Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers?

[brian]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:07:30 -0400, you wrote:
>
>My wife and I live out in the wilds of Maine, and the only internet
>service we can get is satellite, which means a maximum of 250 MB total
>up and down per day. That allowance gets drained away by these damned
>autoplay videos on various news sites. Pat is using Wheezy, I'm using
>Jessie - short of going back to Lynx, does anyone have any
>recommendations for a browser which can be configured NOT to autostart
>videos? I'm not talking just on YouTube or similar sites - there are a
>zillion extensions to do that for Firefox, but they don't work on
>other sites, e.g. the New York Times. 
>

Thanks for the advice, all. I'll start working my way through the
suggestions.


Brian. 

Re: debian-user list problem

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> Sorry. Some details:
> I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
> digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
> All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
> this message some days ago.
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
> I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> me as a spammer.

If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* emails, 
not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your 
emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is 
Spam.  Have you checked?  

There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.

Lisi

Re: debian-user list problem

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Lisi Reisz wrote to Maderios:
> You are still subscribed.

Is he ?
(Is there a list of members ?)

To Maderios:
What happens if you try to subscribe again with the same
e-mail address ?

I cannot yet imagine how your mail of Oct 8 could unsubscribe
you. But one never knows.


Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is Spam.

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Perhaps it's your mail provider (googlemail) who's overdoing the
> spam filter?

One suspicious thing about my own echoed mails to debian-user is
that they state to come from myself on a long round trip through
the mail server network. At least the "Received:" headers tell so.
  From: Thomas Schmitt 
  Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Not all mail providers tolerate this despite the Resent-From header.
The SYSLINUX mailing list meanwhile resends as
  From: Thomas Schmitt via Syslinux 
  Reply-To: Thomas Schmitt 


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers?

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 11/10/2015 9:59 AM, edonkey2001-deb...@yahoo.it wrote:
> Get Policeman addon, go to Manage rule sets:
> Enable "Allow any request"
> Then go to Edit custom rules, and add a persistent rule:
> Reject media, leaving origin and destination fields empty.
> 
> You can't now watch any video on any website, they won't even get downloaded, 
> regardless of Javascript settings, Video tag and else.
> 
> For even more data savings just let Policeman act in default deny mode, and 
> whitelist things you need.
> It's boring to create the whitelist but you can spare a lot of data traffic, 
> and it's only done once. 

I use Policeman too, it's great, preferring that with uBlock Origin and
removed noscript a good while ago now.  I know that noscript had an
issue with a white-listed by default domain getting out in to the wild,
but they did [to their credit] patch it quickly once it was reported.
But what if it never got reported??? Seems to me that noscript allows
too much.  And even with other options, I think it would be good to rest
and start again with rules regularly as the only constant is change; you
can't rely on a site behaving the same when revisited -- it may have
changed ownership or it may have had a redesign for any old reason.

Cheers
A.

Re: Tentatives possible réussies attaque serveur

[Sylvain L. Sauvage]

Le vendredi 9 octobre 2015, 23:07:45 andre_deb...@numericable.fr 
a écrit :
>[…]
> ça veut dire quoi "écrire le serveur HTTP" ?

  Concevoir, programmer. La même chose que « écrire un script ».

> Qu'en sais tu que mes scripts PHP sont moisis ?
>[…] qu'en sais tu ?

  Je n’en sais rien. J’ai dit « *un* script moisi blabla, *un* 
script moins moisi blabla ».
  On ne peut être que général puisqu’on ne connaît pas ton 
script.

> Je ré-explique la problèmatique par comparaison :
>[…]
> Je voulais donc juste savoir si le fichier "/etc/passwd" a été
> téléchargé ou pas, point.

  Ça fait 25 messages dans ce fil qui t’expliquent qu’on n’en 
sait rien parce qu’on ne sait pas ce que fait ton script, que la 
réponse « 200 OK » ne donne aucun indice autre que le script a 
bien été exécuté et a renvoyé « quelque chose ».
  Il n’y a que toi qui puisse aller plus loin mais tu sembles 
bloqué sur la même question générale sans lire ou essayer de 
comprendre les réponses qui te sont faites.
  Est-ce que tu as même seulement essayé les URL suspectes toi-
même ? Si tu les essaies, tu verras bien si tu récupères le 
contenu de passwd ou pas.

> Bien lire la demande d'un membre de la liste est très
> important.

  Que ce membre lise bien les réponses qui lui sont faites est 
tout aussi très important.

-- 
 Sylvain Sauvage

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:26:56 +0200,
Fabien R  a écrit :

> On 10/10/2015 19:28, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:
> > bonjour,
> > 
> > je n'arrive pas à accéder aux manpages sous bash en user et j'ai
> > essayé avec zsh et tout est ok comment y arriver avec bash  
> 
> Vérifie le contenu de ta variable MANPATH.
> 
> --
> Fabien
> 

bonjour,

voici ce que j'ai dans le .bashrc

 100# set CDPATH to good one
-101 CDPATH=.:/usr/share/doc:~/Desktop/src:~/Desktop:~
 102  export CDPATH
 103 
 104   PATH="${PATH}":/usr/sbin:/sbin
 105   # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists 
-106 if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
 107PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
-108 fi
 109  export PATH


et le /etc/manpath.config n'est pas modifié, attention j'ai les pages
du man en sudo ...

slt
bernard

Re: Debian deja el Linux Standard Base. :(

[Javier Silva]

El 10/10/2015 13:45, "Manolo Díaz"  escribió:
>
> El sábado, 10 oct 2015 a las 11:19 UTC
> Santiago José López Borrazás escribió:
>
> > Leído ahora mismo, pues hace horas que lo han publicado:
> >
> > http://hipertextual.com/2015/10/debian-abandona-linux-standard-base
> >
> > Y...hay más cosas...
> >
> > Es una pena. :(
>
> ¿Pena por qué? Solo hay 8 aplicaciones certificadas repartidas entre 6
> empresas. ¿No te parece demasiado esfuerzo para tan pequeño logro?
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/658289/
>
>

Entonces las aplicaciones de terceros como VMware y sus bundles
(Workstation, Horizon View, etc.) que utilizan comandos de la LSB para
instalar/actualizar sus paquetes, ven que Debian no es LSB compatible,
dejarán de poder ser instalados?

Evidente resulta que estos paquetes no están en los repositorios de Debian,
pero se necesitan instalar en empresas.

Estoy errado o al igual de VMware hay otras herramientas que necesitas de
estos para su instalación?

Javier Silva.

Re: a little jessie whinage

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 08:51:18PM -0600, Glenn English wrote:

[...]

> The problem with that is that there's a line at the top of the
> resolv.conf: "Generated by NetworkManager." [...]

A reason why I avoid NetworkManager since long (this has lead me
towards a leaner system overall ;-)

But one neat (and often forgotten) tool to debug the situation
"something is messing with a file and I don't know who does what
when" is chattr: just set the immutable attribute on the file
(sudo chattr -i ) and wait until the perpetrator
falls flat on its face (possibly complaining loudly).

Sometimes this even "fixes" the problem (for some dubious value
of "fixing", granted -- but in a pinch...)

hth
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Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:05:53PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> [Please CC me on replies]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On my freshly installed Debian jessie system, running XFCE and
> Network Manager, I'm seeing /etc/resolv.conf being blanked every so
> often (it seems to be about every 20 minutes). I can't see what is doing
> this; there's nothing in the system logs which correlates with this event.

See my other post: the brutal (but effective) self-defense tool I used
(back then, when NM was yet allowed on my boxes ;-) was to "chattr +i"
the file. With some luck I'd find complaints in the log files which helped
clear up which program (and in which context) was trying to do something
to the files.

The nice part of chattr is that it protects the direntry too (so the
obvious fall-back of removing and re-creating doesn't help).

Regards
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Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[Dominic Hargreaves]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:39:02PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:05:53PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> > [Please CC me on replies]
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On my freshly installed Debian jessie system, running XFCE and
> > Network Manager, I'm seeing /etc/resolv.conf being blanked every so
> > often (it seems to be about every 20 minutes). I can't see what is doing
> > this; there's nothing in the system logs which correlates with this event.
> 
> See my other post: the brutal (but effective) self-defense tool I used
> (back then, when NM was yet allowed on my boxes ;-) was to "chattr +i"
> the file. With some luck I'd find complaints in the log files which helped
> clear up which program (and in which context) was trying to do something
> to the files.
> 
> The nice part of chattr is that it protects the direntry too (so the
> obvious fall-back of removing and re-creating doesn't help).

But I *want* NM to update the file, and I don't have any evidence that
it's NM blanking it here. So preventing updates isn't what I want.

Having said that, you're right that looking for complaints could be
an effective debugging tool. I'll give that a go.

I did just notice that there is a third state that the file sometimes
ends up in, as well as the expected one which begins "Generated by
Network Manager". This is a file which just contains one nameserver
entry containing the IPv6 resolver. Odd.

Cheers,
Dominic.

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:20:14PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Lisi Reisz wrote to Maderios:
> > You are still subscribed.
> 
> Is he ?
> (Is there a list of members ?)

Thomas, insightful as always :-)

You're quite right: one is able to post to this list without being
subscribed... perhaps maderios' subscription just "disappeared"
for whatever reasons.

regards
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Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:23:03 +0100
Dominic Hargreaves  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:39:02PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:05:53PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> > > [Please CC me on replies]
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On my freshly installed Debian jessie system, running XFCE and
> > > Network Manager, I'm seeing /etc/resolv.conf being blanked every so
> > > often (it seems to be about every 20 minutes). I can't see what is doing
> > > this; there's nothing in the system logs which correlates with this event.
> > 
> > See my other post: the brutal (but effective) self-defense tool I used
> > (back then, when NM was yet allowed on my boxes ;-) was to "chattr +i"
> > the file. With some luck I'd find complaints in the log files which helped
> > clear up which program (and in which context) was trying to do something
> > to the files.
> > 
> > The nice part of chattr is that it protects the direntry too (so the
> > obvious fall-back of removing and re-creating doesn't help).
> 
> But I *want* NM to update the file, and I don't have any evidence that
> it's NM blanking it here. So preventing updates isn't what I want.
> 
> Having said that, you're right that looking for complaints could be
> an effective debugging tool. I'll give that a go.

Setting immutable bit is a crude, but effective technique indeed. But
there's less destructive approach called auditd.

Install it, start it, invoke

auditctl -w /etc/resolv.conf -p wa

Watch the results in /var/log/audit.


To disable watching, invoke

auditctl -W /etc/resolv.conf

Reco

gnome ( panel ) question

[Peter Berlau]

Hello,

i switched from 'xfce' to 'gnome', no problem and gnome looks, for me, a
little "cooler".

I switched using the 'task-gnome' selection, and i wonder if there is no
need to install 'gnome-panel'.

Is 'gnome-panel' really not needed?

Thanks for answers.

best regards,
 peter

Re: Je ne reçois plus les messages de la liste debian-user

[andre_debian]

Idem pour moi,
j'ai posté hier et mon mail n'est pas arrivé sur la ML...
ou du moins je n'ai pas reçu de retour.

Je le reposte et excuses si vous le recevez en double.

André

On Saturday 10 October 2015 12:27:08 maderios wrote:
> Bonjour
> Je suis abonné à la liste anglaise debian-user. Depuis que j'ai posté un 
> message, le 8 octobre dernier, je ne reçois plus rien alors que cette 
> liste fonctionne normalement et que des gens m'ont répondu.
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
> J'ai envoyé hier un courriel à listmas...@lists.debian.org pour signaler 
> ce fait mais je n'ai reçu aucune réponse.
> A part ouvrir un nouveau compte utilisateur, pas de solution en vue.

Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

[Petter Adsen]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:31:11 +0200
Peter Berlau  wrote:

> WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
> prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong argument" 
> I did not know what this mean or
> what i should do...

Take a look here, there are some good suggestions on how to get
scanning from HP devices working:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sane#For_HP_hardware

According to the following page, scanning should work:

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_7500_e910.html

Petter

-- 
"I'm ionized"
"Are you sure?"
"I'm positive."

Re: a little jessie whinage

[Glenn English]

On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:28 PM, David Wright  wrote:

> If it's unacceptable, why don't you just stick with sysv.

I just expect Debian stable to work correctly, like, as best I can remember, it 
always has. 

I wouldn't mind a new init system -- I've been through several in the past, and 
System V can certainly be a PITA sometimes. I'd like the new one to work, 
though. And it should be reasonably transparent, straightforward, and 
repairable when it doesn't.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: debian-user list problem

[Francesco Ariis]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 07:23:22PM +0200, maderios wrote:
>  Hi
> I cannot receive anymore debian-user list messages since I posted this
> message:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
> Yesterday, I posted a message to listmas...@lists.debian.org but I didn't
> get any answer.
> What can I do?
> Thanks for any help.
> Greetings

Hey Maderios,
have you checked debian-user messages aren't killed by
your spam filter or something similar? Or maybe that you aren't
receiving list messages in digest format? Are you receiving other
mailing list messages correctly?

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Fabien R]

On 10/10/2015 19:28, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:
> bonjour,
> 
> je n'arrive pas à accéder aux manpages sous bash en user et j'ai essayé
> avec zsh et tout est ok comment y arriver avec bash

Vérifie le contenu de ta variable MANPATH.

--
Fabien

Re: debian-user list problem

[maderios]

I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy. Sorry.
Some details:
I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french, 
digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted 
this message some days ago.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers 
me as a spammer.

--
Maderios

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:29:59AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> > I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> > Sorry. Some details:

[...]


> > I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> > me as a spammer.
> 
> If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* 
> emails, 
> not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your 
> emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is 
> Spam.  Have you checked?  
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.

Exactly. We can read your posts, no problem. Perhaps it's your mail provider
(googlemail) who's overdoing the spam filter?

Regards
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/etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[Dominic Hargreaves]

[Please CC me on replies]

Hi,

On my freshly installed Debian jessie system, running XFCE and
Network Manager, I'm seeing /etc/resolv.conf being blanked every so
often (it seems to be about every 20 minutes). I can't see what is doing
this; there's nothing in the system logs which correlates with this event.

I can't find anything on the web about this exact situation; plenty
of people talking about NetworkManager overwriting the file
unexpectedly, but not with it being completely blank. Immediately
after NM has activated the connection, resolv.conf is fine.

Does anyone have any thoughts about what might be going on or how to
investigate further?

Cheers,
Dominic.

Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 11 October 2015 05:56:40 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 10 October 2015 17:35:20 Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > I've got Chrome set in Preferences to "Ask" before running ANY
> > > plugin.
> >
> > When you say "preferences" where exactly do you mean?
>
> From Chrome Main Menu
>
> Settings->Show Advance Settings->Content Settings->Plugins  Click "Let
> me choose . . ."
>
> Don't know where it would be on Firefox/Iceweasel, if at all.
>
> B

Thanks.

Lisi

Re: debian-user list problem

[Brian]

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 12:04:20 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:29:59AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> > > I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> > > Sorry. Some details:
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
> > > I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> > > me as a spammer.
> > 
> > If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* 
> > emails, 
> > not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your 
> > emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is 
> > Spam.  Have you checked?  
> > 
> > There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.
> 
> Exactly. We can read your posts, no problem. Perhaps it's your mail provider
> (googlemail) who's overdoing the spam filter?

Being able to send a mail to the list is no indication of whether the
sender is subscribed. I would re-subscribe with the same or a different
address (or both) to test being able to receive mail from the list.

Re: debian-user list problem

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 11 October 2015 12:20:14 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote to Maderios:
> > You are still subscribed.
>
> Is he ?
> (Is there a list of members ?)

D'oh!  I was forgetting that this list is not subscribers only.

Lisi
>
> To Maderios:
> What happens if you try to subscribe again with the same
> e-mail address ?
>
> I cannot yet imagine how your mail of Oct 8 could unsubscribe
> you. But one never knows.
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is Spam.
>
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Perhaps it's your mail provider (googlemail) who's overdoing the
> > spam filter?
>
> One suspicious thing about my own echoed mails to debian-user is
> that they state to come from myself on a long round trip through
> the mail server network. At least the "Received:" headers tell so.
>   From: Thomas Schmitt 
>   Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Not all mail providers tolerate this despite the Resent-From header.
> The SYSLINUX mailing list meanwhile resends as
>   From: Thomas Schmitt via Syslinux 
>   Reply-To: Thomas Schmitt 
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas

Re: Debian 8, KDE Lockup

[ATrudyjane]

I had the same problem starting up KDE with a new installation of Debian 
8 with gdm as the selected display manager. In addition to that, there 
where GUI error messages that would pop up and disappear, but only when 
switching between desktops. Replacing gdm with LightDM as the display 
manager, uninstalling KDE, and then re-installing KDE from the 
appropriate repository (stretch) solved those problems. Running a 2010 
Samsung laptop with 6G ram, nvidia optimus card. Never figured out what 
caused the problem.


Andrea

Re: is google earth safe to install?

[Curt]

On 2015-10-10, Mario Castelán Castro  wrote:
>
> You want to hear "yes, I have been using it for years with no incident", 
> but that doesn't means it's secure. With the internals of the system 
> hidden from you, you will never be able to trust it.
>

That's what I tell my wife.

Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:23:03PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:39:02PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:05:53PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> > > [Please CC me on replies]
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On my freshly installed Debian jessie system, running XFCE and
> > > Network Manager, I'm seeing /etc/resolv.conf being blanked every so
> > > often (it seems to be about every 20 minutes). I can't see what is doing
> > > this; there's nothing in the system logs which correlates with this event.
> > 
> > See my other post: the brutal (but effective) self-defense tool I used
> > (back then, when NM was yet allowed on my boxes ;-) was to "chattr +i"
> > the file. With some luck I'd find complaints in the log files which helped
> > clear up which program (and in which context) was trying to do something
> > to the files.
> > 
> > The nice part of chattr is that it protects the direntry too (so the
> > obvious fall-back of removing and re-creating doesn't help).
> 
> But I *want* NM to update the file, and I don't have any evidence that
> it's NM blanking it here. So preventing updates isn't what I want.
> 
> Having said that, you're right that looking for complaints could be
> an effective debugging tool. I'll give that a go.

Yes, that was my primary aim too :-)

Some day those i-do-everything-and-i-know-better-than-you programs will
learn about chattr. Then we're hosed; so please you do it very quietly
and don't tell anybody ;-D

> I did just notice that there is a third state that the file sometimes
> ends up in, as well as the expected one which begins "Generated by
> Network Manager". This is a file which just contains one nameserver
> entry containing the IPv6 resolver. Odd.

Indeed.

regards
- -- tomás
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Re: [apt] geen updates

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hallo Richard,

Op 10-10-15 om 23:21 schreef Richard Lucassen:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:47:39 +0200
> Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> 
>>> Misschien een lijst genereren met de geinstalleerde packages en hun
>>> versienummers, op zowel een goed werkend systeem als een slecht
>>> werkend systeem, en dan een diff ?
>>
>> Misschien is dit zinnig:
>>
>> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/669/Cloning_a_Debian_system_-_identical_packages_and_versions
> 
> Ik vrees dat beide systemen gelijk zijn. Sterker nog: ze zijn gelijk.
> Zelfde package list, op de versies na dan...

Dan zou ik zeggen: maak de versies gelijk en kijk of het dan weer werkt.

Groet,
Paul.


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: Debian Wheezy 7.9 sin permisos sobre el sistema después de actualización

[Ramses]

El 11 de octubre de 2015 08:10:00 CEST, Frederit Mogollon 
 escribió:
>Este hilo se está haciendo muy largo.
>Para no extenderme más, hago un resumen del problema y lo solucionado
>hasta ahora (por favor, leer hasta el final):
>
>Sistema: Debian Wheezy + IceWM + SpaceFM + SLiM
>Ordenador: CPU 1,7 GHz + 512 RAM + HD 13 GB
>
>Instalación: NetInstall + paquetes oficiales + paquetes propietarios +
>scripts propios y de  terceros.
>
>Propósito: General, investigación científica.
>
>Comentarios de interés para esta consulta y breve historial de la
>instalación:
>
>1). Se creó 1 cuenta de usuario normal (tesistas) para varias personas.
>
>2). Recién instalado, se configuró el sistema para
>apagado/reinicio/cierre de sesión sin privilegios de superusuario:
>
>2.1). Como root, creé un grupo llamado salir.
>2.2). El usuario fue asignado al grupo salir.
>2.3). Los comandos /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/reboot y /sbin/halt se
>cambiaron al grupo salir.
>2.4).  Asigné permisos de lectura, escritura y ejecución para
>propietario, grupo y otros a los comandos del punto anterior.
>2.5). Creé enlaces simbólicos de /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/reboot y
>/sbin/halt hasta el directorio /usr/local/bin.
>2.6). Se editaron varias líneas del archivo /etc/sudoers de la
>siguiente forma:
> Defaults
>secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
> User_AliasUSERS = tesistas
> Cmnd_AliasSHUTDOWN = /usr/local/bin/shutdown,
>/usr/local/bin/halt, /usr/local/bin/reboot
> USERSALL = NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN
> USERSALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/poweroff
> %sudo   ALL = (ALL:ALL) ALL
>
>3). Desde el repositorio Wheezy-backports se requirió instalar
>p11-kit-modules:i386 y pepperfalashplayer-nonfree.
>
>4). Casi un año de instalado y todo funcionaba bien. Luego, varios
>meses atrás, hice "aptitude full-upgrade" con los repositorios
>Wheezy-backports habilitados.
>
>5). Hace unos 4-5 días hice "aptitude upgrade" instalándose la
>actualización para Wheezy 7.9.
>
>
>El problema:
>   Al usar el ordenador, hace un  par de días, noté que al intentar
>apagarlo o reiniciarlo entraba de nuevo en sesión. Al intentarlo desde
>la terminal de usuario me denegaba el acceso por falta de permisos.
>Igual resultado al intentarlo como superusuario.
>   Revisando me percaté de que tampoco tenía acceso a las tareas cron
>del usuario, sin privilegios de root, cuando antes lo podía hacer sin
>problemas.
>
>Solución parcial:
>   El problema con cron se solucionó al hacer "dpkg-reconfigure cron".
>
>Situación actual:
>   Aún no he podido solucionar lo de los permisos para
>apagado/reinicio. Al comprobar los permisos de los ejecutables
>/sbin/shutdown y /sbin/halt veo que el propietario y el grupo de
>ambos, tesistas y fuse, respectivamente, no tienen permisos de
>ejecución.
>
>A continuación pego el resultado:
>
>---
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/shutdown
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 14 abr 27 00:48 /usr/local/bin/shutdown ->
>/sbin/shutdown
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/shutdown
>-rw-r- 1 tesistas fuse 22192 abr 27 00:48 /sbin/shutdown
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/reboot
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 12 abr 27 00:49 /usr/local/bin/reboot ->
>/sbin/reboot
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/reboot
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/reboot -> halt
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/halt
>-rw-r- 1 tesistas fuse 13848 abr 27 00:49 /sbin/halt
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/poweroff
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/poweroff -> halt
>--
>
>
>Lo que llevo hecho:
>
>1/ Cambié los comandos /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/reboot y /sbin/halt  al
>grupo salir:
>
># chgrp salir  /sbin/shutdown  /sbin/reboot   /sbin/halt
>
>2/ Dí permisos de ejecución a los comandos /sbin/shutdown y /sbin/halt:
>
># chmod u+s,o-rwx  /sbin/shutdown   /sbin/halt
>
>3/ Revisé el estado de los permisos para estos comandos:
>
>-
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/shutdown
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 14 oct 10 21:21 /usr/local/bin/shutdown ->
>/sbin/shutdown
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/shutdown
>-rwSr- 1 tesistas salir 22192 abr 27 00:48 /sbin/shutdown
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/reboot
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 12 oct 10 21:22 /usr/local/bin/reboot ->
>/sbin/reboot
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/reboot
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/reboot -> halt
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas#  ls -l /sbin/halt
>-rwSr- 1 tesistas salir 13848 abr 27 00:49 /sbin/halt
>
>
>root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/poweroff
>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/poweroff -> halt
>
>
>
>Veo varias cosas:
>
>- /sbin/reboot no cambió de grupo, pero sí lo hicieron /sbin/shutdown
>y /sbin/halt.
>
>- No estoy seguro si están bien los permisos de los enlaces
>simbólicos: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff.
>
>- Sigo sin poder 

Putting apt-listchanges and dpkg output in mail sent by unattended-upgrades

[Ondřej Grover]

Hello,

I'm trying to configure unattended-upgrades to include apt-listchanges
output in the mail it sends me. I had a look at the Python
script /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade and it seems it forces apt-listchanges
to send a separate email. Is there a way around this?
One way I though of was to make apt-listchanges use the plain frontend and
include the whole dpkg log in the mail. However, I haven't found a setting
for that. Is there a way to set this? I think the problem might be that the
dpkg output is never returned in the script for some reason [1].
Failing that, what would be the best (in terms of Debian maintenance) way
to make a modification to the script? I figured I could make my own deb
package with a changed script, but what would be the most Debian-way-like
way to do that?

Kind regards,
Ondřej Grover

[1]
https://github.com/mvo5/unattended-upgrades/blob/debian/sid/unattended-upgrade#L833

Re: Debian Wheezy 7.9 sin permisos sobre el sistema después de actualización

[Manolo Díaz]

El domingo, 11 oct 2015 a las 06:10 UTC
Frederit Mogollon escribió:


> Lo que llevo hecho:
> 
> 1/ Cambié los comandos /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/reboot y /sbin/halt  al
> grupo salir:
> 
> # chgrp salir  /sbin/shutdown  /sbin/reboot   /sbin/halt
> 
> 2/ Dí permisos de ejecución a los comandos /sbin/shutdown y /sbin/halt:
> 
> # chmod u+s,o-rwx  /sbin/shutdown   /sbin/halt
> 
> 3/ Revisé el estado de los permisos para estos comandos:

[...]

> root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/shutdown
> -rwSr- 1 tesistas salir 22192 abr 27 00:48 /sbin/shutdown

[...]

> root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas#  ls -l /sbin/halt
> -rwSr- 1 tesistas salir 13848 abr 27 00:49 /sbin/halt

[...]
 
> - Sigo sin poder apagar/reiniciar como usuario normal ni como
> superusuario. No tengo permisos.

Efectivamente, no tienes permiso de ejecución para nadie en esos dos
ejecutables: tienes el bit setuid pero no permiso de ejecución para
root (indicado por la S mayúscula). Por otro lado, ¿para qué cambiar el
grupo si luego el grupo no tiene ningún permiso?

¿Has pensado en el enfoque de Ramses, dejar los permisos originales y
utilizar sudo?

-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: a little jessie whinage

[tomas]

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[...]

> (sudo chattr -i ) and wait until the perpetrator

Sorry. That would be "chattr +i"

regards
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Re: Debian Wheezy 7.9 sin permisos sobre el sistema después de actualización

[Frederit Mogollon]

Este hilo se está haciendo muy largo.
Para no extenderme más, hago un resumen del problema y lo solucionado
hasta ahora (por favor, leer hasta el final):

Sistema: Debian Wheezy + IceWM + SpaceFM + SLiM
Ordenador: CPU 1,7 GHz + 512 RAM + HD 13 GB

Instalación: NetInstall + paquetes oficiales + paquetes propietarios +
scripts propios y de  terceros.

Propósito: General, investigación científica.

Comentarios de interés para esta consulta y breve historial de la instalación:

1). Se creó 1 cuenta de usuario normal (tesistas) para varias personas.

2). Recién instalado, se configuró el sistema para
apagado/reinicio/cierre de sesión sin privilegios de superusuario:

2.1). Como root, creé un grupo llamado salir.
2.2). El usuario fue asignado al grupo salir.
2.3). Los comandos /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/reboot y /sbin/halt se
cambiaron al grupo salir.
2.4).  Asigné permisos de lectura, escritura y ejecución para
propietario, grupo y otros a los comandos del punto anterior.
2.5). Creé enlaces simbólicos de /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/reboot y
/sbin/halt hasta el directorio /usr/local/bin.
2.6). Se editaron varias líneas del archivo /etc/sudoers de la siguiente forma:
 Defaults
secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
 User_AliasUSERS = tesistas
 Cmnd_AliasSHUTDOWN = /usr/local/bin/shutdown,
/usr/local/bin/halt, /usr/local/bin/reboot
 USERSALL = NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN
 USERSALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/poweroff
 %sudo   ALL = (ALL:ALL) ALL

3). Desde el repositorio Wheezy-backports se requirió instalar
p11-kit-modules:i386 y pepperfalashplayer-nonfree.

4). Casi un año de instalado y todo funcionaba bien. Luego, varios
meses atrás, hice "aptitude full-upgrade" con los repositorios
Wheezy-backports habilitados.

5). Hace unos 4-5 días hice "aptitude upgrade" instalándose la
actualización para Wheezy 7.9.


El problema:
   Al usar el ordenador, hace un  par de días, noté que al intentar
apagarlo o reiniciarlo entraba de nuevo en sesión. Al intentarlo desde
la terminal de usuario me denegaba el acceso por falta de permisos.
Igual resultado al intentarlo como superusuario.
   Revisando me percaté de que tampoco tenía acceso a las tareas cron
del usuario, sin privilegios de root, cuando antes lo podía hacer sin
problemas.

Solución parcial:
   El problema con cron se solucionó al hacer "dpkg-reconfigure cron".

Situación actual:
   Aún no he podido solucionar lo de los permisos para
apagado/reinicio. Al comprobar los permisos de los ejecutables
/sbin/shutdown y /sbin/halt veo que el propietario y el grupo de
ambos, tesistas y fuse, respectivamente, no tienen permisos de
ejecución.

A continuación pego el resultado:

---
root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/shutdown
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 14 abr 27 00:48 /usr/local/bin/shutdown ->
/sbin/shutdown


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/shutdown
-rw-r- 1 tesistas fuse 22192 abr 27 00:48 /sbin/shutdown


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/reboot
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 12 abr 27 00:49 /usr/local/bin/reboot -> /sbin/reboot


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/reboot
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/reboot -> halt


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/halt
-rw-r- 1 tesistas fuse 13848 abr 27 00:49 /sbin/halt


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/poweroff
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/poweroff -> halt
--


Lo que llevo hecho:

1/ Cambié los comandos /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/reboot y /sbin/halt  al
grupo salir:

# chgrp salir  /sbin/shutdown  /sbin/reboot   /sbin/halt

2/ Dí permisos de ejecución a los comandos /sbin/shutdown y /sbin/halt:

# chmod u+s,o-rwx  /sbin/shutdown   /sbin/halt

3/ Revisé el estado de los permisos para estos comandos:

-
root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/shutdown
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 14 oct 10 21:21 /usr/local/bin/shutdown ->
/sbin/shutdown


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/shutdown
-rwSr- 1 tesistas salir 22192 abr 27 00:48 /sbin/shutdown


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /usr/local/bin/reboot
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 12 oct 10 21:22 /usr/local/bin/reboot -> /sbin/reboot


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/reboot
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/reboot -> halt


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas#  ls -l /sbin/halt
-rwSr- 1 tesistas salir 13848 abr 27 00:49 /sbin/halt


root@Tesistas:/home/tesistas# ls -l /sbin/poweroff
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/poweroff -> halt



Veo varias cosas:

- /sbin/reboot no cambió de grupo, pero sí lo hicieron /sbin/shutdown
y /sbin/halt.

- No estoy seguro si están bien los permisos de los enlaces
simbólicos: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff.

- Sigo sin poder apagar/reiniciar como usuario normal ni como
superusuario. No tengo permisos.


Con esto me doy cuenta que mis conocimientos sobre GNU/Linux aún son
muy limitados. Sin embargo, el sentido común me dice que falta algo
que permita apagar/reiniciar 

Re: debian-user list problem

[Francesco Ariis]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:08:34PM +0200, maderios wrote:
> Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user list
> problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail from
> other threads.
> About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.

You are receiving mails because people put you in Carbon Copy (Cc:).
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/503224 check this thread
for all the messages.

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:31:47PM +0200, maderios wrote:

[...]

> Hi
> I could subscribe 'normaly' 3 minute ago to this list.
> I don't understand because I never unscribed myself. Only me (or my
> cat :)  ) can use my computer... May be a bug?

or a cat.

regards
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Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Francois Lafont]

Bonjour,

On 10/10/2015 19:28, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:

> je n'arrive pas à accéder aux manpages sous bash en user et j'ai essayé
> avec zsh et tout est ok comment y arriver avec bash

Il faudrait que tu donnes plus d'éléments je pense.

1. Il faudrait que tu donnes un exemple de commande « man  » qui
   marche en zsh mais pas en bash (ainsi que le message d'erreur sous bash).

2. Sous zsh, il faudrait que tu reprennes la commande man qui fonctionne
   sous zsh mais pas sous bash et que tu y ajoutes l'option « -w », ce qui
   donne donc « man -w  ». Cela donnera l'emplacement du fichier
   qui est trouvé sous zsh (mais non trouvé sous bash).

3. Sous bash, il faudrait que tu donnes les résultats des commandes suivantes :
 a. echo $MANPATH
 b. manpath


-- 
François Lafont

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:40:15PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 14:15:15 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > > Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
> > > 
> > > How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?
> > 
> > Crystal ball. Plus... reading mail headers (some excerpts):
> 
> I think I prefer the crystal ball method. :)

I was too terse. I wanted to say that my method involves crystal ball
parts and header reading parts.

> > | From bounce-debian-user=tomas=tuxteam...@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 11 
> > 13:34:12 2015
> > | [...]
> > | Received: from bendel.debian.org ([82.195.75.100])
> > | [...]
> > | DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> > | d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
> > | [...]
> > | X-Received: by 10.194.52.106 with SMTP id 
> > s10mr23519981wjo.35.1444565316213;
> > | Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > | Received: from [192.168.2.21] (ARouen-655-1-43-67.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr. 
> > [92.152.186.67])
> > | by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 
> > r4sm6597978wia.19.2015.10.11.05.08.35
> > | (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
> > | Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > | Message-ID: <561a5142@gmail.com>
> > | [...]
> 
> This shows a mail received by bendel.debian.org *from* gmail. It says 
> nothing about the OP's subscribed address (where mails are *sent to*
> from the list). It does show your subscribed address, however.

This is the crystal ball part :-)

> I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
> of the first mail in this thread is.
> 
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, 
> 
> 
> DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,
> 
> RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no 
> version=3.4.0

This is the spam checker on Bendel: if this one got triggered, we wouldn't
see the original poster's mail at all (with some additional crystal ball
I'd say that is one of the factors Spam Assassin is using is that the sender
is LDO ("lists.debian.org" suggests itself) subscriber, which probably 
(hopefully?)
will lower the spam score.

regards
- -- tomás
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Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[Dominic Hargreaves]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:47:57PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Dominic Hargreaves a écrit :
> > 
> > I did just notice that there is a third state that the file sometimes
> > ends up in, as well as the expected one which begins "Generated by
> > Network Manager". This is a file which just contains one nameserver
> > entry containing the IPv6 resolver. Odd.
> 
> That may be generated from received IPv6 router advertisements (RA) by
> rdnssd if installed. In that case, you can remove this package if you
> don't need DNS resolution through the IPv6 server. Otherwise, check
> whether the package resolvconf is installed.

Aha! Thanks for the clue.

The problem appears to have gone away after removing rdnssd, so I assume
it was a particularly severe case of #740998 (an RC bug which was sadly
not fixed in jessie).

I'll follow up on that bug (and probably a new bug against
debian-installer to have rdnssd not installed).

Thanks,
Dominic.

Re: debian-user list problem

[Brian]

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 15:17:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:40:15PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
> > of the first mail in this thread is.
> > 
> > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,   
> >   
> > 
> > DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,  
> >   
> > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no 
> > version=3.4.0
> 
> This is the spam checker on Bendel: if this one got triggered, we wouldn't
> see the original poster's mail at all (with some additional crystal ball
> I'd say that is one of the factors Spam Assassin is using is that the sender
> is LDO ("lists.debian.org" suggests itself) subscriber, which probably 
> (hopefully?)
> will lower the spam score.

The implication being that the poster was subscribed to -user at the
time (Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:23:22 +0200) the mail was received?

Re: Debian deja el Linux Standard Base. :(

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:22:42 +0200, Manolo Díaz escribió:

> El sábado, 10 oct 2015 a las 16:22 UTC Camaleón escribió:
> 
>> > Me gustaría ver una aplicación como Oracle Database 11g o 12c,
>> > cumpliendo con el estándar LSB, y pudiendo ser instalada sin
>> > inconvenientes en Oracle Linux, SuSE Linux, OpenSuSE, Ubuntu y por
>> > supuesto Debian, incluyendo por supuesto el soporte de Oracle, asi
>> > fuese de pago.
>> 
>> (...)
>> 
>> Mal ejemplo: algo me dice que Oracle Database es software propietario
>> así que no deberías ni tenerlo en cuenta siquiera como candidato a
>> cumplir el LSB ;-)
> 
> Pues algo me dice a mí que no has entendido qué es el LSB. Porque, sea
> propietario o no, si se anuncia como compatible LSB debe poderse
> instalar sin más en cualquier distribución que también se proclame como
> tal.

Pues a mí me parece que tú no entiendes lo que significa "software 
propietario". Básicamente quiere decir que hacen lo que les da la gana 
sin más explicaciones; si te gusta lo pagas y si no instalas MariaDB.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Debian Wheezy 7.9 sin permisos sobre el sistema después de actualización

[Frederit Mogollon]

2015-10-11 4:40 GMT-04:30, Manolo Díaz :
> El domingo, 11 oct 2015 a las 06:10 UTC
> Frederit Mogollon escribió:
>

>
>> - Sigo sin poder apagar/reiniciar como usuario normal ni como
>> superusuario. No tengo permisos.
>
> Efectivamente, no tienes permiso de ejecución para nadie en esos dos
> ejecutables: tienes el bit setuid pero no permiso de ejecución para
> root (indicado por la S mayúscula). Por otro lado, ¿para qué cambiar el
> grupo si luego el grupo no tiene ningún permiso?
>
> ¿Has pensado en el enfoque de Ramses, dejar los permisos originales y
> utilizar sudo?
>
> --
> Manolo Díaz
>
>


Hola Ramses, Manolo I

En el sudoers sigue todo como lo especifique desde un principio.

Voy a probar con usar los permisos originales a ver que tal. Les cuento.

Como dato, añado que he estado apagando la máquina dejando presionado
el botón de encendido del case/cpu, ayer lo intenté desde una terminal
root con el comando
# init 0

y me envió a la consola tty1 con el mensaje siguiente

Debian GNU t Tesistas tty1
Tesistas login : [8700.289287] EXT4-fs (sda1): remount. Opts: (null)
INIT: no more process left in this runlevel


y allí se quedó congelada. Igual tuve que apagarla por el botón del case.

fdm

Re: Debian Wheezy 7.9 sin permisos sobre el sistema después de actualización

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 11 Oct 2015 01:40:00 -0430, Frederit Mogollon escribió:

> Este hilo se está haciendo muy largo.
> Para no extenderme más, hago un resumen del problema y lo solucionado
> hasta ahora (por favor, leer hasta el final):

(...)

> 1). Se creó 1 cuenta de usuario normal (tesistas) para varias personas.
> 
> 2). Recién instalado, se configuró el sistema para
> apagado/reinicio/cierre de sesión sin privilegios de superusuario:

(...)

Creo que aquí está el lío con el cambio de ruta, usuarios, grupos, 
permisos. A mí "sudo" no me gusta, pero mira el Método 2 que usan 
en esta guía.

How to allow non-super users to shutdown computer in Linux
http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_allow_non-super_users_to_shutdown_computer_in_Linux

> Situación actual:
>Aún no he podido solucionar lo de los permisos para
> apagado/reinicio. Al comprobar los permisos de los ejecutables
> /sbin/shutdown y /sbin/halt veo que el propietario y el grupo de ambos,
> tesistas y fuse, respectivamente, no tienen permisos de ejecución.

(...)

> Lo que llevo hecho:

(...)
 
> - Sigo sin poder apagar/reiniciar como usuario normal ni como
> superusuario. No tengo permisos.
> 
> 
> Con esto me doy cuenta que mis conocimientos sobre GNU/Linux aún son muy
> limitados. Sin embargo, el sentido común me dice que falta algo que
> permita apagar/reiniciar el sistema.

Bueno, por lo general (99%) siempre hay alguien que ha pasado por la 
misma situación antes que tú, sólo hay que buscar en Google y ver 
cómo lo resolvieron :-)

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 03:01:23PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 15:17:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:40:15PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > > I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
> > > of the first mail in this thread is.
> > > 
> > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,
> > > 
> > > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no 
> > > version=3.4.0
> > 
> > This is the spam checker on Bendel: if this one got triggered, we wouldn't
> > see the original poster's mail at all (with some additional crystal ball
> > I'd say that is one of the factors Spam Assassin is using is that the sender
> > is LDO ("lists.debian.org" suggests itself) subscriber, which probably 
> > (hopefully?)
> > will lower the spam score.
> 
> The implication being that the poster was subscribed to -user at the
> time (Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:23:22 +0200) the mail was received?

That's more than what my crystal ball can tell: -user? or just any debian.org
list? Only postmasters know...

regards
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Re: Debian deja el Linux Standard Base. :(

[German Cardozo]

2015-10-11 4:22 GMT-04:30 Javier Silva :
>
> Entonces las aplicaciones de terceros como VMware y sus bundles
> (Workstation, Horizon View, etc.) que utilizan comandos de la LSB para
> instalar/actualizar sus paquetes, ven que Debian no es LSB compatible,
> dejarán de poder ser instalados?
>
> Evidente resulta que estos paquetes no están en los repositorios de Debian,
> pero se necesitan instalar en empresas.
>
> Estoy errado o al igual de VMware hay otras herramientas que necesitas de
> estos para su instalación?

Los productos de VMware no están certificados como LSB. Harán uso de
algunas de sus herramientas, en especial las que actualmente Debian
deja a disposición en los paquetes lsb-base y lsb-release.

Quedará a jucio de VMware Inc., si es un obstáculo para sus nuevas
versiones, o si consideran que el sistema operativo Debian deja de ser
un objetivo para ellos. A mi juicio, si nuncan han certificado este
producto como LSB, y solo hacen uso de algunas herramientas o
librerías, como por ejemplo la identificación del sistema o el manejo
del estándar Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS), el cual no creo que
Debian incumpla a mediano plazo, no veo razón para no seguir liberando
nuevas versiones que soporten este sistema.

Existen muchas herramientas de software propietario que hacen uso de
LSB, aun no estando certificadas. De momento recuerdo HP OpenView y HP
Operations Manager for Unix. Así mismo, drivers y hasta software libre
que hace uso de algunas de ellas. Pero no he conseguido hasta ahora
alguna que haga uso extensivo de ellas, lo cual con la decisión
tomada, pudiera implicar que deje de instalarse o funcionar
correctamente.

Si dejasen de soportarlo, y están en su potestad de hacerlo, quizá
sería como retaliación y/o medida de presión para provocar que Debian
reconsidere la medida, no sería una decisión por razones técnicas. Sin
embargo, pienso que hay suficiente software libre como para cubrir
todas las necesidades, mas aún en temas de virtualización.

-- 
German Cardozo Chirinos
~ memento mori ~

:wq!

Re: debian-user list problem

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 10/11/2015 05:08 AM, maderios wrote:


Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail
from other threads.
About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.


Maderios is your problem that you do not see 'your' post in your inbox?
If that is your problem, gmail is not going to put your post in your 
inbox, you have a folder named 'all mail', use it and you will find your 
post there and it will display your post in treaded form for you.

--
Debian Jessie - KDE 4.14.2  - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[Pascal Hambourg]

Dominic Hargreaves a écrit :
> 
> I did just notice that there is a third state that the file sometimes
> ends up in, as well as the expected one which begins "Generated by
> Network Manager". This is a file which just contains one nameserver
> entry containing the IPv6 resolver. Odd.

That may be generated from received IPv6 router advertisements (RA) by
rdnssd if installed. In that case, you can remove this package if you
don't need DNS resolution through the IPv6 server. Otherwise, check
whether the package resolvconf is installed.

Re: debian-user list problem

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 11 October 2015 13:08:34 maderios wrote:
> On 10/11/2015 12:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:
> >> I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
> >> Sorry. Some details:
> >> I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
> >> digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
> >> All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
> >> this message some days ago.
> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
> >> I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
> >> me as a spammer.
> >
> > If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your*
> > emails, not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are
> > getting your emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the
> > Debian List is Spam.  Have you checked?
> >
> > There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail
> from other threads.
> About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.

Some of us are sending you personal copies in this thread to make sure that 
you get them.  E.g I have with this one.  

Have you tried to re-subscribe as others have suggested?  It's worth a try - I 
had forgotten that this list is not subscribers only, so your emails could 
reach us even if you were not subscribed.

Lisi

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

> > Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
> 
> How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?

Crystal ball. Plus... reading mail headers (some excerpts):

| From bounce-debian-user=tomas=tuxteam...@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 11 13:34:12 
2015
| [...]
| Received: from bendel.debian.org ([82.195.75.100])
| [...]
| DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
| d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
| [...]
| X-Received: by 10.194.52.106 with SMTP id s10mr23519981wjo.35.1444565316213;
| Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
| Received: from [192.168.2.21] (ARouen-655-1-43-67.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr. 
[92.152.186.67])
| by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 
r4sm6597978wia.19.2015.10.11.05.08.35
| (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
| Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT)
| Message-ID: <561a5142@gmail.com>
| [...]

But my guess wrt the problem was nevertheless wrong :-)

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Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

[Richard Owlett]

Peter Berlau wrote:

Hello,


Can You please help me?

i updated all of our computer to Debian 8 jessie

hardware
 1. 64 bit Intel ( noname ) 4 GB-RAM .. o.k.
 2. apple powerbook ( 2004 ) 2 GB RAM.. no sound
 3. apple iMac ( 2010 ) 8 GB RAM  ..  o.k.

i installed on all these 'xfce'  this runs ok
as I see, here in list, some problems are solved if switched to
gnome ?



If you don't like the "look and feel" of Gnome3 (many don't), I 
find Mate to be comfortable to use.






Other Probs i have

WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong
argument" I did not know what this mean or
what i should do...


Links and sub-links from 
https://www.google.com/search?q=Officejet+7500++scan+problem+site:debian.org 
may be useful.




in one of the computers i like to install grup to the second hd
/dev/sdb, because the /dev/sda is has errors and i like to
replace it, therefore i need to boot from the /dev/sdb2.


That is possible if your BIOS allows specifying the boot device.
During the install, you may have to chose the "expert 
installation" mode to have the option.



[snip Mac question]

i like to have a Notebook 17" for Debian/GNU two
must run windows ( Band in a Box and Sibelius ) but mostly ( >
95% ) run Debian/GNU Linux jessie
I am not familar with hardware
Budget is  € 820,- maximal...
need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double
- pages )
I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?


I find my used Lenovo laptops (T43 and R61) reliable.

If one of your existing machines is suitable except for display 
size, have you considered a digital TV as a monitor. I just 
purchased a rather generic DTV and note even it has computer 
input options. I believe I've seen some advertising WiFi 
connectivity.




Thanks for Help,
best regards,
  Peter
p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)



Your English is fine.

If you are more comfortable in German, some resources might be:
   https://www.google.com/search?q="linux+user+group"+Germany
   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:14:34 +0200,
Francois Lafont  a écrit :

> On 11/10/2015 15:48, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:
> 
> > man -w man
> > nocorrect: command not found  
> 
> Houlà... Tu pourrais donner le résultat d'un (sous bash) s'il te
> plaît :
> 
> type man
> 
> Et si utilises le chemin absolu :
> 
> /usr/bin/man man
> 
> ça marche ?
> 

bonjour,

résultat : type man
man est un alias vers « nocorrect man »

en employant : "/usr/bin/man man"  c'est tout bon ...

slt
bernard

Re: a little jessie whinage

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 11 October 2015 05:37:30 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 08:51:18PM -0600, Glenn English wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > The problem with that is that there's a line at the top of the
> > resolv.conf: "Generated by NetworkManager." [...]
>
> A reason why I avoid NetworkManager since long (this has lead me
> towards a leaner system overall ;-)
>
> But one neat (and often forgotten) tool to debug the situation
> "something is messing with a file and I don't know who does what
> when" is chattr: just set the immutable attribute on the file
> (sudo chattr -i ) and wait until the perpetrator
> falls flat on its face (possibly complaining loudly).

Network-mangler hasn't got the Chutzpah to complain when it finds that a, 
you've destroyed the link called /etc/resolv.conf to the file it links 
resov.conf to, and created your own correct version in place of that 
link. But just in case it gets smarter in its dotage, I chattr that 
created file to be read only.  End of problem for a small hosts file 
based local home network.  DNS queries are pointed at the router, 
running dd-wrt. So all machines have unlimited internet access too.

Actually, I think it probably does work on the file, but the link to make 
that file active no longer exists on my machines.  Once thats been done, 
then N-M can be removed IF the system isn't destroyed by the 
dependencies some distro's seem to put in the way just to harrass us 
into fighting with a brainless POS pile of code.  Removing it from the 
startup may be the best you can do to keep it from burning cpu cycles 
spinning its wheels.

And I don't have a quarter to call someone who cares & says its incorrect 
because it Just Works(TM).

> Sometimes this even "fixes" the problem (for some dubious value
> of "fixing", granted -- but in a pinch...)
>
> hth
> -- tomás


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Machine freezes after kernel update

[Miroslav Skoric]

On 10/10/2015 09:33 PM, Piyavkin wrote:



Miroslav, by the way, what version of BIOS your laptop has?




Insyde F15

Re: Debian Wheezy 7.9 sin permisos sobre el sistema después de actualización [SOLUCIONADO]

[Frederit Mogollon]

2015-10-11 11:31 GMT-04:30, Frederit Mogollon :

> Las configuraciones que había hecho para apagar/reiniciar sin
> privilegios de superusuario solo las llevé a cabo luego de una buena
> búsqueda en Google. Y todo salió bien. Y es una de las normas de la
> lista, buscar primero antes de caer a preguntar sin más... eso lo he
> aprendido desde que estoy usando Debian.
>
> Sin embargo, la duda que me embarga está planteada arriba, y no se me
> quita de la mente que algo de la última actualización tuvo que ver...
> no hay otra manera. En base a ello, estuve revisando en la Internet, y
> hasta ayer no había hallado respuesta.
>
> Seguiré intentando.
>
>
>
> Bueno, gracias a todos los que me echaron la mano. Es genial contar
> con una comunidad dispuesta a yudar. Espero más temprano que tarde,
> poder contribuir a la lista, para retribuir toda la ayuda que me han
> prestado en estos años.
>
>
> Saludos
>
> fdm
>


Ahhh... casi lo olvido. Marco este tema como [SOLUCIONADO]

Re: debian-user list problem

[maderios]

On 10/11/2015 12:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:

I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
Sorry. Some details:
I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
this message some days ago.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
me as a spammer.


If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your* emails,
not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are getting your
emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the Debian List is
Spam.  Have you checked?

There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.

Lisi

Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user 
list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail 
from other threads.

About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.

--
Maderios

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:10:17PM +0200, Francesco Ariis wrote:

> You are receiving mails because people put you in Carbon Copy (Cc:).
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/503224 check this thread
> for all the messages.

Yep, that makes sense (and weakens my hypothesis elsewhere in this thread).

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gnome mouse configuration

[Peter Berlau]

Hello,

under 'xfce' i could configure every mouse separately,
does this configuration options exist under gnome too?

Thanks for advice,
best regards,
Peter


(hint:   I'm left-handed, my women is right-handed 
 so we use(d) different mouses  )

  

Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:34:04PM +0300, Reco wrote:

[...]

> Setting immutable bit is a crude,

definitely :-)

>   but effective technique indeed. But
> there's less destructive approach called auditd.

Thanks for this hint. May turn useful some day. To be honest, I expected
some massive thing playing LD_PRELOAD games, but it seems that most of
the work is done in the kernel's audit framework.

Regards
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Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:08:34PM +0200, maderios wrote:

[...]

> Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive
> mail from other threads.
> About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.

This smells *strongly* of some "smart" mail pre-filtering[1] being
done at Google's side (I have seen this also on Microsoft services):
MTA drops the mail (when you're lucky your MTA gets a reject); this
ban is lifted partially when you first mail the other side, so there's
"correspondence"[2].

The gorillas breaking mail, because they can get away with it, if you
ask me.

Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.

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[1] Don't get mi wrong: I'm all for getting rid of most spam "at the
  beginning", but once you accept a mail at MTA level you *must* deal
  with it.

[2] Just conclusions from incomplete observations: I might well be
  wrong!

Regards
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Re: debian-user list problem

[maderios]

On 10/11/2015 02:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Sunday 11 October 2015 13:08:34 maderios wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:29 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Sunday 11 October 2015 11:18:25 maderios wrote:

I try to answer. I have to read first the web page, it's not so easy.
Sorry. Some details:
I subscribed for many years to debian-user, debian-user-french,
digikam-users, enlightenment-users.
All works perfectly *now*, except for debian-user list since I posted
this message some days ago.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00201.html
I try to understand what happens. I wonder if debian-user list considers
me as a spammer.


If it considered you a spammer, it would be *we* who do not get *your*
emails, not the other way round.  You are still subscribed.  We are
getting your emails.  Perhaps *your* spam checker has decided that the
Debian List is Spam.  Have you checked?

There doesn't seem to be a problem this end.  It really must be your end.

Lisi


Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail
from other threads.
About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.


Some of us are sending you personal copies in this thread to make sure that
you get them.  E.g I have with this one.

Have you tried to re-subscribe as others have suggested?  It's worth a try - I
had forgotten that this list is not subscribers only, so your emails could
reach us even if you were not subscribed.

Lisi


Hi
I could subscribe 'normaly' 3 minute ago to this list.
I don't understand because I never unscribed myself. Only me (or my cat 
:)  ) can use my computer... May be a bug?

I hope it works now.
Thanks to everybody
Greetings

--
Maderios

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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> I think it just means that some of us are cc-ing him, :-)

See my other mail: definitely the more plausible explanation :-)

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Re: debian-user list problem

[Brian]

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 13:43:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:08:34PM +0200, maderios wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> > list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive
> > mail from other threads.
> > About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.
> 
> This smells *strongly* of some "smart" mail pre-filtering[1] being
> done at Google's side (I have seen this also on Microsoft services):
> MTA drops the mail (when you're lucky your MTA gets a reject); this
> ban is lifted partially when you first mail the other side, so there's
> "correspondence"[2].
> 
> The gorillas breaking mail, because they can get away with it, if you
> ask me.
> 
> Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.

How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?

Re: debian-user list problem

[Brian]

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 14:15:15 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:37:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
> > 
> > How do you work out that the OP's subscription address is a gmail one?
> 
> Crystal ball. Plus... reading mail headers (some excerpts):

I think I prefer the crystal ball method. :)

> | From bounce-debian-user=tomas=tuxteam...@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 11 
> 13:34:12 2015
> | [...]
> | Received: from bendel.debian.org ([82.195.75.100])
> | [...]
> | DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> | d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
> | [...]
> | X-Received: by 10.194.52.106 with SMTP id s10mr23519981wjo.35.1444565316213;
> | Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT)
> | Received: from [192.168.2.21] (ARouen-655-1-43-67.w92-152.abo.wanadoo.fr. 
> [92.152.186.67])
> | by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 
> r4sm6597978wia.19.2015.10.11.05.08.35
> | (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
> | Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT)
> | Message-ID: <561a5142@gmail.com>
> | [...]

This shows a mail received by bendel.debian.org *from* gmail. It says 
nothing about the OP's subscribed address (where mails are *sent to*
from the list). It does show your subscribed address, however.

I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
of the first mail in this thread is.

X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,   
  
DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,  
  
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:25:12 +0200,
Francois Lafont  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> On 10/10/2015 19:28, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:
> 
> > je n'arrive pas à accéder aux manpages sous bash en user et j'ai
> > essayé avec zsh et tout est ok comment y arriver avec bash  
> 
> Il faudrait que tu donnes plus d'éléments je pense.
> 
> 1. Il faudrait que tu donnes un exemple de commande « man  »
> qui marche en zsh mais pas en bash (ainsi que le message d'erreur
> sous bash).
> 
> 2. Sous zsh, il faudrait que tu reprennes la commande man qui
> fonctionne sous zsh mais pas sous bash et que tu y ajoutes l'option «
> -w », ce qui donne donc « man -w  ». Cela donnera
> l'emplacement du fichier qui est trouvé sous zsh (mais non trouvé
> sous bash).
> 
> 3. Sous bash, il faudrait que tu donnes les résultats des commandes
> suivantes : a. echo $MANPATH
>  b. manpath
> 
> 

bonjour,

echo $MANPATH ne donne rien ...

manpath
/usr/local/man:/usr/local/share/man:/usr/share/man

test man ( bash ) :

man -w man
nocorrect: command not found

en root pas de problème avec bash ou zsh


avec zsh ( user ou sudoer ):

 man -w man
/usr/share/man/fr/man1/man.1.gz

avec bash (user) :

man -w man
nocorrect: command not found

bref, j'y perd mon latin

slt
bernard

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Francois Lafont]

On 11/10/2015 15:48, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:

> man -w man
> nocorrect: command not found

Houlà... Tu pourrais donner le résultat d'un (sous bash) s'il te plaît :

type man

Et si utilises le chemin absolu :

/usr/bin/man man

ça marche ?

-- 
François Lafont

Re: is google earth safe to install?

[Timothy Hobbs]

PRISM has been watching you for years with no incident.


On 2015-10-10, Mario Castelán Castro  wrote:

You want to hear "yes, I have been using it for years with no incident",
but that doesn't means it's secure. With the internals of the system
hidden from you, you will never be able to trust it.


That's what I tell my wife.

Re: Debian deja el Linux Standard Base. :(

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:03:21 -0430, German Cardozo escribió:

> 2015-10-10 11:52 GMT-04:30 Camaleón :
>> (...)
>> Nada impide mejorar, ampliar y redefinir las especificaciones del LSB
>> para que se ajusten a las necesidades reales de las distribuciones. Si
>> algo falla pero la base es buena siempre se puede corregir y creo que
>> lo que intenta conseguir el LSB unificando criterios muy básicos en los
>> sistemas linux es del todo acertado.
>>
>>
> Inocuo y sin resultados importantes a la vista.

No comparto esa apreciación. Si fuera inocuo y sin resultados aparentes 
ninguna distribución linuxera destinaría recursos a cumplir con la 
especificación.

No digo que no sea mejorable, pero supongo que no debe ser fácil intentar 
poner de acuerdo a las 3 gordas: SuSE Linux, Redhat y Ubuntu.

>>> Me gustaría ver una aplicación como Oracle Database 11g o 12c,
>>> cumpliendo con el estándar LSB, y pudiendo ser instalada sin
>>> inconvenientes en Oracle Linux, SuSE Linux, OpenSuSE, Ubuntu y por
>>> supuesto Debian, incluyendo por supuesto el soporte de Oracle, asi
>>> fuese de pago.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Mal ejemplo: algo me dice que Oracle Database es software propietario
>> así que no deberías ni tenerlo en cuenta siquiera como candidato a
>> cumplir el LSB ;-)
>>
>>
> ¿Y RedHat, SuSE y Oracle Linux, son Software Libre en el sentido
> estricto del concepto? 

Lo son, claro.

> No niego sus aportes, pero: ¿En qué beneficia a un proyecto como Debian?
> y viceversa: ¿Qué beneficio obtienen ellos de Debian?

¿Te refieres a qué aportan Redhat, SuSE, UBuntu, Oracle... a Debian? No 
estamos hablando de eso, no viene al caso. Si te refieres a qué aporta la 
especificación LSB a Debian pues un garantía mínima de interoperabilidad.

> En un escenario hipotético, si Oracle Linux y Debian estan certificados
> para  LSB 4.0, y la pregunta es casi capsiosa: ¿Qué impide que sus
> aplicativos sean interoperables entre plataforma? En ninguna parte,
> donde he revisado, indica que LSB sea solo para licencias compatibles
> con GPL o de licencia libre, pudiendo adherirse al estándar aplicaciones
> con licencia propietaria.

No veo la relación entre que una aplicación o sistema propietario esté 
certificado para LSB con la importancia de estar en la lista de sistemas 
o aplicaciones compatibles/certificadas. Cada fabricante puede hacer lo 
que estime más oportuno según su estrategia, pero obviamente poner como 
ejemplo un software propietario pues tiene menos sentido aún. Simplemente 
hará lo que sus accionistas quieran.

El ejemplo que he puesto de las distribuciones grandes (que sí se 
adhieren al LSB) venía a colación para mostrar que sí es importante 
mantenerse adherido al estándar, o que al menos las distribuciones 
grandes así lo consideran y así lo mantienen.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Francois Lafont]

On 11/10/2015 16:51, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:

> résultat : type man
> man est un alias vers « nocorrect man »

Ok, j'ignore complètement ce que c'est que cette commande "nocorrect".

> en employant : "/usr/bin/man man"  c'est tout bon ...

Du coup, tu cherches dans ta conf (peut-être dans ton .bashrc) la ligne
qui définit l'alias "man" et tu la commentes. Ou bien peut-être que tu
peux installer cette fameuse commande "nocorrect" mais personnellement
j'ignore de quel paquet elle provient et j'ignore complètement ce que fait
cette commande.

-- 
François Lafont

Re: debian-user list problem

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 11 October 2015 12:43:50 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:08:34PM +0200, maderios wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> > list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive
> > mail from other threads.
> > About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.
>
> This smells *strongly* of some "smart" mail pre-filtering[1] being
> done at Google's side 

I think it just means that some of us are cc-ing him, :-)

Lisi

> (I have seen this also on Microsoft services): 
> MTA drops the mail (when you're lucky your MTA gets a reject); this
> ban is lifted partially when you first mail the other side, so there's
> "correspondence"[2].
>
> The gorillas breaking mail, because they can get away with it, if you
> ask me.
>
> Complain at Google. Perhaps it helps.
>
> - - - - - - - - -
> [1] Don't get mi wrong: I'm all for getting rid of most spam "at the
>   beginning", but once you accept a mail at MTA level you *must* deal
>   with it.
>
> [2] Just conclusions from incomplete observations: I might well be
>   wrong!
>
> Regards
> - -- tomás

Re: linux de dos nucleos pasarlo a uno

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:19:12 -0300, Fabián Bonetti escribió:

> Cambie de mother y micro...
> 
> Antes tenia un doble nucleo ahora un micro nucleo simple
> 
> pero me sigue apareciendo como si tuviera dos nucleos

(...)

Pues esa suerte que tienes :-)

El kernel es "plug/acpi/apic/smp...", lo que detecta es lo que hay 
salvo que se haya configurado manualmente la BIOS para que haga otra cosa.
 
Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Debian Wheezy 7.9 sin permisos sobre el sistema después de actualización

[Frederit Mogollon]

Para lo sugerido por Ramses y Manolo:
Entre al modo recovery desde el GRUB2 y
- Eliminé los enlaces simbólicos /usr/local/bin/shutdown,
/usr/local/bin/halt y /usr/local/bin/reboot.
- Luego cambié al grupo root los comandos /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/halt y
/sbin/reboot.
- Por último, cambié los permisos de los tres comandos anteriores a:

# ls -l /sbin/shutdown
-rwxr-xr-x 1 tesistas root 22192 abr 27 00:48 /sbin/shutdown

# ls -l /sbin/halt
-rwxr-xr-x 1 tesistas root 13848 abr 27 00:49 /sbin/halt

# ls -l /sbin/reboot
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 17  2013 /sbin/reboot -> halt


Con esto, al usar el comando

# init 0

el sistema se apagó como debe ser. :)


Ya en modo gráfico, todo funciona nuevamente. Ya puedo
apagar/reiniciar usando sudo desde la terminal.


Gracias por la ayuda. Lo que no me queda claro, es que si estuve
trabajando por más de 1 año  con las opciones que había configurado
para apagar/reiniciar sin privilegios root:

¿por qué razón se alteraron los permisos de estos comandos???

Es un tema que aún debo investigar más... no me puedo quedar con esta
duda que me está carcomiendo :)





2015-10-11 10:39 GMT-04:30, Camaleón :
> El Sun, 11 Oct 2015 01:40:00 -0430, Frederit Mogollon escribió:
>

>>
>> 2). Recién instalado, se configuró el sistema para
>> apagado/reinicio/cierre de sesión sin privilegios de superusuario:
>
> (...)
>
> Creo que aquí está el lío con el cambio de ruta, usuarios, grupos,
> permisos. A mí "sudo" no me gusta, pero mira el Método 2 que usan
> en esta guía.
>
> How to allow non-super users to shutdown computer in Linux
> http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_allow_non-super_users_to_shutdown_computer_in_Linux
>


Gracias por el link, lo revisaré...!



>>
>> Con esto me doy cuenta que mis conocimientos sobre GNU/Linux aún son muy
>> limitados. Sin embargo, el sentido común me dice que falta algo que
>> permita apagar/reiniciar el sistema.
>
> Bueno, por lo general (99%) siempre hay alguien que ha pasado por la
> misma situación antes que tú, sólo hay que buscar en Google y ver
> cómo lo resolvieron :-)
>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>
>

Las configuraciones que había hecho para apagar/reiniciar sin
privilegios de superusuario solo las llevé a cabo luego de una buena
búsqueda en Google. Y todo salió bien. Y es una de las normas de la
lista, buscar primero antes de caer a preguntar sin más... eso lo he
aprendido desde que estoy usando Debian.

Sin embargo, la duda que me embarga está planteada arriba, y no se me
quita de la mente que algo de la última actualización tuvo que ver...
no hay otra manera. En base a ello, estuve revisando en la Internet, y
hasta ayer no había hallado respuesta.

Seguiré intentando.



Bueno, gracias a todos los que me echaron la mano. Es genial contar
con una comunidad dispuesta a yudar. Espero más temprano que tarde,
poder contribuir a la lista, para retribuir toda la ayuda que me han
prestado en estos años.


Saludos

fdm

trouble tracking down H264 codec for iceweasel

[briand]

Hi,

I've got two systems running jessie.

Somehow iceweasel on one system has got the cisco OpenH264 decoder installed, 
but the other one doesn't.

I can't seem to track down how I've managed to install it.

Anybody know how I can get it enabled for iceweasel in Jessie ?

Thank you,

Brian

Re: [deb-cat] logsave mes net

[tictacbum]

mira't també "logger"

2015-10-10 19:07 GMT+02:00 Jordi Funollet :

> Potser et serveix el programa 'script' .
>
> --
> Jordi Funollet Pujol
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jordifunollet
>
>

Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

[Peter Berlau]

Hi Richard,
thanks for advice.

The system "Debian/GNU 8 ( jessie )" is installed on /dev/sdb
but we needed the windows on /dav/sda, however...
no the /dev/sda hd has been corrupt and has to be replaced.
So I think if I can install grub to the master boot sector of /dev/sdb,
computer hardware can handle different boot-devices...
can I install grub with
grub install /dev/sdab ?

I must have 17" because i need the NB on stage, i'm musician and 
have to read sheets, some double sided and 15" is, maybe, to small.. 
other of my computers a desktop iMac and intel and a old mac powerbook
17", all of these with Debian jessie installed...

But I like to figure out some software, under Linux, for synthesizer and
the ability to connect the EWI via midi , usb soundcard 
Native Instruments "Komplete Audio 6"
works fine under Linux and has phantom-power and midi also...
I like to use and have a sheet- seeing - option additional 

best regards,
 Peter

Am Sonntag, den 11.10.2015, 08:09 -0500 schrieb Richard Owlett:
> Peter Berlau wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > Can You please help me?
> >
> > i updated all of our computer to Debian 8 jessie
> >
> > hardware
> >  1. 64 bit Intel ( noname ) 4 GB-RAM .. o.k.
> >  2. apple powerbook ( 2004 ) 2 GB RAM.. no sound
> >  3. apple iMac ( 2010 ) 8 GB RAM  ..  o.k.
> >
> > i installed on all these 'xfce'  this runs ok
> > as I see, here in list, some problems are solved if switched to
> > gnome ?
> 
> 
> If you don't like the "look and feel" of Gnome3 (many don't), I 
> find Mate to be comfortable to use.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Other Probs i have
> >
> > WIFI HP Officejet 7500   driver hp-officejet_7500_e910
> > prints fine, but i can not scan...   xscanimage shows " wrong
> > argument" I did not know what this mean or
> > what i should do...
> 
> Links and sub-links from 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Officejet+7500++scan+problem+site:debian.org 
> may be useful.
> 
> >
> > in one of the computers i like to install grup to the second hd
> > /dev/sdb, because the /dev/sda is has errors and i like to
> > replace it, therefore i need to boot from the /dev/sdb2.
> 
> That is possible if your BIOS allows specifying the boot device.
> During the install, you may have to chose the "expert 
> installation" mode to have the option.
> 
> > [snip Mac question]
> >
> > i like to have a Notebook 17" for Debian/GNU two
> > must run windows ( Band in a Box and Sibelius ) but mostly ( >
> > 95% ) run Debian/GNU Linux jessie
> > I am not familar with hardware
> > Budget is  € 820,- maximal...
> > need 17" because I need the nb on stage for Sheets ( some double
> > - pages )
> > I think about 'Lenevo'  or 'asus' what would You prefer?
> 
> I find my used Lenovo laptops (T43 and R61) reliable.
> 
> If one of your existing machines is suitable except for display 
> size, have you considered a digital TV as a monitor. I just 
> purchased a rather generic DTV and note even it has computer 
> input options. I believe I've seen some advertising WiFi 
> connectivity.
> 
> >
> > Thanks for Help,
> > best regards,
> >   Peter
> > p.s. sorry, my english is terrific... ;)
> >
> >
> Your English is fine.
> 
> If you are more comfortable in German, some resources might be:
> https://www.google.com/search?q="linux+user+group"+Germany
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/
> 
> 

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Francois Lafont]

On 11/10/2015 18:27, yamo' wrote:

> Ce ne serait pas simplement un problème de PATH?

A priori non. Son problème est que sous bash, la commande man est
définie via un alias dont le contenu utilise un mot clé du shell
zsh, mot clé que bien sûr bash lui ne comprend pas.

Comme indiqué plus haut dans le fil, il doit supprimer la définition
de cet alias dans sa conf bash.

-- 
François Lafont

Re: Debian 8, KDE Lockup

[moxalt]

Basically, don't use GDM with KDE, and don't run KDE on systems that are short
of RAM. Or at all.

Re: a little jessie whinage

[Brian]

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 01:25:15 -0600, Glenn English wrote:

> 
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:28 PM, David Wright  wrote:
> 
> > If it's unacceptable, why don't you just stick with sysv.
> 
> I just expect Debian stable to work correctly, like, as best I can
> remember, it always has.

Your expectations are too high. Things which are important to you get
fixed (maybe) in the testing phase. You can be part of this process.
Get stuck in for Stretch but try to avoid reports like

 > I put Jessie on a laptop. 'hostname -f' said it couldn't do it (don't
 > remember the error message, but it was, essentially, "Oops").

"Oops" conveys nothing. Which is probably why you didn't expand on it
when replying to David Wright.

Re: a little jessie whinage

[Glenn English]

On Oct 11, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Brian  wrote:

> Your expectations are too high. 

Don't agree. This is software is intended to run server(s) on the Internet (for 
me) and other important networks (for enterprise admins). For those 
applications, it needs to work for at least the trivial software.

'hostname -f' isn't rocket science -- it's just a small lookup. I suspect it 
goes to ifconfig for the IP then in hosts for the FQDN that matches the IP, or, 
apparently, resolv.conf and hostname. No major problem either way. It could 
easily be done with a short shell script (maybe it is, I haven't looked).

> "Oops" conveys nothing. Which is probably why you didn't expand on it
> when replying to David Wright.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. A next to meaningless error message. 
"Couldn't find in /etc/hosts, any IP given by ifconfig: .", might be a 
little more useful.

-- 
Glenn English

probleme de check somme avec apt-get update

[Abdelkader Belahcene]

*Bonjour,J ai cree un site mirror local, il a fonctionne jusqu'a
dernierement.apt-irror m'a permi de recupere toutes les archives de
ftp.fr.debian.org .Ce qui est bizarre  lorsque je
fais  une mise a jour pour ma machine,  il n y a pas d'erreur,quand je
le fais pour une autre machine  j ai une erreur de somme.*


*Voici le detail: *


*je fais une maj  d'une machine   a partir de mon serveur ( a travers ftp:
172.17.11.85 ),  certains repertoires sont correctes, par contre j ai un
probleme sur le repertoire main ( maleureusement le plus important)*



* OK pour  :*
*ftp://172.17.11.85  jessie-backports/non-free
Translation-en *
*ftp://172.17.11.85  jessie-updates/main i386 Packages *
*ftp://172.17.11.85  jessie-updates/contrib i386
Packages *
*ftp://172.17.11.85  jessie-updates/non-free i386
Packages *

* MAIS ERROR pour:*

* W: Impossible to get
ftp://172.17.11.85/ftp.fr.debian.org...-i386/Packages

check sum error *



*pourtant j ai verifie  le  md5sum   du fichier
jessie/main/binary-i386/Packages,  c'est le meme que celui declaré  dans
dists/jessie/release  ???,*


*Y a t il un moyen d'eviter ce checksum*





* dans la commande  apt-get update ??? merci beaucoupsalutations*

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Bonjour,

Le dimanche 11 octobre 2015 à 17:07, Francois Lafont a écrit :
> On 11/10/2015 16:51, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:
> 
> > résultat : type man
> > man est un alias vers « nocorrect man »
> 
> Ok, j'ignore complètement ce que c'est que cette commande "nocorrect".

« nocorrect » c'est une instruction destinée à Zsh.

Zsh est capable de proposer de corriger des fautes de frappes dans les
commandes. Des fois on préfère s'en passer, alors pour éviter que Zsh ne propose
de corriger les commandes « man », on en fait un alias « nocorrect man » qui lui
dit en somme « appelle man et m'eme pas avec la correction orthographique ».

Sébastien

Re: trouble tracking down H264 codec for iceweasel

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 12/10/2015 3:25 AM, bri...@aracnet.com wrote:
> I've got two systems running jessie.
> 
> Somehow iceweasel on one system has got the cisco OpenH264 decoder installed, 
> but the other one doesn't.
> 
> I can't seem to track down how I've managed to install it.
> 
> Anybody know how I can get it enabled for iceweasel in Jessie ?

Perhaps an online webinar?

A.

Re: debian-user list problem

[Brian]

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 17:00:43 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 03:01:23PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 15:17:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 02:40:15PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I was wondering what the significance of LDOSUBSCRIBER in the headers
> > > > of the first mail in this thread is.
> > > > 
> > > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 
> > > > tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, 
> > > > 
> > > > DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,  
> > > >   
> > > > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no 
> > > > version=3.4.0
> > > 
> > > This is the spam checker on Bendel: if this one got triggered, we wouldn't
> > > see the original poster's mail at all (with some additional crystal ball
> > > I'd say that is one of the factors Spam Assassin is using is that the 
> > > sender
> > > is LDO ("lists.debian.org" suggests itself) subscriber, which probably 
> > > (hopefully?)
> > > will lower the spam score.
> > 
> > The implication being that the poster was subscribed to -user at the
> > time (Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:23:22 +0200) the mail was received?
> 
> That's more than what my crystal ball can tell: -user?

Can we discard this crystal ball of yours and cast a few runes or examine
chicken entrails instead? :)

X-Spam-Status gives a list of SpamAssassin tests that returned a non-zero
value. I am going to assume the Debian mailing list for -user assigns a
negative score if the poster is a list member (why should your score be
pushed closer to 4.0?).

Which raises the question of whether maderios was ever unsubscribed from
-user. This will remove his motivation for having to reprimand his cat
for being underhand or devious. It leaves open the question whether the
resubscription did any good or if it was some other readjustment of the
system which restored reception of list mails.

> -user? or just any debian.org list? Only postmasters know...

The incidence of LDOSUBSCRIBER in my -systemd archive is zero. Other
lists do not appear to rely on it in the same way as -user.

Re: Please tipps for Desktop ( gnome, kde, xfce, etc. ) Debian 8 jessie and some minor issues

[moxalt]

> :-)  I *think* you meant to say "terrible". :-)

Don't think so. Winky face says sarcasm.

Solved_Re: debian-user list problem

[maderios]

On 10/11/2015 02:31 PM, maderios wrote:

I could subscribe 'normaly' 3 minute ago to this list.
I don't understand because I never unscribed myself. Only me (or my cat
:)  ) can use my computer... May be a bug?
I hope it works now.
Thanks to everybody
Greetings


Sorry for noise.
I forgot 'Solved'
Done
--
Maderios

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[yamo']

Salut,

Bernard Schoenacker a écrit le 11/10/2015 17:00 :
> en employant : "/usr/bin/man man"  c'est tout bon ...


Ce ne serait pas simplement un problème de PATH?

$ printenv PATH comprend notamment :
:/usr/bin:


-- 
Stéphane

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:27:26 +0200,
yamo'  a écrit :

> Salut,
> 
> Bernard Schoenacker a écrit le 11/10/2015 17:00 :
> > en employant : "/usr/bin/man man"  c'est tout bon ...  
> 
> 
> Ce ne serait pas simplement un problème de PATH?
> 
> $ printenv PATH comprend notamment :
>   :/usr/bin:
> 
> 

bonjour,

voici le résultat (bash) :

/home/bernard/bin:/home/bernard/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/usr/sbin:/sbin

slt
bernard

Re: OpenVPN fails [SOLVED]

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 07/10/15 15:32, Reco wrote:





Update initrd after updating /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.


I'm afraid that's beyond my expertise


update-initramfs -k all -u

It's all in the handbook, really. All it takes is to read it once.

https://debian-handbook.info/



Thanks for sticking with this.


You're welcome. A man needs to have his fun after a day of boring job,
after all :)

Reco



Well. that *was* fun (FSVO "fun").

Having repartitioned sda to match sdb, and rebuilt the raid,all looked 
good. Except, the system wouldn't boot, hence my absence from the list!


After several days fiddling with recovery disks, knoppix, etc without 
any succes, I finally threw in the towel, reformatted everything, and 
installed jessie. That wasn't a total waste of time, as it was on my 
todo list anyway; just not quite yet!


Ah well, I'm back up, with a working RAID1, and, of course openvpn is 
now happily working. That must be some degree of success.


Thank you, Reco for your help and advice; really appreciated.

Cheers, Tony

--
Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

Re: gnome mouse configuration

[moxalt]

Yes, you can. Simply plug in the mouse in question, go to the mouse and
touchpad settings from the control centre, and adjust the settings accordingly.
It should just work (though I am not sure whether the settings persist over
repeated removals and reconnections).

Re: problème de $PATH pour les manpages sous bash

[Francois Lafont]

On 11/10/2015 19:25, Sébastien NOBILI wrote:

> « nocorrect » c'est une instruction destinée à Zsh.
> 
> Zsh est capable de proposer de corriger des fautes de frappes dans les
> commandes. Des fois on préfère s'en passer, alors pour éviter que Zsh ne 
> propose
> de corriger les commandes « man », on en fait un alias « nocorrect man » qui 
> lui
> dit en somme « appelle man et m'eme pas avec la correction orthographique 
> ».

Ah ok, merci pour les explications. Je n'utilise que bash alors je ne 
connaissais. ;)

-- 
François Lafont

Re: /etc/resolv.conf being blanked

[Pascal Hambourg]

Dominic Hargreaves a écrit :
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:47:57PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>>
>> That may be generated from received IPv6 router advertisements (RA) by
>> rdnssd if installed. In that case, you can remove this package if you
>> don't need DNS resolution through the IPv6 server. Otherwise, check
>> whether the package resolvconf is installed.
> 
> Aha! Thanks for the clue.
> 
> The problem appears to have gone away after removing rdnssd, so I assume
> it was a particularly severe case of #740998 (an RC bug which was sadly
> not fixed in jessie).

Even though I was aware of issues with rdnssd, I didn't know about this
RC bug. I'll check it.

> I'll follow up on that bug (and probably a new bug against
> debian-installer to have rdnssd not installed).

Problem is, rdnssd is required in an IPv6-only network with
autoconfiguration in order to fill /etc/resolv.conf, or a dual-stack
network with only autoconfigured IPv6 DNS. IME, installing resolvconf
solves the competition between the different DNS sources (RDNSS, DHCP
client, Network Manager...) for resolv.conf.

Re: is google earth safe to install?

[moxalt]

PRISM has been watching me my entire life without incident. Yet.

Résolu_Re: Je ne reçois plus les messages de la liste debian-user

[maderios]

On 10/10/2015 10:27 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Idem pour moi,
j'ai posté hier et mon mail n'est pas arrivé sur la ML...
ou du moins je n'ai pas reçu de retour.

Je le reposte et excuses si vous le recevez en double.
Vérifie que tu es bien inscrit, à moins que cela provienne de ton 
fournisseur.
Mon pb a été résolu. Bizarrement, j'ai été désinscrit de la liste 
debian-user puisque j'ai pu m'inscrire "normalement" avec la même adresse.

--
Maderios

Re: debian-user list problem

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 06:50:13PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

> Can we discard this crystal ball of yours and cast a few runes or examine
> chicken entrails instead? :)

:-)

> X-Spam-Status gives a list of SpamAssassin tests that returned a non-zero
> value. I am going to assume the Debian mailing list for -user assigns a
> negative score if the poster is a list member (why should your score be
> pushed closer to 4.0?).

sounds plausible: but still, why specifically "-user" and not just "subscribed
to any Debian list"? Both would make kind of sense.

> Which raises the question of whether maderios was ever unsubscribed from
> -user. This will remove his motivation for having to reprimand his cat
> for being underhand or devious. It leaves open the question whether the
> resubscription did any good or if it was some other readjustment of the
> system which restored reception of list mails.

I'm all for the poor cat, although I'm confident Madarias is a nice person.
Re-subscription seems to have solved the issue anyhow. Besides the cat,
a couple of bounces to the list might de-activate the subscription.

> > -user? or just any debian.org list? Only postmasters know...
> 
> The incidence of LDOSUBSCRIBER in my -systemd archive is zero. Other
> lists do not appear to rely on it in the same way as -user.

Well, that settles the one point above. Chicken entrails seem to be
more accurate than crystal balls :-)

regards
- -- tomás
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Re: Je ne reçois plus les messages de la liste debian-user

[François LE GAD]

Le 10/10/2015 22:27, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

j'ai posté hier et mon mail n'est pas arrivé sur la ML...
ou du moins je n'ai pas reçu de retour.

Je ne l'ai pas reçu non plus, et il n'apparaît pas non plus sur gmane.

--
François

Re: trouble tracking down H264 codec for iceweasel

[moxalt]

Recent versions of Iceweasel should have the OpenH264 decoder plugin available
in the plugin menu. Try purging it and re-installing it. Don't forget to get
rid of your local configs too. What versions of Iceweasel are you running?

I run stretch, and the decoder appeared in my plugins menu after I installed. I
believe both Stretch and Jessie have the same version of Iceweasel (38,
notwithstanding trivial version numbers).

Re: gnome ( panel ) question

[moxalt]

If GNOME is working fine without it, then I doubt you need it. I think
gnome-panel is for GNOME Classic or some such thing, but I'm not sure.

Re: Putting apt-listchanges and dpkg output in mail sent by unattended-upgrades

[moxalt]

So you want to combine the output of unattended-upgrades itself and
apt-listchanges into a single e-mail? Why?

Also, couldn't you just edit the script to make it function as you want it?

Re: debian-user list problem

[Brian]

On Sun 11 Oct 2015 at 09:01:12 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

> On 10/11/2015 05:08 AM, maderios wrote:
> 
> >Strangely, it works partially now, only for this thread 'debian-user
> >list problem'. I receive mail with this thread but I can't receive mail
> >from other threads.
> >About my spam box: I watch it very often. It is empty.
> 
> Maderios is your problem that you do not see 'your' post in your inbox?
> If that is your problem, gmail is not going to put your post in your inbox,
> you have a folder named 'all mail', use it and you will find your post there
> and it will display your post in treaded form for you.

Why do you assume the list sends maderios' list mail to a gmail account?

Re: debian-user list problem

[moxalt]

Wait.. so Debian doesn't send your own replies back to you by default? That
seems like a rather strange default (and that behaviour is the default in
mailman).

Re: Where should I document this Bumblebee fix?

[Brian]

On Sat 10 Oct 2015 at 20:03:51 -0500, Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

> I finally got Bumblebee working on my Thinkpad W530 running Jessie!
> Following the wiki page[1] never made it work.  I would always get
> this error:
> 
> [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: 
> failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied
> 
> Only after taking the advice on unixmen[2] and downgrading my libdrm from
> 2.4.58 to 2.4.56 did things start working.  Where should I document this
> so it's easier for other users to find it?  Is the bumblebee wiki page
> the right place?

I'd say so. You might consider framing it as

  A user could find downgrading etc, etc

Re: Video-UNfriendly browsers?

[moxalt]

Seriously, though, as much as you dread returning to lynx, it is the most
bandwith-friendly option on the table. If you don't want videos of any kind,
and are content with just plaintext (and separately downloadable images) you
should be safe. What's so bad about lynx?