Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Richard Hector]

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On 02/01/16 07:05, Martin Read wrote:
> On 01/01/16 17:47, Ric Moore wrote:
>> On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote:
>>> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?
>> 
>> I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric
> 
> An image can feature full frontal nudity without being an exercise
> in sexual objectification, and equally can be an exercise in
> sexual objectification without featuring full frontal nudity.
> 
> A reasonable person could certainly conclude that quite a few of
> the images specifically called out by the original poster in this
> thread fall into the latter category.
> 

I tend to agree. I assumed there was something in Debian's core
documents (social contract etc) about this, but couldn't find it. I
did find something about how everyone will be willingly accepted, but
that could be applied either way ...

I'm also aware that the respondents to this thread so far appear to be
(apologies if I'm mistaken) male; I'm not sure whether the women of
the list have deliberately withheld comment?

Richard

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Re: RIP and Thank You.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 12/31/2015 08:48 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:


Everyone, please be safe out there.. Talk to people. Let them know
what's going on in your Life. I'm spending a SERIOUS amount of time
today kicking myself for having never even thought to track Ian down
and follow his musings because of his direct impact on my ability to
be able to keep up with the rest of you all...

Cindy.



Just like you Cindy, it never occurred to me that Ian would feel he had 
no one he could talk too, Ian and I where mutual friends, but we never 
talked, it just never occurred to me..this is so sad..


To you developers out there I challenge you to keep "Ian's Dream" alive, 
simple and modular as you go, I have no need for a corporate system or 
auto statistic gathers and updater's running in the background on my system.


Happy New Year to you all and may it be your best year ever,
James R. Johnson
--
Debian Jessie - KDE 4.14.2  - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: RIP and Thank You.

[Amir H. Firouziyan]

This is sad for me too and I found out this news by Debian logo.
R.I.P. Ian

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:14 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/
>
>

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Charlie]

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:22:13 +0100 deloptes sent:

> The only solution in my opinion is to explain and give a good example
> to the children for what is good and what is bad. Once they know it,
> they do not forget.

How often do the children see the worst sexism and other iniquities in
their home, where they are not recognised by the perpetrators?

Charlie

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***

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follows the new. Henry David Thoreau

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Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed.

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Re: Documentation complète sur la compilation de programmes

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2016-01-01 23:43:48 +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> On Friday 01 January 2016 23:29:25 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2016-01-01 22:50:37 +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> > > Qui a écrit que l'Assembleur n'était plus beaucoup utilisé :
> > > KolibriOS est un système d'exploitation, tout petit mais incroyablement 
> > > optimisé (OS Libre, publié en majorité sous licence GPL v2).
> > > Ces performances sont atteintes grâce à l'écriture du coeur de KolibriOS 
> > > (noyau et pilotes) en langage * assembleur FASM * :
> > > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASM
> > > Du fait de cette optimisation, il ne nécessite que quelques megaoctets 
> > > d'espace disque et seulement 8Mo de mémoire vive. 
> > > Le système démarre en moins de 10 secondes sur un PC à 100€, de
> > > l'allumage à l'affichage de l'interface graphique.
> > > Les applications se lancent instantanément, sans avoir à supporter
> > > de pointeur en forme de sablier.
> 
> > La rapidité et le peu de mémoire nécessaire sont probablement plus
> > dûs à la simplicité du système qu'au fait que ce soit programmé en
> > assembleur.
> 
> Qu'en sais tu ?

Le gain de programmer en assembleur par rapport à une compilation C
est toujours limité. Si tu essaies de réécrire GNU Linux et toutes
ses fonctionnalités en assembleur, tu n'arriveras jamais à tenir avec
8 Mo de mémoire vive.

> Tu sembles vouloir saborder KolibriOS sans le connaître.
> Pourquoi KolibriOS serait-il "simple" ? :

cf son site web. Le support hardware est très limité. Il n'y a aucune
info concernant l'accessibilité, la localisation, le multi-utilisateur,
la virtualisation, tout ce qui est associé à la sécurité, etc.

Si tu as des infos, n'hésite pas à compléter:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KolibriOS

> alors fais la comparaison de vitesse avec des mini distributions Linux...
> également réputées pour leur simplicité, je dirai plutôt "dépouillé".
> Leur site indique : "système d'exploitation tout petit mais incroyablement 
> optimisé" (mais pas "simplicité).

Tu crois tout ce que dit la pub?

> L'assembleur étant le langage le plus proche du processeur (langage machine),
> il a comme première qualité la rapidité de ses programmes.

C'est assez simpliste comme remarque, surtout pour les x86, où
la rapidité, donc la façon dont on doit coder en assembleur,
dépend vraiment du processeur. C'est d'ailleurs pour ça que GMP
a du code assembleur pour chaque variante x86. Il y a d'ailleurs
toujours des questions ouvertes sur pourquoi tel code est plus
rapide qu'un autre code plus simple sur processeur Intel (les
processeurs AMD testés ont un comportement normal):

  https://communities.intel.com/message/257079
  https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/intel-isa-extensions/topic/533786

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Re: nfs problem

[Brandon Vincent]

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:56 PM, ghe  wrote:
> I changed the nobody name to myself (ghe) in /etc/idmapd.conf, and created a
> new user (gheqw). Now ls says the directory on the client is owned by
> gheqw:nogroup. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I would return the server's idmapd.conf back to the default
configuration (nobody:nogroup) and make sure that the idmapd service
is running on both the server and the client. Make sure the domain
matches in idmapd.conf on both the server and client.

Brandon Vincent

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Ric Moore]

On 01/01/2016 05:51 PM, Charlie wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:22:13 +0100 deloptes sent:


The only solution in my opinion is to explain and give a good example
to the children for what is good and what is bad. Once they know it,
they do not forget.


How often do the children see the worst sexism and other iniquities in
their home, where they are not recognised by the perpetrators?


The DOJ stats claim about 90% of all offenses to children are committed 
by parents, family or friends of family.



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

FileZilla och rättigheter?

[keerik]

Har en fråga ang Filezilla.
Vill kunna ändra rättigheter genom Filezilla, istället för i
kommandofönstret.
Kör en Debian 8 server genom CityCloud
Och enda sättet jag kan ändra rättigheter på filer och kataloger är genom
kommandofönstret och ssh.
Jag loggar in med FileZilla också med sftp - ssh men kan inte ändra
rättigheterna ändå. 

Några förslag?

/Kenneth



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Re: Documentation complète sur la compilation de programmes

[andre_debian]

Qui a écrit que l'Assembleur n'était plus beaucoup utilisé :

KolibriOS est un système d'exploitation, tout petit mais incroyablement 
optimisé (OS Libre, publié en majorité sous licence GPL v2).

Ces performances sont atteintes grâce à l'écriture du coeur de KolibriOS 
(noyau et pilotes) en langage * assembleur FASM * :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASM

Du fait de cette optimisation, il ne nécessite que quelques megaoctets 
d'espace disque et seulement 8Mo de mémoire vive. 

Le système démarre en moins de 10 secondes sur un PC à 100€, de l'allumage à 
l'affichage de l'interface graphique. 

Les applications se lancent instantanément, sans avoir à supporter de pointeur 
en forme de sablier.

En savoir plus, installer KolibriOS :
http://kolibrios.org/fr/

Tiens, pour 2016, ça va nous changer de Linux :-)

André

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[John Hasler]

deloptes writes:
> I do not want our women to wear hijab, because someone could be
> affected when they show their neck, or chin. Following the OPs request
> we would end up there sooner or later.

Of course, the OP would probably want women to be forbidden to wear ha jib...
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Documentation complète sur la compilation de programmes

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2016-01-01 22:50:37 +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> Qui a écrit que l'Assembleur n'était plus beaucoup utilisé :
> 
> KolibriOS est un système d'exploitation, tout petit mais incroyablement 
> optimisé (OS Libre, publié en majorité sous licence GPL v2).
> 
> Ces performances sont atteintes grâce à l'écriture du coeur de KolibriOS 
> (noyau et pilotes) en langage * assembleur FASM * :
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASM
> 
> Du fait de cette optimisation, il ne nécessite que quelques megaoctets 
> d'espace disque et seulement 8Mo de mémoire vive. 
> 
> Le système démarre en moins de 10 secondes sur un PC à 100€, de
> l'allumage à l'affichage de l'interface graphique.
> 
> Les applications se lancent instantanément, sans avoir à supporter
> de pointeur en forme de sablier.

La rapidité et le peu de mémoire nécessaire sont probablement plus
dûs à la simplicité du système qu'au fait que ce soit programmé en
assembleur.

-- 
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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: nfs problem

[Pier]

On Friday, 1 January 2016, 21:57, Glenn English  wrote:



 Come on folks!

Consider a modified Drake equation: (number on this list) * (date) * (% not 
hungover) * (% who understand NFS) * (% willing to help out a bewildered 
computer geek) == (surely > 0), no?

OK. Leave out (date) and (% not hungover), and tell me what I've done wrong...

> On Dec 31, 2015, at 4:56 PM, ghe  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to get NFS going with a Wheezy server and a Jessie client using 
> Webmin and vi. It connects, but mounts the directory and file with 
> nobody:nogroup as the user:group (and nobody isn't set to universe read/write 
> -- tried to do that, but NFS won't let me).
[big cut]
It was ages I didn't write to the list but nfs always arouse curiosity ;)First 
try to force nfsv3 to see if permissions are ok (v3 uses numeric uid/gid) with 
'mount -o vers=3'.If this works and you want to use nfsv4 then make sure the 
configuration of idmap are the same on both the nfs server and nfs client (make 
sure the domain is the same, you can leave the rest the original).Also make 
sure the users/groups are available/the same on both the nfs server/client.
Hope this helps.
Pier
PS: you can check which version of nfs is used in /proc/mounts

   

Re: nfs problem

[Glenn English]

Come on folks!

Consider a modified Drake equation: (number on this list) * (date) * (% not 
hungover) * (% who understand NFS) * (% willing to help out a bewildered 
computer geek) == (surely > 0), no?

OK. Leave out (date) and (% not hungover), and tell me what I've done wrong...

> On Dec 31, 2015, at 4:56 PM, ghe  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to get NFS going with a Wheezy server and a Jessie client using 
> Webmin and vi. It connects, but mounts the directory and file with 
> nobody:nogroup as the user:group (and nobody isn't set to universe read/write 
> -- tried to do that, but NFS won't let me).
> 
> I see from the 'Net that this is a common problem, but the solutions seem to 
> involve (some) files/programs that don't exist on these machines. Nor in 
> Aptitude.
> 
> The UID:GID are identical on the server and the client, both numbers and 
> text. I've tried both NFS4 and vanilla NFS. There seems to be no difference.
> 
> I changed the nobody name to myself (ghe) in /etc/idmapd.conf, and created a 
> new user (gheqw). Now ls says the directory on the client is owned by 
> gheqw:nogroup. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
> 
> When I turn off the NFS mount at the server, the directory on the client goes 
> back to being owned by me, and the file disappears (both expected behavior).
> 
> There are too many variables here: 2 computers, many files, and far too many 
> [SOLVED] pages on the 'Net. I'm pretty sure I've made a mess in the config 
> files (whichever they are). Anybody know exactly what to say, in which 
> file(s) on which computer(s), to deal with this?
> 
> T much IA...
> 
> -- 
> Glenn English

-- 
Glenn English

Re: Documentation complète sur la compilation de programmes

[andre_debian]

On Friday 01 January 2016 23:29:25 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2016-01-01 22:50:37 +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> > Qui a écrit que l'Assembleur n'était plus beaucoup utilisé :
> > KolibriOS est un système d'exploitation, tout petit mais incroyablement 
> > optimisé (OS Libre, publié en majorité sous licence GPL v2).
> > Ces performances sont atteintes grâce à l'écriture du coeur de KolibriOS 
> > (noyau et pilotes) en langage * assembleur FASM * :
> > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASM
> > Du fait de cette optimisation, il ne nécessite que quelques megaoctets 
> > d'espace disque et seulement 8Mo de mémoire vive. 
> > Le système démarre en moins de 10 secondes sur un PC à 100€, de
> > l'allumage à l'affichage de l'interface graphique.
> > Les applications se lancent instantanément, sans avoir à supporter
> > de pointeur en forme de sablier.

> La rapidité et le peu de mémoire nécessaire sont probablement plus
> dûs à la simplicité du système qu'au fait que ce soit programmé en
> assembleur.

Qu'en sais tu ?
Tu sembles vouloir saborder KolibriOS sans le connaître.

Pourquoi KolibriOS serait-il "simple" ? :
alors fais la comparaison de vitesse avec des mini distributions Linux...
également réputées pour leur simplicité, je dirai plutôt "dépouillé".
Leur site indique : "système d'exploitation tout petit mais incroyablement 
optimisé" (mais pas "simplicité).

L'assembleur étant le langage le plus proche du processeur (langage machine),
il a comme première qualité la rapidité de ses programmes.

André

Re: /dev/tty problem

[Erik Svensson]

Den 2015-12-31 kl. 19:08, skrev k...@aspodata.se:
> Erik Svensson:
>> Den 2015-12-28 kl. 23:31, skrev Stefan Alfredsson:
>>> On 25/12/15 21:10, Erik Svensson wrote:
 /etc/init.d/samba start:
>>> Blir det skillnad om du använder systemctl för att starta istället för
>>> init.d-scriptet?
 Har googlat men inte hittat något vettigt svar.
 Är det någon som har någon idé om vad problemet beror på.
>>> Jag googlade på
>>> systemd Error opening current controlling terminal for the process
>>> (`/dev/tty')
>>> och fick upp liknande problem med andra programvaror.
>>> Det verkar som att det är PolicyKit (polkit) som försöker kontakta en
>>> autenticeringsagent, misslyckas, och försöker istället få fatt på en
>>> tty som inte heller är åtkomlig (kanske pga chroot?).
>>> Har du paketet "polkit" installerat?
>>> Körs det någon polkit-agent, t.ex.
>>> /usr/lib/polkit-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 ?
>> Samma problem med systemctl.
>> Verkar dock som det är x relaterat. Kör jag "ctrl+alt+f2" så jag hamnar
>> i terminal så funkar init.d och systemctl utan problem. Men så fort jag
>> är tillbaka i x så är problemet tillbaks.
>>
>> Kör lightdm för inlogg och xfce som fönsterhanterare,
> Jag kan inte systemd, men har för mig att systemd använder cgroups
> for att ha koll på vad som hör ihop med vad. Sökning på systemd och
> cgroup ger (läs och se om det kan hjälpa dig):
>
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/resources.html
>
> ///
>
> Fast enklast är nog att gå tillbaka till sysv, iallafall tills någon
> har rett ut problemet.
>
> Enklast är då att prova https://devuan.org/, med
>
>  deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main
>
> som aptsource.
>
> Hälsningar,
> /Karl Hammar
>
> ---
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> Sverige
> 0173 140 57
>
>
Provade devuan, men det brickade systemet. Så jag har börjat om med en
ny installation, denna gång stable, och nu funkar allt som det ska.

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Joel Rees]

Just for the record, in case the package maintainer or policy group
look at this thread hoping for representative opinions:

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Gary Dale  wrote:
> On 31/12/15 03:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>>
>> On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote:
>>>
>>> First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day
>>> to improve this wonderful operating system.
>>> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called
>>> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented
>>> as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and improve its
>>> protocols for such content is not put back into their servers.
>>> I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their
>>> work for the school.
>>> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do not
>>> you contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these behaviors.
>>>
>>> greetings from
>>> Fernando Arenas
>>>
>>> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>>> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>>
>>
>> I will note that the package is not available for Jessie or Stretch except
>> as a download from Sid.I gather the package maintainer has a problem with it
>> too. Perhaps the openclipart packages should be divided into categories
>> which would allow for more targeted downloads. People looking for animal
>> clipart, for example, may not want furniture clipart installed as well. This
>> would allow for "sexy-female" and "sexy-male" packages that aren't installed
>> except by explicit request.
>>
> My apologies for the above comment. Up until reading Fernando's post, I
> wasn't aware of openclipart2.

I personally see no reason for you to apologize for your suggestion.

It would take a bit of work, but non-programmers who want to help
could do a few at a time and it would help make openclipart2 more
useful for everyone.

One volunteer by him/herself would get worn out, yes, and I wouldn't
ask the package maintainer to categorize the whole list without help.

> I note that it is substantially larger than
> openclipart and is organized by contributor, not by topic.

And that makes it less useful than it would b if organized by topic.

It would have been nice if we had the contributors' opinions about the
categorization as a starting point, too, if I were making wishes.

> Following my
> suggestion would be hugely time consuming and achieve very little.

Strongly disagree. Clipart is only useful when you can find what you
are looking for.

> Looking at the images that were identified, I find little justification in
> the original complaint. One can easily accidentally stumble across far more
> provocative content on Facebook.
>

The comment on facebook aside, I looked at the first twenty or so
images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
finding those when looking for clipart.

In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
out into a separate package, at minimum.

-- 
Joel Rees

Ranting is free.
http://free-is-not-free.blogspot.jp/

Re: RIP and Thank You.

[Weaver]

On 2015-12-31 09:24, Charlie Kravetz wrote:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:44:26 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/



Official Announcement from Debian:

https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html

RIP, Ian Murdock.


I didn't know him, and only saw the odd statement on list very 
occasionally, that was always on point.

This is what personally disturbs me.
The contrast between that, and the obvious disorientation at the end.
Keep many eyes open.

Harry Weaver.
--
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its  
government."

 -- Thomas Paine

Registered Linux User: 554515

Re: Attempt to Move Root

[Pascal Hambourg]

Petter Adsen a écrit :
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
>> I made the mistake of trying to install a wheezy derivitive on a 2T
>> drive that had been prepared using GPT partitions.  The installer
>> could not see them at all, so after 2 tries, I just let it go ahead
>> and do its own partitioning and formatting to ext4. The system has
>> actually worked well, on a drive that is said to be too big for MBR.
> 
> The max addressable size of a drive for MBR is 2TiB, AIUI.

Yes, assuming standard 512-byte sectors. A lot more with large 4096-byte
sectors ("4Kn" Advanced Format).

2 TiB > 2 TB, so GPT is not required for a 2 TB disk. However GPT has
other advantages over MSDOS than maximum addressable size.

Re: Putting It All On a Stick

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Eduard Bloch wrote:
> But for regular "push data around from FD to FD" job the only crucial
> difference I remember is the nasty behavior of dd when a short read
> occurres - aborting instead of retrying as cp does.

I saw it padding up short blocks and going on when i was
still on SuSE 10. This happened when reading from pipes with
slowly trickling data output.

Jessie's dd seems to be quite ok, though

  $ for i in 0 1 2 3 4 ; do echo bla ; sleep 1 ; done >fifo

and

  $ dd if=fifo bs=1024 >/tmp/dd_output
  0+5 records in
  0+5 records out
  20 bytes (20 B) copied, 5.00444 s, 0.0 kB/s

yields exactly 20 bytes in /tmp/dd_output. Not 5 KiB or 4 bytes.

(It seems not to block but rather read on after each of
 the 4-byte lines arrived. 5 reads. 20 bytes.)


The power of dd shows with commands like 

  dd if=/dev/zero conv=notrunc bs=1 seek=446 count=1 \
 of=debian-8.2.0-amd64-BD-1.iso

which zeros the "bootable/active" flag of MBR partition 1.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Bonne année 2016

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Fri, 1 Jan 2016 08:16:27 +,
Stéphane GARGOLY  a écrit :

> Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :
> 
> Le jeudi 31 décembre 2015 à 23:06, Belaïd 
> a écrit :
> > Bonne année à toute la planète. Longue vie à Linux  
> 
> Bonne année 2016 à tous malgré le fait que nous ayons été
> probablement tous touchés par le récent décès de Ian Murdock, le
> créateur de la distribution Debian. :-)
> 
> Cordialement et à bientôt,
> 
> Stéphane
> 

bonjour,

merci beaucoup pour ces mots qui réconfortent

slt
bernard

Re: Bonne année 2016

[Stéphane GARGOLY]

Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Le jeudi 31 décembre 2015 à 23:06, Belaïd  a écrit :
> Bonne année à toute la planète. Longue vie à Linux

Bonne année 2016 à tous malgré le fait que nous ayons été probablement tous 
touchés par le récent décès de Ian Murdock, le créateur de la distribution 
Debian. :-)

Cordialement et à bientôt,

Stéphane

Nettoyage du spam : décembre 2015

[jean-pierre giraud]

Bonjour,
Comme nous sommes en janvier, il est désormais possible de
traiter les archives du mois de décembre 2015 des listes francophones.

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Re: Attempt to Move Root

[Petter Adsen]

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 10:07:13 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> I made the mistake of trying to install a wheezy derivitive on a 2T
> drive that had been prepared using GPT partitions.  The installer
> could not see them at all, so after 2 tries, I just let it go ahead
> and do its own partitioning and formatting to ext4. The system has
> actually worked well, on a drive that is said to be too big for MBR.

The max addressable size of a drive for MBR is 2TiB, AIUI.

> So I would like to be enlightened as to the real differences between
> the systems. URL's to the proponents sites would be fine.

You can take a look at this, for starters:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GPT

The first couple of sections highlights the differences between MBR and
GPT, and there are links to more information at the bottom of the page.

Petter

-- 
"I'm ionized"
"Are you sure?"
"I'm positive."

Re: Question: eth0 vs enp1s0 (second try)

[Brian]

On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 19:08:18 +0100, Hans wrote:

> What do 'ls /sys/class/net' and 'ip link' give without this addition?
> 
> I get:
> 
> ls /sys/class/net/
> 
> enp1s0  Io  wlan0

Interesting. One interface is renamed; one is not (wlan0).

[Snip]
 
> I believe, the different outrputs are just becaus the EEEPC is newer and got 
> a 
> newer hardware and a more talking BIOS.

My understanding is that the information provided by the BIOS and PCI
slots is used by udev to produce the interface names. I'm not happy with
newness as an explanation.

> Thank you for all the help, the explanation is not as easy as I though, but 
> the solution is.
> 
> So let this problem be solved for now.

The view might be different if the machine had been remote and using
ifupdown's hardcoded interface names. 70-persistent-net-rules is
intended to ensure renaming doesn't happen. If it has that would be
quite a serious matter.

Re: Putting It All On a Stick

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/30/2015 7:11 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:

[SNIP]

Hi Thomas,

Maybe you missed the run-up to this discussion.  Steve only has a Windows 
computer right now.  He’s trying to get Linux running so he can learn more 
about it.  I don’t know whether he wants to dual-boot or if he has a separate 
computer for Linux, but it doesn’t matter for this discussion.  He doesn’t have 
access to a Linux machine, so dd or cp are not available.  Whatever tools he 
uses have to run on Windows.

Enjoy!
Rick


While looking for something else, I came across "chrysocome.net - 
dd for windows" [http://www.chrysocome.net/dd]. The page was last 
updated in 2010. The author cautions that it does NOT do 
everything the Linux version does. I have not tried it.


HTH

Re: wget log from Jigdo

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 02:34:55PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> True, but who knew that? I go with what I know most of the time, and
> what I know about Jigdo can be summed up in one word: nothing. So when
> I see a URL that purports to be the one to use, I use it. This is what
> makes me crazy about anything Linux--secret knowledge that some people
> just seem to have or know, that would never occur to anyone else.

It's not a Linux problem. A 404 means the location doesn't exist, so i
worked backwards in a webrowser until the address was valid, which was,
in this case, the main site, which has two directories to choose from
'debian' and debian-cd, under the debian directory was the pool
directory.

(BTW, top-posting makes it difficult to reply, and I couldn't be bothered
copying and pasting to correct it.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Creating a .deb package!

[Martin Read]

On 31/12/15 17:30, Himanshu Shekhar wrote:

I have made some bash scripts (about 300 lines). I want it to be
available for direct install along with some additional files for direct
use.
How can I make the .deb file out of a shell script and about 5 more text
files?
Also, how can I get it added to the Debian repositories?


For preparing a simple Debian package, start by reading:

https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging

For preparing a package *suitable for inclusion in Debian*, additionally 
read:


https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian

These pages will themselves provide links for further reading and 
sources of advice.

Re: after sudo aptitude dist-upgrade lost Unicode in ttys and xterm

[Anders Andersson]

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Emanuel Berg  wrote:
> After I did
>
> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
>
> I lost support for Unicode chars in the ttys as well
> as xterm.
>
> Instead I get '?'.
>
> Ideas?

One idea would be to post a list of packages which were upgraded. :)

Re: Putting It All On a Stick

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/31/2015 10:01 AM, Brian wrote:

On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 10:21:06 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:

Andrew M.A. Cater's bluray suggestion is a good one. Most everything of
what you want should be in the image. An alternative method with more
than 3 DVDs is at

https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick


Wish I had known about that page a couple of years ago when 
working on similar goals - no networking physically/feasibly 
available.


That page references https://wiki.debian.org/ManipulatingISOs 
which is valuable in its own right.


Thank you.

Re: RIP and Thank You.

[franiortiz hotmail]

Thanks Ian
we will not forget you


De: Weaver 
Enviado: viernes, 1 de enero de 2016 10:18
Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Re: RIP and Thank You.

On 2015-12-31 09:24, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:44:26 +
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/
>>
>
> Official Announcement from Debian:
>
> https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html
>
> RIP, Ian Murdock.

I didn't know him, and only saw the odd statement on list very
occasionally, that was always on point.
This is what personally disturbs me.
The contrast between that, and the obvious disorientation at the end.
Keep many eyes open.

Harry Weaver.
--
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its
government."
  -- Thomas Paine

Registered Linux User: 554515

ian

[mj]

Hallo,

Jullie hebben t vast allemaal gehoord & gelezen, maar voor die enkeling 
die t nog niet wist...:


http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/

Ik kwam er net pas achter.

MJ

Re: Putting It All On a Stick

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:54:50 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 19:39:10 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> > > > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> > > > > > Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer 
> > > > > menu.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the
> > > > > first gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the
> > > > > second will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I
> > > > > cannot see why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.
> > > >
> > > > _Because_ the DVD1 gets its packages from the DVDs, so during
> > > > installation they have to be there, or you have to interrupt the
> > > > installation, edit the
> > >
> > > Why shouldn't the packages be on on the DVD?
> > 
> > If all available packages are on DVD1,
> 
> Nobody claimed they were.

Yeah, you did -- 'Why shouldn't the packages be on on the DVD?'

> >why do the other DVDs exist?
> 
> It's coming up to to 2016; non-sequiturs are banned in that year,
> 
> > > > sources list, and continue choosing your software to complete the
> > > > installation.  And the net-install CD gets its packages from the 
> > > > Internet
> > > > and sets up your sources list to do the same, so you can complete your
> > > > installation in one fell sweep.  Yes, you need an Internet connection so
> > > > it is not suitable for all cases, but  an Internet connection does not
> > > > appear to
> > >
> > > I don't understand a word of this.
> > >
> > > The installers on a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are basically identical.
> > 
> > The sources are different.
> 
> More nonsense.

Huh? the sources list is different if you use DVD's than if you use a
debian mirror off the net. Even I, understood that much.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: wget log from Jigdo

[Brian]

On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 03:54:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:

> (BTW, top-posting makes it difficult to reply, and I couldn't be bothered
> copying and pasting to correct it.)

You would do well to read *all* of Steve Matzura's posts before
bemoaning your lot. You'll come across "speech synthesis" and
"screen reader".

Re: wget log from Jigdo

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 01 January 2016 14:54:38 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 02:34:55PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:

>
> (BTW, top-posting makes it difficult to reply, and I couldn't be bothered
> copying and pasting to correct it.)

And harder still to follow.  But I gather from elsewhere that bottom posting 
is tricky if you use a screen reader to reply to your email.  Tricky to read 
and even trickier to do, so perhaps in this case we should be a little more 
tolerant.

I frequently interleave, and I am told that that is a nightmare with a screen 
reader.

Lisi

Re: Putting It All On a Stick

[Brian]

On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 04:11:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > 
> > > The sources are different.
> > 
> > More nonsense.
> 
> Huh? the sources list is different if you use DVD's than if you use a
> debian mirror off the net. Even I, understood that much.

My claim is that the installers on a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are basically
identical (they do the same job), not that a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are
identical. That is because they are based on the same source.

Explaining what this "sources list" is might clarify things.

Re: Instalar kernel 4.3 con jessie-backports

[Alfonso García]

Hola,
Otra opción es descargar las fuentes directamente de www.kernel.org,
compilarlo con las opciones que necesites, e instalarlo.

Lo digo para no tener que instalar el paquete debian, sé que no es lo más
correcta, pero así tendrás el núcleo que quieres.

Saludos.

On 31/12/15, Josu Lazkano wrote:
> El día 31 de diciembre de 2015, 18:02, Camaleón  escribió:
> > El Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:44:07 +0100, Josu Lazkano escribió:
> >
> >> El día 31 de diciembre de 2015, 16:05, Camaleón 
> >> escribió:
> >
> > (...)
> >
> >>> Estaba pensando... si tienes el metapaquete del kernel de los backports
> >>> con actualizar (upgrade / dist-upgrade) el sistema sería suficiente
> >>> siempre y cuando tengas el repo de los backports habilitado:
> >>>
> >>> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
> >>>
> >>> Eso sí, perderías la versión 4.2 (bpo) ya que se actualizaría a la 4.3.
> >>>
> >> Gracias Camaleon,
> >>
> >> Ya he probado lod e actualizar, pero nada:
> >>
> >> # apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree
> >> Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0
> >> upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> >>
> >> # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency
> >> tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0
> >> upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> >
> > Qué raro, porque yo lo tengo igual (wheezy) y sí que se me ha ido
> > actualizando el kernel de los backports al tener instalado el metapaquete.
> >
> > Comprueba que tengas habilitado en el "/etc/apt/sources.list" el repo de
> > los backports.
> >
> >> Parece que el metapaquete apunta al kernel de 4.2 y no al de 4.3.
> >
> > ¿Mande? :-?
> >
> >> Ademas en la web del paquete todavia pone la 4.2:
> >> https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64
> >>
> >> ¿Tendre que esperar un poco mas a que actualicen?
> >
> > Ah, entonces sí. Espera mejor a que lo enlacen, así no tendrás que
> > instalarlo a mano ni tendrás las dos versiones instaladas (4.2 y 4.3 bpo).
> >
> > Saludos,
> >
> > --
> > Camaleón
> >
> 
> Gracias de nuevo,
> 
> Este es mi apt:
> 
> # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
> 
> # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-updates main
> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-updates main
> 
> # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-backports main
> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-backports main
> 
> #deb-multimedia.org
> deb http://deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
> deb-src http://deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
> 
> #deb-multimedia.org backports
> deb http://deb-multimedia.org jessie-backports main
> deb-src http://deb-multimedia.org jessie-backports main
> 
> Si, lo mejor es que espere, aunque con las ganas que tengo de poner el
> 4.3 no se si aguantare...
> 
> Saludos y feliz año a todos!
> 
> -- 
> Josu Lazkano
> 

Re: after sudo aptitude dist-upgrade lost Unicode in ttys and xterm

[Emanuel Berg]

Anders Andersson  writes:

>> After I did sudo aptitude dist-upgrade I lost
>> support for Unicode chars in the ttys as well as
>> xterm. Instead I get '?'. Ideas?
>
> One idea would be to post a list of packages which
> were upgraded. :)

My intuition tells me you know a good way to do that!

Here is /var/log/apt/history.log.10.gz

Is that what you mean?

Start-Date: 2015-03-09  01:12:16
Install: libvte-2.91-0:amd64 (0.38.1-2, automatic), gnome-terminal:amd64 
(3.14.1-1), libenchant1c2a:amd64 (1.6.0-10.1, automatic), libv4lconvert0:amd64 
(1.6.0-2, automatic), gnome-user-guide:amd64 (3.14.1-1, automatic), 
libv4l-0:amd64 (1.6.0-2, automatic), libwebkitgtk-3.0-0:amd64 (2.4.8-1, 
automatic), libyelp0:amd64 (3.14.1-1, automatic), 
gstreamer1.0-plugins-good:amd64 (1.4.4-2, automatic), enchant:amd64 
(1.6.0-10.1, automatic), yelp:amd64 (3.14.1-1, automatic)
Upgrade: libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0:amd64 (2.4.7-1, 2.4.8-1), 
libwebkitgtk-3.0-common:amd64 (2.4.7-1, 2.4.8-1), libvte-2.91-common:amd64 
(0.38.1-1, 0.38.1-2)
Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
End-Date: 2015-03-09  01:13:06

Start-Date: 2015-03-09  01:15:12
Install: desktop-base:amd64 (8.0.2, automatic), zenity:amd64 (3.14.0-1, 
automatic), libgoa-1.0-0b:amd64 (3.14.2-1, automatic), gir1.2-clutter-1.0:amd64 
(1.20.0-1, automatic), libxkbcommon-x11-0:amd64 (0.4.3-2, automatic), 
libtotem-plparser18:amd64 (3.10.3-1, automatic), libclutter-gtk-1.0-0:amd64 
(1.6.0-1, automatic), gir1.2-gdm3:amd64 (3.14.1-3, automatic), 
gnome-shell:amd64 (3.14.2-3+b1), gnome-online-accounts:amd64 (3.14.2-1, 
automatic), libgmime-2.6-0:amd64 (2.6.20-1+b1, automatic), mousetweaks:amd64 
(3.12.0-1, automatic), libmediaart-1.0-0:amd64 (0.7.0-2, automatic), 
libgdata19:amd64 (0.16.1-1, automatic), libibus-1.0-5:amd64 (1.5.9-1, 
automatic), libcogl-pango20:amd64 (1.18.2-3, automatic), libnm-gtk0:amd64 
(0.9.10.0-2, automatic), gnome-session-bin:amd64 (3.14.0-2, automatic), 
libcogl20:amd64 (1.18.2-3, automatic), mesa-utils:amd64 (8.2.0-1, automatic), 
librygel-server-2.4-2:amd64 (0.24.2-1, automatic), libcheese7:amd64 (3.14.1-2, 
automatic), libcolord-gtk1:amd64 (0.1.25-1.1+b1, automatic), 
gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0:amd64 (3.14.1-1, automatic), gdm3:amd64 (3.14.1-3, 
automatic), libdleyna-connector-dbus-1.0-1:amd64 (0.2.0-1, automatic), 
libical1a:amd64 (1.0-1.3, automatic), gir1.2-coglpango-1.0:amd64 (1.18.2-3, 
automatic), gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0:amd64 (1.0.1-2, automatic), 
gir1.2-ibus-1.0:amd64 (1.5.9-1, automatic), gir1.2-gtk-3.0:amd64 (3.14.5-1, 
automatic), python-cups:amd64 (1.9.63-1, automatic), libxcb-image0:amd64 
(0.4.0-1, automatic), gir1.2-gkbd-3.0:amd64 (3.6.0-1, automatic), 
gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.0.26-6, automatic), gstreamer1.0-clutter:amd64 (2.0.12-1, 
automatic), libxcb-xkb1:amd64 (1.10-3+b1, automatic), libxcb-icccm4:amd64 
(0.4.1-1, automatic), libopencv-legacy2.4:amd64 (2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+b1, automatic), 
libgnome-desktop-3-10:amd64 (3.14.1-1, automatic), libzbar0:amd64 (0.10+doc-10, 
automatic), libgdm1:amd64 (3.14.1-3, automatic), xwayland:amd64 (1.16.4-1, 
automatic), libgnomekbd8:amd64 (3.6.0-1, automatic), gtk2-engines-pixbuf:amd64 
(2.24.25-1, automatic), libgjs0e:amd64 (1.42.0-1, automatic), 
gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0:amd64 (2.31.1-2+b1, automatic), 
gnome-themes-standard-data:amd64 (3.14.2.2-1, automatic), gir1.2-cogl-1.0:amd64 
(1.18.2-3, automatic), libgoa-backend-1.0-1:amd64 (3.14.2-1, automatic), 
libgweather-3-6:amd64 (3.14.1-1, automatic), gnome-control-center:amd64 
(3.14.2-3, automatic), libcaribou0:amd64 (0.4.15-1, automatic), libelfg0:amd64 
(0.8.13-5, automatic), libfolks-eds25:amd64 (0.10.0-1, automatic), 
libgnome-bluetooth13:amd64 (3.14.0-2, automatic), gir1.2-gcr-3:amd64 (3.14.0-2, 
automatic), libteamdctl0:amd64 (1.12-1, automatic), network-manager-gnome:amd64 
(0.9.10.0-2, automatic), gnome-contacts:amd64 (3.14.1-1, automatic), 
libclutter-1.0-0:amd64 (1.20.0-1, automatic), libopencv-features2d2.4:amd64 
(2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+b1, automatic), gir1.2-xkl-1.0:amd64 (5.2.1-1, automatic), 
gir1.2-nmgtk-1.0:amd64 (0.9.10.0-2, automatic), libopencv-objdetect2.4:amd64 
(2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+b1, automatic), libdleyna-core-1.0-3:amd64 (0.4.0-1, 
automatic), gir1.2-caribou-1.0:amd64 (0.4.15-1, automatic), 
gir1.2-mutter-3.0:amd64 (3.14.2-1, automatic), iputils-arping:amd64 
(20121221-5+b2, automatic), realmd:amd64 (0.15.1-1+b2, automatic), 
libsane:amd64 (1.0.24-8, automatic), rygel:amd64 (0.24.2-1, automatic), 
libndp0:amd64 (1.4-2, automatic), libgrilo-0.2-1:amd64 (0.2.11-2, automatic), 
xserver-xephyr:amd64 (1.16.4-1, automatic), libcogl-path20:amd64 (1.18.2-3, 
automatic), libcheese-gtk23:amd64 (3.14.1-2, automatic), sane-utils:amd64 
(1.0.24-8, automatic), gvfs-backends:amd64 (1.22.2-1, automatic), 
gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad:amd64 (1.4.4-2.1, automatic), 
gnome-settings-daemon:amd64 (3.14.2-2, automatic), python-smbc:amd64 
(1.0.15.3-0.1, automatic), libgphoto2-6:amd64 (2.5.4-1.1+b2, automatic), 
gkbd-capplet:amd64 

Re: Instalar kernel 4.3 con jessie-backports

[Josu Lazkano]

El día 1 de enero de 2016, 19:33, Alfonso García  escribió:
> Hola,
> Otra opción es descargar las fuentes directamente de www.kernel.org,
> compilarlo con las opciones que necesites, e instalarlo.
>
> Lo digo para no tener que instalar el paquete debian, sé que no es lo más
> correcta, pero así tendrás el núcleo que quieres.
>
> Saludos.
>
> On 31/12/15, Josu Lazkano wrote:
>> El día 31 de diciembre de 2015, 18:02, Camaleón  
>> escribió:
>> > El Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:44:07 +0100, Josu Lazkano escribió:
>> >
>> >> El día 31 de diciembre de 2015, 16:05, Camaleón 
>> >> escribió:
>> >
>> > (...)
>> >
>> >>> Estaba pensando... si tienes el metapaquete del kernel de los backports
>> >>> con actualizar (upgrade / dist-upgrade) el sistema sería suficiente
>> >>> siempre y cuando tengas el repo de los backports habilitado:
>> >>>
>> >>> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
>> >>>
>> >>> Eso sí, perderías la versión 4.2 (bpo) ya que se actualizaría a la 4.3.
>> >>>
>> >> Gracias Camaleon,
>> >>
>> >> Ya he probado lod e actualizar, pero nada:
>> >>
>> >> # apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree
>> >> Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0
>> >> upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>> >>
>> >> # apt-get dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency
>> >> tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0
>> >> upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>> >
>> > Qué raro, porque yo lo tengo igual (wheezy) y sí que se me ha ido
>> > actualizando el kernel de los backports al tener instalado el metapaquete.
>> >
>> > Comprueba que tengas habilitado en el "/etc/apt/sources.list" el repo de
>> > los backports.
>> >
>> >> Parece que el metapaquete apunta al kernel de 4.2 y no al de 4.3.
>> >
>> > ¿Mande? :-?
>> >
>> >> Ademas en la web del paquete todavia pone la 4.2:
>> >> https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64
>> >>
>> >> ¿Tendre que esperar un poco mas a que actualicen?
>> >
>> > Ah, entonces sí. Espera mejor a que lo enlacen, así no tendrás que
>> > instalarlo a mano ni tendrás las dos versiones instaladas (4.2 y 4.3 bpo).
>> >
>> > Saludos,
>> >
>> > --
>> > Camaleón
>> >
>>
>> Gracias de nuevo,
>>
>> Este es mi apt:
>>
>> # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
>> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
>>
>> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
>>
>> # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
>> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-updates main
>> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-updates main
>>
>> # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
>> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-backports main
>> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-backports main
>>
>> #deb-multimedia.org
>> deb http://deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
>> deb-src http://deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
>>
>> #deb-multimedia.org backports
>> deb http://deb-multimedia.org jessie-backports main
>> deb-src http://deb-multimedia.org jessie-backports main
>>
>> Si, lo mejor es que espere, aunque con las ganas que tengo de poner el
>> 4.3 no se si aguantare...
>>
>> Saludos y feliz año a todos!
>>
>> --
>> Josu Lazkano
>>

Gracias Alfonso,

Pero la idea era hacerlo a la Debian way.

Esperare un poco, sino tendre que hacer lo que dices.

Saludos.

-- 
Josu Lazkano

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Lee Winter]

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Martin Read  wrote:
> On 01/01/16 17:47, Ric Moore wrote:
>>
>> On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?
>>
>>
>> I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric
>
>
> An image can feature full frontal nudity without being an exercise in sexual
> objectification, and equally can be an exercise in sexual objectification
> without featuring full frontal nudity.
>
> A reasonable person could certainly conclude that quite a few of the images
> specifically called out by the original poster in this thread
> fall into the latter category.

Actually that is incorrect.  All such conclusions rest on the
interpretation of the graphic, and interpretation is guided or even
controlled by the biases of the observer.  So objectification, like
beauty, lies in the eyes of the beholder.

So people who detect objectification in an arrangement of pixels
should be forbidden from interpreting imagery.  Such a policy is NOT
censorship -- it is more an exercise of preventive medicine.

One might as well object to the data downloaded on the basis that the
bits involved were recycled rather than fresh.  Prohibit images
composed of stale bits!  Not.

Lee Winter
Nashua, New Hampshire
United States of America

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Ric Moore]

On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
 I looked at the first twenty or so

images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
finding those when looking for clipart.

In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
out into a separate package, at minimum.


I looked at the first 100 and found nothing meriting censorship. Ric


--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Aide au rapport de bug. [IPv6]

[Pam]

Bonjour,

uname -a
Linux PamMob 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1
(2015-12-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Il a fallu retirer les options d'adressage IPv6 sur ce PC aujourd'hui
pour se connecter à internet.

Il peux s'agir de ce paquet :
dpkg --list network-manager
Souhait=inconnU/Installé/suppRimé/Purgé/H=à garder
|
État=Non/Installé/fichier-Config/dépaqUeté/échec-conFig/H=semi-installé/W=attend-traitement-déclenchements
|/ Err?=(aucune)/besoin Réinstallation (État,Err: majuscule=mauvais)
||/ Nom   Version
Architecture  Description
+++-=-=-=-
ii  network-manager   0.9.10.0-7
amd64 network management framework (daemon and
userspace tools)

Mais aucune certitude, si ?




J'ai récupéré aussi dmesg et ifconfig.

5.074699] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[   15.132038] sis190 :00:04.0 eth0: mii ext = 
[   15.156038] sis190 :00:04.0 eth0: mii lpa=41e1 adv=01e1 exp=0007
[   15.156047] sis190 :00:04.0 eth0: link on 100 Mbps Full Duplex
mode
[   15.156073] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[   91.724041] sis190 :00:04.0 eth0: auto-negotiating...
[  138.636037] sis190 :00:04.0 eth0: mii ext = 
[  138.660036] sis190 :00:04.0 eth0: mii lpa=41e1 adv=01e1 exp=0007
[  138.660044] sis190 :00:04.0 eth0: link on 100 Mbps Full Duplex
mode
[  138.660067] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[  150.828033] [ cut here ]
[  150.828054] WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 0
at /build/linux-HklQoT/linux-3.16.7-ckt20/net/sched/sch_generic.c:264
dev_watchdog+0x236/0x240()
[  150.828059] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 (sis190): transmit queue 0 timed
out
[  150.828062] Modules linked in: binfmt_misc nfsd auth_rpcgss
oid_registry nfs_acl nfs lockd fscache sunrpc joydev arc4 uvcvideo
videobuf2_vmalloc videobuf2_memops videobuf2_core v4l2_common videodev
media nouveau ath9k snd_hda_codec_realtek snd_hda_codec_generic
ath9k_common ath9k_hw ath coretemp snd_hda_intel snd_hda_controller
mac80211 pcspkr r852 mxm_wmi snd_hda_codec sm_common nand snd_hwdep wmi
nand_ecc nand_bch psmouse snd_pcm r592 bch ttm evdev nand_ids
drm_kms_helper serio_raw snd_timer memstick snd mtd drm soundcore
i2c_algo_bit cfg80211 i2c_core video asus_laptop sparse_keymap rfkill
input_polldev ac battery shpchp acpi_cpufreq button processor fuse
autofs4 ext4 crc16 mbcache jbd2 sd_mod crc_t10dif crct10dif_generic sg
sr_mod cdrom crct10dif_common ata_generic sata_sis ohci_pci sdhci_pci
[  150.828186]  sdhci mmc_core firewire_ohci firewire_core crc_itu_t
thermal thermal_sys pata_sis ehci_pci ohci_hcd ehci_hcd libata scsi_mod
sis190 mii usbcore usb_common
[  150.828216] CPU: 0 PID: 0 Comm: swapper/0 Not tainted 3.16.0-4-amd64
#1 Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1
[  150.828220] Hardware name: ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
X71SL   /X71SL , BIOS 205 10/27/2008
[  150.828224]  0009 8150daef 8800bfa03e08
810677d7
[  150.828231]   8800bfa03e58 0001

[  150.828237]  8800b8b3b000 8106783c 81778e70
0030
[  150.828244] Call Trace:
[  150.828248][] ? dump_stack+0x41/0x51
[  150.828267]  [] ? warn_slowpath_common+0x77/0x90
[  150.828274]  [] ? warn_slowpath_fmt+0x4c/0x50
[  150.828282]  [] ? netdev_drivername+0x1f/0x40
[  150.828295]  [] ? dev_watchdog+0x236/0x240
[  150.828301]  [] ? dev_graft_qdisc+0x70/0x70
[  150.828309]  [] ? call_timer_fn+0x31/0x100
[  150.828315]  [] ? dev_graft_qdisc+0x70/0x70
[  150.828322]  [] ? run_timer_softirq+0x209/0x2f0
[  150.828330]  [] ? __do_softirq+0xf1/0x290
[  150.828337]  [] ? irq_exit+0x95/0xa0
[  150.828344]  [] ? do_IRQ+0x52/0xe0
[  150.828351]  [] ? common_interrupt+0x6d/0x6d
[  150.828354][] ? cpuidle_enter_state
+0x4f/0xc0
[  150.828366]  [] ? cpuidle_enter_state+0x48/0xc0
[  150.828376]  [] ? cpu_startup_entry+0x2f8/0x400
[  150.828383]  [] ? start_kernel+0x497/0x4a2
[  150.828388]  [] ? set_init_arg+0x4e/0x4e
[  150.828394]  [] ? early_idt_handler_array
+0x120/0x120
[  150.828400]  [] ? x86_64_start_kernel+0x14d/0x15c
[  150.828404] ---[ end trace c68e265a987277c2 ]---



et :

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:23:54:3d:e8:d8  
  adr inet6: fe80::223:54ff:fe3d:e8d8/64 Scope:Lien
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:128 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 lg file transmission:1000 
  RX bytes:372 (372.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

loLink encap:Boucle locale  
  inet adr:127.0.0.1  Masque:255.0.0.0
  adr inet6: ::1/128 

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

pe...@berghold.net wrote:
> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

Article 5 Grundgesetz (that's our local constitition) says:
"No censorship happens."

Therefore it is forbidden to say that censorship happens.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Ric Moore]

On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote:

I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?


I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric

--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Martin Read]

On 01/01/16 17:47, Ric Moore wrote:

On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, pe...@berghold.net wrote:

I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?


I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric


An image can feature full frontal nudity without being an exercise in 
sexual objectification, and equally can be an exercise in sexual 
objectification without featuring full frontal nudity.


A reasonable person could certainly conclude that quite a few of the 
images specifically called out by the original poster in this thread

fall into the latter category.

Re: Question: eth0 vs enp1s0 (second try)

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2016-01-01 12:03:32 +, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 31 Dec 2015 at 19:08:18 +0100, Hans wrote:
> > What do 'ls /sys/class/net' and 'ip link' give without this addition?
> > 
> > I get:
> > 
> > ls /sys/class/net/
> > 
> > enp1s0  Io  wlan0
> 
> Interesting. One interface is renamed; one is not (wlan0).

On my laptop (installed from Jessie, then upgraded to unstable),
this is the opposite:

eth0  lo  wlp61s0

Quite strange...

-- 
Vincent Lefèvre  - Web: 
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[peter]

I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: Ric Moore 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:21
Subject: Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
  I looked at the first twenty or so
> images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
> much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
> finding those when looking for clipart.
>
> In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
> out into a separate package, at minimum.

I looked at the first 100 and found nothing meriting censorship. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[John Hasler]

peter write:
> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

Political incorrectness.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Terence]

Peter,

You shouldn't be confused: there will always be people of limited
intelligence and understanding who will find offence in any statement,
picture, opinion or attitude that does not conform to their severely
restricted mind-set.

There is nothing to be found on the internet that transcends the barbarity
of certain groups that rape , murder, mutilate and gloat over their
actions, and post their obscene videos to the world, to compare with the
images that are  complained about here.

Perhaps certain people need a reality check, and  professional
reorientation help to rejoin the real world.

Wishing you a happy new year, but doubting it will be, given the human
obstacles to progress,

Saki

On 1 January 2016 at 16:23,  wrote:

> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?
>
> Sent from my android device.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Moore 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:21
> Subject: Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png
>
> On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>   I looked at the first twenty or so
> > images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
> > much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
> > finding those when looking for clipart.
> >
> > In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
> > out into a separate package, at minimum.
>
> I looked at the first 100 and found nothing meriting censorship. Ric
>
>
> --
> My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
> "There are two Great Sins in the world...
> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
> Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
> http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
>
>

mencoder - Skipped and duplicate frames when recording from TV

[Marko Randjelovic]

I use Squeeze on this machine. It has TV card:
Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder

When recording from this TV card with mencoder, every 0.15s on average,
a message is output from mencoder:

1 duplicate frame(s)!

or

Skipping frame!

When playing recorded file, picture and sound are very loosely
synchronized.

Everything worked fine until I reinstalled system. After that, I tried
to change relevant packages' versions hoping that will resolve the
issue, but it didn't.

Regards