Re: problem reading vim online dox
On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 07:36:31AM -0500, Nate Bargmann was only escaped alone to tell thee: Perhaps a simpler (or better, as it won't confuse the packaging system?) approach is to put this in your ~/.bash_profile: export VIMRUNTIME=/usr/share/vim/vim56 Hmm. Okay, but what if I use tcsh? I mean, what's the *real* (final, technically correct) solution? Again, without looking, I'll bet we can throw a similar line in /etc/vimrc. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: problem reading vim online dox
On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 10:47:31PM -0700, Aaron Maxwell was only escaped alone to tell thee: In vim, if I type :help I get Sorry, help file /usr/share/vim/vim56/doc/help.txt not found Press RETURN or enter command to continue I get this _exact_ same error message if i type any other help command, eg :help uganda Ah, it's not just me. Vim seems to expect the contents of /usr/share/vim/vim56 to be in /usr/share/vim . My quick and dirty fix before you look/leap was: su cd /usr/share/vim mv vim56/* . rmdir vim56 ln -s . vim56 We should check the bug reports. At the time, I was to busy upgrading and then I forgot. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: impatient upgrage question
On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 02:44:36AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was only escaped alone to tell thee: I have a fresh, minimal slink on my box. While it's still minimal, I'd like to upgrade it to potato. Should I go ahead and wait till potato is released? NO. :) You might have to do a bare minimum of tweaking, but I had a full slink here and an Adaptec SCSI-II card that has needed a custom kernel in the past and I can say that, slow modem aside, it was relatively painless. Think of it this way. A, you need the latest software, B, Debian needs guinea p^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbeta testers. anyway, can someone run down the steps to upgrading? What should I put in sources.list? I should be able to replace the frozen in the url to stable whenever the time is right, right? I have had great luck with the following: deb ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com:/.1/linux/debian potato main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US/ potato/non-US main ftp.freesoftware.com is the Linuxy side of the BSD-aligned ftp.cdrom.com. It is about three time as fast as ftp.us.debian.org. You need this speed, I'm sure. When you're mostly upgraded, you can point to debian.org again for the VERY latest. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: exim, sendmail, smail, qmail .... ???
On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 11:59:49AM +0930, John Pearson was only escaped alone to tell thee: Additionally, at one stage Eric Allman definitely had his nose out of joint over Linux; while that may be long past, people take these things personally and that may have contributed. Personality issues aside, Exim is GPL and Sendmail is BSD ; *and* currently administered by Allman's Sendmail, Inc., or some such joint stock for profit corporation. Big diff to a Debian. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: Install problem with AHA 2940 SCSI (older PC)
On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 10:48:18PM -0500, Robert C. Ramsdell was only escaped alone to tell thee: It correctly identitifes /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as the Linux and swap partitions. However, it will initialize, but hangs if I try to do a bad-block scan of either partition. After establishing this fact I ignored the scan step and moved on (why does it hang? I know there are no bad blocks) Hmm. This is new. I believe the install page (and perhaps the FAQ-omatic) give 2 sets of boot fd images. (The DebianHP is busy.) Perhaps you could try the other set. Mount /dev/fd0 (type msdos) on /floppy: wrong filesystem type, or bad superblock on /dev/fd0 Mount /dev/fd0 (type ext2) on /floppy: wrong filesystem type, or bad superblock on /dev/fd0 Wow. Also new. Yes, try the other set and see what happens. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: Install problem with AHA 2940 SCSI (older PC)
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:02:49PM -0500, Robert C. Ramsdell was only escaped alone to tell thee: Adaptec 2940 SCSI Host Adapter (LUN 7) You need a different kernel, one with AHA-2940 SCSI support *exclusively* and *specifically*. No other SCSI adapter drivers should be in the kernel if they are not installed on your system. The presence of all the drivers screws disk writes (but not reads! The install knows what kind of disks you have, for instance, and partition sizes, so it looks doable). Your DOS disk cannot recognize your HD because the partition table is trashed. I did that, too. Debian has this information on their website; you should just remember to carefully examine the website before you do anything rash, like installation. :) Go to the website, look through the FAQ-omatic and install webpages for the AHA-2940 pre-compiled kernels. Alternatively, if one has a working Debian system, you can download the kernel source, upgrade gcc, make, libs, c. and compile a custom kernel yourself. (Not recommended for newbies, I used Debian (and Linux/Unix in general) for about six months before I felt comfortable doing this. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: (xterm or rxvt) and VIM
While answering this message, I discovered that XTerm (which I hardly use) did not understand the Home and End keys, and backspaced for both Backspace and Delete! Turns out I had not 'potatoed' xterm and rxvt... :) 'Course, now XTerm is white BG and light grey text. Hmm. Ahh. /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm. Much better. On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 12:42:48AM +0200, Viktor Rosenfeld was only escaped alone to tell thee: Anyway, while the online help is really great it leaves me with a problem: I use VIM in a KDE konsole window which sets TERM to xterm. However, in Debian the termcap entry for xterm doesn't support colors. Is this a KDE problem? Does KDE use termcap and not terminfo? Termcap very likely does not support color; a termcap.gz is in /usr/share/doc, but Debian doesn't use it; it's just there for reference. My xterm/rxvt work great, 2.1 and 2.2. I'm composing this mail in vim 5.6 under xterm 3.3.6-7 and the highlighting works fine. In HTML the links are underlined, yadda yadda. In fact, let me say that Branden Robinson may be the Debian Developer in Most Dire Need of a Quaalude I've Ever Read, but his XF86 .deb's kick ass. Should I take a (DeadRat) friend's advice and try hand-installing X 4.0, I will preserve Robinson's X dirs and try to configure 4.0 as he would. [1] I do not use the GUI, because a) I don't need the menus, b) the color highlighting for a dark background is much better than for a light background, and c) the Athena widget set just looks painfully pathetic -- at least to my eyes. The GVim buttons aren't pretty, but most of GVim looks like Vim anyway, so you won't know the difference. GVim also has has great X support. Especially when you specify in ~/.gvimrc : if version = 500 syntax on endif set guifont=10x20 hi Normal guibg=black guifg=grey ^ That last line should help considerably. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: Sendmail
On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 06:18:06PM -0700, Jay Kelly was only escaped alone to tell thee: First, are you sure you wish it to go to `NEWtec'? Im running potato with kernel 2.2.15. I am using sendmail and am able to receive mail but when I send mail using mutt it comes back. Here is the header of my mail: Please copy into a mail message the following files: /etc/mailname /etc/mail/sendmail.mc -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: exim setup
On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 08:49:17AM -0300, Mario Olimpio de Menezes was only escaped alone to tell thee: to test the installation. Everything was OK but exim and consequently, fetchmail (since there is no response from localhost on port 25). My exim is configured to send and receive Internet mail (#1 option). Any other hint on this? I remember the exim installation asking if it wished to be run in daemon mode (for #2, at least, ISP using mail relay). You should have answered yes to this question in eximconfig. I have exim running (I was using sendmail, but am experimenting a bit with MTA's) and have noticed it doesn't show up in ps ax even in daemon mode. In the meantime, until you fix this, adding: mda formail -s procmail to ~/.fetchmailrc will bypass port 25 and drop it to the MDA directly. With no ~/.procmailrc, procmail will put mail in your spool dir as normal, no change. If you do normally use procmail to filter and delievr mail, and have an rc file, exim will run procmail automagically. When you get your MTA of choice running, you may then remove the mda line. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: potato install w/ aic7880
On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 12:45:47PM -0700, Chris Baker was only escaped alone to tell thee: sjk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am having a terrible time trying to get potato to install on a machine with an aic7880 scsi controller. The current rescue.bin hangs at loading sym53c416 - just after the aic78xxx mods. I have tried compiling a new kernel with the options listed in the install doc - and the install begins, but 1) it can't write the tmp keyboard config, and 2) the driver script fails. I can't seem to mount any of the driver disks to update the modules.tgz file - what file system do these disks use?? I have tried re-writing them several times. Have you tried passing aic7xxx=noprobe as a parameter to the kernel? No good, methinks. The default slink kernel was so loaded with SCSI drivers that the Adaptec 2940 in my machine choked and couldn't write to the drives. Two versions of aic7xxx-only kernels were announced on the Debian webpage to fix this. Does potato suffer from this problem as well? And may I compile a potato kernel on my slink machine BEFORE I upgrade, assuming I update glibc and gcc? -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: Debian 2.1 install
On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 11:55:50AM -0500, Tim Willis was only escaped alone to tell thee: The install gets to the line (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 419 instructions downloaded ...and hangs, or stops. It never goes any further. What kind of card? -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: WMMail.App + Mutt annoyances
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:09:56PM -0800, Ethan Benson was only escaped alone to tell thee: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:05:47PM -0400, Chris Gray wrote: I hacked on wmmail for a while to see if I could fix this. No luck. It does set the timestamp back, but that doesn't seem to help mutt. Maybe mutt checks something else, but I didn't have the patience to find out what from its source. its some sort of race condition, every so often if i go to switch mailboxes mutt notices new mail in $MAIL before wmmail does. its very rare though... That just means mutt cycles its checks more frequently. Did you check both? From manual.txt: Note: new mail is detected by comparing the last modification time to the last access time. Utilities like biff or frm or any other program which accesses the mailbox might cause Mutt to never detect new mail for that mailbox if they do not properly reset the access time. -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
Re: WMMail.App + Mutt annoyances
On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 12:23:16PM -0600, Alberto Brealey was only escaped alone to tell thee: thing is wmmail apparently changes something in the various mailboxes it checks, tricking mutt into thinking they don't have any new mail, even when they do. i want to know if someone has a solution for this problem, mutt uses the file timestamps to test for newness; biff-like new mail checkers that do not reset time stamps confuse mutt (see manual.txt). Perhaps wmmail has an option you could set? also, how can i change the initial mailbox mutt chacks? (i thought it was 'set mbox = ~/mail/mbox', but that does not do the trick). set mbox sets your default mailbox for storing. When you have read msgs left in /var/spool/mail/yourname when you exit, mutt asks you if you want them moved there. Aside from the order of the list following mailboxes= I'm not sure there is a way not to open your mail spool first. Try adding a '!' into the mailboxes line. Bang, '!', is a symbol for /v/s/m/yourname in mutt. -b -- i'm determined to stand, whether god |=| [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deliver me or not. -- bob dylan |=| www.cris.com/~bedlam
So much for wishful thinking...
Amazing how these things start. :) Well, Steve, I hope this teaches you there is no such thing as a friendly joke when Emacs is in the line. (So to speak.) If the FSF or the GPL did not exists, Emacs would still be a tax-deductible charity. (...under the bill of rights...) On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:06:38PM -0400, John S Jacobs Anderson was only escaped alone to tell thee: I haven't seen anybody other than you say that Emacs isn't a text editor. I have seen many people say it isn't _just_ a text editor (or words to that effect). Those two statements are _not_ equivalent. But this is: if Emacs is a text editor, a Caterpiller is an SUV; a chopped Hog, a scooter. Cram that down the throats of the DMV. Or the Hell's Angels. If Emacs is a text editor(/development environment/mailreader/psychologist) so was WordPerfect 5.1+. But if children become adults, and not large children, text editors become word processors. Hey--some of my favorite authors use Emacs. I don't. So if you wish to argue, I'll try and fight back, but not very hard. I dislike hurt feelings. I am curious about one thing, though. Why is Richard Stallman trying to duplicate an OS whose central philosophy (one job, one purpose, one tool, and infinite ways to combine them) is seemingly so alien to his signature work? -- Like all generalizations, this one is a little off, too.
Re: Help
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 07:34:52PM -0500, Chris Gray was only escaped alone to tell thee: it just means helping others get there more smoothly. GNU's Not Unix, but most especially it is not Windoh!s -- so let's not discard every element of geekish elitism which == discarding the Unix way of doing things. Nevertheless, it would be helpful if people wouldn't assume that everyone knows of the 'mail' program, for instance. The .sig is hard for CL newbies and they are not sinners for that. Keep the .sig by all means, but please count to ten before reaching for a LART. I had been seeing this thing at the bottom of each email for months and finally its meaning clicked. It simply takes months for subtleties to sink in -- I didn't get it at first either, though I write shell scripts, simply because I don't think of a mail program as something that can be run, start to finish, from a command line. It's also the most elegant way to unsubscribe from the list. Except for people on ISP's with dynamic IP's and no net.names. Then MTA's are rejected for having non-resolvable domain names. mutt points to sSMTP, not sendmail, but mail doesn't change that easily. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the one true pwd(5)
Re: Debian
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 12:06:43PM -0800, Bart Friederichs was only escaped alone to tell thee: Can anybody tell me why Debian is better than other distributions? And don't give me the 'it is the only really non-commercial version' crap. I want real technical benefits. Or is it all a matter of flavor? I have been using Slackware for one or two years now and I also liked that one. Switching to Debian was necessary because the store didn't sell slack. Then it wasn't really necessary, was it? Only convenient. One reason: have you seen the X directory structures under Red Hat? Ugh... it is a nightmare. And then ln -s is put to liberal use so you are hopelessly confused If Unix is hard, why make Linux harder?? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: gpg: how to send key to key server
On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 12:48:21PM +0100, Maurizio Boriani was only escaped alone to tell thee: Greet all, how can i send my pubblic key to a key server using gpg? thank a lot in advance. gpg --send-keys keyserver wwwkeys.us.pgp.net is my entry in ~/.gnupg/options , but you should hunt around that server's web page for a server closer to you. Advance tip: cut+paste in Lynx may be hazardous to your health, so keep hunting through the gpg man page and options file until you get the above command to work. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan pgpUYge4QBuZs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Locales
Okay, I've been munging my system all day, and now have Nethack's OPTIONS=IBMgraphics font working in color in tty. Not quite sure how I got there, I was working on something else. The big question is, what exactly is the font: /usr/share/consolefonts/default8x16.gz ?? cp437 or cp865?? Something else? Not iso-8859-1, is it? Evidently it has the IBM-specific graphics characters and at least most of the umlaut- and accented characters. Mutt and Lynx both look good under it. When I try setting the font to iso1.f16.gz, for instance, *even* *if* mutt knows about the char font difference, the message thread arrows break, showing accented A's. If I set it to default8x16.gz, man replaces hyphens with upside down bangs. Is there a middle ground? What is a good source on locale? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: messed up terminal
On Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 06:17:47PM +0200, Ron Rademaker was only escaped alone to tell thee: You can either type reset or setterm -reset (on the messed up prompt) On the advice of the keyboard/console HOWTO I put this in my .bash_profile: alias blow='echo -e \\\033c' In addition to clearing the screen, it resets the keymaps and all. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: How to make SCSI only bootup
On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 12:56:28PM +, David Wright was only escaped alone to tell thee: The BIOS needs to be able to read from the boot device without any assistance from linux. If you're getting 2FA, then that task is done. Now lilo needs to read the kernel from the partition where it has been told it is. I think that's what's failing. It's easy to make mistakes with fdisk your first time: I, for some reason, decided at installation that my linux swap partition needed to be bootable. shrug What worked for *me* in this instance was putting linear in lilo.conf and changing boot=/dev/hda2 to boot=/dev/hda . This puts lilo in the master boot record of the disk instead of the boot sector of the 2nd partition. (You'll be using sd, not hd, and maybe a different partition number.) I know the aha-2940 writes its own BIOS into my PC's memory if no IDE drives are installed. This makes installation of OS/2 (don't laugh, this was a while ago...), and Linux and presumably all non-crippleware OS's MUCH easier, as my BIOS does not have to support IDE's st1506 (? did I remember that aright?) legacy; allowing me attitude type=smug to boot from my 2nd HD's second logical partition. /attitude Go into fdisk and use the 'p' command on your drives and WRITE this info down. When primary, logical and extended partitions mix the numbering scheme gets confusing and non-obvious FAST--easy to make a mistake like mine above. (Not that I'm being defensive :) Below is a paste of my partitions on sda and sdb, .7 and 8.5 gig drives, showing how the numbering skips to 5 when you start making only logical partitions. I don't know if the DPT card does this BIOS repair. Even with IDE-compatible HD addressing the 'linear' lilo.conf option may not be necessary as long as the boot partition is below cyl. 1024. You asked if the disk has an MBR, THE master boot record of partitions for the whole disk, as opposed to mbr's, each partitions' layout data. Each drive always does, unless corrupted. To boot into lilo, it must go there: on a SCSI system it would be boot=/dev/sda. NO number means it points to the MBR; sda1 is the first partition which has AN mbr, but not THE drive MBR--that is at sda; see my lilo.conf below. lilo.conf boot=/dev/sda root=/dev/sdb6 install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map compact vga=normal prompt timeout=100 verbose=3 read-only image=/vmlinuz label=linux image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36 label=old other=/dev/sda1 label=dos table=/dev/sda disk partitions Disk /dev/sda: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 699 cylinders Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 *1 629 644080b Win95 FAT32 /dev/sda2 630 699716805 Extended /dev/sda5 630 69971664 82 Linux swap /dev/sdb11 1105 88758815 Extended /dev/sdb51 38 305172c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/sdb6 * 39 357 2562336 83 Linux native /dev/sdb7 358 612 2048256 83 Linux native /dev/sdb8 613 931 2562336 83 Linux native /dev/sdb9 932 1007 610438+ 83 Linux native /dev/sdb101008 1105 787153+ 83 Linux native -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: Easy quota question
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 05:39:45PM +0100, Ron Rademaker was only escaped alone to tell thee: What IS the format in which I should type the quota, I only see complains that my format isn't the right one... BUT WHY ISN'T THERE ANY DOCUMENTATION ON WHAT IS THE RIGHT ONE!! There is a mini-HOWTO on my slink system called, simply, Quota. I have the Howtos and FAQ's in my Lynx startup screen. You make convenient what you repeatedly use. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: How to make SCSI only bootup
On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 10:43:57AM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was only escaped alone to tell thee: what other alternative is there to make the SCSI boot up without the need of a floppy? Is this another aha-2940 problem? :) What SCSI adapter do you have? Stock Debian install boot disks come with SCSI in the kernel. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: AIC 7870 scsi freezes slink install
On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:09:52AM +, Patrick was only escaped alone to tell thee: Slink destroyed my partitions, too: it did everything fine until I assigned partitions and it DIED. Killed my second windoh!s partition sigh. AHA-2940 is a great card, but the many SCSI drivers cause it to lock. Debian has two different sets of resc1440.bin and drv1440.bin for floppy install on a aic78xx box. One is mentioned under the FAQOMATIC on the Documentation page and both are mentioned on the page where it talks about hardware. At this moment, Debian HP is 100% non-responsive: I could mime-mail you the .bin files if you like. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: the FAQ-machine
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 10:06:58AM +0100, Hans Ekbrand was only escaped alone to tell thee: Wouldn't it be a good thing if questions that were raised more than once on this list, and answered was included in the automatic FAQ? This FAQ seems to be a bit smaller than I expected, regarded the number of frequently asked questions I have seen on this list the short period of time I have been subscribed (4-5 months). Me too, me too--ahem, I mean, I agree. How do we start? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
nls support
When booting my slink box recently, I get this message: Console: 16 point font, 400 scans Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63) as normal, at the top of the boot msgs, then, recently, about when the partitions mount: Unable to load NLS charset cp437(nls_cp437) Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1(nls_iso8859_1) I've noticed that recent outgoing mails that mutt saves have --=20 instead of -- and this is probably related. This began about the time I did a lot of system tweaking. (I think I just heard a bunch of Linux wizards grind their teeth :) I've also noticed some text files that show: B7 mutt-announce with the B7 shown in reverse. But I can't remember if it was like that before. keymaps.sh works fine. /usr/share/console -fonts and -trans are still extant. I've taken: atd xdm isdnutilsmountnfs.sh nfs-server pcmcia out of /etc/init.d/ and update-rc.d'ed them out. (This is a home box but I leave it running 24/7.) I've also removed the mutt, slrn, and gpg .deb's to install the most up to date tarball's in /usr/local/* . BUT I haven't updated the kernel, libraries or compiler except by using slink .deb's, as I still find it too confusing yet. Any ideas? :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan pgp5cm0cprldG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pronounciation of Linux -- curiosity about origin
On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 12:25:30AM -0500, Daniel Barclay was only escaped alone to tell thee: The Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: Since those would suggest only LIE-nucks and LEE-nucks, I still wonder: Where did LIH-nucks come from? See below. Did the sound come through someone speaking a language that has neither the long-e nor long-i sounds (of English) (so only a short i was perceived and repeated)? No. Was it just an odd perception of how the letters l-i-n-u-x would be pronounced? No. It was the least-kludged way to say it, the path of least resistance. Hey, wait: Might it have come from Minix, which I assume is pronounce MINN-... (as in minimal)? That's what Linus started with, right? Yes, but likely, no. Unless they specifically spelled it out (that's a witty, son) while tinkering with the first inchoate versions of the Linux kernel-to-be, our man in Finnland probably never heard Americans pronounce Linux until thousands already were. Remember, they developed it over email, and Mr. Torvalds, who had just bought a 386 in 1990-91, probably was not yet wealthy enough to call his American co-developers for etymologic chats. And too busy, besides, I would imagine. Since, at least here in the States, Unix is pronounced with a long U and short I (Minix with two short I's), and Linux got four of its five letters from Unix, and its arrangement from Linus: U -- nix Li -- nux you -- nicks li -- nicks (i's pronounced as in tick) (nux ends up sounding much like my friends out here in the American Middle West pronounce Fort Dix, say; flatter than, e.g., Canucks. :) The main sound substitution between the two is the L for the Y-sound that so often precedes the English long U -- esp. as the first letter of the word. The secondary change has to do with the odd nature of English-speakers, who show a high preference for short vowels. As Stephen Sondheim pointed out, any fool can write an opera libretto in Italian, good or not, because Italian has fewer sounds and almost all the vowels are long -- which also makes it a favorite language of opera singers. (Try and sing the English word it. Making English singable is, as they say, not a trivial hack.) The long U in the first syllable is not matched by Linux (or it would be spelled Lunix, lou -- nicks). The I could be made to match Unix's first syllable, and be long, but long E's and I's are very sharp in English. (Drab 'the' becomes sharp, noticeable, and attention-grabbing when it is used specifically to emphasize, say, the Revealed Truths of THE one, true Church of Tarim!) Short I is flatter than, but closer to the smooth round sound of long U -- also, to the eye reading the words, short I and U match as much more alike than not. Lee -- nicks, or lee -- nucks, almost stops the word short before its first syllable is out. You owe the Oracle a new CD edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, and a way to plug it into a Speak and Spell. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: default bpp for x
On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 04:57:08PM +0100, Ron Rademaker was only escaped alone to tell thee: Edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config go to the section Screen that you use and add the line: DefaultColorDepth 24 I have a Matrox Millenium which works great, EXCEPT: When I reset the color depth, entering 16 in section: screen , driver: accel did nothing. Changing it in section: screen , driver: svga did change it. startx's startup chatter notes xaa parameters being configured. Does XAA run on top of SVGA, or is X just not using acceleration? (The docs note that the Millenium is well-supported by XAA.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: Debian logo et al.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 08:46:00AM -0800, Pann McCuaig was only escaped alone to tell thee: ftp.ourmanpann.com/pub/pann/linuxlogo_3.0-3_i386.deb Just a reminder (no, there's nothing funny about this package). You should think twice about installing packages that you don't get from an official source. Speaking of logons, what control character may I write in the /etc/issue file so the screen is cleared and text writing begins in the upper left of the vc screen? I tried Ctl-L but it didn't work; I looked in the archives, no good, man pages getty and issue also ng. I find that I really prefer being able to tell at a glance that I am logged off a virtual console. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: Debian logo et al.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 10:13:23PM +0100, Martin Bialasinski was only escaped alone to tell thee: Speaking of logons, what control character may I write in the /etc/issue file so the screen is cleared and text writing begins in the upper left of the vc screen? I tried Ctl-L but it didn't work; I looked in the archives, no good, man pages getty and issue also ng. clear file Ciao, Martin Um, no. I know how to create empty files. :) Slink's default behavior leaves all the text from the previous user's session on the screen, and writes /etc/issue to the screen at the bottom, with all this old session text above it. Red Hat prints /etc/issue (I assume that's the file) on a blank screen at the screen's top. How? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: Debian logo et al.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 02:17:43PM -0900, Adam Shand was only escaped alone to tell thee: the above command doesn't create an empty file, it creates a file which contains the control codes which clear the screen. eg. smack! Duh! I'm so happy I can't blush over the net. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: Install problem
On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 05:23:53PM -0500, Charles O. Hartman was only escaped alone to tell thee: 2) If I add another piece of equipment (such as an extra hard drive), how do I go about acquainting the system with that fact? Do I re-run install? But that's a DOS command and DOS has gone away now . . . For something like a scanner, I assume you would need to setup a driver. For another HD, use linux's /sbin/fdisk -- just like DOS. You make partitions, than add them to /etc/fstab -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
Re: Newbie answers and newbie questions (was Re: Install problem)
On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 10:56:59PM -0500, Richard Zitola was only escaped alone to tell thee: And now for a newbie question of my own... I've installed the base system and everything works fine, including ppp, etc. How can I use the tasks and profiles method of package selection that was in section 7.23 of the install guide? Is this even possible, or do I have to deal with picking out of deselect by hand? 2000+ packages! Yikes! May I add that it would be helpful if the install process told you how to get back to this particular point, in case you accidently select the wrong one or must restart? I know I had to restart the whole install because the system didn't begin at this point again and I was (am sheepish g) newbie enough to be unable to locate it. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.concentric.net/~bedlam Though nothing is wasted, everything is spent. -- Annie Dillard But to live outside the law you must be honest -- Bob Dylan
