Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 02:22:52 Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:37:18 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. So, um, don't use this image, or something? The real debian installer lives here anyway: That install media installs a special RTAI patched 2.6.32 kernel, patched to do close to microsecond accurate realtime control over lathes and milling machines and other such machining centers with as many as 9 axis's to control. Even stopping some of these machines in the event of an error can take several milliseconds, but must be done as quickly as possible, it might be a human getting chewed up. One over in Cincinnati even gets recorded on the uni's seizmograph when it does an emergency stop. The work table itself is 26 feet long and weighs IIRC 44,000 lbs. Heap big fellow IOW. My stuff is hobby sized less than 250 lbs, but the principles are the same. Precise control if you want the work to be done precisely. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current /images/ I'll get that when the new drives arrive. Besides, nobody forbids you to create a separate filesystem for /home after the install. I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. This also I think assumes the use of a LABEL=wheezyhome or some such non-confusing name. While blkid's are generally good too, I have actually had the ID string change by having a new drive already in service that was running on crutches, and a firmware update to fix the drive foobared its blkid. That makes me a bit wary of using the blkid's to mount stuff. Reco Thanks Reco. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504030316.15821.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
Hi. On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 03:16:15 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 02:22:52 Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:37:18 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. So, um, don't use this image, or something? The real debian installer lives here anyway: That install media installs a special RTAI patched 2.6.32 kernel, patched to do close to microsecond accurate realtime control over lathes and milling machines and other such machining centers with as many as 9 axis's to control. Even stopping some of these machines in the event of an error can take several milliseconds, but must be done as quickly as possible, it might be a human getting chewed up. One over in Cincinnati even gets recorded on the uni's seizmograph when it does an emergency stop. The work table itself is 26 feet long and weighs IIRC 44,000 lbs. Heap big fellow IOW. My stuff is hobby sized less than 250 lbs, but the principles are the same. Precise control if you want the work to be done precisely. Don't blame Debian installer then. I suspect those RTAI guys didn't stop at replacing kernel ;) http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current /images/ I'll get that when the new drives arrive. Besides, nobody forbids you to create a separate filesystem for /home after the install. I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. More-or-less yes. You forgot to mention emptying old home, but all needed stuff is there. This also I think assumes the use of a LABEL=wheezyhome or some such non-confusing name. That's one way of doing this. You can also use UUID, plain-old device names (/dev/sdb1, or something), or /dev/disk/by-id if you want to be on the safe side. While blkid's are generally good too, I have actually had the ID string change by having a new drive already in service that was running on crutches, and a firmware update to fix the drive foobared its blkid. That makes me a bit wary of using the blkid's to mount stuff. Yup, UUIDs are clunky :) Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403104711.8674a5dec254c6fa27dc1...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 08:47:11 Reco wrote: I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. More-or-less yes. You forgot to mention emptying old home, but all needed stuff is there. I would say *instead of*, not *on top of*. And copying over is easy, when your new home is mounted via fstab. mkdir /oldhome mnt oldhome /oldhome cp -Rpu /oldhome/. /home/ Though you could, of course, do it in the other order, mounting oldhome as /home. But it would still be easy. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031001.43728.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: zfs, autofs dependencies
On 01.04.2015 17:55, Reco wrote:
No, the problem is related to the Debian indeed. As ZFS is used as an
LVM here, so you might as well replace those fancy/dev/zvol/* with
something conventional, and the problem will still remain.
Consider the following /etc/fstab.
/dev/sda1 /backup ext4 noauto,nofail,user_xattr 0 2
/dev/sda2 /backup/network ext4 noauto,nofail,user_xattr 0 2
/dev/sda3 /backup/op ext4 noauto,nofail,user_xattr 0 2
How do you can use /etc/fstab to specify a mount order? Without
resorting to the shell scripts, of course.
You are right. ZFS here acts only as an LVM to create those devices. But
zfs-mount reads the content of /etc/fstab and if find's any device
within /dev/zvol/ it does for it a simple mount command.
The zfs-mount contains this script to mount:
read_fstab() {
for fs in ${!FSTAB[@]} ; do unset FSTAB[$fs] ; done
while read -r fs mntpnt fstype opts blah ; do
fs=`printf '%b\n' $fs`
FSTAB[$fs]=$mntpnt
done (grep -E $1 /etc/fstab)
}
do_mount()
{
if [ -n $POOL_IMPORTED ]; then
[ $VERBOSE_MOUNT == 'yes' ] verbose=v
[ $DO_OVERLAY_MOUNTS == 'yes' ] overlay=O
$log_begin_msg Mounting ZFS filesystems not yet mounted
$ZFS mount -a$verbose$overlay $MOUNT_EXTRA_OPTIONS
RET=$?
if [ $RET != 0 ] ; then
$log_end_msg $RET
exit $RET
fi
$log_end_msg 0
read_mtab ^/dev/(zd|zvol)
read_fstab ^/dev/(zd|zvol)
$log_begin_msg Mounting volumes registered in fstab:
for volume in ${!FSTAB[@]} ; do
if in_mtab $volume ; then continue ; fi
$log_progress_msg $volume
mount $volume
done
$log_end_msg 0
fi
}
start()
{
checksystem {
case $ZFS_MOUNT in
([Oo][Ff][Ff]|[Nn][Oo]|'')
exit 3
;;
esac
do_import
do_mount
do_mount
touch $LOCKDIR/$servicename
}
}
As it can be seen, mount of devices are done in the order which they are
described in /etc/fstab. Maybe the next mount command is started before
previous mount command finished and fully mounted /backup?
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Re: OT: bashfråga (igen)
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:52:09 +0200
Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-04-01 11:59 GMT+02:00 j...@lillahusetiskogen.se:
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 01:47:34 +0200
Jo, jag menade modifieringstiden... Och när jag skapar arkivet.
Scripten finns i bifogad fil, svnbackup.txt.
crontab kör det första scriptet svnback.sh
svnback.sh kör svndo.sh två gånger
svndo skapar run.sh som sköter arkiveringen
I scriptet svndo.sh
find $SVN/$1 -newer OLDDATE -exec touch CHANGED {} \;
Ovanstående rad kommer att exekvera touch med alla filer som är nyare
än filen OLDDATE som argument. Det är därför dina timestamps blir
uppdaterade då touch uppdaterar atime, ctime och mtime. Det kan räcka
om du tar bort {}, som ersätts med aktuellt filnamn.
Om du inte redan testat dem kan jag rekommendera obnam eller
rdiff-backup för backuper.
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Per
Tack så mycket!
Problemet löst tack vara debianlistan. Vad gjorde jag utan den?
mvh
/Janne
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Re: debian 8
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpOueuOsLrxP.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: debian 8
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:44:56 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? Oh, and, will Debian 8 be able to run software (such as printer drivers) that run on Debian 6? People have been running binaries that were compiled _decades_ ago on modern kernels, so as long as there are no library problems, that should be fine. You can download a recent snapshot of Jessie, install it in a VM and check. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpYp96XQJKws.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: re-set time/date
Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 03:02:08AM -0700, Racla Grillyz wrote: Hi, during installation (of Wheezy) I picked the wrong time zone respect to my own. So: where does that information live in the system? How can I set it to a new one? Short version is - run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' as root. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403100934.gb10...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: re-set time/date
On 03/04/15 12:02, Racla Grillyz wrote: Hi, during installation (of Wheezy) I picked the wrong time zone respect to my own. So: where does that information live in the system? How can I set it to a new one? Thanks dpkg-reconfigure tzdata -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551e6705.8020...@vanderhoff.org
Re: debian 8
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:08:29 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:49:30AM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. No idea, the top of the page says: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8 I'm sorry I didn't see the link, I simply went to debian.org and searched for jessie gnome classic, which returned this: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=jessie+gnome+classic The top link there says, again: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8, so I expected that to be what I wanted. Mea culpa. Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. Um, wheezy has GNOME 3.4. It's squeeze which had GNOME 2.30. Apparently this info is outdated. I don't use Gnome, so I wouldn't know :) As the top of the page said Debian 8, I didn't inspect the link any closer. Again, my bad. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpl0XcbMhy2T.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: re-set time/date
Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:24:42PM +0200, Racla Grillyz wrote: Thanks, it worked like a charme. Just want to point out that I checked on the official debian manual/reference from the official website, and I did not find such an information. Every time you upgrade tzdata - apt tells you to run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' if you don't like the time after the upgrade. So, there's hardly a need to document this trivial thing on a site. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403103033.gd10...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: Installation Jessie en UEFI
As tu tout simplement vérifier l'ordre de boot dans le BIOS ? Chez moi c'est à ce niveau que Debian est en premier choix et je tombe direct sur le Grub avec Debian par défaut et W8 en 3ème choix. - Mail original - De: andre debian andre_deb...@numericable.fr À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Envoyé: Jeudi 2 Avril 2015 18:57:17 Objet: Re: Installation Jessie en UEFI On Thursday 02 April 2015 00:57:40 Pascal Hambourg wrote: UEFI + BIOS. UEFI et BIOS sont des modes d'amorçage. MBR (ou MSDOS) et GPT sont des formats de table de partition. De quelles solutions parles-tu ? En ce qui me concerne je n'ai fait aucune bidouille pour installer Debian en UEFI sur un disque au format MBR. De toute façon ça n'a pas grand intérêt, autant utiliser GPT quand c'est possible, y compris avec un BIOS (donc quand il n'y a pas de Windows). En fait ce n'est pas très compliqué. Avant, pendant ou après l'installation, il faut créer une partition de type système EFI et la formater en FAT32 si elle n'existe pas déjà (créée lors de l'installation de Windows), qui doit être montée sur /boot/efi. Après l'installation, il faut installer grub-efi-amd64 (qui va remplacer grub-pc) qui va installer le le chargeur UEFI de GRUB dans /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi. Par contre il ne pourra pas être enregistré dans l'UEFI qui n'est pas actif puis le système a été amorcé en mode BIOS. Une solution consiste à copier en tant que chargeur/shell UEFI par défaut /boot/efi/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi (en ayant renommé l'original installé par Windows au besoin) et de sélectionner ce chargeur dans le menu de démarrage du firmware. Une fois Debian démarré en UEFI, on peut réexécuter grub-install pour l'enregistrer. Pour ma part j'ai fait un peu plus compliqué car j'ai voulu conserver les fichiers installés par grub-pc dans /boot/grub pour disposer d'un double amorçage UEFI+BIOS. J'arrive à booter Debian (en parallèle de W8), UEFI, j'ai bien le menu Grub, mais... via appui sur les touches ALT-F9. (si je ne fais rien, W8 démarre illico). À cette étape, j'ai un premier menu (non Grub) : UEFI = Windows UEFI = Debian. UEFI = Fichiers UEFI Je choisis Debian et c'est là que le menu Grub apparait. Mon souhait serait de l'avoir dès le boot, sans la première étape. C'est pas si grave, mais serait plus confortable d'avoir l'accès direct à Grub. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504021857.17671.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: debian 8
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:37:15PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: Oh I see. Consider this link then: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Especially chapter 2.2.2, which talks about GNOME 3.14. Funny thing is - chapter 2.2.2 does not mention GNOME Classic at all. Presumably because GNOME Classic was axed in GNOME 3.6 (or 3.8, or 3.10 - the memory fails me here). I see. I found another link[1], but that only mentions that Gnome in Jessie requires 3D drivers, which I would interpret as no Classic. Well, they promised that GNOME would rely on so called 'llvm pipe' to get 3D even if normal 3D is not accessible, but … 'llvm pipe' seems to be working on amd64 (maybe i386) only, so all other archtectures have XFCE by default. From the personal experience - said 'llvm pipe' just segfaults if amd64 jessie is running in qemu-kvm. Some llvm bug, I presume. Or qemu one. Not that it really matters to me. Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. Um, wheezy has GNOME 3.4. It's squeeze which had GNOME 2.30. Apparently this info is outdated. I don't use Gnome, so I wouldn't know :) As the top of the page said Debian 8, I didn't inspect the link any closer. Hey, *I* stopped using GNOME back then Debian stable was called etch. Maybe this will get more people to switch to something like Xfce or just a plain WM :) No. Never underestimate the power of default installation. If default installation gives one GNOME - one will stick to the GNOME. Unless, of course, user knows exactly what is needed. In that case I fail to see the need of using GNOME in the first place :) But you don't need software to be installed to check its version because they give you apt-cache. And if you don't like apt-cache - they give you aptitude :) Not on the machine I'm on right now - it runs Slackware :) I guess there's no problem in running apt-cache here, but I can't really see a good reason for doing so :) It will be moved to Jessie pretty soon, though, just haven't found the time yet. Unless Slackware stops giving you chroot(1) - you can run both Slackware and Debian at the same time. The reason to do so (short of building debs the way it's intended) is escaping from me too. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403105715.ge10...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: debian 8
On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8nd+_66fs664o2it9hbxoa7fk9sct1xgz1by5a7eb_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:43:31AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: Is mnt an alias to 'mv'? Or 'mount -o bind'? Or something else? No, mnt is mnt $ man mnt I've tried it before writing my last e-mail. And, there's a reason I asked. That reason is: $ man mnt No manual entry for mnt Moreover, [1] finds only /usr/lib/noweb/mnt as the only canditate to that executable. And chances are - you talk about a *different* mnt. So, no arguing here, mnt is *definitely* mnt. But *what* is that mnt of yours? [1] https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contentskeywords=mntmode=pathsuite=stablearch=any Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403110945.gf10...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: Xorg -configure fails with created screens does not match number of detected devices
On 02-04-2015 20:06, Floris wrote: Op Thu, 02 Apr 2015 12:32:48 +0200 schreef venkat venka...@vortexindia.co.in: Looks good. The right driver is used. Add a Screen and Monitor selection to the Xorg.conf Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device gma500_gfx Monitor Monitor0 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelName Monitor Model EndSection The system boots but when GDM starts i just see a blank screen.. Switch back to tty1, kill gdm and start the X server with startx Yes i tried that and i get an error: no screens found [21.958] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so [21.959] (II) Module modesetting: vendor=X.Org Foundation [21.959] compiled for 1.12.1.902, module version = 0.3.0 [21.959] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [21.959] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0 [21.959] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [21.959] (++) using VT number 8 [21.967] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [21.967] (II) UnloadModule: modesetting [21.967] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. [21.967] Fatal server error: [21.967] no screens found [21.967] Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. There are a lot of trial and error stories about the gma500 module. An other possible solution. add Option IgnoreACPI yes to the device section of your xorg.conf https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533450 Success, floris Tried various options today and finally modified xorg.conf with below settings made my X server start with multiple displays enabled. Section Device Identifier Intel GMA3600 Driver modesetting BusID PCI: 0: 2: 0 Option Monitor-DVI-0 DVI screen Option Monitor-VGA-0 VGA screen EndSection Section Monitor Identifier DVI screen EndSection Section Monitor Identifier VGA screen EndSection However, i notice that the display is not smooth. Even, when i traverse to from one menu to other i see it so shaky. Right now fighting to fix that. Need some guidance -- Regards Venkat.S
CORRECTION Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 10:01:43 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 08:47:11 Reco wrote: I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. More-or-less yes. You forgot to mention emptying old home, but all needed stuff is there. I would say *instead of*, not *on top of*. And copying over is easy, when your new home is mounted via fstab. mkdir /oldhome mnt oldhome /oldhome SHOULD BE: mount oldhome /oldhome My thanks to Reco for drawing this to my attention. Lisi cp -Rpu /oldhome/. /home/ Though you could, of course, do it in the other order, mounting oldhome as /home. But it would still be easy. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031227.16963.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 10:01:43AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 08:47:11 Reco wrote: I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. More-or-less yes. You forgot to mention emptying old home, but all needed stuff is there. I would say *instead of*, not *on top of*. And copying over is easy, when your new home is mounted via fstab. Clarification needed (see below): mkdir /oldhome mnt oldhome /oldhome Is mnt an alias to 'mv'? Or 'mount -o bind'? Or something else? cp -Rpu /oldhome/. /home/ Though you could, of course, do it in the other order, mounting oldhome as /home. But it would still be easy. I see at least one (minor) complication in such approach, and that is the user who uses such home right now. I mean, copying files that are being written to right now is kind of … unpredictable as far as results are concerned. But doing it correct way would probably require using LVM (snapshots), and LVM is one of those things that are either used from the start, or not used at all. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403093547.ga6...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: debian 8
On 03/04/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? Oh, and, will Debian 8 be able to run software (such as printer drivers) that run on Debian 6? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8onbbsbwasxaph3md7nqwt9ua+brb-pe88t3bfht3p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian 8
What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? no problems about differences (but I hate systemd). I've many (and many and many) productions server (with compilated inside source and other harden and tips). Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551e6462.5070...@fuckaround.org
re-set time/date
Hi, during installation (of Wheezy) I picked the wrong time zone respect to my own. So: where does that information live in the system? How can I set it to a new one? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403100207.GA3324@debian
Re: re-set time/date
Thanks, it worked like a charme. Just want to point out that I checked on the official debian manual/reference from the official website, and I did not find such an information. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403102442.GA3687@debian
Re: debian 8
Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:17:37PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:08:29 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:49:30AM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. No idea, the top of the page says: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8 I'm sorry I didn't see the link, I simply went to debian.org and searched for jessie gnome classic, which returned this: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=jessie+gnome+classic The top link there says, again: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8, so I expected that to be what I wanted. Mea culpa. Oh I see. Consider this link then: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Especially chapter 2.2.2, which talks about GNOME 3.14. Funny thing is - chapter 2.2.2 does not mention GNOME Classic at all. Presumably because GNOME Classic was axed in GNOME 3.6 (or 3.8, or 3.10 - the memory fails me here). Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. Um, wheezy has GNOME 3.4. It's squeeze which had GNOME 2.30. Apparently this info is outdated. I don't use Gnome, so I wouldn't know :) As the top of the page said Debian 8, I didn't inspect the link any closer. Hey, *I* stopped using GNOME back then Debian stable was called etch. But you don't need software to be installed to check its version because they give you apt-cache. And if you don't like apt-cache - they give you aptitude :) Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403102823.gc10...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 10:35:49 Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 10:01:43AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 08:47:11 Reco wrote: I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. More-or-less yes. You forgot to mention emptying old home, but all needed stuff is there. I would say *instead of*, not *on top of*. And copying over is easy, when your new home is mounted via fstab. Clarification needed (see below): No, it isn't. mkdir /oldhome mnt oldhome /oldhome Is mnt an alias to 'mv'? Or 'mount -o bind'? Or something else? No, mnt is mnt $ man mnt cp -Rpu /oldhome/. /home/ Though you could, of course, do it in the other order, mounting oldhome as /home. But it would still be easy. I see at least one (minor) complication in such approach, and that is the user who uses such home right now. I mean, copying files that are being written to right now is kind of … unpredictable as far as results are concerned. For goodness sake! Of course you don't use your /home while you are copying it. As far as possible, anyway. There may be all sorts of theoretical problems, but this works. I have done it. Of course, if you are really worried you can use a live CD to do the copying. But doing it correct way would probably require using LVM (snapshots), and LVM is one of those things that are either used from the start, or not used at all. That is not what we were discussing. Read the thread. The idea is simply to add a separate /home after installation. There may be flaws in my approach, and I may indeed have forgotten something. But these aren't they. You are just trying to complicate something simple. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031143.31995.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 12:09:47 Reco wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:43:31AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: Is mnt an alias to 'mv'? Or 'mount -o bind'? Or something else? No, mnt is mnt $ man mnt I've tried it before writing my last e-mail. And, there's a reason I asked. That reason is: $ man mnt No manual entry for mnt Ah! I stand corrected. Moreover, [1] finds only /usr/lib/noweb/mnt as the only canditate to that executable. And chances are - you talk about a *different* mnt. So, no arguing here, mnt is *definitely* mnt. But *what* is that mnt of yours? You are right and I am wrong. I meant, of course, mount. And man mount. And all the rest of it. But no aliases. Just a senior moment. Or two. Sorry. So substitute mount for mnt in what I said: mount oldhome /oldhome Lisi Lisi [1] https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contentskeywords=mntmode=path suite=stablearch=any Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031224.37567.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
Hi. On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:37:18 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. So, um, don't use this image, or something? The real debian installer lives here anyway: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ Besides, nobody forbids you to create a separate filesystem for /home after the install. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403092252.dcc435948dbf0e93f519d...@gmail.com
debian 8
I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. Someone known if will be a LTS of debian 7? Thanks! Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551e507e.90...@fuckaround.org
Re: debian 8
On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 17:44:56 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: Oh, and, will Debian 8 be able to run software (such as printer drivers) that run on Debian 6? Definitely. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/03042015131459.7db70616b...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: re-set time/date
On 03/04/15 12:24, Racla Grillyz wrote: Thanks, it worked like a charme. Just want to point out that I checked on the official debian manual/reference from the official website, and I did not find such an information. You didn't try very hard, did you? This list is not intended as a replacement for google! LMGTFU: http://bit.ly/1NGl5FG -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551e8572.2020...@vanderhoff.org
Re: re-set time/date
On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 03:02 -0700, Racla Grillyz wrote: Hi, during installation (of Wheezy) I picked the wrong time zone respect to my own. So: where does that information live in the system? How can I set it to a new one? You can reset it from the Date Time Settings in the graphic,it will need your root password! It's simple! mudongliang Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/blu436-smtp216c712a3b78be174884d9ebc...@phx.gbl
Re: free cloud
On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 14:24:04 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: [...] Then you could set up something like OwnCloud... So, not being nearly as deep in the roll my own solution as some people around here ... I've learned something now too :) Now I just need to get a less bad box as a server (have a franken-server here that's really just a desktop PC) so I can play with my new-found toys ... and maybe get my fiancee off my case about not enough storage space for any more movies... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mfm2jg$a66$5...@ger.gmane.org
Re: free cloud
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:55:12 + (UTC) Dan Purgert d...@djph.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 14:24:04 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: [...] Then you could set up something like OwnCloud... So, not being nearly as deep in the roll my own solution as some people around here ... I've learned something now too :) That is a good thing! :) OwnCloud is actually really nice. In addition to sharing files, it can do calendars, contact management, and there are a ton of other apps for it. Not to mention that since it is open source it works really well with Linux clients. Good stuff. I haven't yet put it on the VPS, but I intend to, so I can access it when I'm not at home. From what I know, they have a fairly good security record throughout the time I've been aware of it, and it's a big-name project, so there are lots of eyes on the code. Now I just need to get a less bad box as a server (have a franken-server here that's really just a desktop PC) so I can play with my new-found toys ... and maybe get my fiancee off my case about not enough storage space for any more movies... Well, the main server I have at home would also best be described as a (maybe mutant) franken-server, and it works just fine. OwnCloud doesn't require much in terms of hardware, although extra disk space for all that you want to store there is nice. Buy an extra disk and start playing :) Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpkMQmJbYu_f.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: free cloud
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 22:17:02 +0200, Pol Hallen wrote: Hey all :-) I looking for a free cloud with almost rsync server-side (or other good services to automatically sync data) no http/s transfer. What's the best online (and free or chip cost) service? thanks! Pol Probably not the best -- but I've had good results with the free Dropbox service for like forever. There's also Google Drive. Granted, I don't trust EITHER of these services farther than I can throw them, but they're good for semi-private things that won't hurt me in any way shape or form if they get out (e.g. our DD party's banked gold assets) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mflv4q$a66$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 03:47:11 Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 03:16:15 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 02:22:52 Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:37:18 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. So, um, don't use this image, or something? The real debian installer lives here anyway: That install media installs a special RTAI patched 2.6.32 kernel, patched to do close to microsecond accurate realtime control over lathes and milling machines and other such machining centers with as many as 9 axis's to control. Even stopping some of these machines in the event of an error can take several milliseconds, but must be done as quickly as possible, it might be a human getting chewed up. One over in Cincinnati even gets recorded on the uni's seizmograph when it does an emergency stop. The work table itself is 26 feet long and weighs IIRC 44,000 lbs. Heap big fellow IOW. My stuff is hobby sized less than 250 lbs, but the principles are the same. Precise control if you want the work to be done precisely. Don't blame Debian installer then. I suspect those RTAI guys didn't stop at replacing kernel ;) Not that they'll admit to. The RTAI guys only publish the patch, its difficult to apply get configured right, and when they do get one that works, its pinned. The LCNC guys are the ones doing the patching, and if Paola M. even knows were using his patches, we are just a murmer in the background. They've made quite a few attempts to make RTAI patches and PAE play well but PAE hasn't worked yet, it still sees and uses only 3G of the 8G in this machine. With all the stuff running here that is not running on one of the real machines out in the shop, its doomed to need a swapoff, swapon cycle a couple times a day. The atom based machines with 2G in them, have no such problems. They can run from power failure to power failure, very stable. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/cur rent /images/ I'll get that when the new drives arrive. Besides, nobody forbids you to create a separate filesystem for /home after the install. I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. More-or-less yes. You forgot to mention emptying old home, but all needed stuff is there. This also I think assumes the use of a LABEL=wheezyhome or some such non-confusing name. That's one way of doing this. You can also use UUID, plain-old device names (/dev/sdb1, or something), or /dev/disk/by-id if you want to be on the safe side. Device names are out on this machine as 3 of its drives are in a hot swap cage. The device name stays with the slot. So its best I just search the rack for the LABEL= when mounting stuff. But you mentioned cleaning out /home when mounting another partition over it, but I'd need a tutorial on how to do that since the .home dir, once the 2nd drive is mounted oin top of it, isn't accessible. FWIW, I've large boatload of stuff in /opt that I'd like to treat the same way. Same problem with /opt. But I figure I'd do that too as it sure would save days of copying stuff when upodateing an install. There is one other problem when putting in and running new kernels, true of any distro. Wheezy's X is so old that the improvements in the new kernels nouveau driver are not recognized by X, ditto pulse/alsa, that if I boot a 3.16.7 kernel, also installed here, the video and audio performance goes straight in the crapper. 1/4 second of each, half second frozen for the audio, may go frozen video for 20 seconds, then play catchup at 5000fps. A 30 second geico commercial in front of the news story takes 2+ minutes of wall time to play. I am on the X list, but questions about what I would have to pull in and build to get that compatibility back are totally ignored. So I haven't tried. Staying with an older kernel, of an age that somewhat matches the X seems to be the best alternative. Hence the 3.2.0-4amd64 currently running.
Re: debian 8
On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 17:41:44 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? Would gnome-session-flashback suit you? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/03042015131259.46f1a1180...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: free cloud
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 11:56:10 + (UTC) Dan Purgert d...@djph.net wrote: On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 22:17:02 +0200, Pol Hallen wrote: Hey all :-) I looking for a free cloud with almost rsync server-side (or other good services to automatically sync data) no http/s transfer. What's the best online (and free or chip cost) service? thanks! Pol Probably not the best -- but I've had good results with the free Dropbox service for like forever. There's also Google Drive. I'd like to second that. Dropbox has worked well for me with Linux. When I originally registered, I had some good luck as they were doing a couple of campaigns around that time that got me quite a bit of free space. The Linux client is pretty basic (and binary-only, I think), but it does everything I need. I mainly use it to store a few encrypted files, and to put things there so I can send others a link that will let them download it. Granted, I don't trust EITHER of these services farther than I can throw them, but they're good for semi-private things that won't hurt me in any way shape or form if they get out (e.g. our DD party's banked gold assets) I agree with that, which is why most of what I put there is encrypted, and not really that important in the first place. If you are willing to spend a little bit of money, there are plenty of cheap VPS providers. Personally, I use DigitalOcean[1], and I have been quite satisfied with them. Good service, and they're quick to respond. I think I pay $10/month, and for that I get a VPS with 1G RAM, 30G SSD storage, and 2TB transfer. For $5/month you get 512M RAM, 20G SSD and 1TB transfer. It's probably cheaper if you pay by the year, but I haven't bothered with that. You can also choose where in the world you want your VPS, they have several locations. They provide images of all the major distributions plus FreeBSD, I think. Then you could set up something like OwnCloud[2], or just use basic *nix tools like scp to transfer your data. OwnCloud can also sync with other services like Dropbox and Google Drive. I'm sure there are many other providers like this out there, but this one is pretty cheap, and it was a big deal for me that they provide locations around the world, so I don't have to transfer my data all the way to/from the US. Although this might read like an advertisement, I have no other connection to them other than being a satisfied customer. YMMV. Caveat emptor. Batteries not included. :) Petter [1] https://www.digitalocean.com/ [2] https://owncloud.org/ -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpL8UmKxmuo6.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Thu 02 Apr 2015 at 20:37:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. It needs to be spoken to softly and caressed into submission. No one doubts your experience but everyone wonders how you have managed to turn a happy and co-operative installer into a martinet. Regardless of the mechinations I have tried, it plain and simply loops back to the partition drive screen if you do not just let it do what it wants to do, which is two real partitions, one for /, and one for swap at 2x the memory it finds in the machine. ANYTHING else you try to do and it loops back to restart the drive partitioning again. I even tried to prepartition the drive with other tools, but none of those settups Been there; done that. A text install with manual partitioning. /home and / on separate partitions were formatted and the install carried on to a successful conclusion. were recognized by the installers partitioner. This hybrid install iso, can also function when written to a usb key, but this now elderly Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe mobo's latest #1701 bios cannot be booted from usb. The installer manual has a paragraph or two on installing from a USB stick in such circumstances. It's not the only way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403122856.gg22...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 05:01:43 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 08:47:11 Reco wrote: I assume only by mounting a new drive at some temporary location, copying all the installed data from /home to it, then fixing fstab to mount that drive on top of the existing /home directory? I have done that in the past, but not in the last half decade as drives are outrageously big now. More-or-less yes. You forgot to mention emptying old home, but all needed stuff is there. I would say *instead of*, not *on top of*. And copying over is easy, when your new home is mounted via fstab. mkdir /oldhome mnt oldhome /oldhome cp -Rpu /oldhome/. /home/ Though you could, of course, do it in the other order, mounting oldhome as /home. But it would still be easy. Lisi When I get to that point, I may bug you for details. ;-) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504030909.37970.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: re-set time/date
Nothing is missing. But we all miss things at some time or the other. :) 9.4.5. System and hardware time My fault :) Bye -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403150906.GA6314@debian
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 10:52:06 David Wright wrote: Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. Regardless of the mechinations I have tried, it plain and simply loops back to the partition drive screen if you do not just let it do what it wants to do, which is two real partitions, one for /, and one for swap at 2x the memory it finds in the machine. ANYTHING else you try to do and it loops back to restart the drive partitioning again. I even tried to prepartition the drive with other tools, but none of those settups were recognized by the installers partitioner. This hybrid install iso, can also function when written to a usb key, but this now elderly Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe mobo's latest #1701 bios cannot be booted from usb. WHAT? Are you telling us that the Broken Installer that was the subject of long discussions from 20th January to 9th February, the installer that you've been badmouthing on the slightest provocation ever since, is *not* the Debian installer? I knew it would degenerate to this. Back then I asked for howto's, got and printed several, all of which failed to produce the desired results, I assume because steps done were not all recorded. Not a different installer to my knowledge, the actions and end results match regardless. Since an installer isn't exactly a trivial thing, I would fully expect that since it uses wheezy repo's, the installer itself is also wheezy's. Other than the identical results obtained I can't prove it as neither iso has a normal file system, its all squashfs, and only the installer knows how to unpack it. I don't build squashfs support into any of the kernels I have built. Adequate disk space is far cheaper than the time wasted unpacking everytime I wanted to launch a browser/session of openoffice/whathaveyou. So please David, don't defend what I call a broken installer by saying it can be done, instead write the tutorial telling us how it can be done to do it the way we want it done. So prove it by making the howto public knowledge. Anything else is a waste of server bandwitdh. I want a separate /home PARTITION, and a separate /opt PARTITION. And I cannot understand why that is not possible with this installer. So prove me wrong, I'll be waiting right here, with apologies loaded. Cheers, David. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031131.02633.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: Instalando Debian en mi laptop
Hola Christian. El 3 de abril de 2015, 0:55, Christian Poveda christianpov...@gmail.com escribió: Saludos! Siempre he sido un entusiasta de Debian y lo utilicé durante un amplio periodo de tiempo, sin embargo hace un par de años dejé de usarlo dado que no pude hacerlo funcionar correctamente en mi laptop. Sin embargo quisiera intentarlo de nuevo y quisiera saber si ustedes podrian colaborarme con ello. Actualmente tengo un Dell Inspiron 5437 y quisiera saber si es posible hacer funcionar debian correctamente para poder usarlo en mi dia a dia. Les mando un lspci de mi laptop Tal vez te ayuden estos enlaces. http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html Aunque en ese enlace no aparece tu modelo específico, tal vez consigas otro modelo Dell que contenga hardware similar al tuyo que te pueda guiar en la instalación. Específicamente con respecto a la tarjeta de red, revisa lo siguiente: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k Espero que te sean de utilidad. 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller (rev 09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 09) 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series USB xHCI HC (rev 04) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series HECI #0 (rev 04) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series HD Audio Controller (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev e4) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev e4) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev e4) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 5 (rev e4) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series USB EHCI #1 (rev 04) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 8 Series LPC Controller (rev 04) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 8 Series SMBus Controller (rev 04) 06:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 08) 08:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 750M] (rev a1) Estoy especialmente preocupado por la tarjeta de red inalambrica dado que hace poco intenté instalar debian y no conseguí hacerla funcionar. Saludos Gracias por su ayuda! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caeq7n8mn6e6kp4kcpcjmcwgyscoufawhfrfrx9svmbm5sk...@mail.gmail.com -- Juan Lavieri Errar es de humanos, pero es mas humano culpar a los demás.
Re: LVM/btrfs - Was: Re: firefox-37, where to put
Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 04:31:22PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: Resizing just works, as long as you don't forget the correct order for changing the filesystem and the volume. I.e. 1) Enlarge - volume first, filesystem last. 2) Reduce - filesystem first, volume last. I expect the combination of ext4 and LVM is so common that ext4 would be a good choice of filesystem if I ever get the need to resize? The *best* choice IMO. Others may tell you wonders about jfs2 or xfs, but for me ext4 (or its older predecessor) is the only filesystem that managed to survive several unplanned power outages in a row. Without damaging anything, which counts. The alternative to LVM would be btrfs, which would give me RAID1 and snapshots, plus subvolumes. I am familiar with mdadm, but I am *not* familiar with LVM or btrfs in any way. I'd stay clear of brtfs if I were you until jessie+1 (I forget whatever its called) enters freeze. Then you install backported kernel and *maybe* btrfs would be so kind and would not eat your data. That was what I was afraid of. Wait for the several years - btrfs will be OK. Ext4 didn't became a no-brainer choice immediately after it was implemented. There were bugs, complications even controverisies. But once (2.6.22 IIRC) the dust had settle - ext4 became the way to go, just as ext3 before it. What would the experts here recommend? I've been searching for a while now, but I haven't found anything recent that applies to both LVM and btrfs. I know btrfs is a moving target, is it stable enough to use for both it's RAID functionality and the rest? Or would I be better off with mdadm and LVM? Which is better to work with? You have mdadm. Add LVM on top of it. Make sure you have an non-LVM EFI partition in case of using UEFI (does not apply to BIOS). Don't forget to add busybox into initrd just in case. Enjoy. No EFI, just BIOS. Old machine. :) From what I understand, is it recommended to create a separate /boot that is not on LVM, or is that no longer the case? If you prefer using lilo or grub1 - such partition is mandatory. If you're using grub2 - such partition is merely a custom. Grub2 can boot the system from an LVM. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403145100.gk10...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: firefox-37, where to put
Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. Regardless of the mechinations I have tried, it plain and simply loops back to the partition drive screen if you do not just let it do what it wants to do, which is two real partitions, one for /, and one for swap at 2x the memory it finds in the machine. ANYTHING else you try to do and it loops back to restart the drive partitioning again. I even tried to prepartition the drive with other tools, but none of those settups were recognized by the installers partitioner. This hybrid install iso, can also function when written to a usb key, but this now elderly Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe mobo's latest #1701 bios cannot be booted from usb. WHAT? Are you telling us that the Broken Installer that was the subject of long discussions from 20th January to 9th February, the installer that you've been badmouthing on the slightest provocation ever since, is *not* the Debian installer? Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403145206.gc5...@alum.home
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 10:23:58 Brian wrote: [...] Here we go again... Why bother? The ISO from LinuxCNC installs within 15 minutes and will provide separate / and /home partitions and a swap partition of any chosen size. That's when done properly, of course. Compare that with the convolutions which are being planned and the time they will occupy. If its so darned easy, write us up a tutorial on how to do it properly, text mode so we can print it and follow along to make sure we don't wind up in partitioner hell when there is no network access to ask questions, where I have been about 10 times while trying to install the hybride.iso from that site. Ditto for my orginial attempts to install wheezy from the Debian site before I installed the hybride.iso. IIRC I made 3 tries with it, never did get it past the partitioner with anything more than / and swap defined. Yeah, thats my gauntlet laying there, pick it up and answer the challenge. Keystroke by keystroke starting with a powerup with the install disk in the optical drive. Or, go fix the installer, I don't care which, but empty brags like this do nothing to alleviate the headache that the broken installer with its inability to recognize any partition but / forces on us. I have personally tried evey disk partitioner tool we have trying to make a disk this POS installer would accept. So we fight with it, 2, 3 hours or more, and finally give up and let it use its defaults, getting a / and a swap. Go ahead Brian, I'll wait right here while you do that. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031101.05849.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: debian 8
Check this page, they say that squeeze LTS was a real success, and they will consider doing an LTS for wheezy. But it's handle by another community and they need some help. So may be you can give a hand to see a wheezy LTS someday ;) thanks for help! Maybe a day I will able to help developers :-) Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551e5e33.9020...@fuckaround.org
Re: debian 8
Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:49:30AM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. Um, wheezy has GNOME 3.4. It's squeeze which had GNOME 2.30. Apparently this info is outdated. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403100826.ga10...@d1696.int.rdtex.ru
Re: Carte WIFI mt7630e
Bonjour Christophe , Le cas courant, le mien en tout cas, est celui d'une Carte/Chipset intégré dans un PC vendu dans le commerce. J'ai acheté en juillet 2014 un PC portable ASUS K551LN X0401H avec Windows 8 préinstallé. J' ai installé Wheezy en dual boot. L a carte Wifi fonctionnait bien sous W8. Sous Wheezy j'ai fini par la faire marcher après des essais laborieux d'installation d'un firmware/driver linux fourni par Mediatek avec beaucoup de mises en garde. En fait le driver fonctionnait mal, saturait la CPU et les logs et ne fonctionnait plus du tout lorsque je suis passé à Jessie. Je sais que dans l'idéal il faudrait acheter un PC en tenant compte de l'ouverture des drivers et de la compatibilité avec linux. Ce que je n'ai pas fait comme des dizaines d'utilisateurs d'Ubuntu qui ont ouvert une liste sur ce problème : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220146 . Il y a eu de très nombreux messages et plusieurs propositions d'amélioration du driver qui marchaient plus ou moins et qui avaient toutes le problème de saturation de la CPU. Pendant ce temps comme la plupart des utilisateurs de la liste, j'utilisais une clé Wifi en attendant des jours meilleurs. Avant-hier est arrivé sur la liste le projet de Jakub qui a apparemment réglé tous les problèmes. Il a encore fait une modif ce matin pour supprimer des messages sur les switches de channel qui encombrait encore trop syslog. Sa version du driver/firmware s'installe très simplement en quelques minutes. Maintenant ça semble vraiment efficace et ma carte d'origine fonctionne aussi bien que sous W8 (que j'utilise très peu sauf pour des tests de ce genre), voire plutôt mieux. J'ai pensé qu'il y avait d'autres malheureux acquéreurs de PC équipés de cette carte qui seraient intéressés. Jean - Mail original - De: Christophe t...@stuxnet.org À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Envoyé: Vendredi 3 Avril 2015 00:16:45 Objet: Re: Carte WIFI mt7630e Bonsoir, Le 02/04/2015 13:47, jber...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour à tous, Pour info. Un développeur polonais, Jakub Kicinski, a enfin mis au point le driver linux de la carte Wifi/BT mt7630e pour laquelle Mediatek fournissait depuis un an un driver linux qui ne marchait pas. https://github.com/kuba-moo/mt7630e L'info est bonne, mais la question que je me pose surtout : Dans quelles conditions doit on utiliser ce driver ? Carte/Chipset intégré dans un PC vendu dans le commerce ? ou carte additionnelle ? Pour ma part, cette marque est inconnue au bataillon ... Un peu plus d'infos ? @+ Christophe. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551dbfcd.3050...@stuxnet.org
Re: debian 8
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:28:25 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:17:37PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:08:29 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:49:30AM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. No idea, the top of the page says: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8 I'm sorry I didn't see the link, I simply went to debian.org and searched for jessie gnome classic, which returned this: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=jessie+gnome+classic The top link there says, again: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8, so I expected that to be what I wanted. Mea culpa. Oh I see. Consider this link then: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Especially chapter 2.2.2, which talks about GNOME 3.14. Funny thing is - chapter 2.2.2 does not mention GNOME Classic at all. Presumably because GNOME Classic was axed in GNOME 3.6 (or 3.8, or 3.10 - the memory fails me here). I see. I found another link[1], but that only mentions that Gnome in Jessie requires 3D drivers, which I would interpret as no Classic. Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. Um, wheezy has GNOME 3.4. It's squeeze which had GNOME 2.30. Apparently this info is outdated. I don't use Gnome, so I wouldn't know :) As the top of the page said Debian 8, I didn't inspect the link any closer. Hey, *I* stopped using GNOME back then Debian stable was called etch. Maybe this will get more people to switch to something like Xfce or just a plain WM :) But you don't need software to be installed to check its version because they give you apt-cache. And if you don't like apt-cache - they give you aptitude :) Not on the machine I'm on right now - it runs Slackware :) I guess there's no problem in running apt-cache here, but I can't really see a good reason for doing so :) It will be moved to Jessie pretty soon, though, just haven't found the time yet. Petter [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#gnome-3d -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgp4sQUnW5kuH.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 11:01:05 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Go ahead Brian, I'll wait right here while you do that. It is only the partitioning which is giving a problem. 1. Choose 'Manual' on the 'Partition disks' page. 2. Choose a disk and hightlight 'FREE SPACE'. Press the ENTER key. 3. Create a new partition. ENTER. Specify size. ENTER. Choose 'Logical'. ENTER. 'Beginning' ENTER. 4. Highlight 'Mount point:'. ENTER. Highlight '/home'. ENTER. Choose 'Done setting up the partition'. ENTER. 5 We are now back at the page in 2. Repeat 2, 3 and 4 but choose / as the mount point. 6. Repeat 2 and 3. At 4 highlight 'Use as:' and choose 'swap area'. Then 'Done setting up the partition'. 7. 'Finish partitioning and write changes to disk' is the final step in partitioning on this page. But before doing it carry out step 8. Then ENTER and agree to write the changes to disk on the next page. 8. Switch to tty2 with ALT-F2 and do cp /var/log/syslog /var/log/syslog-part1 /var/log/syslog If there is any failure at step 7 (or before) you should have a record in syslog which can be viewed with 'more /var/log/syslog'. syslog-part1 will contain information on disk detection. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403163247.gi22...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: firefox-37, where to put
Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): I knew it would degenerate to this. Back then I asked for howto's, got and printed several, all of which failed to produce the desired results, I assume because steps done were not all recorded. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00153.html So please David, don't defend what I call a broken installer by saying it can be done, instead write the tutorial telling us how it can be done to do it the way we want it done. So prove it by making the howto public knowledge. Anything else is a waste of server bandwitdh. I keep notes of what I do where it varies from what's considered standard and documented. I'm not going to waste my time merging those notes with the installation manual. I want a separate /home PARTITION, and a separate /opt PARTITION. And I cannot understand why that is not possible with this installer. So prove me wrong, I'll be waiting right here, with apologies loaded. I used to put /usr on a separate partition and /var, /tmp and /home shared another. Now only /home. Here's how I remembered what to do: $ ls -l pc/configure/out-of-date/installation-bo -rw-r- 1 david david 11264 Sep 18 1998 pc/configure/out-of-date/installation-bo $ head -59 pc/configure/out-of-date/installation-bo Installation of Debian 1.3 (bo) on 1199469 (kilt). Switched IDE from secondary to primary, releasing IRQ 15. Booted to CMOS and set to boot from floppy. Booted DOS from boot floppy, inserted EtherDisk and ran PNPDSABL. This runs 3C5X9CFG /PNPRST 3C5X9CFG CONFIGURE /PNP:DISABLED Then ran 3c5x9cfg again and made sure IRQ was 15. Booted to W95 and named the partitions so I delete the right one. Booted with Debian 1.3.0 rescue disk: 1997-05-30/resc1440.bin 4June 05:10 Color Kbd UK Old partition scheme /dev/sdb 73heads 63sectors 1020cylinders cyl sectors MB /dev/sdb1 Primary Win95 FAT32 (0B) 1020 4690980 2290.52 I don't know why the geometry changed when I deleted the partition. Partition disk /dev/sdb 74heads 62sectors 1022cylinders cyl sectors MB /dev/sdb1 Primary Linux swap (82) 54 247752 120.98 /dev/sdb2 Boot Primary Linux (83) 14 64232 31.37 /dev/sdb3 Primary Linux 268 1229584 600.39 /dev/sdb4 Primary Linux 686 3147368 1536.81 which was, when empty,1022 4688936 2289.52 Write, quit. Initialise and activate swap /dev/sdb1 Scan, sure (if this has to be repeated at any stage, then I don't scan) Initialise linux partition /dev/sdb2 Scan, sure, / Initialise linux partition /dev/sdb3 Scan, sure, /usr (creates /target/usr). Initialise linux partition /dev/sdb4 Scan, sure, /kilt (creates /target/kilt). Switched to console 2, pressed return and typed: mkdir /target/kilt/var mkdir /target/kilt/tmp mkdir /target/kilt/home cd /target ln -s kilt/var var ln -s kilt/tmp tmp ln -s kilt/home home ^D and back to 1. Install Operating System Kernel and Modules Verify Filesystem Choice /dev/sdb1 /, 3 /usr, 4 /kilt, all ext2 (rw): yes Medium for installation /dev/fd0 Insert rescue disk (already there). Insert drivers disk. Configure Device Driver Modules: $ ... and another 300 lines of what seems like drivel now but was stuff I thought I might forget at the time. Nowadays, only /home is separate. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403173553.gb10...@alum.home
Re: debian 8
On 04/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 01:10:21 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. No idea, the top of the page says: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8 I'm sorry I didn't see the link, I simply went to debian.org and searched for jessie gnome classic, which returned this: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=jessie+gnome+classic The top link there says, again: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8, so I expected that to be what I wanted. Mea culpa. Oh I see. Consider this link then: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Interestingly, that link does not resolve/open, in the version of Arora running on Debian 6, but, opens in the version of rekonq running on Debian 6. By Debian 6, here, I mean Debian 6 LTS. An expected thing these days. You see, today's common knowledge is that SSL3.0 is bad, TLS1.0 is bad and even TLS1.1 is bad. TLS1.2 and maybe HTTP/2 is the way to go. In particular, www.debian.org does not accept HTTPS connections *if* the browser is claiming that all it supports is SSL3.0. The same common knowledge is that the about the only reason to keep SSL3.0 support on site is to support dreaded *cough* Internet Explorer 6. Maybe 7. Hell, I'm not a webmaster to know these things in detail. Guess we know that there's real browser (Arora) to care about in addition to the toy one (IE). Try replacing https:// with http://. Really. Thank you. It worked. It should have occurred to me, to try something lke that. I guess the sharpness and brightness, have dulled for me, over the years (too many years). -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8PJtJj1sz2mbsj_=bHKA=p=d45psutabfiveeqbag5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian 8
On Sat 04 Apr 2015 at 01:26:35 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 03/04/2015, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 17:41:44 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? Would gnome-session-flashback suit you? I have no idea. Well, get one then. It is very easy to install Debian 8 on a hard disk or, as I might do, on a USB stick. None this new-fangled VM (or whatever it is called) nonsense. Whatever happened to the age of exploration? :) In searching for it, the web pages at https://packages.debian.org/es/jessie/gnome-session-flashback and https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomePanel do not include screenshots, so I do not know of its appearance or implied functionality. Get to know it: https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/GnomeFlashback?action=showredirect=GnomeFlashback In Debian 6, with its GNOME 2 interface, I have, at the bottom of the screen, a taskbar below the panel, with the three menu types (Applications, Places,System) at the left end of the panel, and the system monitor applet to the left of the date and time at the right end of the panel. I want to be able to reproduce that in Debian 7 and, Debian 8, if they have the functionality. You never know, You might have some luck with this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/03042015183435.88c7c2706...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On 04/03/2015 at 02:25 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 12:32:47 Brian wrote: 1. Choose 'Manual' on the 'Partition disks' page. 2. Choose a disk and hightlight 'FREE SPACE'. Press the ENTER key. 3. Create a new partition. ENTER. Specify size. ENTER. Choose 'Logical'. ENTER. 'Beginning' ENTER. 4. Highlight 'Mount point:'. ENTER. Highlight '/home'. ENTER. Choose 'Done setting up the partition'. ENTER. Humm, it just occured to me that I was defining a gig small change as /boot first, then /,then /home, then /opt, then the remainder as swap. No separate /var or /tmp? I thought it was best practice to keep those separate, so that logfiles and tmpfiles don't have the chance to fill up the root partition. Can I infer from this that all other partitions must be defined first and then the last defined partition s/b / and that is the only way it will work? That would put / on an extended partition, but IIRC I had that condition once before, several years back without any excitement. No, that is not required. I usually define / as the second or third out of 4-to-6 partitions, and it always works fine. I had always assumed that partitions s/b defined and reserved from the outside in. From the beginning of the disk, rather, which is presumably the outside but not necessarily. I generally define partitions in order from needs fastest access down, but that's a less relevant consideration nowadays than it used to be. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 13:26:32 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 17:41:05 Gene Heskett wrote: If that isn't broken, its a matter for you and me to argue about over a couple hand coolers, on me of course. :) No, it isn't broken. You have trouble with it. So you need help. I have no problem with that. But accept help. Answer questions. Or just irritate people. But what do you actually achieve by deliberately provoking them? Lisi Well, Brian just posted another step by step that may contain a clue as to what I was doing wrong. When the drives get here, and Jessie is sicced out the door in about 2.5 weeks, I will find out. Brian defined /home first, then /, and lastly swap, whereas I was defining /boot, /, /home, /opt and swap in that order. But I am not at all convinced that the first partition should not be /boot. If boot then winds up as a directory on /, and its 1.9 Tb into the drive from from cylinder 1, I'd have reservations about the bios's ability to find its boot files. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031449.46941.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Raspberry pi 2 + Lego Wedo + Scratch 1.4
Hola y gracias por leer esto. Descripción de mi entorno: . Raspberry pi 2 ( la nueva de 1 GB) . raspbian kernel version 3.18 . Dispositivo Lego Wedo . Scratch 1.4 He realizado apt-get update Y apt-get upgrade Por lo que supongo que tengo todo a la ultima (soy un poco nuevo) Si realizó un lsusb , me aparece : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0694:003 Lego Group Por lo que parece que detecta el usb de lego wedo Posible BUG: cuando abro scratch, no me detecta ni el motor ni los sensores de Lego Wedo. Que puedo hacer Muchas gracias Chema
Re: debian 8
Am 03.04.2015 um 19:09 schrieb Erwan David: Le 03/04/2015 11:58, Pol Hallen a écrit : What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? no problems about differences (but I hate systemd). I've many (and many and many) productions server (with compilated inside source and other harden and tips). Pol systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 8 What does this mean ? If we want stable, and no tech preview, no part of it is installed ? It means, that you were pointed at the wrong release notes. ppcel64 was not part of wheezy, but the document you linked to is for the wheezy release. For some obscure reason, that resulted in the wheezy release docs for ppcel64 being labelled as for Debian 8 instead of Debian7. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [HS] portable écran brillant
On 04/03/2015 06:50 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Sinon, je peux me rétracter et le renvoyer, mais à quelle condition...? (rue du commerce). Bonjour Comme pour tout achat en ligne en France, tu as un minimum légal de 7 jours pour renvoyer l'objet et te faire rembourser. Certains marchands proposent un délai plus long et même les frais de port pour le retour gratuits (un certain A** pour ne pas faire de pub). PS: Et bien moi, j'adore les écrans très brillants : couleurs qui claquent d'avantage, effet glacé du plus bel effet, des noirs plus profonds. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551ecab6.8030...@gmail.com
Re: debian 8
Hi. On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 01:10:21 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. No idea, the top of the page says: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8 I'm sorry I didn't see the link, I simply went to debian.org and searched for jessie gnome classic, which returned this: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=jessie+gnome+classic The top link there says, again: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8, so I expected that to be what I wanted. Mea culpa. Oh I see. Consider this link then: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Interestingly, that link does not resolve/open, in the version of Arora running on Debian 6, but, opens in the version of rekonq running on Debian 6. By Debian 6, here, I mean Debian 6 LTS. An expected thing these days. You see, today's common knowledge is that SSL3.0 is bad, TLS1.0 is bad and even TLS1.1 is bad. TLS1.2 and maybe HTTP/2 is the way to go. In particular, www.debian.org does not accept HTTPS connections *if* the browser is claiming that all it supports is SSL3.0. The same common knowledge is that the about the only reason to keep SSL3.0 support on site is to support dreaded *cough* Internet Explorer 6. Maybe 7. Hell, I'm not a webmaster to know these things in detail. Guess we know that there's real browser (Arora) to care about in addition to the toy one (IE). Try replacing https:// with http://. Really. If it does not help - download the page with wget or curl (last one is preferrable for this), and view it in a browser. It's a simple HTML anyway. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403202211.b1744fec715a3f0b77387...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 17:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote: The installer IS NOT BROKEN. And someone did give you step by step instructions, which you ignored. No, they were printed and followed to the letter, at least twice. Also ask you for step by step information on what you had done so that we could try to help. Which you ignored. Because I was following the instructions, I did not write down keystroke by keystroke. Youi could and should have kept notes on what didn't work and why to feed back. If my yelping incessantly about it has caused it to be improved, It won't have made any difference at all. All the yelping has done is annoy people. It has achieved nothing constructive. They have a proper report procedure for new installers. I'll give the obligatory 3 cheers and a tip of my 5 gallon hat. Even a 21 gun salute if the ammo shortage eases. And I thought that you said that you worried about your language because of the ladies present. What language, hell isn't a swear word, its a place. POS? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031830.29735.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 12:32:47 Brian wrote: On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 11:01:05 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Go ahead Brian, I'll wait right here while you do that. It is only the partitioning which is giving a problem. 1. Choose 'Manual' on the 'Partition disks' page. Check 2. Choose a disk and hightlight 'FREE SPACE'. Press the ENTER key. Check, unless the disk is used, then you need to use whole disk 3. Create a new partition. ENTER. Specify size. ENTER. Choose 'Logical'. ENTER. 'Beginning' ENTER. Check 4. Highlight 'Mount point:'. ENTER. Highlight '/home'. ENTER. Choose 'Done setting up the partition'. ENTER. Check,,, 5 We are now back at the page in 2. Repeat 2, 3 and 4 but choose / as the mount point. Check, for /opt 6. Repeat 2 and 3. At 4 highlight 'Use as:' and choose 'swap area'. Then 'Done setting up the partition'. Check, 17 gigabytes worth. 7. 'Finish partitioning and write changes to disk' is the final step in partitioning on this page. But before doing it carry out step 8. I wasn't doing that step 8. Then ENTER and agree to write the changes to disk on the next page. And this is where it looped back. 100% of the time, and apparently not writing to the disk the partition table so composed. So you highlight the disk by its sda designation and restart, never getting a successfuil step 7. 8. Switch to tty2 with ALT-F2 and do cp /var/log/syslog /var/log/syslog-part1 /var/log/syslog If there is any failure at step 7 (or before) you should have a record in syslog which can be viewed with 'more /var/log/syslog'. syslog-part1 will contain information on disk detection. Thank you Brian. This log I assume is readable from tty2? I don't recall it was available that early in the install previously, so I hadn't even tried. Printed FFR. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031352.02937.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Debian 7 and Debian 8 and bootloader
Hello. Do Debian 7 and Debian 8 (when it is to be released), and a bootloader such as GRUB, allow yet, for more than one version of Debian, to be installed on a system, and, to be selectable options for the bootloader? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8N1bw=1GmKs9HKGw=ycfnhunr3q5tgy5h9w9f8qp+j...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian 8
Quoting Michael Biebl (em...@michaelbiebl.de): Am 03.04.2015 um 19:16 schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 03.04.2015 um 19:09 schrieb Erwan David: systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 8 What does this mean ? If we want stable, and no tech preview, no part of it is installed ? It means, that you were pointed at the wrong release notes. ppcel64 was not part of wheezy, but the document you linked to is for the wheezy release. For some obscure reason, that resulted in the wheezy release docs for ppcel64 being labelled as for Debian 8 instead of Debian7. I thought that someone might have copied their old version, renamed it Debian8, started editing it into shape, and later uploaded without realising they hadn't finished the edit. If you want to read the real, draft jessie release notes, see https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ I then typed i386 over the amd64 to reveal another version that presumably needs checking over. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403175130.gc10...@alum.home
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:39:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 12:25:01 Chris Bannister wrote: Is there a local Linux User Group in your area? You could mention this, and I bet there would be someone who would be keen to see what the trouble is, i.e. sort it out in a hand holding manner or confirm that there is some peculiarity with what you are trying to achieve. I have a friend up the interstate about 10 miles running it, but he is still running Fedora 6 the last time I checked on his main machine, and one of the planetccrm setups on a couple more rigs as he also has a for hire music production studio. He doesn't fix what isn't broken. OK, but he *might* be interested in this particular problem you're having and you could maybe look at over a couple of cold ones or a steer on spit one weekend, *wink* *wink*, know what I mean. Of course, you are going to have to set up an install ready to say, Oh while you're here, you wouldn't know what might be the trouble with this ... and volia, before you know it you've got his inquisitive nature overtaking him. :) But, there are usually Linux User Groups in most areas. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403183004.GA31598@tal
Re: debian 8
Hi. On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 19:16:30 +0200 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 03.04.2015 um 19:09 schrieb Erwan David: Le 03/04/2015 11:58, Pol Hallen a écrit : What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? no problems about differences (but I hate systemd). I've many (and many and many) productions server (with compilated inside source and other harden and tips). Pol systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 8 What does this mean ? If we want stable, and no tech preview, no part of it is installed ? It means, that you were pointed at the wrong release notes. ppcel64 was not part of wheezy, but the document you linked to is for the wheezy release. For some obscure reason, that resulted in the wheezy release docs for ppcel64 being labelled as for Debian 8 instead of Debian7. But the page contains mostly correct (as of jessie) details about kernel version, libc6 and other important libraries and programs. Do you know, by chance, what's the correct way to report a bug against a Debian website? This page is apparently misleading and should be removed IMO. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403202558.006eabac8598eaf07850e...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 17:41:05 Gene Heskett wrote: If that isn't broken, its a matter for you and me to argue about over a couple hand coolers, on me of course. :) No, it isn't broken. You have trouble with it. So you need help. I have no problem with that. But accept help. Answer questions. Or just irritate people. But what do you actually achieve by deliberately provoking them? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031826.32346.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: debian 8
On 03/04/2015, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 17:41:44 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? Would gnome-session-flashback suit you? I have no idea. In searching for it, the web pages at https://packages.debian.org/es/jessie/gnome-session-flashback and https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomePanel do not include screenshots, so I do not know of its appearance or implied functionality. In Debian 6, with its GNOME 2 interface, I have, at the bottom of the screen, a taskbar below the panel, with the three menu types (Applications, Places,System) at the left end of the panel, and the system monitor applet to the left of the date and time at the right end of the panel. I want to be able to reproduce that in Debian 7 and, Debian 8, if they have the functionality. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8ol6tgdwodrjftkdqxay7nghg9d68qyt7vd3bdg0sk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: re-set time/date
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:30:35PM +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:24:42PM +0200, Racla Grillyz wrote: Thanks, it worked like a charme. Just want to point out that I checked on the official debian manual/reference from the official website, and I did not find such an information. Every time you upgrade tzdata - apt tells you to run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' if you don't like the time after the upgrade. I presume you mean timezone, for changing the time I used to use 'date -s' but with ntp installed that is no longer necesssary. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403180205.GB29781@tal
Re: Debian 8 bientôt publiée !
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le vendredi 3 avril 2015 à 17:01, Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be a écrit : Pour ceux qui ne suivent pas la liste en anglais, je vous rapporte une bonne nouvelle : Jessie sortira le 25 avril ! Bien, il ne reste plus que 3 semaines pour soulager la cow-girl de ses près de 100 bogues critiques (à la date d'aujourd'hui) d'après la page https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ . :-) Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031901.30321.stephane.garg...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 15:35:37 Gene Heskett wrote: It's not quite this simple if /home isn't a separate partition to begin with, but is just a directory under the root partition, which I believe Gene stated is the case he's dealing with. That is correct, the installers partitioner would not allow it any other way. Please, Gene. *Must* you deliberately provoke with every mail? Why not just use non contentious language and upset no-one. Not even yourself. You know what they say about sleeping dogs - and cobras? ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031703.37027.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 16:01:05 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 10:23:58 Brian wrote: [...] Here we go again... Why bother? The ISO from LinuxCNC installs within 15 minutes and will provide separate / and /home partitions and a swap partition of any chosen size. That's when done properly, of course. Compare that with the convolutions which are being planned and the time they will occupy. If its so darned easy, write us up a tutorial on how to do it properly, text mode so we can print it and follow along to make sure we don't wind up in partitioner hell when there is no network access to ask questions, where I have been about 10 times while trying to install the hybride.iso from that site. Ditto for my orginial attempts to install wheezy from the Debian site before I installed the hybride.iso. IIRC I made 3 tries with it, never did get it past the partitioner with anything more than / and swap defined. Yeah, thats my gauntlet laying there, pick it up and answer the challenge. Keystroke by keystroke starting with a powerup with the install disk in the optical drive. Or, go fix the installer, I don't care which, but empty brags like this do nothing to alleviate the headache that the broken installer with its inability to recognize any partition but / forces on us. I have personally tried evey disk partitioner tool we have trying to make a disk this POS installer would accept. So we fight with it, 2, 3 hours or more, and finally give up and let it use its defaults, getting a / and a swap. Go ahead Brian, I'll wait right here while you do that. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene The installer IS NOT BROKEN. And someone did give you step by step instructions, which you ignored. Also ask you for step by step information on what you had done so that we could try to help. Which you ignored. YOU couldn't use it correctly. That is for sure. BUT THE INSTALLER IS NOT BROKEN. Anyway, it is soon to be laid to rest. Perhaps you'll like the Jessie installer better. And I thought that you said that you worried about your language because of the ladies present. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031716.33062.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:28:56PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 Apr 2015 at 20:37:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 19:20:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 02 April 2015 22:35:29 Gene Heskett wrote: /home is just a directory on / here since the broken installer will not do it any other way. I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. It needs to be spoken to softly and caressed into submission. No one doubts your experience but everyone wonders how you have managed to turn a happy and co-operative installer into a martinet. I vaguely recall fighting with the partitioning stage at one point in the past but I think the 7.7 netinst I tried recently was much improved. There might be one particular step which is tripping Gene up, and once the oh! duh! slaps forehead moment passes, he'll be right. Is there a local Linux User Group in your area? You could mention this, and I bet there would be someone who would be keen to see what the trouble is, i.e. sort it out in a hand holding manner or confirm that there is some peculiarity with what you are trying to achieve. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403162500.GA29781@tal
[HS] portable écran brillant
J'ai acheté un portable tactile à écran brillant. Il y a un problème de reflets, je vois en permanence mon visage comme dans un miroir et tout ce qu'il y a devant. En plus, dans un endroit ensoleillé, bien difficile de voir l'image de l'écran. Est-ce qu'un film anti-reflets ferait l'affaire pour diminuer le problème ? Et est-ce que le tactile fonctionnera ? (ça coûte assez cher, je préfère m'informer avant). Sinon, je peux me rétracter et le renvoyer, mais à quelle condition...? (rue du commerce). Ne prenez surtout jamais un moniteur ou portable à écran brillant mais mat. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031850.23616.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Raspberry pi 2 + Lego Wedo + Scratch 1.4
El viernes, 3 abr 2015, a las 18:37 UTC+2 horas, Txema Clemente escribió: Hola y gracias por leer esto. Descripción de mi entorno: . Raspberry pi 2 ( la nueva de 1 GB) . raspbian kernel version 3.18 . Dispositivo Lego Wedo . Scratch 1.4 He realizado apt-get update Y apt-get upgrade Por lo que supongo que tengo todo a la ultima (soy un poco nuevo) Si realizó un lsusb , me aparece : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0694:003 Lego Group Por lo que parece que detecta el usb de lego wedo Posible BUG: cuando abro scratch, no me detecta ni el motor ni los sensores de Lego Wedo. Que puedo hacer Muchas gracias Chema Una sencilla búsqueda. Este es el primer resultado que me ha devuelto: http://eblog.damia.net/2014/05/14/lego-wedo-with-debian-wheezy-using-scratch/ -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403190123.32030...@gmail.com
Re: debian 8
Le 03/04/2015 11:58, Pol Hallen a écrit : What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? no problems about differences (but I hate systemd). I've many (and many and many) productions server (with compilated inside source and other harden and tips). Pol systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 8 What does this mean ? If we want stable, and no tech preview, no part of it is installed ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551ec95a.30...@rail.eu.org
Re: debian 8
On 03/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:17:37PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:08:29 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:49:30AM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. No idea, the top of the page says: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8 I'm sorry I didn't see the link, I simply went to debian.org and searched for jessie gnome classic, which returned this: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=jessie+gnome+classic The top link there says, again: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8, so I expected that to be what I wanted. Mea culpa. Oh I see. Consider this link then: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Interestingly, that link does not resolve/open, in the version of Arora running on Debian 6, but, opens in the version of rekonq running on Debian 6. By Debian 6, here, I mean Debian 6 LTS. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8opq1gbdefed_w7n8rpl6jrza3wknvewcmay+yspff...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian 8
On Friday 03 April 2015 13:05:31 Bret Busby wrote: On 03/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016. html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-what s-new.en.html Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. On my Debian 7 system, I tried to find the system monitor applet system, that I have running in my panel, on Debian 6, that includes 6 little dynamic graphs indicating system status, and I could not find them. Are they available in Debian 7 and 8, in the GNOME classic interface? In the event it is not, you'll be surprised at what gkrellm can show you with an inch of space on the left or right edge of all your workspaces. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031433.14267.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 13:52:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 12:32:47 Brian wrote: On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 11:01:05 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Go ahead Brian, I'll wait right here while you do that. It is only the partitioning which is giving a problem. 1. Choose 'Manual' on the 'Partition disks' page. Check Ok 2. Choose a disk and hightlight 'FREE SPACE'. Press the ENTER key. Check, unless the disk is used, then you need to use whole disk Either there is FREE SPACE or there isn't. If there is none you cannot install anything to that disk. What did you get? You didn't say, so now we are left wondering how you dealt with that situation. If it were me and there was no free space, I would delete that partition and go from there. 3. Create a new partition. ENTER. Specify size. ENTER. Choose 'Logical'. ENTER. 'Beginning' ENTER. Check Ok. 4. Highlight 'Mount point:'. ENTER. Highlight '/home'. ENTER. Choose 'Done setting up the partition'. ENTER. Check,,, Ok. 5 We are now back at the page in 2. Repeat 2, 3 and 4 but choose / as the mount point. Check, for /opt It should not make any difference but you have now decided to deviate from the instructions. We are now not in step. 6. Repeat 2 and 3. At 4 highlight 'Use as:' and choose 'swap area'. Then 'Done setting up the partition'. Check, 17 gigabytes worth. I do not quite understand that. Did you specify 17 G of swap? Why a prime number? :) 7. 'Finish partitioning and write changes to disk' is the final step in partitioning on this page. But before doing it carry out step 8. I wasn't doing that step 8. You **must** do it. It is obligatory. Then ENTER and agree to write the changes to disk on the next page. And this is where it looped back. 100% of the time, and apparently not writing to the disk the partition table so composed. So you highlight the disk by its sda designation and restart, never getting a successfuil step 7. Something before step 7 is surely the cause. You have the syslog; we don't. Free space was there on the disk, wasn't it? 8. Switch to tty2 with ALT-F2 and do cp /var/log/syslog /var/log/syslog-part1 /var/log/syslog If there is any failure at step 7 (or before) you should have a record in syslog which can be viewed with 'more /var/log/syslog'. syslog-part1 will contain information on disk detection. Thank you Brian. This log I assume is readable from tty2? I don't recall it was available that early in the install previously, so I hadn't even tried. Of course it is readable; I gave you the command to do it. syslog is available throughout the install. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403185004.gj22...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: [OT] tamaño diferente al listar por sftp
El Thu, 02 Apr 2015 14:21:01 -0600, petrohs el compa obrero escribió: 2015-04-02 14:03 GMT-06:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: (...) Pero comprueba lo que te dice Juan, ya que los archivos tienen hasta 3 fechas de modificación distintas. Si, he probado con distintos archivos, todos tienen el mismo comportamiento. He realizado los mismos pasos desde otro equipo y ahí coinciden los tamaños y las fechas. Parece que solo es con ese cliente. Curioso... ¿de qué cliente (sistema operativo/versión de sftp) se trata? El servidor es debian wheezy El cliente que marca mal tamaño es HP-UX B.11.31 U ia64 Los clientes que si marcan correcto el tamaño son HP-UX B.11.23 U ia64 y un Jessy Sólo se me ocurren dos opciones: 1/ que sea un bug en una versión concreta de sftp o 2/ que sea una característica/peculiaridad pero en ese caso tendría que estar explicada en el manual. Por ejemplo, en el manual de sftp para Debian mencionan expresamente los comandos interactivos permitidos (como ls) e indican que los caracteres especiales reconocidos por glob dentro de las rutas deben escaparse con \. Es posible que la versión del cliente sftp de ese HP-UX te diga algo diferente. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.03.16.23...@gmail.com
Re: debian 8
On 03/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:49:30AM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. Um, wheezy has GNOME 3.4. It's squeeze which had GNOME 2.30. Apparently this info is outdated. I think that this particular instance, is a matter of wording not being clear and unambiguous. What I believe to have been meant and intended, is the text slightly reworded, so that it instead, reads as If you want to keep, in wheezy, an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me, can verify that. It is a bit like the text at http://www.imdb.com/user/ur18777463/ where the text is written; Cloris Leachman later was on Lassie. She was the boy who owned Lassie's mom. wherein, I believe the second sentence, instead of indicating that Cloris Leachman played the role of a boy that had been the owner of the dog that was the mother of Lassie, should have indicated that Cloris Leachman played the mother of the boy that had owned Lassie. It is all in the way that text is worded. It needs to be clear and unambiguous. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8nsmbjxluups10t_mggbuj6fz2elgsz2qoj+mntrxp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian 8
On 03/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Will Debian 8, when released, provide the GNOME Classic interface? From the above: If you want to keep an interface closer to the GNOME 2.30 version in wheezy, you can select the “GNOME Classic” session at the login prompt. It will bring you an improved version of the traditional panel. You can still edit the panel to add more applets, by using the hidden alt+right click combination. On my Debian 7 system, I tried to find the system monitor applet system, that I have running in my panel, on Debian 6, that includes 6 little dynamic graphs indicating system status, and I could not find them. Are they available in Debian 7 and 8, in the GNOME classic interface? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8o2dj1ujbe0bwetc8qjsqznf-3q-os2ny3npu_rxk_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian 8
On 04/04/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:17:37PM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:08:29 +0300 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 11:49:30AM +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:41:44 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/2015, Pol Hallen wrote: I read that at 25 april (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html) should be available latest debian version. What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8? https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html There's something I miss here. Why does your link contains *wheezy*, instead of *jessie*? Also, why *ppc64el*? It's hardly a commodity architecture. No idea, the top of the page says: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8 I'm sorry I didn't see the link, I simply went to debian.org and searched for jessie gnome classic, which returned this: https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=jessie+gnome+classic The top link there says, again: Chapter 2. What's new in Debian 8, so I expected that to be what I wanted. Mea culpa. Oh I see. Consider this link then: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html Interestingly, that link does not resolve/open, in the version of Arora running on Debian 6, but, opens in the version of rekonq running on Debian 6. By Debian 6, here, I mean Debian 6 LTS. I have just worked it out - it does not resolve/open in Arora, because it is https . -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pwxkjfrqi3oyw3t9j5xhwrjkkgmryavqnxaqkm5rb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 12:25:01 Chris Bannister wrote: [...] I know that it has been said before, but there may be people new to the list reading this. I used the same broken installer, and my /home is separate from /. Lisi I appreciate that you have done that Lisi, but this hybrid.iso from linuxcnc.org, downloadable from a link right one on the front page, and using the wheezy repos for updates, simply cannot be beaten into submission to do that. It needs to be spoken to softly and caressed into submission. No one doubts your experience but everyone wonders how you have managed to turn a happy and co-operative installer into a martinet. I vaguely recall fighting with the partitioning stage at one point in the past but I think the 7.7 netinst I tried recently was much improved. There might be one particular step which is tripping Gene up, and once the oh! duh! slaps forehead moment passes, he'll be right. I would welcome that moment. Is there a local Linux User Group in your area? You could mention this, and I bet there would be someone who would be keen to see what the trouble is, i.e. sort it out in a hand holding manner or confirm that there is some peculiarity with what you are trying to achieve. I have a friend up the interstate about 10 miles running it, but he is still running Fedora 6 the last time I checked on his main machine, and one of the planetccrm setups on a couple more rigs as he also has a for hire music production studio. He doesn't fix what isn't broken. And we use a dozen or more linux installs at the tv station, generally an older Centos 5.5 or 5.6 IIRC. Jim is like Karl, he doesn't fix whats not broken, but he does patch for hacks quite religiously. And he is resourcefull in that when we went digital in 2008, we bought 4 of the recommended rack mount Apple video servers for our video recording and playback, one per channel. All of which had been replaced 6 years ago now by centos servers that are 3-5x more capable than the Apple stuff, none of which lasted for more than a year before being destroyed by an internal fire at $5995 each. We learned to keep several fire extinguishers handy around them. And Jim built all the Centos servers from boxes of parts and rack mount cages with 20x the cooling the apples had. One little 1.625 fan failing anyplace in one of the apples = internal fire essentially down for the count, non-repairable. Warranty or not, apple wouldn't touch them after the first one. So his Centos (and he is fluent in windows too) knowledge isn't terribly applicable here. I wish it was. Part of the Centos speed comes from a 2nd local 10 gigabit network just for Operations Control, where the apples were gigabit only. It is not bridged to the outside. And I am hearing rumors of that being replaced by fiber if and when fiber routers at 100Gb or more become affordable. Affordable has not been $defined in front of me though. :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031339.46716.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 12:16:33 Lisi Reisz wrote: [...] The installer IS NOT BROKEN. And someone did give you step by step instructions, which you ignored. No, they were printed and followed to the letter, at least twice. Also ask you for step by step information on what you had done so that we could try to help. Which you ignored. Because I was following the instructions, I did not write down keystroke by keystroke. Anything I would recall later would probably be incomplete and out of order. And thats even worse because its miss-leading everyone. Possibly, very probably even me. YOU couldn't use it correctly. That is for sure. BUT THE INSTALLER IS NOT BROKEN. Anyway, it is soon to be laid to rest. Perhaps you'll like the Jessie installer better. If my yelping incessantly about it has caused it to be improved, I'll give the obligatory 3 cheers and a tip of my 5 gallon hat. Even a 21 gun salute if the ammo shortage eases. And I thought that you said that you worried about your language because of the ladies present. What language, hell isn't a swear word, its a place. At least according to the Praise the Lord but send Me the money crowd. ;-) Cheers Lisi, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031258.39831.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: Raspberry pi 2 + Lego Wedo + Scratch 1.4
El Fri, 03 Apr 2015 19:37:12 +0300, Txema Clemente escribió: Hola y gracias por leer esto. Descripción de mi entorno: . Raspberry pi 2 ( la nueva de 1 GB) . raspbian kernel version 3.18 . Dispositivo Lego Wedo . Scratch 1.4 Pregunta en algún foro o lista de Raspian¹ o de Raspberry Pi² porque seguramente el kernel que tengas sea distinto del que existe en los paquetes de Debian, además de que te podrán indicar mejor los pasos a seguir, habrá más gente que tenga esas aplicaciones y se haya podido encontrar con el mismo problema, etc... He realizado apt-get update Y apt-get upgrade Por lo que supongo que tengo todo a la ultima (soy un poco nuevo) Si realizó un lsusb , me aparece : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0694:003 Lego Group Por lo que parece que detecta el usb de lego wedo Posible BUG: cuando abro scratch, no me detecta ni el motor ni los sensores de Lego Wedo. Que puedo hacer Pues quizá ejecutar scratch desde línea de comandos a ver si ves algún mensaje que te dé alguna pista de qué le falta o qué falla. ¹http://www.raspbian.org/ ²http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63t=62957 Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.03.17.06...@gmail.com
Re: debian 8
Am 03.04.2015 um 19:16 schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 03.04.2015 um 19:09 schrieb Erwan David: systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 8 What does this mean ? If we want stable, and no tech preview, no part of it is installed ? It means, that you were pointed at the wrong release notes. ppcel64 was not part of wheezy, but the document you linked to is for the wheezy release. For some obscure reason, that resulted in the wheezy release docs for ppcel64 being labelled as for Debian 8 instead of Debian7. If you want to read the real, draft jessie release notes, see https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: re-set time/date
Hi. On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 07:02:05 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:30:35PM +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 12:24:42PM +0200, Racla Grillyz wrote: Thanks, it worked like a charme. Just want to point out that I checked on the official debian manual/reference from the official website, and I did not find such an information. Every time you upgrade tzdata - apt tells you to run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' if you don't like the time after the upgrade. I presume you mean timezone, for changing the time I used to use 'date -s' but with ntp installed that is no longer necesssary. In a way, both. Apt talks about 'Current default time zone', but then shows time in a Local Timezone and in UTC: Current default time zone: '…' Local time is now: Fri Apr 3 … Universal Time is now: Fri Apr 3 … Run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' if you wish to change it. 'It' can refer to the timezone here, but it can also refer to a time itself too. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150403211236.837df59001fdd14e67780...@gmail.com
Re: debian 8
On 2015-04-03, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the sharpness and brightness, have dulled for me, over the years (too many years). And Cloris Leachman never got on Lassie. Sheesh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmhtls7.2df.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On 04/03/2015 at 10:35 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 09:36:33 The Wanderer wrote: On 04/03/2015 at 09:25 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: /home is a mount point, not a partition. You don't mount anything over it, you mount something on it. So you mount your new home partition on the /home mount point. You then mount your old home partition on another mount point and copy the data from it to your new home partition. It's not quite this simple if /home isn't a separate partition to begin with, but is just a directory under the root partition, which I believe Gene stated is the case he's dealing with. It can still be done, with the slightly different set of steps Reco described (mount new elsewhere, move existing into new, unmount new from elsewhere, mount new to /home and modify fstab) - but being sure you're doing it cleanly requires either making _certain_ no one other than root is logged in Thats easy, I'm it. :) Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be careful to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left running on logout) which would try to access files under /home/*/ - and though I don't know of anything offhand which would necessarily do that, I wouldn't want to assume that nothing would. during the move process or using a LiveCD (to make sure that, effectively, no user on the affected system is logged in _at all_ during that process). Is booting with the single option on the kernels command line insufficient for this scenario? That (single-user mode) _should_ be sufficient, but if I were doing it myself I'd still take the extra steps to verify, just in case. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Tomcat + 2 app
El Thu, 02 Apr 2015 17:22:43 -0300, Marcos Germán Capelari escribió: (...) Tengo un server debian 7 con un tomcat 6 instalado. Hice un deploy de 2 app desde Application Manager, pero al momento de ejecutarlas me da error 404. El problema radica en que el Application Manager ejecuta lo siguiente: http://10.0.0.2:8080/historial/ http://10.0.0.2:8080/conectaviz/ y el acceso a la app esta en: http://10.0.0.2:8080/historial/servlet/inicio http://10.0.0.2:8080/conectabiz/servlet/winicio Cuando pongo la direcciones correctas en el navegador accedo bien a las aplicaciones. (...) De Tomcat no tengo mucha idea, pero suele haber archivos de configuración en formato xml donde puedes definir los parámetros y las rutas a las aplicaciones por lo que yo empezaría por ahí. Y bueno, también revisaría el manual del Application Manager ese :-) https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/manager-howto.html# Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.03.16.29...@gmail.com
Re: Instalando Debian en mi laptop
El Fri, 03 Apr 2015 00:25:50 -0500, Christian Poveda escribió: Saludos! Siempre he sido un entusiasta de Debian y lo utilicé durante un amplio periodo de tiempo, sin embargo hace un par de años dejé de usarlo dado que no pude hacerlo funcionar correctamente en mi laptop. Sin embargo quisiera intentarlo de nuevo y quisiera saber si ustedes podrian colaborarme con ello. Actualmente tengo un Dell Inspiron 5437 y quisiera saber si es posible hacer funcionar debian correctamente para poder usarlo en mi dia a dia. Les mando un lspci de mi laptop (...) Para probar el hardware nada mejor que ejecutar la versión LiveCD de Debian, así verás si te reconoce todos los componentes o si alguno te da problemas (recuerda que desde una LiveCD también puedes instalar paquetes). Estoy especialmente preocupado por la tarjeta de red inalambrica dado que hace poco intenté instalar debian y no conseguí hacerla funcionar. Atheros siempre ha sido Linux-friendly, así que no creo que te dé problemas. La lista de chipsets soportados por el driver ath9k (upstream) está aquí: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k#supported_chipsets Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.03.16.35...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 12:03:37 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 15:35:37 Gene Heskett wrote: It's not quite this simple if /home isn't a separate partition to begin with, but is just a directory under the root partition, which I believe Gene stated is the case he's dealing with. That is correct, the installers partitioner would not allow it any other way. Please, Gene. *Must* you deliberately provoke with every mail? Why not just use non contentious language and upset no-one. Not even yourself. You know what they say about sleeping dogs - and cobras? ;-) Lisi I'm sorry you take it that way Lisi, but I have beat my head against this seemingly impervious wall for 10+ install attempts without getting past it. At this point, its obvious the only way toward progress is to provoke all the protectors of this difficult if not impossible to use installer by challenging them to actually write a tutorial that works for a 1 partition setup. Several were offered and printed and followed at one point or another back when this thread drew its first breath, none got me out of the partitioner imposed jail. Davids last post is quite helpful, but its in the form of an after the fact workaround. We need a printable tut/proceedure so it can be consulted during the install when no network is available, one that gets us the results we need DURING the install. Then everyone could benefit from that. In the winter of 97-98, when I installed RedHat 5.0 the first time with a k6-II at the them unherard of 400 Mhz clocking, 320 megs of dram, on a 30Gb IDE hard drive, I could partition the disk any way I wanted except moving /etc off /, and it Just Worked(TM). The present situation is to me, a huge regression. If that isn't broken, its a matter for you and me to argue about over a couple hand coolers, on me of course. :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031241.05090.ghesk...@wdtv.com
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Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 12:32:47 Brian wrote: On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 11:01:05 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Go ahead Brian, I'll wait right here while you do that. It is only the partitioning which is giving a problem. Re-reading this again... 1. Choose 'Manual' on the 'Partition disks' page. 2. Choose a disk and hightlight 'FREE SPACE'. Press the ENTER key. 3. Create a new partition. ENTER. Specify size. ENTER. Choose 'Logical'. ENTER. 'Beginning' ENTER. 4. Highlight 'Mount point:'. ENTER. Highlight '/home'. ENTER. Choose 'Done setting up the partition'. ENTER. Humm, it just occured to me that I was defining a gig small change as /boot first, then /,then /home, then /opt, then the remainder as swap. Can I infer from this that all other partitions must be defined first and then the last defined partition s/b / and that is the only way it will work? That would put / on an extended partition, but IIRC I had that condition once before, several years back without any excitement. I had always assumed that partitions s/b defined and reserved from the outside in. 5 We are now back at the page in 2. Repeat 2, 3 and 4 but choose / as the mount point. 6. Repeat 2 and 3. At 4 highlight 'Use as:' and choose 'swap area'. Then 'Done setting up the partition'. 7. 'Finish partitioning and write changes to disk' is the final step in partitioning on this page. But before doing it carry out step 8. Then ENTER and agree to write the changes to disk on the next page. I should also relate that at this step, when it looped, it had erased the original partition table of a previously used disk, so it did write to the drive enough to clear the old table, but had not written a new one. Verified by bailing out and rebooting to a recent gparted cd, and finding the existing partition table had indeed been wiped. 8. Switch to tty2 with ALT-F2 and do cp /var/log/syslog /var/log/syslog-part1 /var/log/syslog If there is any failure at step 7 (or before) you should have a record in syslog which can be viewed with 'more /var/log/syslog'. syslog-part1 will contain information on disk detection. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031425.55886.ghesk...@wdtv.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 15:31:38 Gene Heskett wrote: And don't forget, that when the cp is done, to look at it with an ls -l to make sure I still own my stuff. That is the point of the p in -Rpu. It preserves permissions. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031701.18991.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 16:53:53 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 11:38:02 David Wright wrote: Quoting The Wanderer (wande...@fastmail.fm): On 04/03/2015 at 09:25 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 14:03:38 Gene Heskett wrote: But you mentioned cleaning out /home when mounting another partition over it, but I'd need a tutorial on how to do that since the .home dir, once the 2nd drive is mounted oin top of it, isn't accessible. FWIW, Quite right. If you mount a partition over a directory with files in it, then those files are (a) inaccessible while the mount is there and (b) taking up space (in / in your case). /home is a mount point, not a partition. You don't mount anything over it, you mount something on it. So you mount your new home partition on the /home mount point. You then mount your old home partition on another mount point and copy the data from it to your new home partition. It's not quite this simple if /home isn't a separate partition to begin with, but is just a directory under the root partition, which I believe Gene stated is the case he's dealing with. It can still be done, with the slightly different set of steps Reco described (mount new elsewhere, move existing into new, unmount new from elsewhere, mount new to /home and modify fstab) I would do it slightly differently. There's no virtue in using the original /home directory as the mount point for the new home partition. Boot into single Mount new partition fred on /mnt (which is what it's for) Copy the files. (I use find | cpio -damp myself, which is capable of cloning a running root filesystem) Rename /home to /oldhome (or whatever) mkdir /home unmount fred from /mnt and mount it on /home Add fred to fstab Back to normal runlevel Archive/compare/check/prune/remove /oldhome at leisure. fred stands for whatever name you know the new partition by, be it kernel device, LABEL, UUID or whatever. Please don't actually call it wheezyhome, though. That's doubly overloaded. This makes far more sense for an after the fact setup. Agreed - where everything is in one partition. Thanks from me too, David. Lisi Thanks David. Cheers, David. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031708.55151.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 12:01:18 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 15:31:38 Gene Heskett wrote: And don't forget, that when the cp is done, to look at it with an ls -l to make sure I still own my stuff. That is the point of the p in -Rpu. It preserves permissions. I'll plead to not having read that man page this side of 1997 or 98. My bad thanks Lisi. Lisi Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031210.15846.ghesk...@wdtv.com
offtopic Re: Madrid
El vie, 03-04-2015 a las 17:53 +0200, Altair Linux escribió: Hola Carol, sitios a visitar, por mi parte: - El parque del retiro, la parte que se pueda - El cuadro El jardín de las delicias en el museo. Me pregunto si podre hacer fotos. - La puerta del sol. Ahora mismo no recuerdo mas. ¿como que te equivocaste de lista o destinatario no? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1428078386.2027.5.ca...@gmail.com
Re: offtopic Re: Madrid
Me equivoque de destinatario, sorry. El día 3 de abril de 2015, 18:26, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com escribió: El vie, 03-04-2015 a las 17:53 +0200, Altair Linux escribió: Hola Carol, sitios a visitar, por mi parte: - El parque del retiro, la parte que se pueda - El cuadro El jardín de las delicias en el museo. Me pregunto si podre hacer fotos. - La puerta del sol. Ahora mismo no recuerdo mas. ¿como que te equivocaste de lista o destinatario no? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1428078386.2027.5.ca...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/ca+hdpfj92nah15+aztvyor+8bxh-skjh-wje+sqaf5z3y-k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Carte WIFI mt7630e
Hello, Le 03/04/2015 12:15, jber...@free.fr a écrit : un PC portable ASUS K551LN X0401H avec Windows 8 préinstallé. Ok, donc PC récent avec chipset intégré ... C'est bon à savoir . Je sais que dans l'idéal il faudrait acheter un PC en tenant compte de l'ouverture des drivers et de la compatibilité avec linux. C'est pas obligatoire, mais c'est mieux ;) . Maintenant ça semble vraiment efficace et ma carte d'origine fonctionne aussi bien que sous W8 (que j'utilise très peu sauf pour des tests de ce genre), voire plutôt mieux. Un grand bravo à Jakub. D'une manière plus générale, je suis admiratif de ces gens du libre qui arrivent à faire mieux que les constructeurs ;) J'ai pensé qu'il y avait d'autres malheureux acquéreurs de PC équipés de cette carte qui seraient intéressés. Et tu as tout à fait raison ;) . @+ Christophe. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/551ed0a3.9000...@stuxnet.org
Re: firefox-37, where to put
On Friday 03 April 2015 13:30:29 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 03 April 2015 17:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote: The installer IS NOT BROKEN. And someone did give you step by step instructions, which you ignored. No, they were printed and followed to the letter, at least twice. Also ask you for step by step information on what you had done so that we could try to help. Which you ignored. Because I was following the instructions, I did not write down keystroke by keystroke. Youi could and should have kept notes on what didn't work and why to feed back. If my yelping incessantly about it has caused it to be improved, It won't have made any difference at all. All the yelping has done is annoy people. It has achieved nothing constructive. They have a proper report procedure for new installers. I'll give the obligatory 3 cheers and a tip of my 5 gallon hat. Even a 21 gun salute if the ammo shortage eases. And I thought that you said that you worried about your language because of the ladies present. What language, hell isn't a swear word, its a place. POS? Point of sale? Doesn't grok. :) Lisi Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504031451.45694.ghesk...@wdtv.com
