Debian installation issues

[David DLC]

Hello,

I have been trying to install Debian Jessie for about a week now. I have a
64-bit Windows 10 PC. I have shrunk the main C drive by 25 gbs, and turned
off fast boot. I downloaded the AMD-64 small CD iso, and used win32 disk
imager to write it to a 2 gb usb stick. However, when I boot my computer
from the disk, I get the error message "The selected boot device failed.
Press  to continue." I tried another program, Rufus, to write the
image file. There was no difference even when I tried that. I am at a
complete loss at what to do. I don't know if it's a problem with my
computer, or if I am doing something incorrectly.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you

Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system

[David Wright]

On Sun 04 Jun 2017 at 13:14:42 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2017-06-04 11:19 (UTC-0500):
> ...
> > But you're unusual in working in this area, so unlike most of us
> > you're going to have a dedicated tool available; in fact you work
> > on it I see.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean. I'm only a DFSee user, no kind of programmer.

I obviously misunderstood the appearance of your name in doc/dfsee.txt
but its presence manifestly shows you have some interest in it.

> I
> discovered the value of sticking to one single partitioning tool with an
> interface consistent across environments for use on multiboot systems back in
> 2000, when I first took serious interest in adding Linux to my installed 
> systems
> repertoire for eventual migration from OS/2. Back then in v3.x it had native
> binaries for DOS, Windows and OS/2 only. Its Linux binary was introduced in
> 2004,

About the time I retired from having any use for DOS. As I said,
my aside was referring to the late 1990s. You can see that I don't
set such a great store by it nowadays.

> Mac in 2007. GPT writing, which I have yet to use, was a long time coming,
> introduced in 2015.

Yes, I can see the value in using a single tool. Currently in my case
it's gdisk but, then, I don't have disks with 30+ partitions of every
kind under the sun.

However, my original comment was aimed at the screen I included
within it, where the information displayed is a fraction of what
is contained in your fi965d03.txt file. Almost without exception,
the unambiguous partition sizes are the least likely parameter
to be omitted in such a listing so differences might still be useful
for some people.

Cheers,
David.

Re: FOSS-friendly Wireless Access Point (WAP) for SOHO network?

[David Christensen]

On 06/05/2017 07:14 PM, David Christensen wrote:

I am looking for a FOSS-friendly Wireless Access Point (WAP) ...


Thanks everyone for the replies and information.  I'll need to re-read 
everything, STFW, and mull it over.



David

Re: pointers to material for using netbook's wireless as access point

[Joel Rees]

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Joel Rees  wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 4:10 PM, didier gaumet  wrote:
>> Le 06/06/2017 à 03:58, Joel Rees a écrit :
>> [...]
>> can anyone point me to a good how-to?
>> [...]
>>
>> these should do the trick:
>> https://agentoss.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/creating-a-wireless-access-point-with-debian-linux/
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Software_access_point
>> http://oob.freeshell.org/nzwireless/LWAP-HOWTO.html
>>
>
> I'd thought I was recognized the URLs as some I had looked at before,
("had recognized" or maybe "was recognizing", erk)
> but I check now and see lots of useful information. Thanks.
>
> I'll probably have more questions when I've had a chance to work through
> them.

Okay, I have partial success. My kids can connect via wireless, but I can't
connect on the netbook in question, at all.

First thing I did was install rfkill and use it to undo whatever had the thing
believing I'd shut the wireless down by hand or something:

---
$sudo rfkill list all
0: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: yes
Hard blocked: no
1: ideapad_wlan: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: yes
Hard blocked: yes

$sudo rfkill unblock wifi

$sudo rfkill unblock all

$sudo rfkill list all
0: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
1: ideapad_wlan: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no
---

My /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf is below, along with one of the
/etc/network/interfaces files I've tried. This combination allows my children
to access the internet from my netbook's wifi, through my netbook's ethernet,
to the provider's modem. I cannot access the internet on the same
netbook. (It only has one ethernet port.

DHCP from the modem is routed through the
wireless to the children's

Should I just remove networkmanager from the system, or should I try
to solve this by the NAT approach (which I still am working through).

-- 
Joel Rees

One of these days I'll get someone to pay me
to design a language that combines the best of Forth and C.
Then I'll be able to leap wide instruction sets with a single #ifdef,
run faster than a speeding infinite loop with a #define,
and stop all integer size bugs with a bare cast.

More of my delusions:
http://reiisi.blogspot.com/2017/05/do-not-pay-modern-danegeld-ransomware.html
http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/p/novels-i-am-writing.html





clients:

-hostapd.conf
### Wireless network name ###
interface=wlan0

### Driver Name ###
driver=nl80211

### Set your bridge name ###
bridge=br0

### Country name code in ISO/IEC 3166-1 format. ###
# This is used to set regulatory domain.
# Set as needed to indicate country in which device is operating.
# This can limit available channels and transmit power.
### (IN == INDIA, UK == United Kingdom, US == United Stats and so on ) ###
country_code=JP

### SSID: ###
ssid=StuporInducingNetwork

### channel number (some drivers will only accept 0) ###
channel=1

### operation mode (a = IEEE 802.11a, b = IEEE 802.11b, g = IEEE 802.11g) ###
hw_mode=g
ieee80211n=1
ht_capab=[HT40+][SHORT-GI-40][DSSS_CCK-40]

### WPA mode: ###
wpa=2

### passphrase (WiFi password): ###
wpa_passphrase=something!wouldn0t$#0wHER3

## Key management algorithms ##
wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK

## Set cipher suites (encryption algorithms) ##
## TKIP = Temporal Key Integrity Protocol
## CCMP = AES in Counter mode with CBC-MAC
wpa_pairwise=TKIP
rsn_pairwise=CCMP
## Shared Key Authentication ##
auth_algs=1
## Accept all MAC address ###
macaddr_acl=0

---

---interfaces-v1
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo br0
#auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
#iface eth0 inet dhcp
# iface eth0 inet static
iface eth0:0 inet manual

iface eth0:1 inet static
 address 172.19.138.147
netmask 255.255.255.128
gateway 172.19.138.179
broadcast 172.19.138.191
#
dns-nameservers 172.19.138.179 208.67.222.222 8.8.4.4



wireless wlan0
allow-hotplug wlan0
#iface wlan0 inet static
iface wlan0 inet manual

# Setup bridge
iface br0 inet manual
bridge_ports wlan0 eth0:0
address 172.19.138.177
netmask 255.255.255.192
network 172.19.138.160
broadcast 172.19.138.191
## isp router 172.19.138.179 also runs DHCPD ##
gateway 172.19.138.179
dns-nameservers 172.19.138.179 208.67.222.222 8.8.4.4
-

This next interfaces file tries to make the default route explicit, but gives
similar results:

---interfaces-v2
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more 

Re: watchdog did not stop (on rebooting)

[RavenLX]

On 06/07/2017 07:33 PM, Dekks Herton wrote:


If you have a thinkpad and use tlp you can set the NMI watchdog to off
in /etc/default/tlp


I do have tlp installed. Here's what is in the file. Looks like it's 
already disabled:


# Kernel NMI Watchdog:
#   0=disable (default, saves power), 1=enable (for kernel debugging only)
NMI_WATCHDOG=0


also look at /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog to see the state


$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog
0

Looks like it's "off" by default. This is strange!

Re: watchdog did not stop (on rebooting)

[Dekks Herton]

If you have a thinkpad and use tlp you can set the NMI watchdog to off
in /etc/default/tlp

also look at /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog to see the state




RavenLX writes:

> I was trying to find a way to fix this warning on my Thinkpad. I have 
> found out that it is normal for this to happen and can safely be ignored.
>
> Reference links:
>
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=153205
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/249654/message-at-shutdown-watchdog-did-not-stop
>
> However, if I set reboot-acpi AND irqpoll (in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in 
> /etc/default/grub) on a ThinkPad T61 (my computer), I get this error:
>
> "CPU pipe B FIFO underrun"
>
> So naturally I don't set reboot-acpi! :) (I was experimenting in trying 
> to get rid of the watchdog warnings but gave up as it seems harmless and 
> won't go away anyway).
>
> Just thought I'd share this in case others run into these things.

Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 07 June 2017 10:54:26 Darac Marjal wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 10:35:23AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >On Wednesday 07 June 2017 08:56:59 ray wrote:
> >> I would like to know the correct syntax for entering a server entry
> >> for stretch.
> >>
> >> All the documentation I find says to list the ntp servers in the
> >> file as: server 0.XX.pool.ntp.org
> >> server 1.XX.pool.ntp.org
> >>
> >> An example source from 2017 is https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime
> >>
> >> When I open /etc/ntp.conf on my new stretch installation, I find
> >> this format: pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
> >> pool 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
> >>
> >> The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
> >> The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.
> >>
> >> Are these interchangeable?
>
> As I understand it "server" will do name resolution once and pick an
> IP from the result. "pool" will periodically refresh the name and
> cycle to a different member of the pool.
>
> >> Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in
> >> the Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm
>
> Did you install ntp-doc? Did you check there?

I haven't gotten around to checking that, its on a raspberry pi3b, which 
has a fan on its heat sinks, but isn't terribly stable, I've locked it 
up tight at least a dozen times so far today with my horsing around.

But I did appear to get ntp to do its job, by adding "server " in front 
of the fqdn's in /etc/ntp.conf.

[...]

Now, if I could just make it use the routers broadcasts. Or could at 
least prove it is broadcasting. Yes it is, I caught a broadcast at 
xx.xx.xx.255:

14:16:14.760909 IP coyote.coyote.den.ntp > xx.xx.xx.255.ntp: NTPv4, 
Broadcast, length 48

So it is broadcasting. Now the trick is to make the rest of my machines 
use it.  Hints & examnples welcomed.

And I did install ntp-doc just now. A wee bit more verbose, but still no 
examples.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: (abort)Re: why can't I visit this web site

[Long Wind]

Thank Greg Wooledge!

I have created a new user, and the problem remain
it mean the default setting does not work for the web site

iceweasel in jessie really is firefox?
it's strange that firefox for XP is ok with the site

Thank Brian!

On 6/8/17, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 08, 2017 at 04:05:33AM +0800, Long Wind wrote:
>> On 6/8/17, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>> > Why are you using Iceweasel?  (You probably said, but I can't find it.)
>
>> iceweasel is debian's fork of firefox( which is popular)?
>> i want to use a popular browser
>> and i think iceweasel is a popular one.
>
> You've missed the point, though to be fair it wasn't spelled out very
> clearly.
>
> The "iceweasel" name is historic now.  The trademark issues with
> Mozilla have been resolved.  In jessie and stretch, iceweasel is a
> *transitional* package, existing only to bring in firefox-esr for
> people who had previously been using the browser under that name.
> Once you've got firefox-esr installed, you can remove the "iceweasel"
> transitional package.
>
> As for your original issue, I'm stumped.  Firefox-esr (and iceweasel
> before it) have Javascript enabled by default.  If your Javascript web
> site isn't loading in those browsers, and you're sure you've tried it with
> the default settings, then the reason is something much too subtle for me.
>
> (If you haven't tried it with the default settings yet, that would be
> the next thing I'd try.  Create a new browser profile, or create a
> whole new Debian user account if you want a *really* clean slate.)
>
>

Re: (abort)Re: why can't I visit this web site

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jun 08, 2017 at 04:05:33AM +0800, Long Wind wrote:
> On 6/8/17, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > Why are you using Iceweasel?  (You probably said, but I can't find it.)

> iceweasel is debian's fork of firefox( which is popular)?
> i want to use a popular browser
> and i think iceweasel is a popular one.

You've missed the point, though to be fair it wasn't spelled out very
clearly.

The "iceweasel" name is historic now.  The trademark issues with
Mozilla have been resolved.  In jessie and stretch, iceweasel is a
*transitional* package, existing only to bring in firefox-esr for
people who had previously been using the browser under that name.
Once you've got firefox-esr installed, you can remove the "iceweasel"
transitional package.

As for your original issue, I'm stumped.  Firefox-esr (and iceweasel
before it) have Javascript enabled by default.  If your Javascript web
site isn't loading in those browsers, and you're sure you've tried it with
the default settings, then the reason is something much too subtle for me.

(If you haven't tried it with the default settings yet, that would be
the next thing I'd try.  Create a new browser profile, or create a
whole new Debian user account if you want a *really* clean slate.)

Re: Problemas na atualização

[Rodolfo]

Você está fazendo isso como root? Seu sudo está devidamente configurado?

Em 7 de junho de 2017 16:34, Arles  escreveu:

> Prezados,
>
> Alguém poderia me ajudar com o seguinte problema apresentado depois de
> tentar atualizar e corrigir a atualização?
>
> Desde já agradeço.
>
> @:~$ sudo apt --fix-broken install
> Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
> Construindo árvore de dependências
> Lendo informação de estado... Pronto
> Corrigindo dependências... Pronto
> The following additional packages will be installed:
>   linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common
> Os pacotes a seguir serão atualizados:
>   linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common
> 1 pacotes atualizados, 0 pacotes novos instalados, 0 a serem removidos e 0
> não atualizados.
> 1 pacotes não totalmente instalados ou removidos.
> É preciso baixar 0 B/7.470 kB de arquivos.
> Depois desta operação, 10,2 kB adicionais de espaço em disco serão usados.
> Você quer continuar? [S/n] s
> Lendo logs de mudanças... Feito
> (Lendo banco de dados ... 542034 ficheiros e directórios actualmente
> instalados.)
> A preparar para desempacotar .../linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common_4.9.30-1_all.deb
> ...
> A descompactar linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common (4.9.30-1) sobre (4.9.25-1) ...
> dpkg: erro ao processar o arquivo /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-
> headers-4.9.0-3-common_4.9.30-1_all.deb (--unpack):
>  não foi possível abrir '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-
> 3-common/arch/mips/include/asm/octeon/cvmx-wqe.h.dpkg-new': Operação não
> permitida
> Erros foram encontrados durante o processamento de:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common_4.9.30-1_all.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
> --
>
>
>
>    *Arles*
>   ⡿⠀⠀⡿
>   ⡿⠀⠀⡿  GPG: D4E1 17EB 33F6 AB37 781D
>   ⠀⠀⡿⡿⠀⡿⡿⡿6BBE 6E96 A548 5BFE 0829
>
> 
>
>

Problemas na atualização

[Arles]

Prezados,

Alguém poderia me ajudar com o seguinte problema apresentado depois de
tentar atualizar e corrigir a atualização?

Desde já agradeço.

@:~$ sudo apt --fix-broken install
Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
Construindo árvore de dependências  
Lendo informação de estado... Pronto
Corrigindo dependências... Pronto
The following additional packages will be installed:
  linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common
Os pacotes a seguir serão atualizados:
  linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common
1 pacotes atualizados, 0 pacotes novos instalados, 0 a serem removidos e
0 não atualizados.
1 pacotes não totalmente instalados ou removidos.
É preciso baixar 0 B/7.470 kB de arquivos.
Depois desta operação, 10,2 kB adicionais de espaço em disco serão usados.
Você quer continuar? [S/n] s
Lendo logs de mudanças... Feito
(Lendo banco de dados ... 542034 ficheiros e directórios actualmente
instalados.)
A preparar para desempacotar
.../linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common_4.9.30-1_all.deb ...
A descompactar linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common (4.9.30-1) sobre (4.9.25-1) ...
dpkg: erro ao processar o arquivo
/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common_4.9.30-1_all.deb
(--unpack):
 não foi possível abrir
'/usr/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common/arch/mips/include/asm/octeon/cvmx-wqe.h.dpkg-new':
Operação não permitida
Erros foram encontrados durante o processamento de:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-4.9.0-3-common_4.9.30-1_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

-- 

 *Arles* ⡿⠀⠀⡿ ⡿⠀⠀⡿ GPG: D4E1 17EB 33F6 AB37
781D ⠀⠀⡿⡿⠀⡿⡿⡿ 6BBE 6E96 A548 5BFE 0829 

Re: (abort)Re: why can't I visit this web site

[Brian]

On Thu 08 Jun 2017 at 04:05:33 +0800, Long Wind wrote:

> On 6/8/17, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Why are you using Iceweasel?  (You probably said, but I can't find it.)
> >
> > Lisi
> 
> iceweasel is debian's fork of firefox( which is popular)?
> i want to use a popular browser
> and i think iceweasel is a popular one.

iceweasel is definitely not a fork of firefox.

Cue history of Debian's naming of a popular web browser.

-- 
Brian.

Re: (abort)Re: why can't I visit this web site

[Long Wind]

On 6/8/17, Lisi Reisz  wrote:

>
> Why are you using Iceweasel?  (You probably said, but I can't find it.)
>
> Lisi
>
>

iceweasel is debian's fork of firefox( which is popular)?
i want to use a popular browser
and i think iceweasel is a popular one.

Re: (abort)Re: why can't I visit this web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 07 June 2017 01:51:30 Long Wind wrote:
> i can visit the web site with firefox 4 xp and android browser. the problem
> is with iceweasel
>
> thanks anyway!
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017, SDA  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 05:30:05AM +0800, Long Wind wrote:
> > > Thank Thomas!
> > > I disable javascript, but it still display nothing.
> > >
> > > the web site is in Chinese, use Unicode
> > >
> > > my energy is limited,I give up
> > > Thank all those who reply!
> >
> > I posted a link to what the page looks like as a webm movie. Not see it?

Why are you using Iceweasel?  (You probably said, but I can't find it.)

Lisi

Re: OT: Thunderbird ultima versión

[Miguel Matos]

El día 7 de junio de 2017, 9:14, Marcelo Giordano
 escribió:
> utilizo
> aptitude update thunderbird
> y me sale error La orden «update» no toma argumentos
> como sería la sentencia correcta?
>
> El 6 de junio de 2017, 18:49, Miguel Matos 
> escribió:
>>
>> El día 6 de junio de 2017, 15:23, Marcelo Giordano
>>  escribió:
>> > Hola amigos.
>> > Resulta que tengo mi Thunderbird en la versión 45.8 cuando según la
>> > página
>> > web ya estan lanzando la versión 52.
>> > Para actualizarlo me fui a mis respositorios y agregue estas líneas
>> > deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-release
>> > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free
>> >
>> > hice apt update y apt upgrade y nada
>> >
>> > también probé con
>> > apt-get -t jessie-backports install thunderbird
>> > y me dice que tengo la última versión
>> > Donde puede estar el error?
>> > Desde ya muy agradecido con la ayuda que me brinden
>>
>> , curioso, parece que sí está disponible los backports. Y
>> pensar que yo normalmente me bajaba el paquete de thunderbird y luego
>> hacía update cuando me decía que no se actualizaba, y lo tenía que
>> hacer con el usuario root :/
>>
>> ¿Y qué tal usar aptitude update en lugar de apt update y similar con
>> apt upgrade?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz
>>
>

Entre ( ) : trata de escribir siempre debajo de los mensajes, para
mantener la uniformidad en las respuestas; de lo contrario se genera
confusión.
Sigamos. Tal parece que no, entonces, me tocó preguntar en el trabajo
con qué otras opciones se puede, y lo intenté yo mismo. Esto me salió
a mí:
->sudo aptitude full-upgrade thunderbird
thunderbird is already installed at the latest version
(1:52.1.1+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1), so it will not be upgraded.
thunderbird is already installed at the latest version
(1:52.1.1+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1), so it will not be upgraded.
No se instalará, actualizará o eliminará ningún paquete.
0 paquetes actualizados, 0 nuevos instalados, 0 para eliminar y 44 sin
actualizar.
Necesito descargar 0 B de archivos. Después de desempaquetar se usarán 0 B.

Remarco el sudo porque sólo el usuario root puede actualizar.

A propósito, el usuario Jose Maria me recordó que debía cambiar el
propietario de la carpeta (así hice con xampp y foxit reader, y me
olvidé de hacerlo con firefox y thunderbird)... muchas gracias.
-- 

Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz

Re: Choose between amd64 and i386

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 07/06/2017 à 10:33, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :



Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian Acer One
(tablet and laptop together) but always failed.  I used
debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso.  Now we have debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
Are you suggesting a different iso file?





Same problem also with this iso image: at the beginning the machine seems to
boot into the Debian Installer menu, but when I enter it the screen becomes
unreadable and all sticks and I have to restart the machine.


Did the installer start in EFI or BIOS/legacy mode ?
The installer boot menu tells when started in EFI mode.

Did you try all combinations of the following ?
- BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode
- text-mode install or GUI install
- 32-bit install or 64-bit install

Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Jim Ohlstein]

Hello,

On Wed, 2017-06-07 at 10:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 June 2017 08:56:59 ray wrote:
> 
> > I would like to know the correct syntax for entering a server entry
> > for stretch.
> >
> > All the documentation I find says to list the ntp servers in the
> file
> > as: server 0.XX.pool.ntp.org
> > server 1.XX.pool.ntp.org
> >
> > An example source from 2017 is https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime
> >
> > When I open /etc/ntp.conf on my new stretch installation, I find
> this
> > format: pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
> > pool 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
> >
> > The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
> > The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.
> >
> > Are these interchangeable?
> >
> > Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in
> > the Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ray
> 
> Begin rant:
> 
> From someone who is currently battling a fresh jessie install that
> didn't 
> even come with ntpdate installed, and which using the above format 
> in /etc/ntp.conf is still about 12 hours off on an rpi-3.
> 
> Installing ntpdate and attempting to start it gets me a no servers
> found 
> message, yet they are defined as discussed above, and the network is 
> fully accessible to all other forms of communication. 

$ sudo ntpdate -s pool.ntp.org
>  
> 
> That doc on www.ntp.org is nice, but worthless to someone who just
> wants 
> it to work. I have quite a zoo of machines here, and I see little 
> advantage to each one banging on a network server, when it needs an 
> update.  But does it give even a hint of how to make this machine,
> or 
> heaven forbid, my router, which keeps time via ntp, and which I
> believe 
> has the time broadcast enabled, (its dd-wrt in a buffalo box) into a 
> server that the rest of my machines can listen to to get the correct 
> time. If I could achieve that, it would reduce the loading on the
> time 
> servers at debian or pool.ntp.org by a factor of 5 or 6 just from my 
> home network.
> 
> But a manpage that actually tells us how to do that must be sick
> bird, 
> because its not been written yet.  Man page writers please get real,
> and 
> tell us how to do something like getting our home networks all 
> synchronized to our routers which can then broadcast it to the rest
> of 
> our network.
> 
> Such a scheme can easily keep us on time with any errors within a
> few 
> milliseconds, more than adequate enough for the girls I go with.
> While 
> reducing the load on the servers by at least 80%.
> 
> So how about a manpage that tells us how to do that?  If its not
> illegal 
> according to some rfc that is.
> 
> Rant off.
> 
> Thanks for reading.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page 
> 
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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Brian]

On Wed 07 Jun 2017 at 10:30:54 -0500, John Hasler wrote:

> Remove Ntp and install Chrony.

Too easy. There would be nothing to rant about. :)

https://chrony.tuxfamily.org/comparison.html

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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[John Hasler]

Remove Ntp and install Chrony.
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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 07 Jun 2017, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 03:54:26PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
> > As I understand it "server" will do name resolution once and pick an IP
> > from the result. "pool" will periodically refresh the name and cycle to
> > a different member of the pool.
> 
> Really?  Why isn't this documented?  Is it simply urban legend passed

It is.  In the full documentation, package ntp-doc.

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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Greg Wooledge]

Hey look, there's already a bug open:

 "ntp: Please document 'pool' in ntp.conf"

Filed November 1, 2015.

Except... it's not open.  It's been closed.  They sat on it for two
years until the stretch freeze, and then "fixed" it in experimental.
So we won't even get it in stretch.

Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Joshua Schaeffer]

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> I largely agree with Gene.  The man pages are incredibly silly.  They
> don't tell you how to do the Most Basic Common Thing.  Instead they
> talk about "type s and r addresses" and "a preemptable association
> is mobilized" and "mobilizes a persistent  symmetric-active  mode
> association" and "type b and m addresses" and other such gibberish.
>

That is one of the ideas behind the info pages. Man pages have always been
technically oriented and are generally very focused. They don't really
offer context. Now, I'm not saying that info pages accomplish this (some
do, some don't), but that was one of the original ideas behind info pages,
is to be more real world and comprehensive. There are trade offs to both
approaches.

You typically get a dichotomy of groups about man pages and documentation
in general. Some people prefer the more technical nature of the man pages,
while others find it frustrating. Can be further exacerbated by the fact
that people tell other people to RTFM, but even reading a man page top to
bottom doesn't help when it actually comes to setting up a piece of
software (as you probably experienced yourself).

In general man pages are more helpful when you already understand the
software in question and are looking for specific information.

Thanks,
Joshua Schaeffer

Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 03:54:26PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 10:35:23AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 07 June 2017 08:56:59 ray wrote:


I would like to know the correct syntax for entering a server entry
for stretch.

All the documentation I find says to list the ntp servers in the file
as: server 0.XX.pool.ntp.org
server 1.XX.pool.ntp.org

An example source from 2017 is https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime

When I open /etc/ntp.conf on my new stretch installation, I find this
format: pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst

The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.

Are these interchangeable?


As I understand it "server" will do name resolution once and pick an IP
from the result. "pool" will periodically refresh the name and cycle to
a different member of the pool.


See also https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/confopt.html#pool






Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in
the Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm


Did you install ntp-doc? Did you check there?




Thanks,
Ray


Begin rant:

From someone who is currently battling a fresh jessie install that didn't
even come with ntpdate installed, and which using the above format
in /etc/ntp.conf is still about 12 hours off on an rpi-3.

Installing ntpdate and attempting to start it gets me a no servers found
message, yet they are defined as discussed above, and the network is
fully accessible to all other forms of communication.

That doc on www.ntp.org is nice, but worthless to someone who just wants
it to work. I have quite a zoo of machines here, and I see little
advantage to each one banging on a network server, when it needs an
update.  But does it give even a hint of how to make this machine, or
heaven forbid, my router, which keeps time via ntp, and which I believe
has the time broadcast enabled, (its dd-wrt in a buffalo box) into a
server that the rest of my machines can listen to to get the correct
time. If I could achieve that, it would reduce the loading on the time
servers at debian or pool.ntp.org by a factor of 5 or 6 just from my
home network.


By a factor of 5 or 6? You think you own 5 or 6 times more servers than
everyone else combined? (I think you just mean "reduce [...] by 5 or
6").

Does your router inform other devices on the network that it should be
used as a time server? In the DHCP specification there is an option
called "time-servers". The idea is that a network administrator sets
this to be the approved time servers for the network and clients
synchronise to that. In debian, this is facilitated by
/etc/dchp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ntp (at least, if you use the ISC DHCP
client). That script will read the "time-servers" option from the DHCP
packet, write /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp and ensure that file is
included from your main ntp.conf. As far as I'm aware, this is default
behaviour.



But a manpage that actually tells us how to do that must be sick bird,
because its not been written yet.  Man page writers please get real, and
tell us how to do something like getting our home networks all
synchronized to our routers which can then broadcast it to the rest of
our network.


There's an XY problem here. You probably shouldn't put this information
into the NTP man pages, as it's not NTP that's doing the work. The
information about the "time-servers" option *is* in the DHCP manpage,
but probably there's no information about the specific hook being
included.


My mistake, the correct option is "ntp-servers".

https://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/ConfiguringNTP#Section_6.12.



If the NTP hook is Debian-specific, then... I don't know where that
should be documented. If it's upstream, then... Well, if every project
documented every decision for creating every file, then there'd be a lot
to wade through.



Such a scheme can easily keep us on time with any errors within a few
milliseconds, more than adequate enough for the girls I go with. While
reducing the load on the servers by at least 80%.

So how about a manpage that tells us how to do that?  If its not illegal
according to some rfc that is.

Rant off.

Thanks for reading.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Genes Web page 



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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 03:54:26PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
> As I understand it "server" will do name resolution once and pick an IP
> from the result. "pool" will periodically refresh the name and cycle to
> a different member of the pool.

Really?  Why isn't this documented?  Is it simply urban legend passed
from user to user?

I largely agree with Gene.  The man pages are incredibly silly.  They
don't tell you how to do the Most Basic Common Thing.  Instead they
talk about "type s and r addresses" and "a preemptable association
is mobilized" and "mobilizes a persistent  symmetric-active  mode
association" and "type b and m addresses" and other such gibberish.

I guess Ill try changing one of my intranet time servers from "server"
to "pool" and see what happens.

Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 10:35:23AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Begin rant:
> 
> From someone who is currently battling a fresh jessie install that didn't 
> even come with ntpdate installed, and which using the above format 
> in /etc/ntp.conf is still about 12 hours off on an rpi-3.

The ntpdate package has been deprecated for some time now, in Debian.
You don't need it.  Simply install the ntp package, and configure the
/etc/ntp.conf file (which admittedly is not clearly documented).

Current versions of Debian have folded the ntpdate functionality into
ntp.  The /etc/default/ntp file has (or should have!) this:

NTPD_OPTS='-g'

This starts ntpd with the -g option, which tells it that it's allowed
to slam the clock forward or backward exactly once when it starts up,
mimicking what ntpdate used to do.

> Installing ntpdate and attempting to start it gets me a no servers found 
> message, yet they are defined as discussed above, and the network is 
> fully accessible to all other forms of communication.  

Sounds like something is misconfigured, though we can't tell what it is
without additional info.

> But a manpage that actually tells us how to do that must be sick bird, 
> because its not been written yet.  Man page writers please get real, and 
> tell us how to do something like getting our home networks all 
> synchronized to our routers which can then broadcast it to the rest of 
> our network.

On the machine that you want to act as your local network's time server:

server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
server 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
server 2.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst

And make sure you didn't change the lines under the comment that says
"By default, exchange time with everybody, but don't allow configuration."

On your other machines:

server your.time.server

That's basically it.  Make sure the hostname is resolvable.  If you have
issues with name resolution not being available sometimes, then you might
want to add your.time.server to /etc/hosts.

To verify that things are running, use ntpq -p:

svr5:~$ ntpq -p
 remote   refid  st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
==
-104.245.32.240  162.213.2.2532 u  776 1024  377   80.415   -8.341   0.239
*clocka.ntpjs.or 18.26.4.105  2 u  250 1024  3779.7800.361   0.556
+up2.com 195.219.14.212 u  490 1024  377   31.761   -1.224   0.474
+jarvis.arlen.io 17.253.2.253 2 u  477 1024  377   36.764   -2.368   4.547

And that's why you use multiple public time servers -- they aren't very
accurate, so you need lots of them.  The daemon can decide which ones
to ignore, and so on.

The output of this -p thing is not documented, so you have to guess what
it means.  I think the "-" in column 1 means "this server sucks, so I'm
not really paying attention to it", and "+" means "pretty good", and "*"
means "this is my favorite".  But that's just a guess.  There's nothing
in the ntpq man page about it at all.

Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 10:35:23AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 07 June 2017 08:56:59 ray wrote:


I would like to know the correct syntax for entering a server entry
for stretch.

All the documentation I find says to list the ntp servers in the file
as: server 0.XX.pool.ntp.org
server 1.XX.pool.ntp.org

An example source from 2017 is https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime

When I open /etc/ntp.conf on my new stretch installation, I find this
format: pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst

The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.

Are these interchangeable?


As I understand it "server" will do name resolution once and pick an IP
from the result. "pool" will periodically refresh the name and cycle to
a different member of the pool.



Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in
the Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm


Did you install ntp-doc? Did you check there?




Thanks,
Ray


Begin rant:

From someone who is currently battling a fresh jessie install that didn't
even come with ntpdate installed, and which using the above format
in /etc/ntp.conf is still about 12 hours off on an rpi-3.

Installing ntpdate and attempting to start it gets me a no servers found
message, yet they are defined as discussed above, and the network is
fully accessible to all other forms of communication.

That doc on www.ntp.org is nice, but worthless to someone who just wants
it to work. I have quite a zoo of machines here, and I see little
advantage to each one banging on a network server, when it needs an
update.  But does it give even a hint of how to make this machine, or
heaven forbid, my router, which keeps time via ntp, and which I believe
has the time broadcast enabled, (its dd-wrt in a buffalo box) into a
server that the rest of my machines can listen to to get the correct
time. If I could achieve that, it would reduce the loading on the time
servers at debian or pool.ntp.org by a factor of 5 or 6 just from my
home network.


By a factor of 5 or 6? You think you own 5 or 6 times more servers than
everyone else combined? (I think you just mean "reduce [...] by 5 or
6").

Does your router inform other devices on the network that it should be
used as a time server? In the DHCP specification there is an option
called "time-servers". The idea is that a network administrator sets
this to be the approved time servers for the network and clients
synchronise to that. In debian, this is facilitated by
/etc/dchp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ntp (at least, if you use the ISC DHCP
client). That script will read the "time-servers" option from the DHCP
packet, write /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp and ensure that file is
included from your main ntp.conf. As far as I'm aware, this is default
behaviour.



But a manpage that actually tells us how to do that must be sick bird,
because its not been written yet.  Man page writers please get real, and
tell us how to do something like getting our home networks all
synchronized to our routers which can then broadcast it to the rest of
our network.


There's an XY problem here. You probably shouldn't put this information
into the NTP man pages, as it's not NTP that's doing the work. The
information about the "time-servers" option *is* in the DHCP manpage,
but probably there's no information about the specific hook being
included.

If the NTP hook is Debian-specific, then... I don't know where that
should be documented. If it's upstream, then... Well, if every project
documented every decision for creating every file, then there'd be a lot
to wade through.



Such a scheme can easily keep us on time with any errors within a few
milliseconds, more than adequate enough for the girls I go with. While
reducing the load on the servers by at least 80%.

So how about a manpage that tells us how to do that?  If its not illegal
according to some rfc that is.

Rant off.

Thanks for reading.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 



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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Kushal Kumaran]

ray  writes:

> I would like to know the correct syntax for entering a server entry for 
> stretch.
>
> All the documentation I find says to list the ntp servers in the file as:
> server 0.XX.pool.ntp.org 
> server 1.XX.pool.ntp.org 
>
> An example source from 2017 is https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime
>
> When I open /etc/ntp.conf on my new stretch installation, I find this format:
> pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
> pool 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
>
> The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
> The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.
>
> Are these interchangeable?
>

No.  A server entry will setup a single NTP server.  A pool entry can
setup several.  You can experiment by configuring a single pool and then
looking at how may peers are reported by ntpq -c peers.  I don't know
the details of how it works, but I'm guessing "server" looks up IPs for
hostname and uses only one of those (like typical uses of hostname),
while "pool" looks up IPs and uses all of them.

> Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in the 
> Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ray

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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 07 June 2017 09:27:19 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 05:56:59AM -0700, ray wrote:
> > The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
> > The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.
> >
> > Are these interchangeable?
> >
> > Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in
> > the Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm
>
> For whatever it's worth, "iburst" is in ntp.conf(5) but "pool" is not.

pool is normally a round robin server setup where any machine in 
the "pool" of machines can answer the query.  Its part of the net 
address, not a keyword to ntp(date). If you ping -c1 pool.ntp.org, 
you'll see the machines address that answered that ping, but you may not 
get a reply from that same machine the next time you ping it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 07 June 2017 08:56:59 ray wrote:

> I would like to know the correct syntax for entering a server entry
> for stretch.
>
> All the documentation I find says to list the ntp servers in the file
> as: server 0.XX.pool.ntp.org
> server 1.XX.pool.ntp.org
>
> An example source from 2017 is https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime
>
> When I open /etc/ntp.conf on my new stretch installation, I find this
> format: pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
> pool 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
>
> The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
> The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.
>
> Are these interchangeable?
>
> Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in
> the Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ray

Begin rant:

From someone who is currently battling a fresh jessie install that didn't 
even come with ntpdate installed, and which using the above format 
in /etc/ntp.conf is still about 12 hours off on an rpi-3.

Installing ntpdate and attempting to start it gets me a no servers found 
message, yet they are defined as discussed above, and the network is 
fully accessible to all other forms of communication.  

That doc on www.ntp.org is nice, but worthless to someone who just wants 
it to work. I have quite a zoo of machines here, and I see little 
advantage to each one banging on a network server, when it needs an 
update.  But does it give even a hint of how to make this machine, or 
heaven forbid, my router, which keeps time via ntp, and which I believe 
has the time broadcast enabled, (its dd-wrt in a buffalo box) into a 
server that the rest of my machines can listen to to get the correct 
time. If I could achieve that, it would reduce the loading on the time 
servers at debian or pool.ntp.org by a factor of 5 or 6 just from my 
home network.

But a manpage that actually tells us how to do that must be sick bird, 
because its not been written yet.  Man page writers please get real, and 
tell us how to do something like getting our home networks all 
synchronized to our routers which can then broadcast it to the rest of 
our network.

Such a scheme can easily keep us on time with any errors within a few 
milliseconds, more than adequate enough for the girls I go with. While 
reducing the load on the servers by at least 80%.

So how about a manpage that tells us how to do that?  If its not illegal 
according to some rfc that is.

Rant off.

Thanks for reading.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: OT: Thunderbird ultima versión

[Eduardo Rios]

El 06/06/17 a las 21:23, Marcelo Giordano escribió:

Hola amigos.
Resulta que tengo mi Thunderbird en la versión 45.8 cuando según la 
página web ya estan lanzando la versión 52.

Para actualizarlo me fui a mis respositorios y agregue estas líneas
deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-release
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free

hice apt update y apt upgrade y nada

también probé con
apt-get -t jessie-backports install thunderbird
y me dice que tengo la última versión
Donde puede estar el error?
Desde ya muy agradecido con la ayuda que me brinden


Yo he actualizado thunderbird desde la versión 45.8 a la versión 52.1.1 
en Debian testing. Está disponible en la rama experimental.


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Re: Re: Instalar moden huawei E173 en Debian 8

[Marioca]

Solucione de la siguiente manera: en la configuración de la conexión en la
pestaña Banda Ancha Móvil debes poner el nombre de usuario y contraseña de
la proveedora, en mi caso usu=vox, pass=vox.-

El 6 de junio de 2017, 19:20, José A. González  escribió:

> Hola,
> Estoy en la misma situación con el modem huawei E173 en Debian.
> También con COPACO py.
> Con lsusb compruebo que reconoce el equipo
>
> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
> E1552/E1800/E173 (HSPA modem)
>
> y he añadido la siguiente línea a /etc/modules
> usbserial vendor=0x12d1 product=0x1444
>
> Luego he reiniciado el sistema y voy a las opciones de red pero no me
> aparece la opción de configurar la conexión con el módem. Me aparecen
> las opciones de Inalámbrica, Cableada y Proxy.
>
> Supongo que me falta instalar algún paquete para hacerlo funcionar, pero
> no lo encuentro. La unidad no me aparece en el administrador de archivos
> para poder ver si viene el software ya en el usb.
>
> Gracias.
>
>


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watchdog did not stop (on rebooting)

[RavenLX]

I was trying to find a way to fix this warning on my Thinkpad. I have 
found out that it is normal for this to happen and can safely be ignored.


Reference links:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=153205

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/249654/message-at-shutdown-watchdog-did-not-stop

However, if I set reboot-acpi AND irqpoll (in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in 
/etc/default/grub) on a ThinkPad T61 (my computer), I get this error:


"CPU pipe B FIFO underrun"

So naturally I don't set reboot-acpi! :) (I was experimenting in trying 
to get rid of the watchdog warnings but gave up as it seems harmless and 
won't go away anyway).


Just thought I'd share this in case others run into these things.

Re: NTP.conf pool vs server

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 05:56:59AM -0700, ray wrote:
> The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
> The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.
> 
> Are these interchangeable?
> 
> Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in the 
> Debian docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm

For whatever it's worth, "iburst" is in ntp.conf(5) but "pool" is not.

How To Fix: Firewire IRQ Errors on Reboot

[RavenLX]

I would like to share another discovery. This one fixed my firewire IRQ 
errors when rebooting my ThinkPad T61.


(Not-So-Obligatory) Disclaimer:
---

While, I do not notice any change in overall functionality of the laptop 
as a result of this fix, I also do not know what the referenced setting 
is really used for. Do this at your own risk! I hold no responsibility 
for the outcome!


System:
---

IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T61 Laptop
* This may (or may not) work on other ThinkPad Laptops.

Debian 9 (Stretch) RC4
4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.25-1 (2017-05-02)

Problem Description:


I came across the following errors whenever rebooting:

irq 17: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option
handlers:
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Re: HP CP1215 - CUPS not printing from Stretch to Jessie server.

[Brian]

On Tue 06 Jun 2017 at 18:44:55 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

> On 05/06/17 10:03 AM, Brian wrote:
> >On Sun 04 Jun 2017 at 20:37:38 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

[cups-browsed experiences snipped].

> >>Except that it doesn't seem to work that way. It's just the CP1215 that
> >>needs to be set explicitly to raw. The other printers don't work when I set
> >>their driver to raw. I need to use the driver.
> >
> >You apparently can print a simple text file directly from the server wih
> >lp so the scheduler should handle the same file in the same way when it
> >is printed from a raw queue on a client. The origin of the file
> >effectively plays no part in whether it gets printed. You will have to
> >look at the error_logs on client and server to determine why this
> >doesn't work for you.
>
> No. I can print any file that lp can handle. I usually ended up creating a
> PDF, ssh to the server and use lp to print it.
> 
> The error logs on the client simply say "filter failed" while I've posted
> the error log from the server.

Recapitulating. You have CP1215 queues on client and server both set up
with a PPD.

 lp -d  -o raw 

gets printed but

 lp-d  

doesn't. This is expected behaviour; anyone would be happy with that and
it is what happens here. The principal issue submitted in the first post
is solved. :)

Given correctly set up queues for the C410 on server and client the two
systems would handle a submitted file in the same way. The nature of the
printer is immaterial, it is the correctness of the queues which matters.

'lp -d  -o raw ' does not print for you. It prints for
me with ipp://... and dnssd://... URIs.

Moving on:

1. Produce error_logs on client and server when printing with
   'lp -d  -o raw /etc/nsswitch'. The wiki will
   guide you on getting the smallest possible error files.

2. The logs compress to a tenth of their sizes with gzip or xz.

3. Attach the compressed logs to your next post to the list.

4. Install avahi-utils. Run 'avahi-browse -art > avahi.log' and
   also attach the compressed avahi.log.
 
> >>That makes no sense. CUPS knows it's sending something to a remote queue (
> >>DNSSD: ) so it should be able figure out that it shouldn't do double
> >>filtering. I don't care where the filtering gets done but it should be done
> >>properly.
> >
> >You will have read what upstream CUPS has to say in the link you were
> >given, Any disagreement you have would be better taken up upstream.
> >
> >  https://github.com/apple/cups/issues
>
> The link is to open issues. Was there one in particular you are referring
> to?

The suggestion was to submit an issue based on "That makes no sense...".

> >I set up a C410 queue on a Jessie machine:

[Procedure and log snipped].

> >Printing to sam410remote2 doesn't work. I get the same expected outcomes
> >when the queues are set up via the web interface and for CP1215 queues.
> >No lack of consistency here.
> >
> As they say, your mileage may vary. That's not what's happening from my
> client. However you seem to be specifying ipp: when on the Stretch client
> clicking on the Add Printer button sets the queues up using dnssd:. e.g. 
> dnssd://HP%20Color%20LaserJet%20CP1215%20%40%20TheLibrarian._ipp._tcp.local/cups?uuid=5952871b-80d3-3c14-5ce9-bc344963dae6

I gave details of my procedure so that treading in my footsteps was
possible and could be reported on with evidence. Either URI should work.
There is nothing magical about dnssd://... and it actually invokes the
ipp backend. I did use dnssd://... from the CUPS web server to set up a
queue.

> However I note that after a while the connection changes to be reported as
> implicitclass:. e.g. implicitclass:Samsung_C410_Series. I'm not sure what
> triggers that.

The reported URI seen depends on the utility which is used to view it.
implicitclass: is a cups-browsed thing. It is not germane to the problem
at hand. Considering you are not using cups-browsed you could purge it
from the client. (The server makes no use of it, so it could be removed
from there too).

-- 
Brian.
 

NTP.conf pool vs server

[ray]

I would like to know the correct syntax for entering a server entry for stretch.

All the documentation I find says to list the ntp servers in the file as:
server 0.XX.pool.ntp.org 
server 1.XX.pool.ntp.org 

An example source from 2017 is https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime

When I open /etc/ntp.conf on my new stretch installation, I find this format:
pool 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
pool 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst

The latest Debian doc says to start the line with 'server'.
The latest Debian implementation starts the line with 'pool'.

Are these interchangeable?

Additionally, there is a parameter 'iburst' which I did not find in the Debian 
docs but found at http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.1/confopt.htm


Thanks,
Ray

How to Fix: tpm0 Errors on Boot (Stretch)

[RavenLX]

I thought I'd share a discovery with you guys in case anyone here 
happens to try using Stretch on a ThinkPad laptop. I have installed 
Stretch on mine and am testing things out. I don't know if this would 
resolve things on other computers, but maybe it might help in at least 
diagnosing some boot errors? What I have here is a fix for tpm0 errors 
on boot.


(Not-So-Obligatory) Disclaimer:
---

While, I do not notice any change in overall functionality of the laptop 
as a result of this fix, I also do not know what the referenced setting 
is really used for. Do this at your own risk! I hold no responsibility 
for the outcome!


System:
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IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T61 Laptop
* This may (or may not) work on other ThinkPad Laptops.

Debian 9 (Stretch) RC4
4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.25-1 (2017-05-02)

Problem Description:


I came across the following errors whenever it would boot or reboot:

tpm tpm0: Unable to read burstcount
tpm tpm0: tpm_transmit: tpm_send: error -16
tpm_tis 00:05: Could not get TPM timeouts and durations

There was no file at /sys/class/misc/tmp0/device/timeout.

How To Fix:
---

So, I did a little research and found that it is due to a Security Chip 
not being detected. The fix (for me at least) was to disable it entirely 
in the BIOS. Once done, there will no longer be those errors on bootup.


To Disable the Security Chip in Bios (ThinkPad T61 and probably other 
ThinkPads):


1. Press the blue ThinkVantage button shortly after rebooting or turning 
on th emachine (It usually says that at the Thinkpad startup screen. 
Though on some machines it may be ESC or a function key).


2. Press F1 (or whatever function key is used to enter the BIOS Setup).

3. Go to: Security - Security Chip

4. Press ENTER. Choose “Disabled”.

5. Press ESC until you leave the BIOS.

Now whenever you boot the laptop, you should no longer see the "tpm" errors.

Re: Quel paquet pour la sortie de veille ?

[Eric Degenetais]

Bonne question, avant investigation c'est assez difficile à savoir.
Certains défauts sont liés au kernel, d'autres au userland. Si ça
m'arrivait je pense que je commencerais par l'attribuer au serveur
graphique, en laissant les mainteneurs ré-affecter le Bug si besoin est.

Le 7 juin 2017 11:24 AM, "Sylvio DESJARDINS" 
a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,

Voici ma configuration :

Pc portable : EEEPC 1005HA
Système : Debian testing
Bureau : LXDE

J'aimerai remonter un bug impactant le curseur de souris et le bureau lui
même à la sortie de veille par une touche du clavier (je n'ai pas encore
testé l'hibernation).
Quel est le paquet responsable de cette sortie de veille svp?

Cordialement,
Sylvio
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Re: Automatic updating links?

[Darac Marjal]

On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 07:15:25PM +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

Greg Wooledge  writes:


On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 06:41:03PM +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

But, I
also need that, when renaming the target file, the link would automatically
change its name so that it keeps equal to the target's name...  Is this
possibile?


No.  Not without exhaustively searching the file system to find the
other links and rename them, and that would have to be something you
do manually, *not* automatically triggered by a rename.

What are you actually trying to do?


I'm making a musical mp3s library.  So I have, say, the following directory
tree:

+ musical-library
 |
 + genres
 | |
 | + classical
 | |
 | + pop
 | |
 | + folk
 | |
 | + opera: una.furtiva.lacrima-schipa.mp3
 |
 |  casta.diva-callas.mp3
 |
 + artists
   |
   + tito-schipa
   |
   + maria-callas
   |
   + frank-sinatra

etc.  Now, suppose that I want to put una.furtiva.lacrima-schipa.mp3 *also* in
the tito-schipa directory, and casta.diva-callas.mp3 *also* in the maria-callas
directory...  That's what I'm trying to do...


I've wanted to do something like that in the past, myself. The solution
I was considering (though I never actually got around to implementing
it) was a FUSE-based filesystem. The idea would be that files would be
stored in, say, a hidden, top-level directory and their ID3 tags
scanned. The filesystem would then make the files available in, say
"by-genre", "by-artist", "by-title", "by-album" and so on folders.
Possibly with the ability to have multiple layers so you can get 
"by-artist/Queen/by-album/Greatest Hits II/*.mp3"


In other words, listing a directory would provide a live filtering of
that available files, depending on the directory name. In an ideal
world, changing the filename/path would alter the ID3 tags and vice
versa.


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Quel paquet pour la sortie de veille ?

[Sylvio DESJARDINS]

Bonjour à tous,

Voici ma configuration :

Pc portable : EEEPC 1005HA
Système : Debian testing
Bureau : LXDE

J'aimerai remonter un bug impactant le curseur de souris et le bureau lui même 
à la sortie de veille par une touche du clavier (je n'ai pas encore testé 
l'hibernation).
Quel est le paquet responsable de cette sortie de veille svp?

Cordialement,
Sylvio
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Re: Choose between amd64 and i386

[Michael Lange]

On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:33:01 +0100
Rodolfo Medina  wrote:

> > 
> 
> Same problem also with this iso image: at the beginning the machine
> seems to boot into the Debian Installer menu, but when I enter it the
> screen becomes unreadable and all sticks and I have to restart the
> machine.

Just a shot in the dark:
maybe some firmware is missing or maybe the jessie kernel is too old,
some current driver version missing for your machine? Maybe you might
want to try a similar stretch installer version from

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc4/multi-arch/iso-cd/

Regards

Michael

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greater than the sum of both of us.
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Re: Choose between amd64 and i386

[Michael Lange]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 16:59:37 +0100
Steve McIntyre  wrote:

> We've supported the wacky "64-bit platform, 32-bit UEFI" devices
> (e.g. Bay Trail) ever since the first Jessie release. If you grab a
> multi-arch netinst or DVD image, it will boot via 32-bit but let you
> start a 64-bit installation and *also* will detect the 32-bit platform
> and install the correct version of grub.

Thanks for the information, I did some reading beforehand back then and
it was mentioned nowhere (at least nowhere I looked :) that the debian
netinst installer is actually that smart, I could have tried to attach an
usb hub and attach an usb wifi adapter for the installation if I had
known. 

Regards

Michael


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the love of life is the greatest gift ... We are incapable of
destroying or interfering with the creation of that which we love so
deeply -- life in every form from fetus to developed being.
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Re: Choose between amd64 and i386

[Rodolfo Medina]

Pascal Hambourg  writes:

> Le 06/06/2017 à 19:58, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>> Steve McIntyre  writes:
>>
>>> We've supported the wacky "64-bit platform, 32-bit UEFI" devices
>>> (e.g. Bay Trail) ever since the first Jessie release. If you grab a
>>> multi-arch netinst or DVD image, it will boot via 32-bit but let you
>>> start a 64-bit installation and *also* will detect the 32-bit platform
>>> and install the correct version of grub.
>>
>> Some months ago I tried many times to install Debian on my Debian Acer One
>> (tablet and laptop together) but always failed.  I used
>> debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso.  Now we have debian-8.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
>> Are you suggesting a different iso file?
>
> 

Same problem also with this iso image: at the beginning the machine seems to
boot into the Debian Installer menu, but when I enter it the screen becomes
unreadable and all sticks and I have to restart the machine.

Rodolfo

Re: switching flavors

[SDA]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 08:57:40AM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 04:55:01PM -0400, SDA wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 06:44:10PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:20:51 -0400
> > > SDA  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
> > > > > Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep
> > > > > the things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I  changed the repo to unstable
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then I did:
> > > > > 
> > > > > apt-get update
> > > > > 
> > > > > apt-get upgrade
> > > > > 
> > > > > That was it.  
> > > > 
> > > > Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's
> > > > 'apt full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure
> > > > what the eqivalent command is in apt-get.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Other way around, aptitude is safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, it's
> > > apt-get which has upgrade and dist-upgrade. apt mixes the two, with
> > > upgrade and full-upgrade.
> > 
> > Not unless it was changed in aptitude just recently, (I've used it for 
> > years 
> > prior). Aptitude has 'safe-upgrade' yes, but it also has 'upgrade' and 
> > 'dist-upgrade'. So 3 options.
> > 
> 
> >From the man page for aptitude, search for dist-upgrade, in the section 
> on full-upgrade -- "This command was originally named dist-upgrade for 
> historical reasons, and aptitude still recognises dist-upgrade as a 
> synonym for full-upgrade."
> 
> The man page does not acknowledge just upgrade as a command. According 
> to the man page, the two options are safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, but 
> I can testify that upgrade still works (and I _think_ does a 
> safe-upgrade).

Ah I see. Thanks Mark, it's been sometime since I've used Aptitude for 
managing my packages.

Re: Oh no! Something has gone wrong

[Sergei G]

I just completed installation of stretch and I can confirm that Debian 
works with my hardware configuration!


So, Debian Stretch supports my hardware Kaby Lake (G4560 CPU) gfx based 
on B250M Intel chipset.


I am looking forward to official stretch release.


On 6/4/2017 12:57 AM, Sergei G wrote:

Thank you

You have answered my question perfectly.

Is stretch going to give me trouble?


On 6/4/2017 12:55 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

Sergei G composed on 2017-06-04 00:31 (UTC-0700):

I am trying to run Debian 8.8 under current version 5.1.22 of 
VirtualBox

on Windows 10 and I am getting
  Oh no! Something has gone wrong
error message.  I went down to simplest level of running Debian Gnome
Live disk and I am still getting this error.
I tried a few display settings (128MB of video memory, 
enable/disable 3D

acceleration) without success.
I know had the same issue when I tried to install live Debian on my new
hardware directly:
Intel Pentium G4560 CPU on Gigabyte B250M-D3H motherboard.  I suspect
that CPU built-in video is not supported.  I resolved the issue on the
hardware by using a video card that I know works with Linux.

Do you have a question?

Your suspicion is correct. Kaby Lake (G4560) gfx is not supported on 
8.8. It's
much too new. If you wish to use your Kaby Lake gfx, either install 
Stretch
instead of Jessie, or upgrade Jessie's kernel to one that supports 
Kaby Lake (4.9).


Your subject error message is a standard/common Gnome error that 
results from
trying to use gfx that has insufficient Xorg driver and/or hardware 
support.

Re: Encrypted RAID1 for storage with Debian Jessie

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:41:30PM +, commentsab...@riseup.net wrote:
> I'm a complete noob when it comes to this kind of operations, so, sorry for
> the dumb question : following tv.debian@'s advises, I purchased a cheap SSD
> and installed my system on it (the SSD, and one pair of HDD are plugged in).
> From there on, how should I proceed ?

What is your goal? Exactly what setup do you have now?

You are not making it easy for people to help you as your email does
not thread back to whatever you were discussing before. So I'm
afraid you'll have to remind us.

If you're just looking to set up software RAID with encryption, all
of that can be done from the Debian installer.

Cheers,
Andy

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