Re: wordperfect 5.1 for unix, and debian?

2014-12-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:00:56PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/19/2014 09:41 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: hm whatever deepens your sense of self lol! Happy Holidays to you and everyone, Don't forget to have a Merry

Re: is sshd really restarting?

2014-12-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: What about: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh -vvv restart Sorry but the /etc/init.d/ssh doesn't take any -v options. Arrrghhh! of course, what was I thinking. :( -- If you're not careful, the newspapers

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 08:48:41AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Surely, it would have all been so much simpler, if the original poster in the thread, had put the question To what personal uses, do people put their computers?. What correlation need there be between

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 03:51:49AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: Oh, and, from what I understand, unless the statistics have changed, regarding the consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) from what I understand, most people who use computers do not use Linux as

Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 04:26:42PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 15:44:59 Michael Fothergill wrote: A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla logicas rationem omnino A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Do you mean *before* shutdown? -- If

Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:23:04PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 17:41:57 Michael Fothergill wrote: Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or bad a translation it is

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 10:15:24AM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: It IS accurate to say that after Jessie is released as stable. Jessie No. 'Jessie is frozen *until* it is released as stable. has been frozen, and only RC fixes are being made. This is not considered an RC fix. That link I

Re: Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly -OT

2014-12-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:36:16AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 07 Dec 2014, Clive Standbridge wrote: I think the Dali Llama is a Spanish surrealistic painting of a South American ruminant, noted for fleecing the tin foil crowd. You win! -- Clive In the film Troy

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 05:15:36PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Chris Bannister wrote: [I've somehow deleted the other messages, so this one will have to do] On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 01:59:02PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Patrick Bartek: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-11-30 Thread Chris Bannister
[I've somehow deleted the other messages, so this one will have to do] On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 01:59:02PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Patrick Bartek: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, John Hasler wrote: Patrick Bartek writes: It seems systemd cannot not be installed in Jessie. You mean Testing.

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-11-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:10:23PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/27/2014 at 09:33 PM, John Hasler wrote: Patrick Bartek writes: It seems systemd cannot not be installed in Jessie. You mean Testing. Jessie has not been released. My understanding of the way the Debian release

disk group (was ... Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?)

2014-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 02:46:24PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: In which case I'd recommend:- *1.* uncommenting the user_allow_other line in /etc/fuse.conf *2.* changing the fstab line to:- LABEL=WinBackup /media/WinBackup ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,permissions,auto,noatime 0 0 *3.*

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:30:27AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: happened. But the upgrade was of over a thousand packages. All I was trying to do was to provide information which might prove helpful to others. But apparently one can have every good intention of not starting a fight on

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 02:44:19AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Or, perhaps a general rule for default settings - safest/do no harm? [just a wild guess] Wouldn't it make more sense having the default meaning: guarranteed to work on the majority of systems/setups enabling the admin to later

Re: [OT] alternative to dnsdynamic.com?

2014-11-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:11:04AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Paul Scott wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 07:40:42AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:03:19PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:56:41 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the message: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:47:51PM +0100, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:43:01 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 02:23:11PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:20:23 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:03:19PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:56:41 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11

Re: Bugs

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 04:37:54AM -0800, Chris Help wrote: Im affraid as i plug in router they go everywhere. They also at my brother, on my.harddrive from laptop. Im cannot dl whats app or call because of them. And really it was just i wanne to learn and no more Windows os. I had kali and

Re: Problems with grub2/initramfs-tools in chroot

2014-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:59:11PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 21 November 2014 22:43:11 Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/11/14 15:13, Ross Boylan wrote: Over the last week I've repeatedly found

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 04:17:20PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: With curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11? If your version is newer, I thought maybe I could backport it from Jessie, but I don't know which package has the problem here, if cURL, OpenSSL, GnuTLS, etc. My version is older, as I'm using

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:43:22PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: The main thing that keeps me on Linux is Xen. Xen Dom0 on FreeBSD would have me there in an instant. https://wiki.netbsd.org/tutorials/how_to_set_up_a_xen_dom0/ -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 01:13:05PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/15/2014 08:51 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it? Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ? Sure, and I can

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:14:17PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 22:53:36, Joel Rees wrote: If you can't deal with it, snip it? I don't think it brings anything useful to a discussion on -user.

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 12:00:52PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/15/2014 08:35 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: At the same time, most debian users likely do not really care about transition plan and systemd. It was widely published everywhere in March and yet, no one would have cared if this

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 12:29:45PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: OdyX writes: ...please stop. Seriously. Please stop ranting about the ranting. Seriously. It's just as distracting and irritating as the rants themselves. Just filter the rant threads and those who post them. I'd filter all

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:32:43AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Some people think sex should only be for procreation... Are you procreation or against it? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the

Re: Qsynth working, Fluidsynth not

2014-11-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 09:28:23PM +0100, Francesco Ariis wrote: Hello Debian users, I recently bought a MIDI keyboard and tried it with qsynth (which is the Qt interface to fluidsynth); everything works (midi events are recognised, sound comes out, using alsa_seq). Now to the

veto -- decision making in Debian.

2014-11-16 Thread Chris Bannister
Hi, There is an interesting discussion taking place on debian-devel starting with this message: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00484.html I'm not trying to 'put out fire with gasoline', I just thought that anybody with concerns may be interested in reading that thread. This

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:42:00PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Don Armstrong writes: Sexism like this is inappropriate in Debian. Please stop. Ok. List-parental-units. Or LPU's for short. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed,

[OT] Unfortunate sig (was ... Re: Joey Hess is out?)

2014-11-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 03:35:08AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 12/11/2014, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own. I resign. -- Patrick

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:53:47AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister writes: I read that as 'trouble unsubscribing?' then Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org. I wrote: I read it as 'technical trouble with this list'. You're right, though: now that we have listmoms the footer

Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-12 Thread Chris Bannister
[Please don't top post, it makes it hard to read/follow] On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 06:39:42PM +, Steve Greig wrote: apt-cache search android | less returns some interesting results? That was useful to know how to search the APT cache. I am thinking of starting a new thread as I

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:04:02PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On 11 November 2014 17:30, Morten Bo Johansen m...@spamcop.net wrote: On 2014-11-11 Lisi Reisz wrote: Intel runs fine on Wheezy, though you do need a kernel upgrade in the form of a backported kernel for some (though not all)

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:00:27AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister writes: I read that as 'trouble unsubscribing?' then Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org. I read it as 'technical trouble with this list'. You're right, though: now that we have listmoms the footer needs

Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 05:50:19PM +, Steve Greig wrote: I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have to download and install some software: adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if it is

Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:28:29AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: golinux wrote: Yes, Refracta is pure unmodified Debian and uses the Debian repos! As suggested, please join the forums and contribute expertise if possible. And report back! Those of us who are still waiting and seeing,

Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
[Please don't top post] On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:24:03PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Joel Roth wrote: Hi list, I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU and causes these processes to hang:

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:40:09AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: The listadmins act on things that they notice, or are brought to their attention. They are rather busy and all volunteers. If you think a post to this (list or any other Debian list) is in breach of the code of conduct, please

Re: mythtv fails to install

2014-11-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:46:04PM -0500, Rodney D. Myers wrote: attempting to get mythtv-common installed, but i keep getting this error in the shell; sudo apt-get install -f mythtv-common Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 04:38:04PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 05 November 2014 16:12:12 Jason C. Taylor wrote: So my opinions are Void for a laptop, desktop, notebook.  Server's are trickier.  Depends on your hardware and what software you need to run and how much time and effort

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-11-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 01:20:35PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/10/28 20:37 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz: On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:07:50PM +0100, lee wrote: The point is that I was right and you were wrong. It wasn't right of you to so strongly urge people to take

Re: Re:[Solved] New install: root account is locked, starting shell

2014-11-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:14:14PM -0400, tjr0...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone Now I know why I use Android. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X --

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-10-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 08:07:50PM +0100, lee wrote: The point is that I was right and you were wrong. It wasn't right of you to so strongly urge people to take issues upstream. It's not as easy to faciliate change as you seem to think. Now I know what the following joke means: There is a

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 03:16:59PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: - the LSB is a joint project of several Linux distributions. Ironically: The LSB has been criticized for not taking input from projects, most notably the Debian project, outside the sphere of its

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:32:31AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, it shouldn't be a issue. Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was

Re: understanding kernel compilation and

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Bannister
Please don't top post on this mailing list. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 04:22:30PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: Actually the problem is i am trying to install KVM guest windows 7 64 bit. during the installation everything went well. but when guest start for the first time my KVM guest shows

Re: download files from iceweasel using kdialog

2014-10-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:29:11PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 00:16, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com mailto:scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/10/14 23:32, kamaraju

Re: terminology: how do you change the foreground colour?

2014-10-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 01:49:17PM +0200, lee wrote: Hi, the subject already says it: How do you change the foreground colour in terminology? I can only set the background. What? ... Where? ummm ... http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- If you're not careful, the

Re: unattended-upgrades

2014-10-20 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 02:46:07PM +0200, Chris wrote: origin=Debian,archive=stable,label=Debian-Security; Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern:: origin=Debian,archive=oldstable,label=Debian-Security; ^ Is that right? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 03:24:32AM +0200, lee wrote: Klensin Standards Track[Page 71] RFC 5321 SMTP October 2008 if this address is null (), the receiver-SMTP MUST NOT send a notification.

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:16AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: Here are the first few seconds: Isn't this information available on the debian-vote list? Seems redundant to repost it here. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and

Re: dubious advice on claws-mail

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:25:18PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 13:11:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: For those of you using Claws-Mail, you can keep it systemd-free into the foreseeable future by disabling dbus, like this: ./configure --disable-dbus I've compiled

Re: update tool

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:18:53PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 17 oct 14, 20:20:29, Diogene Laerce wrote: Debian does have a specific tool to check if a system needs to be updated but many users will just want to manually check if any security updates are available for their

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-10-17 21:42 +0200, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 02:50:12PM -0300, Andre N Batista wrote: But if what you need is authority arguing for authority, instead of useless user words, well that's what's happening here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00061.html If you were able to read beyond the spell

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:00:21PM +0800, lina wrote: Any suggestions about failed to start remount root and kernel file system Is it due to updating issue? some package like systemd, or util-linux? Jessie box. Dunno. Is it an fstab issue? I'm only guessing here because you haven't

[lina.lastn...@gmail.com: Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
lina.lastn...@gmail.com To: Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:00:21PM +0800, lina wrote: Any suggestions about

Re: OT: Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 06:50:01AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Anyone who runs a mail server and doesn't keep logs shouldn't be running a mail server. *And* the postmaster address monitored, Anyone who runs a mail server and doesn't monitor the postmaster address shouldn't be running a

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 02:31:15PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 10/16/2014 14:07, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ansgar Burchardt wrote: No, what I find annoying is telling volunteer what they have to do without doing anything yourself on the issues you raise and repeating don't break Linux

Re: cant create a bootable iso with the 7.6

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:45:04PM +0100, Domenico Curigliano wrote: Hello guys, I experienced an issue with the 7.6 iso downloaded from debian.org. I don't understand what could be wrong. I tried to burn the iso file with nero on windows, k3b on linux and I also tried to create a usb

Re: [lina.lastn...@gmail.com: Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-16 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 09:13:47PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 17 oct 14, 00:05:50, Chris Bannister wrote: Lina, could you post to the list only, please. I haven't dived into systemd issues -- so can't help you, hoping someone else can. I see you refer to a [1

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:30:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I completely understand not reinventing the wheel, but if all you need is a spoke, you don't construct an interface to a whole wheel just to get your spoke. A wise old owl lived in an oak The more he saw the less he spoke The less

Re: how to identify reverse dependencies?

2014-10-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:34:05AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Thanks to those who've provided scripts and pointers to apt- capabilities. But... both out of curiosity and practicality - to the Debian developers out there - are there any tools on the SCM or build servers that run dependency

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:53:36AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/10/16 8:14 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:30:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I completely understand not reinventing the wheel, but if all you need is a spoke, you don't construct

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:45:03PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:01:33AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I suspect any list with offtopic in its name will get ignored when there is a large number of people want to say something about a specific topic. Would a list whose address was debian-user-newfeatures be more attractive? Are

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:47:28AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Why? Help and discussion among users of Debian seems like a perfectly good description and scope, of long standing. That is true, but look at the confusion it causes --- it gives the impression that anything can be discussed

Re: Recipient validation - WAS: Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:05:00AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: To bounce all of those invalid addresses not only would further increase the amount of junk on the internet, That is pure and absolute nonsense. The vast majority of spam comes from botnets, and *rejecting* garbage from these

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:31:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister writes: I thought there was a difference between a closed list (only subscribers can post) and a moderated list (each post is scrutinised for eligibility) --- or have I got the wrong end of the stick? This list

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:53:48AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:31:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister writes: I thought there was a difference between a closed list (only subscribers can post) and a moderated list (each post is scrutinised

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:50:32 +0200 lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote: Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: So at this point, most of us are pretty tired of the subject. And just ignore it and the consequences because you're tired

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 06:40:01PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:33:55 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: This to one of our best and most measured contributors. It's enough to make one weep. He could have been the pope. His attitude is part of the

Re: Network fails on headless system. I'm stuck!

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:42:52PM +0200, JPT wrote: Hi, I have an ARM hardware (ReadyNAS rn104) running debian jessie (testing). kernel is selfbuilt 3.16.3 Since a few days the system fails to boot. Serial console breaks at a point where it is fiddling with disks and network. Networking

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:20:27PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread). Teaching notes for college sounded great. Also have a read of this:

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:14:29PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote: On 12/10/14 18:13, John

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 02:10:11PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Which is another way of saying that you want others to have already made the mistakes for you. No it isn't! Ponder why most people take their car to a mechanic for servicing. And you snipped: As long as you recognize

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:59:24AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, lee: I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst the users (here). We don't do a GR among our users. We do that among Debian members/maintainers/developers/take-your-pick.

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:45:03PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: It seems that there's a lot of controversy about the SysV-replacement that should not be named. Most, if not all of the arguments for, as well as against seem to be of a philosophical, rather than stringent technichnical

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:53:03AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/10/13 2:14 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com: On Du, 12 oct 14, 10:30:52, The Wanderer wrote: On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Any program that requires additional scripting just to get it running

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 09:23:08PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 11 oct 14, 13:01:38, James Ensor wrote: And, just for the record, I started this exercise just because I was curious what would happen if I removed systemd. I don't claim to understand all the complexities of init

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 09:40:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Now that I've said that, you can accomplish some pretty incredible things by gluing a few commands together. I wrote the better half of a http log evaluation program using a shellscript gluing together grep, cut, and awk, and piped

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 06:52:20PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Tue 07 Oct 2014 at 17:18:56 +, Curt wrote: On 2014-10-07, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Self-censorship is one way of characterizing it. Another characterization would be sticking to the facts. A third

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 05:58:53PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:18:09 +1000 Stuart Longland stua...@longlandclan.yi.org wrote: The hard bit about things like firewalling, is that there is really a minimum technical understanding necessary to do it properly. You've

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:00:59AM +0100, Joe wrote: On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:35:22 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Joe wrote: Even fetchmail connects to the MTA on its own host by SMTP. How have you got yours configured

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Joe wrote: Even fetchmail connects to the MTA on its own host by SMTP. How have you got yours configured? fetchmail connects using the pop3 protocol in my configuration. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-07 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 08:59:30AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi Steve, On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 01:23:06AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: 1) Don't respond to obvious trolls. Although obvious trolls wasn't defined Since there is probably some concern that an obvious troll might not

Re: Software version issue

2014-10-07 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 09:05:08AM +0100, Joe wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:52:51 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Lu, 06 oct 14, 21:26:33, Joe wrote: So your choice is between testing and unstable, Jessie and Sid. Sid is a rougher ride, more likely to have

Re: Re: Downloading sources from an unsigned intranet repository

2014-10-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:00:42PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: Even though I tell apt-get to force download of the package sources (which, I might add, I can personally vouch for as I put them there), it refuses to do so because the package repository is unsigned. Now I *could*

Re: Jessie netinstall CD on very limited internet connection.......

2014-10-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 09:51:54PM +1100, Charlie wrote: As I thought. Downloaded on a very fast cable connection and burnt the CD on media which has never had any problems on a modern laptop etc., etc.. Probably, but not certain that I did the checksum confirmation. I thought it was

Re: Jessie netinstall CD on very limited internet connection.......

2014-10-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:34:57PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: If you think you have found a problem, then as a user of testing you should report it. You may have found an obscure bug which should be fixed *before* Jessie becomes the new stable. As users of testing, we should take a more

Re: Downloading sources from an unsigned intranet repository

2014-10-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 11:40:23AM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: Hi all, For some time now my workplace has had an APT repository for in-house developed packages for software we either produce or support. This lives on an internal intranet server and is accessed over plain HTTP. This has

Re: Jessie netinstall CD on very limited internet connection.......

2014-10-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 11:48:54AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Okay, looking at the OP's descriptions of the problems, should we ask the OP to go ask the release team whether an old netinstall image for testing should, in general, be able to recover from having the kernel on the CD out of sync

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 11:16:18PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes: The first question - why do you think you need to relay to other networks, even if they're your own? Do you have other SMTP servers running on those networks? Good question and

Re: Jessie netinstall CD on very limited internet connection.......

2014-10-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 04:26:48PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 11:48:54AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Okay, looking at the OP's descriptions of the problems, should we ask the OP to go ask the release team whether an old netinstall image for testing No. Although it has

Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

2014-10-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 04:22:21PM -0400, Doug wrote: On 10/04/2014 11:25 AM, John Hasler wrote: Harry Putnam writes: So the unwary reader is led to believe that amd means an architecture different from `pc'. pc doesn't mean an architecture. This is probably not much help to the

Re: systemd-shim to be removed?

2014-10-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 09:06:17PM +0100, Martin Read wrote: As such, I'm not clear how this incident is in any way relevant to the complaint implicit in the remark And all these things are named as systemd alternative in Debian now and as argument that the systemd is not only one possible

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

2014-10-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 08:11:56AM -0400, Marty wrote: d-nukem (bold) Could be confused with Duke Nukem! A better name would be system-downgrade -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-10-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 03:20:06PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: Well, one option would be to install minicom (apt-get will find it for you), set your default serial port to /dev/ttyS0, set it at 9600,7,e,1. Then plug it in and see if tapping W gets you a response. /dev/ttyS0 will look just

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