Re: Mailing list protocol
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:37:29 +0300 Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@gulfsat.mg wrote: noela...@gmail.com : In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then hit reply, and only the selected section will be quoted. Yep. Pan (a nntp newsreader) has such option. So does Claws-mail. And Sylpheed. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100827031516.c2a7cacf.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:30:27 + (UTC) s. keeling keel...@nucleus.com wrote: ... slrn beats 'em all. Bravo, we can subscribe to a mailing list and read it with a newsreader. Yay. Real newsreaders and mail user agents don't fsck up the quoting (above fixed manually :-). Or use Sylpheed, where you can subscribe to a newsgroup and read it with an MUA ... Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100827031622.922c5f0f.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Mailing list protocol
In 4c774786.8010...@familyross.net, Kevin Ross wrote: On 8/25/2010 11:27 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: I don't know anyone who gets irritated by seeing the usenet quoting style. Joel Spolsky does. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html In all fairness, he was talking about a different medium and had an issue (in that medium) with *any* form of quoting. Quoting is important in newsgroups and e-mail because a reply might appear before the post to which it is replying, and the context is important since it is important the message stand alone. (It is increasingly rare, but I've had replies arrive before their parent at least once over the last month.) In most web forums, such problems don't exist, so quoting becomes redundant noise. Especially since you are likely forced to read (or at least skim) a few messages prior to the ones you haven't read yet. When displaying more than one message at once, the UI should probably elide any quoted text that is already on the screen (at least). GMail does a bit more than this, but the idea is sound. I vastly prefer mailing list to web forums, and disagree with some of his other points, but this is quickly getting OT. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Mailing list protocol
On 08/27/2010 01:16 AM, Celejar wrote: Or use Sylpheed, where you can subscribe to a newsgroup and read it with an MUA ... ... or use Icedove/Thunderbird for reading not only news://, but RSS as well as mail. -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 01:30:27AM +, s. keeling wrote: slrn beats 'em all. Bravo, we can subscribe to a mailing list and read it with a newsreader. Yay. Real newsreaders and mail user agents don't fsck up the quoting (above fixed manually :-). I've used slrn for years for newsgroups but Mutt is far more flexible for mail. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mailing list protocol
Hey! On 08/25/2010 10:52 AM, Gary Roach wrote: snippy I sent this email to the chromium-discuss mailing list, as there doesn't seem to be a soul who understands how to read email text, and how to properly reply to a technical list (probably because they're all using the crappy Gmail MUA): The online web UI is quite awful for dealing with mailing lists, by default, it wants to send everything to the person you are replying to, not the list, this caught me out on more than one occasion! I would recommend anyone who still uses the web-mail ui, who can swap, to swap to a better client like claw mail ;) http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-discuss/msg/df924dbb59ec4330?dmode=source Long story short: * Trim your reply. Only include the relevant text to support your reply. * Bottom-post or interweave. People don't read English text from the bottom to top. Your reply should always be beneath what you're replying to. -- Regards, Angus Hedger Debian GNU/Linux User PGP Public Key 0xEE6A4B97 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list protocol
noela...@gmail.com : In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then hit reply, and only the selected section will be quoted. Yep. Pan (a nntp newsreader) has such option. So does Claws-mail. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 34 56 000 19 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100826143729.3d5d1...@packard.rktmb.org
Re: Mailing list protocol
On 08/26/2010 05:37 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: noela...@gmail.com : In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then hit reply, and only the selected section will be quoted. Yep. Pan (a nntp newsreader) has such option. So does Claws-mail. As does Icedove/Thunderbird. -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 05:46 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: On 08/26/2010 05:37 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: noela...@gmail.com : In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then hit reply, and only the selected section will be quoted. Yep. Pan (a nntp newsreader) has such option. So does Claws-mail. As does Icedove/Thunderbird. And Evolution :-) -- Tixy () The ASCII Ribbon Campaign (www.asciiribbon.org) /\ Against HTML e-mail and proprietary attachments -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1282857250.2273.1.ca...@computer2.home
Re: Mailing list protocol
Tixy debianu...@tixy.myzen.co.uk: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 05:46 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: On 08/26/2010 05:37 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: noela...@gmail.com : In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then hit reply, and only the selected section will be quoted. Yep. Pan (a nntp newsreader) has such option. So does Claws-mail. As does Icedove/Thunderbird. And Evolution :-) slrn beats 'em all. Bravo, we can subscribe to a mailing list and read it with a newsreader. Yay. Real newsreaders and mail user agents don't fsck up the quoting (above fixed manually :-). -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i574fj$tl...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 06:30:21PM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: [...] seem to be a soul who understands how to read email text, and how to properly reply to a technical list (probably because they're all using the crappy Gmail MUA): It's not that bad; I've actually grown fond of it and I'm a long time slrn/mutt user! I'm a member of that list as well. The principle is to use whatever convention the List uses; nothing is carved in stone these days. If you were using the webmail interface (Gmail's) for that list it would make sense as it collapses quoted contents; but one can still selectively quote with key shortcuts in Gmail web interface. The problem arises reading Google email/Google Groups with a conventional e-mail client. http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-discuss/msg/df924dbb59ec4330?dmode=source Long story short: * Trim your reply. Only include the relevant text to support your reply. * Bottom-post or interweave. People don't read English text from the bottom to top. Your reply should always be beneath what you're replying to. Interleave or do what whatever e-mail list you're on follows in terms of rules. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100827031930.ga19...@laptop.nodomain.bell.ca
Re: Mailing list protocol
On 8/25/2010 11:27 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: I don't know anyone who gets irritated by seeing the usenet quoting style. Joel Spolsky does. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c774786.8010...@familyross.net
Mailing list protocol
Hi; This is kind of an embarrassing question considering I have been subscribed to this list for several years. What is the protocol for a reply. Though I have bumbled through the process in the past, I am not sure how it should really be done. I searched for about a half hour on google and on the debian site and still have questions. Specifically: If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. Though in danger on creating an email food fight, I still need to know whether my reply goes on the top or bottom of the text. I seem to be cleaning up a lot of computer loose ends recently. This is one of them. Thanks Gary R. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c754a51.2070...@verizon.net
Re: Mailing list protocol
Hi Have you read http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ ? On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 17:52, Gary Roach gary719_li...@verizon.net wrote: If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. Your responsibility AFAIK. Though in danger on creating an email food fight, I still need to know whether my reply goes on the top or bottom of the text. Bottom or mixed. HTH, Nuno -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktiksjaognlpqgfs4qyvcojst+xgv+7_41n1rs...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:52:33 -0400 (EDT), Gary Roach wrote: This is kind of an embarrassing question considering I have been subscribed to this list for several years. What is the protocol for a reply. Though I have bumbled through the process in the past, I am not sure how it should really be done. I searched for about a half hour on google and on the debian site and still have questions. The official mailing list policy is here: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Pay particular attention to the Code of Conduct section, but you should be familiar with all the content of this page. However, the official policy does not cover everything. Specifically: If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. This is one of those things that is not explicitly covered by the policy. The vast majority of the regular users prefer the usenet style of quoting, rather than the top posting method commonly used by typical GUI e-mail clients (i.e. Outlook, gmail web-based e-mail client, etc.) This doesn't mean that you can't use those e-mail clients, but it does mean that if you do you will have to do more manual work to get your reply into the usenet format. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style And yes, trimming your posts is your responsibility. The basic idea is to provide enough context so that your reply makes sense without including extra material that has already been posted and is not needed to make sense of the reply. That also is covered in the above wikipedia article. Though in danger on creating an email food fight, I still need to know whether my reply goes on the top or bottom of the text. I seem to be cleaning up a lot of computer loose ends recently. This is one of them. Again, there is no official policy on this. But if the goal is to get help for a problem you are having, it makes sense to irritate those from whom you are asking for free help as little as possible. I don't know anyone who gets irritated by seeing the usenet quoting style. But I do know people who are irritated by top posting. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/74610929.361113.1282760873278.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Mailing list protocol
Gary Roach writes: If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. It's up to you. decent MUAs provide help with quoting but you must edit down included text. I still need to know whether my reply goes on the top or bottom of the text. You should respond below each snippet that you are replying to. You should not include any more context than necessary. Quoting an entire screen-filling message unedited and replying below it will get you ignored. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87tymi1roe@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:52:33 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: (...) If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. I guess you'll have to manually delete the extra quoting, at least until someone develops an intelligent MUA/newsreader to get this job done automagically (will require mind-reading capability) :-) Though in danger on creating an email food fight, I still need to know whether my reply goes on the top or bottom of the text. I prefer bottom posting, it keeps the whole thread in a more readable fashion. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.08.25.18.58...@gmail.com
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Wednesday 25 August 2010 14:58:07 Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:52:33 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: (...) If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. I guess you'll have to manually delete the extra quoting, at least until someone develops an intelligent MUA/newsreader to get this job done automagically (will require mind-reading capability) :-) In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then hit reply, and only the selected section will be quoted. Unfortunately, you apparently can't multi-select using the Control key. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. | | Research Scientist III | | NYS Dept. of Health j...@wadsworth.org | | Wadsworth Center - ESP | | P. O. Box 509518 486-7829 | | Albany, NY 12201-0509 | IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information which is, or may be, legally privileged or otherwise protected by law from further disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, please do not distribute, copy or use it or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201008251555.40260.j...@wadsworth.org
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:55:39 -0400, Christopher Judd wrote: On Wednesday 25 August 2010 14:58:07 Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:52:33 -0700, Gary Roach wrote: (...) If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. I guess you'll have to manually delete the extra quoting, at least until someone develops an intelligent MUA/newsreader to get this job done automagically (will require mind-reading capability) :-) In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then hit reply, and only the selected section will be quoted. Unfortunately, you apparently can't multi-select using the Control key. Yep. Pan (a nntp newsreader) has such option. What cannot do (nowadays) is determining what excerpts to select for replying to, that's the user's job. That was my point :-) I always keep the whole text when replying -for getting the big picture- to provide an accurate answer and then remove the parts I am not answering to. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.08.25.20.17...@gmail.com
Re: Mailing list protocol
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:55:39 -0400 Christopher Judd j...@wadsworth.org wrote: ... In Kmail, and probably some other MUAs, you can select the text first and then Sylpheed, too. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100825200505.95dfd135.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Mailing list protocol
On 08/25/2010 10:52 AM, Gary Roach wrote: This is kind of an embarrassing question considering I have been subscribed to this list for several years. What is the protocol for a reply. Though I have bumbled through the process in the past, I am not sure how it should really be done. I searched for about a half hour on google and on the debian site and still have questions. Specifically: If I reply to debian-user@lists.debian.org , how does my reply get included with the correct snippets of other messages. Or is this my responsibility to cut and paste relevent sections. I sent this email to the chromium-discuss mailing list, as there doesn't seem to be a soul who understands how to read email text, and how to properly reply to a technical list (probably because they're all using the crappy Gmail MUA): http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-discuss/msg/df924dbb59ec4330?dmode=source Long story short: * Trim your reply. Only include the relevant text to support your reply. * Bottom-post or interweave. People don't read English text from the bottom to top. Your reply should always be beneath what you're replying to. -- . O . O . O . . O O . . . O . . . O . O O O . O . O O . . O O O O . O . . O O O O . O O O signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
