|: };:

 máquina vai morrer, Você pode limitar

 Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
 Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

 #=+
 #!/usr/bin/env python
 nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
 email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
 print nome
 print email
 #==+


 Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:24, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Ola pessoal,

 Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina,
 isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso constatar a
 confiabilidade da máquina.

 Memtest para testar memoria já usei.





Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Pois é, ainda bem que pedi para estressar o computador, se tivesse pedido
para estressar meu gerente ele tinha enviando um 'rm -fR /' :)


Em 9 de maio de 2014 16:06, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Tipo manda um forkbomb qnd o cara quer fazer teste é sacanagem...rs

 Em 09/05/14, Sinval Júniorsinva...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Cola isto em seu terminal
  :(){ :|: };:
 
  máquina vai morrer, Você pode limitar
 
  Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
  1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
  2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
  Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.
 
  #=+
  #!/usr/bin/env python
  nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
  email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
  print nome
  print email
  #==+
 
 
  Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:24, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu:
 
  Ola pessoal,
 
  Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina,
  isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso
 constatar
  a
  confiabilidade da máquina.
 
  Memtest para testar memoria já usei.
 
 


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Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Tem outra distro bastante sugestiva de nome streesslinux.
O problema é que larga na linha de comando e voce decide o que fazer como
se eu soubesse os programas que há.
Eu queria deixar a maquina ligada 1 ou 2 dias para ter certeza de que ela
não travaria.


Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:36, Geowany Galdino geowany.a...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Boa tarde, hamacker!

 Eu também tenho interesse em aplicativos que façam isso. Semana passada
 estava olhando a lista de live cds do multisystem (aplicativo para criação
 de live usb) e vi uma distro chamada inquisitor, que salvo engano é
 baseada no Debian.

 Att,


 On 9 de maio de 2014 13h24min37s GMT-05:00, hamacker 
 sirhamac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ola pessoal,

 Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina,
 isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso constatar a
 confiabilidade da máquina.

 Memtest para testar memoria já usei.


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Re: Programa para stressar o computador.

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Vou experimenta-lo depois posto o resultado.


Em 9 de maio de 2014 19:35, Geowany Alves geowany.a...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Ainda não tive tempo de testar, mas segue o link:

 http://www.inquisitor.ru/about/

 Inquisitor is an open-source hardware testing and certification system,
 suitable for both enterprise and home use, customizable, modular and
 available in both serverless Live CD/DVD format and server-controlled
 network boot production system. It can 
 analysehttp://www.inquisitor.ru/doc/detect.htmland
 test http://www.inquisitor.ru/doc/tests/index.html your hardware from
 top to the bottom and assure that it won’t fail easily under the production
 stress.

 *Geowany Galdino Alves*
 *Assistente em Tecnologia da Informação - NTI/UFAC*
 *Acadêmico em Licenciatura Plena - HISTÓRIA/UFAC*


 Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:35, Wallace Nascimento Paraizo 
 wallacepara...@gmail.com escreveu:

 apt-get install stress

 http://www.dicas-l.com.br/arquivo/efetuando_stress-test_em_servidores_unix..php
 https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=stress

 abs


  Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:36, Geowany Galdino 
 geowany.a...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Boa tarde, hamacker!

 Eu também tenho interesse em aplicativos que façam isso. Semana passada
 estava olhando a lista de live cds do multisystem (aplicativo para criação
 de live usb) e vi uma distro chamada inquisitor, que salvo engano é
 baseada no Debian.

 Att,


 On 9 de maio de 2014 13h24min37s GMT-05:00, hamacker 
 sirhamac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ola pessoal,

 Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina,
 isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso constatar a
 confiabilidade da máquina.

 Memtest para testar memoria já usei.


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Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-10 Thread hamacker
Asus foi o melhor notebook que já tive.
Mas tinha algo que não funcionava direito no Linux, as teclas de Fn para
suspender, diminuir brilho, etc...


Em 8 de maio de 2014 08:56, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:

 Eu possuo um Dell e não tive problemas com drivers.

 O Novena agrada os olhos. Talvez um dia eu possa adquirir.

 Alguém aí teve/tem experiência com notebooks da Asus, quanto aos drivers?

 ~Edson Silva
 graduate in information systems
 formed in technical of computer networking
 cv: http://lattes.cnpq.br/6410349625995656
 twitter: @edsonlead
   Em Quinta-feira, 8 de Maio de 2014 0:48, André Nunes Batista 
 andrenbati...@gmail.com escreveu:
  On Wed, 2014-05-07 at 22:25 -0300, Henrique Fagundes wrote:

  Amigo,
 
  Prefira equipamentos das marcas Dell ou Itautec.
 
  Abraços.
 
  Atenciosamente,
 
  Henrique Fagundes
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  Fred Maranhão escreveu:
   Caros,
  
   estou pensando em comprar um notebook e gostaria de instalar o mínimo
   possível de coisas fora dos repositórios main do debian. ou seja,
   instalar o mínimo de coisas do repositório non-free e coisas não
   empacotadas.
  
   alguém tem alguma sugetão de modelo (ou marca) que eu não tenha que
   ficar instalando software (principalmente drivers) não-DFSG?

  
  
 
 

 Se vc estiver disposto a pagar e esperar, um projeto promissor:

 http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop

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Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-10 Thread Gunther Furtado
Tenho um Itautec, batidinho já, que sempre se deu bem com o debian sid
com gnome-shell. Sem senões.

abs.,

Em 10.05.2014, sábado, hamacker disse:

 Asus foi o melhor notebook que já tive.
 Mas tinha algo que não funcionava direito no Linux, as teclas de Fn
 para suspender, diminuir brilho, etc...
 
 
 Em 8 de maio de 2014 08:56, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br
 escreveu:
 
  Eu possuo um Dell e não tive problemas com drivers.
 
  O Novena agrada os olhos. Talvez um dia eu possa adquirir.
 
  Alguém aí teve/tem experiência com notebooks da Asus, quanto aos
  drivers?
 
  ~Edson Silva
  graduate in information systems
  formed in technical of computer networking
  cv: http://lattes.cnpq.br/6410349625995656
  twitter: @edsonlead
Em Quinta-feira, 8 de Maio de 2014 0:48, André Nunes Batista 
  andrenbati...@gmail.com escreveu:
   On Wed, 2014-05-07 at 22:25 -0300, Henrique Fagundes wrote:
 
   Amigo,
  
   Prefira equipamentos das marcas Dell ou Itautec.
  
   Abraços.
  
   Atenciosamente,
  
   Henrique Fagundes
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   Fred Maranhão escreveu:
Caros,
   
estou pensando em comprar um notebook e gostaria de instalar o
mínimo possível de coisas fora dos repositórios main do debian.
ou seja, instalar o mínimo de coisas do repositório non-free e
coisas não empacotadas.
   
alguém tem alguma sugetão de modelo (ou marca) que eu não tenha
que ficar instalando software (principalmente drivers) não-DFSG?
 
   
   
  
  
 
  Se vc estiver disposto a pagar e esperar, um projeto promissor:
 
  http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
 
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Dúvida com regra de redirecionamento de porta.

2014-05-10 Thread Henrique Fagundes

Prezados Colegas,

Primeiramente saudações pinguianas a todos.

Tenho a seguinte regra:
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $IF_LINK -p tcp --dport 5938 -j DNAT 
--to-dest 192.168.0.4:5938


Essa regra redireciona tudo que vem do link de internet na porta 5938 
para o IP interno 192.168.0.4 na porta 5938.


Minha dúvida é a seguinte: É possível fazer o redirecionamento para um 
Mac Address de alguma máquina da rede interna ao invés de IP?


No aguardo de respostas.

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X não carrega automático

2014-05-10 Thread Paulo Correia

Pessoal,

Depois que dei um apt-get upgrade e apt-get update
O debian se recusa a carregar a interface gráfica automaticamente.
Mas se eu chamar com um usuário normal ou root o comando startx ele 
carrega

Já instalei o driver da NVDIA e necas dele carregar automático.
Alguém sabe me dizer como corrigir isto ?

Abraços,
Paulo


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Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Hi,

in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian
testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this.

I encounter with this some years ago, when i was uisng Ubuntu as LTSP
server, where i get 18 (by word eighteen) kernel updates in one year,
and most of them involves some problem - not big problems, but all was
needed to solve. Then i switch to Debian due more stability (IMHO, by
more precise work of Debian maintainers).

Now it seems, that the Debian is Ubuntized. The work is going quick
(and then not very good). As example, there is a CUPS package. It
changes (taken from changelog) more times by month, see some latest:

04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200
02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200
10 Apr 2014 22:05:22 +0200
09 Apr 2014 21:04:57 +0200
01 Apr 2014 08:00:00 +0200
31 Mar 2014 10:00:00 +0200
20 Mar 2014 22:00:41 +0100
18 Mar 2014 19:34:44 +0100
12 Mar 2014 12:03:14 +0100
27 Feb 2014 16:14:55 +0100
25 Feb 2014 12:06:47 +0100
18 Feb 2014 15:44:18 +0100
04 Feb 2014 15:31:13 +0100
20 Jan 2014 23:06:36 +0100
14 Jan 2014 10:03:37 +0100
09 Jan 2014 16:54:26 +0100
04 Jan 2014 15:46:02 +0100
03 Jan 2014 18:42:39 +0100

As anyone can see, there was 18 updates during cca 4 months!

And here are latest two entries from changelog (except the german
manpage update - and i removed maintaner names):

cups (1.7.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium

  * Updated version numbers in Replaces:/Breaks: for cups-bsd to also work with
updating CUPS under Ubuntu (LP: #1315766)

 -- Didier Raboud o...@debian.org  Sun, 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200

cups (1.7.2-2) unstable; urgency=low

  * Removed Ubuntu difference in the dependency of cups-deamon on avahi-daemon:
avahi-daemon is a Recommends for both now; remove on started avahi-daemon
from the start on ... rule in /etc/init/cups.conf upstart script
(LP: #1242185, #1178172)
  * Add two patches for Upstart socket-triggered activation:
- allow starting cupsd socket-triggered through Upstart, for on-demand
  starting to save resources (especially on mobile devices)
- let cupsd stop after 30 seconds idle time in when started by Upstart
  socket-activation (if timeout is not explicitly set to another time)
(Closes: #742666, LP: #1276713)

There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and
one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?!

Then i ask, what is in the subject. Are Debian repos still Debian's
repos or there are quick Ubuntu's developers migrating into Debian with
they chaotic job and using Debian for own (Ubuntu) purposes?

But this question involves some another:

* Is this a direction, where Debian is coming in near future?
* Need i escape from Debian, as i ran away from Ubuntu?
* How are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?
* Is the Canonical managing the Debian too?
* Is Debian still involved in stability, where for years was Debian =
  quality and stability, or it becomes only testing platform for
  Canonical business?
* Who, why and when decided this?
* Am i only one, who is frustrated by this?

Know someone answers, please?

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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Richard Hector
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On 10/05/14 20:54, Slavko wrote:
 in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian 
 testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by
 this.

My thoughts:

If you're running testing, then it's reasonable you get updates. If
there are lots, and they're not impacting you, it's a minor
irritation. But use stable if you don't want them.

Having Ubuntu around, and based on Debian, is a good thing, in my
view. Many interesting and useful packages have come back, and no
doubt many bugs have been found and fixed due to more users. Also
there are probably more third-party packages built for Ubuntu, that
are then built for Debian because it's relatively easy, than there
were before. No more trying to work with RPM-only software.

Debian generally tries to push fixes upstream where that makes sense,
and it's reasonable for Ubuntu to do the same thing - with the
addition that packaging updates will often also make sense for Debian,
where they won't for the upstream author.

In summary - I think the net effect is positive, despite preferring
Debian to Ubuntu.

Richard

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policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Hi,

there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start
another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit
depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd).

I don't know, is it really needed? I don't want to switch to systemd
yet. There was a lot of opinions (include me), that systemd is change on
defaults only, but now it seems that these opinions was wrong and more
and more things get depends on it and they will not work (or minimally
not install) without systemd. But policykit is useful and sometime it
provides way to authenticate for some jobs for me. Or i am wrong?

Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug
or it is really needed? I mean the change from Depends to Suggests or
Recommends...

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Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote:

 Hi,

 there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start
 another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit
 depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd).

What it really needs is a working logind, therefore the dependency.

 I don't know, is it really needed? I don't want to switch to systemd
 yet. There was a lot of opinions (include me), that systemd is change on
 defaults only, but now it seems that these opinions was wrong and more
 and more things get depends on it and they will not work (or minimally
 not install) without systemd. But policykit is useful and sometime it
 provides way to authenticate for some jobs for me. Or i am wrong?

 Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug
 or it is really needed?

The dependency is needed, but you can still install systemd-shim rather
than systemd-sysv and continue to boot with sysvinit.

Cheers,
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Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Hi,

Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 12:15:32 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
napísal:

 On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote:
 
  Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the
  systemd bug or it is really needed?
 
 The dependency is needed, but you can still install systemd-shim
 rather than systemd-sysv and continue to boot with sysvinit.
 

Thanks, but please, can you be more verbose? I totally ignored systemd
until now...

I ask more verbosity because now it seems as this:

iuA  policykit-1 
piA  libpam-systemd
piA  systemd

E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as
dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is
not installed yet of course)...

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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Alex Mestiashvili

Hi,
On 05/10/2014 10:54 AM, Slavko wrote:

Hi,

in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian
testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this.


testing is the key word, if you would use sid, you probably would wonder 
even more :)

If there would be no updates in testing that would mean that Debian is dead.


There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and
one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?!


A lot of stuff in Debian came from Ubuntu and much more Linux stuff is 
developed by RedHat and other companies.

Also a lot of Debian developers are also Ubuntu developers and vice versa.



But this question involves some another:

* Is this a direction, where Debian is coming in near future?
* Need i escape from Debian, as i ran away from Ubuntu?


I would suggest in this case LFS, no bloody packaging, unless you build 
your own package manager.


Best,
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Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Erwan David
Le 10/05/2014 12:15, Sven Joachim a écrit :
 On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote:

 Hi,

 there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start
 another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit
 depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd).
 What it really needs is a working logind, therefore the dependency.


So let's stop lying to ourselves : systemd iis not the default, systemd,
logind, binary logs etc become de facto compulsory.
SWe get a debian windows, no Unix anymore.


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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote:

 in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian
 testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this.

You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the
coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? 
 
 I encounter with this some years ago, when i was uisng Ubuntu as LTSP
 server, where i get 18 (by word eighteen) kernel updates in one year,
 and most of them involves some problem - not big problems, but all was
 needed to solve. Then i switch to Debian due more stability (IMHO, by
 more precise work of Debian maintainers).

Ah. Your objective seems to be some Ubuntu bashing.
 
 Now it seems, that the Debian is Ubuntized. The work is going quick

Confirmed - this continues the theme.

 (and then not very good). As example, there is a CUPS package. It
 changes (taken from changelog) more times by month, see some latest:
 
 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200
 02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200
 10 Apr 2014 22:05:22 +0200
 09 Apr 2014 21:04:57 +0200
 01 Apr 2014 08:00:00 +0200
 31 Mar 2014 10:00:00 +0200
 20 Mar 2014 22:00:41 +0100
 18 Mar 2014 19:34:44 +0100
 12 Mar 2014 12:03:14 +0100
 27 Feb 2014 16:14:55 +0100
 25 Feb 2014 12:06:47 +0100
 18 Feb 2014 15:44:18 +0100
 04 Feb 2014 15:31:13 +0100
 20 Jan 2014 23:06:36 +0100
 14 Jan 2014 10:03:37 +0100
 09 Jan 2014 16:54:26 +0100
 04 Jan 2014 15:46:02 +0100
 03 Jan 2014 18:42:39 +0100

Up to 2/3 years ago cups was unmaintained. Now its present maintainer,
Didier Ramboud, assiduously devotes his own time to it and the printing
stack - and you complain. This must be a first in the history of Debian.

 And here are latest two entries from changelog (except the german
 manpage update - and i removed maintaner names):

You removed the names of people who have put in so much hard work to
provide us with a printing system? Don't you think they deserve
recognition?

[Changelogs snipped]

 There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and
 one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?

It's called co-operation. You know, the sort of thing which advances
free software. There is an interplay between Debian, the Linux
Foundation (Till Kamppeter), Red Hat, Suse and Apple when it comes to
having a quality printing experience.

 Then i ask, what is in the subject. Are Debian repos still Debian's
 repos or there are quick Ubuntu's developers migrating into Debian with
 they chaotic job and using Debian for own (Ubuntu) purposes?
 
 But this question involves some another:

[Snipped: A variety of questions arising from flawed premises.]


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iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted

2014-05-10 Thread Morning Star
Hi guys,
I got error when executing iodined at my vps:

$ sudo iodined -f -P test1 192.168.0.1 localhost
iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted: Operation
not permitted


so i check
-. iodine version:
iodine IP over DNS tunneling server
version: 0.5.1 from 2009-03-21

-. uname
2.6.32-042stab068.8 #1 SMP Fri Dec 7 17:06:14 MSK 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

-. ls -l /dev/net/tun

rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 200 May  5 00:24 /dev/net/tun

how can i resolve this problem? thanks in advance.

regards,

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Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread filip
On Sat, 10 May 2014 13:02:17 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:

 
 iuA  policykit-1 
 piA  libpam-systemd
 piA  systemd
 
 E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as
 dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is
 not installed yet of course)...
 
 regards
 

Policykit used to depend on consolekit to keep track of the user
sessions, but consolekit is not maintained anymore and that
functionality has been moved into systemd-logind.
This is similar to how dbus has been part of systemd for a long time
now.

This is not related to systemd being used as the init system or
not.


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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj,

Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
napísal:

 On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote:
 
  in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian
  testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by
  this.
 
 You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the
 coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? 

No, i am surprised, that the CUPS (and some others) package provides
updates too often, e.g.:

  04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200
  02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200

As one can see, it is two day between them. Both updates are Ubuntu
related, it involves me, that the quick Ubuntu's work is
changing/replacing the careful self-testing by the maintainers...

BTW, i maintain some packages in Debian...

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Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-10 13:02 +0200, Slavko wrote:

 Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 12:15:32 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
 napísal:

 On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote:
 
  Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the
  systemd bug or it is really needed?
 
 The dependency is needed, but you can still install systemd-shim
 rather than systemd-sysv and continue to boot with sysvinit.
 

 Thanks, but please, can you be more verbose? I totally ignored systemd
 until now...

Merely installing systemd does not do much to your system, only booting
with it might do.  See /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.  Installing
systemd-sysv replaces the sysvinit binaries, most notably /sbin/init.

 I ask more verbosity because now it seems as this:

 iuA  policykit-1 
 piA  libpam-systemd
 piA  systemd

 E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as
 dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is
 not installed yet of course)...

Yes, sorry.  The version of libpam-systemd in unstable depends on
systemd-sysv | systemd-shim, but it has not reached testing yet.  This
new dependency has caused quite a lot of heat on debian-devel.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj,

Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:52:46 +0200 filip fi...@fbvnet.be napísal:

 On Sat, 10 May 2014 13:02:17 +0200
 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
 
  
  iuA  policykit-1 
  piA  libpam-systemd
  piA  systemd
  
  E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed
  as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it
  is not installed yet of course)...
  
 Policykit used to depend on consolekit to keep track of the user
 sessions, but consolekit is not maintained anymore and that
 functionality has been moved into systemd-logind.
 This is similar to how dbus has been part of systemd for a long time
 now.
 
 This is not related to systemd being used as the init system or
 not.

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Re: iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted

2014-05-10 Thread Mr. Queue


On 5/10/2014 7:03 AM, Morning Star wrote:

I got error when executing iodined at my vps:

$ sudo iodined -f -P test1 192.168.0.1 localhost
iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted: Operation
not permitted


You'll need to talk with your host.


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Re: Network Manager doesn't pick up network.

2014-05-10 Thread staticsafe
On 5/9/2014 21:44, Ed Jabbour wrote:
 On Friday, May 09, 2014 12:47:45 PM staticsafe wrote:
 On 5/9/2014 11:28, Ed Jabbour wrote:
 Running stable, kde and network-manager-gnome.  The modem/router
 provides two wireless network options - one 2.4 GHz, the other 5.
 However, net/mgr only picks up the 2.4 - the 5 doesn't show at
 all.  I thought maybe the 5 signal wasn't strong enough, so I
 moved the laptop right next to the modem, but still no 5.  I
 have an old machine -  a late 2008 Macbook, so I thought maybe
 it was a hardware problem.  I booted into OSX and it recognized
 the 5 network and happily established a wireless connection. 
 Ethernet gives me the 5GHz connection.  I'm at wit's end here. 
 Any advice, pointers, etc. greatly appreciated.

 Hello,

 Can you give us the network card model 
 
 Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller 
 (rev 01)
 
 and the output of lsmod?
 
 All of it?  Surely not.  What might be relevant:
 
 b43   309381  0 
 bcma   19756  1 b43
 mac80211  192806  1 b43
 cfg80211  137243  2 mac80211,b43
 rng_core   12652  1 b43
 ssb44714  1 b43
 mmc_core   68400  2 ssb,b43
 pcmcia 32734  2 ssb,b43
 
 
According to this page:
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43

5GHz for N-PHY cards is not supported under the b43 driver.

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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 14:26:04 +0200, Slavko wrote:

 Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
 napísal:
 
  On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote:
  
   in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian
   testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by
   this.
  
  You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the
  coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? 
 
 No, i am surprised, that the CUPS (and some others) package provides
 updates too often, e.g.:
 
   04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200
   02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200
 
 As one can see, it is two day between them. Both updates are Ubuntu
 related, it involves me, that the quick Ubuntu's work is
 changing/replacing the careful self-testing by the maintainers...

quick doesn't imply sloppiness. I hope you read the bug reports
contained in the changelogs you quoted. From LP: #1315766:

   OdyX, sorry, bug was caused by sync with Ubuntu. I am updating the
   version numbers in Breaks:/Replaces: now. Please issue 1.7.2-3 after
   that, so it auto-syncs into Ubuntu.

   ** Changed in: cups (Ubuntu) Assignee: Didier Raboud (odyx) = Till 
Kamppeter (till-kamppeter) 

Looks like someone cocked up; then responded rapidly to a bug report on
May 3; followed by an equally rapid upload of a new version of cups.
Surely you should be saying This is awesome. This is part of what I
want Debian to be. Change to another OS? - Not me! Forgo this level of
co-operation and diligence? - No, bring on more of the same.

 BTW, i maintain some packages in Debian...

Thank you. I imagine you are as much concerned with quality as the
Debian Printing Team.


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Re: policykit and systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Slavko
Ahoj,

Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 14:09:45 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
napísal:

 On 2014-05-10 13:02 +0200, Slavko wrote:
 
  E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed
  as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it
  is not installed yet of course)...
 
 Yes, sorry.  The version of libpam-systemd in unstable depends on
 systemd-sysv | systemd-shim, but it has not reached testing yet.  This
 new dependency has caused quite a lot of heat on debian-devel.
 

No problem, it will be actually after some days :) thanks!

BTW is there a smile for laugh and tears at once? (joke)

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Re: How to use Debian ISOs as package sources in apt?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:28:03 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

 On 10/05/14 07:36, A Debian User wrote:
  
  Also, how do you make sure that apt checks that the packages on the DVDs
  are current, and retrieves the packages from the online mirrors,
  instead, if the aren't.
 
 I don't. Apt/dpkg magic does that for me. Nothing special there. If you
 installed from DVD/CDs to begin with they'll be in sources.list (added
 by apt-cdrom). In which case when you normally upgrade/dist-upgrade or

If an online mirror was set up during the install the CD entries get
commented out by d-i.

 just install a package - apt/dpkg will use the most recent version of
 the package, based on your preferences. If the most recent package
 version is the same as the one on your original installation DVD you'll
 be asked to insert that disk - saving you downloads and time.

The uncommented CD entries need to be first in sources.list for this to
happen.

  I want to be able to safely use both the online mirrors and the DVDs in
  the same sources.list file without having to worry that I may be
  installing outdated software (I have a slow Internet connection, so
  getting the big packages from the DVDs might help).

As descibed by Scott Ferguson you will always get the most recent
version for stable and stable security updates with online mirror and CD
lines in sources.list; wheezy-backports and wheezy-updates need special
treatment when used as a source for downloading.


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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread David Guntner
Slavko grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
 Ahoj,
 
 Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
 napísal:
 
 On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote:

 in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian
 testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by
 this.

 You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the
 coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? 
 
 No, i am surprised, that the CUPS (and some others) package provides
 updates too often, e.g.:

Again, as someone else pointed out:  The key word here is TESTING.  You
want less updates?  Go with the current stable release.  That has
updates, but not as often.  Testing is just that - *testing*.  You're
going to get more updates there, especially as they start getting ready
to freeze the next release.

It doesn't matter that a prior version of testing didn't have lots of
updates as you see it.  It was open to them if they had bug fixes,
etc., to deal with.  This version clearly does.

You're never going to find a version of any operating system that
doesn't have a string of updates over its supported lifespan.  Linux is
no exception.  Yes, Debian has a reputation for being more stable with
less updates than other distros.  But that claim only applies to the
*stable* version of the release.  The testing version is subject to as
many updates as they feel like throwing at it until it freezes to be
readied as the next version release.

I for one welcome those updates which come to Stable, since they fix
bugs  security issues that are frankly more important to fix than to
ignore on a production server.  I wouldn't want them at the rate that
the testing version gets, so I don't run Testing - I run Stable. ;-)

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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread John Hasler
David Guntner writes:
 Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING.  You
 want less updates?  Go with the current stable release.  That has
 updates, but not as often.

You can also just not install every update.  There is no reason to
obsessively track Testing.
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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread David Guntner
John Hasler grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
 David Guntner writes:
 Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING.  You
 want less updates?  Go with the current stable release.  That has
 updates, but not as often.
 
 You can also just not install every update.  There is no reason to
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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Jochen Spieker
Slavko:
 
 in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian
 testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this.

The amount of updates that testing receives depends greatly on the
current phase of the release cycle. I don't know whether there are hard
numbers on this, but I would assume you can see the most activity
shortly after a release and before a freeze. Jessie is about to freeze
early November, which is not too far away for Debian's standards.

 I encounter with this some years ago, when i was uisng Ubuntu as LTSP
 server, where i get 18 (by word eighteen) kernel updates in one year,
 and most of them involves some problem - not big problems, but all was
 needed to solve. Then i switch to Debian due more stability (IMHO, by
 more precise work of Debian maintainers).

The most precise work is available in Debian stable.

 Now it seems, that the Debian is Ubuntized. The work is going quick
 (and then not very good). As example, there is a CUPS package. It
 changes (taken from changelog) more times by month, see some latest:
 
 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200
 02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200
-- snip

The number of changelog entries is not necessarily directly related to
the number of updates you see in testing. Either way I have no idea why
you complain about someone working on their packages.

 As anyone can see, there was 18 updates during cca 4 months!

So what?

 There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and
 one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?!

Debian developers might be interested which is, in the end, a plus for
users of both Debian and Ubuntu.

 Then i ask, what is in the subject. Are Debian repos still Debian's
 repos or there are quick Ubuntu's developers migrating into Debian with
 they chaotic job and using Debian for own (Ubuntu) purposes?

Debian is upstream for Ubuntu and other distributions. It generall helps
both sides if Debian incorporates fixes from other distributions, even
if it isn't directly affected by them. Keeping the number of differences
between packages of the same software small is a win for everyone.

 But this question involves some another:
 
 * Is this a direction, where Debian is coming in near future?

Is Debian trying to co-operate with other distributions and keeping
everyone's workload low? -I hope so.

 * Need i escape from Debian, as i ran away from Ubuntu?

Absolutely, if you do not want to have anything to do with anybody who
is directly or indirectly involved with Ubuntu.

 * How are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?

See above.

 * Is the Canonical managing the Debian too?

No.

 * Is Debian still involved in stability, where for years was Debian =
   quality and stability, or it becomes only testing platform for
   Canonical business?

Debian is still fully committed to stability for stable. Testing has
always been and will always be in flux.

Technical quality for bot testing and unstable is still very high, in my
opinion. I run sid on my laptop and while I install tons of updates on a
daily basis, I don't have any trouble with them.

 * Who, why and when decided this?
 * Am i only one, who is frustrated by this?

I think you are drawing conclusions from misunderstandings and
confusion.

The number of updates is not a useful measure for code quality. The
nummber of mentions of other distributions in a changelog is not a
useful measure for political influence of this distribution on Debian.

Do you actually have problems with one or more packages? -If so, please
report them and be glad that testing receives so many updates because
that means somebody cares for the software you use and probably also
fixes bugs.

Debian as a whole is almost impossible to manage. Its strength and
weakness at the same time is that every Debian Developer can do what she
or he wants. Even if Mark Shuttleworth wanted to manage Debian, he
couldn't. Debian cannot be bought. I guess if this was possible,
Shuttleworth would have done that instead of starting Ubuntu.

Please note that I don't like Ubuntu very much either. I think they made
decisions that hinder interoperability and the advance of Free Software.
But the same probably applies to RedHat. They just don't receive so much
flak for some reason.

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Avoiding systemd

2014-05-10 Thread John
After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on 
debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of 
almost all systemd's defenders.  I don't trust them.  Accordingly, I'd like to 
keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until things have had 
quite a while to shake out.

Is it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these stanzas to 
/etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which?

Package: systemd
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100

Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100

Package: libpam-systemd
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100

Thanks for practical help.  I'm not looking for more flames.

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Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote:

 Thanks for practical help.  I'm not looking for more flames.

A couple of quotes from your mail:

   I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of
   almost all systemd's defenders.

   I don't trust them.

You're not looking for flames? You're kidding, aren't you? Your technical
question is wrapped up in flame-baiting.

And you also post to -devel and -user. Getting the audience and attention
looks like a prime aim.


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Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Cameron Norman

Greetings John,

El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John johnrchamp...@wowway.com 
escribió:
After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on 
debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering 
attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders.  I don't trust them.  
Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the 
extent practical until things have had quite a while to shake out.


Is it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these 
stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which?





Package: systemd
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100



The systemd package includes a ton of software, including what I think 
is four daemons that are necessary for a modern Linux desktop 
(timedated, hostnamed, localed, and (most importantly) logind). You 
will need to install this package usually.



Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100



This is probably the only thing you are going to need if you want to 
make sure you do not run systemd as pid 1. (Unless your friend changes 
your grub command line :). If you have systemd-shim installed, then 
this pin should never have to take effect, but if somebody decides that 
systemd-shim is not a suitable replacement for systemd-sysv with 
regards to their package's needs, then the update of that person's 
package will be held back until you manually intervene.



Package: libpam-systemd
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -100



I think this is a dependency of poke it polkit. I am not sure why, but 
I assume there is good reason for it. Anyway, you are probably going to 
need it. If you have systemd-shim installed, then libpam-systemd will 
do fine w/o systemd as PID 1.



Thanks for practical help.  I'm not looking for more flames.



I hope I was able to help. Please do not assume bad faith by the 
systemd maintainers + proponents, though; that is toxic.


Best regards,
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Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Tom H
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote:


 A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with
 invoke-rc.d  update-rc.d on Debian.

I've never understood why, but invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are
meant for maintainer scripts not users.


 Know playing with several distributions, some use service, sysctl,
 systemctl, and some of them are mentionned for managing services in
 Debian.

service is a wrapper around invoke-rc.d. There's an RFE for it to
include a wrapper around update-rc.d enable|disable but I haven't
checked its status for a while. service can also handle, in Debian
8, native systemd services.

sysctl isn't a service manager.

systemctl is systemd's service manager but it handles sysvinit init
scripts when they don't have a systemd equivalent, AFAIK by handing
over to update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d.


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Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Tom H
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote:


 On Wheezy, you can use:

 invoke-rc.d service action
 service service action
 /etc/init.d/service action

invoke-rc.d is meant for maintainer scripts and not users (don't ask me why).

/etc/init.d/service action doesn't sanitize the environment.


 But Jessy will use systemd - systemctl.

service is a wrapper for systemctl in Debian 8.


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Re: Is Debian still Debian?

2014-05-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:01 PM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:
 David Guntner writes:

 Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You
 want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has
 updates, but not as often.

 You can also just not install every update. There is no reason to
 obsessively track Testing.

That's rather selfish. If you're using testing, you should update it
regularly in order to help Debian shake out bugs.


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Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-10 22:40 +0200, Tom H wrote:

 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
 mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote:


 A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with
 invoke-rc.d  update-rc.d on Debian.

 I've never understood why, but invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are
 meant for maintainer scripts not users.

This is true for invoke-rc.d, but not for update-rc.d.  It is perfectly
fine for the sysadmin to call update-rc.d disable|enable foo, but not
update-rc.d remove foo.

 Know playing with several distributions, some use service, sysctl,
 systemctl, and some of them are mentionned for managing services in
 Debian.

 service is a wrapper around invoke-rc.d.

Really?  If I take a look at /sbin/service, it does not call invoke-rc.d.

 systemctl is systemd's service manager but it handles sysvinit init
 scripts when they don't have a systemd equivalent, AFAIK by handing
 over to update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d.

It's the other way around, invoke-rc.d calls systemctl for various
actions if it detects that systemd is PID 1.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: hdparm -t yields incorrect timings when Intel hyperthreading is enabled

2014-05-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 09 May 2014, Paul Ausbeck wrote:
 I've actually done dummy file reads and writes previously. Well
 actually just writes. And they go at full speed, no matter what
 hparm says. For example, your example, works at full speed:

 dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=10M count=100 ;

You have to call sync, otherwise you've measured the time to write to
the buffer-cache...

That said, try this:

strace -o /tmp/strace.txt -ttt -T hdparm -t (rest of hdparm command).

And check if the timings of the syscalls traced give you any insight on
where things are going wrong.  Compare HT enabled with HT disabled.

 but I wasn't able to find a way to purge the disk cache before I got 
 sidetracked. Perhaps you know of a magic incantation  for that?

Yes.  You can drop all caches if you issue, as root:

sync ; echo 1  /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches


According to https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt

drop_caches
---

Writing to this will cause the kernel to drop clean caches, as well as
reclaimable slab objects like dentries and inodes.  Once dropped, their
memory becomes free.

To free pagecache:
echo 1  /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
To free reclaimable slab objects (includes dentries and inodes):
echo 2  /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
To free slab objects and pagecache:
echo 3  /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches

This is a non-destructive operation and will not free any dirty objects.
To increase the number of objects freed by this operation, the user may run
`sync' prior to writing to /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches.  This will minimize the
number of dirty objects on the system and create more candidates to be
dropped.

This file is not a means to control the growth of the various kernel caches
(inodes, dentries, pagecache, etc...)  These objects are automatically
reclaimed by the kernel when memory is needed elsewhere on the system.

Use of this file can cause performance problems.  Since it discards cached
objects, it may cost a significant amount of I/O and CPU to recreate the
dropped objects, especially if they were under heavy use.  Because of this,
use outside of a testing or debugging environment is not recommended.

You may see informational messages in your kernel log when this file is
used:

cat (1234): drop_caches: 3

These are informational only.  They do not mean that anything is wrong
with your system.  To disable them, echo 4 (bit 3) into drop_caches.

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How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-10 Thread Jape Person

Hi,

I just used

# apt-get install systemd-sysv

on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date).

It has been my habit to use

# touch /forcefsck

to force a file system check at reboot once per week on each system and 
to keep track of the results by copying the contents of 
/var/log/fsck/checkroot into a sort of diary I keep on system maintenance.


In various logs on these systems I see an indication that touch 
/forcefsck doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding


fsck.mode=force

to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to 
run at boot time.


However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after 
altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation 
written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb 
I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process 
when using systemd.


This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing 
this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical 
machines.


Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system 
check on the boot drive when using systemd?


If there's something about this in the man pages, I'm certainly not 
finding it.


Thanks for any pointers you can provide.


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Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-10 Thread Brandon Vincent
Jape,

It sounds like the fsck is being conducted while the initramfs is loaded
and thus no log is being saved. Ideally, there would be a way to have the
console dumped to dmesg.

Brandon Vincent


On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi,

 I just used

 # apt-get install systemd-sysv

 on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date).

 It has been my habit to use

 # touch /forcefsck

 to force a file system check at reboot once per week on each system and to
 keep track of the results by copying the contents of
 /var/log/fsck/checkroot into a sort of diary I keep on system maintenance.

 In various logs on these systems I see an indication that touch
 /forcefsck doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding

 fsck.mode=force

 to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to run
 at boot time.

 However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after
 altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation
 written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb I've
 noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process when
 using systemd.

 This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing this
 slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical machines.

 Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system
 check on the boot drive when using systemd?

 If there's something about this in the man pages, I'm certainly not
 finding it.

 Thanks for any pointers you can provide.


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Anyone encountered the same Mount failed error when installing Debian 7.5 with dmraid=true on RAID1 server?

2014-05-10 Thread 釋淨明
Dear all,

I'm a newbie in using Debian, my first task (and a good chance to learn
using debian) is to setup an email server with the following hardware:

Intel S1200btlr board (Intel C204 chipset) with a Xeon E3-1230v2 CPU on it
2*1T disks, form a RAID1 by intel embeded server raid technology II
(firmware raid)

I followed the following debian wiki  document to install debian with a
dmraid=true parameter while choosing 64 bit install in the debian
installer startup menu:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid

It goes well except that at the end installing Grub failed, so I followed
the document to reinstall grub by using 64-bit rescue mode with a
dmraid=true parameter, but when the rescue process asked me to mount the
root filesystem, I got the error:

Mount failed
an error occurred while mounting the device you entered for your root file
system

does anyone encountered the same error? or does anyone have the experience
installing debian 7 on a raid1 server with dmraid=true parameter? I hope
someone can help me solve this error, thank you!


Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi John,

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:05:25PM -0400, John wrote:
 After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
 debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering
 attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders.  I don't trust them. 
 Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent
 practical until things have had quite a while to shake out.

 Is it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these
 stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences?  If just one, which?

snip

 Package: systemd-sysv
 Pin: origin *
 Pin-Priority: -100

This one.

The systemd package contains other dbus services that you don't want to try
to exclude from a desktop system; and libpam-systemd provides necessary
integration with policykit on those same systems.

Hope that helps,
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minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

2014-05-10 Thread Martin T
Hi,

I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like
to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first
step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal
components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact
components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to
run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else?
Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that
practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will
handle all the dependencies needed?


regards,
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Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-10 Thread Jape Person

On 05/10/2014 06:32 PM, Brandon Vincent wrote:

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote:


Hi,

I just used

# apt-get install systemd-sysv

on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date).

It has been my habit to use

# touch /forcefsck

to force a file system check at reboot once per week on each system and to
keep track of the results by copying the contents of
/var/log/fsck/checkroot into a sort of diary I keep on system maintenance.

In various logs on these systems I see an indication that touch
/forcefsck doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding

fsck.mode=force

to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to run
at boot time.

However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after
altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation
written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb I've
noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process when
using systemd.

This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing this
slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical machines.

Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system
check on the boot drive when using systemd?

If there's something about this in the man pages, I'm certainly not
finding it.

Thanks for any pointers you can provide.



 Jape,

 It sounds like the fsck is being conducted while the initramfs is loaded
 and thus no log is being saved. Ideally, there would be a way to have the
 console dumped to dmesg.

 Brandon Vincent


Hi, Brandon.

I hope you'll excuse me for moving your response to the bottom and then 
replying to it there. I think this list prefers bottom posting or, 
better yet, interleaved posting.


Thank you for your response.

Yes, I think you're right, though I wasn't bright enough to go in that 
direction on my own -- perhaps because the previous system startup 
method accomplished the file system check and then wrote the results 
after the disk was mounted. Or maybe I'm taking too much for granted in 
assuming how it accomplished that. I wonder if there's some reason why 
systemd-sysv couldn't do the same thing?


This looks like an oversight to me, but maybe it's deliberate.

I suppose I could boot these systems with a live disc of some type, and 
then perform a file system check on the systems' primary disks. That 
would be a bit of trouble to go through on the systems that sit in front 
of me, and not really practical at all on the remote systems.


I'll mull it over and see if I can figure it out.

Again, thank you for your insight.

Jape


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Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-10 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 11/05/14 04:47, Brian wrote:
 On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote:
 
 Thanks for practical help.  I'm not looking for more flames.
 
 A couple of quotes from your mail:
 
I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of
almost all systemd's defenders.
 
I don't trust them.
 
 You're not looking for flames? You're kidding, aren't you? Your technical
 question is wrapped up in flame-baiting.


Technical issue?
Rude and domineering attitude sounds personal - like someone's eye has
been offended and they're trying to spin an offense from imagination. Oh
wait are you being sarcastic?

Rude and domineering attitude. Sounds bad.
Please spam me with more unwanted lessons in hypocritical fascism.

 
 And you also post to -devel and -user. Getting the audience and attention
 looks like a prime aim.
 
 

If 98% oppose fascism the fascist supposes they have a 2% mandate for
civil war *and* proof of a conspiracy. Take this list for instance - the
vast majority of posts are *not* attacking systemd, yet the
we-want-thumbs anti-systemd mob (both of them) ignore the fact that
the vast majority *do not care*. Confirmation bias is the cornerstone of
their campaign. It's not spam, rude, or bullying, to continually
*demand* the majority be ruled by the minority when you have righteous
indignation on your side - and in this instance the end does justify the
means. Just making a better world


Kind regards


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Confusion

2014-05-10 Thread Joshua Anthony
Hi all,

Thanks for your responses - even from those who can't resist the opportunity 
for rudeness.

(I do NOT use microsoft windows in any form,)

I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45 years as a 
computer support engineer, programmer and technical writer, I still find a lot 
of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old and lazy and think GUI is a gift from 
heaven. So would you, if you'd started out punching ten words of machine code 
onto paper tape in order to start up a mainframe system - long before there was 
any form of visual display.

Like Joel, I have many dark corners of stupid in my brain - and they may be 
multiplying.


I have used GNU Linux for years - trying out several distros, all by 
downloading the Iso file and writing to CD. Ubuntu, Slackware, Puppy, and 
Gnewsense all install just fine after simply right-clicking on the file and 
selecting write to CD. No clever stuff with the terminal - just point and 
click. But this time it just doesn't work.

For those who didn't notice, I downloaded the file twice, making two CD's from 
the first download and one from the second - just in case anything was 
corrupted. All the CD's can be opened and their contents displayed - and all 
files in readable form can be read.

I would happily stay with Gnewsense but since I recently installed the latest 
version, I can't get a couple of much used applications that worked perfectly 
with the previous version to run. So I thought I'd try Debian instead, using 
exactly the same process, on the same machine, that I used to successfully 
install Gnewsense.

This is not rocket science. It's not an abstruse technical problem - it must be 
plain old dumbass misunderstanding by me.



Doesn't anyone have a simple answer?

Josh

free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used

2014-05-10 Thread Martin T
Hi,

DebianInstaller shows FREE SPACE before the first partition and
after the last partition if GPT scheme is used:
http://i.imgur.com/qjNrdAx.jpg While there is nothing wrong with that
as there is indeed some free space before the first partition and
after the last partition(http://i.imgur.com/4BlDQx7.jpg), such
information is not displayed if I choose the MBR partitioning
scheme(http://i.imgur.com/x4Ycl9q.jpg) while actually modern MBR
editors(for example newer fdisk versions) should start the first
partition also from sector 2048.

1) Am I correct that technically DebianInstaller should display the
FREE SPACE area before the first partition also in case the MBR
partition scheme is chosen?

2) Am I correct that boot loaders use their code on this area after
the primary GPT and before the first partition?

3) Are the last 689 sectors after the last partition used for storing
the backup GPT?


regards,
Martin


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Re: Confusion

2014-05-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 06:03:35PM -0700, Joshua Anthony wrote:
 I have used GNU Linux for years - trying out several distros, all by
 downloading the Iso file and writing to CD. Ubuntu, Slackware, Puppy,
 and Gnewsense all install just fine after simply right-clicking on the
 file and selecting write to CD. No clever stuff with the terminal -
 just point and click. But this time it just doesn't work.
 
 For those who didn't notice, I downloaded the file twice, making two
 CD's from the first download and one from the second - just in case
 anything was corrupted. All the CD's can be opened and their contents
 displayed - and all files in readable form can be read.
 
 I would happily stay with Gnewsense but since I recently installed the
 latest version, I can't get a couple of much used applications that
 worked perfectly with the previous version to run. So I thought I'd
 try Debian instead, using exactly the same process, on the same
 machine, that I used to successfully install Gnewsense.
 
 This is not rocket science. It's not an abstruse technical problem -
 it must be plain old dumbass misunderstanding by me.
 
 Doesn't anyone have a simple answer?

What is the question?

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Re: Confusion

2014-05-10 Thread Charlie
On Sat, 10 May 2014 18:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Anthony sent:

 Doesn't anyone have a simple answer?
 
 Josh

I will give it a go.

Download the netinstall .iso file for the Debian version you want. Check
the authenticity of the .iso file with md5sum

Then, using whatever application you use to burn CD's:

Make it burn image to CD and select the netinstall.iso in the directory
you have downloaded it to.

Make certain your BIOS will allow you to boot from a CD, leave the CD
in the optic drive and reboot the computer.

Then read the instructions and do as you feel. You say you know Linux
stuff. Do an expert install and once you have everything done and GRUB
installed and it has configured itself.

Remove the CD, reboot your computer and install the packages you want.

Hope that helps.

A little different, bit of work before this, if you want a dual boot
system.

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Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

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