Re: fmtree: line 0: unknown keyword sha256digest

[David Christensen]

On 2020-01-15 12:28, David Christensen wrote:

Do I build from source?  If so, is there a good tutorial?


https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation


The only change is the installation step -- apt(8) did not work:

2020-01-15 13:31:02 root@po /home/dpchrist/build
# apt install freebsd-buildutils_10.3~svn296373-7_amd64.deb
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package 
freebsd-buildutils_10.3~svn296373-7_amd64.deb
	E: Couldn't find any package by glob 
'freebsd-buildutils_10.3~svn296373-7_amd64.deb'
	E: Couldn't find any package by regex 
'freebsd-buildutils_10.3~svn296373-7_amd64.deb'



I needed to use dpkg(1):

2020-01-15 13:38:39 root@po ~
	# dpkg -i 
/home/dpchrist/build/freebsd-buildutils_10.3~svn296373-7_amd64.deb

(Reading database ... 116788 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../freebsd-buildutils_10.3~svn296373-7_amd64.deb 
...
Unpacking freebsd-buildutils (10.3~svn296373-7) over (10.3~svn296373-6) 
...
Setting up freebsd-buildutils (10.3~svn296373-7) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...


It works!


David

Re: Browsing debian-user: news.gmane.org is now news.gmane.io

[Geoff]

Ralph Katz wrote:

If you browse du from gmane as I do, note the new domain:  news.gmane.io
news://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user

source:
https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2020/01/15/news-gmane-org-is-now-news-gmane-io/

Regards,
Ralph



Cheers Ralph, though I didn't see your message until I'd also figured that out 
:)

Regards,
Geoff

Re: Browsing debian-user: news.gmane.org is now news.gmane.io

[황병희]

Hellow Ralph^^^

Ralph Katz  writes:

> If you browse du from gmane as I do, note the new domain:  news.gmane.io
> news://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user
>
> source:
> https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2020/01/15/news-gmane-org-is-now-news-gmane-io/

Thanks for good News^^^

Sincerely, Gmane fan Byung-Hee

-- 
^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:23:05 +
Joe  wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:22:53 +0100
> "Thomas Schmitt"  wrote:
> 
(...)
> > So my question to all owners of optical drives which have a motor to
> > pull in the tray:
> > Does the tray stay out for clearly more than 200 seconds ?
> > 
> > If you have a drive which pulls in on its own, please post its
> > producer and model id. (Obtain by burn program, or lshw, or by its
> > name in /dev/disk/by-id.)
> > 

lshw output:

description: DVD-RAM writer
product: DVDR   PX-810SA
vendor: PLEXTOR

description: DVD-RAM writer
product: CDDVDW SH-224DB
vendor: TSSTcorp

Both keep their trays open for at least 12 min.

Regards

Michael


.-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.

Insufficient facts always invite danger.
-- Spock, "Space Seed", stardate 3141.9

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Mark Rousell]

On 14/01/2020 10:22, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> So my question to all owners of optical drives which have a motor to pull in
> the tray:
> Does the tray stay out for clearly more than 200 seconds ?
>
> If you have a drive which pulls in on its own, please post its producer and
> model id. (Obtain by burn program, or lshw, or by its name in 
> /dev/disk/by-id.)

TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-224DB SB01: Does NOT pull in.


-- 
Mark Rousell
 
 
 

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Dominique Dumont wrote:
> - ASUS_BW-16D1HT_KD5IAIG4715

That's a good one. Mine is of 2015.


> - HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH08LS20

The googled pictures resemble my GGW-H20L from 2008. Does it write BD-RE
with 2.3x speed ?
(At some time the LGs lost that extra speed of 10 MB/s versus 9 MB/s of the
competitors.)


> - ATAPI_iHOS104_3775504068_206021500

A BD-ROM drive. That's rare.




For now we have three DVD burners which show pull-in after 200 seconds,
four do not. No BD drive does. The CD drive doesn't either.

(I could increase the list of non-pullers by 2 deceased DVD burners
and 2 CD burners, of which one was decommissioned while still working well.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: fmtree: line 0: unknown keyword sha256digest

[David Christensen]

On 2020-01-15 12:03, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

it seems to depend on whether macro SHA256 is defined:

   
https://sources.debian.org/src/freebsd-buildutils/9.0-11/src/usr.sbin/mtree/misc.c/#L76

SHA256 seems to be the most recently added feature

   
https://sources.debian.org/src/freebsd-buildutils/10.3~svn296373-7/debian/changelog/?hl=3#L3
says
   "
   freebsd-buildutils (10.3~svn296373-7) unstable; urgency=medium

 * Build fmtree with support for MD5, SHA1, RMD160, SHA256 checksums
   (Closes: #854184, #855072)
   - add Build-Depends: libmd-dev
   - refresh 22_ld_as_needed.diff
 * Merge patch from Ubuntu: prototype-setmode.diff (Logan Rosen)

-- Steven Chamberlain   Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:45:25 +
   "

Debian 9 seems to be older
   https://packages.debian.org/source/oldstable/freebsd-buildutils
says
   "Source Package: freebsd-buildutils (10.3~svn296373-6)"

One of the mentioned bug reports has a justification for the traditional lack.
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855072
says
   "When this was packaged in 2005, we did not have libmd.  Since recently,
we have this now in sid/stretch, so I shall enable this feature :)"


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Thanks for the reply. :-)


It looks like Stretch has the port based on 10.3~svn296373-6 and I need 
the port based on 10.3~svn296373-7 (?):


https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=freebsd-buildutils=names=all=all


I do not see a backport:

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=freebsd-buildutils=names=all=stretch-backports


Do I build from source?  If so, is there a good tutorial?


David

Re: fmtree: line 0: unknown keyword sha256digest

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

it seems to depend on whether macro SHA256 is defined:

  
https://sources.debian.org/src/freebsd-buildutils/9.0-11/src/usr.sbin/mtree/misc.c/#L76

SHA256 seems to be the most recently added feature

  
https://sources.debian.org/src/freebsd-buildutils/10.3~svn296373-7/debian/changelog/?hl=3#L3
says
  "
  freebsd-buildutils (10.3~svn296373-7) unstable; urgency=medium

* Build fmtree with support for MD5, SHA1, RMD160, SHA256 checksums
  (Closes: #854184, #855072)
  - add Build-Depends: libmd-dev
  - refresh 22_ld_as_needed.diff
* Merge patch from Ubuntu: prototype-setmode.diff (Logan Rosen)

   -- Steven Chamberlain   Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:45:25 +
  "

Debian 9 seems to be older
  https://packages.debian.org/source/oldstable/freebsd-buildutils
says
  "Source Package: freebsd-buildutils (10.3~svn296373-6)"

One of the mentioned bug reports has a justification for the traditional lack.
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855072
says
  "When this was packaged in 2005, we did not have libmd.  Since recently,
   we have this now in sid/stretch, so I shall enable this feature :)"


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Using ISO images as a repository

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Jan 2020 at 12:48:56 +, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 14:36:38 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > Not an acceptable solution.
> > Debian can deal simply with repositories  on multiple sites.
> > Why not deal similarly with repositories on multiple files?
> 
> David Wright has offered apt-cacher-ng as a solution and I will mention
> apt-cdrom. There is enough there to keep you occupied until mid-2020. :)

What goes around comes around.

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/01/msg00477.html

The problem is that you have labelled loop mounting an ISO as a kludge
and see https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick as not
offering a solution. Having eliminated the only two viable alternatives,
there isn't anything to offer. Other users would wonder what it is that
you want to do.

I am loath to say it, but your approach to this issue is not acceptable.

-- 
Brian.

fmtree: line 0: unknown keyword sha256digest

[David Christensen]

debian-user:

I am migrating data between machines and operating systems (Debian 9 and 
FreeBSD 12.1) and would like to do file integrity checking:


https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-security/use-mtree-for-filesystem-integrity-auditing/


It works on FreeBSD:

https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?mtree(8)

2020-01-15 11:22:01 toor@soho ~
# freebsd-version ; uname -a
12.1-RELEASE-p1
FreeBSD soho.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.1-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 
12.1-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC  amd64


2020-01-15 11:22:23 toor@soho ~
# time mtree -p /jail/cvs/var/local/cvs -c -K sha256digest > 
mtree/soho-jail-cvs-var-local-cvs-20200115-1121.txt


real0m2.186s
user0m1.775s
sys 0m0.411s

2020-01-15 11:22:43 toor@soho ~
# ll mtree/
total 2565
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3192822 2020/01/15 11:22:43 
soho-jail-cvs-var-local-cvs-20200115-1121.txt


2020-01-15 11:29:12 toor@soho ~
# head mtree/soho-jail-cvs-var-local-cvs-20200115-1121.txt
#  user: toor
#   machine: soho.tracy.holgerdanske.com
#  tree: /jail/cvs/var/local/cvs
#  date: Wed Jan 15 11:22:41 2020

# .
/set type=file uid=0 gid=0 mode=0755 nlink=1 flags=uarch
.   type=dir nlink=3 time=1558489907.76000

# ./dpchrist


The equivalent tool is pronounced fmtree(8) on Debian (package 
freebsd-buildutils).  It does not seem to understand the sha256digest 
keyword (?):


https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/freebsd-buildutils/fmtree.8.en.html

2020-01-15 11:23:24 root@po ~
# cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
9.11
Linux po 4.9.0-11-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.189-3+deb9u2 (2019-11-11) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux


2020-01-15 11:24:20 root@po ~
# time fmtree -p /jail/cvs/var/local/cvs -c -K sha256digest > 
mtree/soho-jail-cvs-var-local-cvs-20200115-1124.txt

fmtree: line 0: unknown keyword sha256digest

real0m0.002s
user0m0.000s
sys 0m0.000s


Any suggestions?


TIA,

David

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[Erwann Le Bras]

Justement, CQFD, Microsoft montre patte blanche à Linux pour tenter
de reprendre la main, via son cloud "Linux Azure" à licence "spéciale".
(même pas Opensource).



Arf, dans ma boîte on est 100% Microsoft Azure : Win10, Outlook, 
OneDrive, Office 365.
Full Cloud américain, full synchro Andoid/Win10, avec toutes les données 
servies chez MS


Et du coup des clients français clairvoyants qui nous interdisent de 
mettre leurs docs dessus.

Mais pas de solution sécure pour nos données.

Et moi je tente de faire la même chose avec ma Debian et mon cloud 
personnel...


Erwann

Problème raccourcis clavier Buster 10.2

[Wallace]

Bonjour à tous,

J'utilise le launcher Albert https://albertlauncher.github.io/ sous
Gnome Shell (3.30), tout fonctionnait bien en 10.0 et 10.1. Depuis la
mise à jour 10.2, l'appelle du launcher par mon raccourcis clavier (Alt
+ Espace),  qui est toujours désactivé côté Gnome Shell pour le menu des
fenêtres si j'ai bonne mémoire, fonctionne que sur certains applications.

Ca fonctionne lorsque je l'appelle sur un Firefox / TB / Nautilus /
Chromium / LibreOffice / ... et ça ne fonctionne pas lorsque je
l'appelle juste après le démarrage de session sur le bureau, sur
Terminator, sur Mattermost (donc chromium web il me semble).

J'ai reste les raccourcis de Gnome, puis supprimé à nouveau celui des
menus, j'ai complètement désinstallé Albert, viré la configuration et
remis sans succès.

J'ai regardé le changelog de la 10.2 pour trouver une piste mais je
sèche un peu.

L'un d'entre vous aurait des idées sur les causes probables de ce soucis?

Par avance grand merci

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Dominique Dumont]

On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 11:22:53 CET Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> So my question to all owners of optical drives which have a motor to pull in
> the tray:
> Does the tray stay out for clearly more than 200 seconds ?

yes for my 3 drives. I gave up after 10 mns

My drives are:
- ASUS_BW-16D1HT_KD5IAIG4715
- HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH08LS20
- ATAPI_iHOS104_3775504068_206021500 

All the best

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[ajh-valmer]

On Wednesday 15 January 2020 18:42:51 NoSpam wrote:
> Le kernel Android tout comme celui de chrome SONT des Linux.

Oui, mais même, Chromebook n'est pas si bien que Linux.

> Essaye un Chromebook :
Voir au dessus..

> > Microsoft a perdu la bataille 
> > - des serveurs au profit de Linux, 
> > - des smartphones au profit d'Androïd,
> > - de sa suite bureautique au profit de Libreoffice.

> > La firme reste majoritaire dans le marché grand-public,

> Ah, pas dans les entreprises ? Je dois avoir des clients bien dressés :) :

Grand-public ou dans les entreprises ?

> > mais a complètement modifié sa politique vis à vis de Linux,
> > du logiciel Opensource, manoeuvre pour tenter de rattraper
> > le marché des professionnels :

... avec le cloud.

> D'ou tu tiens cela ? Microsoft envois tout le monde dans le cloud avec 
> Office365 et c'est efficace !
> Le cloud mon bon Monsieur, le cloud. Et ils sont dans le bon peloton de 
> tête :

Justement, CQFD, Microsoft montre patte blanche à Linux pour tenter
de reprendre la main, via son cloud "Linux Azure" à licence "spéciale".
(même pas Opensource).

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 15.01.2020 18:39, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> It also means Microsoft will now change many downloadable support 
>> packages so they won't run anymore on Windows 7
> Possible, although I wouldn't expect them to bother to go and make
> changes en-masse. It's more likely that they just won't bother to make
> sure that future changes to such packages remain compatible with Windows 7.
It happened before with Windows XP, so I'm expecting this trend will
continue with Windows 7 and Windows 8.x
I know that, because to this day I still have to maintain several
Windows XP hosts for various reasons.

>> and delete TechNet articles about Windows 7,
> Are you sure? I've never seen them do that with previous releases; at
> the least, I'm fairly sure I keep running across Technet articles (and
> other support documents) marked as being for older Windows versions,
> when I'm looking for ones that apply to something newer.
Yes, I'm sure. Windows GUI, Control Panel applets, etc, contain many
URLs that lead to help pages and articles, but when you actually click
on them you will get "Page not found or moved" page from
"*.microsoft.com" domain as a result.
If you will search manually for official documentation you may find it,
but accuracy and completeness of it won't be guaranteed. I've seen too
many TechNet\Microsoft hosted articles with broken URLs to think otherwise.

>
>> and also 3rd party software developers now have rights to deny any
>> support for Windows 7.
> They had that before; it just wasn't a particularly good idea in many
> cases. Some of them will probably start doing this, while others will
> probably continue offering as much support as they did before, at least
> for a good while.
I'm talking mostly about niche software, like banking software, CAD,
Adobe and Microsoft products, anti-virus software, anything that depends
on the Internet, like browsers and email clients, etc and of course,
WHQL driver updates for all kinds of hardware.

>
>> If Windows 7 is unsupported it doesn't means it will stop function,
>> it means, in terms of support and maintenance, you're on your own. It
>> will stay as secure as it is to this day
> Modulo the discovery of new security vulnerabilities, which currently
> exist but aren't yet known about, anyway. So technically true, but
> doesn't mean what it might appear to mean at first glance.
>
> Personally, I'm half-expecting one or more previously unknown zero-day
> vulnerabilities to be revealed and start being actively exploited today,
> now that the only people who will be getting patches for them are the
> ones who have paid extended-support contracts with Microsoft.
Yes, if you agreed to maintain a legacy software you have to understand
all the risks and develop a strong protection scheme along with disaster
recovery backup plan. A configuration of a firewall simply won't be
sufficient.

>> and it doesn't really depend on firewall, if you won't open
>> (port-forward) high risk service ports (like RDP, SMB, etc) to the
>> internet, of course.
> I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. While yes, if you
> wall a Windows 7 computer off from access to the Internet any security
> vulnerabilities it may have will become far closer to irrelevant than
> otherwise be the case, anything short of that will still leave ways by
> which it could get infected (especially assuming less-than-perfect
> security behavior on the part of users) - and the full wall-off would
> most likely be impractical for real-world use.
>
That is because you've ommited last part of the quote, probably. I'm
assuming OP is having very basic understanding about IT security, so I
tried to warn him about firewall wouldn't be the ultimate solution for
every and all security problems. It will help, but only for some cases.
That said, I think it is impossible to suggest anything more than that
without knowing additional information about OP's current infrastructure.


-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[NoSpam]

Le 15/01/2020 à 18:26, ajh-valmer a écrit :

Tant pis si certains refusent de voir la vérité.
Si Linux était vraiment simple (comme Windows et Mac),
il n'en serait pas à 0,8% du marché grand-public.

On Wednesday 15 January 2020 09:35:42 NoSpam wrote:

Comment expliquer alors que la vente des Chromebooks explose aux US ?


www.zdnet.fr/actualites/windows-chahute-en-classe-bientot-le-bonnet-d-ane-39865116.htm

Etant possesseur de l' une de ces machines, un regal, y compris avec
Linux installe: 3 OS disponibles en meme temps, qui dit mieux ?
Il faut voir plus loin que le bout de son nez... :

J'ai un long nez, donc ça va :-)

La majorité des smartphones sont vendus avec Androïd pré-installé,
(un dérivé de Linux, pas vraiment libre) et 90% l'utilisent,
et personne ne s'en plaint.

Le kernel Android tout comme celui de chrome SONT des Linux


Si un équivalent d'Androïd pour ordinateurs, avec les qualité de Linux,
était vendu pré-installé dans la plupart des boutiques, tôt ou tard,
90% des ordinateurs seraient sous Androïd.

Essaye un Chromebook

Microsoft a perdu la bataille
- des serveurs au profit de Linux,
- des smartphones au profit d'Androïd,
- de sa suite bureautique au profit de Libreoffice.
D'ou tu tiens cela ? Microsoft envois tout le monde dans le cloud avec 
Office365 et c'est efficace !

La firme reste majoritaire dans le marché grand-public,

Ah, pas dans les entreprises ? Je dois avoir des clients bien dressés :)

mais a complètement modifié sa politique vis à vis de Linux,
du logiciel Opensource, manoeuvre pour tenter de rattraper
le marché des professionnels.


Le cloud mon bon Monsieur, le cloud. Et ils sont dans le bon peloton de 
tête.


--

Daniel

Re: I need to be root to run this script

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 06:40:42PM +0100, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
> What's the pro of
> 
> tail -n +1 /etc/sudoers.d/*
> 
> compared to a simple cat as your tail is fetching from the 1st line so does 
> cat?

It writes a header for each file, if there's more than one file.  So,
it basically replaces the { echo "=== $f" && ... part of the previously
suggested command.

wooledg:~$ tail -n+1 /etc/debian_version /etc/hostname
==> /etc/debian_version <==
10.2

==> /etc/hostname <==
wooledg

Re: I need to be root to run this script

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

15 janv. 2020 à 14:41 de wool...@eeg.ccf.org:

> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 08:32:12PM -0800, Will Mengarini wrote:
>
>> And the ls -R would be helped by this:
>>  for f in /etc/sudoers.d/*;{ [[ -f $f ]] && echo === "$f" && cat "$f";}
>>
>
> I'm *definitely* not a fan of stretching the shell's parser in that
> way (replacing do ... done with a braced command group).
>
I'm not a big fan about for loop over wildcard *. It lacks recursivity.
I don't know if one can nest sudoers directories inside sudoers.d but I would 
stick to:

find /etc/sudoers.d -type f -exec echo '{}' \; -exec cat '{}' \;

> That said, here's an alternative that you may find interesting:
>
> tail -n+1 /etc/sudoers.d/* 
>
What's the pro of

tail -n +1 /etc/sudoers.d/*

compared to a simple cat as your tail is fetching from the 1st line so does cat?

NB: yes, indeed, I had an issue with my email client about the new line missing 
(LF) between the two commands ;)

Best regards,
l0f4r0

Browsing debian-user: news.gmane.org is now news.gmane.io

[Ralph Katz]

If you browse du from gmane as I do, note the new domain:  news.gmane.io
news://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user

source:
https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2020/01/15/news-gmane-org-is-now-news-gmane-io/

Regards,
Ralph



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Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[ajh-valmer]

> > Tant pis si certains refusent de voir la vérité.
> > Si Linux était vraiment simple (comme Windows et Mac),
> > il n'en serait pas à 0,8% du marché grand-public.

On Wednesday 15 January 2020 09:35:42 NoSpam wrote:
>Comment expliquer alors que la vente des Chromebooks explose aux US ?
> 
www.zdnet.fr/actualites/windows-chahute-en-classe-bientot-le-bonnet-d-ane-39865116.htm
 
> Etant possesseur de l' une de ces machines, un regal, y compris avec 
> Linux installe: 3 OS disponibles en meme temps, qui dit mieux ?

> Il faut voir plus loin que le bout de son nez... :

J'ai un long nez, donc ça va :-)

La majorité des smartphones sont vendus avec Androïd pré-installé,
(un dérivé de Linux, pas vraiment libre) et 90% l'utilisent,
et personne ne s'en plaint.

Si un équivalent d'Androïd pour ordinateurs, avec les qualité de Linux,
était vendu pré-installé dans la plupart des boutiques, tôt ou tard, 
90% des ordinateurs seraient sous Androïd.

Microsoft a perdu la bataille 
- des serveurs au profit de Linux,
- des smartphones au profit d'Androïd,
- de sa suite bureautique au profit de Libreoffice.

La firme reste majoritaire dans le marché grand-public,
mais a complètement modifié sa politique vis à vis de Linux, 
du logiciel Opensource, manoeuvre pour tenter de rattraper 
le marché des professionnels.

A. Valmer

Re: xdvi refresh

[tomas]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:51:47AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 15 Jan 2020 at 08:00:50 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 08:16:17PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > > On Debian 10 (Buster), running latex does not cause refresh of xdvi,
> > > as I seem to recall that it does on Debian 8 and 9.  Instead, I must
> > > click on the screen for refresh.
> > > 
> > > Having read the xdvi man page, I think this could be corrected by
> > > invoking:
> > > 
> > > xdvi -watchfile 1  &
> > 
> > It should be, yes. Note that there is an X resource you can set
> > (.watchFile). Perhaps it was set in an earlier packaged version
> > of xdvi. Perhaps just your .xdvirc disappeared.
> > 
> > So try to put
> > 
> >   *watchFile: 1
> > 
> > in your ~/.xdvirc, perhaps it helps.
> 
> I was put off suggesting this file because mine is headed by:
> 
> !!! ~/.xdvirc, used by xdvi(1) to save user preferences.

[...]

> In addition, the "configuration" file appears to behave as a
> history file as well, and I usually prefer not to use them
> (eg I use .lesshst, but .bash_history is a largeish readonly
> file.)

Good points.

> For these reasons, I thought .Xresources might be a better location.
> (Untested, because I don't use xdvi nowadays. I keep a couple of
> old DVIs around, one dating from 1990, as test files.)

Yes, that looks like the best approach. The man page states that
.xdvirc overrides X resources, so it seems advisable to keep an
eye on that.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[John Hasler]

Alexander writes:
> It also means Microsoft will now change many downloadable support 
> packages so they won't run anymore on Windows 7

The Wanderer writes:
> Possible, although I wouldn't expect them to bother to go and make
> changes en-masse. It's more likely that they just won't bother to make
> sure that future changes to such packages remain compatible with
> Windows 7.

Which could be much worse than making sure they won't run on 7.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: xdvi refresh

[David Wright]

On Wed 15 Jan 2020 at 08:00:50 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 08:16:17PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > On Debian 10 (Buster), running latex does not cause refresh of xdvi,
> > as I seem to recall that it does on Debian 8 and 9.  Instead, I must
> > click on the screen for refresh.
> > 
> > Having read the xdvi man page, I think this could be corrected by
> > invoking:
> > 
> > xdvi -watchfile 1  &
> 
> It should be, yes. Note that there is an X resource you can set
> (.watchFile). Perhaps it was set in an earlier packaged version
> of xdvi. Perhaps just your .xdvirc disappeared.
> 
> So try to put
> 
>   *watchFile: 1
> 
> in your ~/.xdvirc, perhaps it helps.

I was put off suggesting this file because mine is headed by:

!!! ~/.xdvirc, used by xdvi(1) to save user preferences.
!!!
!!! Do not edit this file, it will be overwritten by xdvi.
!!! This file contains resources that have been set via the
!!! menus/dialogs. The contents of this file will override
!!! the entries in your ~/.Xdefaults file (but not the command
!!! line arguments passed to xdvi). Remove this file
!!! if you want to get rid of all these customizations,
!!! or start xdvi with the `-q' option to ignore this file.
!!!

In addition, the "configuration" file appears to behave as a
history file as well, and I usually prefer not to use them
(eg I use .lesshst, but .bash_history is a largeish readonly
file.)

For these reasons, I thought .Xresources might be a better location.
(Untested, because I don't use xdvi nowadays. I keep a couple of
old DVIs around, one dating from 1990, as test files.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Stretch to Buster upgrade from local nonfree DVD iso

[Brian]

On Wed 15 Jan 2020 at 08:08:30 -0800, Alan Savage wrote:

> I am trying to upgrade from stretch to buster using the nonfree
> installation DVD ISO "firmware-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" that I downloaded
> using the torrent here:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.2.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/
> 
> I copied the ISO to the local drive on my computer and added this line to
> fstab:
> 
> /data/firmware-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /mnt/apt iso9660 user,loop 0 0
> 
> mounted it, then added the source like this:
> sudo apt-cdrom -m -d=/mnt/apt add
> 
> which added a line to /etc/apt/source.list, but when I do "sudo apt update"
> I get the error
> 
> "Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update
> cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs"
> then
> E: The repository 'cdrom://...snip...' does not have a Release file.
> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore
> disabled by default.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

See sources.list(5) and adjust the line in /etc/apt/sources.list to
begin with "deb [trusted=yes]".

-- 
Brian.

Re: xdvi

[David Wright]

On Wed 15 Jan 2020 at 06:11:47 (+), Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:28:02PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > As soon as I switched to pdflatex, I started using a blink comparator
> > technique (between two fvwm viewports) which depends on one of the
> > PDF renderings remaining unchanged while the other (same PDF) is
> > updated (with r) each time the source is reprocessed. xdvi would
> > make that near impossible.
> 
> David, The technique sounds interesting; I should give it a try.
> Where is it documented?  Must I start using fvwm?

I'm not sure, because I haven't been adventurous in trying out other
window managers (leaving aside DEs). I once tried xfwm4, and obviously
I played with twm in the last century when I first used X.

The method is simple, like most of my techniques, and is limited to
working on one page at a time, and using xpdf (or any viewer that can
be coerced into not refreshing).

Open the source file in an editor¹, process the source to produce a
PDF (either in an xterm² or with the editor's compile directive),
view the PDF⁴. ¹ ² and ⁴ are fvwm viewports as shown below, which can
be instantly switched between with ⊞ → ← ↑ ↓ (my bindings).

Make changes in the source, reprocess, and view the PDF in ³.
Switching back and forth between ³ and ⁴ gives you the blink
comparator effect. Make more changes in the source, reprocess,
and hit r in ³ so that ³ stays up to date but ⁴ is unchanged.

 |¹editor window |²xterm for processing |³PDF up-to-date |⁴PDF original |
  ←—→

I find this useful when fine-tuning small cosmetic changes.
For example, the positions of "kam die" and "world made" in the
attached are a visual compromise, because these words apply to
notes that are necessarily out of alignment.

Cheers,
David.

Stretch to Buster upgrade from local nonfree DVD iso

[Alan Savage]

I am trying to upgrade from stretch to buster using the nonfree
installation DVD ISO "firmware-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" that I downloaded
using the torrent here:
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.2.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/

I copied the ISO to the local drive on my computer and added this line to
fstab:

/data/firmware-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /mnt/apt iso9660 user,loop 0 0

mounted it, then added the source like this:
sudo apt-cdrom -m -d=/mnt/apt add

which added a line to /etc/apt/source.list, but when I do "sudo apt update"
I get the error

"Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update
cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs"
then
E: The repository 'cdrom://...snip...' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore
disabled by default.

What am I doing wrong?

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[David Christensen]

On 2020-01-15 06:09, Dan Purgert wrote:

Format and install a Linux distro of your choice.


+1


(That was my first idea, but concluded that the OP only wanted 
suggestions for the Debian gateway.)



David

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[David Christensen]

On 2020-01-14 23:35, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

David Christensen wrote:

Configure your firewall to block traffic in both directions between the
Windows 7 hosts and the Internet.


Good idea.


https://drboli.wordpress.com/2009/03/06/the-little-dutch-boy-who-saved-holland/



Additional: block traffic between the Windows 7 hosts, as an infected one
might infect others.


More putty, please.


David

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[David Christensen]

On 2020-01-14 21:25, john doe wrote:

Hi,

I have a Debian server serving/doing DHCP/DNS/firewall/..., as of
today, Microsoft stops supporting Windows7.

Is there anything that I could do to protect those Windows7 hosts
that are behind this server?

P.S.

For the sake of this question, upgrading to W10 /buying new Windows 
devices is not an option.



On 2020-01-14 22:30, David Christensen wrote:

Configure your firewall to block traffic in both directions between
the Windows 7 hosts and the Internet.



On 2020-01-14 23:05, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

And stuff putty into the USB ports :-D

(no, that wasn't a serious proposal. Just a reminder that goodies are
not only delivered via Internet).

If you are trying to protect your users... well, you know.


Permatex® Steel Weld™ Epoxy looks good:

https://www.permatex.com/products/adhesives-sealants/epoxies/permatex-steel-weld-epoxy/


David

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[Dan Purgert]

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john doe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a Debian server serving/doing DHCP/DNS/firewall/..., as of today,
> Microsoft stops supporting Windows7.
>
> Is there anything that I could do to protect those Windows7 hosts that
> are behind this server?

Since updating to W10 is out, the only real options are:

Physically remove them from all networks (LAN, WiFi, and sneakernet).
Format and install a Linux distro of your choice.

Just blocking connectivity "to the internet" isn't enough, as there are
other avenues that could cause the systems to be compromised.


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Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[Ben Lavender]

Wanderer is correct here, you can attempt to purchase an ESU for it, which
depends on version.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4527878/faq-about-extended-security-updates-for-windows-

Regards

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020, 13:48 The Wanderer,  wrote:

> On 2020-01-15 at 01:29, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
>
> > On 15.01.2020 10:25, john doe wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a Debian server serving/doing DHCP/DNS/firewall/..., as of
> >> today, Microsoft stops supporting Windows7.
> >>
> >> Is there anything that I could do to protect those Windows7 hosts
> >> that are behind this server?
> >>
> >> P.S.
> >>
> >> For the sake of this question, upgrading to W10 /buying new
> >> Windows devices is not an option.
> >
> > End of support for Windows 7 means that you won't get OS updates, or
> > any kind of support anymore.
>
> True. (Unless you have a paid extended-support contract with Microsoft,
> in which case - as long as you keep paying, I think per-computer - you
> have something like another two years.)
>
> > It also means Microsoft will now change many downloadable support
> > packages so they won't run anymore on Windows 7
>
> Possible, although I wouldn't expect them to bother to go and make
> changes en-masse. It's more likely that they just won't bother to make
> sure that future changes to such packages remain compatible with Windows 7.
>
> > and delete TechNet articles about Windows 7,
>
> Are you sure? I've never seen them do that with previous releases; at
> the least, I'm fairly sure I keep running across Technet articles (and
> other support documents) marked as being for older Windows versions,
> when I'm looking for ones that apply to something newer.
>
> > and also 3rd party software developers now have rights to deny any
> > support for Windows 7.
>
> They had that before; it just wasn't a particularly good idea in many
> cases. Some of them will probably start doing this, while others will
> probably continue offering as much support as they did before, at least
> for a good while.
>
> > If Windows 7 is unsupported it doesn't means it will stop function,
> > it means, in terms of support and maintenance, you're on your own. It
> > will stay as secure as it is to this day
>
> Modulo the discovery of new security vulnerabilities, which currently
> exist but aren't yet known about, anyway. So technically true, but
> doesn't mean what it might appear to mean at first glance.
>
> Personally, I'm half-expecting one or more previously unknown zero-day
> vulnerabilities to be revealed and start being actively exploited today,
> now that the only people who will be getting patches for them are the
> ones who have paid extended-support contracts with Microsoft.
>
> > and it doesn't really depend on firewall, if you won't open
> > (port-forward) high risk service ports (like RDP, SMB, etc) to the
> > internet, of course.
>
> I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. While yes, if you
> wall a Windows 7 computer off from access to the Internet any security
> vulnerabilities it may have will become far closer to irrelevant than
> otherwise be the case, anything short of that will still leave ways by
> which it could get infected (especially assuming less-than-perfect
> security behavior on the part of users) - and the full wall-off would
> most likely be impractical for real-world use.
>
> --
>The Wanderer
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
>
>

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-01-15 at 01:29, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

> On 15.01.2020 10:25, john doe wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a Debian server serving/doing DHCP/DNS/firewall/..., as of
>> today, Microsoft stops supporting Windows7.
>> 
>> Is there anything that I could do to protect those Windows7 hosts
>> that are behind this server?
>> 
>> P.S.
>> 
>> For the sake of this question, upgrading to W10 /buying new
>> Windows devices is not an option.
> 
> End of support for Windows 7 means that you won't get OS updates, or
> any kind of support anymore.

True. (Unless you have a paid extended-support contract with Microsoft,
in which case - as long as you keep paying, I think per-computer - you
have something like another two years.)

> It also means Microsoft will now change many downloadable support 
> packages so they won't run anymore on Windows 7

Possible, although I wouldn't expect them to bother to go and make
changes en-masse. It's more likely that they just won't bother to make
sure that future changes to such packages remain compatible with Windows 7.

> and delete TechNet articles about Windows 7,

Are you sure? I've never seen them do that with previous releases; at
the least, I'm fairly sure I keep running across Technet articles (and
other support documents) marked as being for older Windows versions,
when I'm looking for ones that apply to something newer.

> and also 3rd party software developers now have rights to deny any
> support for Windows 7.

They had that before; it just wasn't a particularly good idea in many
cases. Some of them will probably start doing this, while others will
probably continue offering as much support as they did before, at least
for a good while.

> If Windows 7 is unsupported it doesn't means it will stop function,
> it means, in terms of support and maintenance, you're on your own. It
> will stay as secure as it is to this day

Modulo the discovery of new security vulnerabilities, which currently
exist but aren't yet known about, anyway. So technically true, but
doesn't mean what it might appear to mean at first glance.

Personally, I'm half-expecting one or more previously unknown zero-day
vulnerabilities to be revealed and start being actively exploited today,
now that the only people who will be getting patches for them are the
ones who have paid extended-support contracts with Microsoft.

> and it doesn't really depend on firewall, if you won't open
> (port-forward) high risk service ports (like RDP, SMB, etc) to the
> internet, of course.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. While yes, if you
wall a Windows 7 computer off from access to the Internet any security
vulnerabilities it may have will become far closer to irrelevant than
otherwise be the case, anything short of that will still leave ways by
which it could get infected (especially assuming less-than-perfect
security behavior on the part of users) - and the full wall-off would
most likely be impractical for real-world use.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: I need to be root to run this script

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 08:32:12PM -0800, Will Mengarini wrote:
> And the ls -R would be helped by this:
>   for f in /etc/sudoers.d/*;{ [[ -f $f ]] && echo === "$f" && cat "$f";}

I'm *definitely* not a fan of stretching the shell's parser in that
way (replacing do ... done with a braced command group).

That said, here's an alternative that you may find interesting:

tail -n+1 /etc/sudoers.d/*

[apt-pinning] always install given package and its deps from unstable

[Samuel Henrique]

Hello people,

These days I'm wondering what's the correct approach to have the
following behaviour:

* Using Testing
* Always install firefox (or some other packages) and its deps from the
unstable repository
* Keep downloading upgrades of these packages from unstable
* Don't install anything else from unstable unless the I'm using "apt -t
sid install"

I've tried somethings in the past, like using apt pinning to set everything
from unstable to -1, and firefox to something else, but it doesn't seems to
work exactly how I intended to.

I don't remember the details about what exactly didn't work*, so I would
like
to get some examples of people who are accomplishing the same and how
they have chosen to do so, as opposed to debug my scenario.

* If I remember correctly, I still needed to use "-t sid" to install
firefox in that
case, I don't remember what priority I was setting though.

-- 
Samuel Henrique 

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[Joe]

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 10:51:31 +
Ben Lavender  wrote:

> I personally recommend upgrading them, 
> 
> Think hard if you really need them as you may be able to remove then
> entirely.
> 

Please note:

> >
> > For the sake of this question, upgrading to W10 /buying new Windows
> > devices is not an option.
> >
> > --
> > John Doe
> >
> >  

To the OP:

To stand any chance of protecting them, they must use neither the
Web nor email, nor preferably have any other Internet connection. As we
saw with XP, future MS updates will be carefully scrutinised for clues
by malware writers, on the basis that many W7 users aren't even aware of
the end of support, and many more will ignore it.

-- 
Joe

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:28:18 -03 Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 07:22:53 -03 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > /dev/disk/by-id
>
> LG HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH16NS40_K9PF41A4730
>
> Also a nice day to you
>
I'm sorry; this mail went before it had been finished.
This unit does not retract the tray automatically.
After 9'38" it still has no intentiuon to retract.

--
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE

Re: I need to be root to run this script

[Linux-Fan]

kaye n writes:


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:19 AM l0f...@tuta.io>
wrote:
   Yes, and please paste the output of the following commands (both on your
   other distro & your Debian):

   ls -R /etc/sudoers.dcat /etc/sudoers
   ls -l /usr/local/bin/backlight-brightness

   Best regards,
   l0f4r0

Hi friends
Are you guys sure you want to see the contents of the script? It has 574
lines of code in there.


Having the script will still be useful. In case you want to reduce the file
size: Run it through `gzip` (or `xz`) first and then attach it to your e-mail.


This is on Debian:

kaye@laptop:~$  ls -R /etc/sudoers.dcat /etc/sudoers
ls: cannot access '/etc/sudoers.dcat': No such file or directory
/etc/sudoers


[...]

as mentioned elsewhere: ls -R /etc/sudoers.d and cat /etc/sudoers are two
separate commands. Note additionally that these commands will likely need to
run as root. I'd also recommend `cat /etc/sudoers.d/*`. In case outputs are
long, save them to a file by adding ` >> /tmp/file.txt` at the end of the
commandlines. You can then attach them to e-mails (or run them through gz or
xz first if they are "large" :) ).

HTH
Linux-Fan

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[Ben Lavender]

I personally recommend upgrading them, if not then ensure they are isolated
from the rest of the network as well as ensure they do not have WAN access.
Further ensure they are protected by an up-to-date AV with regular scans.

Think hard if you really need them as you may be able to remove then
entirely.

Regards

Ben Lavender

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020, 05:25 john doe,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a Debian server serving/doing DHCP/DNS/firewall/..., as of today,
> Microsoft stops supporting Windows7.
>
> Is there anything that I could do to protect those Windows7 hosts that
> are behind this server?
>
> P.S.
>
> For the sake of this question, upgrading to W10 /buying new Windows
> devices is not an option.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[Haricophile]

Le mardi 14 janvier 2020 à 09:02 +0100, Georges a écrit :
> Avec Windows VOUS DEVEZ REDÉMARRER, avec Linux VOUS DEVEZ ÊTRE   ROOT
> (administrateur)
> 
>  Pour ceux qui sous W$ ne maîtrisent pas le 'ANGLAIS' ;-) ou qui
>  refusent de 's'intéresser au fonctionnement d'un ordinateur'. ;-)

lol, comme si sous Windows vous ne DEVIEZ pas AUSSI être administrateur. A tel
point que l'immense majorité des ordi particuliers travaillent avec un «compte
administrateur» parce que sinon c'est très pénible; Un peu moins sous Win10 je
crois.

P.S. Un «compte administrateur» sous Windows c'est comme un utilisateur Gnu-
Linux avec un SUDOERS mal configuré.

P.P.S. Puisqu'on est dans le troll, win10 c'est un truc où ils ont amélioré la
fiabilité, mais avec leur système de mise à jour dite (par moi) par
supperposition de couches selon la méthode du mille feuille, c'est la roulette
russe à chaque mise à jour importante. On ne peut ni être certain que la mise
a jour va pouvoir se faire sans réinstaller (bien pour la sécurité des
novices...), ni certain que l'ordi va redémarrer, ni comment il va redémarrer,
ni si ça va mettre 3mn ou 20 heures!

Ma fille (prof des écoles) vient encore d'en être victime (-_-); Depuis win3.1
je me demande toujours comment on peut prendre cet OS au sérieux. Il ont quand
même comme spécialité quand quelque chose merde de faire croire au clients que
c'est normal plutôt que de payer les gens à corriger le problèmes.

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[Klaus Singvogel]

john doe wrote:
> How would I go about that, I don't see how I can restrict inter host
> connections that are on the same subnet?

Some switches can do so, like managed switches: use a VLAN for Windoze
hosts and configure the VLAN that way, if possible.

Even my DSL router can be configured to do so, but only global for all
hosts in the net (which is not helpful in my setup).

Best regards,
Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[yamo']

Salut,

Jean-Marc a tapoté le 13/01/2020 19:50:
> Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:53:15 +0100
> Klaus Becker  écrivait :
> 
>> J'ai rencontré aussi pls personnes qui ont donné leur scanner parce 
>> qu'il ne fonctionne pas sous Win10
> Bizarre !  Dans ce sens-là, il y a quand même beaucoup moins de plaintes.
> 
> Perso, quelqu'un de ma famille a eu la blague.
> Du matos plus supporté après un saut de version de Windows.
> Mais qui fonctionnait parfaitement sous GNU/Linux.
> 
> Et vu le marché et le nombre de PC's dans le cas, je ne comprends pas 
> l'absence de réaction.


Par ce que beaucoup de personnes pensent qu'il n'y a que de deux choix :
windows ou mac et pensent donc n'avoir pas le choix face à cette situation.

Il y a même des personnes qui pensent qu'Android est du windows!

-- 
Stéphane

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[ilario . quinson]

Merci pour le lien, la législation italienne est très très compliqué surtout 
côté fiscalité, changer toute une série de logiciel pour passer a linux 
comporterait des frais et des problèmes techniques énormes. Juste pour vous 
faire un exemple pour une simple addition du restaurant faudra bientôt avoir 
deux imprimantes donc une avec valence fiscale et l'autre pour préparer le 
proforma avant émission de addition définitive.

Ilario

Il 15 gennaio 2020 09:52:33 CET, NoSpam  ha scritto:
>
>Le 15/01/2020 à 09:39, ilario.quinson@e.email a écrit :
>> Si je regarde la réalité de l'hôtel ou je travaille ca donne:
>logiciel 
>> des réservations, logiciel comptabilité, logiciel accès aux chambres.
>
>> Selon vous mon patron peut il passer a linux?
>
>Oui, va voir comdif.com J' ai fais une installation avec le logiciel,
>ca 
>marche bien.
>
>
>> Côté pilotes multifonction, j'ai installée ma brother sur fedora31 
>> xfce, je me retrouve avec une imprimante dans le applet system 
>> printer, mais quand je lance une impression. je me trouve avec deux 
>> imprimantes dont une ne me permet pas le recto verso.
>>
>> C'est pas demain la veille.
>> Malheureusement
>>
>> Ilario
>>
>> Il 14 gennaio 2020 20:32:41 CET, Bruno Volpi 
>ha 
>> scritto:
>>
>> ce n'est pas une question de qui est plus simple ou plus
>conviviale ,
>> mais un simple fait marchand.
>>
>> 99,99% des pc sont vendu avec MS window et une très grande partie
>des
>> personnes qui achètent ces PC ignorent qu'il existe un autre OS (
>ils ne
>> savent même pas ce qu'est un OS) et ils ne savent installer ni
>l'un ni
>> l'autre , donc par facilité  il laisse le PC en l'état.
>>
>> c'est ce qu'on appelle la force du Marketing.
>>
>>
>> Le 14/01/2020 à 18:57, ajh-valmer a écrit :
>>
>> On Tuesday 14 January 2020 13:41:21 Belaïd wrote:
>>
>> Je suis bien d'accord. Linux est devenu vraiment plus
>> facile a manipuler pour les novices , les interfaces et
>> bureaux sont devenus beaucoups plus simples, agréables ,
>> belles ... Quelques exemples : le bureau de Deepin Linux
>> et Elementary OS, très agréable a l'oeil ... Le lun. 13
>> janv. 2020 19:33, Klaus Becker  a écrit
>:
>>
>> non, GNU/Linux (!) n'est pas plus compliqué que Win,
>> même souvent bien plus simple. Mais changer
>d'habitude
>> n'est pas toujours simple. 
>>
>> Tant pis si certains refusent de voir la vérité. Si Linux
>> était vraiment simple (comme Windows et Mac), il n'en serait
>> pas à 0,8% du marché grand-public. Par contre, Linux domine à
>> 85% du marché professionnel. . 
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Inviato da /e/ Mail. 

-- Inviato da /e/ Mail.

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[NoSpam]

Le 15/01/2020 à 09:39, ilario.quinson@e.email a écrit :
Si je regarde la réalité de l'hôtel ou je travaille ca donne: logiciel 
des réservations, logiciel comptabilité, logiciel accès aux chambres. 
Selon vous mon patron peut il passer a linux?


Oui, va voir comdif.com J' ai fais une installation avec le logiciel, ca 
marche bien.



Côté pilotes multifonction, j'ai installée ma brother sur fedora31 
xfce, je me retrouve avec une imprimante dans le applet system 
printer, mais quand je lance une impression. je me trouve avec deux 
imprimantes dont une ne me permet pas le recto verso.


C'est pas demain la veille.
Malheureusement

Ilario

Il 14 gennaio 2020 20:32:41 CET, Bruno Volpi  ha 
scritto:


ce n'est pas une question de qui est plus simple ou plus conviviale ,
mais un simple fait marchand.

99,99% des pc sont vendu avec MS window et une très grande partie des
personnes qui achètent ces PC ignorent qu'il existe un autre OS ( ils ne
savent même pas ce qu'est un OS) et ils ne savent installer ni l'un ni
l'autre , donc par facilité  il laisse le PC en l'état.

c'est ce qu'on appelle la force du Marketing.


Le 14/01/2020 à 18:57, ajh-valmer a écrit :

On Tuesday 14 January 2020 13:41:21 Belaïd wrote:

Je suis bien d'accord. Linux est devenu vraiment plus
facile a manipuler pour les novices , les interfaces et
bureaux sont devenus beaucoups plus simples, agréables ,
belles ... Quelques exemples : le bureau de Deepin Linux
et Elementary OS, très agréable a l'oeil ... Le lun. 13
janv. 2020 19:33, Klaus Becker  a écrit :

non, GNU/Linux (!) n'est pas plus compliqué que Win,
même souvent bien plus simple. Mais changer d'habitude
n'est pas toujours simple. 


Tant pis si certains refusent de voir la vérité. Si Linux
était vraiment simple (comme Windows et Mac), il n'en serait
pas à 0,8% du marché grand-public. Par contre, Linux domine à
85% du marché professionnel. . 




-- Inviato da /e/ Mail. 

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[Klaus Becker]

Le 15/01/2020 à 09:39, ilario.quinson@e.email a écrit :
Si je regarde la réalité de l'hôtel ou je travaille ca donne: logiciel 
des réservations, logiciel comptabilité, logiciel accès aux chambres. 
Selon vous mon patron peut il passer a linux?
Côté pilotes multifonction, j'ai installée ma brother sur fedora31 xfce, 
je me retrouve avec une imprimante dans le applet system printer, mais 
quand je lance une impression. je me trouve avec deux imprimantes dont 
une ne me permet pas le recto verso.


C'est pas demain la veille.
Malheureusement

Ilario



Salut

Mais tout matos ne fonctionne pas d'office sous Win non plus, il peut y 
avoir des problèmes aussi. Et dans ce cas, Win est souvent bcp plus 
compliqué que GNU/Linux.


Klaus

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[ilario . quinson]

Si je regarde la réalité de l'hôtel ou je travaille ca donne: logiciel des 
réservations, logiciel comptabilité, logiciel accès aux chambres. Selon vous 
mon patron peut il passer a linux?
Côté pilotes multifonction, j'ai installée ma brother sur fedora31 xfce, je me 
retrouve avec une imprimante dans le applet system printer, mais quand je lance 
une impression. je me trouve avec deux imprimantes dont une ne me permet pas le 
recto verso.

C'est pas demain la veille.
Malheureusement

Ilario

Il 14 gennaio 2020 20:32:41 CET, Bruno Volpi  ha scritto:
>ce n'est pas une question de qui est plus simple ou plus conviviale , 
>mais un simple fait marchand.
>
>99,99% des pc sont vendu avec MS window et une très grande partie des 
>personnes qui achètent ces PC ignorent qu'il existe un autre OS ( ils
>ne 
>savent même pas ce qu'est un OS) et ils ne savent installer ni l'un ni 
>l'autre , donc par facilité  il laisse le PC en l'état.
>
>c'est ce qu'on appelle la force du Marketing.
>
>
>Le 14/01/2020 à 18:57, ajh-valmer a écrit :
>> On Tuesday 14 January 2020 13:41:21 Belaïd wrote:
>>> Je suis bien d'accord. Linux est devenu vraiment plus facile a
>manipuler
>>> pour les novices , les interfaces et bureaux sont devenus beaucoups
>plus
>>> simples, agréables , belles ... Quelques exemples : le bureau de
>Deepin
>>> Linux et Elementary OS, très agréable a l'oeil ...
>>> Le lun. 13 janv. 2020 19:33, Klaus Becker  a écrit
>:
 non, GNU/Linux (!) n'est pas plus compliqué que Win, même souvent
>bien
 plus simple.
 Mais changer d'habitude n'est pas toujours simple.
>> Tant pis si certains refusent de voir la vérité.
>>
>> Si Linux était vraiment simple (comme Windows et Mac),
>> il n'en serait pas à 0,8% du marché grand-public.
>>
>> Par contre, Linux domine à 85% du marché professionnel.
>>
>> .

-- Inviato da /e/ Mail.

Re: [HS] kde veut accueillir les naufragés de windows 7

[NoSpam]

Le 14/01/2020 à 18:57, ajh-valmer a écrit :

On Tuesday 14 January 2020 13:41:21 Belaïd wrote:

Je suis bien d'accord. Linux est devenu vraiment plus facile a manipuler
pour les novices , les interfaces et bureaux sont devenus beaucoups plus
simples, agréables , belles ... Quelques exemples : le bureau de Deepin
Linux et Elementary OS, très agréable a l'oeil ...
Le lun. 13 janv. 2020 19:33, Klaus Becker  a écrit :

non, GNU/Linux (!) n'est pas plus compliqué que Win, même souvent bien
plus simple.
Mais changer d'habitude n'est pas toujours simple.

Tant pis si certains refusent de voir la vérité.

Si Linux était vraiment simple (comme Windows et Mac),
il n'en serait pas à 0,8% du marché grand-public.


Il faut voir plus loin que le bout de son nez. Comment expliquer alors 
que la vente des Chromebooks explose aux US ?


https://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/windows-chahute-en-classe-bientot-le-bonnet-d-ane-39865116.htm 
(a date 2018)


Etant possesseur de l' une de ces machines, un regal, y compris avec 
Linux installe: 3 OS disponibles en meme temps, qui dit mieux ?


[...]

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[john doe]

On 1/15/2020 8:35 AM, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> David Christensen wrote:
>> Configure your firewall to block traffic in both directions between the
>> Windows 7 hosts and the Internet.
>
> Good idea.
>
> Additional: block traffic between the Windows 7 hosts, as an infected one
> might infect others.
>

How would I go about that, I don't see how I can restrict inter host
connections that are on the same subnet?

Thanks to all for suggestingfirewall restriction.

--
John Doe

Re: Poll about DVD drive behavior

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> LG HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH16NS40_K9PF41A4730
> after 09'38" still has no intention to retract the tray.

That one i have too since 2013. After two years it lost its ability to
recognize BD media. But a house move and three years on the shelf caused
a miracle cure. Now it is back in service.


Brad Rogers wrote:
> Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-5240S
> the OPtiarc's tray was out for quite some time.
> In the order of three minutes or so.

Now i don't feel that alone any more. And again, the "24" is in the name.
This could give birth to an interesting urban legend.

Google says it was available in 2010. This is much older than my two
self-loaders. My LG GH24NSC0 is from 2015. The ASUS DRW-24D5MT is from
last week.


> HL-DT-ST_DVD-ROM_GDR-H30N
> retracted in a much shorter time the 200 secs you mention.
> Certainly less than 90 seconds.

I find firmware for it from 2006.
But less than 90 seconds looks like this could have a different cause.

It would be interesting to learn whether both drives perform the auto
pull-in when only BIOS (or EFI) is running and waiting for some boot
decision.


songbird wrote:
>  it will sit there until i do something to it.

Which vendor and model ?

> i'm not actually sure if it will close when i shut down the system
> but i think it will close when i boot up.

Closing at power up is normal. I'm not sure whether its the firmware of
the drive or of the main board which orders this.


>   i hate it when machines do things i don't want them to do.

It is a strange feature. If i only could find any tangible description.
Best would be to find a (proprietary) SCSI command which disables or
enables it.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Protecting no longer supported Windows7

[deloptes]

David Christensen wrote:

> Configure your firewall to block traffic in both directions between the
> Windows 7 hosts and the Internet.

+1

isolate from outside you can use them in the local network.