Re: Fwd: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On Sat, 2021-08-14 at 20:44 +0100, Michael Howard wrote: > and her is an off list reply reply from the less than honourable Polyna I killfiled them weeks ago, I don't know why people do just do similar and move on...
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 2021-08-14 3:51 p.m., Curt wrote:
> On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
>> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>
>>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
>>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
>>>
>>
>> Please take this shit off list!
>>
>
> IP overwrought, is that it?
>
>
>
He want to take the IP over the list ?
IPoL ?
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14/08/2021 20:51, Curt wrote:
On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
Please take this shit off list!
IP overwrought, is that it?
No
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote:
> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
>>
>
> Please take this shit off list!
>
IP overwrought, is that it?
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 2021-08-14 2:35 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs writes: >>> Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in >>> order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. >> >> Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message IDs >> and other identifying header features that the trolls are unaware of the >> existence of. > > Depends on how dedicated the troll is. There's a person on the help-bash > mailing list who has been trolling us under *multiple* fake identities > since the beginning of the year. They change their email address, their > name (including apparent gender), and even their MUA on a regular basis > in order to try to sneak in a few more of their questions. > > I've got two killfile entries for this person, but they only work on > the troll's past patterns, and there's no guarantee I'll catch their > future messages this way. This means I have to be continually on guard, > and treat any newcomer with suspicion. > > Some people just suck. > Some people make more effort to be useless in society than to contribute in something profitable for all of us. The main problem is that those person often think they are so great... Luckily, I've learned one expression from you and it was *killlist* Just reminded me that it's often better to use this with some user of this list. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
and her is an off list reply reply from the less than honourable Polyna
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Subject:Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:41:22 -0400
From: Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
To: Michael Howard
On 2021-08-14 3:35 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 20:25, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
Hi,
On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
worked. And, of course, pigeons.
Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
Please take this shit off list!
rarely seen someone who express himself in a so good manner !
teaching by example, does this ever come to your mind ?
Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is
social ineptitude and it has to stop.
Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please?
FUCK OFF
-- Michael Howard.
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14.08.21 21:35, Michael Howard wrote: Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is social ineptitude and it has to stop. Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please? -- Michael Howard. +1 --- Marco
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14/08/2021 20:25, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
Hi,
On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
worked. And, of course, pigeons.
Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
Please take this shit off list!
rarely seen someone who express himself in a so good manner !
teaching by example, does this ever come to your mind ?
Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is
social ineptitude and it has to stop.
Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please?
--
Michael Howard.
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Hi,
On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote:
> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>
>>> tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>>> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
>>> yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
>>> worked. And, of course, pigeons.
>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
>>
>
> Please take this shit off list!
>
rarely seen someone who express himself in a so good manner !
teaching by example, does this ever come to your mind ?
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
tomas writes:
But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
worked. And, of course, pigeons.
Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
Please take this shit off list!
--
Michael Howard.
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Charlie Gibbs writes: > > Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in > > order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. > > Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message IDs > and other identifying header features that the trolls are unaware of the > existence of. Depends on how dedicated the troll is. There's a person on the help-bash mailing list who has been trolling us under *multiple* fake identities since the beginning of the year. They change their email address, their name (including apparent gender), and even their MUA on a regular basis in order to try to sneak in a few more of their questions. I've got two killfile entries for this person, but they only work on the troll's past patterns, and there's no guarantee I'll catch their future messages this way. This means I have to be continually on guard, and treat any newcomer with suspicion. Some people just suck.
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Charlie Gibbs writes: > Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in > order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message IDs and other identifying header features that the trolls are unaware of the existence of. Though they usually are not worth the trouble. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On Sat Aug 14 10:23:31 2021 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: > >> Stefan writes: >> >>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >> >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". >> >> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked >> individual) about the action, though. > > I have serious doubt against the "plonked" being able to appreciate > what is happening to him. Most of the time, they won't stop and will > just continue to argue against themselves. Something trying to use > words from language they don't even master while trying to do so. Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. These are particularly dedicated individuals who feel that their message must be heard under any circumstances. https://xkcd.com/386/ -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | "Some of you may die, \ /| but it's a sacrifice X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | I'm willing to make." / \ if you read it the right way. |-- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it?
>
> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier
> yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but
> worked. And, of course, pigeons.
Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church
steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.)
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Le 14/08/2021 à 14:37, John Hasler a écrit : > tomas writes: >> But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? > Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet > we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked. > And, of course, pigeons. I have a secondary MX through UUCP, but over IPv6...
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
tomas writes: > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked. And, of course, pigeons. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 04:12:10PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de [2021-08-13 19:11:43] wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:49:34PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > > wrote: > > [...] > >> Plonk ? [...] > > [1] http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/plonk.html > > How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style > representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? ;-P Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 20:21:27 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-13 6:55 p.m., songbird wrote: > > John Hasler wrote: > > ... > >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the > >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a > >> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". > > > > having been reading usenet since before the great renaming > > it was a term that i haven't used often. > great renaming ? > Usenet is not Usenet anymore ? Please, STFW. Cheers, David.
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 2021-08-13 6:55 p.m., songbird wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > ... >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". > > having been reading usenet since before the great renaming > it was a term that i haven't used often. great renaming ? Usenet is not Usenet anymore ? > > i found out years ago that i just don't have the energy any > more to get that mad about something on-line. the n key is > many fewer keystrokes than *plonk*. :) > > > songbird > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
to...@tuxteam.de [2021-08-13 19:11:43] wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:49:34PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > [...] >> Plonk ? > Greg and The Wanderer already provided a definition. Just adding > one standard reference, the Jargon File [1] in such things. Old > Usenet lore. > Cheers > > [1] http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/plonk.html How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. Stefan
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
songbird writes: > i found out years ago that i just don't have the energy any more to > get that mad about something on-line. the n key is many fewer > keystrokes than *plonk*. :) When I find that I'm hitting n every time I see a certain user I killfile them. Saves keystrokes, reduces clutter. It's about boredom, not anger. Of course, as a Gnus user I can killfile (score down, actually) subjects and threads as well. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
John Hasler wrote: ... > No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the > bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a > particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". having been reading usenet since before the great renaming it was a term that i haven't used often. i found out years ago that i just don't have the energy any more to get that mad about something on-line. the n key is many fewer keystrokes than *plonk*. :) songbird
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 8/14/21 12:17 AM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: they won't stop and will just continue to argue against themselves Quite, quite : this is happening : now .
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14-08-2021 07:37, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-13 5:31 p.m., Weaver wrote: >> On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: Stefan writes: > How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style > representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked individual) about the action, though. >>> I have serious doubt against the "plonked" being able to appreciate what >>> is happening to him. Most of the time, they won't stop and will just >>> continue to argue against themselves. Something trying to use words from >>> language they don't even master while trying to do so. >> >> This would be typical: waxing wisely on a term they were obviously not >> familiar with, five minutes ago, when they enquired after it. >> Cheers! >> > This would be typical of not understand some simple second degree use of > words. Could it be possible that I have another word that I use for > "plonk" ? A word that can be substituted for ? Pretty much... I call > this being "punked", maybe it's more used orally in Ontario and Eastern > Canada than in writing. > > I don't know what you are trying to prove here, except maybe that you > are worth being associated with the word stated earlier ? I think you'll find mailing lists are international in nature. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 2021-08-13 5:31 p.m., Weaver wrote: > On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: >>> Stefan writes: How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >>> >>> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >>> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >>> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >>> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". >>> >>> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked >>> individual) about the action, though. >>> >> I have serious doubt against the "plonked" being able to appreciate what >> is happening to him. Most of the time, they won't stop and will just >> continue to argue against themselves. Something trying to use words from >> language they don't even master while trying to do so. > > This would be typical: waxing wisely on a term they were obviously not > familiar with, five minutes ago, when they enquired after it. > Cheers! > This would be typical of not understand some simple second degree use of words. Could it be possible that I have another word that I use for "plonk" ? A word that can be substituted for ? Pretty much... I call this being "punked", maybe it's more used orally in Ontario and Eastern Canada than in writing. I don't know what you are trying to prove here, except maybe that you are worth being associated with the word stated earlier ? > Harry. > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
John Hasler wrote: > Stefan writes: > > How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style > > representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. > > No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the > bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a > particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". > > I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked > individual) about the action, though. Oh, no, it's not for them. If they were worth arguing with, one wouldn't bother plonking them - just quietly ignore them. Plonking is a social signal to everybody else. *This person* is in *my opinion* not worth an argument -- consider whether you want to do the same. It's never unanimous. There's a decades-long troll on rec.arts.sf.written who apparently has a worthwhile thing to say about once every two years. I find out by seeing it quoted in other people's messages. -dsr-
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: >> Stefan writes: >>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >> >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". >> >> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked >> individual) about the action, though. >> > I have serious doubt against the "plonked" being able to appreciate what > is happening to him. Most of the time, they won't stop and will just > continue to argue against themselves. Something trying to use words from > language they don't even master while trying to do so. This would be typical: waxing wisely on a term they were obviously not familiar with, five minutes ago, when they enquired after it. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Hi, On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: > Stefan writes: >> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. > > No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the > bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a > particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". > > I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked > individual) about the action, though. > I have serious doubt against the "plonked" being able to appreciate what is happening to him. Most of the time, they won't stop and will just continue to argue against themselves. Something trying to use words from language they don't even master while trying to do so. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
Stefan writes: > How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style > representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked individual) about the action, though. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
