Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the Universal Operating System
On 10/04/2014 08:44 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 10/4/2014 6:44 AM, Tom Collins tomcollins...@mail.com wrote:
and depreciating (as if they have the right to do that) many
programs that rely on gtk2 and non-syst__d.
peeve
It is 'deprecating', not 'depreciating' (an accounting term).
/peeve
Either could be accurately used. To wit:
From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
deprecate
v 1: express strong disapproval of; deplore
2: belittle; The teacher should not deprecate his student's
efforts [syn: {deprecate}, {depreciate}, {vilipend}]
depreciate
v 1: belittle; The teacher should not deprecate his student's
efforts [syn: {deprecate}, {depreciate}, {vilipend}]
2: lower the value of something; The Fed depreciated the dollar
once again [ant: {appreciate}, {apprise}, {apprize}]
3: lose in value; The dollar depreciated again [syn:
{depreciate}, {undervalue}, {devaluate}, {devalue}] [ant:
{appreciate}, {apprise}, {apprize}, {revalue}]
Jeff
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Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Change is life. There is nothing static in life. So all the fuss about wearing those grounded, anti-static wrist straps is just a hoax? -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5428aed6.8060...@charter.net
Re: There is no choice
On 09/20/2014 04:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, lee wrote: These few people are also very concerned with preventing other people, particularly users, from doing something which would contribute to what they claim that they are doing. Exactly how are Debian Developers preventing others from contributing? Almost everything we do is publicly available. Nothing is stopping anyone from contributing to Debian, proposing patches, or even forking Debian entirely if you want. In all of these separate threads, you have been doing little but maligning people who are volunteering for Debian. It's not a nice thing to do, it's not pleasant to read, and in doing so, you're actively draining existing contributor's desire to continue working on Debian. Please stop. And your reply, Don, had the end-of-message quote: Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. -- Justice Roberts in 319 U.S. 624 (1943) Interesting. Very interesting. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541e35e5.3010...@charter.net
Re: Choice of init system?
On 09/19/2014 10:52 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:15:57PM -0400, Ed Jabbour wrote: Does (or will) the Jessie install offer a choice of systemd or sys5init? Seems like it will offer a choice. How obvious that there is a choice, I have no idea about, you/we will have to wait until Jessie is declared the new Stable. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU -Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541c9229.7050...@charter.net
Re: Errors at login : in which log can I get the message ?
On 08/31/2014 09:28 AM, Erwan David wrote: I submitted a bug, however I could not find those messages in any log : That's not a systemd bug... why ? ...it's a systemd feature /sarcasm -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/540324f7.1070...@charter.net
Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason
On 08/05/2014 07:01 PM, AW wrote: And the documentation on the official systemd site is quite terrible, at least so far as I've been able to discover. They must have copy/pasted the initial systemd documentation from the Arch Linux Wiki. When the powers that be over at Arch Linux decided to change over to systemd, the often hostile condescension shown to end users having problems was truly disturbing, and one key reason I moved over to Debian. Some of the posts in this thread remind me of what I read during my last days using Arch, so I can't help but wonder if this relatively recent adventure into Debianland is going seem like a blink of an eye compared to the 5+ years with Arch. Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53e243d1.2050...@charter.net
Re: What is the connection between Microsoft and systemd?
On 08/03/2014 09:51 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Microsoft wrote systemd. Or at least the design spec. *Everyone* knows that much silly! Here's a web page for ya: html pMicrosoft wrote systemd. Or at least the spec. This is authoritative./p /html The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity. - Abraham Lincoln -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53df6aee.3080...@charter.net
Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd
On 07/27/2014 07:32 PM, green wrote: Minix has some fascinating reliability features... Wouldn't it be ironic if Tanenbaum ultimate wins the debate? ;) Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d59667.2070...@charter.net
Re: What do you guys use instead of youtube-dl and minitube?
On 07/12/2014 07:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, The way I get throttled, occasionally the only way I can watch a Youtube video is to download it first and then watch it with smplayer. As far as I can see, Wheezy has no package for either youtube-dl or minitube. What are you guys using to fill that need? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance If one is willing to accept (begrudgingly or otherwise) the disgusting bloat of iceweasel, the addon Flash and Video Download v1.58 http://www.fnvfox.com/works pretty well. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker
Re: Article on swift, responsive computers
On 06/15/2014 02:58 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, Here's my latest Linux Productivity Magazine, themed The Swift, Responsive Machine: http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm Hope you enjoy it. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance Still reading your article, Steve. Very good info. Thank you. Since switching to ratpoison a couple/three years back, just about /anything else/ feels s-l-o-w. Firefox, and Mozilla in general, are really over-the-top pigs, so of late I've been fiddling with luakit browser. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a765d6.9080...@charter.net
Re: Strange no mail traffic........
On 06/21/2014 06:31 PM, Charlie wrote: Please CC me just in case: Wondering if the Debian user server is down? No mail in my inbox. I know that the ISP I use is flaky, and they have been blacklisted on many occasions and this might be one of those? So I may have been unsubscribed but my attempt at resubscribing has met without any feedback? Could someone please throw some light on this? Or has there really been no traffic on the list for the last 5 hours? TIA, Charlie Only Debian traffic here today has been the three related to Strange no mail traffic... Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a63351.7010...@charter.net
Disturbing ICEWEASEL behavior
I'm using Iceweasel 24.6.0 with Wheezy: both religiously updated. The disturbing behavior is my preferred top of the browser toolbar is getting mysteriously, and without an apparent pattern, changed. Preferred: http://alienjeff.net/browser1.png Changed: http://alienjeff.net/browser2.png Anyone else experience this problem? Is there a fix for it? Anything in about:config I can address? I'd like the preferred toolbar to be persistent after setting it up. TIA, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a2d9b9.3090...@charter.net
Re: Disturbing ICEWEASEL behavior
On 06/19/2014 08:38 AM, Jeff Bauer wrote: I'm using Iceweasel 24.6.0 with Wheezy... snip I forgot to mention installed addons, which are: Flash and Video Download 1.57 Flashblock 1.5.17 Ghostery 5.3.1 Shortly URL Shortner 1.04 Simple Adblock 1.0.8 Again, TIA, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53a2e1dc.40...@charter.net
Re: Iceweasel and DRM
On 05/24/2014 08:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 14:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many snip PS: A pirate copy, shared cracked software could be good promotion. If snip PPS: I reflected my opinion. We should find a perfect copy protection, snip and to get rid of all the intellectual piss. lulz intellectual piss Try a different translator, Ralf. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/538096af.6030...@charter.net
Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management
On 05/22/2014 09:14 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 00:17:06 +1200 Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: And in the case where the copyright has elapsed? The main point, rather than my additional comment? Richard Few of us will be alive when Jerry's works go out of copyright, given that even if he died this very day, his copyrights would expire in 70 years. So why worry about that? A lot can happen between then and now. If you don't like that ridiculous copyright period, blame the guys who think they're perfectly in their rights to do unauthorized copying and distribution. They make Disney and Bono look downright virtuous, and dilute the credibility of those of us who want to change copyright period (and maximum damages) to sane amounts (and time periods). SteveT Kinda/sorta related, but well worth the time to watch: Patent Absurdity: how software patents broke the system http://patentabsurdity.com/watch.html Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker
Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)
On 05/20/2014 08:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/20/2014 5:05 PM, David Guntner wrote: David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Then don't add to the bandwidth with your please to stop. As you've been told before - just ignore the thread. And if you can't do that, get a email reader that will. No. Just because you and a small group of noisy people are too fscking lazy and inconsiderate to take the topic where it belongs and where it would be WAY more appropriate is not a reason for everyone else on the list who is here for the purpose of talking ABOUT THINGS DIRECTLY RELATED TO DEBIAN to have to make modifications to get your unwanted cruft out of their mail readers. The Debian off-topic list exists expressly for the purpose of discussing things like this. It's not rocket science, Jerry. Even you should be able to figure that out. I can't help it that you just don't want to and think that this list is your personal playground where anything goes. Ok, that last bit was a bit insulting, and was uncalled for. I apologize for that. Yes, I find you quite insulting. However, that does not change the fact that you and the other noisy few who just *have* to drag an off-topic discussion on and on and on and on to the point where it's not even beating a dead horse any more - the horse is GLUE at this point - is incredibly inconsiderate to all the other people on this list who are here for reading and discussion things that pertain directly to the Debian operating system and its software package. Which is, after all, the stated purpose of this list. An Debian Off-Topic list was created specifically for the purpose of allowing Debian users a place where they can discuss politics, DRM, the FSF condemning ant-eaters for eating ants, etc. to their heart's content. People on that list want to discuss, and see discussions, on all those other subjects. There seem to be a lot of people contributing to this conversation - but very few (i.e. ONE) complaining about it. THIS list is here for the purpose stated above. When you guys keep going on and on and on about something which is blatantly, patently off-topic for it, you are, in fact, being extremely rude and inconsiderate of all those others - many of whom may simply be lurking to read and learn. When you flood the list with so much noise that the actual signal starts to be drowned out, you effectively ruin the usefulness of the list for its intended purpose. Maybe it's useless to you. Tough. I've been using the internet since the 80's, and yes, I'm perfectly capable of kill-filing those topics. If all I was concerned about was just me, I'd do it. But I want the list to remain useful for others as well. In that case I've got you by at least 10 years - I've been on since it was arpanet in the early 70's. And one thing I've found - which you SHOULD have been able to figure out by now - not every discussion is going to be of interest to every person on the mailing list. If you're not interested in the discussion, killfile it. On a strictly personal level, face it - I'm on this list because of its intended purpose. I should not *have* to take steps to filter out off-topic massive threads that just won't go away - NOBODY should have to. Some off-topic stuff is always going to happen on any list. It's just a fact of life that topics will drift a bit every now and then. But when you know damn-well that you're off topic and someone takes the time to nudge you about it, telling them I'm not going to, just filter it out is the height of arrogance. What you're saying is that it's way more important that you use the list any way you want and that people who want the list used for its intended purpose can just bugger off. As am I. And if you don't like a discussion, ignore it. That's what filters are for. And telling someone to take an active conversation somewhere else because YOU DON'T LIKE IT - now THAT is the HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE. I'm not going to continue this particular discussion on list, because I don't want *this* thread to drag out into Yet Another Off-Topic Thread That Just Won't Die. If you want to discuss further, feel free to reply back to me directly. If you feel the burning need to reply to this on-list, there's not much I can do to stop you. :-) But I won't reply to anything you say there on the list. --Dave Then please don't waste any more bandwidth. You do this every time a discussion YOU decide is off-topic comes up. And although you've been told the same by many people, you continue your infantile behavior. Jerry Please take this to either pissing_cont...@lists.debian.org or kitten_fig...@lists.debian.org -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email
Re: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]
On 03/11/2014 03:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: snip ...the project is considering the adoption of a 'code of conduct' which will replace the existing mailing list CoC. The text of the proposal is here[1]. Of particular relevance here is, I think, a community in which people feel threatened is not a healthy community. feel threatened? Puh-leez! Cry me a river, then grow a pair. Jeff Bauer Winsted CT USA -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/531eea81.7030...@charter.net
Re: systemd: some more questions
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iceweasel upgrade being held back
On an existing Wheezy installation, performed apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade - but iceweasel is being held back. Tried apt-get -f install thinking it may be a dependency issue, but still being held back. Any thoughts/suggestions? Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52fa2afb.2010...@charter.net
Re: iceweasel upgrade being held back
On 02/11/2014 09:50 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 08:51:55AM -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: On an existing Wheezy installation, performed apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade - but iceweasel is being held back. Tried apt-get -f install thinking it may be a dependency issue, but still being held back. Starting today [1], wheezy's iceweasel version was increased to 24.3.0esr-1~deb7u1, to match current ESR of Mozilla's firefox. Side effect of this bump is that iceweasel started to depend on xulrunner-24.0 package, instead of original xulrunner-10.0 (or xulrunner-17.0, which was previous ESR). 'apt-get update' is just doing what it is told to do - upgrade installed packages, but don't install new packages or remove old ones. To upgrade iceweasel, you'll need to: 1) Invoke 'apt-get dist-upgrade', to allow apt to install all new dependencies. 2) Optionally, invoke 'apt-get autoremove --purge', to remove old xulrunner. [1] http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2014/Feb/35 Reco Thanks very much Reco. apt-get dist-upgrade did the trick! Appreciate your explanation re: xulrunner, too. Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52fa3c97.5020...@charter.net
Re: fastest linux distro
On 01/25/2014 05:17 AM, tom arnall wrote: Currently I am running ubuntu 12.04. I am unhappy with the speed of it. Any info/suggestions will be greatly appreciated. As the automotive mechanic said to the (pick your least favorite make/model car) owner: I'd suggest you jack up the gas cap and put a new car under it. Consider LFS, Gentoo, Arch, or Slackware. Jeff P.S. You do realize that this is the Debian user list and not the Ubuntu user list, don't you? ;) -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e64c65.3030...@charter.net
Re: Help with command - cp
On Sun, 1/26/14, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: As I said to Zenaan, it is obviously time for me to bite the bullet of rsync. It seems a significantly better tool for the purpose than cp. Some time ago I was using cp for bulk file copying, but was having some issues with maintaining the original permissions and such. That was quite a while ago and may have been a result of PEBKAC, and not cp itself. heh. After some not-so-gentle nudging from my computing guru moved me to rsync. Nowadays my use of cp is pretty much limited to very basic stuff and leave the heavy lifting to rsync. No looking back ... Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e5a216.3040...@charter.net
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On 01/20/2014 05:20 AM, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 17.01.2014 um 22:10 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: A computer is able to produce a jazz, rock, classical style song, but not able to touch human emotions. Artificial Intelligence needs Artificial Emotions. It was in the year 1987 taht I first saw a paper about Artifcial Emotions, but nearly no progress since. If you want to experience artificial emotions, date a native California girl. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52dd09f0.4060...@charter.net
Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit
On 01/18/2014 03:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the millstone granting a better flour quality than you can with dozens of human workers doing the same. I mentioned that there are some tasks computers are good for ;), but many things only can be done by humans. What is quality? Quality means different things to different people. The supermarket would discard the average apple while the so called organic store would see it as just another healthy apple! In Robert Pirsig's classic, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, an assignment was given a college class to define quality, which caused a great deal of consternation amongst the students. This was one of the best parts of the book and worth the read for patient and inquiring readers. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52da4dac.2020...@charter.net
Re: Debian logging - confused
On 01/15/2014 06:14 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: snip The reason I'm asking is, I can't seem to find where sshd is logging (I'm having someone remote in and help me with something, but can't find any record of him having been there yesterday)... Appreciate any pointers... Pointer: http://bit.ly/19u0DK9 -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d67444.2000...@charter.net
Re: Question
On 01/12/2014 04:44 PM, Bob Bernstein wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014, Cameron Murgatroyd wrote: Hi I've recently become a frequent user of debian and I have a question [...] I love the internet. Consider where this post took me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murgatroyd Fabulous stuff. Simply fabulous. NEVER trust a post made by someone whose surname rhymes with hemorrhoid. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d32eff.3050...@charter.net
Re: Number of Procs
On 01/08/2014 10:41 AM, Hudson Flavio Meneses Lacerda wrote: hudson@musix:~$ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 435412 22 0 2 74 -/+ buffers/cache:334100 Swap: 1057143914 In 2014, that's a pretty meager amount of memory. Going into swap tells a tale, too. If possible, consider adding memory. Jeff http://alienjeff.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ce9ba7.5010...@charter.net
Re: unable to install stardict
On 01/04/2014 01:38 PM, Slavko wrote: Dňa Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:57:42 +0100 François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr napísal: I tried to install stardict snip The StarDict's development seems to be ended. Five or more years ago when still enamored with Puppy Linux, I discovered that Puppy's PBDict was just a gooey GUI wrapper for the application dict. Deciding to forego the clumsy GUI and mouse, I started just issuing dict foo in a terminal. Since then, first with Arch, and Debian, dict is perhaps one of my most frequently used apps. Another thing I did was to install dictionary databases locally, as I was virtually crippled when dict.org's servers were offline. YMMV. Jeff http://alienjeff.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c871ef.7060...@charter.net
Re: jwm
On 12/22/2013 08:51 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 22 Dec 2013 at 02:40:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Do I have to edit the whole menu myself or is there a way to use the same menu as other DE's do use? At least for categories like Internet it would be nice to automatically get a menu entry when installing a browser. Yes, the menu has to hand crafted. /usr/share/doc/jwm has something to say on this. User rarsa tackled this issue with Puppy Linux around versions 2.12/2.13 ... something with XDG, iirc. Here's a more recent, related thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=498150544t=85757 Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52b6f66d.10...@charter.net
Re: Installing Debian 7.3.0
On 12/21/2013 09:10 AM, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:29:40PM -0800, Alireza Bahrami wrote: According to Debian website it's enough for installing Debian on a system. There is an old Dell Latitude laptop with specs as below which I chose to for this purpose: Mobile Pentium4: 1.8GHz CPU Speed: 1.8GHz Level 2 Cache: 512KB System Memory: 256MB Video Memory: 32MB Hard Drive: 40GB Since you've got only 256MB of system memory, I recommend you use a lightweight desktop such as LXDE. A lightweight window manager that would be a smooth transition for those familiar with Windows 95/98 vintage OS's would be JWM, aka Joe's Window Manager. http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/jwm A companion file manager could be ROX-filer: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/rox-filer And yes, Puppy Linux was one of my stepping stones to Debian ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52b5c119.5060...@charter.net
Re: Package Request
On 12/07/2013 05:55 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Reading the whole thread is impotent heh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52a31394.3030...@charter.net
Re: Won't complete bootup (gdm3 problem?)
On 11/29/2013 05:21 PM, Joe wrote: But I came from Gnome2, and LXDE feels more comfortable than Xfce. My first experience with Linux and KDE was with a Knoppix live CD. KDE? Never. Again. I boot to a tty prompt, log in, and type startx which brings up my forever faithful ratpoison WM. Between ratpoison and ROX, I'm pretty much set and not shopping for a DE. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52991743.9070...@charter.net
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2013 #1401
On 11/17/2013 05:08 PM, Neal Murphy wrote: help This has be the least informative request ever seen in a community support forum. SOS would have provided even less information ... -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528940ae.1000...@charter.net
Re: software for (reminder) recommendation
On 11/12/2013 11:09 PM, lina wrote: Hi, Which package I can be installed which may serve as calender, Just remind me when, where and what I need attend or prepare? Thanks with best regards, Barebones would be cal. Type man cal for details. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52836fd7.9020...@charter.net
Re: Why Debian
On 11/10/2013 05:35 AM, Joel Rees wrote: My own history -- HUGE snip I wandered over here when Fedora came under the influence of the systemd crowd. Same group as was behind unifying /bin and /usr/bin, near as I can tell. My move to Debian was after nearly 5-years of happily using Arch Linux. Then they decided to impose the Systemd Mandate. Their documentation, which up until that point was some of the best in the Linux world, suddenly turned shoddy-at-best -- at least for those interested in converting an existing installation over to sytemd. If you ask them technical questions, they shout you down. Same with the Arch Elitists. Many left the distro after being publicly scolded and chastised, both on the Arch Forum and in the IRC channel. It was almost as if the powers-that-be in Arch deliberately wanted to thin the herd. And systemd was just the tool to affect the cull. The systemd crowd, no. It's about control. My way or the highway mentality. --Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527f992a.2070...@charter.net
Re: Why Debian
On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom How does a novice begin with Linux - Burn, test drive, and used a live CD distribution for a minimum of a month and learn all you can about it. Then try some others. Repeat as necessary until you find a distro worthy of installing. -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527fc5f6.8020...@charter.net
Re: Why Debian
On 11/10/2013 12:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-11-10 at 12:44 -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:40 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:17:06AM -0700, thomas aylward wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom How does a novice begin with Linux - Burn, test drive, and used a live CD distribution for a minimum of a month and learn all you can about it. Then try some others. Repeat as necessary until you find a distro worthy of installing. Simply start with one distro and after a while install two other distros to the same machine, if the chosen distro shouldn't fit to your needs. Advising a novice at Linux to build and configure a multi-boot, multi-OS machine? Good luck with /that/ ... -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527fcb1f.7010...@charter.net
Re: Hosting advice
On 10/31/2013 06:53 PM, Craig L. wrote: I have a good friend ... Consider https://www.linode.com/ Friends don't run a friend's server on Microsoft; nor do friends set up friend's email with Google. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527388d1.1040...@charter.net
Re: Screenshots under flash
On 10/29/2013 12:37 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: I hae been trying to capture on-screen flash pics using ImageMagicks Import command. But on some sites if flash is used to display the pics, all I get is a black screen. I have tried adding -display:0 to the import command but so far no luck. Anybody have a solution. I don't want to use gnome-screenshot or any of the other big solutions. Cheers WM = ratpoison and the screenshot app here is scrot. Configured a hotkey under ratpoison for quick screenshots. In ~/.ratpoisonrc I added: bind z exec scrot $n '%m-%d-%y--%T.png' -e 'mv $n ~/scrot/' Lightweight and fast. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52719ad4.8050...@charter.net
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On 10/16/2013 12:16 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: Or do you just turn it on and watch your favorite show? Kinda helps to know how to wire together all the various pieces that go with a TV these days- cable connection snip Of course you can call up the local Best Buy and pay Geek Squad to take care of it for you. I sold my television, VCR, and video tapes in January, 1998. No regrets. I remain blissfully ignorant of that entertainment medium in 2013. Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525e6d05.9060...@charter.net
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
Apropos: http://bit.ly/1cR4LnG Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525d23e3.1080...@charter.net
Re: [OT] Trim your posts. (was ... Re: ...)
On 10/06/2013 09:06 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: . How about taking time to trim your posts instead of allowing them to build into an unreadable mess. Hard to tell where to trim when you're trying to make sense of certain kinds of conversations. I apologize to the list for letting myself be drawn into that. To err is human; to forgive is contrary to List Policy. ;) -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/525164d2.7050...@charter.net
Re: Building computer
On 10/02/2013 04:59 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 10/1/2013 5:13 PM, Catherine Gramze wrote: I have also looked at my memory usage. At this very moment, not running WoW, I have 5.22 gig being used. 4 gig would not be sufficient for me. You would be correct if the number you're looking at reflected application memory usage. But it doesn't. On any of the modern operating systems one must damn near be a computer scientist to see the actual memory usage. The 5.22GB, this is on Debian, yes? The system monitor? This reports process and cache memory usage. The buffer/cache will literally eat nearly all available memory all the time on Linux, then free some when an application process needs it. I've never used OSX but it's probably similar in its desktop reporting tool. This will really throw you for a loop. Open a shell window and execute ~$ sudo echo 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches Wait a few seconds and see what happens to that 5.22GB number. Then report back what you find. You can do this while playing WOW as well. That number will drop like a rock and WOW will keep on going, because the memory you're freeing with that command is cache. And again, Linux will eat nearly all RAM for cache if the system is up long enough. free is another quick way to see where all your RAM went. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524bf870.8020...@charter.net
Re: unsuscibe
On 09/30/2013 05:39 PM, Marc Stephan Nkouly wrote: how do i go out of the list ??? http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524a34ac.20...@charter.net
Re: Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)
On 09/23/2013 06:47 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: A quick archive search does show that I helped others on this list much more than you did. List participation is not a competitive sport. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5240200a.9030...@charter.net
Re: Code Of Conduct
Does the obvious pronunciation of the acronym for Code of Conduct, CoC, violate the Code of Conduct? ;-) -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52405302.2070...@charter.net
Re: dictd
On 09/09/2013 08:12 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: For me, it is part of my 'standard' desktop install. Same here. Amen! Two reasons - one, my learning process ... Just passing by a word the definition of which I'm not certain can't be blamed on the (hardcover) dictionary is in the other room. Knowing word definitions is a key element of reading comprehension and expanding one's vocabulary. ... two, I have gotten used to instantaneous dictionary lookups ... Having experienced the online dict.org databases being unavailable three time, I no longer rely on their server(s). I installed the daemon/server locally, as well as the desired databases, and BLAM! Definition displayed. it's hard to accept anything less these days :) Anything less is NOT acceptable. Period. I'm spoiled. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52338241.9050...@charter.net
Re: How to get rid of an entry in grub?
On 08/31/2013 12:23 PM, David Guntner wrote: I've been using it as a sort of backup type of partition, mounted as /backup (until I have time to install backuppc and get it all configured; I've just been doing an rsync to the drive). Since I was backing up *everything*, I suppose there's a possibility that it saw /backup/boot/[...] and acted on it, thought that seems an odd behavior to me. I'm running the rsync again right now; when it completes I'll run update-grub again and see if it mysteriously adds the extra entry again. Then we'll know for sure. --Dave My backup regime uses rsync -avz as its backbone. Anything I don't want backed up, I address with the --exclude-from= option in my backup script, and the rsync.exclude file in my user home dir. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52221e8f.4000...@charter.net
QRZ?
Just out of curiosity, any Debian amateur radio operators care to ID? 73, Jeff, WN1MB -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52189328.4070...@charter.net
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On 08/23/2013 05:51 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I don't know if an IRC client is available irssi for the hardcore; weechat for the fledgling 'leet Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52173b48.9020...@charter.net
Re: your thoughts: special post for Debian birthday
On 08/13/2013 06:15 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Ana, please would you say what the date of the anniversary is. August 16th heh - my birthdate, too, although I'm considerably older than 20... Happy birthday, Debian. -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/520a09e2.4040...@charter.net
Re: apache logging
On 08/09/2013 06:45 AM, msl09 wrote: I think the apache team would be better to ask this kind of question. Maybe they have an irc channel. Check #httpd on irc.freenode.net - 350+ logged in right now. Regards, Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5204d320.3070...@charter.net
Re: Backup/Restore software?
On 07/11/2013 08:42 PM, David Guntner wrote: Is there a Linux backup package that will do pretty much what I described above? I know of no such package, though there very well may be one available. On the other hand, a simple back up script using rsync can do the trick for you. And example to back up your home stuff: # backup /home # echo -- echo rsyncing /home echo -- rsync -avz /home /mnt/sda1/debian_backup # end Using that for /home and other directories take care of the backing up. For scheduling, you can tell your computer to do whatever you want, whenever you want, with cron. The learning curve will be pretty gentle with both writing said script and setting up cron. YMMV. Regards, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51df54d1.60...@charter.net
Re: Switching to 64 bit
200 browser tabs /and/ a gmail account. That figures ... On 06/30/2013 04:22 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: Can't speak for him of course, but my SeaMonkey is currently using 4.2 GB RES and 5.3 GB VIRT (probably north of 200 tabs)
Re: what happened to the task bar??
My progression/path: JWM/ROX-filer OpenBox/PYpanel straight up ratpoison. Nowadays I'm a hamstrung cripple if forced to use an OS with a DE/WM that's heavily reliant on the dreaded rodent. One can trick out OpenBox pretty seriously if you want to spend the time with configurations, but for this humble soul, it's ratpoison FTW. Regards, Jeff Or, abandon the desktop environment all together, and just go with a window manager, a panel and Debian-menu (I use Openbox and LXPanel).
cronjob executing at wrong time
I've got a server running Debian 3.0 r1. A job that is scheduled to execute at 8:01pm is executing at 2:01pm. The cronjob entry runs as non-root user: 1 20 * * 1-5 myjob I have the server synchronized to a time source with ntpdate and I've checked the local timezone. The 'myjob' script itself appears to run fine, just at the wrong time. I've written some test scripts to echo `date` to a log file via cron. The output agrees with the system clock, but the scheduled cronjob runs at the wrong time. Kernel info: Linux trajan 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown I've been using crontab for many years, but I'm certainly overlooking something quite obvious. Any pointers to clues will be most appreciated. Thanks. -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get broken after KDE dev download
I recently installed Knoppix 3.3 on my desktop (2.4.22-xfs). I had no problem using apt-get to grab the latest openoffice, python, xemacs, etc. But after I retrieved some KDE development tools, I'm no longer able to use apt-get. When executing apt-get -f install: Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libxcursor-dev The following NEW packages will be installed: libxcursor-dev 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 563 not upgraded. 10 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/27.3kB of archives. After unpacking 135kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org sid/i386/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7ebranden_packages_sid_i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eblade_testing_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) (Reading database ... 119970 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libxcursor-dev (from .../libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-2_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-2_i386.deb ( --unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h', which is also in package xlibs-dev Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-2_i386.deb W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org sid/i386/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7ebranden_packages_sid_i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eblade_testing_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) --- So I attempted to run apt-get update to correct these problems, but to no avail: Err http://people.debian.org ./ Sources Could not connect to people.debian.org:80 connection timed out Err http://people.debian.org ./ Release Could not connect to people.debian.org:80 connection timed out Fetched 169kB in 16m2s (176B/s) Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages/sid/i386/Packages.gz Could not connect to people.debian.org:80 connection timed out Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages/sid/i386/Release Could not connect to people.debian.org:80 connection timed out Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages/sid/source/Sources.gz . . . Reading Package Lists... Done E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. --- My apt.conf: APT::Default-Release testing; How can I fix the damage and return to using apt-get for package installation? -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
