Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-23 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 22:54:19 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 01:19:51 +0200, lee wrote: At least they are supporting others in breaking RFCs, and I wonder how that could not be against their own

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-21 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: [I may be misunderstanding how your mail system works but your Date: header doesn't look right] On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 00:53:44 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:15:49 +0200, lee wrote: There is no

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-21 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 01:19:51 +0200, lee wrote: At least they are supporting others in breaking RFCs, and I wonder how that could not be against their own interests. In any case, it classifies them as (at least potentially very) unreliable. This is

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-21 Thread Brian
On Mon 20 Oct 2014 at 21:19:05 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: [I may be misunderstanding how your mail system works but your Date: header doesn't look right] On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 00:53:44 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 17

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-21 Thread Brian
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 22:54:19 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 01:19:51 +0200, lee wrote: At least they are supporting others in breaking RFCs, and I wonder how that could not be against their own interests. In any case, it classifies them

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-20 Thread Joe
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:37:13 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: primary_hostname is used as the HELO but Debian doesn't set it. Also, the exim maintainers aren't very keen on your using it in a configuration file. Many mail servers have a public IP address, and it makes sense to

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-19 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:15:49 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-19 Thread lee
Joe j...@jretrading.com writes: On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:13:54 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:20:44 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: Not that I'm suggesting setting up exim to offer an invalid HELO; it will lead to trouble

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-19 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: An address literal is not the same as an IP address. An MTA should not be rejecting mail on the basis that the HELO is an address literal. Oh, then what is it? Using an example from RFC5321, an address literal is [123.255.37.2]. An IP address would

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-19 Thread Brian
[I may be misunderstanding how your mail system works but your Date: header doesn't look right] On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 00:53:44 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:15:49 +0200, lee wrote: There is no mentioning of /etc/mailname here. Perhaps

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-19 Thread Brian
On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 01:19:51 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: An address literal is not the same as an IP address. An MTA should not be rejecting mail on the basis that the HELO is an address literal. Oh, then what is it? Using an example from RFC5321, an

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-18 Thread Joe
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:13:54 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:20:44 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: Not that I'm suggesting setting up exim to offer an invalid HELO; it will lead to trouble sooner or later. However, as a reason

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: Not that I'm suggesting setting up exim to offer an invalid HELO; it will lead to trouble sooner or later. However, as a reason for mail being rejected or not arriving it doesn't come top of the list. Not accepting invalid HELOs is pretty high on the list

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip Egad ... I just noticed that was from a

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:15:49 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:18:14 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:20:44 +0200, lee wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: Not that I'm suggesting setting up exim to offer an invalid HELO; it will lead to trouble sooner or later. However, as a reason for mail being rejected or not arriving it doesn't come top of the list.

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 15:42:49 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? See

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the format

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Joe
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:25:37 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string.

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Joe
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:26:02 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote: Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/13/2014 5:25 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? See

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 10:51:51 +0100, Joe wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:25:37 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 08:31:38 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/13/2014 5:25 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. Did the Authentication work or fail? [NOTE: Just for the information, my lan is a fake one 2xd.{local.lan} was just invented right out of thin air

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. Reading RFC 2821 would be even better, since RFC 821 is obsoleted by RFC 2821. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1dv.local.lan dvlocalhost 10.0.0.9

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: I accidentally let my prior response get away before I remembered to ask these questions. [...] LOG: MAIN = ha...@2xd.local.lan U=harry P=local S=569 $ delivering 1Xauru-0003TT-Fh R: smarthost for rea...@newsguy.com T: remote_smtp_smarthost for

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes: On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. Reading RFC 2821 would be even better, since RFC 821 is obsoleted by RFC 2821.

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1dv.local.lan

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the format is the same on all of mine. So still should stand as something to critique/ Debian's exim4 will

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Joe
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 19:18:33 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Sorry, I missed this thread originally. (I'm not sure if this output means it worked or it failed. I can tell you that nothing is showing up at the other end) Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Joe j...@jretrading.com writes: [...] (I'm not sure if this output means it worked or it failed. I can tell you that nothing is showing up at the other end) Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Did the Authentication work or fail? The message was transmitted and

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 19:56:08 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the format is the same on all of mine. So

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 14:45:44 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? And if so, is that

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the format is the same on all of mine. So still should stand as

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes: On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. Reading RFC 2821 would be even better,

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: lee l...@yagibdah.de writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. SMTP EHLO 2xd That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2821#section-4.1.1.1 It says to either use the fqdn or, if

[exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-05 Thread Harry Putnam
Setup: jessie 64 bit Freshly configured exim4 I'm quite new to exim4 although I've had it running on another Debian install for few months now. At any rate I'm not experienced enough to know how to find the source of a problem once I've gotten to the point where I'm attempting to send mail.