Le lundi, 24 novembre 2014, 08.02:44 Marty a écrit :
On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit :
Did I miss something?
Yes.
Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1]
Option 2: change init policy *LOST
Le mercredi, 26 novembre 2014, 09.21:00 The Wanderer a écrit :
On 11/26/2014 at 08:50 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Le lundi, 24 novembre 2014, 08.02:44 Marty a écrit :
On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
The vote invoked a clause in the TC init decision to allow
Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit :
Did I miss something?
Yes.
Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1]
Option 2: change init policy *LOST*
Option 3: ask nicely to follow init policy *lost*
Option 4: policy stands, no statement needed *WON*
Option 5: null
Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 21.20:52 Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
That is the huge majority of Debian users.
Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't
work as expected.
Like
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 15.47:43 Raffaele Morelli a écrit :
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html
The winners are:
Option 4 General Resolution is not required
For which the complete text [0] is:
The Debian project asks its members to be
Le dimanche, 16 novembre 2014, 11.50:25 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it
occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major
applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service
scripts.
Let's take the inverse
Le mardi, 18 novembre 2014, 22.10:22 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Let's take the inverse view: which of these use the upstream
sysvinit scripts directly ? The answer, as demonstrated below, is:
none.
Out of curiosity, how are you comparing these to the init
Le dimanche, 16 novembre 2014, 16.36:42 Peter Nieman a écrit :
Preventing the systemd takeover is certainly important, but it won't
be enough to reverse the trend, I fear.
None of the talking on debian-user about meta, conceptual or
generic systemd issues will allow a systemd takeover in
Le jeudi, 13 novembre 2014, 09.04:50 Tanstaafl a écrit :
It should have been made mandatory that the systemd folks get this bug
fully resolved and functional *on wheezy*
This is simply not how Debian works; stable is meant to stay stable.
*and* commit to maintaining this ability in jessie, as
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 09.11:40 Tanstaafl a écrit :
Which is precisely *why* (people) should have been required to fix
that bug (…)
This is simply not how Debian works.
OdyX
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Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 10.17:54 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 09.11:40 Tanstaafl a écrit :
Which is precisely *why* (people) should have been required to fix
that bug (…)
This is simply not how Debian works.
You mean
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 10.33:20 Tanstaafl a écrit :
On 11/12/2014 10:13 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 09.11:40 Tanstaafl a écrit :
Which is precisely *why* (people) should have been required to fix
that bug (…)
This is simply
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 20.10:42 Brian a écrit :
Sounds like, doesn't it? Let's be practical and see how how a screen
in d-i could present an init system choice to a user, particularly
having a new user in mind.
For what is worth, the layout of the menu is not the problem here.
Cheers,
Le mardi, 11 novembre 2014, 20.08:08 st a écrit :
Hans wrote:
I just wanted to show ways, where EVERYONE might be happy
Sure. Sure. Everybody who has invested years into learning
Debian is just jumping of joy now that it is suddenly turned
into a completely different OS _and_ they have to
Le mardi, 11 novembre 2014, 12.34:10 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Laurent Bigonville wrote:
There are no functional differences between an installation with
sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is
installed later, this is a fact.
No, that's NOT a fact. At least
Le vendredi, 7 novembre 2014, 09.06:04 Lisi Reisz a écrit :
Quite. And it may have been an x/y question. But the question was
how to get in from the log-in screen. I must download and burn a
live Debian CD in order to find out!!
Given a working virtualization setup (KVM, Qemu,
Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 11.45:55 Haines Brown a écrit :
This seems to me an entirely legitimate issue for the debian-user
group, for it concerns whether Debian will continue to be useful in
relation to the needs and values of its average user.
debian-user is not a group of subscribers
Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 09.21:26 Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 11/5/2014 2:37 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user,
please re-read the list topic:
From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ :
Community assistance and support
Miles,
Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 09.32:57 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
[If you're happy with systemd, and not considering a change - please
stay out of this discussion. If you object to the very nature of the
discussion, hit your delete key and kill file this thread now.]
I object to the
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced that those
of us who deploy and manage servers would really benefit from a fork
that retains the flavor and philosophy of pre-systemd (and maybe
pre-udev) Debian.
Just.
Do.
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 21.13:36 Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
Yes, but you seem to want to stifle any discussion of a possible fork.
Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user, please
re-read the list topic:
From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ :
Community assistance
Hi Andre,
Le mercredi, 29 octobre 2014, 11.43:18 Andre Massena a écrit :
I was not aware that Grub played a role in decompressing a kernal at
boot as that is a kernel function.
(…)
Le mercredi, 29 octobre 2014, 13.21:37 Andre Massena a écrit :
No takers here?
(…)
Le mercredi, 29 octobre
I really don't buy the argument that the GR proposal was too quiet to
be noticed by 6+ people. I mean: the proposition happened to be in the
middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists where it
belonged. The people who cared about the whole default init for Debian
question _were_
Le lundi, 13 octobre 2014, 12.23:00 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
I really don't buy the argument that the GR proposal was too quiet
to be noticed by 6+ people.
Actually - I'd contest that, for four reasons:
- as I've previously noted - the major impacts
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