Re: Can't scan new disk

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 17.02.2019 1:21, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 2/16/19 2:41 AM, Curt wrote:
>> On 2019-02-15, Mark Allums  wrote:
>>> I just bought a new backup disk, and I want to check it. It's
>>> mounted in
>>> a USB dock.
>>>
>>> Running the following gives an error:
>>>
>>> root@martha:~# umount /dev/sdb1
>>> root@martha:~# e2fsck -c -c -C 0 -f -F -k -p /dev/sdb1
>>> /dev/sdb1 is in use.
>>> e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
>>>
>>> What's causing this and how do I fix it?  It's not MATE; I tried
>>> rebooting to rescue mode, but that didn't help.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>
>> People sometimes recommend 'fuser' in cases like these in order to
>> identify processes that might be accessing the drive.
>>
>> I mean, the message says '/dev/sdb1 is in use.' Perhaps it is indeed.
>>
>>   fuser -v -m /dev/sdb1
>>
>> Worth a try, maybe, as no one else seems to have suggested it.
>
> root@martha:~# fuser -v -m /dev/sdb1
> root@martha:~#
>
> No results.  Thanks.
>
> Mark
>
Maybe something simple like "lsof" command can shed some light on this
problem?
    $ sudo lsof /dev/sdb
    $ sudo lsof /dev/sdb1

Also show us an output of "gdisk" command:
    $ sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdb

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Re: [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

> Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
> Claws-Mail as MUA.

i agree with you Reco^^^
my Gnus also tell me the man is GMail user using Claws-Mail as MUA,,,

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Re: Please Recommend Affordable and Reliable Cloud Storage for 50 TB of Data

[Celejar]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 10:37:54 - (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

> On 2019-02-17, Celejar  wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:52:55 - (UTC)
> > Curt  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2019-02-15, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming  
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Basically personal data. I don't intend to access the data in the
> >> > Cloud often. Just want to park it permanently in the Cloud. Maybe I
> >> > can access the Cloud from anywhere in the world?
> >> >
> >> 
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Glacier
> >
> > Depending on how often / how fast the storage will need to be accessed,
> > C14 can be cheaper:
> >
> > https://www.online.net/en/c14#pricing
> 
> Amazon also fills the enterprise-unlikely-to-fold-in-the-foreseeable-
> future" reliability criterion. I'm uncertain about c14 in this regard
> (though a "deep underground fallout shelter located in Paris, France.
> Without known natural, technological, and military risks..." sounds
> quite reassuring, especially if you're a French civil servant).
> 
> One worrisome aspect is the "Sustainability Guarantee" (whatever that
> might be) for a "Standard" service level is merely 3-6 years, which is
> quite this side of forever. 

Fair points, certainly, but note that Online.net is a major internet
company, albeit not an Amazon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_SAS

> It also appears that once your data is uploaded to a "safe-deposit box"
> (limited to 40TB in size) via the rsync, ftp, sftp, or scp protocols, it
> is permanently archived. But you only have 7 days to effectuate that
> upload. How many TBs of data the OP could transfer over his link in a
> week remains to be evaluated, but it seems unarchiving an existing
> archive to add more data, or creating a new one, are both operations
> subject to a fee.

Agreed.

> BTW, what about these Canadians (histoire de couper la poire en deux, so
> to speak)?
> 
> https://www.sync.com/pricing/
> 
> Business Advanced
> 
>  For multiple users
>  $15per user, per month
>  billed annually
>  2-user minimum
> 
>  All the secure file storage you need (up to 10 TB per user), with
>  advanced sharing, collaboration, admin controls and live support.
> 
> That comes out to $75.00 a month for 50TB (five users).
> Sounds pretty good from here.

Looks interesting - do they support standard protocols, or is their
proprietary client required?

Celejar

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading.

Gnus works very well with both NNTP/SMTP,,,

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Re: Can't scan new disk

[Mark Allums]

Seagate IronWolf Pro 12 TB
Buster, Orico USB 3.0 Dock


Running the following gives an error:

root@martha:~# umount /dev/sdb1
root@martha:~# e2fsck -c -c -C 0 -f -F -k -p /dev/sdb1
/dev/sdb1 is in use.
e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.



Does e2fsck work when the drive is connected to an internal SATA port?


Hasn't been tried, as I was not aware there was a difference between 
USB SATA and internal SATA. 




The idea is to devise a process of elimination to see if the problem is 
the drive, the USB dock, Debian, etc..


1.  Try another drive using that dock and Debian.


8 GB seagate drive, same error.



2.  Try another connection using that drive and Debian.


Tried different dock, rated for 12 TB.  Same result.

Used gparted to delete the original partition, create a new one.  The 
following ensued:



GParted 0.32.0 --enable-libparted-dmraid --enable-online-resize

Libparted 3.2
Create Primary Partition #1 (ext4, 10.91 TiB) on /dev/sdb  00:00:00( 
ERROR )


create empty partition  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

path: /dev/sdb1 (partition)
start: 2048
end: 23437768703
size: 23437766656 (10.91 TiB)
clear old file system signatures in /dev/sdb1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

write 512.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 0  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 67108864  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 274877906944  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
write 512.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 12000136003584  00:00:00( 
SUCCESS )
write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 12000136462336  00:00:00( 
SUCCESS )
write 8.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 12000136519680  00:00:00( 
SUCCESS )

flush operating system cache of /dev/sdb  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
set partition type on /dev/sdb1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

new partition type: ext4
create new ext4 file system  00:00:00( ERROR )

mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '' '/dev/sdb1'  00:00:00( ERROR )

mke2fs 1.44.5 (15-Dec-2018)
/dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem 
here!






3.  Try another OS using that drive and dock.



Win 10 with 2nd dock worked fine.  Not hard drive.  Not dock(s).  Seems 
to be Debian.  Systemd?


Mark

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 17:30:48 +0100
Siard  wrote:

> Patrick Bartek:
> > Juan R. de Silva:  
> > > Patrick Bartek:  
> > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.  
> > >
> > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?  
> > 
> > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
> > to recieve the list via email is subscribe.  
> 
> Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> gmane.linux.debian.user.
> 

No. Use gmail IMAP'd.  Receive emails directly from Debian mail list
server.  I don't even have NNTP set up anywhere on this system.  Or
even enabled on claws-mail.

How are you receiving your Debian mail list emails?  If you're getting
them from a NNTP newsgroup service, I would expect the headers to be
newsgroup related.

B

Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[roger . tarani]

- Original Message -
> From: "Pierre Malard" 
> To: "Liste Debian" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:43:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Ici nous avons créé un serveur de messagerie  pour nos utilisateurs
> (env 150)
> basé sur un serveur Debian avec Postfix/Dovecot/LDAP/Amavis/… Il
> tourne depuis
> plus de 10 ans.
> 
> Autant il est vrai que son déploiement est lourd du fait de
> l’installation de
> nombreux mécanismes interconnectés, d’où l’utilité de doc complètes.
> Mais une
> fois bien compris ce qu’est un système de messagerie, on se rend vite
> compte
> que ces outils sont remarquablement bien écrit et solides. Ici, j’ai
> monté le
> serveur par niveau (un simple serveur SMTP sur des comptes locaux,
> l’interconnexion
> à une base LDAP, le filtrage, … la gestion multi-domaine, car j’en
> avais le
> temps ;-) C’est très formateur.
> 
> Par contre, en ce qui concerne la maintenance, c’est presque le
> paradis !
> Très honnêtement, un simple serveur HTTP nous donne bien plus de
> soucis récurrents.
> Ici, les protocoles sont solides (pas de PHP par exemple), les RFC
> respectées
> et les remontées d’alertes assez simples à gérer. Donc je m’inscris
> en faux
> à propos de … l’enfer.
> 

Bonjour
C'est très encourageant.
Quel temps a-t-il fallu pour construire ça ?
Et avec quelle documentation ?

Il y aurait aussi un problème qui peut s'avérer très ennuyeux : se faire 
blacklister son domaine à cause de spams.
Quelle est la vérité à ce sujet ? (sans promesse vague, la main sur le coeur... 
;-)  )

Merci

> Après, c’est une décision personnelle. Soit on souhaite conserver un
> œil, son
> indépendance, les outils de filtrage et la politique de sécurisation
> et protection
> de données; savoir ce qu’on fait du contenu des messages… ce que nous
> ne garanti
> aucun des prestataires dus marché … à part en vague promesses « la
> main sur le
> cœur »...
> 
> > Le 17 févr. 2019 à 12:44, roger.tar...@free.fr a écrit :
> > 
> > Bonjour
> > Je n'ai pas assez d'expertise pour répondre à cette question.
> > 
> > Mais j'aimerais bien savoir si c'est réaliste de monter un serveur
> > de messagerie qui soit fiable et qui fonctionne sans devenir un
> > enfer en maintenance ?
> > 
> > C'est très facile de créer une compte chez un fournisseur, mais ça
> > ne donne pas beaucoup de contrôle.
> > 
> > Et on peut perdre ses messages si on n'utilise pas assez
> > fréquemment sa messagerie (chez Free : six mois, je crois)
> > 
> > Combien de temps faut-il pour monter un serveur de messagerie ?
> > 
> > Si vos commentaires (réalistes) sont encourageants, je me lancerais
> > un prochain we.
> > 
> > Merci
> > 
> 
> --
> Pierre Malard
> 
>« Si, comme le disait le général de Gaulle, la France n'avait pas
>été la
>France... on peut logiquement penser que tous les français
>auraient été
>des étrangers » ;-)
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>  Pierre
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Re: web problem [solved]

[ghe]

On 2/17/19 12:45 PM, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

> By default "traceroute" command uses 0ms delay between requests. For the
> majority of ISPs this behavior is considered as flood and will be
> rate-limited (dropped).
> You have to use "sendwait" parameter set to at least 1 (second), to
> gather reliable information with "traceroute" command.

Didn't know that. Traceroute does seem somewhat more civilized with a
'-z 1' option. Useful knowledge. Thanks...

> For the situation you described the most possible cause is a packet loss
> on top of a "generous" T1 connection.

According to the ISP, the problem was a mildly misconfigured router
somewhere in Denver, CO. Seems to be all better now.

> The tcp/ip protocol is stateful by nature (it cares about packets
> consistency and reliability of send-receive operations), so if some
> packets got lost or become corrupted during send-receive exchange they
> have to be send again. 

Yeah, I know. But it wasn't a matter of resending on error, it was that
the SSL handshake was taking longer than their web server considered
reasonable, so it quit waiting.

The Internet isn't as patient now as it was back in the dialup days.
Good thing, too, or I'd never have seen that there was a problem.

Thanks, list, for the replies to a confused admin :-)

-- 
Glenn English

Re: web problem

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 17.02.2019 1:52, ghe wrote:
> Buster, Firefox 60.5.0esr, T1 connection
>
> It seems...
>
> ...that the SSL/TLS handshake is taking too long -- at most sites.
> Google, Debian, Cisco, Amazon and some others work fine. DuckDuckGo does
> not. The Python docs at New Mexico Tech doesn't.
>
> SMTP and SSH bidirectional and FTP from my server are OK.
>
> Firefox, and other browsers, time out.
>
> The web server in the next room is great on http, but there's a home
> made cert for https, and Firefox times out trying to get to the https at
> Mozilla so I can tell it it's OK. So I can't check my site's SSL handshake.
If you can access your http server via private ip (e.g. 192.168.0.10)
and use VHosts, you can test https connections to it by editing your
"/etc/hosts" file and adding:
    192.168.0.10    www.myservername.com
By doing this you will trick your browser to access your site by fqdn
"www.myservername.com" but with private ip.
After testing just revert changes back.
>
> When I ping something (default 1 sec TTL) for a long time on the T1,
> there are a few 'holes.' I've never seen that before. Traceroute also
> has holes, but that's to be expected, and it finishes eventually.
By default "traceroute" command uses 0ms delay between requests. For the
majority of ISPs this behavior is considered as flood and will be
rate-limited (dropped).
You have to use "sendwait" parameter set to at least 1 (second), to
gather reliable information with "traceroute" command.
>
> 'telnet  25|80|443' seems to be OK. So does a reasonable ping.
>
> The T1 has been solid as a rock for years. It happens with all the boxes
> around the apartment. When I use one of the WiFi nets (2) here, they
> work fine.
>
> It's just that SSL handshake. It's possible that there are holes in the
> TCP (I assume) handshake?
>
> Anybody experienced this? Or know what I can do about it?
>
For the situation you described the most possible cause is a packet loss
on top of a "generous" T1 connection.
The tcp/ip protocol is stateful by nature (it cares about packets
consistency and reliability of send-receive operations), so if some
packets got lost or become corrupted during send-receive exchange they
have to be send again. Eventually all data will be sent and delivered,
but at the cost of time.
To diagnose this problem you have to check the whole chain from your
PC's network adapter and cables (or air in case of wireless connection
:) ), your network switches, routers, firewalls and after that talk to
your ISP about this problem, because they can see if there is a problem
with their ISDN network, or if these problems coming from another ISP up
the chain all the way to the final host you have problem with.

A simple way to check if your network has problems is by using "iperf3"
program. It helps to saturate the connection between 2 hosts and check
for possible packet loss (column called "Retr" should be 0 at all times).

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Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[Pierre Malard]

Bonjour,

Ici nous avons créé un serveur de messagerie  pour nos utilisateurs (env 150)
basé sur un serveur Debian avec Postfix/Dovecot/LDAP/Amavis/… Il tourne depuis
plus de 10 ans.

Autant il est vrai que son déploiement est lourd du fait de l’installation de
nombreux mécanismes interconnectés, d’où l’utilité de doc complètes. Mais une
fois bien compris ce qu’est un système de messagerie, on se rend vite compte
que ces outils sont remarquablement bien écrit et solides. Ici, j’ai monté le
serveur par niveau (un simple serveur SMTP sur des comptes locaux, 
l’interconnexion
à une base LDAP, le filtrage, … la gestion multi-domaine, car j’en avais le
temps ;-) C’est très formateur.

Par contre, en ce qui concerne la maintenance, c’est presque le paradis !
Très honnêtement, un simple serveur HTTP nous donne bien plus de soucis 
récurrents.
Ici, les protocoles sont solides (pas de PHP par exemple), les RFC respectées
et les remontées d’alertes assez simples à gérer. Donc je m’inscris en faux
à propos de … l’enfer.

Après, c’est une décision personnelle. Soit on souhaite conserver un œil, son
indépendance, les outils de filtrage et la politique de sécurisation et 
protection
de données; savoir ce qu’on fait du contenu des messages… ce que nous ne garanti
aucun des prestataires dus marché … à part en vague promesses « la main sur le
cœur »...

> Le 17 févr. 2019 à 12:44, roger.tar...@free.fr a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour
> Je n'ai pas assez d'expertise pour répondre à cette question.
> 
> Mais j'aimerais bien savoir si c'est réaliste de monter un serveur de 
> messagerie qui soit fiable et qui fonctionne sans devenir un enfer en 
> maintenance ?
> 
> C'est très facile de créer une compte chez un fournisseur, mais ça ne donne 
> pas beaucoup de contrôle.
> 
> Et on peut perdre ses messages si on n'utilise pas assez fréquemment sa 
> messagerie (chez Free : six mois, je crois)
> 
> Combien de temps faut-il pour monter un serveur de messagerie ?
> 
> Si vos commentaires (réalistes) sont encourageants, je me lancerais un 
> prochain we.
> 
> Merci
> 

--
Pierre Malard

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   France... on peut logiquement penser que tous les français auraient été
   des étrangers » ;-)
   
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Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Juan R. de Silva]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 16:07:11 +
Tixy  wrote:

> On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 15:56 +, Tixy wrote:
> > On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 14:47 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:  
> [...]
> > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?  
> > 
> > Erm, he probably uses a email client to follow this email list like
> > I guess a lot (most?) people do, usenet newsgroups are a different
> > thing to email. Though I understand from other posts here over the
> > years that there are services that present mailing lists like these
> > and newsgroups.  
> 
> That last line should have read...
> there are services that present mailing lists like these as
> newsgroups.
> 
> And Juan, I see from the email headers for your posts that you are
> using one of those services, namely Gmane.

Yes, I am using Gmane. In fact practically all Linux related lists I
follow using it.

I'm still mostly using Pan, but this post I am making using
Claws-Mail. Yes, it is not bad at all for my purposes. 

Much better then Thunderbird with its crazy font size "free dance" and
it does not close group pane on its own volition as Pan does. Boy, that
"feature" of Pan drove me nuts lately. And somehow it closes group pane
or at best reduces it size, all at a sudden, almost exclusively when I
am reading 'debian.users' list. Pan is a good reader but I get sick and
tired spending about 1/3 of my time fishing out the group pane it
closes.

Re: [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to replac Pan newsreader)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 06:10:41PM +0100, Siard wrote:
> Reco:
> > Siard:
> > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > Juan R. de Silva:
> > > > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> > > > 
> > > > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to
> > > > do to recieve the list via email is subscribe.
> > > 
> > > Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> > > gmane.linux.debian.user.
> > 
> > Can you elaborate which SMTP headers in particular led you to this
> > conclusion please?
> > 
> > Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
> > Claws-Mail as MUA.
> 
> Oops, I guess I am mistaken.
> I follow this list through gmane myself.
> So this is one of the headers I see in Patrick's message:
> 
> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user
> 
> But that header is in _every_ message in the list...

Oh, now I see it.
Your e-mails have "X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/;.
Us, plain SMTP users, lack it.

Reco

Re: [OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to replac Pan newsreader)

[Siard]

Reco:
> Siard:
> > Patrick Bartek:
> > > Juan R. de Silva:
> > > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> > > >
> > > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> > > 
> > > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to
> > > do to recieve the list via email is subscribe.
> > 
> > Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> > gmane.linux.debian.user.
> 
> Can you elaborate which SMTP headers in particular led you to this
> conclusion please?
> 
> Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
> Claws-Mail as MUA.

Oops, I guess I am mistaken.
I follow this list through gmane myself.
So this is one of the headers I see in Patrick's message:

Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.user

But that header is in _every_ message in the list...

[OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to replac Pan newsreader)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 05:30:48PM +0100, Siard wrote:
> Patrick Bartek:
> > Juan R. de Silva:
> > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> > >
> > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> > 
> > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
> > to recieve the list via email is subscribe.
> 
> Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> gmane.linux.debian.user.

Can you elaborate which SMTP headers in particular led you to this
conclusion please?

Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
Claws-Mail as MUA.


PS Mutt and headers editing. Need to be more careful next time.

Reco

[OT] NNTP and SMTP Headers (was: Re: Looking for advise to

[Reco]

replacy Pan newsreader)
Reply-To: 
In-Reply-To: <20190217173048.072fba97.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl>

Hi.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 05:30:48PM +0100, Siard wrote:
> Patrick Bartek:
> > Juan R. de Silva:
> > > Patrick Bartek:
> > > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> > >
> > > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> > 
> > Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
> > to recieve the list via email is subscribe.
> 
> Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
> gmane.linux.debian.user.

Can you elaborate which SMTP headers in particular led you to this
conclusion please?

Because all I saw in that e-mail was pretty typical for GMail user using
Claws-Mail as MUA.

Reco

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Siard]

Patrick Bartek:
> Juan R. de Silva:
> > Patrick Bartek:
> > > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > > access NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.
> > > Abandoned NNTP and pan a year ago.
> >
> > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> 
> Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
> to recieve the list via email is subscribe.

Your headers, however, indicate that you follow it through newsgroup
gmane.linux.debian.user.

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 08:12:37 +
Paul Sutton  wrote:

> On 17/02/2019 06:51, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 - (UTC)
> > "Juan R. de Silva"  wrote:
> >  
> >> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
> >> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> >>
> >> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
> >> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
> >> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to 
> >> another 
> >> group. 
> >>
> >> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not 
> >> care 
> >> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. 
> >> Plain 
> >> text reading.  
> > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> > NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> > and pan a year ago.
> >
> > B
> >  
> You can configure Thunderbird to use plain text (compose and send) and
> also set it up so it treats html as text and not display all the
> internal content,  logos, pictures and other nonsense people insist on
> sending, sometimes replying to an html e-mail results in the reply being
> html unless you set it up or notice.

Why go to all that trouble?  Claws does all that by default.  An
html email displays as plain text.  No code. However, there is a
plugin html interpreter if you need must see the html version in all its
wasteful, artsy-fartsy glory.

As far as I can tell, replying to an html email with Claws results in
the reply being sent plain text only.

> No idea what happens at the other end, causes all sorts of issues at
> both ends as it is.

I don't know either, but I've never had anyone, even MS Outlook users,
complain they can't read my emails.

B

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Tixy]

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 15:56 +, Tixy wrote:
> On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 14:47 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
[...]
> > And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> 
> Erm, he probably uses a email client to follow this email list like I
> guess a lot (most?) people do, usenet newsgroups are a different thing
> to email. Though I understand from other posts here over the years that
> there are services that present mailing lists like these and newsgroups.

That last line should have read...
there are services that present mailing lists like these as newsgroups.

And Juan, I see from the email headers for your posts that you are
using one of those services, namely Gmane.

-- 
Tixy

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:47:11 - (UTC)
"Juan R. de Silva"  wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:51:04 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 - (UTC)
> > "Juan R. de Silva"  wrote:
> >   
> >> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy
> >> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> >> 
> >> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is
> >> not capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the
> >> font size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or
> >> to another group.
> >> 
> >> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not
> >> care about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet
> >> newsgroups. Plain text reading.  
> > 
> > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> > NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> > and pan a year ago.
> > 
> > B  
> 
> And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?
> 
> Thank you

Claws-mail.  I don't follow it on NNTP as some do.  All you have to do
to recieve the list via email is subscribe.

B

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Tixy]

On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 14:47 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:51:04 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 - (UTC)
> > "Juan R. de Silva"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get
> > > buggy
> > > as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> > > 
> > > I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure
> > > thing is
> > > not capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That
> > > is, the
> > > font size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next
> > > post or
> > > to another group.
> > > 
> > > Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I
> > > do not
> > > care about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet
> > > newsgroups. Plain text reading.
> > 
> > Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also
> > access
> > NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned
> > NNTP
> > and pan a year ago.
> > 
> > B
> 
> And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?

Erm, he probably uses a email client to follow this email list like I
guess a lot (most?) people do, usenet newsgroups are a different thing
to email. Though I understand from other posts here over the years that
there are services that present mailing lists like these and newsgroups
.

-- 
Tixy

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Juan R. de Silva]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:51:04 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 - (UTC)
> "Juan R. de Silva"  wrote:
> 
>> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy
>> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
>> 
>> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is
>> not capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the
>> font size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or
>> to another group.
>> 
>> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not
>> care about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet
>> newsgroups. Plain text reading.
> 
> Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> and pan a year ago.
> 
> B

And may I ask you what do you use to follow this very maillist?

Thank you

Re: web problem

[songbird]

ghe wrote:
...
> Anybody experienced this? Or know what I can do about it?

  pretty much sounds like a connection problem to me.

  i had one over last weekend due to my antenna getting
knocked over with high winds.  some connections would
limp and barely succeed but most could not accomplish
anything useful until i got up on the roof and fixed 
the basic reception problem.


  songbird

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2019 17 Feb 05:22 -0600, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> Many thanks. I'll have to think about a switch from mutt to neomutt.

I've been using neomutt for quite some time mostly so I could customize
the MIME header colors.  No complaints.

- Nate

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Re: File association for all and new users in the KDE?

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

*SORRY about the duplicate post if it showed up.* One did on my side.
Browser must have hiccuped when I tried to send a simple text email
while simultaneously upgrading Debian on $17 local small town
dialup. :)


On 2/17/19, Cindy-Sue Causey  wrote:
> On 2/16/19, Serkan KURT  wrote:
>>   How can some application and file types be set to default for all
>> users?
>> For Debian 9, "/usr/share/applications/mimeapps.list" was the solution to
>> edit the file. The same method in Debian 8 version did not work.
>
>
> Hi.. I *used* to try to do that when I first started... *breaking*...
> my Linux systems.

Re: File association for all and new users in the KDE?

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 2/16/19, Serkan KURT  wrote:
>   How can some application and file types be set to default for all users?
> For Debian 9, "/usr/share/applications/mimeapps.list" was the solution to
> edit the file. The same method in Debian 8 version did not work.


Hi.. I *used* to try to do that when I first started... *breaking*...
my Linux systems. I spent MANY HOURS changing file permissions so that
*I* could access my own things here.

Then I read somewhere that we should NOT do that because those
permissions/ownerships have been set up that way to *protect* us and
our machines. The method that exists today took all these long, hard
years of development to intentionally get to the self-preservation
point we're at right now.

A different work-around: Maybe if you could describe what you're
trying to do with your setup, someone here can help you find a
different way to do the same thing that changing file ownerships
does..

Afterthought: That security warning I read a LONG time ago also
pointed specifically at things like.. do NOT add everyone to ALL
groups to get things done, either. The reason for not doing that
and/or manually changing file permissions is because both would then
throw your computer's front door wide open to any hackers/crackers who
might come a-knockin'. They would fall under that "everyone" category,
too :)

Cindy :)
-- 
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2019 17 Feb 03:10 -0600, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 09:04:56AM +, Paul Sutton wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Would be interested in what people are using for NNTP services, as there
> > are not as many out there now,  probably lots of newsgroups but less
> > ISPs offering this as a service.
> 
>   https://www.eternal-september.org/
> 
> As far as an NNTP client is concerned... gnus, of course.

How can it be configured to show all headers both read and unread even
after leaving and coming back to a group?  This is my gripe about most
newsreaders where the default is trim the headers list aggressively.

The news server I used in the past was news.aioe.org and it is still
online.

I just installed Pan on Buster and it picked up where I'd left off well
over a year and a half ago.  I did adjust the body and monospace fonts
to Hack regular and other than the preferences dialog being spread
across 1.5 of my two screens and not responding to resizing, I don't see
it failing in a 30 second test.

- Nate

-- 

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possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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Re: Some other Personal Server options -- - Re: GnuBee: freedom-respecting Network Attached Storage

[Paul Sutton]

On 17/02/2019 12:24, deb wrote:
>
> On 2/16/2019 8:25 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
>> Andy Smith  writes:
>>
>>> If all you require is access to your data when you are out and about,
>>> and you do currently have always-on Internet at home, you could build
>>> a cheap server, attach your existing USB storage to it, and serve it
>>> with owncloud
>
>
> Other Personal Server options
>
> ❓ YunoHost:
> https://yunohost.org
>
>  FreedomBox:
> https://freedombox.org
>
>  FreedomBone:
> https://freedombone.net
>
>  Lollipop Cloud:
> https://lollipopcloud.solutions
>
>
>
I guess an advantage with using several solutions,  is that data can be
spread out you are not putting all your eggs in one basket  important
data can be safeguarded against data loss due to system fails,  self
hosting does require extra work to keep everything updated and therefore
hopefully more secure, etc.


Paul


>
>
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Some other Personal Server options -- - Re: GnuBee: freedom-respecting Network Attached Storage

[deb]

On 2/16/2019 8:25 PM, Ben Finney wrote:

Andy Smith  writes:


If all you require is access to your data when you are out and about,
and you do currently have always-on Internet at home, you could build
a cheap server, attach your existing USB storage to it, and serve it
with owncloud



Other Personal Server options

❓ YunoHost:
https://yunohost.org

 FreedomBox:
https://freedombox.org

 FreedomBone:
https://freedombone.net

 Lollipop Cloud:
https://lollipopcloud.solutions

Re: Why do we have a default activated man-db.timer?

[Tom Bachreier]

Hi Étienne!

Thanks for your comprehensive explanation. I appreciate it very much.

Feb 12, 2019, 1:38 AM by etienne.moll...@mailoo.org:

> Tom Bachreier, on 2019-02-11:
>
>> BUT wait...
>>
>> I was wondering why do we have man-db.timer in the first place?
>>
>
> On my Sid machine, this file is known under the name of
> /usr/lib/systemd/system/man-db.service and has, among other
> things, these lines:
>
Just for the record:
On testing I found the file in /lib/systemd/system instead.

>
>  # Expunge old catman pages which have not been read in a week.
>  ExecStart=/usr/bin/find /var/cache/man -type f -name *.gz -atime +6 -delete
>  # Regenerate man database.
>  ExecStart=/usr/bin/mandb --quiet
>
> Seems there is not only a mandb re-indexing, but also some
> cleanup is done apparently, given the `find [...] -delete`.
>
[Re-indexing for man, whatis and apropos]

In my opinion still the perfect job for a postinstall-script. Manpages
doesn't change other than during install, update or remove of
packages.


>
> The other mechanism consists in caching the binary
> representation of compiled manual pages.  
>
[...]

> You can try for yourself how `man` handles the research inside
> your documentation by passing the debug option -d and browsing
> the output debug.out at your convenience:
>
>  $ man -d man 2> debug.out
>
> I discovered for instance that I never use this cache because I
> cap my terminal width to 65 characters using the variable
> MANWIDTH, and the debug output shown me:
>
>  Terminal width 65 not within cat page range [80, 80]
>
Same here. But I tried a 80 columns terminal, too and no cache files
were generated either. I don't care but it is strange. I do not even have
catx-directories - not in /usr/share/man/ or /var/cache/man/.

The debug shows in this case:
> found ultimate source file /usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz
> converted /usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz to /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz
> is_changed: a=/usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz, b=/usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz 
> (-2)
> converted /var/cache/man/cat1/man.1.gz to /var/cache/man/cat1/man.1.gz
> will try cat file /var/cache/man/cat1/man.1.gz
[...]
> is_changed: a=/usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz, b=/var/cache/man/cat1/man.1.gz 
> (-2)
> cat dir /var/cache/man/cat1 does not exist

I would translate this to: It tried but failed to generate the cache file.

> Since lots of people do not use 80 char width terminals anymore,
> mostly because of "maximize window", I get this function is not
> of much use lately, at least not by using Debian default value.
> That thing can be configured in /etc/manpath.config if you are
> interested in such manipulations.
>
In /etc/manpath.config I found one can disable caching completely - nice.
> NOCACHE

>
> Well, I don't believe this catman mechanism is of much use
> today, most manual pages are rendered in the blink of an eye.
> Last time I had to /wait/ more than a seconds for a manual page
> to be formatted, that was on a Sun Fire V440.
>
I agree, for myself it is pretty useless. I never missed it.

>
> To summarize, the patched service does a clear the cache of
> unused raw man pages, which should not be referenced anymore by
> mandb.  Part of all this is more or less described in the manual
> pages man(1), most particularly in sections "OVERVIEW" and
> "DEFAULTS", which have a succinct descriptions of the various
> mechanisms involved.  See also catman(8) and mandb(8).
>
>
To summarize for myself. The timer/service doesn't do anything valuable
for me so I will disable it.

Étienne, thanks again for your time! It helped me to understand if the
timer is needed on my computers or not.

Tom

Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[hamster]

Le 17/02/2019 à 12:44, roger.tar...@free.fr a écrit :
> Bonjour
> Je n'ai pas assez d'expertise pour répondre à cette question. 
>
> Mais j'aimerais bien savoir si c'est réaliste de monter un serveur de 
> messagerie qui soit fiable et qui fonctionne sans devenir un enfer en 
> maintenance ?
>
> C'est très facile de créer une compte chez un fournisseur, mais ça ne donne 
> pas beaucoup de contrôle. 
>
> Et on peut perdre ses messages si on n'utilise pas assez fréquemment sa 
> messagerie (chez Free : six mois, je crois)
>
> Combien de temps faut-il pour monter un serveur de messagerie ?
>
> Si vos commentaires (réalistes) sont encourageants, je me lancerais un 
> prochain we. 

http://iletaitunefoisinternet.fr/lemail-par-benjamin-sonntag/index.html

Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[roger . tarani]

Bonjour
Je n'ai pas assez d'expertise pour répondre à cette question. 

Mais j'aimerais bien savoir si c'est réaliste de monter un serveur de 
messagerie qui soit fiable et qui fonctionne sans devenir un enfer en 
maintenance ?

C'est très facile de créer une compte chez un fournisseur, mais ça ne donne pas 
beaucoup de contrôle. 

Et on peut perdre ses messages si on n'utilise pas assez fréquemment sa 
messagerie (chez Free : six mois, je crois)

Combien de temps faut-il pour monter un serveur de messagerie ?

Si vos commentaires (réalistes) sont encourageants, je me lancerais un prochain 
we. 

Merci

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Erik Christiansen]

On 17.02.19 12:07, hdv@gmail wrote:
> On 17/02/2019 11.58, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > On 17.02.19 10:16, hdv@gmail wrote:
> >> On 17/02/2019 05.05, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> >>> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not 
> >>> care 
> >>> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. 
> >>> Plain 
> >>> text reading.
> >>
> >> For text-only groups I use mutt.
> > 
> > Which patchset do you use to enable that? (And is there any doco on the
> > set-up?)
> 
> If my memory serves me well I always just used the version taken from the 
> Debian
> repository. Nowadays that would be neomutt.
> 
> Maybe you can use this page for the set up?
> 
> https://neomutt.org/feature/nntp

Many thanks. I'll have to think about a switch from mutt to neomutt.

Erik

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[hdv@gmail]

On 17/02/2019 11.58, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 17.02.19 10:16, hdv@gmail wrote:
>> On 17/02/2019 05.05, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
>>> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not 
>>> care 
>>> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
>>> text reading.
>>
>> For text-only groups I use mutt.
> 
> Which patchset do you use to enable that? (And is there any doco on the
> set-up?)

If my memory serves me well I always just used the version taken from the Debian
repository. Nowadays that would be neomutt.

Maybe you can use this page for the set up?

https://neomutt.org/feature/nntp

Grx HdV

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Erik Christiansen]

On 17.02.19 10:16, hdv@gmail wrote:
> On 17/02/2019 05.05, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> > Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not 
> > care 
> > about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
> > text reading.
> 
> For text-only groups I use mutt.

Which patchset do you use to enable that? (And is there any doco on the
set-up?)

Erik

Re: Please Recommend Affordable and Reliable Cloud Storage for 50 TB of Data

[Curt]

On 2019-02-17, Celejar  wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:52:55 - (UTC)
> Curt  wrote:
>
>> On 2019-02-15, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming  wrote:
>> >
>> > Basically personal data. I don't intend to access the data in the
>> > Cloud often. Just want to park it permanently in the Cloud. Maybe I
>> > can access the Cloud from anywhere in the world?
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Glacier
>
> Depending on how often / how fast the storage will need to be accessed,
> C14 can be cheaper:
>
> https://www.online.net/en/c14#pricing

Amazon also fills the enterprise-unlikely-to-fold-in-the-foreseeable-
future" reliability criterion. I'm uncertain about c14 in this regard
(though a "deep underground fallout shelter located in Paris, France.
Without known natural, technological, and military risks..." sounds
quite reassuring, especially if you're a French civil servant).

One worrisome aspect is the "Sustainability Guarantee" (whatever that
might be) for a "Standard" service level is merely 3-6 years, which is
quite this side of forever. 

It also appears that once your data is uploaded to a "safe-deposit box"
(limited to 40TB in size) via the rsync, ftp, sftp, or scp protocols, it
is permanently archived. But you only have 7 days to effectuate that
upload. How many TBs of data the OP could transfer over his link in a
week remains to be evaluated, but it seems unarchiving an existing
archive to add more data, or creating a new one, are both operations
subject to a fee.

BTW, what about these Canadians (histoire de couper la poire en deux, so
to speak)?

https://www.sync.com/pricing/

Business Advanced

 For multiple users
 $15per user, per month
 billed annually
 2-user minimum

 All the secure file storage you need (up to 10 TB per user), with
 advanced sharing, collaboration, admin controls and live support.

That comes out to $75.00 a month for 50TB (five users).
Sounds pretty good from here.

> Celejar
>
>

Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[Yann Serre]

Mâââgique !
Je regarde,
Merci

Le 17/02/2019 à 11:28, Pierre Malard a écrit :

Il est également prévu par un client de messagerie comme « ThunderBird » qui
sait interagir avec et enregistrer ses règles de filtrage sur le serveur si on
a ouvert le service sur un port prévu à cet effet.

Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[Pierre Malard]

Bonjour,

Pour le classement sur le serveur, il existe le mécanisme « Seive » qui peut
être piloté directement sur le serveur par exemple pour un pré-classement des
mails repérés comme SPAM dans le dossier « SPAM » et/ou un système de répondeur
automatique. C’est un greffon « DoveCot » très commode.

Il est également prévu par un client de messagerie comme « ThunderBird » qui
sait interagir avec et enregistrer ses règles de filtrage sur le serveur si on
a ouvert le service sur un port prévu à cet effet.

Références :
http://libsieve-php.sourceforge.net
https://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve#head-f083c4265adca5ce0fecf17d7684bd2dedbd5812-2
https://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve%23head-f083c4265adca5ce0fecf17d7684bd2dedbd5812-2
…


> Le 16 févr. 2019 à 22:06, Yann Serre  a écrit :
> 
> Le 16/02/2019 à 18:29, David BERCOT a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>> Je vais ré-installer mon serveur mail (postfix/dovecot/roundcube) et lui
>> ajouter un anti-spam.
>> Les quelques recherches effectuées conseillent plutôt spamassassin ou
>> rspamd.
>> Est-ce que vous auriez un conseil / retour d'expérience en la matière ?
>> Il s'agit d'un serveur purement personnel avec des contraintes qui sont
>> donc plutôt limitées...
>> Merci d'avance.
>> David.
> 
> Bonjour,
> Je prolonge avec :
> Quelle solution pour classer les mails sur le serveur (postfix/dovecot aussi) 
> ?
> Actuellement ce sont les règles de Thunderbird qui s'en chargent sur mon PC 
> principal mais j'aimerais centraliser.
> Si vous préférez dissocier cette demande de celle de David, pas de problème !
> Merci,
> Yves
> 

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Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[Pierre Malard]

Bonjour,

Pour le choix entre « spamassassin » ou « rspamd » je n’ai pas d’avis et
suis intéressé par les arguments respectifs.

Par contre, entre postfix/dovecot et le filtrage SPAM, j’ajouterai aussi
un filtrage anti-virus (« ClamAV » ?) et une mise en « jail » par des outils
comme « SpamCop » et « Postgrey » dont l’aiguillage serait assuré
par « amavis » en définissant des priorités.

Références :
https://www.akadia.com/services/postfix_amavisd.html
http://www.majorxtrem.be/2009/11/19/installation-serveur-mail-postfix-amavisd-mysql-spamassassin-dspam-courier-imap/
…

> Le 16 févr. 2019 à 18:29, David BERCOT  a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Je vais ré-installer mon serveur mail (postfix/dovecot/roundcube) et lui
> ajouter un anti-spam.
> Les quelques recherches effectuées conseillent plutôt spamassassin ou
> rspamd.
> 
> Est-ce que vous auriez un conseil / retour d'expérience en la matière ?
> 
> Il s'agit d'un serveur purement personnel avec des contraintes qui sont
> donc plutôt limitées...
> 
> Merci d'avance.
> 
> David.
> 

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Re: puzzled: debian 9.8 already?

[Andrea Borgia]

Il 16/02/19 21:22, Ryan Campbell Cunningham ha scritto:


If you would like to, you may read the Debian 9.8 release announcement 
at .


Thank you, Ryan. And also Steve for the additional info on the interim 
security release.


In other words, that message was what it looked like :)

I am now subscribed to debian-announce and debian-security-announce.

Regards,
Andrea.

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[hdv@gmail]

On 17/02/2019 05.05, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
> 
> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
> group. 
> 
> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
> text reading.

For text-only groups I use mutt.

Grx HdV

Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[tomas]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 09:04:56AM +, Paul Sutton wrote:

[...]

> Would be interested in what people are using for NNTP services, as there
> are not as many out there now,  probably lots of newsgroups but less
> ISPs offering this as a service.

  https://www.eternal-september.org/

As far as an NNTP client is concerned... gnus, of course.

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Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Paul Sutton]

On 17/02/2019 04:05, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
>
> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
> group. 
>
> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
> text reading.
>
> Thanks
>
Would be interested in what people are using for NNTP services, as there
are not as many out there now,  probably lots of newsgroups but less
ISPs offering this as a service.

Thanks

Paul

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Re: Looking for advise to replacy Pan newsreader

[Paul Sutton]

On 17/02/2019 06:51, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 04:05:47 - (UTC)
> "Juan R. de Silva"  wrote:
>
>> Pan newsreader,which I used happily for several years, lately get buggy 
>> as hell and cannot be used any longer at all.
>>
>> I tried Thunderbird from Debian repo and found that the pure thing is not 
>> capable to keep a uniform font size through all posts. That is, the font 
>> size changes as soon as I try to advance either to a next post or to another 
>> group. 
>>
>> Can your share with me what do you use for newsgroups reading. I do not care 
>> about binaries. All I want to follow several Linux usenet newsgroups. Plain 
>> text reading.
> Claws-mail besides being a text-based only email client can also access
> NNTP news accounts, too. Although, I've never done so.  Abandoned NNTP
> and pan a year ago.
>
> B
>
You can configure Thunderbird to use plain text (compose and send) and
also set it up so it treats html as text and not display all the
internal content,  logos, pictures and other nonsense people insist on
sending, sometimes replying to an html e-mail results in the reply being
html unless you set it up or notice.

No idea what happens at the other end, causes all sorts of issues at
both ends as it is.

Paul

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