opgelost Re: shorewall deskundoloog ? (lange email)

[Gijs Hillenius]

De fout zat in mijn masq file. Opgelost na betere bestudering van het door 
Debian meegeleverde voorbeeld.

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Abou Al Montacir]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 08:15 +0300, moxalt wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:40:10 +0100, Abou Al Montacir 
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear All,
> > 
> > I tried to browse the following site multiple times using epiphany browser,
> > and each time it makes my hole system crash. Only poweroff/poweron can
> > recover. https://www.blinq.com/
> > 
> > While I can understand that epiphany does not support some features and
> > craches, I don't understand that the system itself craches. I was not even
> > bean able to user ctrl+alt+F1 to kill the process. I'm using 16GiB ram +
> > 32MiB swap, so I don't think this is memory issue.
> > 
> > Can you please advise if I need to fill a bug against general?
> > 
> > PS: Please copy me as I'm not subscribed.
> 
> Use a different web browser maybe? Blinq opens fine for me, under both
> Chromium
> and Iceweasel. What version of Debian are you running?
Yes that may be a solution  to browse the page, but this is not my real problem.
My problem is how it happens that a user program make a Linux system freeze.
That was a main reason for me to stop using other OS!
-- 
Cheers,
Abou Al Montacir

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Abou Al Montacir]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 07:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> --  Forwarded Message  --
> 
> Subject: Re: System craches when browsing a web site
> Date: Tuesday 27 October 2015, 01:39:58
> From: Glenn English 
> To: debianUsers 
> 
> 
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Abou Al Montacir  wrote:
> 
> > What fellow users think?
> 
> Toss the sucker and get one that works. There are billions and billions of 
> browsers around. Even some that aren't Microsoft or Mozilla :-)
> 
> And, no, Debian shouldn't do more than complain mildly when the browser has a 
> problem -- Debian stable has been bulletproof in my experience. But if a 
> connection error isn't being handled by the browser that tried to make the 
> connection, the browser was designed and written by folks who made one or 
> more big mistakes. Unless something really interesting is going on in 
> Debian's IP stack.
> 
> I hear that Google's Chromium works or Opera, to name a couple biggies.
> 
> You really don't need this. And the fix is (probably) simple.
> 
> -- 
> Glenn English
It is not about a buggy program, it is about a stable system, I don't care about
epiphany, I can use an other browser as you said, but just care about a stable
OS!
-- 
Cheers,
Abou Al Montacir

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Himanshu Shekhar]

To me, w3m seems to be the best way to check whether there is a connection
problem or not.
Bugs if any should be reported at the earliest.

Regards,
Himanshu Shekhar

Re: bootloader customization (was: System Dorked -- Help...)

[moxalt]

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:52:06 -0400, Felix Miata  wrote:

> David Baron composed on 2015-10-25 14:53 (UTC+0200):
> 
> > I started with wheezy 64 bit install and grub2. Did not have any clue how
> > it worked but it did. When upgraded to Sid, added a kernel and wanted to
> > keep the older on around just-in-case, I had no idea how to do this with
> > Grub2 so I went back to Lilo. Lilo also makes it easy of have a systemd and
> > older-style init choice, the latter saved me recently.  
> 
> > Running afoul of having two 1 terra disks around could have been the
> > problem. I have no understanding of this business. I had no problem reading
> > and writing the partition I wanted to make root. Just could not do anything
> > in it, either chroot or on boot into the system which malfunctioned.  
> 
> > How do I make custom boot menus, kernel, init choices and such using the
> > Grub?  
> 
> There are numerous www howtos for customizing Grub2.
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1296225 amounts to one such.
> 
> Customizing Grub Legacy is much simpler.
> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html#Installing-GRUB-natively
> explains setting it up simply.
> 
> http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/Linux/menu.lst can serve as a menu.lst template
> based on how things work here. Note in its lower section there are special
> stanzas used only for network installations. I don't download many iso files.
> It's wasteful of bandwidth to download so much that will only be used at most
> once. There are no hard dependencies on configs elsewhere located when using
> Grub Legacy, but do note that Debian's Grub Legacy still cannot read EXT4
> filesystems at least as of Jessie, so its use should be limited accordingly
> either to systems on which EXT4 isn't present, or to needing access only to
> EXT3 or EXT2 or older supported filesystems. Grub Legacy in Mageia, Fedora
> and openSUSE have no such limitation. I use openSUSE's, as it has a nice
> gfxboot configuration that's simple enough to use and customize, and
> extremely friendly at boot time.
> 
> Should you wish to try Grub Legacy, I'll be more than happy to assist.

I used GRUB Legacy (one of the 0.99~ releases) under Debian 7, and it worked
fine reading from ext4.

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Glenn English]

On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Mario Castelán Castro  
wrote:

>> I hear that Google's Chromium works or Opera, to name a couple biggies.
> 
> Both of them are non-free

Good point, well taken. But OP doesn't like Mozilla for some reason. Chromium 
is at least free as in beer; and last I heard, so was Opera. Privoxy'll do a 
good job for any of them getting rid of the popups and stuff.

I guess he could go the KDE route. I think that's free in both senses, and 
their browser is reliable. There are most likely others as well, but I was 
trying to point the poor guy toward something that works. On Debian (stable, at 
least), there's no excuse for significantly broken software. (It turns up from 
time to time, but there's no excuse for it :-)

-- 
Glenn English

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 06:39:42 Glenn English wrote:
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Mario Castelán Castro  
wrote:
> >> I hear that Google's Chromium works or Opera, to name a couple biggies.
> >
> > Both of them are non-free
>
> Good point, well taken. But OP doesn't like Mozilla for some reason.
> Chromium is at least free as in beer; and last I heard, so was Opera.
> Privoxy'll do a good job for any of them getting rid of the popups and
> stuff.
>
> I guess he could go the KDE route. I think that's free in both senses, and
> their browser is reliable. There are most likely others as well, but I was
> trying to point the poor guy toward something that works. On Debian
> (stable, at least), there's no excuse for significantly broken software.
> (It turns up from time to time, but there's no excuse for it :-)

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP

Lisi

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 01:39:58 Glenn English wrote:
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Abou Al Montacir  
wrote:
> > What fellow users think?
>
> Toss the sucker and get one that works. There are billions and billions of
> browsers around. Even some that aren't Microsoft or Mozilla :-)
>
> And, no, Debian shouldn't do more than complain mildly when the browser has
> a problem -- Debian stable has been bulletproof in my experience. But if a
> connection error isn't being handled by the browser that tried to make the
> connection, the browser was designed and written by folks who made one or
> more big mistakes. Unless something really interesting is going on in
> Debian's IP stack.
>
> I hear that Google's Chromium works or Opera, to name a couple biggies.
>
> You really don't need this. And the fix is (probably) simple.

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP.

Lisi

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 01:43:14 Mario Castelán Castro wrote:
> > I hear that Google's Chromium works or Opera, to name a couple biggies.
>
> Both of them are non-free (Chromium has at least unclearly licensed
> code). We have many free as in freedom browsers. I have used Iceweasel
> since I use Debian and I have never had any problems with it but only
> very occasionally minor annoyances (no software is perfect yet).

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP.

Lisi

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Peter Ludikovsky]

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Hash: SHA1

Hello,

This is not a bug with Debian in particular, but with Epiphany in
general. I could reproduce a similar behaviour, but managed to kill
the browser process before the system became completely unresponsive.

I suggest you file a bug report with the Gnome team:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=epiphany

Regards,
/peter

Am 26.10.2015 um 16:40 schrieb Abou Al Montacir:
> Dear All,
> 
> I tried to browse the following site multiple times using epiphany 
> browser, and each time it makes my hole system crash. Only 
> poweroff/poweron can recover. https://www.blinq.com/
> 
> While I can understand that epiphany does not support some features
> and craches, I don't understand that the system itself craches. I
> was not even bean able to user ctrl+alt+F1 to kill the process. I'm
> using 16GiB ram + 32MiB swap, so I don't think this is memory
> issue.
> 
> Can you please advise if I need to fill a bug against general?
> 
> PS: Please copy me as I'm not subscribed.
> 
> -- Cheers, Abou Al Montacir
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Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Abou Al Montacir]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 09:38 +0100, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This is not a bug with Debian in particular, but with Epiphany in
> general. I could reproduce a similar behaviour, but managed to kill
> the browser process before the system became completely unresponsive.
> 
> I suggest you file a bug report with the Gnome team:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=epiphany
> 

Thank Peter for you answer and you test.
I fully understand that there is a bug in epiphany browser and that one shall be
reported both against the package as I consider this serious and against the
upstream bugzilla.
That is not the point I want to discuss, but rather shall I open a bug against
general as the system is supposed to be robust enough against any buggy user
program. This particular capability of Unixes system that make it possible for
multiple users to share the same computer, but also for the same user to ensure
no program is jeopardizing the others.
Isn't Linux kernel supposed to care about this kind of issues? In the past I
knew that if a program was trying to allocate too much memory, more that what
the system could, it used to get a segmentation fault, or similar signals, if a
program enters an infinite while loop it get anyway preempted to let other
thread run... All the nice features that make one migrate from a popular OS to a
nice one!
> > 
> > Can you please advise if I need to fill a bug against general?
> > 
> > PS: Please copy me as I'm not subscribed.
> > 
> > 


-- 
Cheers,
Abou Al Montacir

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

> epiphany browser [...] makes my hole system crash.

It should not.


> My problem is how it happens that a user program make a Linux system freeze.

First thing to test is whether it is a crash or a freeze
of the desktop.

If you have a network with a second computer then log into
the problem machine via SSH, provoke the crash-or-freeze,
and check whether the SSH connection still reacts on the Enter
key.

In any case have a look into the system log after you rebooted,
whether there are any interesting messages from immediately
before the reboot. (File /var/log/messages , command dmesg.)

>From remote i'd say it must be a co-operation of a few entities
out of the set { browser, desktop, X server, Linux kernel }.
Since epihany is part of GNOME dektop, i would file the bug
against GNOME, unless the system log shows messages which point
to a kernel problem.

Try whether the problem appears in XFCE as well (which uses less
of the GNOME stuff than GNOME does).
If you want to exclude GNOME desktop as culprit, find a desktop
which does not use GLib. To my mind come twm and my personal
favorite fvwm2.
(The latter suffers from zero-configuration in its Debian package.
 You would need to find some minimal .fvwm2rc template to put into
 your $HOME directory. Like:
   http://www.linuxfocus.org/common/src/article70/fvwm2rc.html
 )


I would have few hope for a remedy in Debian, though.

If you are courageous enough, follow the newest development
of GLib and its companions and watch whether the problem
vanishes suddenly.


> a main reason for me to stop using other OS!

Well, several desktops want to look and feel like other OS.
This has the expectable consequences.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Transfert d'un système sur serveur dédié vers VPS

[JUPIN Alain]

Bonjour,

Le mieux, c'est d'avoir la même distribution sur ton dédié et ton VPS.
Exemple, tu as Jessie sur ton dédié, et bien tu installes Jessie sur ton 
VPS (çà réglera tous les problèmes lié au hardware, comme le nommage des 
cartes réseau)


Sur ton dédié, tu fais un :
# dpkg --get-selections > pkg-dedie.txt

Sur ton VPS, on s'assure que le système et à jour et on installe les 
paquets sauvegardés à l'instant :

# apt-get update
# apt-get upgrade
# dpkg --set-selections < pkg-dedie.txt
# apt-get dselect-upgrade

A ce stade, on a les même applicatifs (paquets) sur les 2 systèmes.

Il ne reste plus qu'à copier les configs dans /etc, idéalement applis 
par applis. Ou alors en excluant les configs systèmes telles que acpi, 
dbus, grub, network, udev etc  ... liste non exhaustive.


Perso, j'ai déjà effectué plusieurs migrations de ce type (dédié->VPS , 
VPS->dédié, dédié->dédie ...) sans aucuns soucis majeurs (dans de rares 
cas, il m'a fallu faire quelques ajustements).


En espérant avoir aidé.

Alain JUPIN

Le 17/10/2015 11:41, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

Est-il possible de transférer un système (Debian, mais peu importe),
actuellement sur serveur dédié, vers un VPS d'un hébergeur ?

ou selon une autre formulation :
Comment virtualiser mon système actuel sur le VPS d'un hébergeur ?

Je pense que ce n'est pas possible sauf si j'ai la main sur le
serveur physique de l'hébergeur.
Les hébergeurs allouent uniquement un système pré-installé en VPS.

Merci.

André

Re: [HS] un "du" des répertoires cachés

[cedric rousselot]

Le Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:47:51 +0200,
Bertrand Orvoine  a écrit :

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:16:14AM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:52:05AM CEST, Fabrice Regnier
> >  said:  
> > > salut la liste,
> > > 
> > > J'utilise fréquemment du * -sh pour avoir la place totale prise
> > > par les répertoires mais je n'arrive pas à afficher la place
> > > prise également par les répertoires cachés (ie commençant avec un
> > > point).
> > > 
> > > Any hint ?
> > > 
> > > merki ;)  
> > 
> > du -h --max-depth=1  
> 
> sinon, en plus court :
> 
> du -sh * .??*
> 
> ça exclus le "..", mais zapperai les fichiers cachés n'ayant qu'un
> seul caractere ...
> A+
> >   
> 

Bonjour,
en bash, je passe par 
du -lhd 1 | sort -rh

Ca me sort les repertoire commencant par un . sans soucis et me les
trie du plus gros au plus petit.


-- 
Cordialement,
Cedric Rousselot
Service Helpdesk
N° regroupement: 01.73.50.34.90

Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD

[Christian Rosa]

Bom dia pessoal, vou ser bem objetivo, tem como eu atualizar a distro
utilizando o comando apt-get dist-upgrade sem necessidade de utilizar
internet, ou seja baixar os pacotes utilizando o CD ?

-- 
Cordialmente,

   _Christian Rosa -
  °v°   Porto Alegre - RS - BRASIL
 /(_)\  (51) 92281059
  ^ ^   MSN/SKYPE - rosa_christ...@hotmail.com
 Linkedin - http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christian-rosa/3a/59b/543

Seja Livre, use GNU/LINUX !

“Se eu tivesse oito horas para derrubar uma árvore, eu passaria as
primeiras seis delas afiando meu machado.” - Abraham Lincoln

Pourquoi vous aimez le logiciel Libre ?

[andre_debian]

Je me suis permis de modifier le sujet :
Quel antivirus utilisez vous ? => pourquoi vous aimez le logiciel Libre ?

On Wednesday 21 October 2015 21:21:00 Sébastien Dinot wrote:
> "J'utilise des logiciels libres parce qu'ils sont libres".

De mon côté, je dirai plutôt ceci :

D'un premier abord, je n'utilise pas des systèmes et des logiciels libres 
parce qu'ils sont Libres.
J'ai découvert que c'est, parce qu'ils sont Libres, qu'ils sont plus 
performants et sécurisés que bien des outils propriétaires.

Il y a une petite nuance plus pédagogique, qui incite et interpelle 
les personnes à migrer vers le free software.

Il faut expliquer la conséquence de cette Liberté là :-)

André

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 09:27 +0100, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
> It is not about a buggy program, it is about a stable system, I don't
> care about
> epiphany, I can use an other browser as you said, but just care about
> a stable
> OS!

Debian, and Linux in general, does handle buggy programs. But without
specifics, it's hard to say what where and why the bug is.

If Epiphany starts eating RAM, the OOM-killer should handle it, if it's
a problem with a hang in the GPU, it should be reset. 

Before filing a bug, you, or anyone else who can reproduce the bug need
to investigate. 

I cc'ed you, but consider subscribing. 

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
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Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[andre_debian]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 13:02:13 Sébastien NOBILI wrote:
> Le dimanche 18 octobre 2015 à 23:40, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
> > Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :
> > > Jusqu'à mon passage en 64 bits je n'avais jamais réinstallé ma debian
> > > testing tout en changeant 3 ou 4 fois de machine ...

> > Pour ma part, je n'ai jamais tenté la performance pour deux raisons :
> > 1. Nouvelle machine implique nouveau disque, nouveaux périphériques et
> >  donc nouvelle configuration. Partir d'une base vierge me semble plus
> >  simple.

> Je réagis uniquement sur ce point, étant plus ou moins d'accord 
> avec le second. 
> Hormis la question du nouveau disque, le changement de périphériques 
> est très 
> bien supporté par les systèmes Linux depuis pas mal de temps.
> Pour ma part, je change de machine presque chaque jour :-D
> Non, je ne suis pas millionnaire, je balade simplement mon système 
> avec moi et je le branche dans la machine que j'ai sous la main 
> sur le moment.  Et tout roule !  Sébastien

C'est encore une formidable qualité de Linux, de pouvoir se réinstaller
sur tout PC, pas besoin de repartir sur une installation à zéro.

Cette option ne fonctionne pas du tout sous Windows,
plantage irrémédiable assuré et garanti au boot ! car Windows 
ne sait pas s'adapter aux périphériques du nouveau PC.
"Bravo" à la milliardaire société Micro$oft et son OS proprio...

Sous Linux, une fois la ré-installation faite sur l'autre ordinateur,
il suffit de le rebooter une à deux fois, en mode dépannage, 
et tout baigne. 
Excepté de devoir installer des pilotes sur le PC de ré-installation,
si ses périphériques sont différents de l'ordinateur original.

C'est ce que je fais sur mes trois PC lors des upgrade de version
Debian, un seul pc à upgrader et les deux autres => rsync...

André

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Peter Ludikovsky]

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Hello,

I've looked into that issue a bit futher, and as far as I can test
within the confines of a VM I can say that
1) I can still access the TTYs and
2) the OOM killer removes the offending process as soon as both RAM
and Swap is full. Since your Swap is rather large it takes a long time
to fill up, during which time the system constantly has to swap in and
out programs you might be using.

Aside from the obvious issue here you've apparently made a conscious
effort to switch the system browser, as Debian by default installs
Iceweasel, not Epiphany. That means it's not a combination that the
Debian QA team had high on their list of priorities.

Why is that important? You lament that you switched to Debian from
another OS because you wanted stability. Given the high number of
different DEs, browsers, mail clients, chat programs, ... in any given
distribution the QA team can only test certain combinations, and make
those as stable as possible. Since the browser from the GNOME project
isn't included with the GNOME default install I'd wager it was
exchanged because of bugs like this.

But the system stability didn't suffer. The OOM killer removes the
offending browser process once the memory is used up, and the system
doesn't die. Once that happens, everything else is back to normal.
Even a bug in the GUI can't (usually) kill the whole system.

If you really want to protect yourself from issues like that in the
future, either switch to a better maintained browser (Iceweasel is the
default for Debian for example) and/or set a hard memory limit through
limits.conf or control groups.

Regards,
/peter


Am 27.10.2015 um 10:05 schrieb Abou Al Montacir:
> On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 09:38 +0100, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> This is not a bug with Debian in particular, but with Epiphany
>> in general. I could reproduce a similar behaviour, but managed to
>> kill the browser process before the system became completely
>> unresponsive.
>> 
>> I suggest you file a bug report with the Gnome team: 
>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=epiphany
>> 
>>> 
> Thank Peter for you answer and you test.
> 
> I fully understand that there is a bug in epiphany browser and that
> one shall be reported both against the package as I consider this
> serious and against the upstream bugzilla.
> 
> That is not the point I want to discuss, but rather shall I open a
> bug against general as the system is supposed to be robust enough
> against any buggy user program. This particular capability of
> Unixes system that make it possible for multiple users to share the
> same computer, but also for the same user to ensure no program is
> jeopardizing the others.
> 
> Isn't Linux kernel supposed to care about this kind of issues? In
> the past I knew that if a program was trying to allocate too much
> memory, more that what the system could, it used to get a
> segmentation fault, or similar signals, if a program enters an
> infinite while loop it get anyway preempted to let other thread
> run... All the nice features that make one migrate from a popular
> OS to a nice one!
>>> Can you please advise if I need to fill a bug against general?
>>> PS: Please copy me as I'm not subscribed.
> 
> -- Cheers, Abou Al Montacir
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Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 08:48:17PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> I don't know -- a sufficiently skilled person (or group) might be able to do
> it.  I'm not such a person, and don't know of any.  Try STFW for an LVM
> project or community.

Lots of replies on a subject you don't know the answer for ;)

Re: Backup solutions without reinventig the wheel these days

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 09:10:54PM +0300, Teemu Likonen wrote:
> I suggest "rsync --link-dest" too. Symbolic links are a nice way to
> store the previous (and currently newest) backup destination directory.
> So maybe like this in the backup destination machine:

--link-dest doesn't create symbolic links, it uses hard links.

If you have a lot of file metadata (due to lots of files), and you want to
store lots of increments, and you want those increments to be fully expanded on
the filesystem, such as via rsnapshot or --link-dest, then your filesystem
metadata (dentries, inodes etc) are going to be large.

Re: Error con SSH tunneling :(

[Javier ArgentinaBBAR]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 0:17, Greysho Pleskin
 escribió:
> Buenas, tengo mi PC con Debian Wheezy conectado al router A (tiene conexión
> a internet) y al router B (No tiene conexión a internet) ambas conexión se
> realizan mediante wireless, con una tarjeta USB Realtek y otra Ralink.
>
> Mi tablet con Android está conectada al router B y (usando la APP SHHTunnel)
> puede acceder a internet gracias a un túnel entre el PC y la tablet.
Acá no te entiendo mucho.
Yo también tengo tendencia a hacer cosas "raras", pero que uses una
conexión wifi para hacer un túnel a una computadora que sí está
conectada a wifi y acceder a internet no lo entiendo.
Preguntas:
¿Por qué no tienes armados los dos puntos de acceso wifi para que te
den una red itinerante?
Si ambas computadoras se conectan por wifi, a los enrutadores, ¿por
qué conectar de la tableta a la PC a través de ellos y no en forma
directa?
Asumo que la PC es una notebook., por lo que con un adaptador nano
obtienes lo mismo mucho más fácil
(http://www.tp-link.com/ar/products/details/?model=TL-WN725N)


>
> El problema es que cuando empiezo a descargar algo se para la descarga :(
> Suele pararse siempre a los 3 MB aprox.
La tableta es Android.
Y utilizas un programa (app) que de seguro no es libre. (Free software
it's not as free beer)
Con lo que, qué sucede dentro del cachivache, sólo los porgramadores lo saben.

>
> Me he conectado al PC mediante SSH y el PC si descarga los ficheros enteros,
> pero la tablet no, ¿Por qué podría ser?
El problema a las claras lo tienes entre la tableta (app) y la PC.

> Espero que puedan ayudarme, muchas gracias por adelantado :)

Mi recomendación:
1- Actualiza, si está dentro de los soportados, tus enrutadores con
dd-wrt (http://dd-wrt.com)
2- Arma una red itinerante dentro de tu casa.

Saludos.

JAP

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Eric Degenetais]

Le 27 octobre 2015 13:52,   a écrit :
> Cette option ne fonctionne pas du tout sous Windows,
> plantage irrémédiable assuré et garanti au boot ! car Windows
> ne sait pas s'adapter aux périphériques du nouveau PC.
> "Bravo" à la milliardaire société Micro$oft et son OS proprio...

En fait, Window$ ne VEUT pas s'adapter. L'erreur qui se produit en cas
de changement de matériel est une "Protection fault"...tout est dit...
__
Éric Dégenètais
Henix


http://www.henix.com
http://www.squashtest.org

Fw: Re: Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD

[rafaelratm]

Bom dia.

Sim, é possível. Basta adicionar o CD ao sources.list


att.
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Bom dia pessoal, vou ser bem objetivo, tem como eu atualizar a distro 
utilizando o comando apt-get dist-upgrade sem necessidade de utilizar internet, 
ou seja baixar os pacotes utilizando o CD ?


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Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Bonjour,

Le dimanche 18 octobre 2015 à 23:40, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
> Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :
> > Jusqu'à mon passage en 64 bits je n'avais jamais réinstallé ma debian
> > testing tout en changeant 3 ou 4 fois de machine ...
> 
> Pour ma part, je n'ai jamais tenté la performance pour deux raisons :
> 
> 1. Nouvelle machine implique nouveau disque, nouveaux périphériques et
>donc nouvelle configuration. Partir d'une base vierge me semble plus
>simple.

Je réagis uniquement sur ce point, étant plus ou moins d'accord avec le second.

Hormis la question du nouveau disque, le changement de périphériques est très
bien supporté par les systèmes Linux depuis pas mal de temps.

Pour ma part, je change de machine presque chaque jour :-D

Non, je ne suis pas millionnaire, je balade simplement mon système avec moi et
je le branche dans la machine que j'ai sous la main sur le moment.

Et tout roule !

Sébastien

Re: [HS] systemd service utilisateur

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Le mercredi 21 octobre 2015 à  0:58, Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
>   Le « /home/$USER » au lieu de « $HOME » qui ne suscite ni remarques
> ni moqueries semblerait indiquer que je monologue. Qu'à cela ne tienne.

Certains monologues sont intéressants et ce n'est pas parce que tu monologues
qu'on ne t'écoute pas…

Sur ce, j'ai une autre réponse à poster dans ton fil.

Sébastien

Re: [HS] systemd service utilisateur

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Le mercredi 21 octobre 2015 à 18:20, Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 03:54:49PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > de mon côté je tarde à répondre car il me semblait que systemd permettait
> > d'isoler les utilisateurs les uns des autres (dans des « slices » ?), y 
> > compris
> > au niveau des fichiers temporaires, mais je peine à retrouver où j'aurais pu
> > lire une chose pareille...
> 
>   Si je comprends bien¹ (mais rien n'est moins sûr), le « contexte »
> user.slice est invoqué/utilisé en arrière plan par systemd, pour les
> processus utilisateurs (tel que mon usrtmp.service, par exemple).
> Mais au niveau où je l'exploite, il me semble que ce devrait être
> « transparent ».

J'ai compris son fonctionnement comme toi. Je n'ai pas encore lu trop de doc sur
le sujet et ce que j'en ai compris est surtout empirique. Si ton service est
lancé à l'ouverture de session par l'utilisateur (là je suppose puisque je n'ai
pas lu la doc), alors l'isolation a déjà eu lieu et les différentes commandes
lancées se trouvent dans le « slice ».

On voit tout ça à l'œuvre lorsqu'on ouvre une session (graphique ou non), des
messages apparaissent sur les consoles (mais c'est peut-être parce que j'ai
passé Systemd en debug), mais également lorsque des tâches cron sont lancées.

D'ailleurs ce second point me fait penser à un cas que tu devrais vérifier.
Est-ce que ton service utilisateur est lancé également lors du démarrage de
tâches cron d'un des utilisateurs qui l'aurait activé ?

Sébastien

Re: Pourquoi vous aimez le logiciel Libre ?

[David Pinson]

Le 27/10/2015 12:01, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

Je me suis permis de modifier le sujet :
Quel antivirus utilisez vous ? => pourquoi vous aimez le logiciel Libre ?

On Wednesday 21 October 2015 21:21:00 Sébastien Dinot wrote:

"J'utilise des logiciels libres parce qu'ils sont libres".

De mon côté, je dirai plutôt ceci :

D'un premier abord, je n'utilise pas des systèmes et des logiciels libres
parce qu'ils sont Libres.
J'ai découvert que c'est, parce qu'ils sont Libres, qu'ils sont plus
performants et sécurisés que bien des outils propriétaires.

Il y a une petite nuance plus pédagogique, qui incite et interpelle
les personnes à migrer vers le free software.

Il faut expliquer la conséquence de cette Liberté là :-)

André

J'avais lu un article dans un blog, je ne sais où... Mais je sais bien 
qu'il s'agit de Valbonne dans le 06
C'était cette année, lors d'une réunion municipale de la rentrée, et il 
était question de parler informatique.


Mme Le Maire, a confondu les logiciels libres comme des logiciels en 
vente libre !


Ça me rappelle fortement le fameux parefeu d'OpenOffice qui a été évoqué 
lors de l'Assemblée Nationale
Je sais que cette fonctionnalité existe mais cette expression a fait 
marrer les geeks!


De mon côté, c'est plutôt dire que le logiciel est libre et gratuit mais 
il faut compter les heures/hommes travaillés.
La communauté autour du libre est bien plus important qu'un groupe 
d'ingénieurs autour du logiciel propriétaire.


--
Linuxement vôtre,

-
dptech ~ David Pinson
jm2l 2015 ~ 9° édition
http://jm2l.linux-azur.org

aptitude loses the lists after "update"ing while offline

[Stefan Monnier]

If I do

   aptitude update

while my proxy is down (or when I'm offline), the previous package lists
are apparently gone, so after that, any aptitude command will tell me
things like:

   # aptitude install foo
   E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release 
is not available in the sources
   E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release 
is not available in the sources
   #

Of course, the obvious answer would be "don't do that", but the "update"
is also done automatically by unattended-updates, so I don't have complete
control over it.

Why does it do that?  How can I prevent it?


Stefan

Re: Pourquoi vous aimez le logiciel Libre ?

[maderios]

On 10/27/2015 12:01 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:


On Wednesday 21 October 2015 21:21:00 Sébastien Dinot wrote:

"J'utilise des logiciels libres parce qu'ils sont libres".

Bonjour
Petit message pour appuyer ce qui est écrit ci-dessus. Il y a maintenant 
16 ans, je suis passé à Linux surtout par conviction politique, ensuite 
pour obtenir un système vraiment stable.
Quoi, j'ai écrit "politique"? Et bien oui, le fait de dire m... aux 
multinationales qui rackettent les utilisateurs est un geste politique, 
surtout à une époque (1999) où, pour un utilisateur lambda,  se servir 
de Linux, ce "n'était pas de la tarte"...

Vive le libre pour le libre.
--
Maderios

Re: Questions concernant Sid, Digikam et KDE

[Sylvain L. Sauvage]

Le mardi 27 octobre 2015, 16:00:59 maderios a écrit :
> Bonjour

’jour,

> Ceci ne concerne que Sid.
> Depuis un certain temps, j'essaie de comprendre pourquoi
> Digikam est bloqué sur la version 4.4.[…]

  Non seulement il y a eu la transition GCC 5 (ou plutôt G++ 5) 
mais Digikam a aussi été pris dans la transition auto-marble 
(plus de lien actif, elle doit être finie) et, comme le dit le 
lien que tu as déjà donné, il est dans la future transition 
auto-kdepim.
  Bref, le pauvre Digikam semble cahoté par les transitions 
successives et doit aussi souffrir d’un léger manque d’affection 
(ou alors les DD attendent la 5.0?).

  Sinon, perso, j’ai eu besoin de sa fonction de détection des 
doubles (différente de findimagedupes) alors je l’installé en 
« local » via le tarball des sources (lire README.LOCAL). Il 
fonctionne bien pour ce que j’en fais.
  Note: à compiler avec Qt4 (paquet qt4-default installé).
   (Aussi, attention au copié-collé, il y a une erreur dans
l’alias proposé : kde-neb au lieu de kde-$USER.)

-- 
 Sylvain Sauvage

Re: Fw: Re: Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD

[rafaelratm]

Após adicionar o CD no sources.list, execute o comando apt-get update e depois 
realize a atualização.

Antes das atualizações serem instaladas pelo apt, vai aparecer uma pergunta de 
confirmação, e também vai aparecer o tamanho da atualização.


Att.
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Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD
Local Time: October 27 2015 1:52 pm
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CC: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org

Só informando a source então já resolvi ? Outra coisa gostaria de saber o 
tamanho da atualização, tem como ?



Em 27 de outubro de 2015 10:02, rafaelratm  escreveu:



Bom dia.

Sim, é possível. Basta adicionar o CD ao sources.list


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Subject: Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD
Local Time: October 27 2015 9:00 am
UTC Time: October 27 2015 11:00 am
From: christiant.i...@gmail.com
To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org


Bom dia pessoal, vou ser bem objetivo, tem como eu atualizar a distro 
utilizando o comando apt-get dist-upgrade sem necessidade de utilizar internet, 
ou seja baixar os pacotes utilizando o CD ?


--



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°v° Porto Alegre - RS - BRASIL
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“Se eu tivesse oito horas para derrubar uma árvore, eu passaria as primeiras 
seis delas afiando meu machado.” - Abraham Lincoln





--



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_ Christian Rosa -
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Re: Backup solutions without reinventig the wheel these days

[Teemu Likonen]

Jonathan Dowland [2015-10-27 10:53:25Z] wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 09:10:54PM +0300, Teemu Likonen wrote:
>> I suggest "rsync --link-dest" too. Symbolic links are a nice way to
>> store the previous (and currently newest) backup destination
>> directory. So maybe like this in the backup destination machine:
>
> --link-dest doesn't create symbolic links, it uses hard links.

I know. In my message I explained how we, script-writers, can use
symbolic links to maintain pointer to the newest backup directory made
by "rsync --link-dest". That's how the next backup (rsync invocation)
can find its --link-dest target, for example.


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Re: Questions concernant Sid, Digikam et KDE

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:00:59 +0100,
maderios  a écrit :

> Bonjour
> Ceci ne concerne que Sid.
> Depuis un certain tshotwellemps, j'essaie de comprendre pourquoi
> Digikam est bloqué sur la version 4.4. Toutes les autres
> distributions sont passées aux versions supérieures, dont la 4.13.
> Pour info, Digikam-4.14 est la dernière version de la série 4.xx. La 
> dernière version de développement, basée sur Qt5, est la 5.xx.
> J'ai testé Digikam-4.13 sur une Fedora 23 beta, DK marche bien.
> Pour tenter de résoudre le mystère, j'ai cherché et trouvé quelques 
> liens qui me laissent sur ma faim:
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/digikam
> https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=pkg-kde-extras%40lists.alioth.debian.org
> https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-kde/kde-extras/digikam/trunk/debian/changelog?r1=20086=log
> Je sais que les derniers gcc et kde posent problème chez debian mais
> je ne dispose d'aucune explication claire sur ce sujet.
> Les dernières "Nouvelles du projet Debian" n'y font aucune allusion.
> Brouillard d'automne...
> 

bonjour,

essayes de voir avec shotwell ...

apt-cache madison shotwell
shotwell | 0.22.0-2+b1 | http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian sid/main 


rmadison shotwell -a amd64
shotwell   | 0.6.1-1+b2  | oldoldstable | amd64
shotwell   | 0.12.3-2+deb7u1 | oldstable| amd64
shotwell   | 0.20.1-1+b1 | stable   | amd64
shotwell   | 0.22.0-2+b1 | testing  | amd64
shotwell   | 0.22.0-2+b1 | unstable | amd64

article concernant digikam et fedora :

http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=63412

slt
bernard

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Manolo Díaz]

El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 15:40 UTC
Maykel Franco escribió:

> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
>  escribió:
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  
> > wrote:  
> >> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
> >>  escribió:  
> >>> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
> >>> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
> >>>  
>  Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
>  them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.  
> >>>
> >>> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
> >>> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Manolo Díaz
> >>>  
> >>
> >> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
> >> desesperando jejeje
> >>  
> >
> > Y a que I/O esta esperando?
> >
> > Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof
> >  
> >> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop  
> >
> > Has borrado el binario?
> >  
> 
> No:
> 
> root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
> /usr/bin/lzop
> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop
> 

Lo que parece perdido es la entrada estándar de ese proceso, en la que
espera 65296 bytes

Como prueba desesperada:
echo > /proc/674388/fd/0

(asegúrate de que no he confundido el número de proceso) sabiendo que,
en caso de funcionar, perderías esos 65296.
-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Maykel Franco]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
 escribió:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  wrote:
>> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
>>  escribió:
>>> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
>>> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
>>>
 Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
 them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.
>>>
>>> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
>>> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Manolo Díaz
>>>
>>
>> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
>> desesperando jejeje
>>
>
> Y a que I/O esta esperando?
>
> Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof
>
>> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop
>
> Has borrado el binario?
>

No:

root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
/usr/bin/lzop
root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop

Re: [spanish 100%] Recuperar archivo sobreescrito

[Julián Daich]

El 27/10/15 a las 09:31, Santiago Casteleiro escribió:
> Puedes usar el programa TestDisk. Para recuperar ese archivo del que hablas 
> deberás ejecutarlo como root.
> 

Reenvío la respuesta a la lista. Al final lo solucioné con extundelete.
Supongo funciona casi igual que Testdisk. La única complicación es tener
que montar, borrar tu archivos y desmontar la partición como super. No
es mucho, pero da pereza.

Saludos,

Julián
> -Mensaje original-
> De: Julian Daich [mailto:julia...@gmail.com] 
> Enviado el: martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 0:25
> Para: debian 
> Asunto: [spanish 100%] Recuperar archivo sobreescrito
> 
> Hola,
> 
> Trabajando con LibreOffice se sobreecribió un archivo por otro vacío al 
> recibir mensajes de error e reiniciar. Estuve averiguando de como recuperar 
> el archivo original y me topé con usar extundelete desde un CD primero 
> borrando el archivo vacío. Puedo insertarlo, pero me parece algo medio 
> kamikaze¿ alguna alternativa o sugerencia sobre el tema?
> 
> Saludos,
> 
> Julián
> 
> --
> Julian
> 
> 
> .
> 
> .
> 

-- 
Julian Daich 

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Maykel Franco]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:19, Manolo Díaz
 escribió:
> El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:13 UTC
> Maykel Franco escribió:
>
>> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:09, Manolo Díaz
>>  escribió:
>> > El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 15:40 UTC
>> > Maykel Franco escribió:
>> >
>> >> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
>> >>  escribió:
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
>> >> >>  escribió:
>> >> >>> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
>> >> >>> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
>> >> >>>
>> >>  Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only 
>> >>  clear
>> >>  them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
>> >> >>> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Manolo Díaz
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
>> >> >> desesperando jejeje
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Y a que I/O esta esperando?
>> >> >
>> >> > Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof
>> >> >
>> >> >> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop
>> >> >
>> >> > Has borrado el binario?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> No:
>> >>
>> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
>> >> /usr/bin/lzop
>> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
>> >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop
>> >>
>> >
>> > Lo que parece perdido es la entrada estándar de ese proceso, en la que
>> > espera 65296 bytes
>> >
>> > Como prueba desesperada:
>> > echo > /proc/674388/fd/0
>> >
>> > (asegúrate de que no he confundido el número de proceso) sabiendo que,
>> > en caso de funcionar, perderías esos 65296.
>> > --
>> > Manolo Díaz
>> >
>>
>> Se lo he pasado pero no hace nada...
>>
>> Eso sí, en el proceso de lzop de Junio, si me dice algo al ejecutar ese 
>> comando:
>>
>> root@test:/mnt# echo > /proc/757250/fd/0
>> bash: /proc/757250/fd/0: El fichero de texto está ocupado
>>
>
> ¿Puedes ver qué proceso lo ocupa aparte de 757250?
>
> --
> Manolo Díaz
>

Esto por un lado:

root@test:/var/lib/vz# ps aux | grep -i lzop

root  674388  0.0  0.0   6828  1228 ?Doct15   0:00 lzop
root  757250  0.0  0.0   6828   380 ?Djun15   0:00 lzop


root@test:/var/lib/vz# lsof -p 757250
COMMANDPID USER   FD  TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
lzop757250 root  cwd   DIR  253,0 40962 /
lzop757250 root  rtd   DIR  253,0 40962 /
lzop757250 root  txt   REG  253,065296
34662  (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop
lzop757250 root  mem   REG  253,0  1599504
2337 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so
lzop757250 root  mem   REG  253,0   133232
33069 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblzo2.so.2.0.0
lzop757250 root  mem   REG  253,0   136936
2409 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so
lzop757250 root0r FIFO0,8  0t0 63527566 pipe
lzop757250 root1w  unknown
 /dump/vzdump-qemu-802-2015_06_15-11_18_11.vma.dat (stat: No such file
or directory)
lzop757250 root2w  REG  253,0  435
132796 
/var/log/pve/tasks/3/UPID:sd-52153:000B8DEC:1F439CE0:557E9853:vzdump::root@pam:
lzop757250 root   12u unix 0x882c72676840  0t0 55127908 socket
lzop757250 root   17r FIFO0,8  0t0 63527415 pipe
lzop757250 root   18r FIFO0,8  0t0 63527566 pipe

root@test:/var/lib/vz# lsof -p 674388
COMMANDPID USER   FD  TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF  NODE NAME
lzop674388 root  cwd   DIR  253,0 4096 2 /
lzop674388 root  rtd   DIR  253,0 4096 2 /
lzop674388 root  txt   REG  253,065296
34662  (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop
lzop674388 root  mem   REG  253,0  1599504
2337 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so
lzop674388 root  mem   REG  253,0   133232
33069 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblzo2.so.2.0.0
lzop674388 root  mem   REG  253,0   136936
2409 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so
lzop674388 root0r FIFO0,8  0t0 547597019 pipe
lzop674388 root1w  unknown
  /dump/vzdump-qemu-802-2015_10_15-11_50_05.vma.dat (stat: No such
file or directory)
lzop674388 root2w  REG  253,0  406
13 
/var/log/pve/tasks/D/UPID:sd-52153:000A4A27:5E1A84E8:561F76CD:vzdump::root@pam:
lzop674388 root   12u unix 0x882046522500  0t0 547580085 socket
lzop674388 root   16r FIFO0,8  0t0 547596726 pipe
lzop674388 root   17r FIFO0,8  0t0 547597019 pipe

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Re: /etc/mtab is not a symlink or not pointing to /proc/self/mounts

[BasaBuru]

El Lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 08:42:06 AbeL escribió:
>  Buenos días, acabo de instalar desde 0 debían testing con KDE como
> desktop, a paritr de la iso  debian-stretch-DI-alpha3-amd64-kde-CD-1
> 
> Me marca el error que les mencione en el subjet y al final termina con
> un Freezing execution.

Si es un bug de alpha3 que parece que se arrastra, por que ahora no es un 
aviso el sistema queda colgado

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679334

La mejor solución es usar un live cd y montar la partición raiz

# mount /dev/sdXn / mnt 

# cd /mnt

luego darle permisos de escritura al raiz

# mount -o remount, rw /

borras el /etc/mtab

# rm /etc/mtab

Y haces el enlace simbólico

ln -s /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab

Sincronizas

# sync

Desmontas la partición

# umount /dev/sdXn

sacas el live cd. y reinicias


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Re: aptitude loses the lists after "update"ing while offline

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 10/27/15, Stefan Monnier  wrote:
> If I do
>
>aptitude update
>
> while my proxy is down (or when I'm offline), the previous package lists
> are apparently gone, so after that, any aptitude command will tell me
> things like:
>
># aptitude install foo
>E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a
> release is not available in the sources
>E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a
> release is not available in the sources
>#
>
> Of course, the obvious answer would be "don't do that", but the "update"
> is also done automatically by unattended-updates, so I don't have complete
> control over it.
>
> Why does it do that?  How can I prevent it?


I can't answer your last question but my kneejerk reaction is that
people fall offline all the time for every reason possible. A package
that relies on online services to complete its task should abort with
an error message indicating it cannot reach its target destination. In
my ideal World, they retry a few times before "throwing in the towel"
(before giving up completely).

I went offline just now *just for You* to test apt-get. This is what I
see here, on a regular basis by the way, that's how I know, GRIN:

+++
Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sid InRelease

Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sid Release.gpg
  Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org'
Reading package lists... Done
W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/InRelease

W: Failed to fetch
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg  Could not
resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org'

W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.
+++

And I quoteth: "or old ones used instead". aka apt-get's
previous files were not flushed down the potty PRE-commencing the
newest requested update.

I've talked about it before because of a problem someone else had many
weeks ago. Apt-get tosses partially completed download files into a
temporary directory where those files stay until they're ready to be
decompressed. The VERY LAST part of the process is that they then
overwrite and/or become interwoven into the previous similar/same list
files.

Just thinking out loud. :)

Cindy :)

-- 
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

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Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Maykel Franco]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:09, Manolo Díaz
 escribió:
> El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 15:40 UTC
> Maykel Franco escribió:
>
>> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
>>  escribió:
>> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  
>> > wrote:
>> >> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
>> >>  escribió:
>> >>> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
>> >>> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
>> >>>
>>  Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
>>  them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.
>> >>>
>> >>> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
>> >>> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Manolo Díaz
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
>> >> desesperando jejeje
>> >>
>> >
>> > Y a que I/O esta esperando?
>> >
>> > Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof
>> >
>> >> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop
>> >
>> > Has borrado el binario?
>> >
>>
>> No:
>>
>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
>> /usr/bin/lzop
>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop
>>
>
> Lo que parece perdido es la entrada estándar de ese proceso, en la que
> espera 65296 bytes
>
> Como prueba desesperada:
> echo > /proc/674388/fd/0
>
> (asegúrate de que no he confundido el número de proceso) sabiendo que,
> en caso de funcionar, perderías esos 65296.
> --
> Manolo Díaz
>

Se lo he pasado pero no hace nada...

Eso sí, en el proceso de lzop de Junio, si me dice algo al ejecutar ese comando:

root@test:/mnt# echo > /proc/757250/fd/0
bash: /proc/757250/fd/0: El fichero de texto está ocupado

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Carlos Zuniga]

2015-10-27 11:03 GMT-05:00 Maykel Franco :
> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:00, Carlos Zuniga
>  escribió:
>> 2015-10-27 10:40 GMT-05:00 Maykel Franco :
>>> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
>>>  escribió:
 On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  
 wrote:
> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
>  escribió:
>> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
>> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
>>
>>> Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
>>> them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.
>>
>> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
>> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
>>
>> --
>> Manolo Díaz
>>
>
> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
> desesperando jejeje
>

 Y a que I/O esta esperando?

 Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof

> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop

 Has borrado el binario?

>>>
>>> No:
>>>
>>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
>>> /usr/bin/lzop
>>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop
>>>
>>
>> Parece que algún proceso lo tiene abierto y el archivo va a seguir
>> apareciendo hasta que lo cierre [0].
>>
>> Estas usando lzop en algún script o es el sistema que lo esta
>> ejecutando? Me parece raro que se ejecute sin argumentos. Con `ps efx`
>> puedes ver el arbol de procesos para ver quien lo ejecuta.
>>
>>
>> [0] 
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18200701/lsof-shows-a-file-as-deleted-but-i-can-still-see-it-in-file-system
>>
>
> Buenas, gracias por contestar.
>
> Si, es un Debian que tengo instalado openvz. Es un backup que realizo
> a veces, pero por algún motivo se ha quedado colgado.
>
> Uso vzdump para hacer backup y tira de lzop...
>

Entonces puedes intentar matar el proceso del vzdump? Y chequea si el
disco donde se hacen los backups este funcionando bien.

También chequea
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/LG/issue83/tag/6.html

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Maykel Franco]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:00, Carlos Zuniga
 escribió:
> 2015-10-27 10:40 GMT-05:00 Maykel Franco :
>> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
>>  escribió:
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  
>>> wrote:
 El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
  escribió:
> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
>
>> Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
>> them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.
>
> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
>
> --
> Manolo Díaz
>

 Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
 desesperando jejeje

>>>
>>> Y a que I/O esta esperando?
>>>
>>> Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof
>>>
 ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop
>>>
>>> Has borrado el binario?
>>>
>>
>> No:
>>
>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
>> /usr/bin/lzop
>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop
>>
>
> Parece que algún proceso lo tiene abierto y el archivo va a seguir
> apareciendo hasta que lo cierre [0].
>
> Estas usando lzop en algún script o es el sistema que lo esta
> ejecutando? Me parece raro que se ejecute sin argumentos. Con `ps efx`
> puedes ver el arbol de procesos para ver quien lo ejecuta.
>
>
> [0] 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18200701/lsof-shows-a-file-as-deleted-but-i-can-still-see-it-in-file-system
>

Buenas, gracias por contestar.

Si, es un Debian que tengo instalado openvz. Es un backup que realizo
a veces, pero por algún motivo se ha quedado colgado.

Uso vzdump para hacer backup y tira de lzop...

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Manolo Díaz]

El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:13 UTC
Maykel Franco escribió:

> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:09, Manolo Díaz
>  escribió:
> > El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 15:40 UTC
> > Maykel Franco escribió:
> >  
> >> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
> >>  escribió:  
> >> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  
> >> > wrote:  
> >> >> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
> >> >>  escribió:  
> >> >>> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
> >> >>> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
> >> >>>  
> >>  Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
> >>  them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.  
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
> >> >>> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Manolo Díaz
> >> >>>  
> >> >>
> >> >> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
> >> >> desesperando jejeje
> >> >>  
> >> >
> >> > Y a que I/O esta esperando?
> >> >
> >> > Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof
> >> >  
> >> >> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop  
> >> >
> >> > Has borrado el binario?
> >> >  
> >>
> >> No:
> >>
> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
> >> /usr/bin/lzop
> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
> >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop
> >>  
> >
> > Lo que parece perdido es la entrada estándar de ese proceso, en la que
> > espera 65296 bytes
> >
> > Como prueba desesperada:
> > echo > /proc/674388/fd/0
> >
> > (asegúrate de que no he confundido el número de proceso) sabiendo que,
> > en caso de funcionar, perderías esos 65296.
> > --
> > Manolo Díaz
> >  
> 
> Se lo he pasado pero no hace nada...
> 
> Eso sí, en el proceso de lzop de Junio, si me dice algo al ejecutar ese 
> comando:
> 
> root@test:/mnt# echo > /proc/757250/fd/0
> bash: /proc/757250/fd/0: El fichero de texto está ocupado
> 

¿Puedes ver qué proceso lo ocupa aparte de 757250?

-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Maykel Franco]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:35, Manolo Díaz
 escribió:
> El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:28 UTC
> Maykel Franco escribió:
>
>> > ¿Puedes ver qué proceso lo ocupa aparte de 757250?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Manolo Díaz
>> >
>>
>> Esto por un lado:
>>
>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ps aux | grep -i lzop
>
> [...]
>
>> root@test:/var/lib/vz# lsof -p 757250
>
> No, me refería a quién ocupa /proc/757250/fd/0
>
> lsof | grep /proc/757250/fd/0
>
>
> --
> Manolo Díaz
>


Me devuelve bastantes lineas que se repiten estas dos:

lsof: no pwd entry for UID 110
lsof: no pwd entry for UID 111

Re: Fw: Re: Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD

[Christian Rosa]

Só informando a source então já resolvi ? Outra coisa gostaria de saber o
tamanho da atualização, tem como ?

Em 27 de outubro de 2015 10:02, rafaelratm 
escreveu:

> Bom dia.
>
> Sim, é possível. Basta adicionar o CD ao sources.list
>
>
> att.
> Rafael
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail , encrypted email based in
> Switzerland.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD
> Local Time: October 27 2015 9:00 am
> UTC Time: October 27 2015 11:00 am
> From: christiant.i...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
>
> Bom dia pessoal, vou ser bem objetivo, tem como eu atualizar a distro
> utilizando o comando apt-get dist-upgrade sem necessidade de utilizar
> internet, ou seja baixar os pacotes utilizando o CD ?
>
> --
> Cordialmente,
>
>_Christian Rosa -
>   °v°   Porto Alegre - RS - BRASIL
>  /(_)\  (51) 92281059
>   ^ ^   MSN/SKYPE - rosa_christ...@hotmail.com
>  Linkedin - http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christian-rosa/3a/59b/543
>
> Seja Livre, use GNU/LINUX !
>
> “Se eu tivesse oito horas para derrubar uma árvore, eu passaria as
> primeiras seis delas afiando meu machado.” - Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>
>


-- 
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Seja Livre, use GNU/LINUX !

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primeiras seis delas afiando meu machado.” - Abraham Lincoln

Re: /etc/mtab is not a symlink or not pointing to /proc/self/mounts

[AbeL]

2015-10-27 8:45 GMT-06:00 BasaBuru :
> El Lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 08:42:06 AbeL escribió:
>>  Buenos días, acabo de instalar desde 0 debían testing con KDE como
>> desktop, a paritr de la iso  debian-stretch-DI-alpha3-amd64-kde-CD-1
>>
>> Me marca el error que les mencione en el subjet y al final termina con
>> un Freezing execution.
>
> Si es un bug de alpha3 que parece que se arrastra, por que ahora no es un
> aviso el sistema queda colgado
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679334
>
> La mejor solución es usar un live cd y montar la partición raiz
>
> # mount /dev/sdXn / mnt
>
> # cd /mnt
>
> luego darle permisos de escritura al raiz
>
> # mount -o remount, rw /
>
> borras el /etc/mtab
>
> # rm /etc/mtab
>
> Y haces el enlace simbólico
>
> ln -s /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab
>
> Sincronizas
>
> # sync
>
> Desmontas la partición
>
> # umount /dev/sdXn
>
> sacas el live cd. y reinicias
>

Gracias por sus comentarios, realice la primer opcion que me dio
Vicente y me funciono de maravilla.

Saludos.

>
> --
> Agur bero bat / a greeting
>
> BasaBuru
>
>   BASATU 
>
> ~
> basatia bihur zaitez
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Questions concernant Sid, Digikam et KDE

[maderios]

Bonjour
Ceci ne concerne que Sid.
Depuis un certain temps, j'essaie de comprendre pourquoi Digikam est 
bloqué sur la version 4.4. Toutes les autres distributions sont passées 
aux versions supérieures, dont la 4.13.
Pour info, Digikam-4.14 est la dernière version de la série 4.xx. La 
dernière version de développement, basée sur Qt5, est la 5.xx.

J'ai testé Digikam-4.13 sur une Fedora 23 beta, DK marche bien.
Pour tenter de résoudre le mystère, j'ai cherché et trouvé quelques 
liens qui me laissent sur ma faim:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/digikam
https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=pkg-kde-extras%40lists.alioth.debian.org
https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-kde/kde-extras/digikam/trunk/debian/changelog?r1=20086=log
Je sais que les derniers gcc et kde posent problème chez debian mais je 
ne dispose d'aucune explication claire sur ce sujet.

Les dernières "Nouvelles du projet Debian" n'y font aucune allusion.
Brouillard d'automne...

--
Maderios

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Carlos Zuniga]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  wrote:
> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
>  escribió:
>> El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
>> abaddon sinnerman escribió:
>>
>>> Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
>>> them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.
>>
>> Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
>> solamente desde el 15 de octubre.
>>
>> --
>> Manolo Díaz
>>
>
> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
> desesperando jejeje
>

Y a que I/O esta esperando?

Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof

> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop

Has borrado el binario?

Re: OT: Instalar debian en Dell Poweredge R710

[Gonzalo Rivero]

El sáb, 24-10-2015 a las 13:45 +, Camaleón escribió:
> El Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:17:32 -0700, Salvador Garcia Z. escribió:
> 
> > Desde una versión live puedes grabar la iso en un pendriver con
> > esto
> > 
> > dd bs=4M if=/ruta/al/fichero.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync
> > 
> > La unidad usb es más genérica y no tendrás problemas 
> 
> Espero que *NO se le ocurra* a nadie ejecutar esa instrucción antes
> de 
> verificar que la llave se ha detectado como "/dev/sdb".
> 
> Poner en la lista ese comando sin dar más explicaciones es temerario
> :-//

los README son para cobardes, ¡se valiente y ejecuta!

por cierto que mucha gente aprendió(imos) el valor de leer la
documentación, intentar entenderla, volver a leer y así sucesivamente
después de cargarnos el sistema. No solía decirse RTFM por nada 

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Re: Recuperar archivo sobreescrito

[Gonzalo Rivero]

El lun, 26-10-2015 a las 19:25 -0400, Julian Daich escribió:
> Hola,
> 
> Trabajando con LibreOffice se sobreecribió un archivo por otro vacío
> al recibir mensajes de error e reiniciar. Estuve averiguando de como
> recuperar el archivo original y me topé con usar extundelete
> desde un CD primero borrando el archivo vacío. Puedo insertarlo, pero
> me parece algo medio kamikaze¿ alguna alternativa o sugerencia sobre
> el tema?
> 
> Saludos,
> 
> Julián
> 
yo hago los backup diario, semanal y mensual con una mezcla de cp -al y
rsync. Entonces tengo un backup incremental, pero lo veo como completo
(a veces le llamo cuántico porque los archivos están y no están
jejeje). 
Si no es un gran volumen de datos, podés usar rsnapshot
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Re: Debian Desktop Environment

[Patrick Bartek]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most
> security and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian
> users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME etc.)?

My opinion is that no one desktop environment is any more secure than
the next just because of the way they work and what they are used for.
However, I do believe "smaller" less complicated DE tend to be more
secure as they have less "features" that can be exploited. Personally,
I don't use a desktop.  A good window manager is all I need.

And for what it's worth, the biggest security hole in any system is the
user.

B

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Carlos Zuniga]

2015-10-27 10:40 GMT-05:00 Maykel Franco :
> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 16:36, Carlos Zuniga
>  escribió:
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Maykel Franco  
>> wrote:
>>> El día 26 de octubre de 2015, 22:26, Manolo Díaz
>>>  escribió:
 El lunes, 26 de octubre de 2015 a las 21:24 UTC
 abaddon sinnerman escribió:

> Lo dice muy clao;reiniciar el servidor o esperar :  You can only clear
> them by rebooting the server or waiting for the I/O to respond.

 Uno de los procesos lleva esperando desde el 15 de junio, el otro
 solamente desde el 15 de octubre.

 --
 Manolo Díaz

>>>
>>> Si, eso lo sé Manolo, pero es que soy incapaz de matarlo... Me estoy
>>> desesperando jejeje
>>>
>>
>> Y a que I/O esta esperando?
>>
>> Y me parece rara esta línea de tu lsof
>>
>>> ... (deleted)/usr/bin/lzop
>>
>> Has borrado el binario?
>>
>
> No:
>
> root@test:/var/lib/vz# which lzop
> /usr/bin/lzop
> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ls -l /usr/bin/lzop
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65296 nov  8  2011 /usr/bin/lzop
>

Parece que algún proceso lo tiene abierto y el archivo va a seguir
apareciendo hasta que lo cierre [0].

Estas usando lzop en algún script o es el sistema que lo esta
ejecutando? Me parece raro que se ejecute sin argumentos. Con `ps efx`
puedes ver el arbol de procesos para ver quien lo ejecuta.


[0] 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18200701/lsof-shows-a-file-as-deleted-but-i-can-still-see-it-in-file-system

kernel 4.2 de backports y drivers nvidia

[Josu Lazkano]

Hola de nuevo,

Algunos ya sabeis que esta semana he andado preguntando en la lista
sobre como instalar el kernel 4.2 de los backports de Jessie. Gracias
a vosotros he conseguido hacerlo de esta manera tan simple:

apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64

Ahora me he puesto a actualizar todas mis maquinas, incluidas un HTPC
con Nvidia ION. El problema que tengo ahora es que no inicia el
entorno grafico, se me queda la pantalla en negro y este es el log de
Xorg: http://paste.debian.net/318372/

Segun la quinta linea pone: Build Operating System: Linux
3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian

¿Puede que tenga que instalar algun otro paquete desde los backports
aparte del kernel?

Hasta ahora, para poder obtener aceleracion grafico por hardwre con
esto me bastaba:

apt-get install nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-xconfig
nvidia-xconfig
reboot

Agradezco todas vuestras respuestas.

Un saludo.


-- 
Josu Lazkano

Re: [HS] systemd service utilisateur

[Alexandre Hoïde]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 01:19:08PM +0100, Sébastien NOBILI wrote:
> Le mercredi 21 octobre 2015 à 18:20, Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 03:54:49PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > de mon côté je tarde à répondre car il me semblait que systemd permettait
> > > d'isoler les utilisateurs les uns des autres (dans des « slices » ?), y 
> > > compris
> > > au niveau des fichiers temporaires, mais je peine à retrouver où j'aurais 
> > > pu
> > > lire une chose pareille...
> > 
> >   Si je comprends bien¹ (mais rien n'est moins sûr), le « contexte »
> > user.slice est invoqué/utilisé en arrière plan par systemd, pour les
> > processus utilisateurs (tel que mon usrtmp.service, par exemple).
> > Mais au niveau où je l'exploite, il me semble que ce devrait être
> > « transparent ».
> 
> J'ai compris son fonctionnement comme toi. Je n'ai pas encore lu trop de doc 
> sur
> le sujet et ce que j'en ai compris est surtout empirique. Si ton service est
> lancé à l'ouverture de session par l'utilisateur (là je suppose puisque je 
> n'ai
> pas lu la doc), alors l'isolation a déjà eu lieu et les différentes commandes
> lancées se trouvent dans le « slice ».
> 
> On voit tout ça à l'œuvre lorsqu'on ouvre une session (graphique ou non), des
> messages apparaissent sur les consoles (mais c'est peut-être parce que j'ai
> passé Systemd en debug), mais également lorsque des tâches cron sont lancées.
> 
> D'ailleurs ce second point me fait penser à un cas que tu devrais vérifier.
> Est-ce que ton service utilisateur est lancé également lors du démarrage de
> tâches cron d'un des utilisateurs qui l'aurait activé ?


  Oui, hé hé : Voilà un empirisme exigeant ! Mon intuition bordélique
me dirait que cron n'est pas exécuté avec l'identité des contrab's des
utilisateurs [et donc, logind ne verrait pas de connexion qui déclencherait
le default.target de l'utilisateur]… mais la question valait bien un
test (après avoir « enabled » le usrtmp.service pour l'utilisateur
« fictif » et déconnecté fictif partout) :

  $ sudo -u fictif contrab -l
  10 18 27 10 *  sleep 5 && [ -d /tmp/fictif_usrtmp ] && touch 
/tmp/test-cron-systemd-oui || touch /tmp/test-cron-systemd-non

et à 18h12 :
  $ ls /tmp/test-cron-systemd-*
  /tmp/test-cron-systemd-non

et en effet, journalctl ne montre aucun « starting » correspondant (ce
qui ne veut pas encore dire que mon intuition est la bonne… faudrait que
je RTFM cron comme il faut ^^).

  C'est sympa d'être venu prêter main forte à Charles pour me
démonologuer. Merci Sébastien.

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partition /var pleine à 100 %

[Bernard Schoenacker]

bonjour,

cf sujet ...

du -s /var/*
16M /var/backups
259M/var/cache
16K /var/games
587M/var/lib
4,0K/var/local
0   /var/lock
36G /var/log
4,0K/var/mail
4,0K/var/opt
0   /var/run
92K /var/spool
12M /var/tmp

df / 
Sys. de fichiers Type Taille Utilisé Dispo Uti% Monté sur
/dev/sda1ext446G 46G 0 100% /

df -i /
Sys. de fichiers Type Inœuds IUtil. ILibre IUti% Monté sur
/dev/sda1ext4   3,0M   362K   2,6M   13% /


 du -s /var/cache/*
8,0K/var/cache/analog
4,0K/var/cache/apparmor
du: impossible de lire le répertoire
 « /var/cache/apt/archives/partial »: Permission non accordée
 71M/var/cache/apt 120M /var/cache/apt-xapian-index
124K/var/cache/command-not-found
du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/cups »: Permission
 non accordée 4,0K  /var/cache/cups
8,0M/var/cache/debconf
48K /var/cache/dictionaries-common
2,4M/var/cache/fontconfig
4,0K/var/cache/fonts
du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/ldconfig »:
 Permission non accordée 4,0K   /var/cache/ldconfig
du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/libvirt »: Permission
 non accordée 4,0K  /var/cache/libvirt
du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/lightdm »: Permission
 non accordée 4,0K  /var/cache/lightdm
2,4M/var/cache/man
8,0K/var/cache/PackageKit
45M /var/cache/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
4,0K/var/cache/pm-utils
4,0K/var/cache/ttf-root-installer

j'ai lancé bleachbit pour faire le ménage mais 

ensuite les pistes employées : 

https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?id=10399
https://www.isalo.org/wiki.debian-fr/Partition-pleine


bref à part tout mettre à plat je ne vois pas d'autres solution

slt
bernard

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Curt]

On 2015-10-27, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
>
> If Epiphany starts eating RAM, the OOM-killer should handle it, if it's
> a problem with a hang in the GPU, it should be reset.=20
>
> Before filing a bug, you, or anyone else who can reproduce the bug need
> to investigate.

Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380

Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).

Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.

Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
rectangular frisbee or something). 

Or are they still rectangular?

> I cc'ed you, but consider subscribing.
>
> Cheers,
> Sven Arvidsson
> http://www.whiz.se
> PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Sébastien NOBILI]

Le mardi 27 octobre 2015 à 13:52, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> Sous Linux, une fois la ré-installation faite sur l'autre ordinateur,
> il suffit de le rebooter une à deux fois, en mode dépannage, 
> et tout baigne. 

Non, ce n'est pas nécessaire, d'ailleurs, je n'ai jamais vu à quoi ressemblaie
le mode dépannage :-D. Si je devais faire plusieurs boots à chaque fois que je
change de machine, il y a bien longtemps que j'aurais abandonné cette façon de
faire.

Je branche, je lance, ça marche, je peux travailler.

> Excepté de devoir installer des pilotes sur le PC de ré-installation,
> si ses périphériques sont différents de l'ordinateur original.

Là par contre, je suis d'accord. Quoique ça se limite en général au microcode
pour les cartes Wifi.

Sébastien

Re: Pourquoi vous aimez le logiciel Libre ?

[sTriX]

le mardi 27 octobre 2015 à 16:12 (+0100), maderios a écrit:
> Quoi, j'ai écrit "politique"? Et bien oui, le fait de dire m... aux
> multinationales qui rackettent les utilisateurs est un geste
> politique, surtout à une époque (1999) où, pour un utilisateur
> lambda,  se servir de Linux, ce "n'était pas de la tarte"...
> Vive le libre pour le libre.

C'est à la même époque que je me suis mis à GNU/GNU/GNU/Linux. ;)
J'ai plongé dans la marmite par souci éthique & philosophique.
Je confirme qu'à l'époque ce "n'était pas de la tarte", et parfois
j'étais submergé par des crises de désespoir...  J'ai tenu bon
et puis GNU/GNU/Linux s'est beaucoup amélioré ! Grâce soit rendu 
aux développeurs du monde entier qui n'ont pas ménagé leurs efforts,
et aux utilisateurs qui ont persisté à faire confiance à ce système. 
En ce temps là, le monde informatique d'alors n'aurait pas misé un 
bouton de culotte sur GNU/GNU/Linux. Merci à tous ceux qui se sont 
entêtés & qui n'ont pas reculé d'un pas.
-- 
Gérard 

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Manolo Díaz]

El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:42 UTC
Maykel Franco escribió:

> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:35, Manolo Díaz
>  escribió:
> > El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:28 UTC
> > Maykel Franco escribió:
> >  
> >> > ¿Puedes ver qué proceso lo ocupa aparte de 757250?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Manolo Díaz
> >> >  
> >>
> >> Esto por un lado:
> >>
> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ps aux | grep -i lzop  
> >
> > [...]
> >  
> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# lsof -p 757250  
> >
> > No, me refería a quién ocupa /proc/757250/fd/0
> >
> > lsof | grep /proc/757250/fd/0
> >
> >
> > --
> > Manolo Díaz
> >  
> 
> 
> Me devuelve bastantes lineas que se repiten estas dos:
> 
> lsof: no pwd entry for UID 110
> lsof: no pwd entry for UID 111
> 

Usuarios de sistema. Mira a ver si tienen procesos abiertos anteriores
al 15 de octubre.

-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Manolo Díaz]

El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:28 UTC
Maykel Franco escribió:

> > ¿Puedes ver qué proceso lo ocupa aparte de 757250?
> >
> > --
> > Manolo Díaz
> >  
> 
> Esto por un lado:
> 
> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ps aux | grep -i lzop

[...]

> root@test:/var/lib/vz# lsof -p 757250

No, me refería a quién ocupa /proc/757250/fd/0

lsof | grep /proc/757250/fd/0


-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Security and privacy are not products. No software provides them as a 
finished product ready for consumption. Software is just a tool used in 
achieving either. One must also ask and answer: security against 
_what_?. The habits of the user are just as important, and very often 
they are the weakest link.


In other words, do not think that you have privacy or security just 
because you are using some particular security-related or 
privacy-related piece of software or protocol, like GNU PG, Tor, TLS or 
an hypothetical hardened Desktop environment; these software do their 
job, and usually are good at it, but if you have bad practices, then you 
will be turning all of that software into just a hindrance to an 
attacker. Just for en example, study the case of "dread pirate roberts".


El 27/10/15 a las 08:16, Michael Jones escribió:

I prefer xfce but why just comes down to preference, it feels cleaner,
faster and simpler, but that's just me

Only way to find out is to give them all a go (at least on livecd)

Privacy is the same across all, although gnome3 has some extra gui for some
preferences for wiping temp files i think, (could be done with a crontab)

Security wise i'd expect them all to be roughly the same again, the main
sec vulns on desktop come from software for login or screenlock stuff thats
generic (although these are rare), your far more likely to have vulnerable
user space applications than the dm itself.

So the only thing to pick off is preference and feel really
On 27 Oct 2015 1:51 pm, "Mateusz Kozłowski"  wrote:



Hi,
Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security
and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE,
GNOME etc.)?

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Maykel Franco]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:50, Manolo Díaz
 escribió:
> El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:42 UTC
> Maykel Franco escribió:
>
>> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:35, Manolo Díaz
>>  escribió:
>> > El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:28 UTC
>> > Maykel Franco escribió:
>> >
>> >> > ¿Puedes ver qué proceso lo ocupa aparte de 757250?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Manolo Díaz
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Esto por un lado:
>> >>
>> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ps aux | grep -i lzop
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# lsof -p 757250
>> >
>> > No, me refería a quién ocupa /proc/757250/fd/0
>> >
>> > lsof | grep /proc/757250/fd/0
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Manolo Díaz
>> >
>>
>>
>> Me devuelve bastantes lineas que se repiten estas dos:
>>
>> lsof: no pwd entry for UID 110
>> lsof: no pwd entry for UID 111
>>
>
> Usuarios de sistema. Mira a ver si tienen procesos abiertos anteriores
> al 15 de octubre.
>
> --
> Manolo Díaz
>

Quieres que obtenga los procesos de ese identificador uid
correspondiente a los usuarios de sistema?

Re: Alternativa a kill -9

[Manolo Díaz]

El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:56 UTC
Maykel Franco escribió:

> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:50, Manolo Díaz
>  escribió:
> > El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:42 UTC
> > Maykel Franco escribió:
> >  
> >> El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 17:35, Manolo Díaz
> >>  escribió:  
> >> > El martes, 27 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:28 UTC
> >> > Maykel Franco escribió:
> >> >  
> >> >> > ¿Puedes ver qué proceso lo ocupa aparte de 757250?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Manolo Díaz
> >> >> >  
> >> >>
> >> >> Esto por un lado:
> >> >>
> >> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# ps aux | grep -i lzop  
> >> >
> >> > [...]
> >> >  
> >> >> root@test:/var/lib/vz# lsof -p 757250  
> >> >
> >> > No, me refería a quién ocupa /proc/757250/fd/0
> >> >
> >> > lsof | grep /proc/757250/fd/0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Manolo Díaz
> >> >  
> >>
> >>
> >> Me devuelve bastantes lineas que se repiten estas dos:
> >>
> >> lsof: no pwd entry for UID 110
> >> lsof: no pwd entry for UID 111
> >>  
> >
> > Usuarios de sistema. Mira a ver si tienen procesos abiertos anteriores
> > al 15 de octubre.
> >
> > --
> > Manolo Díaz
> >  
> 
> Quieres que obtenga los procesos de ese identificador uid
> correspondiente a los usuarios de sistema?
> 

Sí,

ps x u110
ps x u111

-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: kernel 4.2 de backports y drivers nvidia

[Carlos Zuniga]

2015-10-27 11:47 GMT-05:00 Josu Lazkano :
> Hola de nuevo,
>
> Algunos ya sabeis que esta semana he andado preguntando en la lista
> sobre como instalar el kernel 4.2 de los backports de Jessie. Gracias
> a vosotros he conseguido hacerlo de esta manera tan simple:
>
> apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
>
> Ahora me he puesto a actualizar todas mis maquinas, incluidas un HTPC
> con Nvidia ION. El problema que tengo ahora es que no inicia el
> entorno grafico, se me queda la pantalla en negro y este es el log de
> Xorg: http://paste.debian.net/318372/
>
> Segun la quinta linea pone: Build Operating System: Linux
> 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian
>
> ¿Puede que tenga que instalar algun otro paquete desde los backports
> aparte del kernel?
>
> Hasta ahora, para poder obtener aceleracion grafico por hardwre con
> esto me bastaba:
>
> apt-get install nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-xconfig
> nvidia-xconfig
> reboot
>
> Agradezco todas vuestras respuestas.
>

Los drivers de nvidia tienen que ser compilados para el kernel en el
que se van a usar, tienes que recompilarlos. Busca un paquete
nvidia-kernel-xxx donde xxx es la version de tu kernel o mira si hay
un paquete con el driver binario en backports.

Re: partition /var pleine à 100 %

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:59:23 +0100,
Christophe  a écrit :

> Hello,
> 
> Le 27/10/2015 19:45, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> >
> > du -s /var/*
> > [...]
> >
> > 36G /var/log
> >  
> 
> du -sh /var/log/* ?
> 
> Tout dépend de l'utilisation qui est faite de la machine, mais pour
> ma part, je commencerais par la : 36 Go de log , c'est juste énorme.
> 
> @+
> Christophe.
> 
bonjour,

c'est pas un serveur c'est poste de travail tout bête 


du -sh /var/log/*
16K /var/log/alternatives.log
4,0K/var/log/apparmor
672K/var/log/apt
44K /var/log/aptitude
24K /var/log/auth.log
0   /var/log/btmp
248K/var/log/chrony
48K /var/log/clamav
12K /var/log/cups
76K /var/log/daemon.log
0   /var/log/debug
8,0K/var/log/denyhosts
4,0K/var/log/dmesg
1,3M/var/log/dpkg.log
8,0K/var/log/exim4
4,0K/var/log/fail2ban.log
8,0K/var/log/faillog
4,0K/var/log/firebird
8,0K/var/log/fontconfig.log
12K /var/log/fsck
8,0K/var/log/hp
15M /var/log/installer
4,0K/var/log/kern.log
16K /var/log/lastlog
16K /var/log/libvirt
24K /var/log/lightdm
4,0K/var/log/mail.err
4,0K/var/log/mail.info
4,0K/var/log/mail.log
4,0K/var/log/mail.warn
12G /var/log/messages
4,0K/var/log/privoxy
4,0K/var/log/speech-dispatcher
12G /var/log/syslog
0   /var/log/teamviewer
4,0K/var/log/tetrinetx
8,0K/var/log/tor
12G /var/log/user.log
4,0K/var/log/vbox-install.log
56K /var/log/wtmp
20K /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Re: partition /var pleine à 100 %

[Erwan David]

Le 27/10/2015 20:10, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> Le Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:59:23 +0100,
> Christophe  a écrit :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Le 27/10/2015 19:45, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
>>> du -s /var/*
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> 36G /var/log
>>>  
>> du -sh /var/log/* ?
>>
>> Tout dépend de l'utilisation qui est faite de la machine, mais pour
>> ma part, je commencerais par la : 36 Go de log , c'est juste énorme.
>>
>> @+
>> Christophe.
>>
> bonjour,
>
> c'est pas un serveur c'est poste de travail tout bête 
>
>
> du -sh /var/log/*
> 16K   /var/log/alternatives.log
> 4,0K  /var/log/apparmor
> 672K  /var/log/apt
> 44K   /var/log/aptitude
> 24K   /var/log/auth.log
> 0 /var/log/btmp
> 248K  /var/log/chrony
> 48K   /var/log/clamav
> 12K   /var/log/cups
> 76K   /var/log/daemon.log
> 0 /var/log/debug
> 8,0K  /var/log/denyhosts
> 4,0K  /var/log/dmesg
> 1,3M  /var/log/dpkg.log
> 8,0K  /var/log/exim4
> 4,0K  /var/log/fail2ban.log
> 8,0K  /var/log/faillog
> 4,0K  /var/log/firebird
> 8,0K  /var/log/fontconfig.log
> 12K   /var/log/fsck
> 8,0K  /var/log/hp
> 15M   /var/log/installer
> 4,0K  /var/log/kern.log
> 16K   /var/log/lastlog
> 16K   /var/log/libvirt
> 24K   /var/log/lightdm
> 4,0K  /var/log/mail.err
> 4,0K  /var/log/mail.info
> 4,0K  /var/log/mail.log
> 4,0K  /var/log/mail.warn
> 12G   /var/log/messages
> 4,0K  /var/log/privoxy
> 4,0K  /var/log/speech-dispatcher
> 12G   /var/log/syslog
> 0 /var/log/teamviewer
> 4,0K  /var/log/tetrinetx
> 8,0K  /var/log/tor
> 12G   /var/log/user.log
> 4,0K  /var/log/vbox-install.log
> 56K   /var/log/wtmp
> 20K   /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>
>

On dirait bien que tes logs ne tournent pas (tu aurais du messages.1 par
exemple)
Moi je supprimerais user.log et messages, relancer syslog (pour fermer
les fichiers et être sûr que la place soit libérée) puis vérifier que
logrotate est bien là, voire le réinstaller.

Re: partition /var pleine à 100 %

[yamo']

Salut,

Bernard Schoenacker a écrit le 27/10/2015 19:50 :
> bonjour,
> 
> cf sujet ...
> 
> du -s /var/*


> 36G   /var/log

Ça me paraît énorme!


Si tu ne peux pas tailler à la serpe dans /var/log, le plus simple
serait en init 1 ou en détecter ce qui écrit dans /var/log de déplacer
ailleurs /var/log :


lsof +D /var/log
si pas de réponse :
mv /var/log /opt/var_log
mkdir /var/log
mount -o bind /opt/var_log /var/log




-- 
Stéphane

Métodos para guardar contraseñas

[listascor...@msjs.co]

Hola que tal lista?... ¿todo bien?

Tengo un guión donde necesito utilizar una contraseña... la contraseña
la tengo en otro archivo gpg simétrico (requiere clave pa' descomprimir)
¿cuáles métodos sugieren para guardar la contraseña "$clave" y decifrar
el gpg simétrico?

guión:
variable=$(cat /ruta/contraseña.bash.gpg | gpg -d --no-mdc-warning
--passphrase "$clave" --quiet | bash)
variable1=variable

Saludos,

Re: LDAP PROXY LDAP-CLIENT

[TheFox]

Sí, se puede hacer lo que dices.
El 27/10/2015 21:29, "Edward Villarroel (EDD)" 
escribió:

> Debes responder a la lista no al personal!!
>
>
>
> okey si eso se que se puede o terminar haciendo una vpn... también lo
> analice pero el caso es si como tengo el proxy nginx asi como defino local
> host para servidores http que quiero esponer hacia internet se puede hacer
> una configuración para otro tipo de aplicativos  como el ldap
>
>
>  server {
> listen 80;
> server_name security.xxx.com;
>
> location / {
>
> proxy_set_headerHost $host;
> proxy_set_headerX-Real-IP $remote_addr;
> proxy_set_headerX-Forwarded-For
> $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for;
> proxy_set_headerX-Forwarded-Proto $scheme;
>
> # Fix the “It appears that your reverse proxy set up is
> broken" error
> proxy_pass  ldap://192.168.100.20:389/;
> proxy_read_timeout  90;
>
>
> }
> }
>
>
>
>
>
> Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd
>
>
> El 27 de octubre de 2015, 15:54, TheFox 
> escribió:
>
>> Puedes hacer algo muy sencillo: utilizar un dispositivo de conexión
>> (router o switch) que actúe como puente entre la red desde la que quieres
>> acceder al servidor LDAP y tu red interna.
>> Esto se consigue haciendo que un router o un switch que se encuentre
>> dentro de la red desde la que te quieras conectar a tu red interna se
>> conecte a otro router u otro swich que no se encuentre en dicha red (es
>> decir, la red externa desde la que te quieres conectar), el cual, a su vez,
>> debe de estar conectado a tu router; para que, de esta manera, actúe de
>> puente entre el router o el switch de la red externa desde la que te
>> quieras conectar y tu router (no sé si me he explicado bien).
>> El 27/10/2015 21:07, "Edward Villarroel (EDD)" <
>> edward.villarr...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> buenas tardes comunidad
>>>
>>> tengo un servidor ldap en mi red interna... y necesito llegarle atreves
>>> de Internet
>>> mi moden adsl tiene habilitado el puerto 80 y mi router desvía todas las
>>> peticiones de ese puerto a un servidor nginx que uso como proxy inverso...
>>>
>>> ahora como hago para llegar a ese ldap desde otra red por internet???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd
>>>
>>
>

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:01 +0100, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most
> security and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian
> users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME etc.)?

Hand picking components and evaluating them on their own is probably
the best way to go.

Possibly also examining alternatives to Debian, such as Tails or Qubes
OS, depending on how security conscious and/or attached to Debian you
are.

-- 
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Re: kernel 4.2 de backports y drivers nvidia

[Josu Lazkano]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 19:08, Carlos Zuniga
 escribió:
> 2015-10-27 11:47 GMT-05:00 Josu Lazkano :
>> Hola de nuevo,
>>
>> Algunos ya sabeis que esta semana he andado preguntando en la lista
>> sobre como instalar el kernel 4.2 de los backports de Jessie. Gracias
>> a vosotros he conseguido hacerlo de esta manera tan simple:
>>
>> apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
>>
>> Ahora me he puesto a actualizar todas mis maquinas, incluidas un HTPC
>> con Nvidia ION. El problema que tengo ahora es que no inicia el
>> entorno grafico, se me queda la pantalla en negro y este es el log de
>> Xorg: http://paste.debian.net/318372/
>>
>> Segun la quinta linea pone: Build Operating System: Linux
>> 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian
>>
>> ¿Puede que tenga que instalar algun otro paquete desde los backports
>> aparte del kernel?
>>
>> Hasta ahora, para poder obtener aceleracion grafico por hardwre con
>> esto me bastaba:
>>
>> apt-get install nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-xconfig
>> nvidia-xconfig
>> reboot
>>
>> Agradezco todas vuestras respuestas.
>>
>
> Los drivers de nvidia tienen que ser compilados para el kernel en el
> que se van a usar, tienes que recompilarlos. Busca un paquete
> nvidia-kernel-xxx donde xxx es la version de tu kernel o mira si hay
> un paquete con el driver binario en backports.
>

Gracias Carlos,

Desde los repositorios que tengo (incluido los backports) solo tengo
disponible estos:

# apt-cache search nvidia-kernel
nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module support files
libcuda1 - NVIDIA CUDA Driver Library
nvidia-driver - NVIDIA metapackage
nvidia-kernel-dkms - NVIDIA binary kernel module DKMS source
nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
nvidia-vdpau-driver - Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix - NVIDIA driver
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
nvidia-kernel-3.16.0-4-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux
3.16.0-4-amd64
nvidia-kernel-amd64 - NVIDIA kernel module for Linux (amd64 flavor)
nvidia-kernel-dummy - NVIDIA kernel module for Linux 2.6 (dummy package)

Esta el de 3.16, pero no el 4.2. ¿Lo tendre que compilar o algo asi?

Muchas gracias por todo.

Un saludo.

-- 
Josu Lazkano

Re: Regarding Hotspot configuration

[Matt Ventura]

On 10/23/2015 08:56 PM, Himanshu Shekhar wrote:

Got it!
My wireless driver is "wl", and "iw list" shows that it doesn't 
supports "ap" mode. Also, I have browsed Linux_Drivers_page 
 and Wikipedia_article 
 about 
the same, and found that there were no "wl" drivers, but something 
like "wl***".
My "iw list" and "lspci -v" outputs are attached. Please have a look 
at them.
Also, I didn't mention that my hardware has bluetooth and wireless 
combined, and bluetooth doesn't work.

It would be great if anyone could suggest the proper drivers.

Thanks for help!

Regards,
Himanshu Shekhar



Looking at that, it doesn't look like it supports AP mode.
If it does, it would say "AP" and/or "AP/VLAN" under "Supported 
interface modes".


Matt Ventura

debian lenny

[Manoel Pedro de Araújo]

Olá, amigos eu gostaria de voltar a usar o Debian lenny, alguem sabe se ele
está sendo atualizado.

outra coisa, os aplicativos atuais podem ser instalado nele?

Qual a opinião de vcs a respeito de alguem querer usá-lo novamente?

-- 
Manoel

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 17:07 +, Curt wrote:
> Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380
> 
> Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
> a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).
> 
> Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.
> 
> Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
> driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
> rectangular frisbee or something). 
> 
> Or are they still rectangular?

Probably the same, I get the same behaviour on both sites, with an AMD
GPU.

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LDAP PROXY LDAP-CLIENT

[Edward Villarroel (EDD)]

buenas tardes comunidad

tengo un servidor ldap en mi red interna... y necesito llegarle atreves de
Internet
mi moden adsl tiene habilitado el puerto 80 y mi router desvía todas las
peticiones de ese puerto a un servidor nginx que uso como proxy inverso...

ahora como hago para llegar a ese ldap desde otra red por internet???






Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd

Re: Regarding Hotspot configuration

[Matt Ventura]

On 10/24/2015 01:26 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote:

On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 14:38 -0700, Matt Ventura wrote:

I'm not sure about that, I just told n-m to create a new network,
and it did ad-hoc even though my card supports AP mode.
Can you check in iwconfig to confirm it's actually an AP?

iwconfig does say master mode.


What card is it?
With my Intel 7260 (which works as an AP if I use hostapd directly),
n-m only wants to create an ad-hoc network.
Does it present you with the option to create an AP mode network?

Matt Ventura

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Glenn English]

On Oct 27, 2015, at 2:27 AM, Abou Al Montacir  wrote:

> It is not about a buggy program, it is about a stable system,

Ya' know, it might well not be Linux problem, but Gnome that's freezing your 
computer. Have you tried XFCE or KDE? Or, just to check, lynx from a genuine 
command line terminal? (There won't be any pictures from lynx, but you'll be 
able to tell if the connection is successful, and it would eliminate a variable 
or two in the troubleshooting -- like the entire collection of GUIs.)

And thanks, Lisi, for forwarding things for me before I noticed that Abou 
wasn't subscribed.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: partition /var pleine à 100 %

[Christophe]

Hello,

Le 27/10/2015 19:45, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :


du -s /var/*
[...]

36G /var/log



du -sh /var/log/* ?

Tout dépend de l'utilisation qui est faite de la machine, mais pour ma 
part, je commencerais par la : 36 Go de log , c'est juste énorme.


@+
Christophe.

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:30 +0100, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've looked into that issue a bit futher, and as far as I can test
> within the confines of a VM I can say that
> 1) I can still access the TTYs and
> 2) the OOM killer removes the offending process as soon as both RAM
> and Swap is full. Since your Swap is rather large it takes a long
> time
> to fill up, during which time the system constantly has to swap in
> and
> out programs you might be using.

Very interesting. I retried loading the page in Epiphany and noticed
this in the terminal:

 radeon: mmap failed, errno: 12

Trying to get a backtrace with gdb resulted in an X crash, so that page
is doing something WebKit or Epiphany doesn't like at all.

I filed a bug here, to start with:

 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757213

Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.

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Re: partition /var pleine à 100 %

[Erwan David]

Le 27/10/2015 19:59, Christophe a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> Le 27/10/2015 19:45, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
>>
>> du -s /var/*
>> [...]
>>
>> 36G/var/log
>>
>
> du -sh /var/log/* ?
>
> Tout dépend de l'utilisation qui est faite de la machine, mais pour ma
> part, je commencerais par la : 36 Go de log , c'est juste énorme.
>
> @+
> Christophe.
>
>

Et si tu ne vois rien de probant, lsof +L1 pour repérer s'il n'y a pas
des fichiers supprimmés mais encore ouvert (ça arrive dans les logs).
Ils continuent à prendre de la place tant qu'ils ne sont pas fermés

Re: partition /var pleine à 100 %

[Zoddo]

Le 27/10/2015 19:50, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> bonjour,
> 
> cf sujet ...
> 
> du -s /var/*
> 16M   /var/backups
> 259M  /var/cache
> 16K   /var/games
> 587M  /var/lib
> 4,0K  /var/local
> 0 /var/lock
> 36G   /var/log
> 4,0K  /var/mail
> 4,0K  /var/opt
> 0 /var/run
> 92K   /var/spool
> 12M   /var/tmp
> 
> df / 
> Sys. de fichiers Type Taille Utilisé Dispo Uti% Monté sur
> /dev/sda1ext446G 46G 0 100% /
> 
> df -i /
> Sys. de fichiers Type Inœuds IUtil. ILibre IUti% Monté sur
> /dev/sda1ext4   3,0M   362K   2,6M   13% /
> 
> 
>  du -s /var/cache/*
> 8,0K  /var/cache/analog
> 4,0K  /var/cache/apparmor
> du: impossible de lire le répertoire
>  « /var/cache/apt/archives/partial »: Permission non accordée
>  71M  /var/cache/apt 120M /var/cache/apt-xapian-index
> 124K  /var/cache/command-not-found
> du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/cups »: Permission
>  non accordée 4,0K/var/cache/cups
> 8,0M  /var/cache/debconf
> 48K   /var/cache/dictionaries-common
> 2,4M  /var/cache/fontconfig
> 4,0K  /var/cache/fonts
> du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/ldconfig »:
>  Permission non accordée 4,0K /var/cache/ldconfig
> du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/libvirt »: Permission
>  non accordée 4,0K/var/cache/libvirt
> du: impossible de lire le répertoire « /var/cache/lightdm »: Permission
>  non accordée 4,0K/var/cache/lightdm
> 2,4M  /var/cache/man
> 8,0K  /var/cache/PackageKit
> 45M   /var/cache/pepperflashplugin-nonfree
> 4,0K  /var/cache/pm-utils
> 4,0K  /var/cache/ttf-root-installer
> 
> j'ai lancé bleachbit pour faire le ménage mais 
> 
> ensuite les pistes employées : 
> 
> https://debian-facile.org/viewtopic.php?id=10399
> https://www.isalo.org/wiki.debian-fr/Partition-pleine
> 
> 
> bref à part tout mettre à plat je ne vois pas d'autres solution
> 
> slt
> bernard
> 
Bonjour,

Essaie de purger tes logs ... Je ne suis pas sur que tes 36 Go de logs
te sont utiles.

Re: LDAP PROXY LDAP-CLIENT

[Edward Villarroel (EDD)]

Debes responder a la lista no al personal!!



okey si eso se que se puede o terminar haciendo una vpn... también lo
analice pero el caso es si como tengo el proxy nginx asi como defino local
host para servidores http que quiero esponer hacia internet se puede hacer
una configuración para otro tipo de aplicativos  como el ldap


 server {
listen 80;
server_name security.xxx.com;

location / {

proxy_set_headerHost $host;
proxy_set_headerX-Real-IP $remote_addr;
proxy_set_headerX-Forwarded-For
$proxy_add_x_forwarded_for;
proxy_set_headerX-Forwarded-Proto $scheme;

# Fix the “It appears that your reverse proxy set up is
broken" error
proxy_pass  ldap://192.168.100.20:389/;
proxy_read_timeout  90;


}
}





Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd


El 27 de octubre de 2015, 15:54, TheFox 
escribió:

> Puedes hacer algo muy sencillo: utilizar un dispositivo de conexión
> (router o switch) que actúe como puente entre la red desde la que quieres
> acceder al servidor LDAP y tu red interna.
> Esto se consigue haciendo que un router o un switch que se encuentre
> dentro de la red desde la que te quieras conectar a tu red interna se
> conecte a otro router u otro swich que no se encuentre en dicha red (es
> decir, la red externa desde la que te quieres conectar), el cual, a su vez,
> debe de estar conectado a tu router; para que, de esta manera, actúe de
> puente entre el router o el switch de la red externa desde la que te
> quieras conectar y tu router (no sé si me he explicado bien).
> El 27/10/2015 21:07, "Edward Villarroel (EDD)" <
> edward.villarr...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> buenas tardes comunidad
>>
>> tengo un servidor ldap en mi red interna... y necesito llegarle atreves
>> de Internet
>> mi moden adsl tiene habilitado el puerto 80 y mi router desvía todas las
>> peticiones de ese puerto a un servidor nginx que uso como proxy inverso...
>>
>> ahora como hago para llegar a ese ldap desde otra red por internet???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd
>>
>

Re: switch back to gnome 3.16

[Floris]

Op Tue, 27 Oct 2015 06:12:16 +0100 schreef moxalt :


On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:39:06 +0100, Floris  wrote:


Op Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:20:11 +0100 schreef Floris :

> What is the easiest way to switch back to gnome 3.16, now both testing
> and unstable have 3.18?
>

I know I can add all the dependencies by hand, but maybe there is an  
easy

solution.

Thanks,

floris




Why are you trying to downgrade from 3.18 to 3.16? Is 3.18 not working  
for you

or something?



Yes, unfortunately is the combination of Nvidia, Gnome 3.18 and a multi
seat setup not working. So I try to figure out where the problem is.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802335


Downgrading packages in Debian is very difficult. It has been done, but  
it is

virtually impossible unless you're willing to do lots of manual.. stuff.



Ok. I will give it a go and try by hand

Thanks,

floris

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 13:30:02 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> as Debian by default installs
> Iceweasel, not Epiphany.

Do oyu mean "Gnome by default" etc.?  Debian certainly doesn't.

Lisi

Re: debian lenny

[Paulino Kenji Sato]

Ola,

2015-10-27 18:48 GMT-02:00 Manoel Pedro de Araújo :

> Olá, amigos eu gostaria de voltar a usar o Debian lenny, alguem sabe se
> ele está sendo atualizado.
>

Não.
A rigor, nenhuma versão e atualizada depois do lançamento.
Somente recebem atualizações de segurança. E deixam de receber algum tempo
depois do lançamento do sucessor.


> outra coisa, os aplicativos atuais podem ser instalado nele?
>

Não na forma de pacotes .deb.
Algumas, nem mesmo compilando.
Então, as verões dos programas são aquelas da época do lançamento. Em raras
ocasiões, pode ser atualizado para uma versão mais recente, devido a
problemas de segurança.
Existem os chamados backports, mas não abrange todos os pacotes, devem ser
usando somente em casos específicos, pois pode deixar o sistema "quebrado".



> Qual a opinião de vcs a respeito de alguem querer usá-lo novamente?
>

Saudosismo?


> --
> Manoel
>


A partir da versão 6 foi introduzido o chamado suporte de longo prazo
(lts,  Long Term Support, suporte estendido), o lts do Debian 6 a principio
vai até Fevereiro de 2016.
Mesmo o lts, e somente para atualizações de segurança, correções de bugs.

A versão de Debian que atualmente uso e o 6.0.10. Esta nessa versão devido
a preguiça, já que esta "quase" tudo funcionando a contento.

Qual o motivo de querer usar o 6?



-- 
Paulino Kenji Sato

Re: Questions concernant Sid, Digikam et KDE

[maderios]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:10:23 +0100
"Sylvain L. Sauvage"  wrote:

>   Non seulement il y a eu la transition GCC 5 (ou plutôt G++ 5) 
> mais Digikam a aussi été pris dans la transition auto-marble 
> (plus de lien actif, elle doit être finie) et, comme le dit le 
> lien que tu as déjà donné, il est dans la future transition 
> auto-kdepim.
>   Bref, le pauvre Digikam semble cahoté par les transitions 
> successives et doit aussi souffrir d’un léger manque d’affection 
> (ou alors les DD attendent la 5.0?).
> 
>   Sinon, perso, j’ai eu besoin de sa fonction de détection des 
> doubles (différente de findimagedupes) alors je l’installé en 
> « local » via le tarball des sources (lire README.LOCAL). Il 
> fonctionne bien pour ce que j’en fais.
>   Note: à compiler avec Qt4 (paquet qt4-default installé).
>(Aussi, attention au copié-collé, il y a une erreur dans
> l’alias proposé : kde-neb au lieu de kde-$USER.)
> 
J'avais essayé de compiler DK à une certaine époque mais vu le manque de 
bibliothèque .deb à jour, j'avais du compiler une foultitude de programmes, 
tout cela pour obtenir un résultat foireux. Néanmoins, je vais retenter la 
chose avec les libs dispo dans Sid.

-- 
Maderios

Re: kernel 4.2 de backports y drivers nvidia

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 27/10/15 a las 19:08, Carlos Zuniga escribió:
> Los drivers de nvidia tienen que ser compilados para el kernel en el
> que se van a usar, tienes que recompilarlos. Busca un paquete
> nvidia-kernel-xxx donde xxx es la version de tu kernel o mira si hay
> un paquete con el driver binario en backports.

Para eso, ha de bajarse el paquete linux-headers, que también trae en el
backports y poder hacer la correspondiente compilación del módulo y
driver de la NVIDIA. Sino, no podrá hacer nada.

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Re: Debian Desktop Environment

[Tim McDonough]

I agree with several other comments with regards to security not being 
necessarily related to a specific desktop environment. In my opinion I 
think the best security comes from using both a Linux distribution and a 
desktop environment that you (or the admin) is very familiar with and 
understands configuration issues related to security. I believe if 
someone uses the "distro of the day" you are more likely to overlook 
something.


For whatever it may be worth my personal choice is usually LXDE on 
Debian. LXDE is pretty straight forward to configure and is seems fairly 
frugal with its use of resources. Outside of a server environment my 
main Linux machine is an older laptop. With LXDE and a solid state disk 
even a dual-core machine is very responsive.


Tim

Re: Dist-Upgrade via CD/DVD

[Fred Maranhão]

Em 27 de outubro de 2015 08:00, Christian Rosa
 escreveu:
> Bom dia pessoal, vou ser bem objetivo, tem como eu atualizar a distro
> utilizando o comando apt-get dist-upgrade sem necessidade de utilizar
> internet, ou seja baixar os pacotes utilizando o CD ?

veja se o pacote apt-offline te atende:

$ apt-cache show apt-offline
Description-pt_BR: gerenciador de pacotes APT offline
 apt-offline é um gestor de pacotes APT offline.
 .
 apt-offline pode fazer updates e upgrades completos em uma distribuição
 baseada em APT sem se conectar à internet, tudo de forma transparente para
 o APT.
 .
 apt-offline pode ser usado para gerar uma assinatura em uma máquina (sem
 rede). Esta assinatura contém todas as informações de download necessárias
 para o sistema de banco de dados do APT. Este assinatura pode ser usada em
 outra máquina conectada à internet (que não precisa ser um Debian, podendo
 ser até mesmo um windows) para baixar as atualizações. Os dados baixados
 vão conter todas as informações num formato que o APT entende e serão
 usadas pelo apt-offline para atualizar a máquina sem rede.
 .
 apt-offline pode baixar também relatórios de bug e torná-los disponíveis
 offline.

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 13:30:02 Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> (Iceweasel is the
> default for Debian for example)

It's not.  It's desktop dependant.

Lisi

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP

Lisi

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 17:07:47 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-10-27, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> > If Epiphany starts eating RAM, the OOM-killer should handle it, if it's
> > a problem with a hang in the GPU, it should be reset.=20
> >
> > Before filing a bug, you, or anyone else who can reproduce the bug need
> > to investigate.
>
> Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380
>
> Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
> a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).
>
> Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.
>
> Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
> driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
> rectangular frisbee or something).
>
> Or are they still rectangular?
>
> > I cc'ed you, but consider subscribing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sven Arvidsson
> > http://www.whiz.se
> > PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Abou Al Montacir]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 12:59 -0600, Glenn English wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 2:27 AM, Abou Al Montacir  wrote:
> 
> > It is not about a buggy program, it is about a stable system,
> 
> Ya' know, it might well not be Linux problem, but Gnome that's freezing your
> computer. Have you tried XFCE or KDE? Or, just to check, lynx from a genuine
> command line terminal? (There won't be any pictures from lynx, but you'll be
> able to tell if the connection is successful, and it would eliminate a
> variable or two in the troubleshooting -- like the entire collection of GUIs.)
> 
> And thanks, Lisi, for forwarding things for me before I noticed that Abou
> wasn't subscribed.
> 
Yes, the site works perfectly with iceweasel, but as I already said, I found it
strange that system freezes due to a program.
I'm going to test Peter's suggestion of limits.conf  that looks nice (at least
nicer than using iceweasel or chrome!).
-- 
Cheers,
Abou Al Montacir

Re: kernel 4.2 de backports y drivers nvidia

[Josu Lazkano]

El día 27 de octubre de 2015, 22:04, Santiago José López Borrazás
 escribió:
> El 27/10/15 a las 19:08, Carlos Zuniga escribió:
>> Los drivers de nvidia tienen que ser compilados para el kernel en el
>> que se van a usar, tienes que recompilarlos. Busca un paquete
>> nvidia-kernel-xxx donde xxx es la version de tu kernel o mira si hay
>> un paquete con el driver binario en backports.
>
> Para eso, ha de bajarse el paquete linux-headers, que también trae en el
> backports y poder hacer la correspondiente compilación del módulo y
> driver de la NVIDIA. Sino, no podrá hacer nada.
>
> --
> Saludos de Santiago José López Borrazás.
>

Gracias Santiago,

Ya tenia instalado los headers de la 4.2 , pero por si acaso he hecho
"apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-amd64".

He reinciado y nada, tambien he hecho "apt-get --reinstall install
nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-xconfig".

¿Como puedo compilar el modulo en cuestion?

Muchas gracias por vuestra ayuda.

Un saludo.

-- 
Josu Lazkano

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP
Lisi


On Tuesday 27 October 2015 19:53:11 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 17:07 +, Curt wrote:
> > Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.
> >
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380
> >
> > Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
> > a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).
> >
> > Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.
> >
> > Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
> > driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
> > rectangular frisbee or something).
> >
> > Or are they still rectangular?
>
> Probably the same, I get the same behaviour on both sites, with an AMD
> GPU.

Re: Debian Desktop Environment

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 13:01:09 Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and
> the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE,
> GNOME etc.)?

Speaking personally, and we will all do that, and you will get a great pile of 
different answers, including "don't use a desktop", but speaking personally, 
I recommend Trinity Desktop Environment.
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

Lisi

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 18:59:59 Glenn English wrote:
> And thanks, Lisi, for forwarding things for me before I noticed that Abou
> wasn't subscribed.

You're welcome - I have been left rather noticing such things after that 
latest thread. ;-)  I have been remiss in the past.

Lisi

Re: kernel 4.2 de backports y drivers nvidia

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 27/10/15 a las 23:05, Josu Lazkano escribió:
> Ya tenia instalado los headers de la 4.2 , pero por si acaso he hecho
> "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-amd64".
> 
> He reinciado y nada, tambien he hecho "apt-get --reinstall install
> nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-xconfig".
> 
> ¿Como puedo compilar el modulo en cuestion?

¿Tienes instalado nvidia-kernel-dkms? Debería, vamos, que luego habrías
hecho como sigue:

dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms

-- 
Saludos de Santiago José López Borrazás.



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Galère avec le noyau

[maderios]

Bonjour
Ceci concerne Jessie ainsi que les noyaux 3.16/jessie et 4.2/sid.
Sur un portable récent qui fonctionnait bien avec Jessie, j'ai installé un 
dual-boot avec une fedora beta (mise à jour) puis une Sid. J'ai du supprimer 
ces 2 distro invitées vu les galères que cela entraînait: plus de réseau et le 
message ci-dessous en prime. Ensuite, j'ai pensé que c'était un truc d'UUID. 
Donc j'ai viré l'option UUID dans grub que j'ai remplacée par le classique 
/dev/xxx. Aucun changement, je suis donc revenu à l'option UUID en les 
vérifiant avec blkid. 
Pour résumer, tout fonctionne sauf le réseau. Ce qui n'empêche pas le système 
d'afficher un superbe eth0: link up :(

Oct 27 22:02:41 debconchita kernel: r8169 :02:00.1: firmware: 
direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8411-2.fw
Oct 27 22:02:41 debconchita kernel: r8169 :02:00.1 eth0: link down
Oct 27 22:02:43 debconchita kernel: r8169 :02:00.1 eth0: link up
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: [ cut here ]
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: WARNING: CPU: 2 PID: 0 at 
/build/linux-9oV2VH/linux-4.2.3/net/sched/sch_generic.c:303 
dev_watchdog+0x231/0x240()
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (r8169): transmit 
queue 0 timed out
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: Modules linked in: cpufreq_stats 
cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_conservative nfsd auth_rpcgss 
oid_registry nfs_acl nfs lockd grace fscache sunrpc nls_utf8 nls_cp437 vfat fat 
x86_pkg_temp_thermal intel_powerclamp intel_rapl coretemp kvm_intel kvm joydev 
crct10dif_pclmul crc32_pclmul ghash_clmulni_intel sha256_ssse3 sha256_generic 
hmac drbg ansi_cprng aesni_intel aes_x86_64 lrw arc4 psmouse gf128mul 
asus_nb_wmi asus_wmi sparse_keymap ath3k mxm_wmi btusb iTCO_wdt btrtl 
iTCO_vendor_support btbcm ath9k btintel ath9k_common bluetooth ath9k_hw evdev 
ath mac80211 pcspkr crc16 glue_helper snd_hda_codec_hdmi serio_raw rtsx_pci_ms 
ablk_helper cryptd cfg80211 rfkill snd_soc_rt5640 snd_soc_rl6231 snd_soc_core 
snd_compress efi_pstore memstick efivars regmap_i2c i915 wmi dw_dmac 
dw_dmac_core
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  snd_soc_sst_acpi drm_kms_helper drm 
snd_hda_codec_realtek snd_hda_codec_generic i2c_algo_bit battery video 
processor_thermal_device int3402_thermal snd_hda_intel intel_soc_dts_iosf 
snd_hda_codec int340x_thermal_zone snd_hda_core snd_hwdep processor 
i2c_designware_platform i2c_designware_core acpi_pad button ac snd_pcm 
snd_timer iosf_mbi snd int3400_thermal acpi_thermal_rel soundcore shpchp 
i2c_i801 lpc_ich mei_me mei fuse parport_pc ppdev lp parport autofs4 xfs 
libcrc32c hid_generic usbhid sg sr_mod cdrom sd_mod rtsx_pci_sdmmc crc32c_intel 
ahci libahci xhci_pci libata xhci_hcd r8169 scsi_mod mii rtsx_pci mfd_core 
usbcore usb_common fan thermal thermal_sys i2c_hid sdhci_acpi sdhci hid mmc_core
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: CPU: 2 PID: 0 Comm: swapper/2 Not tainted 
4.2.0-1-amd64 #1 Debian 4.2.3-2
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: Hardware name: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. 
X751LB/X751LB, BIOS X751LB.201 01/13/2015
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:   81852d98 
81548ea6 8801aed03df8
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  8106e5a1  
8801a492c3e0 8801a492c000
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  0002 0001 
8106e61a 81852d58
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: Call Trace:
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:[] ? 
dump_stack+0x40/0x50
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
warn_slowpath_common+0x81/0xb0
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
warn_slowpath_fmt+0x4a/0x50
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? sched_clock+0x5/0x10
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
dev_watchdog+0x231/0x240
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
dev_deactivate_queue.constprop.34+0x60/0x60
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
call_timer_fn+0x30/0xe0
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
dev_deactivate_queue.constprop.34+0x60/0x60
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
run_timer_softirq+0x16e/0x290
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? read_tsc+0x5/0x10
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
__do_softirq+0xfe/0x250
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? irq_exit+0x92/0xa0
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x3e/0x50
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
apic_timer_interrupt+0x6b/0x70
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:[] ? 
cpuidle_enter_state+0xe8/0x220
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
cpuidle_enter_state+0xc3/0x220
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
cpu_startup_entry+0x256/0x310
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel:  [] ? 
start_secondary+0x178/0x1a0
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: ---[ end trace 8890f9b83b76aa5b ]---
Oct 27 22:02:56 debconchita kernel: r8169 :02:00.1 eth0: link up
Oct 27 22:09:07 debconchita kernel: r8169 :02:00.1 eth0: link up
-- 
maderios

Release-Critical Bugs Graph for the Past Year

[Hörmetjan Yiltiz]

Hi all,

I am now in a habit of checking the release-critical graph before doing
upgrade (I don't upgrade very often) along with apt-list-bugs.

We have a bug graphs for the past month, all history and the default. Do we
also have one for the past year? Inferring from the month link then trying
similar with self-created URL says 404.

Here is the month link:
https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/graph-month.png

I tried this year link:
https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/graph-year.png

Best,
Hörmet

He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive all
else from you (and me).
 -- The Prophet, Gibran
Kahlil