dch -I command
We are attempting to run a command and getting an error Trying to run dch -i But get the following su: dch : command not found Do we need to install a certain package for this? -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apt-get errors on apt-get update
We are getting some errors on running apt-get update to. We did make changes to the sources.list file over the weekend, creating a testing source list to load some certain packages. But we did keep a clean copy of stable. These are the errors; Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release 25% [15 Packages gzip 0] [1 Packages 267522/1774kB 15%] [Waiting for file] [Logging in] [3 Packages 129976/175kB 74%] gzip: stdin: not in gzip format Err http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) 25% [16 Sources gzip 0] [1 Packages 267522/1774kB 15%] [Waiting for file] [Logging in] [3 Packages 129976/175kB 74%] gzip: stdin: not in gzip format Err http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Sources Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) Is this on our end or something intermittent? We ran apt on another machine without any problems. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Holy Shee-it
On 2/16/04 1:07 PM, s. keeling wrote: (or Mac too of course). Watch it now !! :) -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Holy Shee-it
On 2/16/04 5:45 PM, Steven Leach wrote: ;) Good Man!! Oh, I'm not bashing Apple, Mac, or Mac OS X by any means. You might want to check out my email address and the web address on my signature :-) I have been interested in the PowerPC processor [32 general purpose registers!!!] since the first rummers and articles many years ago (what was that 93? 94?). I originally bought an eMac with the intention of running Yellow Dog Linux. I never got around to installing Linux on it because, to my surprise, OS X turned out to be a very capable Unix environment with every tool that I needed either included or readily available. Then I bought an iBook which also runs OS X exclusively. I soon sold my 300 Mhz Pentium Linux machine for $75 and the two Macs were my only computers from 2002 until early this year when I finally got around to putting together another intel clone which is now devoted to Debian. On Feb 16, 2004, at 3:44 PM, Dave's List Addy wrote: On 2/16/04 1:07 PM, s. keeling wrote: (or Mac too of course). Watch it now !! :) -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://homepage.mac.com/stevenaleach/ I am not cynical. I am not bitter. I just believe that if you aren't angry then you aren't paying enough attention. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternative to plesk and cpanel?
On 2/12/04 11:05 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: Please don't use this version. It is buggy beyond belief. The 1.130 packages from unstable should work fine on woody. Why not just grab the source from webmin.com and install? Pretty brainless installer. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: whew
On 2/12/04 10:17 AM, Clive Menzies wrote: A newbie list wouldn't be of interest to me and given the volume of mail already, I wouldn't subscribe. So who would provide the knowledge for a newbie list? Whilst Debian people a very generous with their time and patience, they have their own interests and goals to pursue. Seperating newbies out would mean that the knowledgeable will have to go out of their way to help. 2 Lists would mean duplicate Q/A's and then the need to search both for an answer. Seems that if you ask right, you should get an answer, maybe not that day, but still you get the answer:)) -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternative to plesk and cpanel?
On 2/12/04 4:23 PM, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Dave's List Addy wrote: On 2/12/04 11:05 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: Please don't use this version. It is buggy beyond belief. The 1.130 packages from unstable should work fine on woody. Why not just grab the source from webmin.com and install? Pretty brainless installer. Why not just use slackware then :-) seriously, there are times and situations were going the source route makes more sense and others when using .debs makes more sense. It's a tradeoff. True that apt-get is pretty easy. But we have webmin on all our machines, and the source is one way to make sure you have the latest version, I know they have had a few security updates in the last couple of months. Plus the installer is very user-friendly. But the best is you actually get to do a real source install from scratch :))) As for the original post on an alternate cpanel or plesk tool, webmin will fall short on the ease of use by the novice web hosting client, though I think there are some ISP modules out, haven't seen one yet that offers the scope that plesk or cpanel do. We find the Raq/Cobalt GUI is one of the better ones for letting a non-tech try and manage email accounts and such. My last 2 ¢ -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?
On 2/6/04 8:59 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:29:54PM -0600, Dave's List Addy wrote: Really? Why make it a hassle for the user? We run Debian, but in a hosting/DNS/Server environment. I am sure many others aren't using their Debian as a desktop. We use Mac OS X for desktop, so when I reply, I have to do reply all or I end of sending to the poster, which seems to irritate many on the list. Complain to your mail software's vendor. There is no excuse for any MUA to lack reply-to-list in this day and age. Well I am the dumb one here now :( I did some RTFM on our mail client and have now set up the reply-to properly. Lazy me :) So is Debian not about accommodating the new user? It is: I switched to Debian using only the installation manual and the 7-floppy-disk installation for bo back in 1997, right before hamm went stable. I didn't mean to say that the Debian install was not for new users, we also did the same thing, 4 floppies and net install, actually of all the flavors, Debian to me was a breeze, though lacking (not a bad thing) a GUI installer. Or is this strictly for the good old boys? Your question is based on the wrong assumption. Debian is not about accommodating broken software or said software's users. That's what Microsoft is for (though you get better support for Microsoft products from the Psychic Friends Network than from Microsoft[1], so apparently, accommodating broken software and it's users isn't Microsoft's modus operandi, either). Seems of late that there are more and more bash and flames then help coming from the herd. It's to bad considering how excellent Debian is. Hey, you act hostile, expect a hostile response. My apologies, I was lacking the proper amount of caffeine at that time. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?
On 2/6/04 12:06 PM, Michael L. Brownlow wrote: You have to consider who the majority of the people are and consider that most things should be answered back to the list. Therefore a small extra action by the replyer if he wants to send it back to the original sender is preferred so that the new user will correctly reply back to the list. Really? Interesting. My intuition has always been that when I ``reply'' to a message, it is replying to the sender who sent it (or his preferred address for replies to be read), not a forwarding mechanism or group. List-reply seemed to be a logical extension of email activity when I want to discuss the issue with the list, rather than just the sender. I think as a new user I would be more embarrassed if I ended up replying to a list with a message intended for the sender rather than to the sender with a message for the list (which he would receive anyway. :) I vote to keep it the way it is on the principle of least embarassment. Really? Why make it a hassle for the user? We run Debian, but in a hosting/DNS/Server environment. I am sure many others aren't using their Debian as a desktop. We use Mac OS X for desktop, so when I reply, I have to do reply all or I end of sending to the poster, which seems to irritate many on the list. Our sun list is set to first reply to the list, then you can reply all for the poster, and since many use a different addy, some going into dev/null, I am sure many post are never seen. So is Debian not about accommodating the new user? Or is this strictly for the good old boys? Seems of late that there are more and more bash and flames then help coming from the herd. It's to bad considering how excellent Debian is. My 2 ¢ -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get Update Stalling
On 2/2/04 9:43 AM, Many on the list wrote: We are trying to get an apt-get update and it seems to stall here 38% [Connecting to non-us.debian.org (194.109.137.218)] [Connecting to security.debian.org (194.109.137.218)] Colin Watson answered this earlier today. The machine won't power up remotely and someone is going along to look at it today. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200402/msg00145.html non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org are down. See discussions about it on this list yesterday. Thanks everyone for bring my laziness to the attention I need :) I guess will wait a day or so for the reboot. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on the rise ! - However ....
On 2/2/04 11:03 AM, Monique Y. Herman wrote: ... However, this list gets out of hands. With a few hundered posts per day; it's almost impossible to follow. Plus: the increase of noise / dups. Just today, we had a few people asking from scratch about security being down. Reminded to read the archives, the repeated argument was: Too many posts, takes too long. Where will this end us ? I for one think this is one of the most tolerant list around, non of the typical READ THE ARCHIVES, That has been answered go search. Many pop back with an answer and may remind us forgetting fools (me included) that it is in the archives but yet answer anyway. That is building a sense of community. Also just because it's in the archives doesn't mean it is relevant today. Things change, people find other answers or improvements all the time. We are on a list for a certain flavor of server appliance and the List Masters (they think they are) do the READ THE ARCHIVES with out adding any help. Because of that mentality we helped start a mirrored list with out the RULES that discourage others. My 2 ¢ -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mirrors of security.debian.org???
On 2/2/04 2:29 PM, Stephen wrote: Paul E Condon wrote: But there is a temporary one according to recent (within the hour) Debian-news: http://ftp.rfc822.org/debian-security/ I am using it now, and it works for me. But, isn't the whole point having security updates, to use an official source? I think I will wait for the reboot. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user: not receiving all list mail
On 1/30/04 12:43 PM, Alphonse Ogulla wrote: It appears that I'm only getting a small percentage of all the mail traffic on this list. I sent 3 posts yesterday but got nothing back from debian-user. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Please CC me in your replies. It's working fine for me, normal volume of traffic. You sure the problem's not on your end? Not absolutely sure but don't think so. I received this post directly from Paul Johnson and not debian-user. As a matter of fact, this post has not even shown up in debian-user. We have gotten all the list mail. As well as your post. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC
On 1/26/04 6:00 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: Right On Paul My sentiments exactly, I think the comedian Robin Williams has a bit on what America should do, I don't have it handy, but mirrors those thoughts. Really? And you get that from this table, do you? The *worst*? You know what? I think the we (the U.S.) should cut off aid entirely to the rest of the world. The rest of the world has a serious habit of biting the hand that feeds it. So let them fend for themselves. And here are some guidelines for living in the shadow of the United States of America: 1. Don't call us when you need help fending off the next power-mad psycho bent on enslaving the entire planet. 2. Don't call us when you've finished erecting the full-on socialist state you're busy creating in Europe, and you don't like the results. 3. Don't come here to escape your crushing taxes. 4. Don't come here to avoid your crappy socialized health care system. 5. Don't expect sympathy when 3000 of your citizens become victims of the next Islamist nut job with a plan, who claims he hates the U.S. but inexplicably attacks you instead. 6. Don't come here to find opportunity or the promise of a better life. That includes you, Mexico. 7. Don't expect our help in creating an economy or a society that actually works. Our founding documents are all on the internet for you to peruse. That's how we did it and how we do it. 8. Don't expect to benefit from any technological advances created in the U.S., including new life-saving drugs. 9. Don't call us. Yeah, the U.S. really sucks. And we love hearing it over and over again from people who are cut off from the fruits of observation, and are really incapable of doing anything but whining. Or who really just have a socialist or communist agenda. Paul -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC
On 1/26/04 3:51 PM, Nano Nano wrote: Naively I would say the US should be giving about $55/person Yeah Right! With world opinion of the US, many are lucky that the 12.9 is even given. Charity starts at home. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Loading New MySQL Testing on Woody
Hi I seem to have blanked out on what I should place in my /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to load the latest testing build of MySQL 4. We are running woody with MySQL 3+ version. If we do want to update the MySQL what would happen to the old MySQL, will apt automatically remove the old version and replace it with 4? Will apt be smart enough to preserver the MySQL user and database information if so?? -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge
On 1/13/04 5:37 AM, Paul Morgan wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 09:06:25AM +, Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] The net is best for finding out what books to read;) I wouldn't suggest that the net is better than an authoratitive book but a quick search on stonehenge history produced: http://www.britannia.com/history/h7.html as the first entry and many more besides. How you search is key to finding the best information. Yeah, that is better. I think link #2 is even better: http://www.anima.demon.co.uk/stones/stonehen/history.html but these aren't exactly deep; these are more like the Travel Brochures you see in hotel lobbies. None of the other links are very good at all. I don't see any problem. I found, I think, the sort of thing for which you were looking in just a few seconds. Googled on (without the quotes) stonehenge history research and found this (the 6th link down), and the first one I went to based on the extracts on the google search results: http://www.aboutstonehenge.info/index.php I found quite a bit by just going to http://www.historychannel.com and using their search engine. I would have to agree though on many of the search engines, using one keyword is not an efficient way to search, you need to narrow down the keywords and phrase to truly get the right results. I doubt you would type in New York to find out about the Statue of Liberty. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian install on Virtual PC / OS X
I am trying to install the latest Debian with the ISO bf2.4-3.023-netinst. I am doing this with Virtual PC 6.1 on an Apple iMac 17 Flat Panel with a G4 1.25 MHz. I can get the install to boot and start, my problem is on selecting the correct Network driver for the iMac. I tried Tulip and no go. I have the firewall on the Mac opened for port 80 and 8080. Has anyone install via this method before that may know the answer. We have 3 other Debian boxes running on regular white boxes for a few years now with little or no troubles. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install on Virtual PC / OS X
On 1/8/04 3:03 PM, David Z Maze wrote: If I understand what Virtual PC does properly, the actual hardware inside the Mac is somewhat irrelevant; you'd need to figure out what network hardware Virtual PC is emulating and use a driver for that. Okay that makes sense, I guess I will dig/google around that path. You'll almost certainly get noticably better performance, and not have an intermediate layer of Microsoft, if you installed Debian (PPC) on the Macintosh directly. The downside is that you won't be able to use Debian and Macintosh programs at the same time, since you can only be booted into one OS or the other. Maybe there's something like VMWare that's a PPC virtualizer out there? Totally agree, was more or less just f*rting around with the possibility of testing Debian on Virtual PC, we have 3 regularly Debian installs on regular PC boxes running. Thanks! -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
