Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
On 2/22/19 6:17 AM, songbird wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. so that I can edit the fstab and create a mount point for the new drive? Hence, the request for the sanity check. as long as you don't have anything on the current one that is being used by the system it should be ok. So long as the system and/or any programs are not using a drive, then you can remove that drive. for the short term, just to make sure you don't have to track the stuff down again you can just comment the lines out in the fstab but leave them there until you are sure things are ok. Leave the old drive installed, comment out its entry in fstab, leave the mount point intact, reboot, and test if everything still works. If everything still works, then power down, remove the old drive, install the new drive, boot, and configure the new drive. If something is broken, then you will need to trouble-shoot. On 2/22/19 6:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > The OS is on dev/sda. The disk I changing is /dev/sdc As other readers have noted, device nodes for drives are unpredictable. On 2/22/19 8:36 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > Here is my fstab: > > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a > # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices > # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). > # > # > # / was on /dev/sda1 during installation > UUID=ce25f0e1-610d-4030-ab47-129cd47d974e / ext4 > errors=remount-ro 0 1 > # swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation > UUID=a8f6dc7e-13f1-4495-b68a-27886d386db0 noneswap > sw 0 0 > /dev/sr0/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 > > UUID=900b5f0b-4f3d-4a64-8c91-29aee4c6fd07 /sdb1 ext4 errors=remount-ro > 0 1 > > UUID=d65867da-c658-4e35-928c-9dd2d6dd5742 /sdc1 ext4 errors=remount-ro > 0 1 > > UUID=007c1f16-34a4-438c-9d15-e3df601649ba /sdc2 ext4 errors=remount-ro > 0 1 As other readers have noted, using UUID's for the fstab first field (fs_spec) is okay. Newer Linux kernels offer more meaningful options, such as GPT labels and drive make/ model/ serial number (ID) strings. As other readers have noted, using device node base names such as '/sdb1' for the fstab second field (fs_file) is confusing and could cause you to make a painful mistake. I agree with the suggestions of using names based upon what the drive contains -- '/data', '/music', '/sneaker', etc.. I also physically mark my drives with the exact same name. > Before disconnection the power to the drives, Understand that if you disconnect the power cable to a motherboard, drive, peripheral, etc., but not all the other cables (e.g. SATA cable), you can fry electronics. If you're going to unplug something, completely unplug it. > I edited out their lines > in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and started the > computer. It booted for a few lines until it encountered the line > starting with 'start job fgfor device disk by . . .' (at least that what > i jotted down). then t\iot Then it through the three HD's, two of which > had the power unplugged) for 1 minute and 30 seconds and then went on to > tell me that I could log on as root or ctrl-D to continue. Ctrl-D > didn't work so I logged oh as root You need to capture exact error messages and type them exactly into your posts. Use a digital camera, smart phone, tablet PC, etc.. > At that point I did 'journalctl -xb and got 1237 lines which were > meaningless to me. Take a bunch of pictures, then RTFM, STFW, and/or post here. > startx got me to the Root Desktop. I avoid running X as root. > The only option open to me at that point was to logout as root, the > options of restart and shutdown were grayed out as being unavailable. > > At this point I admitted defeat did 'shutdown -h now' in a terminal and > put the system back in its original state. > > Obviously, I'm missing something! Does the machine work now? If so, follow my suggestion above "Leave the old drive installed...". David
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
On 2/22/19 5:54 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:20:05 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:36:28AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and started the computer. It booted for a few lines until it encountered the line starting with 'start job fgfor device disk by . . .' (at least that what i jotted down). then t\iot Then it through the three HD's, two of which had the power unplugged) for 1 minute and 30 seconds and then went on to tell me that I could log on as root or ctrl-D to continue. Ctrl-D didn't work so I logged oh as root It sounds like you didn't actually comment them out of fstab. Well, that should be easy to check: reconnect the drives and boot up the system "as normal". And while it's up, I would seriously look at those mount point names; I agree, they are awful. Create some nice new ones to use with your future disk(s). I know little to nothing about a raid, but otherwise I would boot with the new drive installed and run "blkid" then make appropriate changes to the "fstab". -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - Linux 4.19.23 - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda11 Registered Linux User #380263
Re: python3.7 disfunctional (was: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?) NOW SOLVED
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 02:30:01 +0100, Frank Miles wrote: > I just upgraded my desktop from stable/stretch to testing/buster. > I'd earlier done the same to a laptop without any problems. > On the desktop, I get the following strange traceback : > > $ python3 Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:31:48) > [GCC 8.2.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" > for more information. help() > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/_sitebuiltins.py", line 102, in __call__ > import pydoc > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/pydoc.py", line 66, in > import inspect > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/inspect.py", line 40, in > import linecache > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/linecache.py", line 11, in > import tokenize > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tokenize.py", line 33, in > import re > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/re.py", line 143, in > class RegexFlag(enum.IntFlag): > AttributeError: module 'enum' has no attribute 'IntFlag' > I've tried reinstalling python3.7 and its library packages without > effect. > > Any hints on how I might find what's causing this pathological behavior? > TIA! >-Frank I posted a similar query on the python newsgroup - and Chris Angelico provided a good diagnostic method and correctly speculated about the source of the problem. What had happened some time ago was I'd introduced a python3 enum system, which happened to reside at /usr/local/python3.7/dist-packages. This was earlier in the path than the proper enum module, so got imported rather than the one in /usr/lib/python3.7/ . Renaming things to get it out of the way has restored the proper import, allowing python3 to work normally. Thanks all- Frank
Re: python3.7 disfunctional (was: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?)
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 7:27 PM Frank Miles wrote: > I just upgraded my desktop from stable/stretch to testing/buster. > I'd earlier done the same to a laptop without any problems. > On the desktop, I get the following strange traceback : > > $ python3 > Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:31:48) > [GCC 8.2.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> help() > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/_sitebuiltins.py", line 102, in __call__ > import pydoc > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/pydoc.py", line 66, in > import inspect > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/inspect.py", line 40, in > import linecache > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/linecache.py", line 11, in > import tokenize > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tokenize.py", line 33, in > import re > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/re.py", line 143, in > class RegexFlag(enum.IntFlag): > AttributeError: module 'enum' has no attribute 'IntFlag' > >>> > > I've tried reinstalling python3.7 and its library packages > without effect. > > Any hints on how I might find what's causing this pathological > behavior? TIA! >-Frank > > Don't have a solution for you, just a data point: kent@westk-9463:~$ python3 Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:31:48) [GCC 8.2.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> help() Welcome to Python 3.7's help utility! If this is your first time using Python, you should definitely check out the tutorial on the Internet at https://docs.python.org/3.7/tutorial/. Enter the name of any module, keyword, or topic to get help on writing Python programs and using Python modules. To quit this help utility and return to the interpreter, just type "quit". To get a list of available modules, keywords, symbols, or topics, type "modules", "keywords", "symbols", or "topics". Each module also comes with a one-line summary of what it does; to list the modules whose name or summary contain a given string such as "spam", type "modules spam". help> -- Kent West<")))>< Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:20:05 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:36:28AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their > > lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and > > started the computer. It booted for a few lines until it > > encountered the line starting with 'start job fgfor device disk by > > . . .' (at least that what i jotted down). then t\iot Then it > > through the three HD's, two of which had the power unplugged) for > > 1 minute and 30 seconds and then went on to tell me that I could > > log on as root or ctrl-D to continue. Ctrl-D didn't work so I > > logged oh as root > > It sounds like you didn't actually comment them out of fstab. Well, that should be easy to check: reconnect the drives and boot up the system "as normal". And while it's up, I would seriously look at those mount point names; I agree, they are awful. Create some nice new ones to use with your future disk(s). Cheers, David.
python3.7 disfunctional (was: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?)
I just upgraded my desktop from stable/stretch to testing/buster. I'd earlier done the same to a laptop without any problems. On the desktop, I get the following strange traceback : $ python3 Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:31:48) [GCC 8.2.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> help() Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File "/usr/lib/python3.7/_sitebuiltins.py", line 102, in __call__ import pydoc File "/usr/lib/python3.7/pydoc.py", line 66, in import inspect File "/usr/lib/python3.7/inspect.py", line 40, in import linecache File "/usr/lib/python3.7/linecache.py", line 11, in import tokenize File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tokenize.py", line 33, in import re File "/usr/lib/python3.7/re.py", line 143, in class RegexFlag(enum.IntFlag): AttributeError: module 'enum' has no attribute 'IntFlag' >>> I've tried reinstalling python3.7 and its library packages without effect. Any hints on how I might find what's causing this pathological behavior? TIA! -Frank
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:16:43 (+), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: > > What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend > my time exhaustively surveying them to be sure. Perhaps it's just not > generally a well-known feature. > > > I'd also point out that, at least in Alpine, the feature does not depend > > on or require the use of an external MTA such as sendmail, Exim, etc. > > Noted, thanks. I suspect mutt can be configured similarly. mutt can certainly do mail submission to a smarthost itself. set smtp_url="smtp://email-address:password@smarthost:port/" would be all that's typically necessary. But when I tried using this some years ago, I got bored of waiting for large attachments to get uploaded. That's why I prefer to queue it with exim, and also to have exim's logs for picking over in cases where things get delayed or blocked. Cheers, David.
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-02-22 11:36 (UTC-0500): ... > # > UUID=900b5f0b-4f3d-4a64-8c91-29aee4c6fd07 /sdb1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 > 1 > UUID=d65867da-c658-4e35-928c-9dd2d6dd5742 /sdc1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 > 1 > UUID=007c1f16-34a4-438c-9d15-e3df601649ba /sdc2 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 > 1 ... > Obviously, I'm missing something! Sections of man fstab I suggest for reading (from Buster's version): 1-"The first field", third paragraph. (file system) 2-The example that preceeds "The first field" 3-"The sixth field" (pass) 4-"The fourth field" (mount options) I've never tried including non-root filesystems in pass 1, so don't know what trouble might result. Changing those three from 1 to 2 might be a good place to start. I highly recommend assigning labels to filesystems, and assigning those labels based upon expected usage and/or mount points and/or drive model. When this is done, fstab can be much easier to understand, and when necessary, manage. Example: LABEL=P01M120ESP/boot/efi vfatcodepage=4370 0 LABEL=p02m120swap swapswapdefaults0 0 LABEL=p03m120res/data/res ext2noatime,nofail 0 0 LABEL=p04m120usrlcl /usr/local ext4noatime 0 2 LABEL=p05m120home /home ext4noatime 0 2 LABEL=p06m120deb09 /data/stretch ext4noatime,nofail 0 0 LABEL=p07m120deb10 / ext4noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 LABEL=tosh06g-videos/data/videosext4noatime,nofail 0 0 LABEL=mblak02g-misc /data/misc ext4noatime,nofail 0 0 LABEL=st500-01arch /data/arch ext4noatime,noauto 0 0 LABEL=adata16g /data/music vfatcodepage=437,noauto 0 0 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:00:01 +0100, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:15:12 - (UTC) > Frank Miles wrote: > >> It seems that the new testing/buster python3.7 lacks 'argparse'. >> Simply trying to import this causes an error, probably due to only a >> python2.7 version on my system. >> >> I didn't see any indication of a missing library, though there is >> apparently some kind of transition going on. Is my system missing some >> other python library? >> >> > according to > https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/libpython3.7-minimal/filelist > argparse should be in libpython3.7-minimal > > Regards > > Michael > > .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . > .-. > > Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on. > -- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.9 Thanks, that's a good clue! There's something messed up with my installation. argparse is installed per libpython3.7-minimal. However if I simply start python, then do a help(), it gives me a traceback. Simpleminded forced reinstallation of python3.7, libpython3.7 idle-python3.7 idle3 libpython3-stdlib libpython3-minimal do not fix the problem :( Will explore further... Thanks again... -Frank
Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 17:03:41 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:24:40 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:50:29 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + > > > Brian wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > > > > > > > > > Simplified query: > > > > > > > > > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an > > > > > Ethernet > > > > > connection, > > > > > > > > > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free > > > > > bits > > > > > available on a USB drive)? > > > > > > > > Firmware (free or non-free) goes in /lib/firmware. > > > > > > Just to clarify, that's if he's manually installing the firmware files. > > > If he has the appropriate .deb (e.g., firmware-iwlwifi), then it's just > > > a matter of dpkg -i firmware_package. > > > > The advice is spot-on, whether or not files are put there by the user or > > a .deb. That is where the kernel looks. > > Of course, but an ordinary user doesn't have to know anything about > that, if he's installing from Debian packages. The whole point (well, > one of the points) of a package management system is that it abstracts > away some of the technical implementation details from the end user. Correct. > > Incidentally, can you find a firmware-iwlwifi* suitable for the OP? > > No idea. But the first thing I'd try is installing firmware-iwlwifi, > and seeing if that's enough to get the card working. Intel's own > website seems to imply that the 8265 chipset requires only > iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode (present in the Debian package) to work: > > https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html I'll let the OP explain what the issue is, if he feels so inclined. -- Brian.
Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:24:40 + Brian wrote: > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:50:29 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + > > Brian wrote: > > > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > > > > > > > Simplified query: > > > > > > > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > > > > connection, > > > > > > > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits > > > > available on a USB drive)? > > > > > > Firmware (free or non-free) goes in /lib/firmware. > > > > Just to clarify, that's if he's manually installing the firmware files. > > If he has the appropriate .deb (e.g., firmware-iwlwifi), then it's just > > a matter of dpkg -i firmware_package. > > The advice is spot-on, whether or not files are put there by the user or > a .deb. That is where the kernel looks. Of course, but an ordinary user doesn't have to know anything about that, if he's installing from Debian packages. The whole point (well, one of the points) of a package management system is that it abstracts away some of the technical implementation details from the end user. > Incidentally, can you find a firmware-iwlwifi* suitable for the OP? No idea. But the first thing I'd try is installing firmware-iwlwifi, and seeing if that's enough to get the card working. Intel's own website seems to imply that the 8265 chipset requires only iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode (present in the Debian package) to work: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html Celejar
Re: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?
Hi, On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:15:12 - (UTC) Frank Miles wrote: > It seems that the new testing/buster python3.7 lacks 'argparse'. > Simply trying to import this causes an error, probably due to > only a python2.7 version on my system. > > I didn't see any indication of a missing library, though there > is apparently some kind of transition going on. Is my system > missing some other python library? > according to https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/libpython3.7-minimal/filelist argparse should be in libpython3.7-minimal Regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on. -- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.9
OT : Windows 10 managed desktop
Hi Sorry if this this is off topic, but this is something that as a free software we can perhaps take advantage of. Just had this posted to my local Linux user group irc channel https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html Granted it seems to be dated July 2018 though Essentially desktop as a service (DaaS,) so MS are going to try and grab more control over our desktops If this is a good reason to really push Linux, free software, choice, and user control then it seems a good a reason as any. Just thought I would post, so people are aware and we can gather comments on how we can really counter this otherwise it will just happen, A local training company provides courses provided by specific provider(s) so there is zero chance of offering alternative, They provide something called ITQ, (Computer course) which is, as you would guess, windows centric. On this basis they is zero chance of offering the same training but using free software (eg libre office, thunderbird, firefox, GPL awareness etc). Not sure how we can counter all of this. The advocacy teams have their work cut out here. Paul -- Paul Sutton http://www.zleap.net https://www.linkedin.com/in/zleap/ gnupg : 7D6D B682 F351 8D08 1893 1E16 F086 5537 D066 302D
argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?
It seems that the new testing/buster python3.7 lacks 'argparse'. Simply trying to import this causes an error, probably due to only a python2.7 version on my system. I didn't see any indication of a missing library, though there is apparently some kind of transition going on. Is my system missing some other python library? Thanks for any insights! -F
Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:50:29 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > > > > > Simplified query: > > > > > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > > > connection, > > > > > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits > > > available on a USB drive)? > > > > Firmware (free or non-free) goes in /lib/firmware. > > Just to clarify, that's if he's manually installing the firmware files. > If he has the appropriate .deb (e.g., firmware-iwlwifi), then it's just > a matter of dpkg -i firmware_package. The advice is spot-on, whether or not files are put there by the user or a .deb. That is where the kernel looks. Incidentally, can you find a firmware-iwlwifi* suitable for the OP? -- Brian.
Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + Brian wrote: > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > > > Simplified query: > > > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > > connection, > > > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits > > available on a USB drive)? > > Firmware (free or non-free) goes in /lib/firmware. Just to clarify, that's if he's manually installing the firmware files. If he has the appropriate .deb (e.g., firmware-iwlwifi), then it's just a matter of dpkg -i firmware_package. Celejar
Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation
deb wrote: > Simplified query: > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > connection, > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits > available on a USB drive)? > Assuming the USB disk is /dev/sdb and it has one partition on it. 1. Mount the usb drive. sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ 2. Make sure the package is there. ls /mnt/ 3. Install the package. sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi*.deb 4. Configure the network. ... varies by network manager, /etc/network/interfaces, wicd... 5. Unmount the usb drive. sudo umount /dev/sdb1 -dsr-
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:16:43 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: > >What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend > my time exhaustively surveying them to be sure. Perhaps it's just not > generally a well-known feature. > > >I'd also point out that, at least in Alpine, the feature does not depend > >on or require the use of an external MTA such as sendmail, Exim, etc. > > Noted, thanks. I suspect mutt can be configured similarly. Sylpheed has redirection as a built-in feature, and it works via Sylpheed's built-in SMTP functionality. I.e., mail can be redirected through any SMTP account that the user has configured. Celejar
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:36:28AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and started the computer. It booted for a few lines until it encountered the line starting with 'start job fgfor device disk by . . .' (at least that what i jotted down). then t\iot Then it through the three HD's, two of which had the power unplugged) for 1 minute and 30 seconds and then went on to tell me that I could log on as root or ctrl-D to continue. Ctrl-D didn't work so I logged oh as root It sounds like you didn't actually comment them out of fstab.
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
Le 22/02/2019 à 17:36, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) You can never know which drive will be sda at next boot. The system needs the following to boot: - the BIOS or UEFI needs to know which drive has a boot loader. For UEFI, it is rather the other way around : it has a list of boot entries and searches each matching EFI executable in order on the drives. Only if none is available, then as a fallback mechanism it searches a special executable in EFI partitions. UUID=900b5f0b-4f3d-4a64-8c91-29aee4c6fd07 /sdb1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 UUID=d65867da-c658-4e35-928c-9dd2d6dd5742 /sdc1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 UUID=007c1f16-34a4-438c-9d15-e3df601649ba /sdc2 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 Mount points which have device names that which may differ from the actual mounted device. This is so wrong... Fixed mount points should be named from the contents, not the container. This is what mounting is all about. /var contains variable data, regardless of its container. Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and started the computer. It booted for a few lines until it encountered the line starting with 'start job fgfor device disk by . . .' (at least that what i jotted down). You need to post the complete line, and the surrounding lines related to the error.
Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > Simplified query: > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > connection, > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits > available on a USB drive)? Firmware (free or non-free) goes in /lib/firmware. -- Brian.
Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation
Simplified query: After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet connection, how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits available on a USB drive)? Thanks On 2/21/2019 7:21 PM, deb wrote: On 2/21/2019 7:12 PM, deb wrote: So, I punched on to install Debian 9.7 onto the Intel NUC (https://www.provantage.com/intel-boxnuc7i7bnh~7ITSP1CM.htm) bypassing the wireless part, as I was still stuck on it asking for iwlwifi-8265-26.ucode, iwlwifi-8265-25.ucode, iwlwifi-8265-24.ucode, iwlwifi-8265-23.ucode in the networking section. (Those .ucode files do not exist as far as we've seen). So I have a running Debian now, but no internet connection either. (No immediate Ethernet access). If I now want to attempt the Intel wireless setup/install, using the iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode that it also asked for where do I do this at | from? Any starter pointers? * * *Is it just do this?* *| then install the **|firmware-iwlwifi|**package using your favorite package management utility, then reboot and the driver should be auto-loaded and ready for use.* found here https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=install+nuc+wireless+post+installation+debian&cat=web&pl=opensearch&language=english ... and I'll have the iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode and iwlwifi-8265-21.ucode in a /lib/firmware folder on a USB drive to pull from, whilst synaptics-ing.
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 07:20:52 +1100 "Sam Varghese" wrote: > I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running > Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a > year and cannot find anything on this subject. > > I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old PC > which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in > the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a > processor from the same company. > > If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed > to the list. I did a lot of research before replacing my 12 year old Phenom II x4 desktop system with a Ryzen 5 1600 one. All the advice given you so far is good. However, if you're using Stretch, my research said to upgrade to the 4.18 kernel in stretch-backports which has code that supports the Ryzen non-apu chip. Buster is supposed to be 100% Ryzen compatible with non and apu versions. It's also supposed to support Seureboot. But it's still in alpha and at least six months from Stable release. So I would avoid it for now. If you need Stretch to work with apu Ryzen chips, there are various "fixes," but they all involve a few pulling files from Buster's repos. Now that I've received all the parts, I'll let you know how my Ryzen build works since I'm transfering the System drive from my old system which is 100% MBR (old motherboard doesn't support uefi) as I don't want to reinstall Stretch or convert the drive to uefi. New motherboard does have Legacy support. So, I should be okay as long as I set the BIOS correctly. B
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
On 02/22/2019 10:02 AM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 09:19:53 (-0500), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. so that I can edit the fstab and create a mount point for the new drive? Hence, the request for the sanity check. The system needs the following to boot: - the BIOS or UEFI needs to know which drive has a boot loader. - that drive needs a boot loader (usually grub) - the boot loader needs to know where to load the kernel and possibly an init filesystem from - the kernel needs to be able to mount /, the root partition. Typically, all of those things will be on one drive, and that's usually /dev/sda. However, it's possibly to change all of them. You're probably safe. If you want to be sure, run a test: - shutdown to power off - unplug power from the drive you're going to replace - try to boot If that succeeds, shut down again and go ahead with the replacement. If it fails, you need to trace the boot process above and find out what's on the drive you're replacing, and arrange for that to be changed or copied. Thanks for the reply. The OS is on dev/sda. The disk I changing is /dev/sdc I think we're assuming that you have something better than /dev/sdaX in your /etc/fstab, UUIDs or LABELs. With modern PCs, you can be surprised by how these device names are assigned. Cheers, David. Many thanks to those have answered my cry for a 'sanity check' It has become obvious to me that I am having problems. Before I elaborate, I am using the UUID's for the Drives. Here is my fstab: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). # # # / was on /dev/sda1 during installation UUID=ce25f0e1-610d-4030-ab47-129cd47d974e / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 # swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation UUID=a8f6dc7e-13f1-4495-b68a-27886d386db0 noneswap sw 0 0 /dev/sr0/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 UUID=900b5f0b-4f3d-4a64-8c91-29aee4c6fd07 /sdb1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 UUID=d65867da-c658-4e35-928c-9dd2d6dd5742 /sdc1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 UUID=007c1f16-34a4-438c-9d15-e3df601649ba /sdc2 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 And I have the corresponding mount points. Now, as to what is happening. Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and started the computer. It booted for a few lines until it encountered the line starting with 'start job fgfor device disk by . . .' (at least that what i jotted down). then t\iot Then it through the three HD's, two of which had the power unplugged) for 1 minute and 30 seconds and then went on to tell me that I could log on as root or ctrl-D to continue. Ctrl-D didn't work so I logged oh as root At that point I did 'journalctl -xb and got 1237 lines which were meaningless to me. startx got me to the Root Desktop. The only option open to me at that point was to logout as root, the options of restart and shutdown were grayed out as being unavailable. At this point I admitted defeat did 'shutdown -h now' in a terminal and put the system back in its original state. Obviously, I'm missing something! -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Consultant www.molecular-modeling.net (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On 2019-02-22, Reco wrote: >> >> What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > Let's see. > kmail, balsa, evolution - basically anything that's either shipped with > DE, or written with "Modern App" approach in mind. Kmail has it: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/pim/kmail2/kmail2.pdf Redirect To This will redirect the message as-is to another email address. (I'm reading that to mean "bounce" in the sense we mean it here.) Apparently Evolution has a 'Forward as redirect' feature, too. I admire your conviction, though. >> I'd also point out that, at least in Alpine, the feature does not depend >> on or require the use of an external MTA such as sendmail, Exim, etc. > > mutt's happy to bounce without /usr/bin/sendmail too. > > Reco > > -- When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
Hi. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-02-22, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:37:06AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> (2) Mutt has a feature that lets you send an EXACT copy of a message > >>> to a different address, preserving all of the headers and content > >>> verbatim. Mutt calls this "bouncing". > >> > >>If this is such a good feature, why is mutt the only agent doing it? > > > > It isn't. But it's not a common feature, in common mailers. It's > > analogous to a power tool. All mutt is really doing is feeding the mail > > to /usr/bin/sendmail, and specifying the address to which you want it > > sent on the sendmail command-line. It relies upon you having a properly > > configured /usr/bin/sendmail interface (which is provided by, for > > example, Exim — not just Sendmail). The same result can be achieved with > > a procmail recipe, or a shell script, if you have access to the raw > > mail. > > What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? Let's see. kmail, balsa, evolution - basically anything that's either shipped with DE, or written with "Modern App" approach in mind. > I'd also point out that, at least in Alpine, the feature does not depend > on or require the use of an external MTA such as sendmail, Exim, etc. mutt's happy to bounce without /usr/bin/sendmail too. Reco
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 09:19:53 (-0500), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > > My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's > > > (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. > > > What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and > > > delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. so > > > that I can edit the fstab and create a mount point for the new drive? > > > Hence, the request for the sanity check. > > > > > The system needs the following to boot: > > - the BIOS or UEFI needs to know which drive has a boot loader. > > - that drive needs a boot loader (usually grub) > > - the boot loader needs to know where to load the kernel and > >possibly an init filesystem from > > - the kernel needs to be able to mount /, the root partition. > > > > Typically, all of those things will be on one drive, and that's > > usually /dev/sda. However, it's possibly to change all of them. > > > > You're probably safe. If you want to be sure, run a test: > > - shutdown to power off > > - unplug power from the drive you're going to replace > > - try to boot > > > > If that succeeds, shut down again and go ahead with the > > replacement. If it fails, you need to trace the boot process > > above and find out what's on the drive you're replacing, > > and arrange for that to be changed or copied. > > > Thanks for the reply. > > The OS is on dev/sda. The disk I changing is /dev/sdc I think we're assuming that you have something better than /dev/sdaX in your /etc/fstab, UUIDs or LABELs. With modern PCs, you can be surprised by how these device names are assigned. Cheers, David.
Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:14:18 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hello Jonathan, >Yes. I felt trying to encode the \n inside the quote marks (or putting a >literal \n in the quote marks) would harm comprehension, and hoped that Probably true. Still, there's at least one person on the list that appears unaware. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Your father was a megalomaniac, you've got an insane brother Pure Mania - The Vibrators pgpojoOLxHFR6.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On 2019-02-22, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: >>What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend > my time exhaustively surveying them to be sure. Perhaps it's just not > generally a well-known feature. If any survey was to occur, perhaps it would have been best to engage in it preliminarily. >>I'd also point out that, at least in Alpine, the feature does not depend >>on or require the use of an external MTA such as sendmail, Exim, etc. > > Noted, thanks. I suspect mutt can be configured similarly. >
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. so that I can edit the fstab and create a mount point for the new drive? Hence, the request for the sanity check. The system needs the following to boot: - the BIOS or UEFI needs to know which drive has a boot loader. - that drive needs a boot loader (usually grub) - the boot loader needs to know where to load the kernel and possibly an init filesystem from - the kernel needs to be able to mount /, the root partition. Typically, all of those things will be on one drive, and that's usually /dev/sda. However, it's possibly to change all of them. You're probably safe. If you want to be sure, run a test: - shutdown to power off - unplug power from the drive you're going to replace - try to boot If that succeeds, shut down again and go ahead with the replacement. If it fails, you need to trace the boot process above and find out what's on the drive you're replacing, and arrange for that to be changed or copied. -dsr- Thanks for the reply. The OS is on dev/sda. The disk I changing is /dev/sdc -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Consultant www.molecular-modeling.net (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the > HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. > > What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab > and delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new > HD. so that I can edit the fstab and create a mount point for the new > drive? > > Hence, the request for the sanity check. as long as you don't have anything on the current one that is being used by the system it should be ok. for the short term, just to make sure you don't have to track the stuff down again you can just comment the lines out in the fstab but leave them there until you are sure things are ok. songbird
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend my time exhaustively surveying them to be sure. Perhaps it's just not generally a well-known feature. I'd also point out that, at least in Alpine, the feature does not depend on or require the use of an external MTA such as sendmail, Exim, etc. Noted, thanks. I suspect mutt can be configured similarly. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's > (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. > > What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and > delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. so > that I can edit the fstab and create a mount point for the new drive? > > Hence, the request for the sanity check. > The system needs the following to boot: - the BIOS or UEFI needs to know which drive has a boot loader. - that drive needs a boot loader (usually grub) - the boot loader needs to know where to load the kernel and possibly an init filesystem from - the kernel needs to be able to mount /, the root partition. Typically, all of those things will be on one drive, and that's usually /dev/sda. However, it's possibly to change all of them. You're probably safe. If you want to be sure, run a test: - shutdown to power off - unplug power from the drive you're going to replace - try to boot If that succeeds, shut down again and go ahead with the replacement. If it fails, you need to trace the boot process above and find out what's on the drive you're replacing, and arrange for that to be changed or copied. -dsr-
Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:49:16AM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:54:25 +
("-- " with the trailing space)
That's not quite enough to make it entirely valid;
The 'dash, dash, space' must be all that's on that line. Put anything
after the space, and most MUAs won't recognise it as valid.
Yes. I felt trying to encode the \n inside the quote marks (or putting a
literal \n in the quote marks) would harm comprehension, and hoped that
the implication was clear.
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Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On 2019-02-22, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:37:06AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> (2) Mutt has a feature that lets you send an EXACT copy of a message >>> to a different address, preserving all of the headers and content >>> verbatim. Mutt calls this "bouncing". >> >>If this is such a good feature, why is mutt the only agent doing it? > > It isn't. But it's not a common feature, in common mailers. It's > analogous to a power tool. All mutt is really doing is feeding the mail > to /usr/bin/sendmail, and specifying the address to which you want it > sent on the sendmail command-line. It relies upon you having a properly > configured /usr/bin/sendmail interface (which is provided by, for > example, Exim — not just Sendmail). The same result can be achieved with > a procmail recipe, or a shell script, if you have access to the raw > mail. What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? It rather seems to be an ubiquitous property, either natively, as a plugin (Thunderbird), or as configurable possibility (Claws Mail 'Actions', etc). I'd also point out that, at least in Alpine, the feature does not depend on or require the use of an external MTA such as sendmail, Exim, etc.
Swapping Drives - Sanity Check
My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. so that I can edit the fstab and create a mount point for the new drive? Hence, the request for the sanity check. Thanks in advance. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Consultant www.molecular-modeling.net (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: stracing login process with systemd?
Eduard Bloch: that was the best guess I could extract from the documentation Try some StackExchange answers. * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/477049/5132 * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/427917/5132 * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/423648/5132 * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/441831/5132 * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/500687/5132
Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:54:25 +
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Hello Jonathan,
>("-- " with the trailing space)
That's not quite enough to make it entirely valid;
The 'dash, dash, space' must be all that's on that line. Put anything
after the space, and most MUAs won't recognise it as valid.
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Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Hello, On 22/02/2019 14:39, Sam Varghese wrote: > On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:12 pm, Andrea Borgia wrote: >> Hi, Sam. >> >> Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should >> be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". >> If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this >> kernel: >> https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries > > Thank you, Andrea, and everyone else for the helpful responses. Much > appreciated. > > I think I will avoid the "G" variant; the Ryzen5 2600 is available for > $259 (Australian dollars) which I will probably buy over the weekend. Out of curiosity, in what kind computer do you plan to plug it ? Jerome > > Sam > > (Sam Varghese) >
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
Hi. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:52:37AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > The same result can be achieved with a procmail recipe, or a shell > script, if you have access to the raw mail. ... and if you do not - you're not using a proper e-mail client anyway. Reco
sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
Dear Sam
Not addressing your question, but just to point out
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 07:20:52AM +1100, Sam Varghese wrote:
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Your sig separator here ("--") does not match the common convention
for sig separators ("-- " with the trailing space), and so it is not
recognised as a signature by MUA software configured to do so. It would
be a kindness to fellow mailing list users to use the conventional sig
separator.
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Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:37:06AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: (2) Mutt has a feature that lets you send an EXACT copy of a message to a different address, preserving all of the headers and content verbatim. Mutt calls this "bouncing". If this is such a good feature, why is mutt the only agent doing it? It isn't. But it's not a common feature, in common mailers. It's analogous to a power tool. All mutt is really doing is feeding the mail to /usr/bin/sendmail, and specifying the address to which you want it sent on the sendmail command-line. It relies upon you having a properly configured /usr/bin/sendmail interface (which is provided by, for example, Exim — not just Sendmail). The same result can be achieved with a procmail recipe, or a shell script, if you have access to the raw mail. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:12 pm, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Hi, Sam. > > Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should > be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". > If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this > kernel: > https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries Thank you, Andrea, and everyone else for the helpful responses. Much appreciated. I think I will avoid the "G" variant; the Ryzen5 2600 is available for $259 (Australian dollars) which I will probably buy over the weekend. Sam (Sam Varghese)
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 08:36:06AM -, Curt wrote: [...] > Whoever came up with the idea of calling the redirection of a message a > bounce, when the term was already in use for 'Return to sender/Address > unknown/No such number/No such zone' (hi Elvis!) should be sent to bed > with no dessert. I can see how that happened: bounce is just a special case of redirection, and using the special case to mean the general /is/ a recurring (human) language pattern, after all. Perhaps that's how it happened in MUAs. First there was just a lever "bounce" -- then, programmers, as they tend to be thought "hey, we can make this much more useful if we let the user enter the address to 'bounce to'" and *poof* you got mess :-) But you're right -- in technical realms this tends to cause some confusion... Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]
On 2019-02-21, Celejar wrote: >> >> And as far as I know, fetchmail has no ability/facility to bounce a >> message. Fetchmail-6.3.26 IIRC. Locally built from tarball. > > 'Bouncing' a message is typically done by a MUA (Kmail, in your case), > not the MDA (fetchmail, in your case). Other MUAs besides mutt/neomutt > do have 'bounce' options (although they may not always be called that), > e.g., in Sylpheed, it's Message -> Redirect. > > Celejar > > Whoever came up with the idea of calling the redirection of a message a bounce, when the term was already in use for 'Return to sender/Address unknown/No such number/No such zone' (hi Elvis!) should be sent to bed with no dessert.
Re: stracing login process with systemd?
Hi. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 08:22:22AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > I had some exchange with the maintainer in the BTS but so far that's not > really fruitful. I would like to just strace the whole login process > (console or xdm) and check what's happening there around systemd > invocation, and what's failing. > > Does anyone know how to insert strace or any similar tracing utility? Don't get your hopes high. One of the (mis)features of systemd is to ptrace(2) starting services, thus rendering "I'll just strace/ltrace the thing" classic technique completely useless. > I can imagine that one could try to use kernel tracing here but that > would be a huge hammer. "perf trace" could work for you. Attaching to a getty via gdb could work too, but it'll likely screw the login process. Reco
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Hi, Sam. Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this kernel: https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries Regards, Andrea Il giorno gio 21 feb 2019 alle ore 21:31 Sam Varghese ha scritto: > I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running > Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a > year and cannot find anything on this subject. > > I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old PC > which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in > the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a > processor from the same company. > > If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed > to the list. > > Thanks, > Sam > -- > (Sam Varghese) > > >
