Re: Grup de treball sobre tecnologia a la trobada de la Unitat Popular
Enric wrote: Salut, és el primer cop que escric a aquesta llista, però ja fa temps que us llegeixo. Aprofito per saludar, que per aquí hi ha molta gent coneguda. ;-) Igualment company, pero tú menys el Top-Posting no has fet la cagada que yo vaig fer fa uns días. Me he estrenat molt malament. :-( Salutacions! \(^o^)/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lkljkg$vcq$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Wheezy 64 bits et scanner
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 10:28:29 Yannick VOYEAUD wrote: Je cherche vainement à faire fonctionner mon scanner Epson 1670 Perfection/Photo depuis que je suis passé en 64 bits. Bon, je vais faire grincer quelques dents. J'ai eu le même genre de soucis pour faire fonctionner un scanner de diapos Nikon. Sane fonctionne plus ou moins bien, mais j'avais un mal fou à équilibrer les couleurs. J'ai fini par acheter vuescan, un logiciel qui contrôle très bien le nikon et fonctionne sous Linux. Ce software supporte beaucoup de scanners et sans doute ton Epson. J'aurais préféré utiliser de l'open source, mais là, ce n'est pas possible. HTH -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1750407.q2gzcbBx1s@gandalf
Re: Wheezy 64 bits et scanner
On 05/10/2014 11:25 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote: J'aurais préféré utiliser de l'open source, mais là, ce n'est pas possible. Bonjour Quel est ton modèle de scanner de diapo nikon? Concernant le scanner Epson 1670, c'est un problème de compétence utilisateur et non de matériel ou de système. Pour ma part, j'ai un Epson perfection V750 pro qui fonctionne très bien avec Debian + Sane. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536df8ce.90...@gmail.com
Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs
Le 09/05/2014 20:07, Jean Baptiste FAVRE a écrit : J'avoue que moi aussi, ça me laisse perplexe. D'autant que je ne vois pas comment la passerelle A.B.C.D peut être atteinte depuis le 'réseau' A.B.C.D/32 (avec D différent de 1, sinon ce n'est pas du jeu). C'est juste un lien point à point. Du coup le host est obligé de causer à la gateway, y compris pour joindre son voisin de rack. Ça peut présenter un intérêt en terme de sécurité car tout le trafic transite alors par le routeur passerelle. Ok, je soupçonnais un truc dans le genre. Effectivement, avec ce type de config, les seules requêtes ARP who has? que fera la machine devraient concerner l'IP de la passerelle par défaut uniquement. Mais ça fait quand même drôle de se dire que, étant donné la passerelle par défaut choisie, qu'on est obligé d'ajouter une route statique pour pouvoir atteindre la-dite passerelle par défaut. Reste que le routeur doit être sévèrement dimensionné pour tenir la charge je suppose. Oui en effet. Je n'ai jamais appliqué ça, mais je l'ai vu chez un hébergeur du côté de Rennes. Perso, sur le serveur OVH kimsufi que j'ai, c'est une conf réseau « classique ». Merci beaucoup pour la réponse. -- François Lafont -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e2129.9000...@free.fr
Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs
Bzzz a écrit : On Fri, 09 May 2014 15:24:40 +0200 Francois Lafont mathsatta...@free.fr wrote: C'est une drôle de config, je n'avais jamais vu encore. Je pensais que la passerelle par défaut se trouvait toujours dans le même réseau IP que celui de l'interface eth0 (je suppose qu'il n'y a qu'une interface en dehors de lo). Apparemment, ce n'est pas forcément le cas. C'est même rarement le cas dans les gros réseaux Ah ? (sinon, comment un réseau de plus de 254 machines pourrait utiliser le même GW). Il suffit de définir un réseau de taille suffisante. Tous les réseaux ne sont pas des /24. C'est quoi l'intérêt d'une conf comme ça ? Ça me semble vraiment tordu mais je me trompe peut-être. *C'est* tordu. Et ce n'est pas parce que ça marche que c'est la bonne façon de faire. Au passage, utiliser les options pointopoint et gateway avec l'adresse de la passerelle à la place des options up aurait été un peu plus propre et évité l'erreur commise de laisser eth0 dans les commandes des options up. Sauf qu'il a une adresse IP publique et qu'il y a certainement d'autres adresses IP publiques contiguës au dessus et au-dessous de sa/ses propres adresses, d'où le masque. Mouais. L'OP a dit qu'il avait 5 adresses IP publiques. Si elles sont contigües ça me fait bougrement penser à un /29, bloc de 8 adresses dont 3 sont réservées comme adresses de réseau (la première), passerelle et broadcast (la dernière), ce qui en laisse 5 utilisables. Si c'est bien le cas, alors il n'y a pas lieu de se livrer à toutes ces contorsions. L'OP a aussi écrit qu'il voulait que les machines virtuelles soient pontées avec le réseau extérieur, et ça, si le lien hôte-routeur est réellement de type point à point ou si les 5 adresses ne sont pas dans un /29, ça risque fort de ne pas marcher. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e68d4.6000...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre
Bonsoir à tous, Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux. Merci d'avance. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201405102202.27386.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre
On Sat, 10 May 2014 22:02:27 +0200 andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux. Demande rejetée, informations insuffisantes. (3D filaire? volumique? mécanique? animation? calcul de contraintes? etc). -- M : Mec j'suis un génie ! \o/ R : heu ok mais pourquoi ? M : j'avais la flemme de rester devant le four pour surveiller la pizza, alors j'ai mis mon ordi portable sur une chaise face au four ! M : et depuis ma chambre j'ai lancé une conv' skype avec la webcam; comme ca je vois le four de ma chambre \o/ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510221257.498500e8@anubis.defcon1
Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre
On 05/10/2014 10:02 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Bonsoir à tous, Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux. Merci d'avance. André apt-cache search cad 3d mm3d - OpenGL based 3D model editor https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mm3d -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e8c9b.8090...@gmail.com
Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre
Bonsoir, LibreCAD voir plus d'info ici http://korben.info/librecad-autocad-gratuit.html compatible Window$ Mac et bien sur Linux Le 10.05.2014 22:12, Bzzz a écrit : On Sat, 10 May 2014 22:02:27 +0200 andre_deb...@numericable.fr [1]wrote: Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre, capable de faire de la 3D. Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon tant pis si c'est que sous Linux. Demande rejetée, informations insuffisantes. (3D filaire? volumique? mécanique? animation? calcul de contraintes? etc). -- M : Mec j'suis un génie ! o/ R : heu ok mais pourquoi ? M : j'avais la flemme de rester devant le four pour surveiller la pizza, alors j'ai mis mon ordi portable sur une chaise face au four ! M : et depuis ma chambre j'ai lancé une conv' skype avec la webcam; comme ca je vois le four de ma chambre o/ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists [2] Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org [3] En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org [4] Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510221257.498500e8@anubis.defcon1 [5] Links: -- [1] mailto:andre_deb...@numericable.fr [2] http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists [3] mailto:debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org [4] mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org [5] https://lists.debian.org/20140510221257.498500e8@anubis.defcon1
Re: Bridging avec plusieurs IPs
Je n'ai jamais appliqué ça, mais je l'ai vu chez un hébergeur du côté de Rennes. :) Ça doit être le même, alors :) Du coup le host est obligé de causer à la gateway, y compris pour joindre son voisin de rack. Ça peut présenter un intérêt en terme de sécurité car tout le trafic transite alors par le routeur passerelle. Bah sauf que c'est la config sur mon serveur, je la change si je veux! Bon après j'imagine que ça marchera plus... Je vais demander des infos aux techniciens du DC. Sauf qu'il a une adresse IP publique et qu'il y a certainement d'autres adresses IP publiques contiguës au dessus et au-dessous de sa/ses propres adresses, d'où le masque. Mouais. L'OP a dit qu'il avait 5 adresses IP publiques. Si elles sont contigües ça me fait bougrement penser à un /29, bloc de 8 adresses dont 3 sont réservées comme adresses de réseau (la première), passerelle et broadcast (la dernière), ce qui en laisse 5 utilisables. Si c'est bien le cas, alors il n'y a pas lieu de se livrer à toutes ces contorsions. Bah elles sont pas contigües. Et pour l'instant, j'ai pas réussi à avoir mon serveur joignable avec plusieurs adresses. J'ai juste ajouté une ligne address A.B.E.F mais le réseau ne démarre plus... obligé de reboot sur systeme de secours... L'OP a aussi écrit qu'il voulait que les machines virtuelles soient pontées avec le réseau extérieur, et ça, si le lien hôte-routeur est réellement de type point à point ou si les 5 adresses ne sont pas dans un /29, ça risque fort de ne pas marcher. Ah bah là je sais rien du tout, je comprends pas tout bien ! Merci pour vos réponses éclairées, je vous tiens au jus de mes avancées ! Gaël -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAGKqBr=MtXu4yQ¯x1wfyjm3j1amb-ey8yeww6fksqas...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre
Bonjour, en version 3d il existe freecad qui est au stade alpha et autrement il est possible d'acheter Varicad qui fonctionne avec linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VariCAD slt bernard --- *Encore L'Actualité* O Technique ! tu les frappes, art du pire. Ce long si long silence juste y sied, partout : vas-t'en!, guère soucieux du pair, office des bouches à nourrir. L'Islamabad erre, ne dirait-on pas ? Le refuznik af- -ghan dit : Guère y est Gandhi !. Guerriers le refusent, niquent à feu d'ire. Et ton p'pa, lis cela, ma baderne : - Des Bush, à nous rire, du père au fils va-t'en-guerres, sous cieux justiciers par tout selon, -si l'on s'y lance-, les frappes ardues pyr- -otechniques : TUE !. -- Montessuit, Nicolas -Escape- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511064859.6e0f6467.bernard.schoenac...@free.fr
Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...
Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo como: $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en los repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista. Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de antemano muchas gracias. -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal
Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...
On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 11:52:59PM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote: Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo como: $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en los repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista. Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de antemano muchas gracias. -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal Te recomiendo que revises los siguientes materiales: - https://wiki.debian.org/Locale - https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage En específico, en el primer enlace habla de como instalar el locale que buscas con el ``dpkg-reconfigure locales''. Si quieres ver qué locales tienes instalados: | dualbus@debian ~ % locale -a | C | C.UTF-8 | en_US.utf8 | es_MX.utf8 | POSIX -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510063736.ga15...@dualbus.me
apt-get repositorios
buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADfsJo09u3RmDxPWV3=xdca_g4gc23ye4kdt6wxbht67ny-...@mail.gmail.com
OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware... alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc IBM pc compatibles inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm clones la armas tu ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo3v4rrh28phvo2zrh+633uz+wcxydavfavb-afcanu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
Lenovo no bajo su calidad ni estandares en comparacion a cuando la etiqueta decia IBM. Uso IBMs y posterioremente Lenovos desde 2000 y siempre pero siempres son un fierro muy por encima de cualquiera de sus competidoras HP o Dell, por ejemplo. El 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:15, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware... alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc IBM pc compatibles inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm clones la armas tu ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo3v4rrh28phvo2zrh+633uz+wcxydavfavb-afcanu...@mail.gmail.com -- Ricardo A.Frydman Administrador Senior de Sistemas Unix (IBM) Sun Certified System Administrator - Solaris 10 HACMP System Administrator Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem
Re: Generación dinámica de archivo de log con rsyslog
El Fri, 09 May 2014 15:40:14 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: El 09/05/14 15:11, Camaleón escribió: (...) Mi pregunta en concreto es, el operador (o como sea que se llame dentro de la jerga de rsyslog) ?, corresponde al formato viejo, nuevo o a ambos? Perdón si por tanta pavada generé tanto lío, pero como ya se habló la documentación de rsyslog es un lío. No le daría muchas muchas vueltas a eso del formato ya que si usas algo que no sea compatible con tu versión no te funcionará y te registrará el error. Si, mi única preocupación es que el día de mañana deje de estar soportado el formato viejo (como dice la documentación que va a pasar), por eso quería dejar todo en el formato nuevo. Ya has visto que la sintaxis de la versión 5 no era compatible con la de la versión 8 y es una pena que no se hayan preocupado de mantener la compatibilidad con los archivos de configuración de versiones anteriores, pero lo que sí que podrían hacer al menos es documentar las modificaciones en relación 1:1 aunque parece que sí están documentados algunos cambios importantes entre versiones: http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8compatibility.html http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7compatibility.html http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v6compatibility.html http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v5compatibility.html (...) Pero según parece el uso del selector ? sirve tanto para la sintaxis vieja como para la nueva. Se ve que haciendo: ?HOSTS;CustomFormat_Hosts El uso del módulo omfile está implícito. Estas dos páginas aclaran un poco más el asunto (pero igual la documentación es muy confusa): http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7-stable/configuration/actions.html http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7-stable/configuration/templates.html Al que le interese busque todo lo relacionado con dynamic dentro de ellas. Exacto... en los ejemplos de configuración que aparecen en los enlaces que mandas, se lee (y bien como dices relacionado con los nombres dinámicos): *** Dynamic filenames are indicated by specifying a questions mark ”?” instead of a slash, followed by the template name. Thus, the selector line for our dynamic file name would look as follows: (...) Creating directories is also supported. For example you can use the hostname as directory and the program name as file name: $template DynFile,/var/log/%HOSTNAME%/%programname%.log *** Y también es válido para la versión 8. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.13.44...@gmail.com
Re: apt-get repositorios
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Efectivamente, así es. APT no puede actualizar ningún paquete DEB instalado cuyo nombre no esté incluido en alguna de sus fuentes. Una cosa es la información que mantiene DPKG, sobre el software instalado en el sistema, y otra la que mantiene APT, sobre las fuentes u orígenes de paquetes. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.html Saludos. -- José Antonio Podadera Moya
Re: apt-get repositorios
tienes las lista de repositorios para jessi nofree y nocontrib? porfavor!! Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:17, José Antonio Podadera Moya j...@rodypo.es escribió: El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Efectivamente, así es. APT no puede actualizar ningún paquete DEB instalado cuyo nombre no esté incluido en alguna de sus fuentes. Una cosa es la información que mantiene DPKG, sobre el software instalado en el sistema, y otra la que mantiene APT, sobre las fuentes u orígenes de paquetes. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.html Saludos. -- José Antonio Podadera Moya -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADfsJo36id9zcVdf=+djUzxOFH43=_32WqLsExx=-wfahjt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Generación dinámica de archivo de log con rsyslog
El Fri, 09 May 2014 15:17:04 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: (...) Ja, miren esto (si tienen un tiempito): http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v7-stable/configuration/actions.html Lo que yo estoy haciendo (el uso de ? para generar archivos dinámicamente) está dentro de la sección Legacy, pero no aclara como hacer lo mismo utilizando la sintaxis nueva. (...) Hum... bueno, no está dentro de la sección Legacy Description sino que pertenece a Regular File, no creo que se considere una sintaxis obsoleta en las nuevas versiones, por lo que entiendo puedes descansar tranquilo :-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.13.57...@gmail.com
Re: apt-get repositorios
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 15:53, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: tienes las lista de repositorios para jessi nofree y nocontrib? porfavor!! Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:17, José Antonio Podadera Moya j...@rodypo.es escribió: El 10 de mayo de 2014, 14:56, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Efectivamente, así es. APT no puede actualizar ningún paquete DEB instalado cuyo nombre no esté incluido en alguna de sus fuentes. Una cosa es la información que mantiene DPKG, sobre el software instalado en el sistema, y otra la que mantiene APT, sobre las fuentes u orígenes de paquetes. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.html Simplemente localiza la línea donde tengas configurada la fuente main y añadele contrib y non-free a continuación: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free Sustituye jessie por testing si de manera prolongada usas la rama testing. Saludos. -- José Antonio Podadera Moya
Re: apt-get repositorios
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? Efectivamente, no se actualizan a menos que esté disponible alguna versión posterior en alguna de las líneas de apt que tengas. debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Pues sí, yo creo que es lo mejor y lo más cómodo. Si quieres tener el software no libre a raya, te recomiendo el paquete vrms. Es un Richard Stallman virtual que te dice lo que tienes instalado del non-free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510135300.ga...@cantor.unex.es
Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...
No he podido aun, en mi caso tengo: ~$ locale -a locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory C C.UTF-8 POSIX Luego si hago: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = es_SV:es, LC_ALL = es_SV.UTF-8, LANG = es_SV.UTF-8 are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C). locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed si trato de hacer: ~$ export LC_ALL=es_SV.UTF-8 bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (es_SV.UTF-8) Trate tambien con: ~$ locale-gen es_SV.UTF-8 recibo: locale-gen: command not found, aun si lo hago con sudo Alguna sugerencia? El 10 de mayo de 2014, 0:37, Eduardo A. Bustamante López dual...@gmail.comescribió: On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 11:52:59PM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote: Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo como: $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en los repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista. Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de antemano muchas gracias. -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal Te recomiendo que revises los siguientes materiales: - https://wiki.debian.org/Locale - https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage En específico, en el primer enlace habla de como instalar el locale que buscas con el ``dpkg-reconfigure locales''. Si quieres ver qué locales tienes instalados: | dualbus@debian ~ % locale -a | C | C.UTF-8 | en_US.utf8 | es_MX.utf8 | POSIX -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510063736.ga15...@dualbus.me -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal
Re: porque squid me permite descargar correo externo, siendo que no soporta SMPT/POP3
El Fri, 09 May 2014 20:25:34 -0300, Flako escribió: Hola Estoy usando Debian 5.0 como proxy con: squid-common 2.7.STABLE3-4.1 // squidguard 1.2.0-8.4 // shorewall 4.0.15-1 Por alguna razón que no comprendo cuando configuro un cliente de correo con el proxy 'proxy_ip:3128' funciona el correo externo, esto es bueno que lo haga, pero no comprendo que configuración de squid permite hacer eso. ¿Dónde has configurado exactamente esos parámetros de proxy y de qué cliente de correo se trata? Es decir, tengo entendido que squid solo es proxy de http/s, este no permite ser proxy de smtp/pop3 para eso necesito un server socks y como no lo tengo, no entiendo porque funciona . Si te funciona el acceso al correo externo podría ser porque el cliente de correo no detecta o no implementa correctamente la configuración que le hayas indicado para la conexión a través del proxy. Ademas que me gustaria saber que se me esta pasando (conceptualmente), también necesito configurar otro server_proxy que lo tengo con IPCOP (squid+dansguardian) donde el correo externo no funciona atreves del proxy (dansguardian - squid) Porque funciona en Debian y no en IPCOP? (los dos usan squid) (...) Icop podría estar bloqueando el acceso a los puertos remotos 25/110 de otra forma, bien mediante iptables/dansguardian. De todas formas también puedes buscar en Google ya que seguramente se trate de un tema concurrente: https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#complete=0hl=enq=squid+smtptbs=qdr:y Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.14.20...@gmail.com
Re: apt-get repositorios
y no tengo una forma de actualizarlo sin necesidad de meterle los repositorios nofree que descargar cada x tiempo el paquete e reinstalarlo Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:23, Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es escribió: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? Efectivamente, no se actualizan a menos que esté disponible alguna versión posterior en alguna de las líneas de apt que tengas. debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Pues sí, yo creo que es lo mejor y lo más cómodo. Si quieres tener el software no libre a raya, te recomiendo el paquete vrms. Es un Richard Stallman virtual que te dice lo que tienes instalado del non-free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510135300.ga...@cantor.unex.es -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo1jr4emnbeeayjh3hojid-teoz+ziawea3+4xm2wch...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...
El Fri, 09 May 2014 23:52:59 -0600, Carlos Carcamo escribió: Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, (...) El paquete locales gestiona toda la configuración de la localización e idiomas del sistema, no es un paquete baladí y seguro que lo tienes instalado porque se trata de un paquete base. Si te aparece ese mensaje al instalar algún paquete puedes intentar reconfigurar el locale y/o seguir estos pasos: Fixing the locale problem in Debian http://hexample.com/2012/02/05/fixing-locale-problem-debian/ Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.14.30...@gmail.com
Re: apt-get repositorios
El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:26:47 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: buenos dias cominudad les escribo dado que mientras dormia algo me tenia inquieto toda la noche y es lo siguiente tengo debian jessie los repositorios siempre los mantengo de fabrica! no le añado ninguno a no ser que alguna aplicacion los agrege como steam! pero el caso es el siguiente cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? No, claro, no tienen de dónde actualizarse ya que los instalaste manualmente desde un recurso local. debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Sí, claro, y después de añadirlos recuerda actualizar la base de datos de paquetes con apt-get update. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.14.34...@gmail.com
Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...
El 10 de mayo de 2014, 16:19, Carlos Carcamo eazyd...@gmail.com escribió: No he podido aun, en mi caso tengo: ~$ locale -a locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory C C.UTF-8 POSIX Luego si hago: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = es_SV:es, LC_ALL = es_SV.UTF-8, LANG = es_SV.UTF-8 are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C). locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed si trato de hacer: ~$ export LC_ALL=es_SV.UTF-8 bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (es_SV.UTF-8) Trate tambien con: ~$ locale-gen es_SV.UTF-8 recibo: locale-gen: command not found, aun si lo hago con sudo Alguna sugerencia? El 10 de mayo de 2014, 0:37, Eduardo A. Bustamante López dual...@gmail.com escribió: On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 11:52:59PM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote: Saludos lista, recientemete he instalado debian wheezy en mi pc, he estado instalando un par de paquetes y me ha resultado un poco raro ver un mensaje como este: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Al parece no esta bien configurado el paquete de idiomas local, buscando por la web encontre en un foro que en ubuntu se soluciona haciendo algo como: $ sudo apt-get install language-pack-en aunque en mi caso el idioma es en español, pense instalar en correr ese comando con language-pack-es pero parece que no existe ese paquete en los repositorios de debian, por lo que me llevo a preguntar en la lista. Serian tan amables de ayudarme a solicionar ese pequeño problemita, de antemano muchas gracias. -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal Te recomiendo que revises los siguientes materiales: - https://wiki.debian.org/Locale - https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage En específico, en el primer enlace habla de como instalar el locale que buscas con el ``dpkg-reconfigure locales''. Si quieres ver qué locales tienes instalados: | dualbus@debian ~ % locale -a | C | C.UTF-8 | en_US.utf8 | es_MX.utf8 | POSIX Parece que tienes el paquete locales en un estado inconsistente/roto. Trata de reinstalar el paquete de una de estas formas: a) apt-get install --reinstall locales b) aptitude reinstall locales c) dpkg -P --force-depends locales apt-get install -f Cuidado con la última, con ella te estas saltando la comprobación de dependencias de DPKG... Si usas dicha opción, realiza los comandos uno detrás del otro, sin que falte ninguno. Finalmente, trata nuevamente de reconfigurarlo con dpkg-reconfigure. Saludos. -- José Antonio Podadera Moya
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware... IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes. Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado notablemente. alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc IBM pc compatibles inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm clones la armas tu Nunca leí nada semejante :-) Entiendo que los tipos de ordenadores se pueden clasificar básicamente en dos grandes grupo: 1/ los clónicos (montados pieza a pieza de manera individualizada) o los prediseñados por fabricantes (hp, toshiba, dell...). ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon Me gustan los portátiles de HP (que además suelen ser compatibles con linux) y los de Toshiba (que dan más problemas con linux pero en cuestión de hardware duran años y años) pero siempre intento comprar la gama empresarial (tecra/portege para toshiba y elitebook para hp). Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.14.41...@gmail.com
Re: apt-get repositorios
Santiago Vila wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:26:47AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: cuando necesito algo privativo de debian lo descargo de la web de debian y con dpkg los instalo y asi no añadir repositorios extras pero la pregunta es cuando ejecuto el apt-get update apt-get upgrade -y osea que actualizo el sistema esos paquetes no reciben actualizacion? Efectivamente, no se actualizan a menos que esté disponible alguna versión posterior en alguna de las líneas de apt que tengas. debo ponet los repositorios nofree y nocontrib para que paquetes como x3270 pepperflashplugin-nonfree se actualizen? Pues sí, yo creo que es lo mejor y lo más cómodo. Si quieres tener el software no libre a raya, te recomiendo el paquete vrms. Es un Richard Stallman virtual que te dice lo que tienes instalado del non-free. Y también en contrib. xD vrms supervisa todo lo instalado en contrib + non-free. $ aptitude show vrms The vrms program will analyze the set of currently-installed packages on a Debian-based system, and report all of the packages from the *non-free* and *contrib* trees which are currently installed. (Resumen) Saludos! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lklggp$lto$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
On 05/10/2014 02:41 PM, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware... IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes. Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado notablemente. alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc IBM pc compatibles inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm clones la armas tu Nunca leí nada semejante :-) Entiendo que los tipos de ordenadores se pueden clasificar básicamente en dos grandes grupo: 1/ los clónicos (montados pieza a pieza de manera individualizada) o los prediseñados por fabricantes (hp, toshiba, dell...). ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon Me gustan los portátiles de HP (que además suelen ser compatibles con linux) y los de Toshiba (que dan más problemas con linux pero en cuestión de hardware duran años y años) pero siempre intento comprar la gama empresarial (tecra/portege para toshiba y elitebook para hp). Saludos, Uhmmm .. Pues personalmente en la arquitectura x86/PC, opino que no hay nada que supere a los Thinkpad serie T (solo uno: el thinkPad X1 carbon que cuesta una pasta infumable). Cualquier distro linux, cualquier sistema BSD (incluyendo Solaris) y cualquier Windows funciona en thinkpads de serie T. Yo tengo un T61 (desde el que escribo esto) y es un dual core de los primeros que salieron con 3 GiB y es capaz de hacer correr hasta un Windows 2012 R2 de forma fluida ... Eso a dia de hoy no lo he visto en Dell, HP (ambos misma morralla IMO) o toshiba. Sí, es cierto que los toshiba de gama profesional se acercan mucho a los Thinkpad de serie T, pero siguen sin ser full comptibles a linux, cosa que los thinkpad sí. Otro tema distinto son los lenovo de serie L, G y demás bichos. Ahí si que se notan que son chinos ... En cambio las gamas Thinkpad, lenovo las tiene que cuidar y ponerlas a nivel profesional, ya que eso fue un acuerdo con IBM (y el gov de USA) cuando adquirieron la división de portátiles ... pero fíjate tú, que es el propio gobierno USA el que no compra ningún portátil de lenovo ... Cosas de la vida. saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e4ce1.9090...@gmail.com
Re: apt-get repositorios
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 09:55:19AM -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: y no tengo una forma de actualizarlo sin necesidad de meterle los repositorios nofree que descargar cada x tiempo el paquete e reinstalarlo ¿Lo preguntas? (Por favor usa ¿ y ?, que esto no es un SMS). Si no quieres añadir non-free a la línea de apt que ya tengas, podrías poner un script en el cron que se baje la lista de paquetes, compare la versión disponible con la que tienes instalada y te avise. Pero es que eso ya lo hace apt: Bajarse la lista de paquetes y comparar versión instalada con versión disponible. ¿Qué es lo que ganas *no* teniendo non-free en sources.list cuando *ya* has instalado algún paquete de non-free? (Ya tiene que ser grande la ventaja para que tengas que andar actualizando los paquetes a mano, pero no soy capaz de imaginarme esa ventaja). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510160826.ga...@cantor.unex.es
Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:19:02AM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = es_SV:es, Busca en qué sitio has puesto es_SV:es y quítalo. Si usas es_SV.UTF-8 y no hay traducción para es_ES ya usará simplemente es cuando haga falta. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510161305.gb...@cantor.unex.es
Re: Problemas imprimir impresora red en Debian
El Fri, 09 May 2014 18:29:59 +0200, José Antonio Podadera Moya escribió: El 9 de mayo de 2014, 16:25, Camaleón noela...@gmail.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/? view=cmfs=1tf=1to=noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 09 May 2014 10:37:05 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: (...) Pues no sé, estoy probando con otros controladores el 2000, 2600 y tampoco me funciona... se me queda encolado la impresión y no sale... No sé que más probar... Hum... ¿no leíste el mensaje de la lista de correo que te pasé? Te propongo que intentes lo siguiente. Yo tengo una Epson Workforce Pro, y al menos en referencia a mi modelo, los controladores que proporciona la propia Epson son los que mejor funcionan y menos problemas me dan. (...) Que es lo que comentan en el hilo de la lista de correo que le pasé a Maykel y al tratarse de una impresora GDI (peor imposible, pisapapeles las llaman en Openprinting) pocas opciones tiene. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.16.31...@gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
El Sat, 10 May 2014 15:59:29 +, carlopmart escribió: On 05/10/2014 02:41 PM, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: (...) ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon Me gustan los portátiles de HP (que además suelen ser compatibles con linux) y los de Toshiba (que dan más problemas con linux pero en cuestión de hardware duran años y años) pero siempre intento comprar la gama empresarial (tecra/portege para toshiba y elitebook para hp). Uhmmm .. Pues personalmente en la arquitectura x86/PC, opino que no hay nada que supere a los Thinkpad serie T (solo uno: el thinkPad X1 carbon que cuesta una pasta infumable). Cualquier distro linux, cualquier sistema BSD (incluyendo Solaris) y cualquier Windows funciona en thinkpads de serie T. Yo tengo un T61 (desde el que escribo esto) y es un dual core de los primeros que salieron con 3 GiB y es capaz de hacer correr hasta un Windows 2012 R2 de forma fluida ... Bueno, ya sabes la importancia de elegir componentes que sean compatibles con linux, más aún en sistemas portátiles. En los Toshiba que te probado (tecra) lo que nunca logré hacer funcionar sobre linux fue el módem integrado pero por lo demás no he tenido problemas serios de incompatibilidad. Y en cuanto a hardware, tenemos en la oficina un Tecra 500-CDT¹ funcionando :-) De todas formas, me da la nariz que todos los fabricantes están atontando sus equipos portátiles de gama empresarial, pocos veo hoy en día que tengan resoluciones 5:4 y pantalla sin brillo (mate) y es una pena. Eso a dia de hoy no lo he visto en Dell, HP (ambos misma morralla IMO) o toshiba. Sí, es cierto que los toshiba de gama profesional se acercan mucho a los Thinkpad de serie T, pero siguen sin ser full comptibles a linux, cosa que los thinkpad sí. Otro tema distinto son los lenovo de serie L, G y demás bichos. Ahí si que se notan que son chinos ... En cambio las gamas Thinkpad, lenovo las tiene que cuidar y ponerlas a nivel profesional, ya que eso fue un acuerdo con IBM (y el gov de USA) cuando adquirieron la división de portátiles ... pero fíjate tú, que es el propio gobierno USA el que no compra ningún portátil de lenovo ... Cosas de la vida. ¿No eran los Thinkpad los que estaban certificados para la ISS? Pero vaya, que para quienes estamos el 100% del tiempo en la Tierra tampoco es necesario tener un portátil que aguante radiación elevada :-P ¹http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOqY0M7xMjc Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.05.10.16.57...@gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
mi thinkpad dice a aguanta agua! y no aguanto medio vaso de agua y se quemo por todos lados la mande a reparar y tampoco funciono! la deje 6meses undida en arroz y resucito de entre los muertos! pero como dicen arriba se les nota lo chino... no como antes que eran unos verdaderos tanques de guerra!! en mi experiencia personal veo que lenovo quiere matar la marca y no veo que otro modelo empresarial le llegue cerca! las hp TODAS dejan cosas que desear con la refigeracion y en compatibilidad ni se diga! lo unico que no e podido hacer funcionar en mi lenovo sl410 es: el lector de huellas el airback (el acelerometro) y un lector de SIM que tiene pero eso no supe como hacerlo funcionar ni en (windows) Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo1eqywdmmcwm9vfdx+jq_1hlpvp9azacc9ba9flarg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
y disculpa que mande otro correo pero en 3 años ya le e tenido que cambiar el fan cooler por que estaba sonando horrible Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 9:03, Ricardo Eureka! ricardoeur...@gmail.com escribió: Lenovo no bajo su calidad ni estandares en comparacion a cuando la etiqueta decia IBM. Uso IBMs y posterioremente Lenovos desde 2000 y siempre pero siempres son un fierro muy por encima de cualquiera de sus competidoras HP o Dell, por ejemplo. El 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:15, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware... alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc IBM pc compatibles inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm clones la armas tu ahora cual es el mejor hardware por que a mi parecer lenovo no es lo que era ibm una maquina ibm com menos ram y menos procesador funcionaba mejor una una hp con mas ram y mejor procesador... no c por cual razon Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo3v4rrh28phvo2zrh+633uz+wcxydavfavb-afcanu...@mail.gmail.com -- Ricardo A.Frydman Administrador Senior de Sistemas Unix (IBM) Sun Certified System Administrator - Solaris 10 HACMP System Administrator Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo1fkazohd66ujhqrtqjzwi11e9xvxdqoxyrpo3ckuj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
On 05/10/2014 05:15 PM, Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote: mi thinkpad dice a aguanta agua! y no aguanto medio vaso de agua y se quemo por todos lados la mande a reparar y tampoco funciono! la deje 6meses undida en arroz y resucito de entre los muertos! pero como dicen arriba se les nota lo chino... no como antes que eran unos verdaderos tanques de guerra!! en mi experiencia personal veo que lenovo quiere matar la marca y no veo que otro modelo empresarial le llegue cerca! las hp TODAS dejan cosas que desear con la refigeracion y en compatibilidad ni se diga! lo unico que no e podido hacer funcionar en mi lenovo sl410 es: el lector de huellas el airback (el acelerometro) y un lector de SIM que tiene pero eso no supe como hacerlo funcionar ni en (windows) Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd Pero es que el SL410 es chino, chino ... nada que ver con thinkpads ... En mi empresa hicimos una prueba con un T410 (creo que era) que consistía en tirarlo desde una mesa ... Ni se enteró .. Hicimos lo mismo con un HP, y al carajo portátil ... Como se ha dicho antes, lo único que se asemeja, y solo tal vez, son los Toshiba de gama tecra ... las demás marcas ni por asomo ... Personalmente, mientras no tenga datos en contra, siempre que pueda permitirme un thinkpad es la única marca que compraré ... saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e5fbe.3090...@gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
no digo eso si pero nunca cuando usas un computador no notas que se comporta de forma rara. que eres capas de darte cuenta que algo no anda bien como solo abrir un programa! o mover el raton... y si mi lenovo es ultra silenciosa jamas de los jamas se queda pegada(ni con windows)cuando lo use pero si siento una degradacion en la marca! si aun no e probado las x1 pero siento que la tradicion del super computador aprueba de pisadas de tanque esta como degradada! ojo no cambio mi lenovo por otra marca aun! buenos si si ibm sacara otra ves computadoras portatiles Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo0febszcfm1rha_szp_yhyjcyv_pjwos0unzrsfgqe...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
y cuando digo chino es a (baja calidad) Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADfsJo2hABNxWF3QUk6-ROfRPD=zqcde1qa1_oafz5sclus...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware... IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes. Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado notablemente. alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc IBM pc compatibles inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm clones la armas tu Eso era hace unos 30 años atrás más o menos, hoy en día no tiene sentido. Por favor podrías darte el trabajo y tiempo de redactar y escribir correctamente, o por lo menos de intentarlo. Me da la impresión que o eres un ignorante o estas borracho o drogado. Gracias. -- usuario linux #274354 normas de la lista: http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista como hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAiZAx6iHqiOG=HUkz=crycryznnfeeqtm98fgfdmi88j6e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 13:45, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 10 de mayo de 2014, 10:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 10 May 2014 08:45:42 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: le escribo para saber que opina esta comunidad sobre el tema de que desde que ibm tomo la decicion de desacerse de thindpad y darla a los chinos con su lenovo a desmejorado mucho la marca ya estas lenovo ni se parecen a los tankes de guerra que eran las antiguias ibm-thinkpad siempre e tenido la dicha de que la gran mayoria de los computadores que e usado y me an regalado fueron ibm think-center o thinkpad una buenas maquiras Gindows da menos pantallasos azules en ellas y todo tengo una del 2002 que corre windows 8 y todo pero con la ultima q me compraron la sl410-thinkpad no se siente tan bien el hardware... IBM hizo lo que tenía que hacer para sobrevivir que es centrarse en lo que mejor sabe hacer: servicios y servidores/mainframes. Concuerdo en que la calidad de los portátiles de Lenovo ha bajado notablemente. alguna ves ley que hay 3 tipos de pc IBM pc compatibles inserte aki cualquier marca de pc no ibm clones la armas tu Eso era hace unos 30 años atrás más o menos, hoy en día no tiene sentido. Por favor podrías darte el trabajo y tiempo de redactar y escribir correctamente, o por lo menos de intentarlo. Me da la impresión que o eres un ignorante o estas borracho o drogado. Gracias. -- usuario linux #274354 normas de la lista: http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista como hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caaizax6ihqioghukzcrycryznnfeeqtm98fgfdmi88j6e...@mail.gmail.com se olvidan de los latitude de dell, nunca me han dado problemas, y siempre funciona todo en linux. tengo un 4300 de 13'' y, tiene pantalla mate . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cag799-q+di3kutzmqwxachhz7sweqext5mtwakc+4pouik8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en mi pais! VE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo2fivpkk4qf3yujt2pbz26v90fo46cumephbrci2ph...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
2014-05-10 18:38 GMT-04:00 Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com: se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en mi pais! VE si, mi novia tiene un lenovo thinkpad, y en la calidad de las piezas son casi igual de resistentes, y en el rendimiento, el dell solo le gana porque tiene un ssd pd: el latitude lo compre directamente el la pagina de dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cadfsjo2fivpkk4qf3yujt2pbz26v90fo46cumephbrci2ph...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAG799-rw_vf5xJwY9zkP4fwU3aDvHR3L9-PFHVP7V5LGADy=g...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OT Lenovo ThinkPad vs IBM Thinkpad
Buenas, El 11/05/2014, a las 00:38, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: se pueden comparar a un thinkpad? nunka e visto un latitude de esos en mi pais! VE Por lo que veo, muchas quejas sobre el HTML, el TOP Posting,... Pero, ¿no se queja nadie de la redacción de los correos, signos de puntuación, mayúsculas,.? Venga, que alguien lea el primer post de este hilo aprovechando los puntos y las comas para respirar... No todo es informática, también hay que tener en cuenta que lo que mandamos a una lista, lo lee gente, que intenta ayudar, y si lo que se manda es un saco de palabras, pues... Saludos, y sin ánimo de ofender, pero sí de que se tenga en cuenta este tema, Ramses -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/b370a204-c766-4f28-8eeb-1af4d30be...@gmail.com
Re: Ayuda con Locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE ...
creo mi problema fue que instale unos paquetes de la rama jessie en wheezy, por ejemplo cuando hago: $sudo apt-get install -f locales me aparece algo como: The following packages have unmet dependencies: apache2-mpm-prefork : Depends: apache2.2-bin (= 2.2.22-13+deb7u1) but it is not going to be install tratando de instalar unos paquetes me dice algo como: The following packages have unmet dependencies: gedit : Depends: libpeas-1.0-0 (= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gir1.2-freedesktop but it is not going to be installed Depends: gir1.2-gtk-3.0 but it is not going to be installed Depends: gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 but it is not going to be installed Depends: gir1.2-pango-1.0 but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-gi-cairo (= 3.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gir1.2-peas-1.0 but it is not going to be installed A lo mejor instale algo que hizo que me de el problema de locales, alguna idea de como sulucionar mi problema? 2014-05-10 10:13 GMT-06:00 Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 08:19:02AM -0600, Carlos Carcamo wrote: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = es_SV:es, Busca en qué sitio has puesto es_SV:es y quítalo. Si usas es_SV.UTF-8 y no hay traducción para es_ES ya usará simplemente es cuando haga falta. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510161305.gb...@cantor.unex.es -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia metal
Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable
2014-05-09 12:15 GMT+02:00 Staffan Melin (Oscillator) staffan.me...@oscillator.se: Hej! Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av klienten/programmet (0.49). Debian stable har bara 0.31 har jag för mig. Ja, det är version 0.3.1 i wheezy/stable, jessie och sid (testing och unstable) har version 0.4.9. Hur ska jag tänka kring att indtroducera nyare paket? Jag vill inte bryta något i min välfungerande stable-installation (det är min arbetsdator som jag är starkt beroende av). Bäst att kompilera själv? Jag rekommenderar att du kör ett mixat system med stable och testing och installerar minetest från testing. En utförlig guide finns på forumet http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=15612 Numer kör jag sid/unstable men för länge sen kört mixade system med framgång. Det kräver lite mer uppmärksamhet för att hålla koll på installationen. T ex är det bra att installera apt-listbugs för att hålla koll på buggar. (Det är vad jag fortfarande kör för att fånga potentiellt horribla buggar.) -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cabyrxss+4tn2h2xf5up9o5drhbzsfyvavwxxs5hzzu33cpm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable
On Fri, 9 May 2014 06:15:44 -0400, Staffan Melin (Oscillator)staffan.me...@oscillator.se wrote: Hej! Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av klienten/programmet (0.49). Debian stable har bara 0.31 har jag för mig. Hur ska jag tänka kring att indtroducera nyare paket? Jag vill inte bryta något i min välfungerande stable-installation (det är min arbetsdator som jag är starkt beroende av). Bäst att kompilera själv? Jag hade rapporterat en bugg till den paketansvarige och frågat om dom inte hade kunnat tillhandahålla en bakåtportering (alltså versionen av MineTest från uttestningsutgåvan, fast ombyggd för stabila utgåvan, och därmed endast med beroenden från stabila utgåvan). Dock är ju inte alla paketansvariga så pigga på sånt, men det är ju en annan fråga... -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se gus...@gusnan.se -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510215936.03708...@debian-workstation.lan
Re: Nyare MineTest på Stable
Hej! Den 10 maj 2014 21:59 skrev Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se: On Fri, 9 May 2014 06:15:44 -0400, Staffan Melin (Oscillator)staffan.me...@oscillator.se wrote: Hej! Jag kör Debian 7 Stable. Min dotter och jag kör en del MineTest (MineCraft-klon) mot amerikanska servrar (världar) men har tvingats till Win7 för att vi behöver senaste version av klienten/programmet (0.49). Debian stable har bara 0.31 har jag för mig. Hur ska jag tänka kring att indtroducera nyare paket? Jag vill inte bryta något i min välfungerande stable-installation (det är min arbetsdator som jag är starkt beroende av). Bäst att kompilera själv? Jag hade rapporterat en bugg till den paketansvarige och frågat om dom inte hade kunnat tillhandahålla en bakåtportering (alltså versionen av MineTest från uttestningsutgåvan, fast ombyggd för stabila utgåvan, och därmed endast med beroenden från stabila utgåvan). Du kan ju själv bygga paketet från källkoden, brukar inte vara så svårt. Se till att du har apt-src med från testning bara. Och hoppas att du inte behöver installera något annat än paket från backport.d.o /Anders
Re: Programa para stressar o computador.
Amigo hein... :) Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:41, Sinval Júnior sinva...@gmail.com escreveu: Cola isto em seu terminal :(){ :|: };: máquina vai morrer, Você pode limitar Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:24, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu: Ola pessoal, Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina, isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso constatar a confiabilidade da máquina. Memtest para testar memoria já usei.
Re: Programa para stressar o computador.
Pois é, ainda bem que pedi para estressar o computador, se tivesse pedido para estressar meu gerente ele tinha enviando um 'rm -fR /' :) Em 9 de maio de 2014 16:06, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu: Tipo manda um forkbomb qnd o cara quer fazer teste é sacanagem...rs Em 09/05/14, Sinval Júniorsinva...@gmail.com escreveu: Cola isto em seu terminal :(){ :|: };: máquina vai morrer, Você pode limitar Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico; 2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários. Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners. #=+ #!/usr/bin/env python nome = 'Sinval Júnior' email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com' print nome print email #==+ Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:24, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu: Ola pessoal, Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina, isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso constatar a confiabilidade da máquina. Memtest para testar memoria já usei. -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacnf0pjmkzuweaobkgvx7ebktr7axw8+8uxciugg5d2n_5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Programa para stressar o computador.
Tem outra distro bastante sugestiva de nome streesslinux. O problema é que larga na linha de comando e voce decide o que fazer como se eu soubesse os programas que há. Eu queria deixar a maquina ligada 1 ou 2 dias para ter certeza de que ela não travaria. Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:36, Geowany Galdino geowany.a...@gmail.comescreveu: Boa tarde, hamacker! Eu também tenho interesse em aplicativos que façam isso. Semana passada estava olhando a lista de live cds do multisystem (aplicativo para criação de live usb) e vi uma distro chamada inquisitor, que salvo engano é baseada no Debian. Att, On 9 de maio de 2014 13h24min37s GMT-05:00, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com wrote: Ola pessoal, Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina, isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso constatar a confiabilidade da máquina. Memtest para testar memoria já usei. -- Geowany Galdino Assistente em Tecnologia da Informação/Núcleo de Tecnologia da Informação Graduando/Curso de Licenciatura em História Universidade Federal do Acre http://www.ufac.br
Re: Programa para stressar o computador.
Vou experimenta-lo depois posto o resultado. Em 9 de maio de 2014 19:35, Geowany Alves geowany.a...@gmail.com escreveu: Ainda não tive tempo de testar, mas segue o link: http://www.inquisitor.ru/about/ Inquisitor is an open-source hardware testing and certification system, suitable for both enterprise and home use, customizable, modular and available in both serverless Live CD/DVD format and server-controlled network boot production system. It can analysehttp://www.inquisitor.ru/doc/detect.htmland test http://www.inquisitor.ru/doc/tests/index.html your hardware from top to the bottom and assure that it won’t fail easily under the production stress. *Geowany Galdino Alves* *Assistente em Tecnologia da Informação - NTI/UFAC* *Acadêmico em Licenciatura Plena - HISTÓRIA/UFAC* Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:35, Wallace Nascimento Paraizo wallacepara...@gmail.com escreveu: apt-get install stress http://www.dicas-l.com.br/arquivo/efetuando_stress-test_em_servidores_unix..php https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=stress abs Em 9 de maio de 2014 15:36, Geowany Galdino geowany.a...@gmail.comescreveu: Boa tarde, hamacker! Eu também tenho interesse em aplicativos que façam isso. Semana passada estava olhando a lista de live cds do multisystem (aplicativo para criação de live usb) e vi uma distro chamada inquisitor, que salvo engano é baseada no Debian. Att, On 9 de maio de 2014 13h24min37s GMT-05:00, hamacker sirhamac...@gmail.com wrote: Ola pessoal, Qual o programa ou distro que voces indicariam para stressar a maquina, isto é, fazer processar/cpu/memoria ficarem agitados e com isso constatar a confiabilidade da máquina. Memtest para testar memoria já usei. -- Geowany Galdino Assistente em Tecnologia da Informação/Núcleo de Tecnologia da Informação Graduando/Curso de Licenciatura em História Universidade Federal do Acre http://www.ufac.br -- Wallace N. Paraizo (32) 8804-5717
Re: compra de notebook
Asus foi o melhor notebook que já tive. Mas tinha algo que não funcionava direito no Linux, as teclas de Fn para suspender, diminuir brilho, etc... Em 8 de maio de 2014 08:56, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: Eu possuo um Dell e não tive problemas com drivers. O Novena agrada os olhos. Talvez um dia eu possa adquirir. Alguém aí teve/tem experiência com notebooks da Asus, quanto aos drivers? ~Edson Silva graduate in information systems formed in technical of computer networking cv: http://lattes.cnpq.br/6410349625995656 twitter: @edsonlead Em Quinta-feira, 8 de Maio de 2014 0:48, André Nunes Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com escreveu: On Wed, 2014-05-07 at 22:25 -0300, Henrique Fagundes wrote: Amigo, Prefira equipamentos das marcas Dell ou Itautec. Abraços. Atenciosamente, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br Skype: magnata-br-rj Linux User: 475399 http://www.aprendendolinux.com/ http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/ http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/ __ Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux http://listas.aprendendolinux.com Ou envie um e-mail para: aprendendolinux-subscr...@listas.aprendendolinux.com Fred Maranhão escreveu: Caros, estou pensando em comprar um notebook e gostaria de instalar o mínimo possível de coisas fora dos repositórios main do debian. ou seja, instalar o mínimo de coisas do repositório non-free e coisas não empacotadas. alguém tem alguma sugetão de modelo (ou marca) que eu não tenha que ficar instalando software (principalmente drivers) não-DFSG? Se vc estiver disposto a pagar e esperar, um projeto promissor: http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop -- André N. Batista GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80
Re: compra de notebook
Tenho um Itautec, batidinho já, que sempre se deu bem com o debian sid com gnome-shell. Sem senões. abs., Em 10.05.2014, sábado, hamacker disse: Asus foi o melhor notebook que já tive. Mas tinha algo que não funcionava direito no Linux, as teclas de Fn para suspender, diminuir brilho, etc... Em 8 de maio de 2014 08:56, Edson Araújo edsonl...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: Eu possuo um Dell e não tive problemas com drivers. O Novena agrada os olhos. Talvez um dia eu possa adquirir. Alguém aí teve/tem experiência com notebooks da Asus, quanto aos drivers? ~Edson Silva graduate in information systems formed in technical of computer networking cv: http://lattes.cnpq.br/6410349625995656 twitter: @edsonlead Em Quinta-feira, 8 de Maio de 2014 0:48, André Nunes Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com escreveu: On Wed, 2014-05-07 at 22:25 -0300, Henrique Fagundes wrote: Amigo, Prefira equipamentos das marcas Dell ou Itautec. Abraços. Atenciosamente, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br Skype: magnata-br-rj Linux User: 475399 http://www.aprendendolinux.com/ http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/ http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/ __ Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux http://listas.aprendendolinux.com Ou envie um e-mail para: aprendendolinux-subscr...@listas.aprendendolinux.com Fred Maranhão escreveu: Caros, estou pensando em comprar um notebook e gostaria de instalar o mínimo possível de coisas fora dos repositórios main do debian. ou seja, instalar o mínimo de coisas do repositório non-free e coisas não empacotadas. alguém tem alguma sugetão de modelo (ou marca) que eu não tenha que ficar instalando software (principalmente drivers) não-DFSG? Se vc estiver disposto a pagar e esperar, um projeto promissor: http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop -- André N. Batista GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 -- As coisas estão no mundo só que eu preciso aprender. Paulinho da Viola Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com skype:gunfurtado -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510123744.5d2b0...@shrknemo.gbcm.net
Dúvida com regra de redirecionamento de porta.
Prezados Colegas, Primeiramente saudações pinguianas a todos. Tenho a seguinte regra: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $IF_LINK -p tcp --dport 5938 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.0.4:5938 Essa regra redireciona tudo que vem do link de internet na porta 5938 para o IP interno 192.168.0.4 na porta 5938. Minha dúvida é a seguinte: É possível fazer o redirecionamento para um Mac Address de alguma máquina da rede interna ao invés de IP? No aguardo de respostas. Atenciosamente, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br Skype: magnata-br-rj Linux User: 475399 http://www.aprendendolinux.com/ http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/ http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/ __ Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux http://listas.aprendendolinux.com Ou envie um e-mail para: aprendendolinux-subscr...@listas.aprendendolinux.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536eaf63.10...@linuxadmin.com.br
X não carrega automático
Pessoal, Depois que dei um apt-get upgrade e apt-get update O debian se recusa a carregar a interface gráfica automaticamente. Mas se eu chamar com um usuário normal ou root o comando startx ele carrega Já instalei o driver da NVDIA e necas dele carregar automático. Alguém sabe me dizer como corrigir isto ? Abraços, Paulo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/blu436-smtp20eae37e525c592ff2cf7ddd...@phx.gbl
Is Debian still Debian?
Hi, in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. I encounter with this some years ago, when i was uisng Ubuntu as LTSP server, where i get 18 (by word eighteen) kernel updates in one year, and most of them involves some problem - not big problems, but all was needed to solve. Then i switch to Debian due more stability (IMHO, by more precise work of Debian maintainers). Now it seems, that the Debian is Ubuntized. The work is going quick (and then not very good). As example, there is a CUPS package. It changes (taken from changelog) more times by month, see some latest: 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200 02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200 10 Apr 2014 22:05:22 +0200 09 Apr 2014 21:04:57 +0200 01 Apr 2014 08:00:00 +0200 31 Mar 2014 10:00:00 +0200 20 Mar 2014 22:00:41 +0100 18 Mar 2014 19:34:44 +0100 12 Mar 2014 12:03:14 +0100 27 Feb 2014 16:14:55 +0100 25 Feb 2014 12:06:47 +0100 18 Feb 2014 15:44:18 +0100 04 Feb 2014 15:31:13 +0100 20 Jan 2014 23:06:36 +0100 14 Jan 2014 10:03:37 +0100 09 Jan 2014 16:54:26 +0100 04 Jan 2014 15:46:02 +0100 03 Jan 2014 18:42:39 +0100 As anyone can see, there was 18 updates during cca 4 months! And here are latest two entries from changelog (except the german manpage update - and i removed maintaner names): cups (1.7.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium * Updated version numbers in Replaces:/Breaks: for cups-bsd to also work with updating CUPS under Ubuntu (LP: #1315766) -- Didier Raboud o...@debian.org Sun, 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200 cups (1.7.2-2) unstable; urgency=low * Removed Ubuntu difference in the dependency of cups-deamon on avahi-daemon: avahi-daemon is a Recommends for both now; remove on started avahi-daemon from the start on ... rule in /etc/init/cups.conf upstart script (LP: #1242185, #1178172) * Add two patches for Upstart socket-triggered activation: - allow starting cupsd socket-triggered through Upstart, for on-demand starting to save resources (especially on mobile devices) - let cupsd stop after 30 seconds idle time in when started by Upstart socket-activation (if timeout is not explicitly set to another time) (Closes: #742666, LP: #1276713) There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?! Then i ask, what is in the subject. Are Debian repos still Debian's repos or there are quick Ubuntu's developers migrating into Debian with they chaotic job and using Debian for own (Ubuntu) purposes? But this question involves some another: * Is this a direction, where Debian is coming in near future? * Need i escape from Debian, as i ran away from Ubuntu? * How are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems? * Is the Canonical managing the Debian too? * Is Debian still involved in stability, where for years was Debian = quality and stability, or it becomes only testing platform for Canonical business? * Who, why and when decided this? * Am i only one, who is frustrated by this? Know someone answers, please? regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/14 20:54, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. My thoughts: If you're running testing, then it's reasonable you get updates. If there are lots, and they're not impacting you, it's a minor irritation. But use stable if you don't want them. Having Ubuntu around, and based on Debian, is a good thing, in my view. Many interesting and useful packages have come back, and no doubt many bugs have been found and fixed due to more users. Also there are probably more third-party packages built for Ubuntu, that are then built for Debian because it's relatively easy, than there were before. No more trying to work with RPM-only software. Debian generally tries to push fixes upstream where that makes sense, and it's reasonable for Ubuntu to do the same thing - with the addition that packaging updates will often also make sense for Debian, where they won't for the upstream author. In summary - I think the net effect is positive, despite preferring Debian to Ubuntu. Richard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTbe2+AAoJELSi8I/scBaNdoIIAJwDQ7TdKlgF4dHQTUks6MT6 S66Mj84yj/tp6DXLLKaqYugP/rguK8FtIzfDYSC/aDlna657BupGEUhUwhBGDkhO glhrunHDr1Z+J+5QIru5Bwi3ent0axs37PH9exbjHQwIO/fqPlTU1BH9Es+8p52p id7Ii1BVtEX3+t5S/hJBerJEGH4kddidEcNwOolcVj8knnBy2zMojnr0bZ2lgkjs gOF4yaoC/nfa5pmiThHzZ03fOl5g4chBKotLq257Gn3FQBAOXjeNJVvLoqzLeWyg Vo9o6XpXlCZTNoUvOMuhN4SHEfnX8yMtSyUxT5Raz7anRaJbv/MkQasWqEmyBPA= =fOq1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536dedd8.1000...@walnut.gen.nz
policykit and systemd
Hi, there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd). I don't know, is it really needed? I don't want to switch to systemd yet. There was a lot of opinions (include me), that systemd is change on defaults only, but now it seems that these opinions was wrong and more and more things get depends on it and they will not work (or minimally not install) without systemd. But policykit is useful and sometime it provides way to authenticate for some jobs for me. Or i am wrong? Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug or it is really needed? I mean the change from Depends to Suggests or Recommends... regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: policykit and systemd
On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Hi, there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd). What it really needs is a working logind, therefore the dependency. I don't know, is it really needed? I don't want to switch to systemd yet. There was a lot of opinions (include me), that systemd is change on defaults only, but now it seems that these opinions was wrong and more and more things get depends on it and they will not work (or minimally not install) without systemd. But policykit is useful and sometime it provides way to authenticate for some jobs for me. Or i am wrong? Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug or it is really needed? The dependency is needed, but you can still install systemd-shim rather than systemd-sysv and continue to boot with sysvinit. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87a9aqhrcr@turtle.gmx.de
Re: policykit and systemd
Hi, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 12:15:32 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug or it is really needed? The dependency is needed, but you can still install systemd-shim rather than systemd-sysv and continue to boot with sysvinit. Thanks, but please, can you be more verbose? I totally ignored systemd until now... I ask more verbosity because now it seems as this: iuA policykit-1 piA libpam-systemd piA systemd E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is not installed yet of course)... regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
Hi, On 05/10/2014 10:54 AM, Slavko wrote: Hi, in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. testing is the key word, if you would use sid, you probably would wonder even more :) If there would be no updates in testing that would mean that Debian is dead. There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?! A lot of stuff in Debian came from Ubuntu and much more Linux stuff is developed by RedHat and other companies. Also a lot of Debian developers are also Ubuntu developers and vice versa. But this question involves some another: * Is this a direction, where Debian is coming in near future? * Need i escape from Debian, as i ran away from Ubuntu? I would suggest in this case LFS, no bloody packaging, unless you build your own package manager. Best, Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e0bc4.3010...@biotec.tu-dresden.de
Re: policykit and systemd
Le 10/05/2014 12:15, Sven Joachim a écrit : On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Hi, there was a lot of discussions about systemd. I don't want to start another one, but latest pilicykit update in testing gets policykit depends on systemd (via libpam-systemd). What it really needs is a working logind, therefore the dependency. So let's stop lying to ourselves : systemd iis not the default, systemd, logind, binary logs etc become de facto compulsory. SWe get a debian windows, no Unix anymore. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e0e52.4060...@rail.eu.org
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? I encounter with this some years ago, when i was uisng Ubuntu as LTSP server, where i get 18 (by word eighteen) kernel updates in one year, and most of them involves some problem - not big problems, but all was needed to solve. Then i switch to Debian due more stability (IMHO, by more precise work of Debian maintainers). Ah. Your objective seems to be some Ubuntu bashing. Now it seems, that the Debian is Ubuntized. The work is going quick Confirmed - this continues the theme. (and then not very good). As example, there is a CUPS package. It changes (taken from changelog) more times by month, see some latest: 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200 02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200 10 Apr 2014 22:05:22 +0200 09 Apr 2014 21:04:57 +0200 01 Apr 2014 08:00:00 +0200 31 Mar 2014 10:00:00 +0200 20 Mar 2014 22:00:41 +0100 18 Mar 2014 19:34:44 +0100 12 Mar 2014 12:03:14 +0100 27 Feb 2014 16:14:55 +0100 25 Feb 2014 12:06:47 +0100 18 Feb 2014 15:44:18 +0100 04 Feb 2014 15:31:13 +0100 20 Jan 2014 23:06:36 +0100 14 Jan 2014 10:03:37 +0100 09 Jan 2014 16:54:26 +0100 04 Jan 2014 15:46:02 +0100 03 Jan 2014 18:42:39 +0100 Up to 2/3 years ago cups was unmaintained. Now its present maintainer, Didier Ramboud, assiduously devotes his own time to it and the printing stack - and you complain. This must be a first in the history of Debian. And here are latest two entries from changelog (except the german manpage update - and i removed maintaner names): You removed the names of people who have put in so much hard work to provide us with a printing system? Don't you think they deserve recognition? [Changelogs snipped] There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems? It's called co-operation. You know, the sort of thing which advances free software. There is an interplay between Debian, the Linux Foundation (Till Kamppeter), Red Hat, Suse and Apple when it comes to having a quality printing experience. Then i ask, what is in the subject. Are Debian repos still Debian's repos or there are quick Ubuntu's developers migrating into Debian with they chaotic job and using Debian for own (Ubuntu) purposes? But this question involves some another: [Snipped: A variety of questions arising from flawed premises.] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510120056.gu17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted
Hi guys, I got error when executing iodined at my vps: $ sudo iodined -f -P test1 192.168.0.1 localhost iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted: Operation not permitted so i check -. iodine version: iodine IP over DNS tunneling server version: 0.5.1 from 2009-03-21 -. uname 2.6.32-042stab068.8 #1 SMP Fri Dec 7 17:06:14 MSK 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux -. ls -l /dev/net/tun rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 200 May 5 00:24 /dev/net/tun how can i resolve this problem? thanks in advance. regards, marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cad9kj0p8xefjdyuihcy6jpw8-qobsthplpj0gt9g+ypq43b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: policykit and systemd
On Sat, 10 May 2014 13:02:17 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: iuA policykit-1 piA libpam-systemd piA systemd E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is not installed yet of course)... regards Policykit used to depend on consolekit to keep track of the user sessions, but consolekit is not maintained anymore and that functionality has been moved into systemd-logind. This is similar to how dbus has been part of systemd for a long time now. This is not related to systemd being used as the init system or not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510135246.5ce79e69@mycroft
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? No, i am surprised, that the CUPS (and some others) package provides updates too often, e.g.: 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200 02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200 As one can see, it is two day between them. Both updates are Ubuntu related, it involves me, that the quick Ubuntu's work is changing/replacing the careful self-testing by the maintainers... BTW, i maintain some packages in Debian... -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: policykit and systemd
On 2014-05-10 13:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 12:15:32 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-05-10 11:16 +0200, Slavko wrote: Please, is the (in)direct dependency of the policykit on the systemd bug or it is really needed? The dependency is needed, but you can still install systemd-shim rather than systemd-sysv and continue to boot with sysvinit. Thanks, but please, can you be more verbose? I totally ignored systemd until now... Merely installing systemd does not do much to your system, only booting with it might do. See /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian. Installing systemd-sysv replaces the sysvinit binaries, most notably /sbin/init. I ask more verbosity because now it seems as this: iuA policykit-1 piA libpam-systemd piA systemd E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is not installed yet of course)... Yes, sorry. The version of libpam-systemd in unstable depends on systemd-sysv | systemd-shim, but it has not reached testing yet. This new dependency has caused quite a lot of heat on debian-devel. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8738ghj0mu@turtle.gmx.de
Re: policykit and systemd
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:52:46 +0200 filip fi...@fbvnet.be napísal: On Sat, 10 May 2014 13:02:17 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: iuA policykit-1 piA libpam-systemd piA systemd E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is not installed yet of course)... Policykit used to depend on consolekit to keep track of the user sessions, but consolekit is not maintained anymore and that functionality has been moved into systemd-logind. This is similar to how dbus has been part of systemd for a long time now. This is not related to systemd being used as the init system or not. Thanks! This was what i want to know now :) regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted
On 5/10/2014 7:03 AM, Morning Star wrote: I got error when executing iodined at my vps: $ sudo iodined -f -P test1 192.168.0.1 localhost iodined: open_tun: /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted: Operation not permitted You'll need to talk with your host. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e2438.5020...@mrqueue.com
Re: Network Manager doesn't pick up network.
On 5/9/2014 21:44, Ed Jabbour wrote: On Friday, May 09, 2014 12:47:45 PM staticsafe wrote: On 5/9/2014 11:28, Ed Jabbour wrote: Running stable, kde and network-manager-gnome. The modem/router provides two wireless network options - one 2.4 GHz, the other 5. However, net/mgr only picks up the 2.4 - the 5 doesn't show at all. I thought maybe the 5 signal wasn't strong enough, so I moved the laptop right next to the modem, but still no 5. I have an old machine - a late 2008 Macbook, so I thought maybe it was a hardware problem. I booted into OSX and it recognized the 5 network and happily established a wireless connection. Ethernet gives me the 5GHz connection. I'm at wit's end here. Any advice, pointers, etc. greatly appreciated. Hello, Can you give us the network card model Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) and the output of lsmod? All of it? Surely not. What might be relevant: b43 309381 0 bcma 19756 1 b43 mac80211 192806 1 b43 cfg80211 137243 2 mac80211,b43 rng_core 12652 1 b43 ssb44714 1 b43 mmc_core 68400 2 ssb,b43 pcmcia 32734 2 ssb,b43 According to this page: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 5GHz for N-PHY cards is not supported under the b43 driver. -- staticsafe https://asininetech.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e28ea.1030...@staticsafe.ca
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 14:26:04 +0200, Slavko wrote: Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? No, i am surprised, that the CUPS (and some others) package provides updates too often, e.g.: 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200 02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200 As one can see, it is two day between them. Both updates are Ubuntu related, it involves me, that the quick Ubuntu's work is changing/replacing the careful self-testing by the maintainers... quick doesn't imply sloppiness. I hope you read the bug reports contained in the changelogs you quoted. From LP: #1315766: OdyX, sorry, bug was caused by sync with Ubuntu. I am updating the version numbers in Breaks:/Replaces: now. Please issue 1.7.2-3 after that, so it auto-syncs into Ubuntu. ** Changed in: cups (Ubuntu) Assignee: Didier Raboud (odyx) = Till Kamppeter (till-kamppeter) Looks like someone cocked up; then responded rapidly to a bug report on May 3; followed by an equally rapid upload of a new version of cups. Surely you should be saying This is awesome. This is part of what I want Debian to be. Change to another OS? - Not me! Forgo this level of co-operation and diligence? - No, bring on more of the same. BTW, i maintain some packages in Debian... Thank you. I imagine you are as much concerned with quality as the Debian Printing Team. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510133520.gv17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: policykit and systemd
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 14:09:45 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-05-10 13:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: E.g. policykit is updated and libpam-systemd and systemd installed as dependencies. There is not installation of the systemd-sysv (it is not installed yet of course)... Yes, sorry. The version of libpam-systemd in unstable depends on systemd-sysv | systemd-shim, but it has not reached testing yet. This new dependency has caused quite a lot of heat on debian-devel. No problem, it will be actually after some days :) thanks! BTW is there a smile for laugh and tears at once? (joke) regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: How to use Debian ISOs as package sources in apt?
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:28:03 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 10/05/14 07:36, A Debian User wrote: Also, how do you make sure that apt checks that the packages on the DVDs are current, and retrieves the packages from the online mirrors, instead, if the aren't. I don't. Apt/dpkg magic does that for me. Nothing special there. If you installed from DVD/CDs to begin with they'll be in sources.list (added by apt-cdrom). In which case when you normally upgrade/dist-upgrade or If an online mirror was set up during the install the CD entries get commented out by d-i. just install a package - apt/dpkg will use the most recent version of the package, based on your preferences. If the most recent package version is the same as the one on your original installation DVD you'll be asked to insert that disk - saving you downloads and time. The uncommented CD entries need to be first in sources.list for this to happen. I want to be able to safely use both the online mirrors and the DVDs in the same sources.list file without having to worry that I may be installing outdated software (I have a slow Internet connection, so getting the big packages from the DVDs might help). As descibed by Scott Ferguson you will always get the most recent version for stable and stable security updates with online mirror and CD lines in sources.list; wheezy-backports and wheezy-updates need special treatment when used as a source for downloading. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510133619.gw17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
Slavko grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 10 May 2014 13:00:56 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 10:54:21 +0200, Slavko wrote: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. You are surprised that Debian developers are readying testing for the coming freeze by updating software and fixing bugs? No, i am surprised, that the CUPS (and some others) package provides updates too often, e.g.: Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has updates, but not as often. Testing is just that - *testing*. You're going to get more updates there, especially as they start getting ready to freeze the next release. It doesn't matter that a prior version of testing didn't have lots of updates as you see it. It was open to them if they had bug fixes, etc., to deal with. This version clearly does. You're never going to find a version of any operating system that doesn't have a string of updates over its supported lifespan. Linux is no exception. Yes, Debian has a reputation for being more stable with less updates than other distros. But that claim only applies to the *stable* version of the release. The testing version is subject to as many updates as they feel like throwing at it until it freezes to be readied as the next version release. I for one welcome those updates which come to Stable, since they fix bugs security issues that are frankly more important to fix than to ignore on a production server. I wouldn't want them at the rate that the testing version gets, so I don't run Testing - I run Stable. ;-) --Dave smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
David Guntner writes: Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has updates, but not as often. You can also just not install every update. There is no reason to obsessively track Testing. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/878uq9vd0d@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
John Hasler grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner writes: Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has updates, but not as often. You can also just not install every update. There is no reason to obsessively track Testing. That works, too. :D smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
Slavko: in last weeks (or months?) i see a lot of daily updates in Debian testing. I am using the testing for years and i am surprised by this. The amount of updates that testing receives depends greatly on the current phase of the release cycle. I don't know whether there are hard numbers on this, but I would assume you can see the most activity shortly after a release and before a freeze. Jessie is about to freeze early November, which is not too far away for Debian's standards. I encounter with this some years ago, when i was uisng Ubuntu as LTSP server, where i get 18 (by word eighteen) kernel updates in one year, and most of them involves some problem - not big problems, but all was needed to solve. Then i switch to Debian due more stability (IMHO, by more precise work of Debian maintainers). The most precise work is available in Debian stable. Now it seems, that the Debian is Ubuntized. The work is going quick (and then not very good). As example, there is a CUPS package. It changes (taken from changelog) more times by month, see some latest: 04 May 2014 12:18:32 +0200 02 May 2014 15:54:20 +0200 -- snip The number of changelog entries is not necessarily directly related to the number of updates you see in testing. Either way I have no idea why you complain about someone working on their packages. As anyone can see, there was 18 updates during cca 4 months! So what? There are three changes: 2 times Ubuntu, 4 time Ubuntu bugs fixed (and one Debian). Really are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems?! Debian developers might be interested which is, in the end, a plus for users of both Debian and Ubuntu. Then i ask, what is in the subject. Are Debian repos still Debian's repos or there are quick Ubuntu's developers migrating into Debian with they chaotic job and using Debian for own (Ubuntu) purposes? Debian is upstream for Ubuntu and other distributions. It generall helps both sides if Debian incorporates fixes from other distributions, even if it isn't directly affected by them. Keeping the number of differences between packages of the same software small is a win for everyone. But this question involves some another: * Is this a direction, where Debian is coming in near future? Is Debian trying to co-operate with other distributions and keeping everyone's workload low? -I hope so. * Need i escape from Debian, as i ran away from Ubuntu? Absolutely, if you do not want to have anything to do with anybody who is directly or indirectly involved with Ubuntu. * How are Debian users interested in Ubuntu problems? See above. * Is the Canonical managing the Debian too? No. * Is Debian still involved in stability, where for years was Debian = quality and stability, or it becomes only testing platform for Canonical business? Debian is still fully committed to stability for stable. Testing has always been and will always be in flux. Technical quality for bot testing and unstable is still very high, in my opinion. I run sid on my laptop and while I install tons of updates on a daily basis, I don't have any trouble with them. * Who, why and when decided this? * Am i only one, who is frustrated by this? I think you are drawing conclusions from misunderstandings and confusion. The number of updates is not a useful measure for code quality. The nummber of mentions of other distributions in a changelog is not a useful measure for political influence of this distribution on Debian. Do you actually have problems with one or more packages? -If so, please report them and be glad that testing receives so many updates because that means somebody cares for the software you use and probably also fixes bugs. Debian as a whole is almost impossible to manage. Its strength and weakness at the same time is that every Debian Developer can do what she or he wants. Even if Mark Shuttleworth wanted to manage Debian, he couldn't. Debian cannot be bought. I guess if this was possible, Shuttleworth would have done that instead of starting Ubuntu. Please note that I don't like Ubuntu very much either. I think they made decisions that hinder interoperability and the advance of Free Software. But the same probably applies to RedHat. They just don't receive so much flak for some reason. J. -- In the west we kill people like chickens. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Avoiding systemd
After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until things have had quite a while to shake out. Is it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which? Package: systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 Package: systemd-sysv Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 Package: libpam-systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. -- johnrchamp...@wowway.com GPG key 1024D/99421A63 2005-01-05 EE51 79E9 F244 D734 A012 1CEC 7813 9FE9 9942 1A63 gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 99421A63 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Avoiding system d
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. You're not looking for flames? You're kidding, aren't you? Your technical question is wrapped up in flame-baiting. And you also post to -devel and -user. Getting the audience and attention looks like a prime aim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/10052014193615.5f8bd6799...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Avoiding systemd
Greetings John, El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John johnrchamp...@wowway.com escribió: After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until things have had quite a while to shake out. Is it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which? Package: systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 The systemd package includes a ton of software, including what I think is four daemons that are necessary for a modern Linux desktop (timedated, hostnamed, localed, and (most importantly) logind). You will need to install this package usually. Package: systemd-sysv Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 This is probably the only thing you are going to need if you want to make sure you do not run systemd as pid 1. (Unless your friend changes your grub command line :). If you have systemd-shim installed, then this pin should never have to take effect, but if somebody decides that systemd-shim is not a suitable replacement for systemd-sysv with regards to their package's needs, then the update of that person's package will be held back until you manually intervene. Package: libpam-systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 I think this is a dependency of poke it polkit. I am not sure why, but I assume there is good reason for it. Anyway, you are probably going to need it. If you have systemd-shim installed, then libpam-systemd will do fine w/o systemd as PID 1. Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. I hope I was able to help. Please do not assume bad faith by the systemd maintainers + proponents, though; that is toxic. Best regards, -- Cameron Norman
Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote: A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with invoke-rc.d update-rc.d on Debian. I've never understood why, but invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are meant for maintainer scripts not users. Know playing with several distributions, some use service, sysctl, systemctl, and some of them are mentionned for managing services in Debian. service is a wrapper around invoke-rc.d. There's an RFE for it to include a wrapper around update-rc.d enable|disable but I haven't checked its status for a while. service can also handle, in Debian 8, native systemd services. sysctl isn't a service manager. systemctl is systemd's service manager but it handles sysvinit init scripts when they don't have a systemd equivalent, AFAIK by handing over to update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sx2cwbwdhobvmzl+lvwnzqw-pshup27bbhs4yopu+o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote: On Wheezy, you can use: invoke-rc.d service action service service action /etc/init.d/service action invoke-rc.d is meant for maintainer scripts and not users (don't ask me why). /etc/init.d/service action doesn't sanitize the environment. But Jessy will use systemd - systemctl. service is a wrapper for systemctl in Debian 8. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sxwpfeyceish5mrytj2uxligh69ubxyt76n5k-tfpy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Is Debian still Debian?
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:01 PM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: David Guntner writes: Again, as someone else pointed out: The key word here is TESTING. You want less updates? Go with the current stable release. That has updates, but not as often. You can also just not install every update. There is no reason to obsessively track Testing. That's rather selfish. If you're using testing, you should update it regularly in order to help Debian shake out bugs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sygzej_ey8fn_27zp9m-f96t_za4+j5nzuab8h-ue3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy
On 2014-05-10 22:40 +0200, Tom H wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote: A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with invoke-rc.d update-rc.d on Debian. I've never understood why, but invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are meant for maintainer scripts not users. This is true for invoke-rc.d, but not for update-rc.d. It is perfectly fine for the sysadmin to call update-rc.d disable|enable foo, but not update-rc.d remove foo. Know playing with several distributions, some use service, sysctl, systemctl, and some of them are mentionned for managing services in Debian. service is a wrapper around invoke-rc.d. Really? If I take a look at /sbin/service, it does not call invoke-rc.d. systemctl is systemd's service manager but it handles sysvinit init scripts when they don't have a systemd equivalent, AFAIK by handing over to update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d. It's the other way around, invoke-rc.d calls systemctl for various actions if it detects that systemd is PID 1. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87d2flgx2c@turtle.gmx.de
Re: hdparm -t yields incorrect timings when Intel hyperthreading is enabled
On Fri, 09 May 2014, Paul Ausbeck wrote: I've actually done dummy file reads and writes previously. Well actually just writes. And they go at full speed, no matter what hparm says. For example, your example, works at full speed: dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=10M count=100 ; You have to call sync, otherwise you've measured the time to write to the buffer-cache... That said, try this: strace -o /tmp/strace.txt -ttt -T hdparm -t (rest of hdparm command). And check if the timings of the syscalls traced give you any insight on where things are going wrong. Compare HT enabled with HT disabled. but I wasn't able to find a way to purge the disk cache before I got sidetracked. Perhaps you know of a magic incantation for that? Yes. You can drop all caches if you issue, as root: sync ; echo 1 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches According to https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt drop_caches --- Writing to this will cause the kernel to drop clean caches, as well as reclaimable slab objects like dentries and inodes. Once dropped, their memory becomes free. To free pagecache: echo 1 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches To free reclaimable slab objects (includes dentries and inodes): echo 2 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches To free slab objects and pagecache: echo 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches This is a non-destructive operation and will not free any dirty objects. To increase the number of objects freed by this operation, the user may run `sync' prior to writing to /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches. This will minimize the number of dirty objects on the system and create more candidates to be dropped. This file is not a means to control the growth of the various kernel caches (inodes, dentries, pagecache, etc...) These objects are automatically reclaimed by the kernel when memory is needed elsewhere on the system. Use of this file can cause performance problems. Since it discards cached objects, it may cost a significant amount of I/O and CPU to recreate the dropped objects, especially if they were under heavy use. Because of this, use outside of a testing or debugging environment is not recommended. You may see informational messages in your kernel log when this file is used: cat (1234): drop_caches: 3 These are informational only. They do not mean that anything is wrong with your system. To disable them, echo 4 (bit 3) into drop_caches. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140510214707.ga21...@khazad-dum.debian.net
How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
Hi, I just used # apt-get install systemd-sysv on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date). It has been my habit to use # touch /forcefsck to force a file system check at reboot once per week on each system and to keep track of the results by copying the contents of /var/log/fsck/checkroot into a sort of diary I keep on system maintenance. In various logs on these systems I see an indication that touch /forcefsck doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding fsck.mode=force to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to run at boot time. However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process when using systemd. This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical machines. Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system check on the boot drive when using systemd? If there's something about this in the man pages, I'm certainly not finding it. Thanks for any pointers you can provide. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e9ed8.5050...@comcast.net
Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
Jape, It sounds like the fsck is being conducted while the initramfs is loaded and thus no log is being saved. Ideally, there would be a way to have the console dumped to dmesg. Brandon Vincent On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I just used # apt-get install systemd-sysv on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date). It has been my habit to use # touch /forcefsck to force a file system check at reboot once per week on each system and to keep track of the results by copying the contents of /var/log/fsck/checkroot into a sort of diary I keep on system maintenance. In various logs on these systems I see an indication that touch /forcefsck doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding fsck.mode=force to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to run at boot time. However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process when using systemd. This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical machines. Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system check on the boot drive when using systemd? If there's something about this in the man pages, I'm certainly not finding it. Thanks for any pointers you can provide. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536e9ed8.5050...@comcast.net
Anyone encountered the same Mount failed error when installing Debian 7.5 with dmraid=true on RAID1 server?
Dear all, I'm a newbie in using Debian, my first task (and a good chance to learn using debian) is to setup an email server with the following hardware: Intel S1200btlr board (Intel C204 chipset) with a Xeon E3-1230v2 CPU on it 2*1T disks, form a RAID1 by intel embeded server raid technology II (firmware raid) I followed the following debian wiki document to install debian with a dmraid=true parameter while choosing 64 bit install in the debian installer startup menu: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid It goes well except that at the end installing Grub failed, so I followed the document to reinstall grub by using 64-bit rescue mode with a dmraid=true parameter, but when the rescue process asked me to mount the root filesystem, I got the error: Mount failed an error occurred while mounting the device you entered for your root file system does anyone encountered the same error? or does anyone have the experience installing debian 7 on a raid1 server with dmraid=true parameter? I hope someone can help me solve this error, thank you!
Re: Avoiding systemd
Hi John, On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:05:25PM -0400, John wrote: After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until things have had quite a while to shake out. Is it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which? snip Package: systemd-sysv Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 This one. The systemd package contains other dbus services that you don't want to try to exclude from a desktop system; and libpam-systemd provides necessary integration with policykit on those same systems. Hope that helps, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
Hi, I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will handle all the dependencies needed? regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJx5YvEh6u7J-o7sYyb6e-KLMqpL1da=b82t0b9akz0hath...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
On 05/10/2014 06:32 PM, Brandon Vincent wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I just used # apt-get install systemd-sysv on several Debian testing systems (fully up-to-date). It has been my habit to use # touch /forcefsck to force a file system check at reboot once per week on each system and to keep track of the results by copying the contents of /var/log/fsck/checkroot into a sort of diary I keep on system maintenance. In various logs on these systems I see an indication that touch /forcefsck doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding fsck.mode=force to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to run at boot time. However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process when using systemd. This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical machines. Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system check on the boot drive when using systemd? If there's something about this in the man pages, I'm certainly not finding it. Thanks for any pointers you can provide. Jape, It sounds like the fsck is being conducted while the initramfs is loaded and thus no log is being saved. Ideally, there would be a way to have the console dumped to dmesg. Brandon Vincent Hi, Brandon. I hope you'll excuse me for moving your response to the bottom and then replying to it there. I think this list prefers bottom posting or, better yet, interleaved posting. Thank you for your response. Yes, I think you're right, though I wasn't bright enough to go in that direction on my own -- perhaps because the previous system startup method accomplished the file system check and then wrote the results after the disk was mounted. Or maybe I'm taking too much for granted in assuming how it accomplished that. I wonder if there's some reason why systemd-sysv couldn't do the same thing? This looks like an oversight to me, but maybe it's deliberate. I suppose I could boot these systems with a live disc of some type, and then perform a file system check on the systems' primary disks. That would be a bit of trouble to go through on the systems that sit in front of me, and not really practical at all on the remote systems. I'll mull it over and see if I can figure it out. Again, thank you for your insight. Jape -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536ec324.7000...@comcast.net
Re: Avoiding system d
On 11/05/14 04:47, Brian wrote: On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. A couple of quotes from your mail: I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. You're not looking for flames? You're kidding, aren't you? Your technical question is wrapped up in flame-baiting. Technical issue? Rude and domineering attitude sounds personal - like someone's eye has been offended and they're trying to spin an offense from imagination. Oh wait are you being sarcastic? Rude and domineering attitude. Sounds bad. Please spam me with more unwanted lessons in hypocritical fascism. And you also post to -devel and -user. Getting the audience and attention looks like a prime aim. If 98% oppose fascism the fascist supposes they have a 2% mandate for civil war *and* proof of a conspiracy. Take this list for instance - the vast majority of posts are *not* attacking systemd, yet the we-want-thumbs anti-systemd mob (both of them) ignore the fact that the vast majority *do not care*. Confirmation bias is the cornerstone of their campaign. It's not spam, rude, or bullying, to continually *demand* the majority be ruled by the minority when you have righteous indignation on your side - and in this instance the end does justify the means. Just making a better world Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536ecb0f.20...@gmail.com
Confusion
Hi all, Thanks for your responses - even from those who can't resist the opportunity for rudeness. (I do NOT use microsoft windows in any form,) I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45 years as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical writer, I still find a lot of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old and lazy and think GUI is a gift from heaven. So would you, if you'd started out punching ten words of machine code onto paper tape in order to start up a mainframe system - long before there was any form of visual display. Like Joel, I have many dark corners of stupid in my brain - and they may be multiplying. I have used GNU Linux for years - trying out several distros, all by downloading the Iso file and writing to CD. Ubuntu, Slackware, Puppy, and Gnewsense all install just fine after simply right-clicking on the file and selecting write to CD. No clever stuff with the terminal - just point and click. But this time it just doesn't work. For those who didn't notice, I downloaded the file twice, making two CD's from the first download and one from the second - just in case anything was corrupted. All the CD's can be opened and their contents displayed - and all files in readable form can be read. I would happily stay with Gnewsense but since I recently installed the latest version, I can't get a couple of much used applications that worked perfectly with the previous version to run. So I thought I'd try Debian instead, using exactly the same process, on the same machine, that I used to successfully install Gnewsense. This is not rocket science. It's not an abstruse technical problem - it must be plain old dumbass misunderstanding by me. Doesn't anyone have a simple answer? Josh
free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used
Hi, DebianInstaller shows FREE SPACE before the first partition and after the last partition if GPT scheme is used: http://i.imgur.com/qjNrdAx.jpg While there is nothing wrong with that as there is indeed some free space before the first partition and after the last partition(http://i.imgur.com/4BlDQx7.jpg), such information is not displayed if I choose the MBR partitioning scheme(http://i.imgur.com/x4Ycl9q.jpg) while actually modern MBR editors(for example newer fdisk versions) should start the first partition also from sector 2048. 1) Am I correct that technically DebianInstaller should display the FREE SPACE area before the first partition also in case the MBR partition scheme is chosen? 2) Am I correct that boot loaders use their code on this area after the primary GPT and before the first partition? 3) Are the last 689 sectors after the last partition used for storing the backup GPT? regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJx5YvFh7TM49ukbhp46cpWq2hbqAbtg-pax_YjkWZF9nvS_=a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Confusion
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 06:03:35PM -0700, Joshua Anthony wrote: I have used GNU Linux for years - trying out several distros, all by downloading the Iso file and writing to CD. Ubuntu, Slackware, Puppy, and Gnewsense all install just fine after simply right-clicking on the file and selecting write to CD. No clever stuff with the terminal - just point and click. But this time it just doesn't work. For those who didn't notice, I downloaded the file twice, making two CD's from the first download and one from the second - just in case anything was corrupted. All the CD's can be opened and their contents displayed - and all files in readable form can be read. I would happily stay with Gnewsense but since I recently installed the latest version, I can't get a couple of much used applications that worked perfectly with the previous version to run. So I thought I'd try Debian instead, using exactly the same process, on the same machine, that I used to successfully install Gnewsense. This is not rocket science. It's not an abstruse technical problem - it must be plain old dumbass misunderstanding by me. Doesn't anyone have a simple answer? What is the question? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511021426.GA26387@tal
Re: Confusion
On Sat, 10 May 2014 18:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Anthony sent: Doesn't anyone have a simple answer? Josh I will give it a go. Download the netinstall .iso file for the Debian version you want. Check the authenticity of the .iso file with md5sum Then, using whatever application you use to burn CD's: Make it burn image to CD and select the netinstall.iso in the directory you have downloaded it to. Make certain your BIOS will allow you to boot from a CD, leave the CD in the optic drive and reboot the computer. Then read the instructions and do as you feel. You say you know Linux stuff. Do an expert install and once you have everything done and GRUB installed and it has configured itself. Remove the CD, reboot your computer and install the packages you want. Hope that helps. A little different, bit of work before this, if you want a dual boot system. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** If you argue for your limitations, you get to keep them. ..Richard Bach *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511154630.62622830@taogypsy.wildlife