Re: .wav afspelen lukt niet

[Geert Stappers]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:11:16PM +0100, henk van ballegooijen wrote:
> Op 19-03-17 om 16:02 schreef Jan Claeys:
> >
> >Ben je zeker dat die WAV-bestanden niet beschadigd zijn, of een
> >ongewone (niet-standaard) codec gebruiken?  Kan je dezelfde bestanden
> >wel afspelen op andere computers?
> >
> >
> Inderdaad, VLC en mplayer maken geen gebruik van gstreamer.
> Hoewel ik geen deskundige ben op dit gebied weet ik dat het soms
> uitmaakt wat voor sample format de wav-bestanden hebben,
> bv. 16-bits, 24-bits, 32-bits.
> Bij mij speelt bv. de  Quod Libet speler wel 16-bits maar geen
> 32-bits bestanden.
> VLC en mplayer hebben er geen probleem mee.
> Een bit-depth van 16 is het meest algemeen en compatibel met de
> meeste geluidskaarten.
> Ik zou proberen om te kijken wat voor wav-bestand het is

$ file wav-bestand
wav-bestand: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, 
stereo 44100 Hz


> en eventueel om te zetten naar 16-bit, bv. met Audacity en te kijken of
> het dan werkt.
> 


Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Leven en laten leven

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Catherine Gramze]

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:19:52 Catherine Gramze wrote:
>>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Lisi Reisz  wrote
>> 
> What I was asking is where you yourself have encountered it recently, not in 
> what circumstances you believe it to be true.
> 
> Particularly where you have encountered it where it takes you past the point 
> of no retreat before you discover that you need a network driver, so that you 
> have wiped your old install and cannot continue to install your new one.
> 
How about the last time I installed Debian using a netinst dvd?

The installer allows you to continue the installation without a configured 
network card, and it shouldn't. If you choose to continue past that point, 
Debian will cheerfully let you complete the base installation. I did it just to 
be sure the installation would work/that the dvd was good before I dragged the 
full setup into the living room within reach of my only available ethernet 
cable. (The wireless NIC I had hoped to use was not recognized) So then the 
computer reboots to the mirror selection, and you can't select a mirror with no 
Internet, so you don't get the default Gnome graphical desktop. 

If you don't understand from the outset that you will need a working Internet 
connection for a full installation, and your network card is not supported 
without firmware, you end up in an infinite loop of trying to choose a mirror 
and failing until you back out of the installer and reboot to the blank screen 
of base install only.

I realize that the very name "net install" should provide all the info 
necessary, but beginners are often not terribly aware of things like drivers 
being needed, and the result of not having one.

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 20 March 2017 23:03:29 Brian wrote:
> [1] I've given up on "agenda"; but not on "data". The World will
> eventually see the error of its ways.

Brian, I squirmed.  "Data is" ... I can just about handle.  I CANNOT (yes, I 
can shout too!) handle "agenda is".  Agenda are always more than one 
thing.  The piece of paper is the *list* of the agenda, which are the things 
which require to be done.  In the unlikely even that a meeting had been 
called that had only one thing to do, then that one thing would be an 
agendum.

My granddaughter may disagree, but she wouldn't dare do so with me in the 
room!

Lisi

Re: claws-mail sending failure

[David Wright]

On Sat 18 Mar 2017 at 16:48:27 (-0500), Charles E. Blair wrote:
>Thanks very much for your reply.
> 
>I have an older machine running claws-mail 3.8.1
> and a newer machine running 3.11.1.  Some but not
> all correspondents stopped being able to receive
> messages from my 3.8.1 machine, while still hearing
> from 3.11.1.  I changed the 3.8.1 "sent" configuration
> (which had previously used a different server), to
> be the same as the 3.11.1 settings, including the
> use of the 587 port and TLS.  These in turn were based
> on documentation provided by the server.
> 
>You talk about "running encrypted" vs unencrypted.
> Is this something I can control using the "preferences
> for current account"?

If you mean "Can I tell claws to use an encrypted connection?"
I don't know as I don't use claws.

I think you have to start the connection in the "modern" way,
ie encrypted from the very start:

$ openssl s_client -starttls smtp -crlf -connect smtp.illinois.edu:587

connects for me, and I get (after the certificate stuff):

New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384
Server public key is 2048 bit
Secure Renegotiation IS supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
SSL-Session:
Protocol  : TLSv1.2
Cipher: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384
Session-ID:
E0343695C6119FF38C21EDA71FC390543AEF8A4C0709A080536A0269072E
Session-ID-ctx: 
Master-Key:

CEAAA20DCF811A292E5280ED709A250931C11C1DA68606192FA429E16DB12A2816A286DE7AE8573DC250F4CF59E043A1
Key-Arg   : None
PSK identity: None
PSK identity hint: None
SRP username: None
Start Time: 1490060955
Timeout   : 300 (sec)
Verify return code: 0 (ok)
---
250 CHUNKING
ehlo hostname ←that's me typing.
250-smtp.illinois.edu Hello [192.17.23.217]
250-SIZE 104857600
250-PIPELINING
250-DSN
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-AUTH GSSAPI NTLM LOGIN
250-8BITMIME
250-BINARYMIME
250 CHUNKING
^C ←that's me typing.

I think some of these systems will happily say they support
STARTTLS if you connect unencrypted, but then throw you off
when you try to start TLS at that late stage.

I agree with someone in the other thread: use exim as an MTA
(I suppose that strictly it's an MSA, Mail Submission Agent)
as it knows how to do this stuff. All my email goes out
through wheezy's exim unless I'm on the road. Then it's jessie.

Just bear in mind that using exim means that emails are queued
for delivery, so "mail sent" does not mean the email has left
your machine already. tail -F /var/log/exim/mainlogwill
show you what's going out (if you are in the "adm" group).

>I had one specific worry.  The failure to send on
> 3.8.1 was accompanied by the message
> 
> > Warning SSL connection failed (A TLS packet with
> > unexpected length was received)
> 
> In my ignorance, I thought this might mean malware
> was adding something to my messages.

I can only guess that this might be the late start-TLS failing.

Cheers,
David.

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:38:36 Richard Owlett wrote:
> With the installer from DVD 1 of 13 the first option in taskel is for
> choosing to have a desktop - the default is yes.

Thanks, Richard!  This is as I expected - the default is to have a desktop.  I 
must find a machine on which I can safely do some net install test installs.  
I should be getting one next month.  But again, the default certainly used to 
be to have a desktop.  I sometimes don't want oen - but land up with one if I 
go to sleep. :-/
Lisi

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:19:52 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> >
> > That sounds as though it is the message that is at fault, not the
> > installer or installation method.  It should perhaps mention that you
> > have to carry on to get a desktop.  Is this in the set of DVDs?
> >
> > Lisi
>
> I have not done a dvd installation in many years, but IIRC it is true for
> the dvds and absolutely true for the netinst. The message about the base
> system being installed is the same.

What I was asking is where you yourself have encountered it recently, not in 
what circumstances you believe it to be true.

Particularly where you have encountered it where it takes you past the point 
of no retreat before you discover that you need a network driver, so that you 
have wiped your old install and cannot continue to install your new one.

Lisi

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

[David Wright]

On Mon 20 Mar 2017 at 23:03:29 (+), Brian wrote:
> On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 23:25:47 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 08:50:55 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 03/19/2017 08:08 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > > >[snip ;]
> > > >
> > > >How's the other research coming along?
> > > >Did you see if there were files whose timestamps change?
> > > >Did you see whether you can find the files which are apparently
> > > >indexed in /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list?
> > > >And if/when you find them, what are you going to use them for,
> > > >in view of your new philosophy of working from the DVDs anyway?
> > > 
> > > It's not new. People just assumed that I would do things a certain
> > > way because that would be the way they would do it.
> > > I put effort into asking narrowly focused questions.
> > 
> > And I put effort into answering it as best I could.
> > The first answer to the thread may well be correct, but
> > you don't appear to have looked to see if it was correct.
> 
> The question asked is clear enough. The responses are muddy. I do not
> think there is an agenda [1] here.

Perhaps you can bring some clarity to the situation.
I have merely tried to suggest some places to look for information
written by synaptic, by analogy with apt-cdrom's behaviour.

>  > ...where is the data about contents of each DVD stored?
> 
> > I suggested /var/lib as another possibility, partly because
> > I think it would be easier to eliminate. All the files in
> > my /var/lib/apt are plain text, so it would be hard to hide
> > the information from scanned CDs.
> 
> It isn't hidden.

Good.

> > OTOH /var/cache/apt contains a couple of .bin files which
> > have package names in them. Not having CDs to scan, I can't
> > test the file timestamp idea. If they changed, it would
> > suggest Jonathan was correct, but be trickier to prove.
> > Hence checking, and possibly eliminating, /var/lib.
> > Also there's the point that those .bin files may contain more
> > than just some CD indexes, so sharing them between different
> > systems would be high-risk.
> 
> I dug out my trusty set of Slink CDs [2] and popped CD1 into the cdrom
> drive.

Mine could still be hanging from threads in the vegetable plot,
scaring the birds. Too many oceans in between for me to check.

>   root@gnome-stable:~# apt-cdrom ident
>   Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/
>   Mounting CD-ROM...
>   Identifying... [312b07c10c39c9ce1e89be115088d562-2]
>   Stored label: Debian GNU/Linux slink (2.1) 1/4 main binary-i386 section 1 
> SAM19990617
>   Unmounting CD-ROM...
> 
>   root@gnome-stable:~# apt-cdrom add
>   Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/
>   Unmounting CD-ROM...
>   Waiting for disc...
>   Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
>   Mounting CD-ROM...
>   Identifying... [312b07c10c39c9ce1e89be115088d562-2]
>   Scanning disc for index files...
>   Found 4 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 
> signatures
>   This disc is called:
>   'Debian GNU/Linux slink (2.1) 1/4 main binary-i386 section 1 SAM19990617'
>   Reading Package Indexes... Done
>   Writing new source list
>   Source list entries for this disc are:
>   deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux slink (2.1) 1/4 main binary-i386 section 1 
> SAM19990617]/ slink contrib main non-US non-free
>   Unmounting CD-ROM...
>   Repeat this process for the rest of the CDs in your set.
> 
> A portion of the output:
> 
>   root@gnome-stable:~# ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   873670 Mar 20 22:30 
> Debian%20GNU_Linux%20slink%20(2.1)%201_4%20main%20binary-i386%20section%201%20SAM19990617_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages
> 
> There we are - a complete answer to the question and a completely
> satisfied customer. :)

I hope so. But I read "Just copying /etc/apt/sources.list and
/var/lib/apt/lists is not enough" written by the OP in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/02/msg00518.html
I reminded the OP of the mention of /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list
quoted in that email, acknowledged on 12 Feb in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/02/msg00537.html
but the question has been raised again. Whether synaptic does
something itself that goes beyond what is done by apt-cdrom, I do not
know; nor where to find that out. Hence the suggestion to carry out
experiments, which the OP might enjoy for the experience.

Obviously the OP wants to be able to find a set of files on one system
which, when transferred to another system, will tell the latter
everything that the former knows about a set of CDs, in order that
they don't have to be rescanned on the latter system. I don't think
your demonstration here has shown that those files _are_ sufficient,
even if you were correct in thinking they are.

Cheers,
David.

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/20/2017 06:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 20 March 2017 20:29:31 Richard Owlett wrote:

On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote:

I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but
your messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default
not selected in the installer, regardless of which installation medium
(netinst, CD, DVD) is being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but
could be disabled as normal, would that not address the "noob" issue
without frustrating those who know they don't want a desktop
environment?


Last time my attention wavered when I was doing a net-install I landed up
with Gnome.  I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a
Gnome desktop.  I will try to test this in the near future.

Lisi


If run from Jessie's DVD 1 of 13, if Desktop is selected but without a
specific D.E. selected, you get Gnome.


The question is what you get by default if you don't actually select
anything - desktop or no desktop.  I got Gnome, so got a desktop.

Lisi




With the installer from DVD 1 of 13 the first option in taskel is for 
choosing to have a desktop - the default is yes.

I'll be able to do a couple of test installs in the morning.
Later.

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Catherine Gramze]

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> 
> That sounds as though it is the message that is at fault, not the installer 
> or 
> installation method.  It should perhaps mention that you have to carry on to 
> get a desktop.  Is this in the set of DVDs?
> 
> Lisi
> 
I have not done a dvd installation in many years, but IIRC it is true for the 
dvds and absolutely true for the netinst. The message about the base system 
being installed is the same. 

Re: TTL expired in transit to qemu virtual machine.

[davidson]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, Mimiko wrote:

On 18.03.2017 07:22, Igor Cicimov wrote:

>uname -a
Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.84-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux

That's an really old kernel, I don't start anything virtual these days 
without at least 3.13.x kernel.


I regularly do apt-get upgrade, but not to next Debian version. So, how this 
kernel be old for Debian 7?


TLDR:

 1. I have no clues to offer regarding OP's virtualisation/networking
 troubles, but I wish them the best of fortune.

 2. OP's kernel version does not look quite current to me, even for
 wheezy (debian 7) and it might be a matter of concern (though I claim
 no particular expertise).

Longer version:

It is not clear to me whether your question

I regularly do apt-get upgrade, but not to next Debian version. So, how this 
kernel be old for Debian 7?


is a request for information, or merely rhetorical (ie, an assertion
that your kernel is in fact current relative to debian 7).

In case you were asking, I'm still using debian 7 too,

  $ cat /etc/debian_version
  7.11

and, for what it's worth, in case it interests you

  $ uname -a
  Linux leviathan 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.86-1 i686 GNU/Linux

I notice the version you posted here (3.2.84-1) is slightly older than
mine. If like myself you plan on running the 3.2.0-4-* release for a
while, It might[1] be worth upgrading at least to version 3.2.86-1:

  https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195

There is also a newer kernel release available, for those who choose
to install it explicitly[3], from the wheezy-backports repository[2],
(see the 3.16.0-0.bpo releases near the end):

  $ apt-cache search '^linux-image-*'
  linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 - Linux 3.2 for older PCs
  linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae - Linux 3.2 for modern PCs
  linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae
  linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 - Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs
  linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae - Linux 3.2 for modern PCs, PREEMPT_RT
  linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux 
3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae
  linux-image-2.6-486 - Linux for older PCs (dummy package)
  linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux for modern PCs (dummy package)
  linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (dummy package)
  linux-image-2.6-686-pae - Linux for modern PCs (dummy package)
  linux-image-2.6-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (dummy package)
  linux-image-486 - Linux for older PCs (meta-package)
  linux-image-686 - Linux for modern PCs (dummy package)
  linux-image-686-bigmem - Linux for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (dummy package)
  linux-image-686-pae - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)
  linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
  linux-image-rt-686-pae - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package), PREEMPT_RT
  linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-586 - Linux 3.16 for older PCs
  linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae - Linux 3.16 for modern PCs
  linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux 
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
  linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 - Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs
  linux-image-586 - Linux for older PCs (meta-package)
  linux-image-686-pae-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux 686-pae configuration 
(meta-package)

But regarding backports, do see https://backports.debian.org/FAQ/

| Q: Is there security support for packages from backports.debian.org?
| 
| A: Unfortunately not. This is done on a best effort basis by the

| people who track the package, usually the ones who originally did
| upload the package into backports. When security related bugs are
| fixed in Debian unstable the backporter is permitted to upload the
| package from directly there instead of having to wait until the fix
| hits testing. You can see the open issues for wheezy-backports in
| the security tracker (though there may be false positives too, the
| version compare isn't perfect yet)

[1] The security-tracker page for CVE-2016-5195 lists version 78-1 as
'vulnerable', and 86-1 as 'fixed'. It is unclear to me what this
is supposed to say about OP's kernel, which is apparently at 84-1.

[2] https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index2h2
[3] https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index3h2

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 20 March 2017 20:54:29 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> the misleading message that your base installation is complete and the
> system will now reboot to Linux. You can't blame some beginners for
> believing the installation is complete!

That sounds as though it is the message that is at fault, not the installer or 
installation method.  It should perhaps mention that you have to carry on to 
get a desktop.  Is this in the set of DVDs?

Lisi

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 20 March 2017 20:29:31 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >> I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but
> >> your messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default
> >> not selected in the installer, regardless of which installation medium
> >> (netinst, CD, DVD) is being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but
> >> could be disabled as normal, would that not address the "noob" issue
> >> without frustrating those who know they don't want a desktop
> >> environment?
> >
> > Last time my attention wavered when I was doing a net-install I landed up
> > with Gnome.  I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a
> > Gnome desktop.  I will try to test this in the near future.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> If run from Jessie's DVD 1 of 13, if Desktop is selected but without a
> specific D.E. selected, you get Gnome.

The question is what you get by default if you don't actually select 
anything - desktop or no desktop.  I got Gnome, so got a desktop.

Lisi

Re: Memory Upgrade for Ancient Enspiron 2600

[rhkramer]

On Monday, March 20, 2017 01:52:16 PM Curt wrote:
> On 2017-03-20, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz  
wrote:
> >>* 1 GB HDD ~$50
> > 
> > You're being ripped off for that size HDD!
> 
> I think some zeros got lost in that gauzy electronic region between
> the sender and the sendee.
> 
> Or maybe a T.


Oops, yeah, you're right--1 TB HDD.

Re: Memory Upgrade for Ancient Enspiron 2600

[rhkramer]

On Monday, March 20, 2017 01:19:54 PM cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 04:38:19PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:



> >* 8 MB RAM $40 to $50
> >* 1 GB HDD ~$50
> 
> You're being ripped off for that size HDD!

Prices change--I haven't bought an HDD or any RAM in probably 2 years.  HDDs 
have gone down, RAM has gone up.

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

[Brian]

On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 23:25:47 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 08:50:55 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 03/19/2017 08:08 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > >[snip ;]
> > >
> > >How's the other research coming along?
> > >Did you see if there were files whose timestamps change?
> > >Did you see whether you can find the files which are apparently
> > >indexed in /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list?
> > >And if/when you find them, what are you going to use them for,
> > >in view of your new philosophy of working from the DVDs anyway?
> > 
> > It's not new. People just assumed that I would do things a certain
> > way because that would be the way they would do it.
> > I put effort into asking narrowly focused questions.
> 
> And I put effort into answering it as best I could.
> The first answer to the thread may well be correct, but
> you don't appear to have looked to see if it was correct.

The question asked is clear enough. The responses are muddy. I do not
think there is an agenda [1] here.

 > ...where is the data about contents of each DVD stored?

> I suggested /var/lib as another possibility, partly because
> I think it would be easier to eliminate. All the files in
> my /var/lib/apt are plain text, so it would be hard to hide
> the information from scanned CDs.

It isn't hidden.

> OTOH /var/cache/apt contains a couple of .bin files which
> have package names in them. Not having CDs to scan, I can't
> test the file timestamp idea. If they changed, it would
> suggest Jonathan was correct, but be trickier to prove.
> Hence checking, and possibly eliminating, /var/lib.
> Also there's the point that those .bin files may contain more
> than just some CD indexes, so sharing them between different
> systems would be high-risk.

I dug out my trusty set of Slink CDs [2] and popped CD1 into the cdrom
drive.

  root@gnome-stable:~# apt-cdrom ident
  Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/
  Mounting CD-ROM...
  Identifying... [312b07c10c39c9ce1e89be115088d562-2]
  Stored label: Debian GNU/Linux slink (2.1) 1/4 main binary-i386 section 1 
SAM19990617
  Unmounting CD-ROM...

  root@gnome-stable:~# apt-cdrom add
  Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/
  Unmounting CD-ROM...
  Waiting for disc...
  Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
  Mounting CD-ROM...
  Identifying... [312b07c10c39c9ce1e89be115088d562-2]
  Scanning disc for index files...
  Found 4 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 
signatures
  This disc is called:
  'Debian GNU/Linux slink (2.1) 1/4 main binary-i386 section 1 SAM19990617'
  Reading Package Indexes... Done
  Writing new source list
  Source list entries for this disc are:
  deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux slink (2.1) 1/4 main binary-i386 section 1 
SAM19990617]/ slink contrib main non-US non-free
  Unmounting CD-ROM...
  Repeat this process for the rest of the CDs in your set.

A portion of the output:

  root@gnome-stable:~# ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   873670 Mar 20 22:30 
Debian%20GNU_Linux%20slink%20(2.1)%201_4%20main%20binary-i386%20section%201%20SAM19990617_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages

There we are - a complete answer to the question and a completely
satisfied customer. :)

-- 
Brian

[1] I've given up on "agenda"; but not on "data". The World will
eventually see the error of its ways.

[2] I wonder whether Steve McIntyre still uses green ink to label
his CDs.

Re: No sound in Firefox

[Marc Shapiro]

On 03/20/2017 03:16 PM, songbird wrote:

Marc Shapiro wrote:

I recently upgraded my Firefox to v52 and immediately lost all sound in
Firefox.  Apparently Firefox now requires PulseAudio, which I had
previously uninstalled due to issues which I no longer remember.  I
tried installing PulseAudio, but still no sound in Firefox.  Also, no
sound anywhere else.  I uninstalled PulseAudio and sound came back
(except for Firefox).  I reverted Firefox to v51.0.1 and I have sound
everywhere.

I would like to reinstall PulseAudio so that I can upgrade Firefox, but
I can't get it to work.  Can anyone help me get sound working with
PulseAudio?

   make sure you have everything installed that you need.


   i had to go find a missing chunk and add it when
this happened to me:

(you may not need the development stuff, but ...)


$ dpkg -l | grep pulse

ii  gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:i386 1.10.4-1   
 i386 GStreamer plugin for PulseAudio
ii  libpulse-dev:i38610.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio client development headers 
and libraries
ii  libpulse-mainloop-glib0:i386 10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio client libraries (glib 
support)
ii  libpulse0:i386   10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio client libraries
ii  libpulsedsp:i386 10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio OSS pre-load library
ii  pulseaudio   10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio sound server
ii  pulseaudio-utils 10.0-1 
 i386 Command line tools for the PulseAudio 
sound server


=

   hth,


   songbird

It's working, now.  Not sure what the problem was, but after purging and 
reinstalling PulseAudio I now have sound that works in the latest 
Firefox.  I still think that it would be better if this hard requirement 
did not exist, but at least it is working now.  I just hope that 
whatever the problem was (years back) that caused me to purge PulseAudio 
in the first place has been fixed and does not come back to bite me.


I think that I'll keep my copy of Firefox v51.0.1 around for a while, 
until I am sure that I don't need to revert to it.


Marc

Re: Erreur lors de l'écriture de test.txt : Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique

[Haricophile]

Le Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:43:49 +0100,
Sébastien Dinot  a écrit :

> J'ai oublié de préciser qu'à ma connaissance, il n'est pas possible
> d'augmenter a posteriori le nombre d'inodes d'un système de fichiers.

Pour ext4 en tout cas, je ne sais pas si c'est vrai de tous les FS

Dans les "workaround" si on a de la place disque dispo pour faire une
partition, on peut recréer un nouveau fs et le monter à la place d'un
dossier qui encombre avec de nombreux petits fichiers.

Il me semble aussi qu'il y avait à une époque un bug a ce sujet dans
Debian, si on est dans ce cas, utiliser un disque d'install a jour...

-- 
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Re: No sound in Firefox

[songbird]

Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I recently upgraded my Firefox to v52 and immediately lost all sound in 
> Firefox.  Apparently Firefox now requires PulseAudio, which I had 
> previously uninstalled due to issues which I no longer remember.  I 
> tried installing PulseAudio, but still no sound in Firefox.  Also, no 
> sound anywhere else.  I uninstalled PulseAudio and sound came back 
> (except for Firefox).  I reverted Firefox to v51.0.1 and I have sound 
> everywhere.
>
> I would like to reinstall PulseAudio so that I can upgrade Firefox, but 
> I can't get it to work.  Can anyone help me get sound working with 
> PulseAudio?

  make sure you have everything installed that you need.


  i had to go find a missing chunk and add it when
this happened to me:

(you may not need the development stuff, but ...)


$ dpkg -l | grep pulse

ii  gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:i386 1.10.4-1   
 i386 GStreamer plugin for PulseAudio
ii  libpulse-dev:i38610.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio client development headers 
and libraries
ii  libpulse-mainloop-glib0:i386 10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio client libraries (glib 
support)
ii  libpulse0:i386   10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio client libraries
ii  libpulsedsp:i386 10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio OSS pre-load library
ii  pulseaudio   10.0-1 
 i386 PulseAudio sound server
ii  pulseaudio-utils 10.0-1 
 i386 Command line tools for the PulseAudio 
sound server


=

  hth,


  songbird

Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1

[Patrick Bartek]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:44:40 + Joe  wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:13:11 -0700
> Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 + "Blair, Charles E III"
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > >I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> > > 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> > > problems with this, and have been advised that I
> > > need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> > > to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> > > some other painless way.  
> > 
> > You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least, not
> > that I've been able to find.
> > 
> >  A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.  I
> > could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was unable to
> > connect to my email providers at all.  They had slowly changed their
> > security protocols which Claws couldn't handle.  I upgraded to 3.10
> > from Wheezy-Backports, but that didn't help.  Had to be at least
> > 3.11 which worked fine on my Jessie install running in VirtualBox.
> > Even looked into compiling 3.11 from source. No go. Dependencies.
> > Wheezy libraries and such were too old.  And the newer libraries
> > were not available for Wheezy. Some had systemd dependencies as
> > well.  Compile them? Nope. Dependencies were the killer. Even
> > thought of adding the Jessie repos to get the libraries, but that
> > wouldn't work. I'd have to upgrade too much of Wheezy, if it would
> > work at all.  And I was fearful of trashing my system.  So, I
> > switched to Sylpheed.  Not as good as Claws, but it worked.  Now,
> > it's starting to have problems: Can't send attachments.
> > 
> > The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a
> > newer version of Debian.  Sorry.
> > 
> 
> If the problems are indeed about connectivity, possibly the use of
> specialist email connectivity software might help i.e. an MTA rather
> than an MUA. I'd be willing to bet that exim4 would deal with any
> connectivity problems, and unless it has been explicitly removed, it
> is part of a default Debian installation and may even be running at
> this very moment.
> 
> OK, there's a bit of a learning curve, but it may be less traumatic
> than upgrading the whole OS. It's a mainstream MTA, there is plenty of
> help on the Net, and this application, an outgoing smarthost with
> (presumably) authentication and/or TLS, isn't particularly exotic.
> Here are some basics:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Exim
> 
> I'm using claws on sid with exim4 on wheezy as smarthost, and I'm
> sending direct to the rest of the world without problems. I'm not
> currently using any authenticated sending from exim4, but I have done
> in the past.

Well, the developer of Claws on his web site said the "problems" users
were experiencing was in Claws itself and it had been fixed in 3.11.  I
don't know if it was a bug or something else. IIRC, the problem was
caused by the implementation of new security protocols by email
providers like Yahoo and GMail, among others, because of a major breach
Yahoo had a couple years ago.

B

Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

[tomas]

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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 08:38:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 20 Mar 2017 at 11:27:50 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > The differentiation in "server" and "desktop" only really made sense
> > for commercial vendors, as a device to extract as much money as
> > possible from their customers. For a free operating system this
> > device doesn't make that much sense (that's perhaps why you will
> > get somewhat surprised reactions over here ;-)
> 
> You're a cynic.
> 
> But you found head of the nail. :)

Heh. Old guy here :)

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Re: Erreur lors de l'écriture de test.txt : Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique

[Sébastien Dinot]

Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
> Il n'y a plus aucun i-node disponible sur le système de fichier.
> Autrement dit, il reste bien de l'espace disponible sur le disque mais
> plus aucun point d'entrée.

J'ai oublié de préciser qu'à ma connaissance, il n'est pas possible
d'augmenter a posteriori le nombre d'inodes d'un système de fichiers. Ce
faisant, les solutions possibles sont :

A. Dans l'immédiat

  Dans l'urgence, supprimer des fichiers, par exemple des paquets Debian
  inutiles. À ce jeu, les paquets linux-headers-* sont d'excellents
  candidats. Attention, les commandes de gestion de paquets de haut
  niveau, notamment les commandes graphiques, sont inopérantes dans ces
  circonstances car elles ont elles-mêmes besoin de créer des fichiers
  temporaires sur le disque. Rien ne vaut un « dpkg --purge  »
  dans ce cas.

B. À terme

  - Sauvegarder les données utiles, notamment le contenu des répertoires
/etc, /home, /root, ... (si le disque est de faible taille, il peut
même être prudent de copier tout son contenu sur un autre support).

  - Reformater le disque en augmentant le nombre d'inodes

  - Réinstaller le système

  - Recopier les données utiles

Sébastien



-- 
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http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/
Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Re: Erreur lors de l'écriture de test.txt : Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique

[Sébastien Dinot]

Patrice Go a écrit :
>et pour un df -i ça donne :
> 
>/dev/root    432352 432352  0  100% /

Il n'y a plus aucun i-node disponible sur le système de fichier. Autrement
dit, il reste bien de l'espace disponible sur le disque mais plus aucun point
d'entrée.

Sébastien

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Re: Erreur lors de l'écriture de test.txt : Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique

[Belaïd]

Bonjour,
Le nombre d'inodes utilités sur le rootfs est à 100% (/dev/root
432352 432352  0  100% /). J'imagine que c'est pour ça que la création
de nouveau fichier bloque puisque pour chaque fichier correspond une
structure inodes.

Le 20 mars 2017 à 22:06, Patrice Go  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> je comprend pas le problème que j'ai sur un serveur rpi.
> je n'arrive pas à écrire des fichiers sur celui-ci, et mon nagios qui est
> dessus ne peut plus rien écrire en tampon.
>
> lorsque je fais un df -h ça donne:
>
> /dev/root  7,2G3,8G  3,4G  54% /
> devtmpfs   215M   0  215M   0% /dev
> tmpfs  219M   0  219M   0% /dev/shm
> tmpfs  219M8,4M  211M   4% /run
> tmpfs  5,0M   0  5,0M   0% /run/lock
> tmpfs  219M   0  219M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
> /dev/mmcblk0p1  50M 19M   31M  38% /boot
> tmpfs   44M   0   44M   0% /run/user/0
>
> donc il semble y avoir de la place.
>
> et pour un df -i ça donne :
>
> /dev/root432352 432352  0  100% /
> devtmpfs  54945311  546341% /dev
> tmpfs 55986  1  559851% /dev/shm
> tmpfs 55986392  555941% /run
> tmpfs 55986  7  559791% /run/lock
> tmpfs 55986  8  559781% /sys/fs/cgroup
> /dev/mmcblk0p10  0  0 - /boot
> tmpfs 55986  4  559821% /run/user/0
>
> dans /etc/fstab :
>
> proc/proc   procdefaults
> 0   0
> /dev/mmcblk0p1  /boot   vfatdefaults
> 0   0
> /dev/mmcblk0p3  noneswapsw
> 0   0
> /swapfile1 noneswapsw
> 0   0
>
> je ne comprend pas ce qui bloque l'écriture ?
>
> si quelqu'un a déjà eu ce genre de problème et aurait une piste ...
>
> merci.
>



-- 
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Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Catherine Gramze]

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> 
>> On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but
>>> your messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default
>>> not selected in the installer, regardless of which installation medium
>>> (netinst, CD, DVD) is being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but could
>>> be disabled as normal, would that not address the "noob" issue without
>>> frustrating those who know they don't want a desktop environment?
>> 
>> Last time my attention wavered when I was doing a net-install I landed up 
>> with
>> Gnome.  I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a Gnome
>> desktop.  I will try to test this in the near future.
>> 
> 
> If run from Jessie's DVD 1 of 13, if Desktop is selected but without a 
> specific D.E. selected, you get Gnome.
> 
You only get Gnome if you have first selected a mirror. But the mirror 
selection comes after the misleading message that your base installation is 
complete and the system will now reboot to Linux. You can't blame some 
beginners for believing the installation is complete! If you don't know what a 
mirror is for, and that the base installation is not what you want, it is 
entirely too easy to back out of the installer at that point thinking you are 
not missing anything. 

If your network card is not recognized and configured, you can't even choose a 
mirror and therefore get stuck at this point, not knowing you only need a 
firmware package, and lacking a means to download that firmware package if you 
know. Mint and Ubuntu solve that issue by including the firmware. I understand 
and agree with the decision to not include it, but there ought to be a way to 
let people know at the very start of an installation that a firmware package is 
going to be needed, so they can stop the installation before they have rendered 
their previous system, and the ability to acquire that firmware package, 
inoperative.

The hard part is determining whether the firmware is needed to function, or to 
allow enhanced function. I get a firmware notice for my network card, but it 
works without it, albeit more slowly than with it.

Re: No sound in Firefox

[Nicolas George]

Le decadi 30 ventôse, an CCXXV, Marc Shapiro a écrit :
> I recently upgraded my Firefox to v52 and immediately lost all sound in
> Firefox.  Apparently Firefox now requires PulseAudio, which I had previously
> uninstalled due to issues which I no longer remember.  I tried installing
> PulseAudio, but still no sound in Firefox.  Also, no sound anywhere else.

That sounds (pun intended) like PulseAudio all right.

>   I
> uninstalled PulseAudio and sound came back (except for Firefox).  I reverted
> Firefox to v51.0.1 and I have sound everywhere.
> 
> I would like to reinstall PulseAudio so that I can upgrade Firefox, but I
> can't get it to work.  Can anyone help me get sound working with PulseAudio?

Maybe you will be interested by this recent thread:

https://sourceforge.net/p/alsa/mailman/message/35734571/

And also this:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857050

Regards,

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Re: No sound in Firefox

[Václav Ovsík]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 01:53:04PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I recently upgraded my Firefox to v52 and immediately lost all sound in
> Firefox.  Apparently Firefox now requires PulseAudio, which I had previously
> uninstalled due to issues which I no longer remember.  I tried installing
> PulseAudio, but still no sound in Firefox.  Also, no sound anywhere else.  I
> uninstalled PulseAudio and sound came back (except for Firefox).  I reverted
> Firefox to v51.0.1 and I have sound everywhere.
> 
> I would like to reinstall PulseAudio so that I can upgrade Firefox, but I
> can't get it to work.  Can anyone help me get sound working with PulseAudio?

and what about
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857050#59
I don't have this on my debian mirror yet...
-- 
Zito

Erreur lors de l'écriture de test.txt : Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique

[Patrice Go]

Bonjour,

je comprend pas le problème que j'ai sur un serveur rpi.
je n'arrive pas à écrire des fichiers sur celui-ci, et mon nagios qui est
dessus ne peut plus rien écrire en tampon.

lorsque je fais un df -h ça donne:

/dev/root  7,2G3,8G  3,4G  54% /
devtmpfs   215M   0  215M   0% /dev
tmpfs  219M   0  219M   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs  219M8,4M  211M   4% /run
tmpfs  5,0M   0  5,0M   0% /run/lock
tmpfs  219M   0  219M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/mmcblk0p1  50M 19M   31M  38% /boot
tmpfs   44M   0   44M   0% /run/user/0

donc il semble y avoir de la place.

et pour un df -i ça donne :

/dev/root432352 432352  0  100% /
devtmpfs  54945311  546341% /dev
tmpfs 55986  1  559851% /dev/shm
tmpfs 55986392  555941% /run
tmpfs 55986  7  559791% /run/lock
tmpfs 55986  8  559781% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/mmcblk0p10  0  0 - /boot
tmpfs 55986  4  559821% /run/user/0

dans /etc/fstab :

proc/proc   procdefaults
0   0
/dev/mmcblk0p1  /boot   vfatdefaults
0   0
/dev/mmcblk0p3  noneswapsw
0   0
/swapfile1 noneswapsw
0   0

je ne comprend pas ce qui bloque l'écriture ?

si quelqu'un a déjà eu ce genre de problème et aurait une piste ...

merci.

No sound in Firefox

[Marc Shapiro]

I recently upgraded my Firefox to v52 and immediately lost all sound in 
Firefox.  Apparently Firefox now requires PulseAudio, which I had 
previously uninstalled due to issues which I no longer remember.  I 
tried installing PulseAudio, but still no sound in Firefox.  Also, no 
sound anywhere else.  I uninstalled PulseAudio and sound came back 
(except for Firefox).  I reverted Firefox to v51.0.1 and I have sound 
everywhere.


I would like to reinstall PulseAudio so that I can upgrade Firefox, but 
I can't get it to work.  Can anyone help me get sound working with 
PulseAudio?



Marc

Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

[Brian]

On Mon 20 Mar 2017 at 11:27:50 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> The differentiation in "server" and "desktop" only really made sense
> for commercial vendors, as a device to extract as much money as
> possible from their customers. For a free operating system this
> device doesn't make that much sense (that's perhaps why you will
> get somewhat surprised reactions over here ;-)

You're a cynic.

But you found head of the nail. :)

-- 
Brian.

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote:

I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but
your messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default
not selected in the installer, regardless of which installation medium
(netinst, CD, DVD) is being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but could
be disabled as normal, would that not address the "noob" issue without
frustrating those who know they don't want a desktop environment?


Last time my attention wavered when I was doing a net-install I landed up with
Gnome.  I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a Gnome
desktop.  I will try to test this in the near future.

Lisi




If run from Jessie's DVD 1 of 13, if Desktop is selected but without a 
specific D.E. selected, you get Gnome.


HTH

Re: Re: Wifi Drivers still not recognized by Debian, even when using Netinst

[Brian]

On Sun 19 Mar 2017 at 17:50:50 -0700, Dean wrote:

> Thank you for your guys' help. I assumed that meant I had to download and
> install the packages manually after installing through the live CD and went
> that route.

More or less. You only need firmware-atheros. You can get it through
activating the backports archive (believe it or believe it not, there
is a wiki page on this) or by downloading the package and installing
it with 'dpkg -i'.

> While trying to install Debian again, I have run into another possibly
> unrelated problem. After going through most of the install procedure, I get
> an error message while trying to install the boot loader:
> 
> "Executing grub-install failed"
> "This is a fatal error"

Only related in that your hardware might be not be handled by a Jessie
installer very gracefully.

> Where can I access error logs that tell me what actually happened, because
> this is really vague and I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this. The
> drive was wiped during the partitioning process and I have no operating
> systems on the laptop (although I have tried to install Debian multiple
> times at this point).

Switch to a console with ALT-F2. 'more /var/log/syslog'.

-- 
Brian.

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but
> your messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default
> not selected in the installer, regardless of which installation medium
> (netinst, CD, DVD) is being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but could
> be disabled as normal, would that not address the "noob" issue without
> frustrating those who know they don't want a desktop environment?

Last time my attention wavered when I was doing a net-install I landed up with 
Gnome.  I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a Gnome 
desktop.  I will try to test this in the near future.

Lisi

Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1

[Joe]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:13:11 -0700
Patrick Bartek  wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 + "Blair, Charles E III"
>  wrote:
> 
> >I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> > 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> > problems with this, and have been advised that I
> > need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> > to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> > some other painless way.  
> 
> You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least, not
> that I've been able to find.
> 
>  A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.  I
> could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was unable to
> connect to my email providers at all.  They had slowly changed their
> security protocols which Claws couldn't handle.  I upgraded to 3.10
> from Wheezy-Backports, but that didn't help.  Had to be at least 3.11
> which worked fine on my Jessie install running in VirtualBox. Even
> looked into compiling 3.11 from source. No go. Dependencies. Wheezy
> libraries and such were too old.  And the newer libraries were not
> available for Wheezy. Some had systemd dependencies as well.  Compile
> them? Nope. Dependencies were the killer. Even thought of adding the
> Jessie repos to get the libraries, but that wouldn't work. I'd have
> to upgrade too much of Wheezy, if it would work at all.  And I was
> fearful of trashing my system.  So, I switched to Sylpheed.  Not as
> good as Claws, but it worked.  Now, it's starting to have problems:
> Can't send attachments.
> 
> The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a newer
> version of Debian.  Sorry.
> 

If the problems are indeed about connectivity, possibly the use of
specialist email connectivity software might help i.e. an MTA rather
than an MUA. I'd be willing to bet that exim4 would deal with any
connectivity problems, and unless it has been explicitly removed, it is
part of a default Debian installation and may even be running at this
very moment.

OK, there's a bit of a learning curve, but it may be less traumatic
than upgrading the whole OS. It's a mainstream MTA, there is plenty of
help on the Net, and this application, an outgoing smarthost with
(presumably) authentication and/or TLS, isn't particularly exotic. Here
are some basics:
https://wiki.debian.org/Exim

I'm using claws on sid with exim4 on wheezy as smarthost, and I'm
sending direct to the rest of the world without problems. I'm not
currently using any authenticated sending from exim4, but I have done
in the past.

-- 
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Re: alléger une image pdf

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2017-03-19 18:53:15 +0100, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr wrote:
> je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?

ps2pdf (qui est en fait un wrapper à gs).

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[SOLVED] Re: [debian/stretch] problems playing zipped midi file on console

[Ennio-Sr]

* Ennio-Sr  [130317, 17:21]:
> [Duplicates a post to _debian/italian@..._]
> 
> However, when I try to play a  zipped midi file (from within _lynx_) the
> two PCs behave differently: one plays it using timidity, whereas the
> other asks to Download or Cancel the file.
> 

Just for future on-lookers (including myself)
Solved comparing strace results: in /home/user there was an incomplete
hidden .mime.types disrupting the previous configuration.
Regards, Ennio

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 Fa' qualche cosa di cui non sei capace!"  (diceva Henry Miller) ](°|°)
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 Do something you aren't good at!" (as Henry Miller used to say) ]

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[Christophe]

Bonjour,

Le 20/03/2017 à 19:17, Erwan David a écrit :


Non : hellkrusher (machine cliente) envoie à player688 à 20:27 CET et ça
pars imédiatement sur mo177.mai-out.ovh.net, puis bendel le reçois 10
minutes plus  tard (19:37 UTC). C'est compatible avec un greylist sur
bendel comme quelqu'un l'a suggéré.



Plus simple que ça :

X-Greylist: delayed 3610 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at bendel; Sun, 19 Mar 
2017 19:17:54 UTC


Pour peu qu'OVH n'utilise pas toujours le même serveur de sortie pour 
ré-envoyer, il n'est pas étonnant que la "validation postgrey" prenne 
"un certain temps".


En revanche, il n'y a pas beaucoup de solutions contre ça :
* Soit retirer postgrey de "bendel.debian.org".
* Soit dire à OVH d'envoyer toujours avec le même serveur ... (ou d'en 
limiter le nombre)


Autrement dit, c'est pas gagné ;) .

@+
Christophe.

Re: `Filter failed' no print error message

[Rodolfo Medina]

Brian  writes:

> Post the output of 'ls -l /usr/lib/cups/filter'.

Here it is:

$ ls -l /usr/lib/cups/filter
total 1332
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  43168 Jan 19 13:44 bannertopdf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   1907 Jan 19 13:44 brftoembosser
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  10480 Feb 16  2016 commandtocanon
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  10496 Feb 16  2016 commandtoepson
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  10232 Jan 19 13:44 commandtoescpx
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  10232 Jan 19 13:44 commandtopclx
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  14328 Jan 31 07:00 commandtops
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 109680 Jan 19 13:44 foomatic-rip
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root555 Jan 19 13:44 gstopdf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root558 Jan 19 13:44 gstopxl
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  22520 Jan 19 13:44 gstoraster
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  10232 Jan 31 07:00 gziptoany
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   2900 Jan 19 13:44 imagetobrf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  38952 Jan 19 13:44 imagetopdf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root988 Jan 19 13:44 imagetops
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  52592 Jan 19 13:44 imagetoraster
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jan 19 13:44 imagetoubrl -> imagetobrf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   6580 Jan 19 13:44 imageubrltoindexv3
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   6648 Jan 19 13:44 imageubrltoindexv4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  14328 Jan 19 13:44 mupdftoraster
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  22624 Jan 19 13:44 pdftoijs
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 145808 Jan 19 13:44 pdftoopvp
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 157864 Jan 19 13:44 pdftopdf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  39280 Jan 19 13:44 pdftops
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  34984 Jan 19 13:44 pdftoraster
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  51224 Jan 31 07:00 pstops
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 31 07:00 rastertodymo -> rastertolabel
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  18424 Jan 31 07:00 rastertoepson
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  30712 Jan 19 13:44 rastertoescpx
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  44152 Feb 16  2016 rastertogutenprint.5.2
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  18424 Jan 31 07:00 rastertohp
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  22520 Jan 31 07:00 rastertolabel
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  30712 Jan 19 13:44 rastertopclx
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  67680 Jan 19 13:44 rastertopdf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  14328 Jan 19 13:44 rastertops
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  14328 Jan 31 07:00 rastertopwg
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  44284 Mar  7 14:55 rastertosamsungspl
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  26728 Jan 19 13:44 sys5ippprinter
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   3111 Jan 19 13:44 textbrftoindexv3
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jan 19 13:44 textbrftoindexv4 -> textbrftoindexv3
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   5298 Jan 19 13:44 texttobrf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  58672 Jan 19 13:44 texttopdf
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root982 Jan 19 13:44 texttops
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  22520 Jan 19 13:44 texttotext
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  39008 Jan 19 13:44 urftopdf

Thanks,

Rodolfo

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[Cyrille]

> Non : hellkrusher (machine cliente) envoie à player688 à 20:27 CET et
> ça pars imédiatement sur mo177.mai-out.ovh.net, puis bendel le reçois
> 10 minutes plus  tard (19:37 UTC). C'est compatible avec un greylist
> sur bendel comme quelqu'un l'a suggéré.
oups alors là encore plus largué , dsl !
Mais depuis que je me suis desinscrit réinscrit, ça passe ;-)
Donc le problème venait peut être de là

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[Erwan David]

Le 03/20/17 à 19:09, daniel huhardeaux a écrit :
> Le 19/03/2017 à 20:27, Cyrille a écrit :
>> Bizarre, bizarre
>>
>> Quand je poste sur la liste, j'ai au moins un délai d'une bonne heure
>> entre l'envoi de mes messages et leur apparition sur la liste.
>> De ce fait, je suis toujours en décalage avec le fil de la conversation
>> (Exemple : sur le thread  "alléger un PDF", j'ai posté à 19h et il est
>> tombé à 20h17)
>>
>> Vous savez d'où ça peut venir ?
>>
> Extrait de tes entêtes
> 
> [...]
> Received: from 1.mo177.mail-out.ovh.net (1.mo177.mail-out.ovh.net
> [178.33.107.143])
> (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
> (Client did not present a certificate)
> by bendel.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9EC698
> for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017
> 19:37:42 + (UTC)
> Received: from player688.ha.ovh.net (b6.ovh.net [213.186.33.56])
> by mo177.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF9236317
> for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:27:54
> +0100 (CET)
> Received: from hellkrusher (mab59-1-88-186-23-76.fbx.proxad.net
> [88.186.23.76])
> (Authenticated sender: cyri...@cbiot.fr)
> by player688.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8D7E120077
> for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:27
> [...]
> 
> Problème entre ovh.net et proxad.net (!) via hellkrusher ...
> 

Non : hellkrusher (machine cliente) envoie à player688 à 20:27 CET et ça
pars imédiatement sur mo177.mai-out.ovh.net, puis bendel le reçois 10
minutes plus  tard (19:37 UTC). C'est compatible avec un greylist sur
bendel comme quelqu'un l'a suggéré.

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[Cyrille]

> Problème entre ovh.net et proxad.net (!) via hellkrusher ...
 
Oups, un peu largué là, je fais quoi ?
Le dernier c'est mon PC mais pour le reste ...

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[daniel huhardeaux]

Le 19/03/2017 à 20:27, Cyrille a écrit :

Bizarre, bizarre

Quand je poste sur la liste, j'ai au moins un délai d'une bonne heure
entre l'envoi de mes messages et leur apparition sur la liste.
De ce fait, je suis toujours en décalage avec le fil de la conversation
(Exemple : sur le thread  "alléger un PDF", j'ai posté à 19h et il est
tombé à 20h17)

Vous savez d'où ça peut venir ?


Extrait de tes entêtes

[...]
Received: from 1.mo177.mail-out.ovh.net (1.mo177.mail-out.ovh.net 
[178.33.107.143])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
(Client did not present a certificate)
by bendel.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9EC698
for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 19:37:42 
+ (UTC)
Received: from player688.ha.ovh.net (b6.ovh.net [213.186.33.56])
by mo177.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF9236317
for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:27:54 
+0100 (CET)
Received: from hellkrusher (mab59-1-88-186-23-76.fbx.proxad.net [88.186.23.76])
(Authenticated sender: cyri...@cbiot.fr)
by player688.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8D7E120077
for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:27
[...]

Problème entre ovh.net et proxad.net (!) via hellkrusher ...

--
Daniel

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[Cyrille]

Cool à mettre des-inscrit / re-inscrit, le message est tombé de suite !
Cool
Merci bien pour l'info


Le Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:02:39 +0100,
Cyrille  a écrit :

> > Es tu inscrit dans la liste Debian ?  
> Oui et depuis un bout de temps
> Je reçois tous les messages
> mais ça fait quelques temps (1 an ou 2) que j'ai remarqué cela.
> (je sais je suis long à réagir sur ce coup ; ensuite j'ai changé
> d'hébergeur , peut être il y a un truc qui le chiffonne avec cela)
> 
> Bon du coup j'ai refait une desinscription / inscription 
> 
> 
> On verra bien
> 
> Thx pour les pistes ;-)

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[Cyrille]

> Es tu inscrit dans la liste Debian ?
Oui et depuis un bout de temps
Je reçois tous les messages
mais ça fait quelques temps (1 an ou 2) que j'ai remarqué cela.
(je sais je suis long à réagir sur ce coup ; ensuite j'ai changé
d'hébergeur , peut être il y a un truc qui le chiffonne avec cela)

Bon du coup j'ai refait une desinscription / inscription 


On verra bien

Thx pour les pistes ;-)

Re: Memory Upgrade for Ancient Enspiron 2600

[Curt]

On 2017-03-20, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz  wrote:

>>* 1 GB HDD ~$50
>
> You're being ripped off for that size HDD! 
>

I think some zeros got lost in that gauzy electronic region between
the sender and the sendee.

Or maybe a T.

-- 
"It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the
far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs.
Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To
the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

Re: Memory Upgrade for Ancient Enspiron 2600

[cbannister]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 04:38:19PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 04:08:09 PM Doug wrote:
> > Whether or not this is all economically worth while, or you should throw
> > the machine out and buy a new one is up to you.
> 
> I typically build replacement computers (for myself, son, and a few others) 
> for $200 to $300 (or less) (without Windows).  I do this by watching for 
> items 
> on sale at places like Newegg and Tigerdirect.
> 
> A typical build has a 64 bit AMD processor, 8GB of memory, and at least 200 
> GB 
> of disk.  
> 
> A typical budget:
> 
>* Motherboard and CPU $70 to $100
>* case and power supply $30 to $60 (I typically get a new power supply for 
> ~$20), if I can, I'll re-use a case (if it is a size that I like (and holds 
> the MB)
>* 8 MB RAM $40 to $50
>* 1 GB HDD ~$50

You're being ripped off for that size HDD! 

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

Re: outil de monitoring

[Wallace]

Le 20/03/2017 à 17:33, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> On Saturday 18 March 2017 20:54:42 Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote:
>> Le samedi 18 mars 2017, david hannequin a écrit...
>>> CentOS/Fedora, si tu veux avoir une solution stable et professionnel
>>> je te conseille de changer de distribution Linux pour CentOS/RHEL.
>> Oh ? T'es sérieux, quand tu dis ça ? :
> Oui, CentOS/RHEL est sans doute le bon choix pour monter un serveur Linux,
> solide, fiable et sans bugs.
> Les paquets s'installent facilement car super bien adaptés par RedHat.
>
> Cette opinion ne remet pas du tout en cause la qualité et le sérieux de 
> Debian.
>
> Debian, distribution tout terrain, à la fois poste de travail et serveur,
> CentOS/RHEL, pour monter un serveur.
>

Mes yeux piquent, un serveur ça ne doit avoir rien à présenter tant
qu'on ne lui demande pas.
Or à ce jeu là Redhat et dérivés ont énormément de services qui écoutent
sur le réseau alors que l'on a rien demandé. C'est comparable à un
Windows Serveur.

Dans ma boite d'hébergement infogérance, on fait principalement du
Debian qui par défaut n'écoute que sur du ssh avec une empreinte disque
de 800Mo donc en gros y a rien à part ssh. Rien que cela sans le
hardening c'est déjà super efficace.




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Re: outil de monitoring

[Olivier Lange]

Le 20 mars 2017 à 17:33,  a écrit :
>
>
> Oui, CentOS/RHEL est sans doute le bon choix pour monter un serveur Linux,
> solide, fiable et sans bugs.
> Les paquets s'installent facilement car super bien adaptés par RedHat.
>
> Cette opinion ne remet pas du tout en cause la qualité et le sérieux de
> Debian.
>
> Debian, distribution tout terrain, à la fois poste de travail et serveur,
> CentOS/RHEL, pour monter un serveur.
>

On est déjà vendredi? Sérieusement? J'ai rien vu passé de la semaine...
P :(

Olivier

Re: outil de monitoring

[andre_debian]

On Saturday 18 March 2017 20:54:42 Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote:
> Le samedi 18 mars 2017, david hannequin a écrit...
> > CentOS/Fedora, si tu veux avoir une solution stable et professionnel
> > je te conseille de changer de distribution Linux pour CentOS/RHEL.

> Oh ? T'es sérieux, quand tu dis ça ? :

Oui, CentOS/RHEL est sans doute le bon choix pour monter un serveur Linux,
solide, fiable et sans bugs.
Les paquets s'installent facilement car super bien adaptés par RedHat.

Cette opinion ne remet pas du tout en cause la qualité et le sérieux de 
Debian.

Debian, distribution tout terrain, à la fois poste de travail et serveur,
CentOS/RHEL, pour monter un serveur.

André

Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1

[Patrick Bartek]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 + "Blair, Charles E III"
 wrote:

>I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> problems with this, and have been advised that I
> need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> some other painless way.

You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least, not that
I've been able to find.

 A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.  I
could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was unable to
connect to my email providers at all.  They had slowly changed their
security protocols which Claws couldn't handle.  I upgraded to 3.10 from
Wheezy-Backports, but that didn't help.  Had to be at least 3.11 which
worked fine on my Jessie install running in VirtualBox. Even looked
into compiling 3.11 from source. No go. Dependencies. Wheezy libraries
and such were too old.  And the newer libraries were not available for
Wheezy. Some had systemd dependencies as well.  Compile them?
Nope. Dependencies were the killer. Even thought of adding the Jessie
repos to get the libraries, but that wouldn't work. I'd have to upgrade
too much of Wheezy, if it would work at all.  And I was fearful of
trashing my system.  So, I switched to Sylpheed.  Not as good as Claws,
but it worked.  Now, it's starting to have problems: Can't send
attachments.

The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a newer
version of Debian.  Sorry.

B

Re: [OFF] LPI 2

[Glauber Vieira]

Boa Tarde Gabriel,

Segue dois sites para estudo.

http://lpic2.unix.nl/
https://www.lisenet.com/lpic-2/

Atenciosamente,

Glauber Vieira



2017-03-20 12:06 GMT-03:00 Gabriel Ricardo :

> Boa tarde!
>
> Tenho que renovar meu LPI esse ano, mas quero estudar um pouco mais.
>
> Alguém poderia indicar algumas literaturas para o estudo?
>
> Obrigado.
>
> Atenciosamente,
> *Gabriel Ricardo*
> Fone: +55 41 88817828 <(41)%208881-7828>
> Skype: gabriel.nerdworkti
>
>

[OFF] LPI 2

[Gabriel Ricardo]

Boa tarde!

Tenho que renovar meu LPI esse ano, mas quero estudar um pouco mais.

Alguém poderia indicar algumas literaturas para o estudo?

Obrigado.

Atenciosamente,
*Gabriel Ricardo*
Fone: +55 41 88817828
Skype: gabriel.nerdworkti

Re: Getting clock_gettime() with CLOCK_TAI to give the right answer

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017, at 08:09, Edmund Grimley Evans wrote:
> What's the easiest way of getting a Debian system to know about the
> offset between TAI and UTC?
> 
> Presumably something like what's described here for SUSE would work:
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/1156693/is-there-a-way-of-getting-correct-clock-tai-on-linux

Yes, it looks like it would work just fine provided the kernel and ntp
have the required functionality (the superuser answer do not state the
ntp daemon version required).  It should be easy enough for you to test
this, though: it looks rather safe.

> Ideally it would just work out of the box with no special
> configuration but being able to fix it with an "apt-get install
> ntp-something" would be nearly as good.

Someone who is interested in the functionality would need to research
and document the implications of enabling this, and file a bug
requesting the feature against the relevant packages... hint ;-)

FWIW, I agree that we should provide it enabled by default in ntp if at
all possible.  And the fact that the Linux kernel even returns something
other than an error when queried for an uninitialized TAI clock (thus it
will return anything but TAI time), is quite a bug (one that might even
be required behavior by POSIX _or_ be the lesser evil for all I know,
but still...).

-- 
  Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 

Re: problems after installing Debian

[rhkramer]

I'm not the OP, but: good / helpful post--thanks!

On Monday, March 20, 2017 05:15:19 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 08:52:14PM -0500, Michael Milliman wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > As an addendum to my previous post on this topic, the reason this
> > library is not included in the Debian repositories is that there are
> > legal issues in some jurisdictions associated with using this library.
> > I'm not sure exactly what the legal issues are, but it has something to
> > do with copyrights, not of the library, but of the videos.  So, you
> > might want to check on the legalities in your jurisdiction.
> 
> To be more specific: the DVD's content is (almost always) encrypted
> (the so-called "Content Scrambling System" aka CSS). To unscramble,
> you need a key, issued by one industry consortium. Every "device"
> manufacturer (a device can also be a piece of software) has to get
> such a key, under the usual "industry standard" abusive conditions,
> perhaps involving some money changing hands.
> 
> Now DeCSS managed to circumvent all that -uh- circus, which AFAIK
> involves some "leaked" keys (remember each "device", that involves
> software, has some key somehow embedded in it. Obfuscation makes it
> difficult, yet not impossible to extract the key).
> 
> The currently preferred libdvdcss uses another approach and doesn't
> need leaked keys.
> 
> In some jurisdictions, the wormtongue^H^H "content industry" lobbies
> have managed to make it illegal to circumvent (or help in circumventing)
> such "intellectual property protection schemes". Even talking about
> it (as I am doing now) might be considered iffy in some jurisdictions
> (I think the situation is a tad better these days, but I might be
> wrong). This is the famous DMCA in the USA, although we have similarly
> appetizing things over here in the EU.
> 
> The gist of the thing is that you *might* get in hot water by even
> offering such a library in the InterTubes (the original DeCSS author
> actually got into legal hot water). And that the laws and their
> exceptions are so mushy as to be ideal food for lawyers. The kind of
> warm and humid climate where FUD grows best.
> 
> In a nutshell, best to get politically involved or at least to
> throw some money at those fighting the good fight (in the USA you
> have a huge choice, like the EFF and the FSF to name but two).
> 
> Read more here:
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_scrambling_system
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss
> 
> Regards
> -- tomás

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[MERLIN Philippe]

Le dimanche 19 mars 2017, 20:27:54 CET Cyrille a écrit :
> Bizarre, bizarre
> 
> Quand je poste sur la liste, j'ai au moins un délai d'une bonne heure
> entre l'envoi de mes messages et leur apparition sur la liste.
> De ce fait, je suis toujours en décalage avec le fil de la conversation
> (Exemple : sur le thread  "alléger un PDF", j'ai posté à 19h et il est
> tombé à 20h17)
> 
> Vous savez d'où ça peut venir ?
> 
> Merci bien !
Es tu inscrit dans la liste Debian ?
Si non cela explique ton retard, personnellement j'ai remarqué que si j'envoie  
un message en n'utilisant l'adresse mail d'inscription  le message apparaît 
beaucoup plus tardivement de l'ordre d'une heure, dans le cas contraire c'est 
instantané. 
Philippe MERLIN

Re: Délai post sur la liste

[andre_debian]

On Monday 20 March 2017 07:14:44 Cyrille wrote:
> > Tu utilises ton propre serveur mail ?
> > Un webmail ?

> J'ai un nom de domaine chez OVH, c'est donc eux qui gèrent le serveur
> J'utilise claw-mails en client mail.

Peut-être ton DNS en est-il la cause ?
Si il est trop sollicité, ça retarde l'envoi vers la ML.

André

Re: [Stable] Trouble with openvpn

[Paul Wise]

Try looking at the openvpn logs or systemd journal while you start
openvpn via the three different methods. If you compare the logs, you
might get a hint about what is happening.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1

[francesco scaglione]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 +
"Blair, Charles E III"  wrote:

>I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> problems with this, and have been advised that I
> need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> some other painless way.

Well, through wheezy-backports you can at least install claws-mail
3.10.1:

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/claws-mail

Francesco

Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

[tomas]

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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:10:16AM +0100, aorlikow...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
> Website, there is just offering Debian.
> 
> Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
> the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?
> 
> It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
> either Server or Desktop or both of them.

Other answers in the thread already sum it up: for Debian there's no
difference whether "server" or desktop -- it is the way you *use* it
what makes a difference. And it can be both at the same time.

That said, if you have a narrow use case in mind, it makes of course
sense to just install what is needed (as others have said, for example,
no desktop environment at all).

That's what the Debian "tasks" are meant for: groups of packages
recommended for specific uh... tasks, there for you to select with
a single click at installation time (or later, if you wish!). You
can select several tasks (remember, the installation can play several
roles at a time).

The differentiation in "server" and "desktop" only really made sense
for commercial vendors, as a device to extract as much money as
possible from their customers. For a free operating system this
device doesn't make that much sense (that's perhaps why you will
get somewhat surprised reactions over here ;-)

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Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

[DdB]

Hello Achim,

Desktop or Server? Is a photo without colors black OR white?

Language can be misleading at times. I reckon, your expectation might
come from the Ubuntu world, as they are in fact offering somthing more
preconfigured, that lacks the flexibility to match users needs as
finegrained as debian does.

I suggest, you list the requirements of your server, and when you are
clear about your wishlist, use some spare (or virtual) machine and walk
through the install accordingly. Nothing magic or complicated. And if
you enjoy more babysitting, look here:
https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/debian-8-jessie-minimal-server/

Cheers, DdB

Am 20.03.2017 um 10:10 schrieb aorlikow...@gmail.com:
>  

Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:10:16AM +0100, aorlikow...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
> Website, there is just offering Debian.
> 
> Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
> the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?

No; there is one installer, and it handles both use-cases. During installation
you can opt to select a Desktop Environment, or not.

> It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
> either Server or Desktop or both of them.

It's both, but you are right, perhaps we can improve our documentation to
reflect this.

Thanks
 

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Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

[Dejan Jocic]

On 20-03-17, aorlikow...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
> Website, there is just offering Debian.
> 
> Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
> the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?
> 
> It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
> either Server or Desktop or both of them.
> 
> Regards fron Germany
> 
> Achim Orlikowski
> 
> 
Debian is universal operating system and it is stated so on Debian main
page. How you will use it is up to you. You can choose during
installation process what you want to install. If you need it for server
and you do not want desktop environment you can do it with no problems.
Would suggest reading manual though, you will find more detailed
explanations there.

Have fun :)

Re: Suggested edit

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 04:57:19PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 17 March 2017 16:45:31 Catherine Gramze wrote:
> > It is more important to not intimidate the beginner. 
> 
> Not, it isn't.  Debian is for experts, or would-be experts, or those who will 
> never be experts but like to pretend.

That may be your view, but it's not necessarily a view shared by everyone who
contributes to the Debian project. For what it's worth, I disagree that Debian
is only for experts. I think it is perceived as only being for experts because
we've failed in some ways to make it accessible to non-experts. A popular tag
line for the project used to be "the universal operating system", after all.
It's worth looking at the platforms for the two prospective Debian Leader
candidates: this is a hot topic.

https://www.debian.org/vote/2017/platforms/mehdi
https://www.debian.org/vote/2017/platforms/lamby

(I piped those two lines through "sort -R"; there's no preference implied by
their order in this email).

I happen to agree with Catherine that we can do something to improve the
situation for beginners. I don't think this has to be at the expense of experts.

> I am so sad that Debian is becoming more and more Ubuntu-ised.  For those who 
> want and like Ubuntu, Ubuntu exists.

Ubuntu is very popular on the desktop, that is true, but it's also incredibly
popular in the server space too, where you might be arguing Debian belongs, if
it's for "experts only". Ubuntu's ease of use has not meant it is relegated to
beginners only. It's also the most popular distribution of Linux in use on the
Cloud.

Why isn't Debian winning in that space? Ubuntu couldn't succeed without Debian,
to this day it is still built on the hard work of Debian developers. Although
these days there's quite a lot of stuff in Ubuntu that isn't or won't be in
Debian (Mir, Unity, LXD, etc.) so the difference is larger than it once was.

Having said that, when you use terms like "Ubuntu-ised" it's difficult to have
a proper debate. Please consider specifically spelling out the changes that you
think are being made to Debian (or have been made), that shouldn't, if you want
to discuss them.

> > We were all a beginner once.
> 
> Yes, we were.  And we either managed, had help (I had a lot AND used Libranet 
> (an easier true derivative - used Debian sources, but pinned) or used a 
> derivative.  

WE did, yes. But many others have not. For Debian to continue to succeed we need
more people to contribute to its development: that means more users, and that 
means
more potential users not giving up. It's hard to be sure exactly how many Debian
users there are, but if you look at indicators like frequent contributors to 
this
mailing list, or frequent contributors to the wiki, etc., it's a pretty small 
pool
of people relative to some other communities.

> We neither expect nor demand that Windows be installable by all and sundry, 
> from scratch, on an empty machine.

I don't understand what you mean here; is Windows a mistake, or are you making
a comparison of Windows to Debian, or to Ubuntu? Your intent is lost to me.

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installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:18:57AM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote:
> Cc: Jonathan Dowland 

Please do not mail me directly, I am subscribed to the list. I put this
prominently in my email signature. I also set Mail-Followup-To (MFT[1])
accordingly.  Consider switching to a mailer that supports MFT (I personally
recomment mutt). Also, please read over the Debian Mailing Lists Code of
Conduct[2], specifically the bullet point "When replying to messages on the
mailing list, do not send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they
explicitly request to be copied."

[1] https://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html
[2] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

> > On Mar 17, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Dowland  wrote:
> Beginners are installing server systems as their first experience with Linux?
> I think not.

I didn't say 'first experience', but even so, perhaps. Although my first
experiences are possibly too old to be relevant nowadays, they were with Red
Hat, Debian etc. on PCs to use as personal web servers. With the excitement
around IoT, small embedded devices, things like the Arduino, Pi and mashups
of the two, I think it's very plausible that people who are new to Linux may
be using things that are not classical PCs with proper displays.

> Any sane server administrator is going to set up a test system first, and
> probably on a desktop so they can easily mess around with it while they learn
> about the tools it offers. 

Sane sysadmins will set up test systems, true, but they will not deviate
dramatically from the configuration of the prod server in doing so, or the test
is less useful. Installing a large amount of software in a test system that
won't be present in a production environment is very likely to cause deployment
issues. A graphical desktop stack is a large amount of software.

If we get back to your initial suggestion for a moment:

> It would be nice if people intuitively understood that the "base system" was
> not going to meet their expectations of a minimal install, which includes a
> desktop environment, but noobs don't understand that.

I agree with this. There is a problem here to be solved. Perhaps we can consider
renaming or rewording 'base system'.

> Equally nice would be an "advanced installation" option to only do a base
> system installation.  Making the selection of a mirror and desktop
> environment an unskippable part of the installation, unless you chose that
> advanced "base system" would be very user friendly, particularly for noobs.

The suggestion here is what I disagree with because it will frustrate people
who don't want a full desktop. However there might be some middle ground that
improves the situation.

I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but your
messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default not selected
in the installer, regardless of which installation medium (netinst, CD, DVD) is
being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but could be disabled as normal,
would that not address the "noob" issue without frustrating those who know they
don't want a desktop environment?

Although your message suggests the behaviour is not different between
netinst/CD/DVD, I can understand if some believe that we should not default "on"
any selection which is not satisfied by the installation media in use. In which
case improving our documentation on the websites around where the images are
obtained is worth exploring.

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Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

[aorlikow...@gmail.com]

Hello

I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
Website, there is just offering Debian.

Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?

It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
either Server or Desktop or both of them.

Regards fron Germany

Achim Orlikowski

Re: problems after installing Debian

[tomas]

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On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 08:52:14PM -0500, Michael Milliman wrote:

[...]

> As an addendum to my previous post on this topic, the reason this
> library is not included in the Debian repositories is that there are
> legal issues in some jurisdictions associated with using this library.
> I'm not sure exactly what the legal issues are, but it has something to
> do with copyrights, not of the library, but of the videos.  So, you
> might want to check on the legalities in your jurisdiction.

To be more specific: the DVD's content is (almost always) encrypted
(the so-called "Content Scrambling System" aka CSS). To unscramble,
you need a key, issued by one industry consortium. Every "device"
manufacturer (a device can also be a piece of software) has to get
such a key, under the usual "industry standard" abusive conditions,
perhaps involving some money changing hands.

Now DeCSS managed to circumvent all that -uh- circus, which AFAIK
involves some "leaked" keys (remember each "device", that involves
software, has some key somehow embedded in it. Obfuscation makes it
difficult, yet not impossible to extract the key).

The currently preferred libdvdcss uses another approach and doesn't
need leaked keys.

In some jurisdictions, the wormtongue^H^H "content industry" lobbies
have managed to make it illegal to circumvent (or help in circumventing)
such "intellectual property protection schemes". Even talking about
it (as I am doing now) might be considered iffy in some jurisdictions
(I think the situation is a tad better these days, but I might be
wrong). This is the famous DMCA in the USA, although we have similarly
appetizing things over here in the EU.

The gist of the thing is that you *might* get in hot water by even
offering such a library in the InterTubes (the original DeCSS author
actually got into legal hot water). And that the laws and their
exceptions are so mushy as to be ideal food for lawyers. The kind of
warm and humid climate where FUD grows best.

In a nutshell, best to get politically involved or at least to
throw some money at those fighting the good fight (in the USA you
have a huge choice, like the EFF and the FSF to name but two).

Read more here:

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_scrambling_system
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss

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Re: alsa entrée et sortie son différentes

[hamster]

Le 20/03/2017 à 06:11, jérémy prego a écrit :

bonjour,

quelqu'un utiliserait-il  encore alsa avec une configuration a 2 carte 
son sur une Debian récente ? les fichier asound.conf ou .asound que je 
trouve sur le net ne me donne pas entière satisfaction, je n'ai pas le 
multicanal ou le dmix dans le langage ALSA. je suis en train d'essayer 
pulseaudio, mais le son n'est pas bon du tout, il craque, ne 
fonctionne pas quand il n'y a aucune session de lancer, bref, un outil 
que je maudit.
pour Pulseaudio j'ai bien appliqué ce que j'ai trouvé dans les docs 
d'Ubuntu par exemple mais rien a faire, ça craque toujours...


ce que je souhaite faire avec alsa, c'est d'avoir la carte 0 pour la 
lecture et la carte 1 pour la capture.
malheureusement, le logiciel ne permet pas de choisir le son dans sa 
config, donc je suis obligé de le faire au niveau du système


J'ai pas ta solution pour alsa, mais est-ce que t'a essayé jack ?

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Re: alléger une image pdf

[Fabien R]

On 19/03/2017 21:12, Christophe Gallaire wrote:
> Bonsoir,
> 
> S'agit-il d'alléger le document PDF ou une image qui est insérée dans un PDF ?
> 
Tu peux également utiliser le format déjàvu à la place.

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QEMU doesn't open?

[Fjfj109]

More to the point, QEMU (more specifically, QtEmu) itself does open, but when I 
try to open a virtual machine, nothing happens. I use an ISO for the cd rom 
option and set it to boot from CD-ROM; surveying the various options is giving 
me no luck as to how to solve this

Re: alléger une image pdf

[contact]

Le 19/03/2017 à 18:53, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :

bonjour,


je souhaiterai alléger une image pdf, mais comment faire ?


slt
bernard


Sous linux pdftk qui permet d'allerger pour un écran, séparer, joindre .


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Re: TTL expired in transit to qemu virtual machine.

[Mimiko]

On 18.03.2017 07:22, Igor Cicimov wrote:

>uname -a
Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.84-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux

That's an really old kernel, I don't start anything virtual these days without 
at least 3.13.x kernel.


I regularly do apt-get upgrade, but not to next Debian version. So, how this 
kernel be old for Debian 7?


Hmmm, this doesn't make much sense to me, more specifically this part:

vlan-raw-device bond0
bridge_ports bond0

Whats the purpose exactly of the vlan? Usually, and that is how I do it, you 
would split the VLAN's coming from the switch trunk port over the bond
and attach them to separate bridges lets say:


Don't mind that line. I putted it as a reminder to continue extend networking 
in using vlans. For now there is no vlan used.



That's strange indeed, except if br0 is used by something else like libvrit 
network that sets up the interface for proxy-arp. What's the output of:

# brctl showmacs br0


port no mac addris local?   ageing timer
  1 bridge mac  yes0.00
  8 fe:54:00:13:76:5b   yes0.00
  5 fe:54:00:44:ac:39   yes0.00
  6 fe:54:00:a8:35:fb   yes0.00
  2 fe:54:00:c2:64:2d   yes0.00
  4 fe:54:00:d5:17:fb   yes0.00
  3 fe:54:00:de:83:2d   yes0.00



# ip route show


10.0.0.0/8 via 10.10.10.254 dev br0
10.10.0.0/16 dev br0  proto kernel  scope link  src 10.10.10.10



# arp -n


gives a long list for local and virtual ip/mac



on the host, and:

# ip link show


I can't connect using ssh, only vnc.
This shows lo and eth0 with corresponding mac and is UP


# ip route show

10.10.0.0/16 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.10.10.3
169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link metric 1002
default via 10.10.10.254 dev eth0


# arp -n


gives a long list for local and virtual ip/mac




on the problematic vm and on one of the good vm's?


Thouse 3 commands shows the same (except ip and mac) on both vm's.




To find the loop I would start by doing ping between good and bad vm (both 
directions in turns) and check the traffic on the host interface:

# tcpdump -ennqt -i br0 \( arp or icmp \)

and corresponding network devices on both vm's too.


This gives me lot of output regarding arp and icmp on LAN.


Any sysctl settings you might have changed on the host?


net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore=1
net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_announce=2


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Re: TTL expired in transit to qemu virtual machine.

[Mimiko]

On 17.03.2017 13:21, Dominik George wrote:

iptables -L FORWARD -nv

Chain FORWARD (policy DROP 0 packets, 0 bytes)
pkts bytes target prot opt in out source
destination
XX ACCEPT all  --  br0br0 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0

What is that supposed to do?

Forwarding on the IP layer, by definition, happens between different interfaces.

Although this rule is most likely a no-op, you should remove it to reduce 
confusion.


This rule allows traffic to virtuals. Without this rule virtuals does not have access to LAN. Yes, I know that bridge setup does not need iptables, 
but reality is this.



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Re: Délai post sur la liste

[Cyrille]

Bjr
> Tu utilises ton propre serveur mail ?
> 
> Un webmail ?
J'ai un nom de domaine chez OVH, c'est donc eux qui gèrent le serveur
J'utilise claw-mails en client mail.

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