Re: KDE program 'klipper' is missing from Jessie to Stretch

[Keith Christian]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:39 AM Bob Weber  wrote:

> On 8/15/19 9:49 AM, Keith Christian wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> Thank you.
>
> I assume the clipboard application that installs by default on stretch can
> be removed and replaced with the (far superior, IMHO) klipper app?
>
> Or can (or should?) the two clipboard applications coexist?
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:48 PM Bob Weber  wrote:
>
>> On 8/14/19 6:27 PM, Keith Christian wrote:
>>
>> klipper was a feature-rich clipboard manager but I can't find it in Stretch.
>>
>> This is all I see:
>>
>> $ apt-cache search klipper
>> cairo-dock-clipper-plug-in - Clipper plug-in for Cairo-dock
>>
>> cairo-dock-clipper-plug-in claims to be a clone of klipper but the
>> features seem to be hidden.
>>
>> Anyone know if 'klipper' is deprecated or simply not in Debian?  Not
>> much found on web searches even targeting mail.kde.org mailing lists.
>>
>>
>> Its in plasma-workspace now.  Latest update:
>>
>> [2019-02-24] plasma-workspace 4:5.14.5.1-1 MIGRATED to testing
>>
>> It should have been installed with kde/plasma. "apt-file search klipper"
>> finds it.
>>
>>
>>
> I would be careful trying to remove klipper.  The other files in
> plasma-workspace are very important.
>
> apt-file list plasma-workspace:
>
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/gmenudbusmenuproxy
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kcheckrunning
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kcminit
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kdostartupconfig5
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/klipper
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/krunner
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/ksmserver
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/ksplashqml
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kstartupconfig5
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kuiserver5
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/plasma_waitforname
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/plasmashell
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/plasmawindowed
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startkde
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/systemmonitor
> plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/xembedsniproxy
>
> These are just the ones in /usr/bin.  If you try to remove
> plasma-workspace then kde would be gone.
>
> The new klipper seems to have plenty of options.  I use Alt-C -- Open
> klipper at mouse position  a lot (not sure if that is the default).  Makes
> it very easy to see and change what will be pasted.  I run testing here and
> didn't notice the change to the new klipper.  I see the older klipper
> package was removed back in 2015 as part of kde-workspace.
>
>
> --
>>
>>
>> *...Bob*
>>
>
> --
>
>
> *...Bob*
>


Bob,

Thanks for the extra information.

I could not see “klipper” in the process list so I assumed that was not
running.  But now I see that it actually is klipper itself.

It looks like the options are not set for full expression of klipper’s
capability, so I thought it was a clone.

Appreciate the feedback.

Keith


>

Re: webmail and email from command line

[Celejar]

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:24:49 +
loredana  wrote:

...

> secure applications, this is likely not to be a viable solution (it
> seems that google is going to forbit less secure application access
> starting November first of this year and it is already a pain to use
> it now).

What is your source for Google's plans, and how is it already a pain? I
have been using getmail and sylpheed with several Google mail accounts
for years, and it seemed pretty straightforward - just set the "allow
less secure apps" option, and then configure POP3 / SMTP normally.

Celejar

Re: webmail and email from command line

[Celejar]

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:23:23 +0200
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

...

> Elsewhere, perhaps riseup [1] is an option. It's donation-funded,
> so consider throwing some small amount into their hat.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> [1] https://riseup.net/

I think you've mentioned them before, but how seriously should we take
its politics? Say I do have some moderate techno-libertarian leanings,
but I don't quite qualify as a person who is "working on liberatory
social change" [1], or an "[ally] engaged in struggles against
patriarchy, white-supremecy, capitalism, and other forms of
oppression." [2] Is Riseup still for me?

[1] https://riseup.net/
[2] https://account.riseup.net/user/new

Celejar

Re: webmail and email from command line

[David Wright]

On Wed 14 Aug 2019 at 12:19:01 (-0600), Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> loredana  writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:00 PM  wrote:
> >
> >> [...]
> >
> >> Note that what Google calls there "less secure applications" is just
> >> marketing mumbo-jumbo to nudge users off their non-browser clients.
> >
> > I know. But knowing it, and perhaps blaiming it, is not a solution.
> >
> >> Is changing mail provider an option for you?
> >
> > Yes, not an easy one, 'though. Image writing to all your contacts,
> > human and automatic ones, and convince them to write to a new email
> > address.
> 
> For exactly that reason, years ago I bought my own domain (no, this
> isn't it -- mostly out of inertia, I still post to usenet using my old
> NMSU address) and run my own email server.

Just to make it clear, you don't have to go to the trouble of running
a mail server just because you buy a domain. A hosting service can do
this for you, so that you need do no more than read emails and manage
your inboxes through a mail client via IMAP, and send emails through
their smarthost via SMTP.

I originally bought my domain through my ISP, and it cost nothing
because it was bundled into their service. I've moved it once, to
an independent hosting service, when I changed my ISP to one that
doesn't do hosting.

Since moving continents (and ISP), I've kept the domain with the same
hosting service (in the UK). They automatically reregister it
(actually, them) automatically every two years (as they did just today).
It means no change in email addresses every time you move.

> That way I only had to do it
> one last time, and won't need to change again.
> 
> > Moreover, is this going to be a solution?
> >
> > Which provider would you suggest?
> 
> There are multiple providers out there that will work fine.  I'm on
> netfirms.com; I'm webmaster for a shotgun club
> (mesillavalleyshotgunsports.com) that uses godaddy.com. 

Cheers,
David.

Re: Emacs probs in buster: selected text not highlighted

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:04 AM Johann Spies  wrote:
...
> What does "/usr/bin/emacs --debug-init" show?

I got no messages and a normal looking blank window with a *scratch* buffer.

-Tom

Re: Migration des noms des interfaces réseau

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Migrec" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Jeudi 15 Août 2019 22:41:39
> Objet: Migration des noms des interfaces réseau
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Je veux mettre à jour ma Stretch vers Buster. Du coup je lis bien les
> notes de publication et je me lance dans la migration des anciens
> noms
> d'interface réseau.
> J'ai fais une première tentative en changeant juste les noms dans
> /etc/network/interfaces et en désactivant
> /etc/udev/rules70-persistent-net.rules : le serveur démarre
> correctement, accède bien au net. Mais je n'ai plus d'accès depuis
> mes
> postes clients...
> 
> Je suppose que c'est normal puisque je n'ai rien modifié d'autre
> (firewall, serveur dhcp)...
> 
> Peut-on sans risque modifier tous les fichiers de conf qui
> contiennent
> eth0 et eth1 pour leurs nouveaux noms ? J'ai un firewall géré avec
> fwbuilder : dois-je modifier à la main le script généré ?
> 
> Si vous avez des URL sur cette migration, je suis preneur... Merci !

bonjour,

voici un début de piste avec la doc de arch linux qui peut
s'adapter à Debian :


https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd

attention, pour éviter que le système se mélange les pinceaux, il
est conseillé de donner les adresses arp en dur dans le fichier 
de conf network de chaque carte réseau

pour les règles iptables contenant le nom du device il est 
conseillé de le remplacer par la nouvelle désignation

merci pour votre aimable attention

bien à vous
bernard

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[Brian]

On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 22:15:59 +0100, Tixy wrote:

> On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone
> > get the idea it was?
> 
> Perhaps because D-Bus stands for Desktop Bus and according to Wikipedia
> [1]
> 
>D-Bus was developed as part of the freedesktop.org project [...] to
>standardize services provided by Linux desktop environments such as
>GNOME and KDE.
> 
> It's seems quite reasonable to me for people to jump to the conclusion
> that it's not likely relevant for servers.
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus

Jumping to conclusions is the ideal way of neglecting facts and promoting
fallacious assertions. I have given two examples that challenge

  dbus "...is redundant for typical server software"

-- 
Brian.

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote:
> The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone
> get the idea it was?

Perhaps because D-Bus stands for Desktop Bus and according to Wikipedia
[1]

   D-Bus was developed as part of the freedesktop.org project [...] to
   standardize services provided by Linux desktop environments such as
   GNOME and KDE.

It's seems quite reasonable to me for people to jump to the conclusion
that it's not likely relevant for servers.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus

-- 
Tixy

Migration des noms des interfaces réseau

[Migrec]

Bonjour,

Je veux mettre à jour ma Stretch vers Buster. Du coup je lis bien les 
notes de publication et je me lance dans la migration des anciens noms 
d'interface réseau.
J'ai fais une première tentative en changeant juste les noms dans 
/etc/network/interfaces et en désactivant 
/etc/udev/rules70-persistent-net.rules : le serveur démarre 
correctement, accède bien au net. Mais je n'ai plus d'accès depuis mes 
postes clients...


Je suppose que c'est normal puisque je n'ai rien modifié d'autre 
(firewall, serveur dhcp)...


Peut-on sans risque modifier tous les fichiers de conf qui contiennent 
eth0 et eth1 pour leurs nouveaux noms ? J'ai un firewall géré avec 
fwbuilder : dois-je modifier à la main le script généré ?


Si vous avez des URL sur cette migration, je suis preneur... Merci !
--
Migrec

Configure apt-get to work through corp internet proxy

[Wilkinson, Matthew]

Hello Debian users,

I'm experimenting with Debian in an enterprise environment. We have a corp. 
Internet proxy which downloads and scans files prior to passing the files onto 
the client. 

With Debian this seems to be a problem for APT. I am able to run 'apt-get 
update' and that seems to work OK, however when I try to actually run 'apt-get 
upgrade' on Debian 10 it tries for a few seconds to download a patch for: 
'linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64', which is 47.6MB. It tries and gives up fairly 
quickly. 

   # apt-get upgrade
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   Calculating upgrade... Done
   The following packages will be upgraded:
 linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64
   1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
   Need to get 47.6 MB of archives.
   After this operation, 3,072 B disk space will be freed.
   Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
   Get:1 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security 
buster/updates/main amd64 linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 amd64 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 
[47.6 MB]
   Err:1 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security 
buster/updates/main amd64 linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 amd64 4.19.37-5+deb10u2
 Undetermined Error [IP: x.x.x.x]
E: Failed to fetch 
http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-signed-amd64/linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64_4.19.37-5+deb10u2_amd64.deb
  Undetermined Error [IP: x.x.x.x]
   E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with 
--fix-missing?

I have tried to search Google to find a way to significantly increase the 
timeout that APT has or the number of retries without any success, but I fear I 
may be doing it wrong. Here is my apt.conf:

   # cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
   Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy.domain.tld:80;;
   Acquire::http::Timeout "999";
   Acquire::https::Timeout "999";
   APT::Acquire::Retries "5";

Anyone have any experience with forcing Debian's APT to try very hard and for a 
long time while doing downloads/upgrades? If it matters I'm running Debian 10 
AMD64 on VMware vSphere.

Thanks,

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[Brian]

On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 21:05:10 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> > I wouldn't try to dissuade anyone from using last century's technology
> > if they have their heart set on it [...]
> 
> C'mon. You /know/ you're talking nonsense. Old is old, and new is new.
> Beyond that...
> 
> BTW I still use TeX, so... 1980s. Works a charm, too.

The technology I am referring to (as I think you very well know) is the
printing system. No more, no less. Nowadays that system often relies on
printer/print queue Bonjour broadcasts. Not only that, but printers have
changed considerable since lprng was conceived and it is completely
unable to handle them. Tex, on the other hand, is still able to handle
document processing.

dbus "...is redundant for typical server software" appears to deserve
some explanation.

> Use what works for you, whether old or new doesn't matter

"old" doesn't work for modern printing systems. Otherwise, I couldn't
care less what a user uses.

-- 
Brian.

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Brian wrote:

> I wouldn't try to dissuade anyone from using last century's technology
> if they have their heart set on it [...]

C'mon. You /know/ you're talking nonsense. Old is old, and new is new.
Beyond that...

BTW I still use TeX, so... 1980s. Works a charm, too.

Use what works for you, whether old or new doesn't matter

"Enterprise". Something like "mauve" database servers [1]?

Cheers

[1] https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-11-17
Also last-century. And yes, I've had my stints at enterprises.
Dilbert is almost always spot-on.

-- t


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SOLVED: Re: buster: DNS server?

[D. R. Evans]

Thanks to those who replied to my original post,
<45c61e48-0393-a413-4f7a-d88be911a...@gmail.com>; the responses gave me enough
clues to find the source of the problem.

The solution turned out to be obvious in retrospect (like so many things).

For some reason, the buster installation had not installed bind9. As soon as I
installed that package manually, DNS started to work correctly for the other
machines on the LAN.

Thanks again.

  Doc

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Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[Brian]

On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 19:14:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 05:52:39PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Those setting up a print server would likely not see a corner case here.
> 
> CUPS depends on avahi depends somehow on dbus. Try some day lprng,
> works a charm :-)

I forgot: the cups package does not depend on avahi-daemon; it is a
Recommends:. avahi-daemon does depend on dbus.

The OP is setting up a "server". Whatever he means by that is left
unsaid.

-- 
Brian.

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[Brian]

On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 19:14:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 05:52:39PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Those setting up a print server would likely not see a corner case here.
> 
> CUPS depends on avahi depends somehow on dbus. Try some day lprng,
> works a charm :-)

I wouldn't try to dissuade anyone from using last century's technology
if they have their heart set on it. At the same time, I would have a
hard time convincing an enterprise organisation (or someone with a small
home network) that lprng fits seamlessly into today's modern printer
market or the mobile world.

Mangles still squeeze water out of wet, washed linen. But spin dryers
reign supreme in many households. :)

The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone get
the idea it was? connman on a server would not be out of place. It needs
dbus.

-- 
Brian.

Re: KDE program 'klipper' is missing from Jessie to Stretch

[Bob Weber]

On 8/15/19 9:49 AM, Keith Christian wrote:

Bob,

Thank you.

I assume the clipboard application that installs by default on stretch can be 
removed and replaced with the (far superior, IMHO) klipper app?


Or can (or should?) the two clipboard applications coexist?

Keith



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:48 PM Bob Weber > wrote:


On 8/14/19 6:27 PM, Keith Christian wrote:

klipper was a feature-rich clipboard manager but I can't find it in Stretch.

This is all I see:

$ apt-cache search klipper
cairo-dock-clipper-plug-in - Clipper plug-in for Cairo-dock

cairo-dock-clipper-plug-in claims to be a clone of klipper but the
features seem to be hidden.

Anyone know if 'klipper' is deprecated or simply not in Debian?  Not
much found on web searches even targetingmail.kde.org  
  mailing lists.


Its in plasma-workspace now.  Latest update:

[2019-02-24] plasma-workspace 4:5.14.5.1-1 MIGRATED to testing

It should have been installed with kde/plasma. "apt-file search klipper"
finds it.


I would be careful trying to remove klipper.  The other files in 
plasma-workspace are very important.


apt-file list plasma-workspace:

plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/gmenudbusmenuproxy
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kcheckrunning
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kcminit
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kdostartupconfig5
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/klipper
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/krunner
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/ksmserver
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/ksplashqml
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kstartupconfig5
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/kuiserver5
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/plasma_waitforname
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/plasmashell
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/plasmawindowed
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/startkde
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/systemmonitor
plasma-workspace: /usr/bin/xembedsniproxy

These are just the ones in /usr/bin.  If you try to remove plasma-workspace then 
kde would be gone.


The new klipper seems to have plenty of options.  I use Alt-C -- Open klipper at 
mouse position  a lot (not sure if that is the default).  Makes it very easy to 
see and change what will be pasted.  I run testing here and didn't notice the 
change to the new klipper.  I see the older klipper package was removed back in 
2015 as part of kde-workspace.


-- 



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*...Bob*

Re: Debian Days 2019 Stockholm

[Luna Jernberg]

Dyker inte upp imorgon, då jag är hemma och sjuk men @Per Andersson
 (avtobiff) och @Mattias Axell  tar
över att hosta eventet, kanske dyker upp till Kista Galleria på Lördag
eftermiddag 15:00, om jag mår bättre dock men lovar inget just nu

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:01 PM Luna Jernberg 
wrote:

> Fick svar från Goto10 nu så vi kommer vara där på Fredag 16:e Augusti
> istället och inne i stan
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Luna Jernberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hejsan!
>>
>> Det blir Debian Pizza för att fira 26 års dagen i Kista Galleria från
>> 16:00 på Fredag 16:e Augusti
>>
>> Några tänkte även gå på Mcdonalds dagen efter Lördag 17:e Augusti 15:00
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay/2019#DebianDay.2F2019.2FSweden.2FStockholm.Sweden:_Stockholm
>>
>> Dök även upp ett förslag idag
>> https://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/debian/20190722-DebconfBidACC.pdf om att
>> ha Debconf i Umeå år: 2021, 2022 eller 2023
>>
>

Re: Debian Days 2019 Stockholm

[Luna Jernberg]

Dyker inte upp imorgon, då jag är hemma och sjuk men @Per Andersson
 (avtobiff) och @Mattias Axell  tar
över att hosta eventet, kanske dyker upp till Kista Galleria på Lördag
eftermiddag 15:00, om jag mår bättre dock men lovar inget just nu

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:01 PM Luna Jernberg 
wrote:

> Fick svar från Goto10 nu så vi kommer vara där på Fredag 16:e Augusti
> istället och inne i stan
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Luna Jernberg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hejsan!
>>
>> Det blir Debian Pizza för att fira 26 års dagen i Kista Galleria från
>> 16:00 på Fredag 16:e Augusti
>>
>> Några tänkte även gå på Mcdonalds dagen efter Lördag 17:e Augusti 15:00
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay/2019#DebianDay.2F2019.2FSweden.2FStockholm.Sweden:_Stockholm
>>
>> Dök även upp ett förslag idag
>> https://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/debian/20190722-DebconfBidACC.pdf om att
>> ha Debconf i Umeå år: 2021, 2022 eller 2023
>>
>

Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[tomas]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 05:52:39PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

> Those setting up a print server would likely not see a corner case here.

CUPS depends on avahi depends somehow on dbus. Try some day lprng,
works a charm :-)

Cheers
-- t


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Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

[Brian]

On Wed 14 Aug 2019 at 07:36:21 +0200, john doe wrote:

> Hi Rico, and thanks for your answer.
> 
> On 8/13/2019 9:25 PM, Reco wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:07:49PM +0200, john doe wrote:
> >> I have no plan to reboot that server, what are the pros and cons of not
> >> doing that
> >
> > Pro: keeping uptime
> > Con: keeping previous, possibly buggy, version for dbus running.
> >
> >> or how can I avoid rebooting altogether?
> >
> > dbus is not mandatory and is redundant for typical server software.
> > If you don't need it - just uninstall it. Simple as that.
> >
> 
> okay, dbus is only required when a DE (Gnome,Mate, ...) is present.
> If I'm correct, and given the fact that I don't use a DE, I could look
> at safely remove it?

You are not correct. 'apt rdepends dbus' is worth looking at.
> 
> In other words, why is dbus a dependency when no DE is installed or what
> are the corner cases when dbus is needed without a DE.

Those setting up a print server would likely not see a corner case here.

-- 
Brian. 

Re: Darse de baja y el último adiós

[Eduardo Visbal]

Que paso Miguel ya te hacia lejos amigos; por que darte mala vida por los
demas. Aunque tienes razon en lo que dices, pero a la vez veo que te
molesta la preguntadera de la gente. Mas bonito seria colocar una reglas o
crear reglamentos (si es queya no existen) o aportar alguna solucion en vez
de encontrar culpables. Eso es el trabajo en equipo, como lo es esta lista
y muchas otras comunidades Linux.

Saludos



*Eduardo VisbalLinuxero #440451http://esdebianfritto.blogspot.com/
*


El jue., 15 ago. 2019 a las 10:49, Miguel Matos ()
escribió:

> Acá[1] se encuentra uno de ellos; ¿pero por qué conformarse con solo uno?
> En Telegram hay amplias comunidades linuxeras. Solo es cuestión de
> preguntarle al mismo programa.
> - "¿Cómo?", dirás
> Simple: en la caja de búsqueda de arriba, escribes una palabra clave, que
> podría ser "gnu/linux", "linux", o "linuxero". Y ver las sugerencias
> obtenidas.
>
>
> [1] https://t.me/Debian_es
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:00 AM Eriel Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Saludos colega.
>>
>> Es una lástima que la lista esté así.
>>
>> Me pudieras tú facilitar esos grupos de telegram por favor.
>>
>> Gracias.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Miguel Matos 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Muy buenas a todos los integrantes de la lista. He decidido darme una
>> baja definitiva porque, durante los últimos 2 años, he visto un decaímiento
>> radical tanto en la calidad de la lista como en la atención facilitada.
>> Adicionalmente, se mandan ahora más mensajes totalmente #offtopic sin
>> siquiera dar especificación de ello. Por lo que mi último mensaje es este:
>> busquen mejor el apoyo de sus necesidades en los grupos de Telegram. Debian
>> tiene como dos grupos en español donde pueden recibir mejor apoyo (no
>> garantizo una mejor atención, pero sí que será mejor que la que se da acá).
>> Y con esto me retiro a Telegram.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz
>

Re: Darse de baja y el último adiós

[Paynalton]

Si un ave no rompe su huevo morirá antes de nacer.
Nosotros somos el ave y el mundo es nuestro huevo.
POR LA REVOLUCIÓN DEL MUNDO

Ciudad de México


El jue., 15 ago. 2019 a las 9:49, Miguel Matos ()
escribió:

> Acá[1] se encuentra uno de ellos; ¿pero por qué conformarse con solo uno?
> En Telegram hay amplias comunidades linuxeras. Solo es cuestión de
> preguntarle al mismo programa.
> - "¿Cómo?", dirás
> Simple: en la caja de búsqueda de arriba, escribes una palabra clave, que
> podría ser "gnu/linux", "linux", o "linuxero". Y ver las sugerencias
> obtenidas.
>
>
> [1] https://t.me/Debian_es
>

Gracias! me uno también, sólo que yo no abandono la lista. Esperaré a que
los tecnotrolls mueran de hambre y reclamaré su territorio.



> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:00 AM Eriel Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Saludos colega.
>>
>> Es una lástima que la lista esté así.
>>
>> Me pudieras tú facilitar esos grupos de telegram por favor.
>>
>> Gracias.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Miguel Matos 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Muy buenas a todos los integrantes de la lista. He decidido darme una
>> baja definitiva porque, durante los últimos 2 años, he visto un decaímiento
>> radical tanto en la calidad de la lista como en la atención facilitada.
>> Adicionalmente, se mandan ahora más mensajes totalmente #offtopic sin
>> siquiera dar especificación de ello. Por lo que mi último mensaje es este:
>> busquen mejor el apoyo de sus necesidades en los grupos de Telegram. Debian
>> tiene como dos grupos en español donde pueden recibir mejor apoyo (no
>> garantizo una mejor atención, pero sí que será mejor que la que se da acá).
>> Y con esto me retiro a Telegram.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz
>

Re: Darse de baja y el último adiós

[Miguel Matos]

Acá[1] se encuentra uno de ellos; ¿pero por qué conformarse con solo uno?
En Telegram hay amplias comunidades linuxeras. Solo es cuestión de
preguntarle al mismo programa.
- "¿Cómo?", dirás
Simple: en la caja de búsqueda de arriba, escribes una palabra clave, que
podría ser "gnu/linux", "linux", o "linuxero". Y ver las sugerencias
obtenidas.


[1] https://t.me/Debian_es

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:00 AM Eriel Perez 
wrote:

> Saludos colega.
>
> Es una lástima que la lista esté así.
>
> Me pudieras tú facilitar esos grupos de telegram por favor.
>
> Gracias.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Miguel Matos  wrote:
>
> Muy buenas a todos los integrantes de la lista. He decidido darme una baja
> definitiva porque, durante los últimos 2 años, he visto un decaímiento
> radical tanto en la calidad de la lista como en la atención facilitada.
> Adicionalmente, se mandan ahora más mensajes totalmente #offtopic sin
> siquiera dar especificación de ello. Por lo que mi último mensaje es este:
> busquen mejor el apoyo de sus necesidades en los grupos de Telegram. Debian
> tiene como dos grupos en español donde pueden recibir mejor apoyo (no
> garantizo una mejor atención, pero sí que será mejor que la que se da acá).
> Y con esto me retiro a Telegram.
>
> --
>
> Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz
>
>

-- 

Ayuda para hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://is.gd/NJIwRz

Re: KDE program 'klipper' is missing from Jessie to Stretch

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:49:12 -0600
Keith Christian  wrote:

Hello Keith,

>Or can (or should?) the two clipboard applications coexist?

IIRC (from when I installed klipper, a long, lng time ago), they
won't co-exist.  IOW, installation of klipper will require the removal
of it predecessor.

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Re: KDE program 'klipper' is missing from Jessie to Stretch

[Keith Christian]

Bob,

Thank you.

I assume the clipboard application that installs by default on stretch can
be removed and replaced with the (far superior, IMHO) klipper app?

Or can (or should?) the two clipboard applications coexist?

Keith



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:48 PM Bob Weber  wrote:

> On 8/14/19 6:27 PM, Keith Christian wrote:
>
> klipper was a feature-rich clipboard manager but I can't find it in Stretch.
>
> This is all I see:
>
> $ apt-cache search klipper
> cairo-dock-clipper-plug-in - Clipper plug-in for Cairo-dock
>
> cairo-dock-clipper-plug-in claims to be a clone of klipper but the
> features seem to be hidden.
>
> Anyone know if 'klipper' is deprecated or simply not in Debian?  Not
> much found on web searches even targeting mail.kde.org mailing lists.
>
>
> Its in plasma-workspace now.  Latest update:
>
> [2019-02-24] plasma-workspace 4:5.14.5.1-1 MIGRATED to testing
>
> It should have been installed with kde/plasma. "apt-file search klipper"
> finds it.
>
>
> --
>
>
> *...Bob*
>

Darse de baja y el último adiós

[Miguel Matos]

Muy buenas a todos los integrantes de la lista. He decidido darme una baja
definitiva porque, durante los últimos 2 años, he visto un decaímiento
radical tanto en la calidad de la lista como en la atención facilitada.
Adicionalmente, se mandan ahora más mensajes totalmente #offtopic sin
siquiera dar especificación de ello. Por lo que mi último mensaje es este:
busquen mejor el apoyo de sus necesidades en los grupos de Telegram. Debian
tiene como dos grupos en español donde pueden recibir mejor apoyo (no
garantizo una mejor atención, pero sí que será mejor que la que se da acá).
Y con esto me retiro a Telegram.

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Re: Get state when using mpc idel event

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting john doe (2019-08-15 12:40:39)
> According to the mpd protocol (1),  that is, if my understanding is
> correct, I should be able, using an idle event, to get the state
> ('state: play, stop, or pause').
> If I connect to mpd using telnet and enter status I get among other
> lines the desired line.
> 
> I'm using mpd to locally stream an internet stream with as output 'httpd'.
> The internet stream will sometime stop and I manually need to do 'mpc
> play' to restart the internet stream which is not practicle.
> To work around this, I now use a cronjob that executes 'mpc play' every
> minute:
> 
> * * * * * user mpc play
> 
> 
> I'd like to understand how idle events work and how I can get the
> desired output.
> 
> In addition of understanding how idle events work, is there a better
> approach to this?
> 
> Any input is welcome.

My guess is that MPD sees an internet stream as an endlesly continuing 
stream(!) of media, and you therefore cannot rely on MPD change of state 
for those: If the stream is hangling then that's not an "end of tune" so 
not part of MPD defined interface.


 - Jonas

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Get state when using mpc idel event

[john doe]

Hi,

According to the mpd protocol (1),  that is, if my understanding is
correct, I should be able, using an idle event, to get the state
('state: play, stop, or pause').
If I connect to mpd using telnet and enter status I get among other
lines the desired line.

I'm using mpd to locally stream an internet stream with as output 'httpd'.
The internet stream will sometime stop and I manually need to do 'mpc
play' to restart the internet stream which is not practicle.
To work around this, I now use a cronjob that executes 'mpc play' every
minute:

* * * * * user mpc play


I'd like to understand how idle events work and how I can get the
desired output.

In addition of understanding how idle events work, is there a better
approach to this?

Any input is welcome.


1)  https://www.musicpd.org/doc/html/protocol.html

--
John Doe

Re: buster: DNS server?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 14 aug 19, 14:13:06, D. R. Evans wrote:
> 
> I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to diagnose and fix the problem.

You probably want to install dnsmasq on the server.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Unicode in GIMP Text Tool.

[tomas]

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 05:26:16PM -0500, David Wright wrote:

[...]

> You're welcome to use anything from
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/07/msg00926.html

Nice post, thanks for it -- I must have missed it at a moment
of high load.

> Most of the methods I see posted have limitations (like non-VC).

> > [1] 
> > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/185349/is-there-a-universal-way-to-write-unicode-characters


...and this is surely one. It works for Gtk+ applications (doh,
I think it's spelt Gtk these days?), it doesn't for plain X, much
less for the Linux VC. Dunno about Qt.

This is indeed a sad situation. Debian goes to some lengths to
unify X and the VCs -- whereas all the "user-experience-y" GUIs
out there seem to go out of their way to break as much as they
can -- as if they were competitors for market share. I guess
some anti-patterns are just hard to unlearn.

In this context I've to thank you, David, for your heroic effort,
and thanks for writing so nicely about it!

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: Dell Inspiron 17 3000 Series 3785 problem with X

[Charlie]

Received from ernst on Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:10:55 -0400 Re: Dell
Inspiron 17 3000 Series 3785 problem with X

> On Wed, 2019-08-14 at 14:20 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 08:11:34AM -0400, ernst doubt wrote:  
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > i had sent a message to debian-laptop a few hours back, but all
> > > i've
> > > seen so far is one response (suggesting i use q4os). i'm pretty
> > > committed to using debian directly though (at least until i've
> > > tried an
> > > awful lot more things).
> > > 
> > > After installing buster, this brand new laptop of mine seems to
> > > hang on
> > > X (GDM) starting -- after briefly showing a flashing underscore
> > > char in
> > > the top left corner of the screen, it drops back to command-line
> > > output
> > > (but doesn't allow me to login).  
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > It seems that your X server is giving up for some reason.
> > 
> > Not a graphics expert here, but you may get some hints by inpecting
> > the X log file (called typically Xorg.0.log -- it usually lives in
> > /var/log or perhaps in your home directory. Towards the end, you
> > might find some lines tagged with (EE) -- those are errors.
> > 
> > The content of that file might be of help to folks around here to
> > diagnose your problem.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > -- tomás  
> 
> 
> Thanks for all the help folks. i managed to solve it on my own. Pretty
> sure it was the linux-firmware-nonfree package that did it.
> 
> best,
> ~e

I stayed away from AMD Ryzen™ 5 2500U Mobile Processor with Radeon
after what I read about it, but did get a laptop with AMD graphics.
Probably will never do that again,

Installed Buster as legacy when it would not install EFI.

Required all these to to have it stop locking up:

firmware-linux 
firmware-linux-nonfree 
libdrm-amdgpu1 
xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
llvm

Found them in various discussions and information on the web.

Maybe that will help someone else.

Charlie

East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc..
 http://www.egwildlife.com.au/

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