Re: Question sur graveur de CD ou dvd

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original - 

> De: "Simeone Dominique" 
> À: "ML Debian User French" 
> Envoyé: Samedi 24 Août 2019 20:10:07
> Objet: Question sur graveur de CD ou dvd

> Bonsoir,

> j'ai cherché un graveur de cd sur debian 10 sans succès.

> Quelqu'un aurait une idée?

> Bien cordialement.

> Mr.Dominique Simeone

bonjour,

quel est le gestionnaire de bureau utilisé ?

pour xfce : xfburn
pour gnome & co : brasero
pour kde : k3b

ligne de commande : wodim

merci pour votre aimable attention

bien à vous
bernard

Re: How good is AI?

[John Hasler]

bw writes:
> If there were such a bot and it passed the test, from whom would we
> hear about it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_Prize
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: The AI Problem, historical perspective

[Celejar]

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 20:35:46 -0500
John Hasler  wrote:

> There was a time when it was generally accepted that computers playing
> chess at the grandmaster level would be proof of strong AI.  Every time
> we think we've made an advance towards AI, it turns out that AI is whatever
> it is that computers can't do yet.

http://nomodes.com/Larry_Tesler_Consulting/Adages_and_Coinages.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

Celejar

Re: How good is AI?

[John Hasler]

doug writes:
> I haven't heard of a 'bot that could pass the Turning test, as yet,
> have you?

It can be plausibly argued that ELIZA passed the Turing test.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test#ELIZA_and_PARRY
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Problemas con Servicio NTP en Debian 10 (Buster)

[Eduardo R . Barrera Pérez]

 Hola gente, estoy haciando pruebas con debian 10 y NTP no quiere iniciar,
me da este error:

root@pdc:/etc# /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[] Restarting ntp (via systemctl): ntp.serviceJob for ntp.service
failed because the control process exited with error code.
See "systemctl status ntp.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
 failed!
root@pdc:/etc# systemctl status ntp.service
● ntp.service - Network Time Service
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ntp.service; enabled; vendor preset:
enabled)
   Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2019-08-24 14:06:38 CDT; 3s
ago
 Docs: man:ntpd(8)
  Process: 999 ExecStart=/usr/lib/ntp/ntp-systemd-wrapper (code=exited,
status=226/NAMESPACE)

ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: Starting Network Time Service...
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[999]: ntp.service: Failed to set up mount
namespacing: Permission denied
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[999]: ntp.service: Failed at step NAMESPACE
spawning /usr/lib/ntp/ntp-systemd-wrapper: Permission denied
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: ntp.service: Control process exited,
code=exited, status=226/NAMESPACE
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: ntp.service: Failed with result
'exit-code'.
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: Failed to start Network Time Service.

alguien tiene una solución???


Saludos...

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-08-24 at 21:16, John Hasler wrote:

> http://www.electoral-vote.com/ comes up fine here on Firefox 60.8.0.

Naturally enough.

> It wants to load script from itself, Twitter, and Addthis (I don't
> let it, of course).  It doesn't seem to want to set any cookies, but
> you might try clearing your cookies and cache anyway.

Searching Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy -> Show Cookies... for
'electoral' finds no results, so I don't think there's anything to
clear. I'm certainly not going to clear my cookies en masse just for
this, there's too much else that I probably want to keep that's stored
in them.

I might try clearing my cache at some point, but I think it's all
expired multiple times since this problem first manifested, anyway.

> Sometimes sites won't load because you have an old and/or corrupted
> cookie that they set.  This is a bug in their code, of course, but
> telling them so is useless.

True enough, but I think a false trail in this case.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: How good is AI?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 08/24/2019 07:56 PM, bw wrote:

In-Reply-To: 


Larry Martell 
No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene. No human is even
good enough to be like Gene.


I would have to disagree.  I recall back in early 1990's I got ahold of a
little freeware bot called 'Chat With Lisa'
(https://archives.scovetta.com/pub/fehq/BBSDoorGames/lisa14.zip) on my
BBS.  That bot prog was extremely intelligent, and could hold a decent
conversation, although at the time it was of course only text/response.
I fooled dozens of people with that door, using it as 'page sysop' on the
BBS.  I can only imagine how far the technology has progreesed since
then...

I actually fell in love with that bot once or twice, she could even send
pics.  I knew she was fake, but dang she had personality!!

Have fun,
bw


I haven't heard of a 'bot that could pass the Turning test, as yet, have 
you?


--doug

Re: The AI Problem, historical perspective

[John Hasler]

I wrote:
> I doubt that anyone working in the AI field has ever taken Asimov's
> Three Laws seriously.

Gene writes:
> And that scares the hell outta me, John.

That's not what I mean.  The Three Laws are statements of moral
principles. As such they make a whole raft of implicit assumptions that
you don't notice because you *are* a human being. They become vague and
contradictory when you try to reduce them to logic.  People designing
robots should think about the subject matter of the laws (but that's
just morality: nothing in particular to do with robots) but it's
impossible to implement the Three Laws in software.

They were great stories, but they really have no bearing on actual AI
research.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: The AI Problem, historical perspective

[John Hasler]

There was a time when it was generally accepted that computers playing
chess at the grandmaster level would be proof of strong AI.  Every time
we think we've made an advance towards AI, it turns out that AI is whatever
it is that computers can't do yet.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: The AI Problem, historical perspective

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 21:06:27 John Hasler wrote:

> I doubt that anyone working in the AI field has ever taken Asimov's
> Three Laws seriously.

And that scares the hell outta me, John.

Just like having an MBA degree. Anything you don't get caught doing is 
A-OK.

So its my job as chief operator at a tv station to see to it the promo's 
can't be construed as payola. I've stopped and destroyed several 
instances of that.

GSM's are often MBA's. And would like to think they can call the owner 
and have me fired for insubordination. But their toast allways lands 
jelly side down. Thats led to quite a bit of mirth at their expense.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: The AI Problem, historical perspective

[Nicholas Geovanis]

I dont detect a failure of vision causing the problems you mention. I
detect "AI" in the service of attaining cash inflow.
Second, i like what Feigenbaum said about AI some time ago. It is actually
a deep remark: Every time we think we made an advance towards AI, it turns
out that we only wrote a good program.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 7:39 PM bw  wrote:

> If we start back at the science fiction beginning of the idea, we see that
> Asimov really did not anticipate the implications of AI impersonating
> human intelligence.  Some of his stories did have robots/androids that
> impersonated humans, but ignored the fundamentals... robots should
> disclose themselves upon demand.  It should be a basic law.
>
> This failure of vision IMO has led to many of the problems we now are
> faced with, like, How to stop Robocalls?  WTF do we do when the grid goes
> down and the computer won't cooperate??  Why does the bank keep saying I
> have three last names?, etc..
>
> It's off-topic, so I alopogize.  I thought some of the non-AI readers may
> find it interesting.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
>
>

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[John Hasler]

http://www.electoral-vote.com/ comes up fine here on Firefox 60.8.0. It
wants to load script from itself, Twitter, and Addthis (I don't let it,
of course).  It doesn't seem to want to set any cookies, but you might
try clearing your cookies and cache anyway.  Sometimes sites won't load
because you have an old and/or corrupted cookie that they set.  This is
a bug in their code, of course, but telling them so is useless.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-08-24 at 20:57, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 24 August 2019 20:48:37 The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2019-08-24 at 15:48, Brian wrote:

>>> This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it
>>> is displayed on any other computer on the internet, including
>>> yours (which you didn't say).
>>> 
>>> The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a 
>>> result of the GH effect.
>> 
>> FWIW, I get similar-sounding behaviors with seemingly-arbitrary
>> sites on my own primary machine; I've always chalked it up to a
>> fweird bug in Firefox, both because it always works through other
>> channels (other browsers on the same machine, wget on the same
>> machine, Firefox on another machine) and because upgrading Firefox
>> to a new version usually fixes it.

>> Currently, the only place I'm seeing this is 
>> http://www.electoral-vote.com/,
> 
> which, fwiw, works just fine here.

Well, yes, I'd expect that. Whatever is causing this to break (as I
said, I suspect something in the Firefox profile) is clearly
per-machine; this even works fine for me in Firefox on another computer
on the same network.

Similarly, I haven't bothered checking the URL you gave, because I'd
expect it to work just fine for me even if it fails for you - just as
I'd expect this URL to work for you, even though it fails for me.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: The AI Problem, historical perspective

[John Hasler]

I doubt that anyone working in the AI field has ever taken Asimov's
Three Laws seriously.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 20:50:25 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > And I'd like to be able to at least get an error message giving me a
> > clue what to do when at least 25% of the news sites I visit are
> > similarly blank pages.
>
> In addition to add-ons such as NoScript, take a look at the settings
> in Preferences->Privacy in Firefox.  These sites want to pull
> in scripts from dozens of sites as well as setting trackers and
> storing cookies and site data on your machine.   They usually work ok
> without most of it but there's often some they just can't live
> without.  It's inconceivable to the Web designers that you might want
> to simply read the text.  They're certain that you need an "enhanced
> user experience".

An attitude I'd cheerfully beat them with, if I was 65 years younger.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 20:48:37 The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2019-08-24 at 15:48, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>
> >> [... some page not showing ...]
> >>
> >> I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't
> >> to put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us
> >> these days :-)
> >
> > This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
> > displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
> > (which you didn't say).
> >
> > The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
> > result of the GH effect.
>
> FWIW, I get similar-sounding behaviors with seemingly-arbitrary sites
> on my own primary machine; I've always chalked it up to a fweird bug
> in Firefox, both because it always works through other channels (other
> browsers on the same machine, wget on the same machine, Firefox on
> another machine) and because upgrading Firefox to a new version
> usually fixes it.
>
> When it happens, Firefox just shows the page as plain blank; even
> "View Source" shows an empty document.
>
> It hadn't occurred to me to check the "Web Developer" console as
> suggested a few posts back, and I'm not entirely positive it would
> work as described / expected in my somewhat outdated Firefox, but
> that's a good suggestion and I'll want to pursue it for possible
> further clues.
>
> Currently, the only place I'm seeing this is
> http://www.electoral-vote.com/,

which, fwiw, works just fine here.

> and I've been seeing it there for at 
> least a large fraction of a year and possibly considerably more.
> (Because I haven't managed to wrangle extensions, etc., to the point
> where I'm willing to upgrade Firefox.)
>
> So, depending on what the underlying behavior of what I'm seeing is
> and (to some possible extent) on what browser version Gene is using,
> it's entirely possible that this is a genuine weirdity and not just
> something unique to Gene's (I think) somewhat idiosyncratic
> environment.
>
>
> One thing I haven't tried is a clean Firefox profile, but I suspect
> that that would fix it just as well as a Firefox upgrade would. If so,
> then very likely something in one of Firefox's semi-opaque binary
> configuration files (most if not all of which I think are SQLite
> databases, nowadays) has gotten corrupted, and figuring out what could
> lead to a way to fix it without that clean wipe.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> And I'd like to be able to at least get an error message giving me a
> clue what to do when at least 25% of the news sites I visit are
> similarly blank pages.

In addition to add-ons such as NoScript, take a look at the settings in
Preferences->Privacy in Firefox.  These sites want to pull
in scripts from dozens of sites as well as setting trackers and storing
cookies and site data on your machine.   They usually work ok without
most of it but there's often some they just can't live without.  It's
inconceivable to the Web designers that you might want to simply read
the text.  They're certain that you need an "enhanced user experience".
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-08-24 at 15:48, Brian wrote:

> On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> 
>> [... some page not showing ...]
>> 
>> I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't
>> to put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us
>> these days :-)
> 
> This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is 
> displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours 
> (which you didn't say).
> 
> The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a 
> result of the GH effect.

FWIW, I get similar-sounding behaviors with seemingly-arbitrary sites on
my own primary machine; I've always chalked it up to a fweird bug in
Firefox, both because it always works through other channels (other
browsers on the same machine, wget on the same machine, Firefox on
another machine) and because upgrading Firefox to a new version usually
fixes it.

When it happens, Firefox just shows the page as plain blank; even "View
Source" shows an empty document.

It hadn't occurred to me to check the "Web Developer" console as
suggested a few posts back, and I'm not entirely positive it would work
as described / expected in my somewhat outdated Firefox, but that's a
good suggestion and I'll want to pursue it for possible further clues.

Currently, the only place I'm seeing this is
http://www.electoral-vote.com/, and I've been seeing it there for at
least a large fraction of a year and possibly considerably more.
(Because I haven't managed to wrangle extensions, etc., to the point
where I'm willing to upgrade Firefox.)

So, depending on what the underlying behavior of what I'm seeing is and
(to some possible extent) on what browser version Gene is using, it's
entirely possible that this is a genuine weirdity and not just something
unique to Gene's (I think) somewhat idiosyncratic environment.


One thing I haven't tried is a clean Firefox profile, but I suspect that
that would fix it just as well as a Firefox upgrade would. If so, then
very likely something in one of Firefox's semi-opaque binary
configuration files (most if not all of which I think are SQLite
databases, nowadays) has gotten corrupted, and figuring out what could
lead to a way to fix it without that clean wipe.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 19:31:13 Larry Martell wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:27 PM bw  wrote:
> > In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.ghesk...@shentel.net>
> >
> > > Greetings folks;
> >
> > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> >
> > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > --
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > respectable.
> > > - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > Genes Web page 
> >
> > Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open
> > them.
> >
> > My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue
> > scam. The post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!
>
> No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene. No human is even
> good enough to be like Gene.

Thanks for the flowers Larry.

BTW, Larry Martel is one of the better python programmers on this ball of 
rock and water. But he doesn't work for free. I am proud to call Larry 
and Carol friends for the last what, 15+ years? Probably longer. 

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Buster Installation - Partition phase - Inode option to choose - SSD or Mechanical HD

[Rick Thomas]

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 4:18 PM, l...@contacte.xyz wrote:
> 
> What would be the «best» to choose for an SSD in an usual desktop environment 
> ?
> What would be the «best» to choose for an mechanical HD in an usual desktop 
> environment ?

I don’t think there’s any difference between SSD and spinning disk (for the 
particular question of how many inodes are needed).

If your planned usage is “typical” then, for either type of hardware, “typical 
usage” is the right choice.  If you have a particular use in mind that is known 
to involve lots of small files, then “news” might be more appropriate.

As a real-world example, here’s a system I set up a couple of years ago (so 
it’s had enough time to reach an equilibrium state) with “typical usage” (the 
default).


rbthomas@monk:~$ df -ih | grep -v tmpfs
FilesystemInodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
udev3.0M   580  3.0M1% /dev
/dev/mapper/monk--vg-root   1.8M  258K  1.5M   15% /
/dev/sda161K   337   61K1% /boot
/dev/mapper/monk--vg-home   5.3M   43K  5.2M1% /home
/dev/mapper/monk-download50M   374   50M1% /download
/dev/mapper/monk-export  25M18   25M1% /export


Enjoy!
Rick

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 19:08:50 bw wrote:

> In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.ghesk...@shentel.net>
>
> > Greetings folks;
>
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arr
>ested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
>
> > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable.
> > - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page 
>
> Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open
> them.
>
> My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue scam.
> The post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!

A bot?  Thats a hoot. I am an 84 yo retired broadcast engineer, trying to 
catch up on the local news after spending the last 2 weeks in the shop 
with a few yards of hoses, wires, etc because of a heart attack. Not 
fully fixed yet, needs a new aortic valve.

 And I'd like to be able to at least get an error message giving me a 
clue what to do when at least 25% of the news sites I visit are 
similarly blank pages. That story is from about 50 miles south of me. So 
of course I am interested in it.

Plain to see that you get much of your exercise jumping to conclusions.
 
> Good Luck,
> bw


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Larry Martell]

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:27 PM bw  wrote:

> In-Reply-To: <201908241021.59396.ghesk...@shentel.net>
>
> > Greetings folks;
> >
> >
>
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> >
> > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable.
> > - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page 
>
> Kinda spammy, I did NOT click any of the the links or try to open them.
>
> My guess is you are a bot, or some type of otherwise ad revenue scam. The
> post is spam?  You're really good at what you do!


No programmer is good enough to make a bot like Gene. No human is even good
enough to be like Gene.

>
>
>

Buster Installation - Partition phase - Inode option to choose - SSD or Mechanical HD

[list]

Hello All.

Thank you for any help, advises, explanation one's can provide.

When installing a Debian - Buster here.
When it's time to partition/format the drive one can choose the  «usage» 
of the partition which affect the Inodes.

There is :

-Typical usage” (which is “standard” by default)
- "News” (lots of inodes),
- “largefile” (fewer inodes),
- “largefile4” (even fewer inodes)

What would be the «best» to choose for an SSD in an usual desktop 
environment ?
What would be the «best» to choose for an mechanical HD in an usual 
desktop environment ?


Files system is EXT4.

If you have any link/url to read about an learn more to make the best 
choice for any circumstance it would be great.


Regards.

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 16:18:30 Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 01:10:36PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 August 2019 12:43:39 Tixy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-direct
> > > >or-a
> > > >
> > > > > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You
> > > > > got
> > > >
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > > > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> > > >
> > > > IDK, how do I check?
> > >
> > > Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like
> > > NoScript,
> >
> > Stuff like noscript is installed but all that is disabled
>
> Noscript might have become active again if you updated to
> Debian 10 buster recently.
>
Sorry, no. Stretch yet.
> I installed noscript many years ago and tried it out but I guess back
> then it felt a little annoying to have to explicitly allow all the
> various pages so I allowed javascript by default.  (i.e. noscript
> stayed installed but wasn't doing anything.)  A few weeks ago I
> finally updated to buster and I noticed that it had gone back to
> blocking javascript by default.  Since then I've been trying the
> block-by-default setup and I like it so I've kept it like that.
>
> So with noscript active, when I try the site you mention, all I get is
> also a blank page.
>
> On the same line with my address bar, to the right, there is an icon
> for noscript, showing that it is blocking some sites.  By clicking on
> that icon, I can try to temporarily or permanently allow code from any
> of those sites.  Then I reload the page.
>
> For your blank site, I had to allow abc4news.com and
> sinclairstoryline.com.  Those two were enough for the story to appear
> (though I allow some sites by default, so I am not sure if there is
> something else you need to allow).
>
> Of course, when selectively allowing only an incomplete subset of the
> javascript, one can never be sure if there is more "meaningful/useful
> content" on the page that you don't see but are not aware of missing.
> But in this case the story looks like it's there and even has a
> picture, so I assume the rest of the javascript will not add content
> to this news item.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[tomas]

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:57:10PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:58:43 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > You can be smug as you want, until... some thing stops working at
> > your end. Then you come here :)
> 
> The very last thing I would post here about is a non-working URL.

(I hope you saw my tongue-in-cheek in spite of the wrong trigram
There, here is it ;-P

More seriously (but only somewhat) : are there any working URLs
still out there?

Cheers
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Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Brian]

On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:58:43 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 08:48:45PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > 
> > > [... some page not showing ...]
> > > 
> > > I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
> > > put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
> > > days :-)
> > 
> > This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
> > displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
> > (which you didn't say).
> 
> I didn't even try: my default web browser doesn't "do" javascript,
> so I'm nearly 100% sure it will show a white hole too.

There is more than you who have tried the URL. Nobody with a browser
doing javascript has backed up the GH observation. The site is fine.
Its the usual user cock-up.

> > The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
> > result of the GH effect.
> 
> You can be smug as you want, until... some thing stops working at
> your end. Then you come here :)

The very last thing I would post here about is a non-working URL.

> 
> Cheers
> -- t

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Selim T . Erdoğan]

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 01:10:36PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 24 August 2019 12:43:39 Tixy wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> > >
> > > > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > > > >
> > > > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got
> > >
> > > that
> > >
> > > > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> > >
> > > IDK, how do I check?
> >
> > Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like NoScript,
> 
> Stuff like noscript is installed but all that is disabled

Noscript might have become active again if you updated to 
Debian 10 buster recently.  

I installed noscript many years ago and tried it out but I guess back 
then it felt a little annoying to have to explicitly allow all the 
various pages so I allowed javascript by default.  (i.e. noscript stayed 
installed but wasn't doing anything.)  A few weeks ago I finally 
updated to buster and I noticed that it had gone back to blocking 
javascript by default.  Since then I've been trying the block-by-default 
setup and I like it so I've kept it like that.

So with noscript active, when I try the site you mention, all I get is 
also a blank page.

On the same line with my address bar, to the right, there is an icon for 
noscript, showing that it is blocking some sites.  By clicking on that 
icon, I can try to temporarily or permanently allow code from any of those
sites.  Then I reload the page.

For your blank site, I had to allow abc4news.com and 
sinclairstoryline.com.  Those two were enough for the story to appear
(though I allow some sites by default, so I am not sure if there is 
something else you need to allow).

Of course, when selectively allowing only an incomplete subset of the 
javascript, one can never be sure if there is more "meaningful/useful 
content" on the page that you don't see but are not aware of missing.  
But in this case the story looks like it's there and even has a picture, 
so I assume the rest of the javascript will not add content to this news 
item.

Re: [Totalement HS] Re: Avis sur imprimante/scanner/photocopieur

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 8/24/19 5:09 PM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:



On 8/24/19 5:01 PM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:



On 8/24/19 2:28 PM, Haricophile wrote:



Puisque on est au socio-politico-philosophique, la problématique de

l'argent est à peu près le même que celui des logiciels libre, à savoir
la problématique principale de notre glorieuse société occidentale
actuelle et le canon du libéralisme : L'inversion des valeurs.



Cent pour cent d'accord, mais ton propos n'est pas original. J'ai 
cité des textes d'environ 2000 ans (les Evangiles) les mentionnant 
aussi. Et Léon Bloy . 
J'aurais pu citer aussi Teilard de Chardin 
 ou Olivier 
Clément 
 
(c'était un ami et un co-paroissien, après avoir été mon prof 
d'histoire en 1^ere , il m'a fait l'honneur d'être le témoin de mon 
mariage religieux en 1978, et je suis encore lié d'amitié avec sa 
famille) ou Bartholomé 1^er 
, 
son prédécesseur Athénagoras 
, 
et plein d'autres comme les saints Tikhon 
, Martin de Tours 
, Benoit 
, Basile 
 (mon 
saint patron) et ses copains Jean 
 & Grégoire 
, Marie 
Skobtsova  (morte en 
martyre en 1945), ou tous les papes que j'ai connus adulte (y compris 
l'actuel, François 
). Et il y a 
aussi Marx (Das Kapital ; 
quand j'étais en terminale C, en 1977, c'était une lecture 
obligatoire au programme de philo), Lenine (le capitalisme vendra la 
corde pour se pendre 
), et même très 
récemment Tirole (Economie des biens communs 
).



Cette inversion des valeurs a été dénoncée aussi bien par le 
christianisme social 
 que par la 
plupart des membres de la Résistance 
 
(y compris la plupart des gaullistes et des communistes qui en 
étaient membre; en particulier De Gaulle lui-même). Et aussi Michel 
Rocard et pas mal d'autres...


A 60 ans, je trouve que notre société actuelle a la mémoire bien trop 
courte




Et j'ai oublié de citer Emmanuel Mounier 
 et le personalisme 
 (idéologiquement aux 
antipodes du capitalisme actuel, bien plus encore qu'un certain 
socialisme ou le communisme n'ont jamais été en France) que j'ai 
pourtant lu avec passion quand j'étais jeune (entre 20 et 30 ans).



Peut-être qu'un Alzeimer 
 me guette déjà (à 
60 ans, c'est quand même :-( un peu jeune) et pourrait expliquer cet 
oubli. Ca craint, :'( car j'ai vu ma propre mère en mourir (à l'âge de 
70 ans, mais les premiers symptômes étaient déjà perceptibles par son 
entourage vers ses 60 ans).



Librement!

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opinions are mine only - les opinions sont seulement miennes
Bourg La Reine, France; 
(mobile phone: cf my web page / voir ma page web...)

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[tomas]

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 08:48:45PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 
> > [... some page not showing ...]
> > 
> > I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
> > put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
> > days :-)
> 
> This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
> displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
> (which you didn't say).

I didn't even try: my default web browser doesn't "do" javascript,
so I'm nearly 100% sure it will show a white hole too.

> The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
> result of the GH effect.

You can be smug as you want, until... some thing stops working at
your end. Then you come here :)

Cheers
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Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Erwan David]

Le 24/08/2019 à 20:40, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Saturday 24 August 2019 14:11:26 Mark Allums wrote:
>
>> On 8/24/19 9:21 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Greetings folks;
>>>
>>> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
>>> rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
>>>
>>> All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help.
>> ad-blocker blocker?  (site works for me)
>> Mark
> All disabled.
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


I get allblank with javascript disabled, the article with javascript
activated. It's one of those JS only site

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Brian]

On Sat 24 Aug 2019 at 21:15:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> [... some page not showing ...]
> 
> I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
> put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
> days :-)

This page is displayed on my machine; no problem. I imagine it is
displayed on any other computer on the internet, including yours
(which you didn't say).

The inability for normal things to work, even a simple URL, is a
result of the GH effect.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Question sur graveur de CD ou dvd

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 8/24/19 9:39 PM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:



On 8/24/19 9:24 PM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:



On 8/24/19 8:10 PM, Simeone Dominique wrote:

Bonsoir,

j'ai cherché un graveur de cd sur debian 10 sans succès.

Quelqu'un aurait une idée?



La commande apt search cdrom donne plein d'idées.



La commande man apt devrait expliquer l'utilisation de apt (et bien 
sûr man man explique celle de man). Il fautdrait peut-être 
préalablement installer les quasi-indispensables paquets Debian 
manpages et apt. Le mot man évoque à la fois /manuel/ (scolaire) et 
manual (en anglais). Et aussi apt --help.


Je voulais évidemment dire: essayer la commande 
 apt --help.



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opinions are mine only - les opinions sont seulement miennes
Bourg La Reine, France; 
(mobile phone: cf my web page / voir ma page web...)

Re: Question sur graveur de CD ou dvd

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 8/24/19 9:24 PM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:



On 8/24/19 8:10 PM, Simeone Dominique wrote:

Bonsoir,

j'ai cherché un graveur de cd sur debian 10 sans succès.

Quelqu'un aurait une idée?



La commande apt search cdrom donne plein d'idées.



La commande man apt devrait expliquer l'utilisation de apt (et bien sûr 
man man explique celle de man). Il fautdrait peut-être préalablement 
installer les quasi-indispensables paquets Debian manpages et apt. Le 
mot man évoque à la fois /manuel/ (scolaire) et manual (en anglais). Et 
aussi apt --help. Les inventeurs d'Unix 
 étaient flemmards 
et tapaient ces commandes sur de veritables télétypes 
, bruyants, 
coûteux et forts lents (pas dans des émulateurs de terminaux; c'était 
musculairement et digitalement fatiguant de taper sur ces choses, que 
j'ai eu le privilège de pratiquer - j'ai 60 ans et je code depuis 1974); 
c'est pourquoi le nom des commandes Unix tend à être court et abrégé 
(d'un mot anglais, évidemment).


Le verbe anglais /to search/ correspond à notre /chercher/. Et donc 
/research/ y désigne /la recherche/.


Librement

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opinions are mine only - les opinions sont seulement miennes
Bourg La Reine, France; 
(mobile phone: cf my web page / voir ma page web...)

Re: To burn cd or dvd with debian 10

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Simeone Dominique wrote:
> I search about of software but i didn't find for burn cd or dvd?

See
  https://wiki.debian.org/CDDVDTools
for a list of links.

The "Graphical" programs are supposed to explain themselves.
(If not, then its hard to help with them via mail, i fear.)

The "Command Line" programs normally need reading of the manual pages or
search for examples in the web.
If you describe more exactly what you want to achieve, maybe i can make
a proposal. E.g. which files do you want to bring onto your first medium
of what type (CD, DVD, BD) ? How do you plan to read or use this medium ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[tomas]

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 02:44:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

[... some page not showing ...]

I just would add this page to my (enormous) blacklist. One hash't to
put up with all the abominations the web tries to throw at us these
days :-)

But what you can do is:

- enter the offending page's URL in the URL box and press ENTER.
  The offending whiteness shows (who knows, perhaps it's a good
  choice, after all :)

- go to the Firefox menu (this quaint thingy usually at the top
  right with three parallel lines, you know).

- Clicking on that thingy, a menu should display. One of the
  entries is named "Web Developer" (for me it's third-last).
  Click on that.

- A sub-menu opens. Choose there "Network" (about sixth to seventh
  down)

Now the window splits (perhaps, instead, a second window opens,
depending on some mysterious browser settings). This new (sub-)
window will show the network traffic happening on a request.

Perhaps you should activate the tab "All" or something. Play
a bit around...

Now reload your page. To force reload regardless of cache state
(you /want/ to do that) hit SHIFT-CTRL-R.

Then you'll see a list of all the requests made and their results
in your network monitor (sub-)window. Failing requests (possibly
at the root of your problem?) should be marked red.

Enjoy the debugging ride :-)

Cheers
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To burn cd or dvd with debian 10

[Simeone Dominique]

Good evening,
I search about of software but i didn't find for burn cd or dvd?
Someone, does't have an idea about this?
Best wishes

Mr.Dominique Simeone

Problemas con Servicio NTP en Debian 10 (Buster)

[Eduardo R . Barrera Pérez]

Hola gente, estoy haciando pruebas con debian 10 y NTP no quiere 
iniciar, me da este error:


root@pdc:/etc# /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[] Restarting ntp (via systemctl): ntp.serviceJob for ntp.service 
failed because the control process exited with error code.

See "systemctl status ntp.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
 failed!
root@pdc:/etc# systemctl status ntp.service
● ntp.service - Network Time Service
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ntp.service; enabled; vendor 
preset: enabled)
   Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2019-08-24 14:06:38 
CDT; 3s ago

 Docs: man:ntpd(8)
  Process: 999 ExecStart=/usr/lib/ntp/ntp-systemd-wrapper (code=exited, 
status=226/NAMESPACE)


ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: Starting Network Time Service...
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[999]: ntp.service: Failed to set up mount 
namespacing: Permission denied
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[999]: ntp.service: Failed at step NAMESPACE 
spawning /usr/lib/ntp/ntp-systemd-wrapper: Permission denied
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: ntp.service: Control process exited, 
code=exited, status=226/NAMESPACE
ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: ntp.service: Failed with result 
'exit-code'.

ago 24 14:06:38 pdc systemd[1]: Failed to start Network Time Service.

alguien tiene una solución???


Saludos...

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 14:16:31 Mark Allums wrote:

> > Addons, plugins are all disabled. No change.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Try clearing cache.

Just did. No change.

> Maybe reboot your router.

Twice this morning for other reasons udev related. udev haws a hate/hate 
relationship with heyu.

> Running a pi-hole?  

Nope.

> Restart it.
>
> Mark


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 14:11:26 Mark Allums wrote:

> On 8/24/19 9:21 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings folks;
> >
> > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> >
> > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
>
> ad-blocker blocker?  (site works for me)
> Mark

All disabled.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Mark Allums]

Addons, plugins are all disabled. No change.

Cheers, Gene Heskett



Try clearing cache.  Maybe reboot your router.  Running a pi-hole? 
Restart it.


Mark

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Mark Allums]

On 8/24/19 9:21 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings folks;

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics

All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.

Thanks for any help.


ad-blocker blocker?  (site works for me)
Mark

Question sur graveur de CD ou dvd

[Simeone Dominique]

Bonsoir,
j'ai cherché un graveur de cd sur debian 10 sans succès.
Quelqu'un aurait une idée?
Bien cordialement.

Mr.Dominique Simeone

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 12:43:39 Tixy wrote:

> On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> >
> > > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > > >
> > > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> > >
> > > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got
> >
> > that
> >
> > > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> >
> > IDK, how do I check?
>
> Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like NoScript,

Stuff like noscript is installed but all that is disabled

> so I'll assume you didn't. Also, seems unlikely that you'd have
> accidentally disabled javascript globally, just googled for how you do
> that...
>
No, about:config, javascript it's all "modified" and "true" as of half an 
hour ago.  And I've just went thru the list and restored all selections 
to default. No change.

> In the Firefox address/search bar, enter the address about:config and
> then in the search bar on that config page search for
> javascript.enabled. On mine is says that config is 'default boolean
> true' which I assume means that the value is the default (i.e. not
> been changed) and it's a boolean (true/false) value set to true.

Addons, plugins are all disabled. No change.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: ttf-mscore fonts and contrib repos

[Christopher Marlow]

On 8/23/19 11:17 PM, Richard Hector wrote:

 From your other responses, I think you've got it. But please, make sure
you understand what you're trying to achieve, and what the lines mean,
rather than relying on others to provide every last detail.



I think I understand. I am new to debian from the Ubuntu world...
So to sum it up... I was wanting the non contrib repos so I could download the 
TTF-MSCORE-Installer fonts aka Windows fonts. And then the other posters
were telling me to remove the src source line because I wouldn't need them 
unless I was downloading packages to install them.

I think thats all to sum it up.. If I missed anything let me know.



--
Thanks in advance!
Chris

ch...@cwm030.com

Re: latest snort for debian stable

[Sven Hartge]

Eero Volotinen  wrote:

> Is there any reliable source that offers latest 2.9.x snort for debian 10?
> Or instructions how to package it. compiling snort from source does not
> sound good solution.

Because of the constant updates by upstream to snort and its rules
files, it really is a pain to package and distribute.

I have long given up on using any packaged versions, because they are
outdated so quickly.

snort is one of the very few packages I compile directly from source
because it is less painful than using any packaged version.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Tixy]

On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 12:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > 
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> > >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> > >
> > > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
> >
> > Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got
> that
> > disabled or blocked with a plugin?
> 
> IDK, how do I check?

Well, you'd know if you'd installed a specific plugin like NoScript, so
I'll assume you didn't. Also, seems unlikely that you'd have
accidentally disabled javascript globally, just googled for how you do
that...

In the Firefox address/search bar, enter the address about:config and
then in the search bar on that config page search for
javascript.enabled. On mine is says that config is 'default boolean
true' which I assume means that the value is the default (i.e. not
been changed) and it's a boolean (true/false) value set to true.

-- 
Tixy 

Problems configuring arandr

[Richard Owlett]

I'm looking for a basic step by step howto for using arandr. My searches 
are not turning up useful links. I used arandr several years ago. Not 
sure whether or not it was on this laptop.


I'm running Debian 9.8 with MATE desktop on a Dell Latitude E6410 and an 
external VGA monitor.


The basic hardware is working as the text displayed when turning the 
laptop on appears on both screens and when moving the mouse pointer off 
the right side of the laptop display it then appears on the left side of 
the VGA monitor.


I vaguely remember having a similar problem the first time I used it. 
But don't recall the solution. I'm 90% sure this is an operator problem.


Help please.
TIA

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 August 2019 10:33:20 Tixy wrote:

> On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-a
> >rrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> >
> > All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.
>
> Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got that
> disabled or blocked with a plugin?

IDK, how do I check?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Buster on laptop cannot find Nokia 3 hotspot...

[Nimrod]

On Thu, 2019-08-08 at 01:02 +0100, nektarios wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 23:05:13 +0200Nimrod  wrote:
> > On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 14:45 -0400, bw wrote:
> > > In-Reply-To:<
> > > c5618c98-2bad-490f-8ae5-61191e1d9...@email.android.com>  
> > > > > 2) The output of `iwlist scan` to see if the network
> > > > > youre  looking for is detected from the hardware.  
> > > > This is interesting, I didn't know this command. It would
> > > > ratherstrange if the hotspot is shown by the above command but
> > > > not byNetwork Manager.  
> > > 
> > > No, it would not be strange at all.  Network-manager is in it's
> > > owntime-zone, and is often rather strange and hard to
> > > figureout.  Sometimes you must be patient, it does not scan
> > > immediately.For CLI tools I prefer 'iw' to the older iwlist
> > > command, but eithermay help you.  If the device is scanning and
> > > finding other ap, thenit probably is a network-manager quirk.  It
> > > oftenmisses/adds/deletes aps from the list IME.  
> > 
> > I tried iw while Network Manager was not finding my hotspot, and
> > iwfound it instead.But suddenly NM found it too! Last time it
> > worked was several daysago. I really can't understand. I'm happy
> > it's working now, but I'mafraid it will stop working sooner or
> > later. I restarted severaltimes both laptop and hotspot, using both
> > Gnome Shell and Mate, andthe hotspot always appeared almost
> > immediately, as it was used to dobefore. I then turned on another
> > Nokia 3 hotspot (I have threeidentical smartphone, mine and those
> > of my sons). The second one isstill invisible, while other devices,
> > including my own smartphone, canconnect to it with no
> > problems.Issuing iw scan now has no effect.For everyone who
> > answered here is the output of dmesg | grep wl:[   10.811861]
> > wlan0: Broadcom BCM4315 802.11 Hybrid WirelessController
> > 6.30.223.271 (r587334)[   11.084358] wl :02:00.0 wls1:renamed
> > from wlan0[   16.562792] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1: linkis
> > not ready[   17.614802] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1: link isnot
> > ready[  161.102549] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wls1:
> > linkbecomes ready[  725.746601] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1:
> > link isnot ready[  725.770340] ERROR @wl_cfg80211_scan :
> > [  729.858749] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wls1: link becomes
> > ready[ 1264.074169] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1: link is not
> > ready[ 1537.300735] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wls1: link
> > becomes ready[ 1540.111204] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1: link is
> > not ready[ 1655.286877] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wls1: link
> > becomes ready[ 1821.082896] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1: link is
> > not ready[ 1845.425123] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wls1: link
> > becomes ready[ 1849.392169] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1: link is
> > not ready[ 1909.187372] IPv6:ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wls1: link is not
> > ready[ 1909.219378] ERROR@wl_cfg80211_scan : [ 1909.248580] ERROR
> > @wl_cfg80211_scan : After the link became ready, I disabled wifi
> > intentionally, andreenabled after some seconds. Also, I tried many
> > time "iw scan".I can provide other data if you need it, just tell
> > me.Many thanks.
> > > Good Luck,bw  
> 
> `iwlist` command was very useful to me once debugging a raspberi
> piwith failing wireless adapter (networks appearing and
> disappearing).

Sorry for the long delay, I had no connection till now.
iwlist doesn't show the Nokia 3 hotspot, while it shows any other kind
of hotspot, AP, SSID etc... round here.
> Tbh the errors there don't look good but not serious either. If the
> related output from `iwlist scan` shows only 2.4 Ghz networks
> (itmaybe detecting only networks in the 2.4 GHz - if your nic is
> old).
> `lshw` output might be of use if you know what hardware you have in
> thelaptop as a driver/device mismatch might cause the device not work
> verywell (I ve seen it once only with usb wireless adapter).

Here is the output of lshw, limited to the wireless interface:
*-network description: Wireless
interfaceproduct: BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-
PHYvendor: Broadcom Limitedphysical id:
0bus info: pci@:02:00.0logical
name: wls1version: 01serial:
00:21:00:81:d9:85width: 64 bitsclock:
33MHzcapabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master
cap_list ethernet physical wirelessconfiguration:
broadcast=yes driver=wl0 driverversion=6.30.223.271 (r587334) latency=0
multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11resources: irq:17
memory:d470-d4703fff
Best regards.
> Regards

Re: Buster on laptop cannot find Nokia 3 hotspot...

[Nimrod]

On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 08:31 -0700, Shahryar Afifi wrote:
> Eliminate the possibilities:try to connect other phone's hot spot to
> your laptop.

I tried this with an ASUS tablet, an Alcatel 1 smartphone, and an
unknown smartphone branded by Vodafone. The last two are Oreo, the
first one is a rather old Android version, at most 6.
But they are all immediately seen by my Buster laptop, and the WI-FI
connection works perfectly.
> try using third party app on your phone to set up hot spot.

I tried many, but most of them are just useless shortcut. Anyway no one
works. Can you suggest one?
> try to connect nokia 3 to other buster ( or even windows to test)

I have not another Buster, but I have a Stretch laptop, which has no
problem with my three Nokia 3 smartphone.
> set up hot spot from your laptop and see if you can see it in nokia 3

I did it, and at least one of the Nokia 3 sees the SSID of the hotspot,
but can't connect. The hotspot is created with WEP security, but the
Nokia 3 says the connection has no security at all. This is wrong, but
at least explains why the Nokia 3 can't connect to the Buster hotspot.
I even tried to create another connection on the Nokia 3, setting WEP
as security and the right password, but I didn't succede. Maybe I made
some mistake.
Sorry for the long delay... I had no connection for many days!
Best regards.
> 
> On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 10:42 +0200, Nimrod wrote:
> > Hi,
> > my (very old) laptop has been working like a charm until I
> > updatedfrom Stretch to Buster. Among the other, the issue in the
> > subject isvery relevant for me.
> > Here is what happens when I turn on wi-fi hotspot on Nokia
> > 3smartphone (Android up to date):
> > 1) any smartphone or tablet in the family can connect to my Nokia
> > 3hotspot.
> > 2) my laptop can connect at least to a tablet hotspot (the tablet
> > hasa rather old Android version, I guess 6 or even less, and it
> > cannotbe updated); also, my laptop finds a lot of wi-fi networks
> > around(currently I'm in a building in the small town of Anzio,
> > Italy, butalmost every corner of the town is full of wi-fi
> > networks)
> > 3) my laptop cannot even see any hotspot provided by a Nokia
> > 3smartphone with Android up to date; we have three of them, and
> > Ichecked everyone one of them: they all can be used by the tablet
> > inpoint 2) above, and none of them are even found by my laptop.
> > It seems there is something wrong with my laptop and Nokia 3
> > whenthey try to communicate. Currently I'm still using my Nokia 3
> > as amodem via Bluetooth, but the connection is rather slow. When
> > the wi-fi hotspot was working the speed was much higher.
> > Some data:
> > - the laptop is a HP 6730s, quite slow but incredibly robust;
> > Busteris up to date- all the Nokia 3 have Android 9 July update
> > Thanks in advance for any hint.
> > -- Nimrod 

Re: Virus in debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso ?

[Haricophile]

Le jeudi 22 août 2019 à 10:09 +0200, Michel Corbin a écrit :
> Hi
> 
> Bitdefender found "Trojan.GenericKD_32299299 in file 
> debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso from
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> 
> Is it a true threat?
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Michel Corbin.
> 

Today I have a bad connection so I can't test it.

It's possible that Bitdefender dislike some test files of clamav or
detect a false positive, it's a windows™ tool, better on Windows™.

You can get interesting results with http://virustotal.com

Re: [Totalement HS] Re: Avis sur imprimante/scanner/photocopieur

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 8/24/19 5:01 PM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote:



On 8/24/19 2:28 PM, Haricophile wrote:



Puisque on est au socio-politico-philosophique, la problématique de

l'argent est à peu près le même que celui des logiciels libre, à savoir
la problématique principale de notre glorieuse société occidentale
actuelle et le canon du libéralisme : L'inversion des valeurs.



Cent pour cent d'accord, mais ton propos n'est pas original. J'ai cité 
des textes d'environ 2000 ans (les Evangiles) les mentionnant aussi. 
Et Léon Bloy . J'aurais 
pu citer aussi Teilard de Chardin 
 ou Olivier 
Clément 
 
(c'était un ami et un co-paroissien, après avoir été mon prof 
d'histoire en 1^ere , il m'a fait l'honneur d'être le témoin de mon 
mariage religieux en 1978, et je suis encore lié d'amitié avec sa 
famille) ou Bartholomé 1^er 
, 
son prédécesseur Athénagoras 
, 
et plein d'autres comme les saints Tikhon 
, Martin de Tours 
, Benoit 
, Basile 
 (mon saint 
patron) et ses copains Jean 
 & Grégoire 
, Marie 
Skobtsova  (morte en 
martyre en 1945), ou tous les papes que j'ai connus adulte (y compris 
l'actuel, François 
). Et il y a aussi 
Marx (Das Kapital ; quand 
j'étais en terminale C, en 1977, c'était une lecture obligatoire au 
programme de philo), Lenine (le capitalisme vendra la corde pour se 
pendre ), et même très 
récemment Tirole (Economie des biens communs 
).



Cette inversion des valeurs a été dénoncée aussi bien par le 
christianisme social 
 que par la 
plupart des membres de la Résistance 
 
(y compris la plupart des gaullistes et des communistes qui en étaient 
membre; en particulier De Gaulle lui-même). Et aussi Michel Rocard 
et pas mal d'autres...


A 60 ans, je trouve que notre société actuelle a la mémoire bien trop 
courte



Quel choix faisons nous :

1. L'argent est un outil au service de l'Homme
2. L'Homme est un outil au service de l'argent

déclinable a l'infini :

1. Il faut travailler pour vivre
2. Il faut vivre pour travailler


Tu as oublié le /Il faut vivre pour manger/ vs /il faut manger pour 
vivre /cher à Molière . J'ai 
la naïveté d'imaginer qu'on apprend encore ça dans tous les collèges 
français.




1. L'homme doit contrôler la machine
2. La machine doit contrôler l'homme

1. La propriété (intellectuelle...) est une exeption aux "biens
communs".
2. Les "biens communs" sont une exeptions a la propriété.

...

et il s'agit bien de choix et non de "lois naturelles", "nécessités" ou
autres fadaises.



Oui. Tout à fait d'accord. Tout comme le réchauffement climatique 
d'ailleurs.




--
Basile STARYNKEVITCH   == http://starynkevitch.net/Basile
opinions are mine only - les opinions sont seulement miennes
Bourg La Reine, France; 
(mobile phone: cf my web page / voir ma page web...)

Re: [Totalement HS] Re: Avis sur imprimante/scanner/photocopieur

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 8/24/19 2:28 PM, Haricophile wrote:

Le jeudi 22 août 2019 à 12:16 +0200, bas...@starynkevitch.net a écrit :

notamment à propos de On ne peut pas vivre sans argent. Ca rend
modeste

Puisque on est au socio-politico-philosophique, la problématique de
l'argent est à peu près le même que celui des logiciels libre, à savoir
la problématique principale de notre glorieuse société occidentale
actuelle et le canon du libéralisme : L'inversion des valeurs.



Cent pour cent d'accord, mais ton propos n'est pas original. J'ai cité 
des textes d'environ 2000 ans (les Evangiles) les mentionnant aussi. Et 
Léon Bloy . J'aurais pu 
citer aussi Teilard de Chardin 
 ou Olivier 
Clément 
 
(c'était un ami et un co-paroissien, après avoir été mon prof d'histoire 
en 1^ere , il m'a fait l'honneur d'être le témoin de mon mariage 
religieux en 1978, et je suis encore lié d'amitié avec sa famille) ou 
Bartholomé 1^er 
, 
son prédécesseur Athénagoras 
, 
et plein d'autres comme les saints Tikhon 
, Martin de Tours 
, Benoit 
, Basile 
 (mon saint 
patron) et ses copains Jean 
 & Grégoire 
, Marie 
Skobtsova  (morte en 
martyre en 1945), ou tous les papes que j'ai connus adulte (y compris 
l'actuel, François 
). Et il y a aussi 
Marx (Das Kapital ; quand 
j'étais en terminale C, en 1977, c'était une lecture obligatoire au 
programme de philo), Lenine (le capitalisme vendra la corde pour se 
pendre ), et même très 
récemment Tirole (Economie des biens communs 
).



Cette inversion des valeurs a été dénoncée aussi bien par le 
christianisme social 
 que par la plupart 
des membres de la Résistance 
 
(y compris la plupart des gaullistes et des communistes qui en étaient 
membre; en particulier De Gaulle lui-même). Et aussi Michel Rocard 
et pas mal d'autres...


A 60 ans, je trouve que notre société actuelle a la mémoire bien trop 
courte




Quel choix faisons nous :

1. L'argent est un outil au service de l'Homme
2. L'Homme est un outil au service de l'argent

déclinable a l'infini :

1. Il faut travailler pour vivre
2. Il faut vivre pour travailler

1. L'homme doit contrôler la machine
2. La machine doit contrôler l'homme

1. La propriété (intellectuelle...) est une exeption aux "biens
communs".
2. Les "biens communs" sont une exeptions a la propriété.

...

et il s'agit bien de choix et non de "lois naturelles", "nécessités" ou
autres fadaises.



Oui. Tout à fait d'accord. Tout comme le réchauffement climatique 
d'ailleurs.



Et pour revenir au logiciel libre et à Linux (voire Debian), je vois un 
lien assez évident entre Linux, logiciel libre et la lutte contre le 
réchauffement climatique. Faut juste que je prenne le temps de le rédiger.



Librement

--
Basile STARYNKEVITCH   == http://starynkevitch.net/Basile
opinions are mine only - les opinions sont seulement miennes
Bourg La Reine, France; 
(mobile phone: cf my web page / voir ma page web...)

Psensor Problem in Buster

[Stephen P. Molnar]

Since upgrading to Buster I find that Psensor will auto-range the CPU 
Temperature if I run it as root.


I would presume, hopefully correctly, that this is a permissions 
problem. Both psensor and sensors have the permissions of -rwxr-xr-x.


My question is how can I get sensors to auto-range when running as a user?

Thanks in advance.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is a fuzzy set
http://www.Molecular-Modeling.net   Multivariate and stochastic
614.312.7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Peter Ehlert]

On 8/24/19 7:21 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings folks;

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics

All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.


local problem

Thunderbird opens it in Firefox as expected



Thanks for any help.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[John Hasler]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> 
> All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.

It wants to load script from about a dozen sources (fairly typical).
You need only permit a few of them.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

[Tixy]

On Sat, 2019-08-24 at 10:21 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics
> 
> All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.

Looks like abcnews4.com does everything with javascript. You got that
disabled or blocked with a plugin?

-- 
Tixy

Re: mplayer won't play m4a

[rhkramer]

On Saturday, August 24, 2019 09:36:51 AM Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
> > Hi all...
> > 
> >>From mplayer.user mailing list I got no answer...
> >>
> > $ playfile fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a
> > MPlayer 1.3.0 (Debian), built with gcc-8 (C) 2000-2016 MPlayer Team

...
 
> ...On another PC of mine, with Stretch, the same file is correctly
> played...

So, I'm guessing (1) that the machine that doesn't play the file is not using 
Stretch, and (2) therefore it is likely that the machine that doesn't play the 
file is using a different / earlier version of mplayer>

What is the size of file fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a?  (Do an ls -al on 
it and show the result.)

I am not an expert on this, but, from what I remember (or think I remember) 
from other posts in this thread is that an m4a file does not actually contain 
audio information, but is, more or less, a list of files that do contain the 
audio info.

I suspect the earlier version of mplayer cannot handle an m4a file.  

What I might do as a workaround, is to try to find the names of the files 
contained in the m4a file (maybe by "dissecting" the file on Linux (try 
=strings 
fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a=> or by reading the file names from the PC 
which plays the file.

And then try playing those files.

If that works, add them to a "native" mplayer playlist.

why won't ff look at this url?

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings folks;

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-narcotics

All I get for clicking on it is a blank screen.

Thanks for any help.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: mplayer won't play m4a

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 8/24/19 4:36 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Rodolfo Medina  writes:
> 
>> Hi all...
>>
>> >From mplayer.user mailing list I got no answer...
>>
>> $ playfile fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a


Hi Rodolfo,

I didn't find "playfile" file in Debian 10 packages. It seems that M4A
is an audio format. If you want to play the file with video player why
don't you try mpv or try to play the file with audio player - for
example Clementine.

Kind regards
Georgi

Re: mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Hi all...
>
>>From mplayer.user mailing list I got no answer...
>
> $ playfile fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a
> MPlayer 1.3.0 (Debian), built with gcc-8 (C) 2000-2016 MPlayer Team
> do_connect: could not connect to socket
> connect: No such file or directory
> Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.
>
> Playing fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a.
> libavformat version 58.20.100 (external)
> Mismatching header version 58.12.100
> libavformat file format detected.
> [aac @ 0x7fbe56196e00]Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Audio: 
> aac,
> 0 channels, fltp): unspecified sample rate
> Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' 
> options
> [lavf] stream 0: audio (aac), -aid 0
> Load subtitles in ./
> ==
> Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
> libavcodec version 58.35.100 (external)
> Mismatching header version 58.18.100
> Ignoring broken container sample rate for AAC with SBR
> Unknown/missing audio format -> no sound
> ADecoder init failed :(
> Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding)
> Could not get audio data!
> ADecoder init failed :(
> ADecoder init failed :(
> Opening audio decoder: [spdif] libavformat/spdifenc audio pass-through 
> decoder.
> [spdif @ 0x7fbe56196e00]Codec 0 is not implemented. Update your FFmpeg version
> to the newest one from Git. If the problem still occurs, it means that your
> file has a feature which has not been implemented.
> This codec is not supported by spdifenc.
> ADecoder init failed :(
> ADecoder init failed :(
> Cannot find codec for audio format 0x4134504D.
> Audio: no sound
> Video: no video
>
>
> Exiting... (End of file)
>
>
> What missing, what should I install...?  If my two-minutes-ago full-upgrade 
> ok,
> I should be running Stable: Debian 10.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Rodolfo


...On another PC of mine, with Stretch, the same file is correctly played...

Rodolfo

mplayer won't play m4a

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all...

>From mplayer.user mailing list I got no answer...

$ playfile fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a
MPlayer 1.3.0 (Debian), built with gcc-8 (C) 2000-2016 MPlayer Team
do_connect: could not connect to socket
connect: No such file or directory
Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.

Playing fantasia_a_due-prova_13_agosto.m4a.
libavformat version 58.20.100 (external)
Mismatching header version 58.12.100
libavformat file format detected.
[aac @ 0x7fbe56196e00]Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Audio: aac, 
0 channels, fltp): unspecified sample rate
Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' options
[lavf] stream 0: audio (aac), -aid 0
Load subtitles in ./
==
Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
libavcodec version 58.35.100 (external)
Mismatching header version 58.18.100
Ignoring broken container sample rate for AAC with SBR
Unknown/missing audio format -> no sound
ADecoder init failed :(
Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding)
Could not get audio data!
ADecoder init failed :(
ADecoder init failed :(
Opening audio decoder: [spdif] libavformat/spdifenc audio pass-through decoder.
[spdif @ 0x7fbe56196e00]Codec 0 is not implemented. Update your FFmpeg version 
to the newest one from Git. If the problem still occurs, it means that your 
file has a feature which has not been implemented.
This codec is not supported by spdifenc.
ADecoder init failed :(
ADecoder init failed :(
Cannot find codec for audio format 0x4134504D.
Audio: no sound
Video: no video


Exiting... (End of file)


What missing, what should I install...?  If my two-minutes-ago full-upgrade ok,
I should be running Stable: Debian 10.

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo

Re: trying to grab video of screen on a Thinkpad x130e netbook . . .

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 8/24/19 3:53 PM, Pétùr wrote:
> On 24/08/19 13:29, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>> How can I make a video from what is displayed on the screen using
>> ffmpeg, aconv or whatever?
> 
> ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1280x720 -r 25 -i :0.0 screencast.mp4
> 
> 

Or you can use Simple Screen Recorder

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/simplescreenrecorder

Scanner da impressora multifuncional Epson L6171

[Lucio Stringari Junior]

Bom dia.

Normalmente quando eu abro o simple-scan ele reconhece os scanners que 
estão na rede. Tenho 2 HPs reconhecidos normalmente, pena que os dois 
estão com defeito de hardware.


O scanner da impressora multifuncional Epson L6171 não aparece nas 
listas de scanner reconhecido. Será que pode ser algo que eu não 
instalei ou não existe suporte para scanner epson?


Já tenho o sane instalado, o xsane também não reconhece

Estou usando Debian Bullseye com kde-plasma.

Esta impressora L6171 e as demais estão conectadas diretamente a rede 
por cabo ethernet.



Att
Lucio Stringari Junior

Re: trying to grab video of screen on a Thinkpad x130e netbook . . .

[Pétùr]

On 24/08/19 13:29, Albretch Mueller wrote:

How can I make a video from what is displayed on the screen using
ffmpeg, aconv or whatever?


ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1280x720 -r 25 -i :0.0 screencast.mp4

Re: Question

[roger gm]

> Des informations parvenues à ma connaissance suggèrent que le 
> comportement ci-dessus pourrait être celui de l'installateur
> Calamares [1] inclus dans l'environnement graphique des images Debian
> live [2].
> 
> Je n'utilise pas Debian live et je ne vais pas télécharger une image
> de plus de 2 Go juste pour vérifier. Quelqu'un peut-il confirmer ?
> 

Je confirme que l'installateur en mode live sur une debian "live
non-free avec firmware" sous environnement cinnamon ne demande pas
l'installation de root. 
Et j'ai du refaire l'installation en mode
texte car le pilote de ma carte wifi n'était pas présent lors du
redémarrage même si en live tout fonctionait correctement. 
Et de cette façon l'installation de root se fait normalement.

Re: [Totalement HS] Re: Avis sur imprimante/scanner/photocopieur

[Haricophile]

Le jeudi 22 août 2019 à 12:16 +0200, bas...@starynkevitch.net a écrit :
> notamment à propos de On ne peut pas vivre sans argent. Ca rend
> modeste

Puisque on est au socio-politico-philosophique, la problématique de
l'argent est à peu près le même que celui des logiciels libre, à savoir
la problématique principale de notre glorieuse société occidentale
actuelle et le canon du libéralisme : L'inversion des valeurs.

Quel choix faisons nous :

1. L'argent est un outil au service de l'Homme
2. L'Homme est un outil au service de l'argent

déclinable a l'infini :

1. Il faut travailler pour vivre
2. Il faut vivre pour travailler

1. L'homme doit contrôler la machine
2. La machine doit contrôler l'homme

1. La propriété (intellectuelle...) est une exeption aux "biens
communs".
2. Les "biens communs" sont une exeptions a la propriété.

...

et il s'agit bien de choix et non de "lois naturelles", "nécessités" ou
autres fadaises.

-- 
« La Nature peut subvenir a tous nos besoins, mais elle ne peut pas
subvenir a notre convoitise » 

Re: Question

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 21/08/2019 à 20:48, Pascal Hambourg a écrit :

Le 21/08/2019 à 15:33, steve a écrit :


Oui. Par défaut, Debian ne demande plus de mot de passe root à
l'installation


Ça sort d'où ? Je viens de faire plusieurs installations de Buster, et 
il m'est systématiquement proposé de définir un mot de passe root.


Des informations parvenues à ma connaissance suggèrent que le 
comportement ci-dessus pourrait être celui de l'installateur Calamares 
[1] inclus dans l'environnement graphique des images Debian live [2].


Je n'utilise pas Debian live et je ne vais pas télécharger une image de 
plus de 2 Go juste pour vérifier. Quelqu'un peut-il confirmer ?


En revanche l'installateur Debian traditionnel (debian-installer) inclus 
dans les images d'installation - et peut-être dans le menu de démarrage 
des images live, à confirmer - continue de demander un mot de passe root 
optionnel, que ce soit en mode normal ou expert. En mode expert la 
création d'un compte utilisateur normal est aussi optionnelle.


[1] 
[2] 

trying to grab video of screen on a Thinkpad x130e netbook . . .

[Albretch Mueller]

 Hi *:

 I have to ask after trying to do it in many ways, checking all kinds
of posts, searching and following guidelines.

 https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Desktop

 https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Videograbbing/

 I am running:

$ uname -a
Linux niggahme 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2
(2019-05-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux

 on an "old" X130e Thinkpad which has 4 Gb of RAM.

 Nothing is listed under:

 # ls -l /dev/video*
ls: cannot access '/dev/video*': No such file or directory
 #

 As I remember, some time ago I had to do some kernel tinkering in
order to make the screen work fine on Linux:

# lshw -class cpu
  *-cpu
   description: CPU
   product: AMD E-450 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
   physical id: 2e
   bus info: cpu@0
   version: AMD E-450 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
   slot: Socket FT1
   size: 1650MHz
   capacity: 1650MHz
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 100MHz
   capabilities: x86-64 fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr
pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse
sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp constant_tsc
rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni monitor ssse3
cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a
misalignsse 3dnowprefetch ibs skinit wdt hw_pstate vmmcall arat npt
lbrv svm_lock nrip_save pausefilter cpufreq
   configuration: cores=2 enabledcores=2 threads=2
#

# lshw -class display
  *-display
   description: VGA compatible controller
   product: Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320]
   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
   physical id: 1
   bus info: pci@:00:01.0
   version: 00
   width: 32 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
   configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
   resources: irq:25 memory:e000-efff
ioport:3000(size=256) memory:f030-f033 memory:c-d
#

 this are the sound cards on the X130e:

# lshw -class sound
  *-multimedia:0
   description: Audio device
   product: Wrestler HDMI Audio
   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
   physical id: 1.1
   bus info: pci@:00:01.1
   version: 00
   width: 32 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
   configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
   resources: irq:24 memory:f0344000-f0347fff
  *-multimedia:1
   description: Audio device
   product: SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
   vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
   physical id: 14.2
   bus info: pci@:00:14.2
   version: 40
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
   configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=64
   resources: irq:16 memory:f034-f0343fff
#


$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [Generic]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
  HD-Audio Generic at 0xf0344000 irq 24
 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
  HDA ATI SB at 0xf034 irq 16

 this is what ffmpeg supports on my installation:

$ ffmpeg -devices
ffmpeg version 3.2.14-1~deb9u1 Copyright (c) 2000-2019 the FFmpeg developers
  built with gcc 6.3.0 (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 20170516
  configuration: --prefix=/usr --extra-version='1~deb9u1'
--toolchain=hardened --libdir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
--incdir=/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu --enable-gpl
--disable-stripping --enable-avresample --enable-avisynth
--enable-gnutls --enable-ladspa --enable-libass --enable-libbluray
--enable-libbs2b --enable-libcaca --enable-libcdio --enable-libebur128
--enable-libflite --enable-libfontconfig --enable-libfreetype
--enable-libfribidi --enable-libgme --enable-libgsm
--enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libopenmpt
--enable-libopus --enable-libpulse --enable-librubberband
--enable-libshine --enable-libsnappy --enable-libsoxr
--enable-libspeex --enable-libssh --enable-libtheora
--enable-libtwolame --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx
--enable-libwavpack --enable-libwebp --enable-libx265 --enable-libxvid
--enable-libzmq --enable-libzvbi --enable-omx --enable-openal
--enable-opengl --enable-sdl2 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-libiec61883
--enable-chromaprint --enable-frei0r --enable-libopencv
--enable-libx264 --enable-shared
  libavutil  55. 34.101 / 55. 34.101
  libavcodec 57. 64.101 / 57. 64.101
  libavformat57. 56.101 / 57. 56.101
  libavdevice57.  1.100 / 57.  1.100
  libavfilter 6. 65.100 /  6. 65.100
  libavresample   3.  1.  0 /  3.  1.  0
  libswscale  4.  2.100 /  4.  2.100
  libswresample   2.  3.100 /  2.  3.100
  libpostproc54.  1.100 / 54.  1.100
Devices:
 D. = Demuxing supported
 .E = Muxing supported
 --
 DE alsaALSA audio output
  E cacacaca (color ASCII art) output device
 D  dv1394  DV1394 A/V grab
 DE fbdev   Linux 

Re: Question

[Haricophile]

Le mercredi 21 août 2019 à 21:21 +0200, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit :
> bonjour, 
> 
> désolé mais je pensais au mode expert et j'en suis navré d'avoir
> apporté
> la confusion ...
> 
> merci pour votre aimable attention
> 
> bien à vous
> bernard

Il s'agit d'un comportement ancien. Depuis plusieurs versions (je ne
sais plus depuis laquelle) : Ne pas renseigner le mot de passe root a
l'installation configure sudo pour le premier utilisateur (1000).

Personnellement j'ai toujours installé avec l'iso minimale en mode texte
donc je ne sais pas s'il y a des différences entre les modes
d'installations.

Re: Problème de Bluetooth

[fab]

salut,

De mon point de vue, le bluetooth est bien démarré chez toi. Simplement, 
l'accès à périphérique ne se fait pas. C'est un casque audio ? Quelle 
est la référence du casque ?
Essaye d'appairer un autre dispositif bluetooth pour valider ton 
installation.


Il y a quelques commandes à connaître lorsqu'on veut s'amuser avec le 
bluetooth. Tu connais déjà peut-être ce lien ?

https://wiki.debian.org/fr/BluetoothUser

Désolé de ne pas t'être d'une grande aide, mes connaissances en BT sont 
anciennes.

Que dois-je faire?

Chercher ;) ?

f.

Re: Avis sur imprimante/scanner/photocopieur

[Haricophile]

Le jeudi 22 août 2019 à 08:02 +0200, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit :
> Cet avis présuppose que le temps ne vaut rien (sauf si le copyshop est
> littéralement en bas de chez soi, ce n'est pas mon   cas, j'habite
> à Bourg la Reine en zone résidentielle, et le copyshop que je
> connaisse le plus proche est à une heure de transport en commun, à
> Jussieu). Pour la plupart des gens ce n'est pas le cas.

Pour une grosse impression (thèse...) il existe des services en ligne.
Donc aussi le services "reliure", bien entendu inaplicable a 3 pages...

Pour revenir au sujet : Pour les documents courants rien n'est plus
économique et fiable qu'une laser n, et largement, quoique en dise les
commerciaux. Pour moi c'est 99% des besoins (je garde 1% d'incertitudes
par rigueur scientifique).

Le recto-verso automatique apporte de la complexité mécanique donc de la
fragilité mais c'est sacrément pratique.

Le réseau ethernet/wifi pareil : Sans être strictement nécessaire, c'est
pratique pour la connectivité avec un portable ou plusieurs appareils
(smartphone...).

Et quand au choix final, la compatibilité Linux est un caractère
déterminant, et si le firmware est "non-libre" la politique du fabricant
dans la durée et sa politique "d'obsolescence programmée" est cruciale,
je déconseille par exemple Canon non pas sur la qualité du matos mais
sur ces points.

Re: DKIM, multiple domains, same server -- want to always sign, not just for remote delivery

[Andrew McGlashan]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256



On 24/8/19 7:51 pm, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> but most already email users won't have a clue.

... but most *ordinary* email users ...

And an Enigmail setting gives me the confirmation before sending (not
TB itself).

A.


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Re: DKIM, multiple domains, same server -- want to always sign, not just for remote delivery

[Andrew McGlashan]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Hi,

On 24/8/19 7:24 pm, Reco wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 03:27:09PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> Okay, I've changed the the DKIM_SIGN_HEADERS ... let's see if
>> this is good, thanks
> 
> This e-mail passed DKIM check for me, previous one failed it.

Yes, I checked my copy from the list already; thank you.

The default, I believe, is to sign all headers, I didn't have data set
for DKIM_SIGN_HEADERS before, but obviously I do now and hence why the
list mail is now good.  Similarly for gpg signed emails, I
deliberately do inline signing for mailing lists because it validates
cleanly.

>>> Also, "Autocrypt: prefer-encrypt=mutual" for a list mail?
>> Yes, that is an Enigmail thing
> 
> Let's hope that two users of Enigmail won't meet here, as the
> result would be encrypted e-mails sent to the list.

Yes.  I do have "automatically encrypt" set to never at least.  I also
have TB present confirmation of GPG status *before* sending so I can
be sure which emails are signed and/or encrypted before I let them go.

>> Yes, not sure yet, but I think if the email is being "sent" by
>> any mail server and even if it is being locally delivered, then
>> at the "send" point, DKIM signing should take place.
> 
> Nope. I repeat, see the macros. Exim should take a decision to
> invoke a SMTP session for DKIM to trigger.

I get it, but I still don't like it.  For those that fully understand
what they are doing with GPG signed and/or encrypted email, they can
mitigate against authenticity issues due to tampering, but most
already email users won't have a clue.

>> One of the reasons for signing is to keep the emails fully
>> authentic and to (perhaps) remove the possibility of anyone
>> tampering with an email source and saying "you sent this"
>> when they doctored it.  This might be very important at the
>> /same/ mail server level, especially within a single
>> organization.
> 
> That's true, but I see no reason why one cannot implement this
> useful policy on a transit MTA.

Yeah, not so sure about that, but I'm not going to worry about it too
much right now.

>> Yes, I think it might be a kludge that isn't worth doing; perhaps
>> an adjustment to how Exim itself handles this situation would
>> help.
> 
> All I can say that I wish you luck in implementing it.

I don't expect to do any kludges for this, and I still think that if
an email is "submitted" for delivery, once it is accepted it should b
signed immediately, then delivery can happen any which way.  That is,
early sign if that is possible, then it won't matter if it is locally
delivered or delivered via remote SMTP.

Kind Regards
AndrewM

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Re: DKIM, multiple domains, same server -- want to always sign, not just for remote delivery

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 03:27:09PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Okay, I've changed the the DKIM_SIGN_HEADERS ... let's see if this is
> good, thanks

This e-mail passed DKIM check for me, previous one failed it.


> > Also, "Autocrypt: prefer-encrypt=mutual" for a list mail?
> Yes, that is an Enigmail thing

Let's hope that two users of Enigmail won't meet here, as the result
would be encrypted e-mails sent to the list.


> Yes, not sure yet, but I think if the email is being "sent" by any mail
> server and even if it is being locally delivered, then at the "send"
> point, DKIM signing should take place.

Nope. I repeat, see the macros. Exim should take a decision to invoke a
SMTP session for DKIM to trigger.


> One of the reasons for signing is to keep the emails fully authentic and
> to (perhaps) remove the possibility of anyone tampering with an email
> source and saying "you sent this" when they doctored it.  This might
> be very important at the /same/ mail server level, especially within a
> single organization.

That's true, but I see no reason why one cannot implement this useful
policy on a transit MTA.


> Yes, I think it might be a kludge that isn't worth doing; perhaps an
> adjustment to how Exim itself handles this situation would help.

All I can say that I wish you luck in implementing it.

Reco

Re: (deb-cat) Obrir-enfocar mes documents amb Nautilus/Gnome

[Narcis Garcia]

__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 24/8/19 a les 10:33, Robert Marsellés ha escrit:
> 
> 
> El 23/8/19 a les 13:02, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>> He actualitzat un ordinador amb Debian 9 (+Gnome) a Debian 10, i des
>> d'aleshores que, en obrir un document (fent doble-clic a l'explorador
>> Nautilus) si l'aplicació de destinació ja era oberta aleshores no
>> s'enfoca la finestra.
>>
>> Algú sap què és el què controla o configura aquest comportament?
>>
> 
> Donat que parles de Nautilus, assumeixo que uses Gnome i, donat que
> preguntes aquí, que ho tens configurat amb Català.
> 
> De forma gràfica, es pot jugar amb diferents combinacions d'efectes de
> focus a les finestres a l'apartat "Finestres" de l'aplicació
> "Ajustaments" que es troba dins del grup "Eines del sistema" al menú de
> Gnome. Des de consola: /usr/bin/gnome-tweaks
> 
> En concret, hi ha una opció que diu: "Eleva les finestres quan tinguin
> el focus". Falta saber si obrir un nou document des de Nautilus
> transfereix el focus a l'aplicació que ha de gestionar el document.
> 

No trobo aquest «Eleva les finestres...» al gnome tweaks. A quina secció
exactament?

Salut.

latest snort for debian stable

[Eero Volotinen]

Hi,

Is there any reliable source that offers latest 2.9.x snort for debian 10?
Or instructions how to package it. compiling snort from source does not
sound good solution.

thanks,

Eero

Re: (deb-cat) Obrir-enfocar mes documents amb Nautilus/Gnome

[Robert Marsellés]

El 23/8/19 a les 13:02, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> He actualitzat un ordinador amb Debian 9 (+Gnome) a Debian 10, i des
> d'aleshores que, en obrir un document (fent doble-clic a l'explorador
> Nautilus) si l'aplicació de destinació ja era oberta aleshores no
> s'enfoca la finestra.
> 
> Algú sap què és el què controla o configura aquest comportament?
> 

Donat que parles de Nautilus, assumeixo que uses Gnome i, donat que
preguntes aquí, que ho tens configurat amb Català.

De forma gràfica, es pot jugar amb diferents combinacions d'efectes de
focus a les finestres a l'apartat "Finestres" de l'aplicació
"Ajustaments" que es troba dins del grup "Eines del sistema" al menú de
Gnome. Des de consola: /usr/bin/gnome-tweaks

En concret, hi ha una opció que diu: "Eleva les finestres quan tinguin
el focus". Falta saber si obrir un nou document des de Nautilus
transfereix el focus a l'aplicació que ha de gestionar el document.


Salut i peles,

robert

Re: stretch debug updates missing?

[john doe]

On 8/24/2019 9:14 AM, and...@arobeia.co.uk wrote:
> I'm trying to install some dgbsyms packages for my stretch system, but the 
> debug archive seems to be out of date relative to the stretch-updates archive
> root@ceylon:/home/sunshine# apt install libreoffice-base-dbgsym 
> libreoffice-calc-dbgsym libreoffice-gnome-dbgsym
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  libreoffice-base-dbgsym : Depends: libreoffice-base (= 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7) but 
> 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10 is to be installed
>  libreoffice-calc-dbgsym : Depends: libreoffice-calc (= 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7) but 
> 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10 is to be installed
>  libreoffice-gnome-dbgsym : Depends: libreoffice-gnome (= 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7) 
> but 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10 is to be installed
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
>

- Are you 'hold'ing packages, that is, pkgs that are not to be upgraded?

> http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/dists/stretch-debug/main/binary-amd64/
>  
> (http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/dists/stretch-debug/main/binary-amd64/)
>  has a release of 2019-07-06
>
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/  
> (http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/)
>  has a release of 2019-08-24
>
> Is this just an omission, or am I doing something wrong? Or do -dbgsyms 
> packages routinely lag the main updates?. The updated packages appear to be 
> present in pool/, but they are not pointed to by the debian-debug
>

- You did an 'apt update'?
- Any luck with 'apt-get -f install'?

--
John Doe

stretch debug updates missing?

[andrew]

I'm trying to install some dgbsyms packages for my stretch system, but the 
debug archive seems to be out of date relative to the stretch-updates archive
root@ceylon:/home/sunshine# apt install libreoffice-base-dbgsym 
libreoffice-calc-dbgsym libreoffice-gnome-dbgsym
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree 
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libreoffice-base-dbgsym : Depends: libreoffice-base (= 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7) but 
1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10 is to be installed
 libreoffice-calc-dbgsym : Depends: libreoffice-calc (= 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7) but 
1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10 is to be installed
 libreoffice-gnome-dbgsym : Depends: libreoffice-gnome (= 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7) but 
1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/dists/stretch-debug/main/binary-amd64/
 
(http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/dists/stretch-debug/main/binary-amd64/)
 has a release of 2019-07-06

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/  
(http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/)
 has a release of 2019-08-24

Is this just an omission, or am I doing something wrong? Or do -dbgsyms 
packages routinely lag the main updates?. The updated packages appear to be 
present in pool/, but they are not pointed to by the debian-debug

Re: Twee wrapper2.0 processen nemen erg veel processor

[Geert Stappers]

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 09:45:38AM +0200, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
> Cecil Westerhof writes:
> > henk van ballegooijen writes:
> >> Lijkt me inderdaad niet goed.
> >> Ik heb hier ook de cpufreq monitor in mijn panel maar die gebruikt
> >> weinig cpu capaciteit, staat meestal op 0%
> >> Waarom draaien er eigenlijk twee van die processen, voor iedere virtuele
> >> desktop één misschien?
> >> Ik zou beginnen met de monitor voor de processorfrequentie (tijdelijk)
> >> van het panel te verwijderen.
> >> Eventueel het pakket xfce4-cpufreq-plugin verwijderen/herinstalleren en
> >> kijken of dat helpt.
> >
> > Ik had een SIGTERM naar de processen gestuurd. Er werden toen nieuwe
> > opgestart. Die gebruikten toen volgens mij tussen de 0.4 en 0.8
> > procent. (Had ik moeten noteren. :'-( ) En nu staat het tussen de
> > tussen de 1.2 en 1.8 procent. (Na anderhalf uur.) Morgenvroeg weer
> > even kijken. Als het dan hoog is je tips uitproberen.
> 
> De processen zijn reeds gegroeid naar tussen de vijf en zes procent,
> dus ik moet er zeker iets mee doen.

Mijn inschatting is dat een antwoord op de goede vraag
> >> Waarom draaien er eigenlijk twee van die processen
kan helpen.
Het zou met namelijk niet verbazen dat die twee elkaar in weg zitten.


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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