Re: Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[_ nenu]

On Tue 08 Sep 2020 at 14:29:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-09-08 03:45, nenu crok wrote:

> > i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 option to start new session. is 
> > word session correct ? by jumping using above option will log out from 
> > existing session.
> 
> That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:
> 
> https://www.linux.org/threads/virtual-terminals.4135/
> 
> Switching between virtual terminals does not log you out.
> 
> Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the
> ability to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.  One
> advantage over virtual terminals is that you can see multiple windows
> at the same time, and can copy-and-paste information between them.

> You should be able to copy-and-paste between virtual terminals (or
virtual consoles) too. Agreed, you can't see them both at the same
time, 

> and another disadvantage is that whenever you switch consoles,
the lines of output above the top of the screen can no longer be
reached by scrolling up.

thanks for heads up.

_ nenu

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[David Wright]

On Tue 08 Sep 2020 at 14:29:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-09-08 03:45, nenu crok wrote:

> > i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 option to start new session. is 
> > word session correct ? by jumping using above option will log out from 
> > existing session.
> 
> That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:
> 
> https://www.linux.org/threads/virtual-terminals.4135/
> 
> Switching between virtual terminals does not log you out.
> 
> Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the
> ability to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.  One
> advantage over virtual terminals is that you can see multiple windows
> at the same time, and can copy-and-paste information between them.

You should be able to copy-and-paste between virtual terminals (or
virtual consoles) too. Agreed, you can't see them both at the same
time, and another disadvantage is that whenever you switch consoles,
the lines of output above the top of the screen can no longer be
reached by scrolling up.

Cheers,
David.

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[nenu crok]

>  i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
> libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i 
> have overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only 
> metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested 
> about disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.

just now i found correct words: delta update - on android or express updates 
-on windows. do we have similar option ?

> you can purchase Debian DVDs and have them sent to you in the mail

where can i find more info about debian dvd contents.

> the important thing is to choose a mail storage format that supports that.

> Maildir is the most useful. Any program that supports Maildir should also 
> support multiple sessions.

i will check which package supports.

> By "seti', do you mean:
> https://seti.org/
> I do not understand how mail and SETI are related (?). Please clarify.

there is no relation between both of them. i dont want to miss my important 
emails while using or checking other work.

> You should only run two instances of any program if that program is designed 
> for concurrent operation. Otherwise, the two instances could both write to 
> the same file, losing or corrupting data.

thank you for heads up. i will prepare a list of packages and ask package 
coders about it or search package help manual.

> Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the ability 
> to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.

i am trying to avoid accidental closing or quitting package.

> That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:

i will do more research about "virtual terminals".

> I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is always 
> set: 2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~ # grep 'no-install-recommends' 
> .profile* .profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'

> You may wish to add this to your apt configuration file(s), /etc/apt/apt.conf 
> or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*, instead, like so: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; 
> That should apply to apt-get, (I believe) aptitude, and synaptic, as well as 
> apt, should you decide to use one of those.

i have added excellent suggestion to my must to-do list.

regards,
_ nenu

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[David Christensen]

On 2020-09-08 15:04, Charles Curley wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 13:48:03 -0700
David Christensen  wrote:


I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is
always set:

2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~
# grep 'no-install-recommends' .profile*
.profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'


You may wish to add this to your apt configuration
file(s), /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*, instead, like so:

APT::Install-Recommends "false";

That should apply to apt-get, (I believe) aptitude, and synaptic, as
well as apt, should you decide to use one of those.


Interesting possibility.  Thanks for the suggestion.  :-)


David

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[Charles Curley]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 13:48:03 -0700
David Christensen  wrote:

> I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is 
> always set:
> 
> 2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~
> # grep 'no-install-recommends' .profile*
> .profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'

You may wish to add this to your apt configuration
file(s), /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*, instead, like so:

APT::Install-Recommends "false";

That should apply to apt-get, (I believe) aptitude, and synaptic, as
well as apt, should you decide to use one of those.

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Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[David Christensen]

On 2020-09-08 03:45, nenu crok wrote:

hello debian users,


Hello.  :-)



after bit of research, i have decided to install debian. it is rock solid.

i have few queries. please be simple. english is not my native language.

i assumed kernel is most important for system security. do we have tweaked 
kernel packages. i dont mind a little of sluggishness or loss of performance.


Understand that Debian "stable" implies older kernels and software, 
which can be a double-edged sword with respect to "security".



i am privacy freak, hence not using android. 


I have not heard of privacy problems with the base Debian installation.


But, it is possible to have your privacy compromised on any platform by 
installing privacy-violating software, plug-in's, etc., and/or by using 
privacy-violating Internet services.




however, after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to 
download only small portion. i have overheard aboout similar option in our os 
debian. this is must, only metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i 
am specifically interested about disadvantages compared to full package or 
normal update or upgrade.


Consider purchasing a set of installation discs or an installation USB 
flash drive.



Study your package installation tool to see how you can control what 
packages get downloaded and why.  With sufficient effort, you should be 
able to limit downloads to only security patches.  (This could be as 
simple as only including security.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.list).



to me email is important. i have decided to contribute bit similar to seti. 


By "seti', do you mean:

https://seti.org/


I do not understand how mail and SETI are related (?).  Please clarify.


can i run mail in two terminals. 


You should only run two instances of any program if that program is 
designed for concurrent operation.  Otherwise, the two instances could 
both write to the same file, losing or corrupting data.




i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 option to start new session. is word 
session correct ? by jumping using above option will log out from existing 
session.


That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:

https://www.linux.org/threads/virtual-terminals.4135/

Switching between virtual terminals does not log you out.


Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the 
ability to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.  One 
advantage over virtual terminals is that you can see multiple windows at 
the same time, and can copy-and-paste information between them.



David

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[David Christensen]

On 2020-09-08 10:27, Marko Randjelovic wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:


i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i have 
overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only metered 
ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested about 
disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.


You can download only parts of libreoffice that you need, e.g.

apt install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc

Also, you can use --no-install-recommends option:

apt-get --no-install-recommends install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc


+1


I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is 
always set:


2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~
# grep 'no-install-recommends' .profile*
.profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'


David

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[Marko Randjelovic]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:

> i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
> libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i 
> have overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only 
> metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested 
> about disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.

You can download only parts of libreoffice that you need, e.g.

apt install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc

Also, you can use --no-install-recommends option:

apt-get --no-install-recommends install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc

Regards,
Marko

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[riveravaldez]

On 9/8/20, nenu crok  wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
> nenu crok  wrote:
>
>> after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to
>> download only small portion.
>
>> Consider other office software instead: ABIword, gnumeric, etc.

I always recommend AbiWord: it's not just much more small and
lightweight but also much more simple to use.

The same goes for GNUmeric.

Only thing I couldn't find still is an alternative to Impress...

Best luck.

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[nenu crok]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:

> after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to
> download only small portion.

> Consider other office software instead: ABIword, gnumeric, etc.

i will certainly consider your suggestion.

_ nenu

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[Charles Curley]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:

> after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to
> download only small portion.

Consider other office software instead: ABIword, gnumeric, etc.

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Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

[Dan Ritter]

nenu crok wrote: 
> i have few queries. please be simple. english is not my native language.

That's true for lots of people here. 

> i assumed kernel is most important for system security. do we have tweaked 
> kernel packages. i dont mind a little of sluggishness or loss of performance.

The kernel is updated regularly, and the debian-security team is
generally on top of things. You should subscribe to
debian-security-announce 

> i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
> libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i 
> have overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only 
> metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested 
> about disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.

Options:

LibreOffice is about 600MB if you don't choose all the language
packs and dictionaries. There are 179 component packages, but
you only need a few.

- you can download packages to a USB stick at a library or
  university or internet cafe, then take them home and install
  them.

- you can purchase Debian DVDs and have them sent to you in the
  mail


> to me email is important. i have decided to contribute bit similar to seti. 
> can i run mail in two terminals. i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 
> option to start new session. is word session correct ? by jumping using above 
> option will log out from existing session.

ctrl-alt-F1 through F6 are usually set up as independent virtual
terminals. Changing to one or another should not log you out of
the one you were in, but only offer you a chance to log in to a
new one.

If you want to run mail in 2 sessions at the same time, the
important thing is to choose a mail storage format that supports
that. Maildir is the most useful. Any program that supports
Maildir should also support multiple sessions.

-dsr-

query about kernel, download options, sessions

[nenu crok]

hello debian users,

after bit of research, i have decided to install debian. it is rock solid.

i have few queries. please be simple. english is not my native language.

i assumed kernel is most important for system security. do we have tweaked 
kernel packages. i dont mind a little of sluggishness or loss of performance.

i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i have 
overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only metered 
ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested about 
disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.

to me email is important. i have decided to contribute bit similar to seti. can 
i run mail in two terminals. i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 option to 
start new session. is word session correct ? by jumping using above option will 
log out from existing session.

regards,
nenu

Re: Question about kernel boot parameter

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 08 June 2018 16:18:36 Reco wrote:

>   Hi.
>
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2018 at 02:05:45PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 08 June 2018 10:44:32 Dejan Jocic wrote:
> > > On 08-06-18, stuv wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I'm using a debian derivate of linux and i'm searching for a way
> > > > to make permanent changes to the kernel boot parameters without
> > > > GRUB or any other boot loader, i want to disable ipv6
> > > > permanently, when i do it over /init.d/modprobe.d the changes
> > > > only last until the next reboot.
> > > >
> > > > best regards.
> > >
> > > man sysctl
> > > man sysctl.conf
> > > man sysctl.d
> > >
> > > and then read files /etc/sysctl.conf and files under
> > > /etc/sysctl.d/. Those should give you enough examples. For your
> > > example, line you need to add to some of those files, or even
> > > better new file under sysctl.d with descriptive name for what will
> > > be done in it:
> > >
> > > net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1
> >
> > This is informative, and I'll use it because my 12 machine home
> > network is all ipv4, but its for only one option. Doing "sysctl
> > -a|wc -l" gets me 829 such options to set.  So where can I find the
> > real, complete, list of options AND the effect of changing each one?
>
> procfs(5) contains abridged list of these kernel tunables. "ip
> netconf" will decypher you some more, mostly network related.
>
> The documentation for you current kernel is the ultimate source of
> such knowledge. For stock Debian kernels it resides in linux-doc*
> packages.
>
> But, on that rare occasion that the option isn't there - there are
> kernel sources. Your kernel won't use the tunable anyway unless it's
> in the source ;)
>
> Reco

Thanks Reco, I'll run that stuff down tomorrow and get it installed if I 
can. This is an ayufan build for arm64. If that means anything.


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Genes Web page 

Re: Question about kernel boot parameter

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, Jun 08, 2018 at 02:05:45PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 08 June 2018 10:44:32 Dejan Jocic wrote:
> 
> > On 08-06-18, stuv wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I'm using a debian derivate of linux and i'm searching for a way to
> > > make permanent changes to the kernel boot parameters without GRUB or
> > > any other boot loader, i want to disable ipv6 permanently, when i do
> > > it over /init.d/modprobe.d the changes only last until the next
> > > reboot.
> > >
> > > best regards.
> >
> > man sysctl
> > man sysctl.conf
> > man sysctl.d
> >
> > and then read files /etc/sysctl.conf and files under /etc/sysctl.d/.
> > Those should give you enough examples. For your example, line you need
> > to add to some of those files, or even better new file under sysctl.d
> > with descriptive name for what will be done in it:
> >
> > net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1
> 
> This is informative, and I'll use it because my 12 machine home network 
> is all ipv4, but its for only one option. Doing "sysctl -a|wc -l" gets 
> me 829 such options to set.  So where can I find the real, complete, 
> list of options AND the effect of changing each one?

procfs(5) contains abridged list of these kernel tunables. "ip netconf"
will decypher you some more, mostly network related.

The documentation for you current kernel is the ultimate source of such
knowledge. For stock Debian kernels it resides in linux-doc* packages.

But, on that rare occasion that the option isn't there - there are kernel
sources. Your kernel won't use the tunable anyway unless it's in the source ;)

Reco

Re: Question about kernel boot parameter

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 08 June 2018 10:44:32 Dejan Jocic wrote:

> On 08-06-18, stuv wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm using a debian derivate of linux and i'm searching for a way to
> > make permanent changes to the kernel boot parameters without GRUB or
> > any other boot loader, i want to disable ipv6 permanently, when i do
> > it over /init.d/modprobe.d the changes only last until the next
> > reboot.
> >
> > best regards.
>
> man sysctl
> man sysctl.conf
> man sysctl.d
>
> and then read files /etc/sysctl.conf and files under /etc/sysctl.d/.
> Those should give you enough examples. For your example, line you need
> to add to some of those files, or even better new file under sysctl.d
> with descriptive name for what will be done in it:
>
> net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1

This is informative, and I'll use it because my 12 machine home network 
is all ipv4, but its for only one option. Doing "sysctl -a|wc -l" gets 
me 829 such options to set.  So where can I find the real, complete, 
list of options AND the effect of changing each one?

googling around may accidentally get you this info for 2 or 3 such lines 
you can put in your /etc/sysctl.conf, but where is the full, wonderfully 
verbose list that explains them all?

Thank you.

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Re: Question about kernel boot parameter

[Celejar]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:14:39 +0200
stuv  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm using a debian derivate of linux and i'm searching for a way to
> make permanent changes to the kernel boot parameters without GRUB or
> any other boot loader, i want to disable ipv6 permanently, when i do it
> over /init.d/modprobe.d the changes only last until the next reboot.
> 
> best regards.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6

Celejar

Re: Question about kernel boot parameter

[Dejan Jocic]

On 08-06-18, stuv wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm using a debian derivate of linux and i'm searching for a way to
> make permanent changes to the kernel boot parameters without GRUB or
> any other boot loader, i want to disable ipv6 permanently, when i do it
> over /init.d/modprobe.d the changes only last until the next reboot.
> 
> best regards.
> 

man sysctl
man sysctl.conf
man sysctl.d

and then read files /etc/sysctl.conf and files under /etc/sysctl.d/.
Those should give you enough examples. For your example, line you need
to add to some of those files, or even better new file under sysctl.d
with descriptive name for what will be done in it:

net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1

Question about kernel boot parameter

[stuv]

Hi everyone,

I'm using a debian derivate of linux and i'm searching for a way to
make permanent changes to the kernel boot parameters without GRUB or
any other boot loader, i want to disable ipv6 permanently, when i do it
over /init.d/modprobe.d the changes only last until the next reboot.

best regards.

www.debian.org/security/ does not know about kernel update??

[Clive McBarton]

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Why does the current major update (kernel even!) not show up on
http://www.debian.org/security/ ? Nor does it show up in the list
Security Advisories from 2010 http://www.debian.org/security/2010/ . I
had to go to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2010/ to
find it. The one missing is DSA-1996. How can such an important update
not be mentioned on the security page, when the much smaller updates are
mentioned?
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Re: www.debian.org/security/ does not know about kernel update??

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-02-18 02:21 +0100, Clive McBarton wrote:

 Why does the current major update (kernel even!) not show up on
 http://www.debian.org/security/ ? Nor does it show up in the list
 Security Advisories from 2010 http://www.debian.org/security/2010/ . I
 had to go to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2010/ to
 find it. The one missing is DSA-1996. How can such an important update
 not be mentioned on the security page, when the much smaller updates are
 mentioned?

I think you should ask this question on debian-www or/and
debian-security.  FWIW, DSA-1975 is also missing on
http://www.debian.org/security/.

Sven


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Question about kernel compilation

[Miguel J. Jiménez]

Hi... I am testing self made kernels on my desktop, using the debian way 
found in http://www.howtoforge.com... My question is about the name 
given to the deb package generated... How can I change the string 
-10.00.Custom_i386 in the package name? I am running debian 
testing/lenny. Thanks a lot.


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Re: Question about kernel compilation

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello Miguel,

if you are using make-kpkg ,
you may try the option `--revision'

hth,
Jerome

Miguel J. Jiménez wrote:
Hi... I am testing self made kernels on my desktop, using the debian way 
found in http://www.howtoforge.com... My question is about the name 
given to the deb package generated... How can I change the string 
-10.00.Custom_i386 in the package name? I am running debian 
testing/lenny. Thanks a lot.




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Re: Question about kernel compilation

[mpiazza]

Hi,
You can use the option --revision in make-kpkg
(make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1.0 kernel_image)

or you can change the default in file /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to 1.0
so everytime you give make-kpkg the revision is always want you want.

Bye


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question about kernel source packages

[icelinux]

 I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of  
debian patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would  
one need to patch it with all of the included debian patches when  
building a custom kernel?


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Re: question about kernel source packages

[Mumia W..]

On 08/28/2007 12:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of 
debian patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would one 
need to patch it with all of the included debian patches when building a 
custom kernel?




It's already patched.




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Re: question about kernel source packages

[icelinux]

Quoting Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On 08/28/2007 12:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of   
debian patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would  
 one need to patch it with all of the included debian patches when   
building a custom kernel?




It's already patched.


Doublechecking, you are absolutely positive?


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Re: question about kernel source packages

[Celejar]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:15:08 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quoting Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  On 08/28/2007 12:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of   
  debian patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would  
   one need to patch it with all of the included debian patches when   
  building a custom kernel?
 
 
  It's already patched.
 
 Doublechecking, you are absolutely positive?

I believe he's correct.  From the description of
linux-patch-debian-2.6.22:

 Description: Debian patches to version 2.6.22 of the Linux kernel
  This package includes the patches used to produce the prepackaged
  linux-source-2.6.22 package, as well as architecture-specific patches. Note
  that these patches do NOT apply against a pristine Linux 2.6.22 kernel but 
 only
  against the kernel tarball linux-2.6_2.6.22.orig.tar.gz from the Debian
  archive.

So the prepackaged kernel source has already been patched.  The patch
has been applied against the mentioned Debian tarball.

All this is AFAICT.

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Re: question about kernel source packages

[Mumia W..]

On 08/28/2007 02:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On 08/28/2007 12:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of  
debian patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would 
 one need to patch it with all of the included debian patches when  
building a custom kernel?




It's already patched.


Doublechecking, you are absolutely positive?




Read the files README.Debian and Debian.src.changelog in the kernel 
source directory.


If those files exist, and if their contents suggest that the kernel has 
been patched (they do here), then the kernel source has already been 
patched.



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question about kernel source package

[icelinux]

 I notice there is a source package for the kernel and a package of debian
patches. Has the kernel source already been patched or would one need to
patch it with all of the included debian patches when building a custom
kernel?

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Frank McCormick]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:11:08 +0200
Marcus Blumhagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 First of all, please CC me when replying, since I am not subscribed to
 this list.
 
  [...]
  And as I rarely decompress files, I have forgotten the command to
  decompress tar/bz2 files . 
  [...]
 
 I just wanted to add my ¢2. You may want to evaluate the package named
 unp and you will never (almost) need to remember any command for
 decompressing archive files. Just type:
 
   unp archive
 
 and it automagically extracts it, no matter what kind of archive,
 provided you have the appropriate archiver program installed.
 


   Great little program. Thanks.


Cheers

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Marcus Blumhagen]

Hi,

First of all, please CC me when replying, since I am not subscribed to
this list.

 [...]
 And as I rarely decompress files, I have forgotten the command to
 decompress tar/bz2 files . 
 [...]

I just wanted to add my ¢2. You may want to evaluate the package named
unp and you will never (almost) need to remember any command for
decompressing archive files. Just type:

unp archive

and it automagically extracts it, no matter what kind of archive,
provided you have the appropriate archiver program installed.

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Orestes Leal]

El Mar, 14 de Agosto de 2007, 8:29 pm, Frank McCormick escribió:

 On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:28:41 -0400
 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Frank McCormick wrote:
   I downloaded and installed the source for the current kernel,
   which aptitude dumped into /usr/src.  Reading the readme, one of
   the first things it says is  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area
   because that is where the headers for libc I guess are stored.
   What is up here ?
 
  Well, I always store there all the sources related with my kernel,
  modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW, remember doing the
  symlink to /usr/src/linux from your kernel-source.

Well then why the warning from the Kernel developers? And what's
 this about symlinking? Symlinking what to what ?


Anybody? Where do people dump their kernel source anyway???


Well, the first person that says that the kernel sources
must NOT be in /usr/src was Linus, but I think that this only
affects things at 'build' time (like build the base system
for a distribution)  so it's the same put in /kernelsource
or /usr/src since the build symlink in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
points to the 'original' source code where the kernel was
compiled.

My kernels sources are in /kernelsource
and I don't have any problems.

Saludos.
-olr

Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Liam O'Toole]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:36:52 +0900
Takehiko Abe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frank McCormick wrote:
 
   Well, I always store there all the sources related with my
   kernel, modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW,
   remember doing the symlink to /usr/src/linux from your
   kernel-source.
  
   Well then why the warning from the Kernel developers? And what's
   this about symlinking? Symlinking what to what ?
 
 I don't know why. but the kernel package readme
 (/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz) also suggests not to build
 the kernel there. Also the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) says
 that source code may be placed under /usr/src only for reference
 purposes and should not be build within. Again I don't understand
 why exactly.

[...]

The idea is that /usr should be kept read-only. Some administrators
even mount /usr read-only on its own partition.

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Ed Jabbour]

On Tuesday 14 August 2007 21:27, Wayne Topa wrote:
 Anybody? Where do people dump their kernel source anyway???

 I have always put my kernels in /usr/src.  First time I've _ever_
 heard of  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area.  Just what readme did you
 see _that_ in?

From linux-source-2.6.18/README:

INSTALLING the kernel:

 - If you install the full sources, put the kernel tarball in a
   directory where you have permissions (eg. your home directory) and
   unpack it:

*   *   *   *
Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! This area has a (usually
   incomplete) set of kernel headers that are used by the library header
   files.  They should match the library, and not get messed up by
   whatever the kernel-du-jour happens to be.
===

Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Wayne Topa]

Ed Jabbour([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
 On Tuesday 14 August 2007 21:27, Wayne Topa wrote:
  Anybody? Where do people dump their kernel source anyway???
 
  I have always put my kernels in /usr/src.  First time I've _ever_
  heard of  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area.  Just what readme did you
  see _that_ in?
 
 From linux-source-2.6.18/README:
 
 INSTALLING the kernel:
 
  - If you install the full sources, put the kernel tarball in a
directory where you have permissions (eg. your home directory) and
unpack it:
 
   *   *   *   *
 Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! This area has a (usually
incomplete) set of kernel headers that are used by the library header
files.  They should match the library, and not get messed up by
whatever the kernel-du-jour happens to be.
 ===

Thanks Ed

I'm running 2.6.21-1-amd64 so had to go to another box to check.  Yes
I see that in the 2.6.18 source.  For what it's worth, there is no
such README in the 2.6.21-1-amd64 source dir, which is installed in
/usr/src, by aptitude.  Interesting.

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Frank McCormick]

 On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:28:41 -0400
 Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Frank McCormick wrote:
   I downloaded and installed the source for the current kernel,
   which aptitude dumped into /usr/src.  Reading the readme, one of
   the first things it says is  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area
   because that is where the headers for libc I guess are stored.
   What is up here ?
  
  Well, I always store there all the sources related with my kernel,
  modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW, remember doing the
  symlink to /usr/src/linux from your kernel-source.

Well then why the warning from the Kernel developers? And what's
 this about symlinking? Symlinking what to what ?


   Anybody? Where do people dump their kernel source anyway???

Cheers

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Wayne Topa]

Frank McCormick([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
 
  On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:28:41 -0400
  Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Frank McCormick wrote:
I downloaded and installed the source for the current kernel,
which aptitude dumped into /usr/src.  Reading the readme, one of
the first things it says is  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area
because that is where the headers for libc I guess are stored.
What is up here ?
   
   Well, I always store there all the sources related with my kernel,
   modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW, remember doing the
   symlink to /usr/src/linux from your kernel-source.
 
 Well then why the warning from the Kernel developers? And what's
  this about symlinking? Symlinking what to what ?
 
 
Anybody? Where do people dump their kernel source anyway???
 
I have always put my kernels in /usr/src.  First time I've _ever_
heard of  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area.  Just what readme did you
see _that_ in?

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Jeff D]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, Frank McCormick wrote:




On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:28:41 -0400
Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Frank McCormick wrote:

I downloaded and installed the source for the current kernel,
which aptitude dumped into /usr/src.  Reading the readme, one of
the first things it says is  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area
because that is where the headers for libc I guess are stored.
What is up here ?


Well, I always store there all the sources related with my kernel,
modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW, remember doing the
symlink to /usr/src/linux from your kernel-source.


   Well then why the warning from the Kernel developers? And what's
this about symlinking? Symlinking what to what ?



  Anybody? Where do people dump their kernel source anyway???

Cheers

Frank



When I compile my own kernels, I usually put them in /usr/local/src/ , 
then make a symlink from linux-version to kernel. That way, when a new 
kernel comes out i just remove the symlink from the old to the new. I find 
it's easier to do it that way when I have to recompile modules, that way 
I always point the config to /usr/local/src/kernel .  I leave /usr/src 
out, because thats where the debian kernel source files will go if I need 
to download them and I dont want things to get confused.






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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Takehiko Abe]

Frank McCormick wrote:

 Well, I always store there all the sources related with my kernel,
 modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW, remember doing
 the symlink to /usr/src/linux from your kernel-source.

 Well then why the warning from the Kernel developers? And what's
 this about symlinking? Symlinking what to what ?

I don't know why. but the kernel package readme
(/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz) also suggests not to build
the kernel there. Also the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) says
that source code may be placed under /usr/src only for reference
purposes and should not be build within. Again I don't understand
why exactly.

If you can use make-kpkg, I think following the instruction detailed
in the kernel-package readme is an easy path.

I never used that symlink (what is that?).

Anybody? Where do people dump their kernel source anyway???

I use /usr/local/src/kernel.


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Confused about kernel source location

[Frank McCormick]

I have taken the first steps towards compiling an Nvidia module for my
Quadro-pro card...
I downloaded and installed the source for the current kernel, which
aptitude dumped into /usr/src.  Reading the readme, one of the first
things it says is  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area because that is
where the headers for libc I guess are stored. What is up here ? And as
I rarely decompress files, I have forgotten the command to decompress
tar/bz2 files . 

Thanks

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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Jose Luis Rivas Contreras]

Frank McCormick wrote:
 
 
 I have taken the first steps towards compiling an Nvidia module for my
 Quadro-pro card...
 I downloaded and installed the source for the current kernel, which
 aptitude dumped into /usr/src.  Reading the readme, one of the first
 things it says is  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area because that is
 where the headers for libc I guess are stored. What is up here ?

Well, I always store there all the sources related with my kernel,
modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW, remember doing the
symlink to /usr/src/linux from your kernel-source.
 And as
 I rarely decompress files, I have forgotten the command to decompress
 tar/bz2 files . 

That's why man exists :) `man tar', and even more simple!:
`tar --help'...

Anyway

tar -jxf linux-2.6.x.x.tar.bz2

Regards,
Jose Luis.
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Re: Confused about kernel source location

[Frank McCormick]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:28:41 -0400
Jose Luis Rivas Contreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frank McCormick wrote:
  
  
  I have taken the first steps towards compiling an Nvidia module for
  my Quadro-pro card...
  I downloaded and installed the source for the current kernel, which
  aptitude dumped into /usr/src.  Reading the readme, one of the first
  things it says is  DO NOT USE THE /usr/src area because that is
  where the headers for libc I guess are stored. What is up here ?
 
 Well, I always store there all the sources related with my kernel,
 modules, etc... I haven't get any problem... BTW, remember doing the
 symlink to /usr/src/linux from your kernel-source.
   
   Well then why the warning from the Kernel developers? And what's
this about symlinking? Symlinking what to what ?


  And as
  I rarely decompress files, I have forgotten the command to
  decompress tar/bz2 files . 
 
 That's why man exists :) `man tar', and even more simple!:
 `tar --help'...
 
 Anyway
 
 tar -jxf linux-2.6.x.x.tar.bz2
 

   Thanks for that. I should have RTFM !


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Questions about kernel configuration

[Celejar]

Hi,

A couple of kernel configuration options about which I can't find
sufficient documentation:

Device drivers/Real time clock - How can I determine which modules I
need and which chipset I have? My current kernel is only loading 'rtc';
I see the various modules have names like 'rtc-v3020'.

Device drivers/Misc devices and MMC/SD Card support - my Acer laptop an
ENE integrated card reader. From lspci:

 06:04.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB-712/4 Cardbus Controller (rev 
 10)
 06:04.1 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI Memory Stick Card Reader 
 Controller (rev 01)
 06:04.2 Generic system peripheral [0805]: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI Secure 
 Digital Card Reader Controller (rev 01)
 06:04.3 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc: 
 (rev 01)
 06:04.4 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc Unknown device 0551 (rev 01)

The PCMCIA slot works fine, but I can't get the flash card reader to
work. Is there kernel support for it? This (Ubuntu) thread suggests
that there's some support for it in 2.6.20. Does anyone have any
experience with it?

More when I get a chance.

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Hi, About Kernel 2.6.6 with NPTL on Debian.

[NetSnake]

Hi, all
I compile kernel-source 2.6.6 on Debian, but it seems non NPTL support.
I compile kernel-source-2.6.6, glibc6 2.3.2-ds1-16, glibc-i686
2.3.2-ds1-16 glibc6-dev-2.3.2-ds1-16
On a machine the NPTL works fine!
But on another machine, the same kernel(I tried same kernel config and
same binary kernel iamge) and libc, the NPTL NOT work!
I can not find any diff between two machine!
How can I make sure one system already support NPTL? 3ks!
I use j2sdk 1.4.2, run rmiregistry to test this feature, one machine
have 1 process and 8 threads, one machine have 8 process.
I also use OpenLDAP compiled with thread support, have some issue on
these two machine.
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Re: Hi, About Kernel 2.6.6 with NPTL on Debian.

[Andrea Vettorello]

On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:32:22 +0800, NetSnake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, all
  I compile kernel-source 2.6.6 on Debian, but it seems non NPTL support.
  I compile kernel-source-2.6.6, glibc6 2.3.2-ds1-16, glibc-i686 2.3.2-ds1-16
 glibc6-dev-2.3.2-ds1-16
  On a machine the NPTL works fine!
  But on another machine, the same kernel(I tried same kernel config and same
 binary kernel iamge) and libc, the NPTL NOT work!
  I can not find any diff between two machine!
  How can I make sure one system already support NPTL? 3ks!
  I use j2sdk 1.4.2, run rmiregistry to test this feature, one machine have 1
 process and 8 threads, one machine have 8 process.
  I also use OpenLDAP compiled with thread support, have some issue on these
 two machine.
  Any suggestion?

Try look to the libc6-i686 package, IIRC to use NPTL you need
support on your libc6 (someone correct me)...


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question about kernel 2.6

[j smith]

i have Debian 2.6, Bt878-based TV card. i downloaded
kernel 2.6 from kernel.org, and compile it. when i
execute make module_install, it complains. needless
to say, when i use the new kernel, it can't find bttv
driver. attached is .config, what's wrong?



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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Pim Bliek]

First of all, you shouldn't be compiling kernels from source from
kernel.org unless you have a special reason for it and you what you
are doing.

Instead, you should be installing / compiling new kernels the Debian
way, which is slightly different, but is quite cool once you get the
hang of it :).

See chapter 9.6.1 on this page:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-post-install.en.html on
how to accomplish this.

About the error you are getting:

- did you type make module_install? I think it should be
modules_install. Also, I can remember this is different in 2.6. Look
at the readme that comes with the kernel-source .deb (see the above
manual on how to get the deb)

- bttv cards should be no problem. Works fine here with my Hauppauge WinTV PCI.

Good luck compiling your kernel the Debain way ;)

Pim


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 kernel 2.6 from kernel.org, and compile it. when i
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 to say, when i use the new kernel, it can't find bttv
 driver. attached is .config, what's wrong?
 
 
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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[j smith]

thanks!

i read the Debian book, but it explicitly says:

Note that you don't have to compile your kernel the
``Debian way''; but we find that using the packaging
system to manage your kernel is actually safer and
easier.

so i choose non-debian way. the correct command is
make modules_install, it warns me that you may need
to install modules_init_tools and complains
unresolved symbols

could you offer some suggestion?




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 First of all, you shouldn't be compiling kernels
 from source from
 kernel.org unless you have a special reason for it
 and you what you
 are doing.
 
 Instead, you should be installing / compiling new
 kernels the Debian
 way, which is slightly different, but is quite cool
 once you get the
 hang of it :).
 
 See chapter 9.6.1 on this page:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-post-install.en.html
 on
 how to accomplish this.
 
 About the error you are getting:
 
 - did you type make module_install? I think it
 should be
 modules_install. Also, I can remember this is
 different in 2.6. Look
 at the readme that comes with the kernel-source .deb
 (see the above
 manual on how to get the deb)
 
 - bttv cards should be no problem. Works fine here
 with my Hauppauge WinTV PCI.
 
 Good luck compiling your kernel the Debain way ;)
 
 Pim
 
 
 On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 01:27:54 -0700 (PDT), j smith
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i have Debian 2.6, Bt878-based TV card. i
 downloaded
  kernel 2.6 from kernel.org, and compile it. when i
  execute make module_install, it complains.
 needless
  to say, when i use the new kernel, it can't find
 bttv
  driver. attached is .config, what's wrong?
  
  
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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Pim Bliek]

Hi,

 i read the Debian book, but it explicitly says:
 
 Note that you don't have to compile your kernel the
 ``Debian way''; but we find that using the packaging
 system to manage your kernel is actually safer and
 easier.
 
 so i choose non-debian way. the correct command is

Just out of curiousity, but *why* did you choose the non-Debian way?

Pim


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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[j smith]

i find it easier.

have you followed instruction in the Debian handbook
and installed kernel 2.6 and successfully run xawtv?
if so, i will have to try debian way, which i find 
harder.


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  i read the Debian book, but it explicitly says:
  
  Note that you don't have to compile your kernel
 the
  ``Debian way''; but we find that using the
 packaging
  system to manage your kernel is actually safer and
  easier.
  
  so i choose non-debian way. the correct command is
 
 Just out of curiousity, but *why* did you choose the
 non-Debian way?
 
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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Pim Bliek]

It is maybe harder in the beginning, but once you get used to it is
really easier in my opinion. Why? Because you can easily go back to
previously built kernels; you still have the .debs in /usr/src, so it
makes it rather flexible.

And yes, I've got xawtv running using 2.6.5 if I am correct (I am not
at home right now so I cannot check to make 100% sure). Just compiled
it in, no big problems. I have a Hauppauge WinTV PCI (bt848).

Good luck!

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 04:07:24 -0700 (PDT), j smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i find it easier.
 
 have you followed instruction in the Debian handbook
 and installed kernel 2.6 and successfully run xawtv?
 if so, i will have to try debian way, which i find
 harder.
 
 
 
 
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  Hi,
 
   i read the Debian book, but it explicitly says:
  
   Note that you don't have to compile your kernel
  the
   ``Debian way''; but we find that using the
  packaging
   system to manage your kernel is actually safer and
   easier.
  
   so i choose non-debian way. the correct command is
 
  Just out of curiousity, but *why* did you choose the
  non-Debian way?
 
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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Russ Pitman]

j smith wrote:
 thanks!
 
 i read the Debian book, but it explicitly says:
 
 Note that you don't have to compile your kernel the
 ``Debian way''; but we find that using the packaging
 system to manage your kernel is actually safer and
 easier.
 
 so i choose non-debian way. the correct command is
 make modules_install, it warns me that you may need
 to install modules_init_tools and complains
 unresolved symbols
 
 could you offer some suggestion?
 


Using either way if the method is applied correctly the compile should be ok
provided you have installed all the required software.
 In your case you appear to not have installed 'module_init_tools'. This is
esential for 2.6.x series of kernels .

Apt-get install module_init-tools should fix the error msg and hopefully the
problem. 

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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Damon L. Chesser]

j smith wrote:
thanks!
i read the Debian book, but it explicitly says:
Note that you don't have to compile your kernel the
``Debian way''; but we find that using the packaging
system to manage your kernel is actually safer and
easier.
so i choose non-debian way. the correct command is
make modules_install, it warns me that you may need
to install modules_init_tools and complains
unresolved symbols
could you offer some suggestion?
J Smith,
see:  http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm .  Even if you do not 
want to do it the debian way, it lists requirements for running and 
compiling a 2.6.x kernel.  Also see /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/readme 
for a simple, no nonsense list of requirements and steps for doing the 
kernel the debian way.  It is easier.  Make sure you have kernel-package 
 installed.  1. run make menuconfig, config, xconfig, or gconfig (I 
prefer menuconfig as you don't need X to run it.  Handy if you don't 
have x and have a bad kernel.
2. run make-kpkg clean 3. run make-kpkg kernel_image 4. run dpkg -i 
kernelname.deb.

That's it.  It will make, make modules, install them, make an image, 
install it, configure your boot loader, update your package system so 
your system knows what kernel you have.  If you use synaptic, you can 
see your kernel listed in the packages and you can remove it if you 
want.  You can also transport the kernel to a new machine if the 
components are close if not identical.  HTH


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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Bill Moseley]

On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 01:20:06PM +0200, Pim Bliek wrote:
 It is maybe harder in the beginning, but once you get used to it is
 really easier in my opinion. Why? Because you can easily go back to
 previously built kernels; you still have the .debs in /usr/src, so it
 makes it rather flexible.

Here's my kernel building complaint:

What I don't like about the Debian way (although that's all I use) is
that it is slow.  If I make one small change in my kernel config or
patch some bit of kernel code then I need to rebuild the entire
kernel.  Like other software, I'd like to be able to just modify some
file and run make and make install and have it smart enough to only
rebuild what's needed (a bit tough if I modify a kernel config) -- but
that would be my wish.

I had a similar situation with the OP trying to get some hardware
working and I spent a good part of a day waiting for the kernel to
recompile over and over.

But, once I get the kernel figured out it's nice to have that .deb
built.

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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Roberto Sanchez]

Bill Moseley wrote:
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 01:20:06PM +0200, Pim Bliek wrote:
It is maybe harder in the beginning, but once you get used to it is
really easier in my opinion. Why? Because you can easily go back to
previously built kernels; you still have the .debs in /usr/src, so it
makes it rather flexible.

Here's my kernel building complaint:
What I don't like about the Debian way (although that's all I use) is
that it is slow.  If I make one small change in my kernel config or
patch some bit of kernel code then I need to rebuild the entire
kernel.  Like other software, I'd like to be able to just modify some
file and run make and make install and have it smart enough to only
rebuild what's needed (a bit tough if I modify a kernel config) -- but
that would be my wish.
I had a similar situation with the OP trying to get some hardware
working and I spent a good part of a day waiting for the kernel to
recompile over and over.
But, once I get the kernel figured out it's nice to have that .deb
built.
Add
do_clean := NO
to your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf
Then, it won't clean the tree prior to starting a make.  Now you can do
it the Debian way and not worry about wasting too much time.
-Roberto Sanchez


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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Bill Moseley]

On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 01:04:13PM -0400, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
 do_clean := NO
 
 to your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf
 
 Then, it won't clean the tree prior to starting a make.  Now you can do
 it the Debian way and not worry about wasting too much time.

Well, that will be a huge help!  I suspect I need to use the same
build line, that is I need to build the exact same version so
make-kpkg doesn't complain about version mismatch in the changes file.

What happens with .config changes?  Do I need to make clean then, or
is it smart enough to force a rebuild?  It would be cool if it knew
what needs to be recompiled based on what changes in .config

Thanks,.


 
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Re: question about kernel 2.6

[Roberto Sanchez]

Bill Moseley wrote:
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 01:04:13PM -0400, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
do_clean := NO
to your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf
Then, it won't clean the tree prior to starting a make.  Now you can do
it the Debian way and not worry about wasting too much time.

Well, that will be a huge help!  I suspect I need to use the same
build line, that is I need to build the exact same version so
make-kpkg doesn't complain about version mismatch in the changes file.
That is probably correct.  I am not a kernel-package guru, though.
You may want to email the kernel-package team about that.
What happens with .config changes?  Do I need to make clean then, or
is it smart enough to force a rebuild?  It would be cool if it knew
what needs to be recompiled based on what changes in .config
TTBOMK, .config is treated just like any other source file.  Again,
the kernel-package team may be a better source of info on that.
Thanks,.
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Re: How do I get a warm fuzzy feeling about kernel upgrade?

[Kevin Buhr]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
 I have reaffirmed that I'm clueless this morning.  I found this security
 bulletin:
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2003/msg00212.html
 
 this morning.  This worried me since I just installed debian last week on
 a server directly connected to the internet.  I'm confused because it says
 in the text that the update is version 2.4.18-14 of the i386 kernel   
 images but in the list of upgraded packages all of them seem to have just  
 a -12

The security bulletin was in error.  The updated kernel *source*
package version was -14; the i386 kernel image packages were -12.

If you look at your:

/usr/share/doc/kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7/changelog.gz

you'll see:

. Added TASK_SIZE check to do_brk in mm/mmap.c

at the top.  That's the fix.

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How do I get a warm fuzzy feeling about kernel upgrade?

[jse]

 
I have reaffirmed that I'm clueless this morning.  I found this security
bulletin:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2003/msg00212.html

this morning.  This worried me since I just installed debian last week on
a server directly connected to the internet.  I'm confused because it says
in the text that the update is version 2.4.18-14 of the i386 kernel   
images but in the list of upgraded packages all of them seem to have just  
a -12, for example:
http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.18-1-i386/kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7_2.4.18-12_i386.deb
  
This completely confused me.  I ran the apt-get update; apt-get upgrade  
but all it update was rsync.  The highest packages listed in dselect are  
2.4.18-12.  
  
So I looked back through the e-mails from earlier this week to see if I  
could find some more information and found an e-mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
(Bob Proulx) that said:  
  
 The installer bootstraps the system with a bootstrapping kernel which  
 is not installed with the package manager.  You need a system running  
 before you can run applications like the package manager.  And you  
 need the package manager before you can install packages.  A chicken  
 or the egg problem.  So the initial kernel is not known by the package  
 manager.  
  
 This means that the initial kernel will never be offered to users as  
 an upgrade even if security updates exist for it such as the 2.4.18  
 kernel.  APT does not know it is there.  The fact that the initial  
 installer leaves the system without a kernel installed by the package  
 manager is a disservice.  It would be better if the initial installer  
 installed the same kernel again overwriting the bootstrapping kernel  
 using the package manager so that it is now known and updates would be  
 offered and it could then also be removed in the future.  
  
Now I feel really stupid!  I've been installing debian for several years  
and I had no idea that the kernel was never getting updated.  I have  
installed the 2.4.18-12 kernel now, but I have no idea of this is correct.   
I did a strings on the new vzimage and found 2.4.18-1-k7 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) #3 Sat Nov 29 10:23:13 EST 2003 which is strange 
because the date on the file itself is Nov 28 16:42.  Is there a 2.4.18-14 
kernel that I need?  If so what do I have to do to install it?   
  
Are there md5sums somewhere of the vzimages that I could check to verify 
that I have the correct kernel running? 
 
Thanks 
  -Scott 
 
  
  


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security updates. What about Kernel patches

[Vincent Dupont]

Hi,

I'm staring with Debian and find the security updates very usefull with
apt-get
It's very comfortable to keep one's packages up to date
But what happens when a package update concerns the Kernel? Should the
kernel be re-compiled or not?? is it automatically re-compiled?

Vincent


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Re: security updates. What about Kernel patches

[Greg Bolshaw]

The kernel doesn't get upgraded with an `apt-get upgrade`, it must be 
done manually:

`apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18` (or whichever version you want). 
Pick one, and `apt-get install` it. The lilo entry for the current 
kernel will be renamed LinuxOLD, and a Linux entry created for the 
new kernel. The new kernel will be set as the default.

Greg

Vincent Dupont wrote:

Hi,

I'm staring with Debian and find the security updates very usefull with
apt-get
It's very comfortable to keep one's packages up to date
But what happens when a package update concerns the Kernel? Should the
kernel be re-compiled or not?? is it automatically re-compiled?
Vincent

 



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Re: security updates. What about Kernel patches

[Rob Weir]

[Please don't top quote!  It makes your message harder to read,
especially in long threads.]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:03:47PM +0100, Greg Bolshaw wrote:
 
 Vincent Dupont wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm staring with Debian and find the security updates very usefull with
 apt-get
 It's very comfortable to keep one's packages up to date
 But what happens when a package update concerns the Kernel? Should the
 kernel be re-compiled or not?? is it automatically re-compiled?

 The kernel doesn't get upgraded with an `apt-get upgrade`, it must be 
 done manually:

Of course, you'll know about this immediately when you get a mail from
the debian-security-announce list which you've already subscibed to from
http://lists.debian.org/, right? :-)

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Re: Question about kernel upgrade

[Joachim Smit]

Hi !

I marked the Realtek 8139 and the VIA Rhine in menuconfig and everything
works fine now.

eth0 became eth1 and vice versa but that's not a problem.

Thank you all.

Joachim


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Question about kernel upgrade

[Joachim Smit]

I'm a newbie with Debian.

I've upgraded my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18. 

After a reboot I was running the new kernel indeed, but my eth0 was gone. 


What did I do wrong ?

Thanks in advance.

Joachim Smit

Re: Question about kernel upgrade

[Esben Laursen]

- Original Message - 
From: Joachim Smit 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: Question about kernel upgrade


I'm a newbie with Debian.

I've upgraded my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18. 

After a reboot I was running the new kernel indeed, but my eth0 was gone. 

What did I do wrong ?

Thanks in advance.

Joachim Smit

have you loaded the module for the NIC in modconf ??

Regards

Esben


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Fw: Question about kernel upgrade

[Joachim Smit]

 
 I'm a newbie with Debian.
 
 I've upgraded my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18.
 
 After a reboot I was running the new kernel indeed, but my eth0 was gone.
 
 What did I do wrong ?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Joachim Smit

 have you loaded the module for the NIC in modconf ??



In modconf the only NIC I see is Dummy - dummy net interface card.

But when I look in /etc/network/interfaces my eth0 is still there

What should I do ?

Regards,

Joachim Smit





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Re: Question about kernel upgrade

[Esben Laursen]

- Original Message - 
From: Joachim Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Debian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: Fw: Question about kernel upgrade


  
  I'm a newbie with Debian.
  
  I've upgraded my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18.
  
  After a reboot I was running the new kernel indeed, but my eth0 was gone.
  
  What did I do wrong ?
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
  Joachim Smit
 
  have you loaded the module for the NIC in modconf ??
 
 
 
 In modconf the only NIC I see is Dummy - dummy net interface card.
 
 But when I look in /etc/network/interfaces my eth0 is still there
 
 What should I do ?
 
 Regards,
 
 Joachim Smit
 


did u make a make modules  make modules install ???

Regards

Esben




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Re: Question about kernel upgrade

[Joachim Smit]

 did u make a make modules  make modules install ???


This is what I did: (according to documentation from www.debian.org)

login root
apt-get install gcc kernel-package kernel-source-2.4.18 libc6-dev tk8.3
libncurses5-dev fakeroot
adduser joachim src
logout
login joachim
cd /usr/src
tar -jxf kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz2
ln -s kernel-source-2.4.18 linux
cd linux
make menuconfig
fakeroot make-kpkg clean
fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.new1 kernel_image
logout
login root
dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.18.new1_10.00.Custom_i386.deb
echo kernel-image-2.4.18.new1 hold | dpkg --set-selections
dpkg --get-selections | grep kernel-image

In 'make menuconfig' I only added anything what has to do with iptables, the
reason I had to upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4

Regards,

Joachim Smit




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Re: Question about kernel upgrade

[Kevin McKinley]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:13:55 +0200
Joachim Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is what I did: (according to documentation from www.debian.org)

Try this:

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

In the kernel configuration, you need to include support for both your
onboard controller and your PCI card.

There is a separate section for 3Com cards. If your card is not 3Com,
don't check anything in that section.

Once you have installed the kernel deb and booted with it, you'll need to
run modconf to select the modules you want to install. Add the module
names to /etc/modules if you want them to load automatically during startup.

Kevin


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Re: Philosophic question about kernel 2.2.20 - is it too old (solved)

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Rob Weir wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 05:50:38AM +0100, Oliver Fuchs wrote:
  Hi,
  this is more in the abstract question.
  I use a kernel 2.2.20 (compiled by myself, based on the debian woody
  source package: kernel-source-2.2.20).
  It works perfectly on my laptop.
  Is there any need to update the kernel in terms of security,
  performance ... ?
 
 If it works for you, then why update?  The latter releases of 2.2
 are/were very solid, and performed very well.  2.4 has still not caught
 up in some cases.

Yes, that is the same conclusion I have come to.

 That said, I think there might be a local DOS attack possible in your
 kernel.  The latest 2.2 (2.2.23?) fixes this though, so you could just
 upgrade to that if you decide you really care.
 
 -rob

I will have a look.

Thanx for your help.

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Re: Philosophic question about kernel 2.2.20 - is it to old

[Edward Guldemond]

On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 05:50:38AM +0100, Oliver Fuchs wrote:
 Hi,
 this is more in the abstract question.
 I use a kernel 2.2.20 (compiled by myself, based on the debian woody
 source package: kernel-source-2.2.20).
 It works perfectly on my laptop.
 Is there any need to update the kernel in terms of security,
 performance ... ?

The latest in the 2.2 series is 2.2.23 from kernel.org.  I would
probably upgrade to that, but check the changelog first and see if
there is any benefit.  I believe a few things were fixed.

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Re: Philosophic question about kernel 2.2.20 - is it to old

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 05:50:38AM +0100, Oliver Fuchs wrote:
 Hi,
 this is more in the abstract question.
 I use a kernel 2.2.20 (compiled by myself, based on the debian woody
 source package: kernel-source-2.2.20).
 It works perfectly on my laptop.
 Is there any need to update the kernel in terms of security,
 performance ... ?

If it works for you, then why update?  The latter releases of 2.2
are/were very solid, and performed very well.  2.4 has still not caught
up in some cases.

That said, I think there might be a local DOS attack possible in your
kernel.  The latest 2.2 (2.2.23?) fixes this though, so you could just
upgrade to that if you decide you really care.

-rob



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Philosophic question about kernel 2.2.20 - is it to old

[Oliver Fuchs]

Hi,
this is more in the abstract question.
I use a kernel 2.2.20 (compiled by myself, based on the debian woody
source package: kernel-source-2.2.20).
It works perfectly on my laptop.
Is there any need to update the kernel in terms of security,
performance ... ?

Oliver
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Question about kernel naming scheme

[Ron Johnson]

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  kernel-image-2.4.17-586tsc

What does the tsc stand for?

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Re: Question about kernel naming scheme

[Sander Smeenk]

Quoting Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

   kernel-image-2.4.17-586tsc
 What does the tsc stand for?

I don't know for sure wat 'tsc' stands for, but additional version
information tells you what options are compiled in the kernel or what 
patches are used to create the kernel. Like this:

2.4.17-smp-ext3-grsecurity

Tells you the kernel is a SMP (Dual Processor) kernel, with ext3 patches
and the grsecurity patch.

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[Ron Johnson]

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On Friday 11 January 2002 01:13 pm, Sander Smeenk wrote:
 Quoting Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
kernel-image-2.4.17-586tsc
  What does the tsc stand for?

 I don't know for sure wat 'tsc' stands for, but additional version
 information tells you what options are compiled in the kernel or what
 patches are used to create the kernel. Like this:

 2.4.17-smp-ext3-grsecurity

 Tells you the kernel is a SMP (Dual Processor) kernel, with ext3 patches
 and the grsecurity patch.

So...  anyone know what tsc means?

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Re: Question about kernel naming scheme

[Mark Ferlatte]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:26:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote (1.00):
 So...  anyone know what tsc means?

Time Stamp Counter.  An instruction was added in the Intel Pentium line
called RDTSC, which you can use for high resolution timing, performance
monitoring, etc.

From what I can tell, if you have a 586 class CPU that supports the
RDTSC instruction, you're better off with the tsc kernel, otherwise
you'll be fine without it.  From reading the kernel's Configure.help,
however, it looks like if you have a Pentium Classic, Pentium MMX, AMD
K5, K6, K6-3d, or Cyrix III you have this instruction.

M

Re: Question about kernel naming scheme

[Ron Johnson]

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On Friday 11 January 2002 01:44 pm, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:26:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote (1.00):
  So...  anyone know what tsc means?

 Time Stamp Counter.  An instruction was added in the Intel Pentium line
 called RDTSC, which you can use for high resolution timing, performance
 monitoring, etc.

 From what I can tell, if you have a 586 class CPU that supports the
 RDTSC instruction, you're better off with the tsc kernel, otherwise
 you'll be fine without it.  From reading the kernel's Configure.help,
 however, it looks like if you have a Pentium Classic, Pentium MMX, AMD
 K5, K6, K6-3d, or Cyrix III you have this instruction.

Ah.  Thanks.  This old dog is a Cyrix II, so I'd better use the
plain old -386 image.  You'd think that there would be a plain
old -586 image.  Oh, well.  That's what kernel-package is for...

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OT [was:Re: Question about kernel naming scheme]

[Nathan E Norman]

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Dr. Dean Edell (an extremely annoying person IMO).

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Re: OT [was:Re: Question about kernel naming scheme]

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 Dr. Dean Edell (an extremely annoying person IMO).

Yeah, but it's a great quote.

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About kernel configuration

[Bambang Purnomosidi D. P.]

Hi,

Is there any way to know that, for examples, my kernel-images have quota 
support enabled? In this case, consider I am using kernel-images from .deb, 
not compile it myself. Of course many configuration I need to know beside 
quota support.

TIA

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Re: About kernel configuration

[Daniel Freedman]

On Mon, Dec 03, 2001, Bambang Purnomosidi D. P. wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there any way to know that, for examples, my kernel-images have quota 
 support enabled? In this case, consider I am using kernel-images from .deb, 
 not compile it myself. Of course many configuration I need to know beside 
 quota support.

Hi,

Try:

grep CONFIG_QUOTA /boot/config-2.x.y

where, e.g., x=4,y=9, etc. (specify your installed kernel)

HTH,

Daniel


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Re: About kernel configuration

[Bambang Purnomosidi D. P.]

Hi,

On Monday 03 December 2001 2:02 pm, Daniel Freedman wrote:
  Is there any way to know that, for examples, my kernel-images have quota
  support enabled? In this case, consider I am using kernel-images from
  .deb, not compile it myself. Of course many configuration I need to know
  beside quota support.

 Hi,

 Try:

 grep CONFIG_QUOTA /boot/config-2.x.y

 where, e.g., x=4,y=9, etc. (specify your installed kernel)

Yep. It works for me. Thanks.

But, what I mean is, let say I lost my /boot/config-2.x.y file, how do I know 
what kernel configuration exists?


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   Is there any way to know that, for examples, my
 kernel-images have quota
   support enabled? In this case, consider I am
 using kernel-images from
   .deb, not compile it myself. Of course many
 configuration I need to know
   beside quota support.
 
  Hi,
 
  Try:
 
  grep CONFIG_QUOTA /boot/config-2.x.y
 
  where, e.g., x=4,y=9, etc. (specify your installed
 kernel)
 
 Yep. It works for me. Thanks.
 
 But, what I mean is, let say I lost my
 /boot/config-2.x.y file, how do I know 
 what kernel configuration exists?
 
 
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Re: Which CDs to buy? (Did apt-get, nervous about kernel compile)

[Peter Christensen]

Thanks, everyone.  I've printed out all the replies and will try
compiling the kernel.

Peter

Which CDs to buy? (Did apt-get, nervous about kernel compile)

[Peter Christensen]

I'm still learning Debian-Linux, was so pleased that apt-get worked.  It
took 12 hours (!), but afterward Mozilla was finally working, so now I
have internet access.

After the apt-get dist-upgrade I got a message saying that I must
upgrade the kernel.  Current is 2.0.36, need at least 2.2.12.

Compiling the kernel looks like it will be tough for a beginner.  (I
checked out some of the instructions on the Debian website.)  

So here's my question:  I'm sure I'll make a mistake if I compile the
kernel, so I want to have a fresh set of Debian CDs.  According to the
Debian website Cheapbytes sells a vendor release and a custom
release.  Linux-CD.com sells the official release.  Does it make a
difference which I buy?  (Both sell the 2.2r3 release.)

Thanks,
Peter

Re: Which CDs to buy? (Did apt-get, nervous about kernel compile)

[Oleksandr Moskalenko]

* Peter Christensen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 I'm still learning Debian-Linux, was so pleased that apt-get worked.  It
 took 12 hours (!), but afterward Mozilla was finally working, so now I
 have internet access.
 
 After the apt-get dist-upgrade I got a message saying that I must
 upgrade the kernel.  Current is 2.0.36, need at least 2.2.12.
 
 Compiling the kernel looks like it will be tough for a beginner.  (I
 checked out some of the instructions on the Debian website.)  
 
 So here's my question:  I'm sure I'll make a mistake if I compile the
 kernel, so I want to have a fresh set of Debian CDs.  According to the
 Debian website Cheapbytes sells a vendor release and a custom
 release.  Linux-CD.com sells the official release.  Does it make a
 difference which I buy?  (Both sell the 2.2r3 release.)
 
 Thanks,
 Peter

  Peter,

 Why are you afraid of making a mistake while compiling a new kernel? 
Download Linus' kernel source from kernel.org. Do your:
#make-kpkg clean
#make xconfig
/*Try your best at selecting the right config options*/
#make-kpkg --revision peter.01 kernel_image
#dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.9_peter.01_i386.deb
/*or whatever kernel source you'll download from kernel.org*/
#lilo -v 
/*make sure no errors pop up there*/
#reboot
/*be happy, OR*/
Reboot and choose vmlinuz.old or whatever name LILO gives to your 2.0
kernel image and you'll be back where you started before the kernel
compile. Then
#dpkg -P kernel-image-2.4.9
/*restart the cycle with make-kpkg clean, etc., but use a different
revision number.  This way never failed me in my worst days of finding
the right kernel config options for my old laptop. Make sure you are not
trying to install another copy of recompiled kernel with dpkg over the
faulty one as the LILO will place /vmlinuz.old link to the faulty
kernel, and not the 2.0 one you have working. I usually manually
recreate the right link and rerun lilo, but am not sure this is the
right way (tm).*/

  Alex.

Re: Which CDs to buy? (Did apt-get, nervous about kernel compile)

[Stephen Gran]

Thus spake Peter Christensen:
 I'm still learning Debian-Linux, was so pleased that apt-get worked.  It
 took 12 hours (!), but afterward Mozilla was finally working, so now I
 have internet access.
 
 After the apt-get dist-upgrade I got a message saying that I must
 upgrade the kernel.  Current is 2.0.36, need at least 2.2.12.
 
 Compiling the kernel looks like it will be tough for a beginner.  (I
 checked out some of the instructions on the Debian website.)  
 
 So here's my question:  I'm sure I'll make a mistake if I compile the
 kernel, so I want to have a fresh set of Debian CDs.  According to the
 Debian website Cheapbytes sells a vendor release and a custom
 release.  Linux-CD.com sells the official release.  Does it make a
 difference which I buy?  (Both sell the 2.2r3 release.)
Compiling a kernel is something that should be approached cautiously,
but it's also not *that* hard.  Try http://linuxnewbie.org - they have
some decent walkthroughs for this kind of thing.  Just make sure you
have a bootdisk (mkboot) and take a deep breath before you reboot.  In
the long run, learning how to recompile a kernel will result in a better
running box, as well - you won't have unnecessary things compiled in,
and your resulting kernel will be smaller.
Good luck, 
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Re: Which CDs to buy? (Did apt-get, nervous about kernel compile)

[Bob Nielsen]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:41:18PM -0400, Peter Christensen wrote:
 I'm still learning Debian-Linux, was so pleased that apt-get worked.  It
 took 12 hours (!), but afterward Mozilla was finally working, so now I
 have internet access.
 
 After the apt-get dist-upgrade I got a message saying that I must
 upgrade the kernel.  Current is 2.0.36, need at least 2.2.12.
 
 Compiling the kernel looks like it will be tough for a beginner.  (I
 checked out some of the instructions on the Debian website.)  

If you don't need any customized options in your kernel, you should be
able to just run 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19', rather than
having to compile it.  If you have lilo set up correctly, the
installation will allow you to select either your new or old kernel at
boot time.

 
 So here's my question:  I'm sure I'll make a mistake if I compile the
 kernel, so I want to have a fresh set of Debian CDs.  According to the
 Debian website Cheapbytes sells a vendor release and a custom
 release.  Linux-CD.com sells the official release.  Does it make a
 difference which I buy?  (Both sell the 2.2r3 release.)

Reinstallation should only be a last resort, but to play things safe,
you should have a bootable floppy with your current kernel version as
well as a rescue floppy.  You can use mkboot (in the debianutils
package) to make a bootdisk with your present kernel.

I suspect either of the CD sources (or any of the others) will suffice
if you get version 2.2r3.  Some vendors sell different combinations of
the various CD images which may or may not include such things as
non-free, non-US or source packages.  If you have a reasonably fast
internet connection, you should only require Disk #1 in any case.

Re: Which CDs to buy? (Did apt-get, nervous about kernel compile)

[Mike Alborn]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:41:18PM -0400, Peter Christensen wrote:
 I'm still learning Debian-Linux, was so pleased that apt-get worked.  It
 took 12 hours (!), but afterward Mozilla was finally working, so now I
 have internet access.
 
 After the apt-get dist-upgrade I got a message saying that I must
 upgrade the kernel.  Current is 2.0.36, need at least 2.2.12.
 
 Compiling the kernel looks like it will be tough for a beginner.  (I
 checked out some of the instructions on the Debian website.)

As others in the thread have noted, it isn't *that* difficult. However,
if you don't wish to compile a kernel, Debian has some prepackaged kernels that
should suit your system. head over to http://packages.debian.org and search for
packages named kernel-image* If you're running a more common setup, you can
probably get away with apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19-2 or the like,
depending on what release you're running (it will be stable if you haven't
changed it.)

However, I must stress the importance of the experience of 'rolling
your own' kernel. I was compiling my own until I switched from Mandrake to
Debian, and you learn a great deal from the process, especially if you're new
to linux (like I was at the time).

 
 So here's my question:  I'm sure I'll make a mistake if I compile the
 kernel, so I want to have a fresh set of Debian CDs.  According to the
 Debian website Cheapbytes sells a vendor release and a custom
 release.  Linux-CD.com sells the official release.  Does it make a
 difference which I buy?  (Both sell the 2.2r3 release.)

I don't know for sure about this one, but I'll venture a guess:
There are several sections to the debian package archives (main contrib
non-free non-us etc). The vendor release may contain only the main section,
which will be everything you need to get up and running. The custom release
may contain extras, like the contrib section, for instance. In any case, all
of the above options you mention will contain enough to get the system up and
connected. From there you can fetch the rest from the internet.

HTH,
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About Kernel

[Marco Presi]

Hello.
I'm Marco and I would like to join the Debian world :), and in the while 
I'm collecting some informations. 
I have a question (much more a curiosity) about the kernel provided by
Debian.
I know taht many distributions (as RedHat for example) use to patch the
kernel in their distribution, in a way that it could create incopatibilies
with the Official Linux Kernel during a kernel upgrade, i.e, using RH I
cannot upgrade kernel version using the patches I found @ kernel.org
Does Debian make the same? Are the official kernel patches compatibles?

In the (next) future I would like to contibute like a developer...
In view of this, which is the best Debian version to get started? frozen
or woody?

Thanks to all

see you soon
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Questions about kernel-package 6.x and kernel-source*.deb's

[Richard Kaszeta]

Recently I upgraded most of my machines from the version of
kernel-package that came with hamm to 6.05.

Now when I build kernel source packages, instead of the kernel-source
package unrolling to /usr/src/kernel-source-x.x.x it just creates
/usr/src/kernel-source-x.x.x.tar.gz.  

The make-kpkg man page states:

kernel_source
  This  target  produces  a debianised package of the
  Linux kernel sources. The package produced also has
  scripts  called  at  install  and delete times that
  manage the symbolic link /usr/src/linux and  ensure
  that   the   link   is   pointed   at   the  latest
  source/header package on the system.

suggesting that the /usr/src/linux link gets updated by the
kernel-source and kernel-headers packages.  But on my system, after
installing custom kernel packages, I get:

%ls -la /usr/src
total 12944
drwxrwsr-x   4 root src  1024 Mar  5 08:46 .
drwxr-xr-x  17 root root 1024 Feb  4 10:18 ..
drwxr-xr-x   8 root root 1024 Oct 26 09:48 boot-floppies
drwxr-xr-x   3 root root 1024 Mar  5 08:45 kernel-headers-2.2.1
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 13196998 Feb  5 09:58 
kernel-source-2.2.1.tar.gz

so this obviously isn't happening.

The problem I have is that I have a number of third party kernel
modules (mostly gpib), which are expecting to find a configured src
tree in /usr/src, including module information .  Even if I unroll
kernel-source-2.2.1.tar.gz and point /usr/src/linux to it, these won't
building since neither of these packages include the version
information contained in /usr/src/linux/modversions.h and
/usr/src/linux/modules/*.ver.  So something isn't working here.

My workaround has been ugly... when I make a custom kernel, I sandbag
the .config.  When I need to build third-party modules, I unroll my
upstream kerenl source in /usr/src/linux, copy in the .config, do a
full kernel build but no install, then build the modules, install the
modules, and clean up my mess.
 
There's definitely at least one bug here, but I thought I'd ask for a
clarification before submitting a bug report.

Can anyone clear up this mess?

Thanks.


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question about kernel

[Maarten Bezemer]

Hi!
A lot of the people here are running RH linux, and this morning all of 'em
crashed. RH seems to have a patch available, Debian doesn't.
Question: is Debian vulnerable for this?

-Maarten



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Re: question about kernel

[Carroll Kong]

Yes.  There is the new 'nestea' attack ... linux is linux, regardless of
distribution.  In other words, debian is definately vulnerable, there are
patches available.  I forgot exactly where I got mine, (sorry), but it is
something like ip_fragment.c and you throw it into your kernel source tree and
recompile it... 


Carroll Kong

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Maarten Bezemer wrote:

 
 Hi!
 A lot of the people here are running RH linux, and this morning all of 'em
 crashed. RH seems to have a patch available, Debian doesn't.
 Question: is Debian vulnerable for this?
 
 -Maarten


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Re: question about kernel

[Maarten Bezemer]

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Carroll Kong wrote:

   Yes.  There is the new 'nestea' attack ... linux is linux,
 regardless of  distribution.  In other words, debian is definately
 vulnerable, there are patches available.  I forgot exactly where I got
 mine, (sorry), but it is something like ip_fragment.c and you throw it
 into your kernel source tree and recompile it... 

thanks, but as you're not certain, I guess it was not on www.debian.org?

Well, knowing the name makes it a lot easier to look for ;-)

-Maarten.


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Supplemental Info about kernel problem

[Seth Rutenberg]

Please allow me to repeat myself and add some more (relative?) info:

I am having difficulty compiling kernel v. 2.0.27.
I was/am using a precompiled kernel which is also v. 2.0.27.
I am using Binutils v. 2.7.0.3, which is the version listed as current in
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes
I am using GCC v. 2.7.2.1

Here is the output from make:
ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 000fffe0
nm vmlinux | grep -v '\(compiled\)\|\(\.o$\)\|\( a \)' | sort  System.map
make[1]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27-2/arch/i386/boot'
make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27-2/arch/i386/boot/compressed'
./xtract /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27-2/vmlinux | gzip -9 | ./piggyback 
piggy.o
Non-GCC header of 'system'
Compressed size 20.
ld -qmagic -Ttext 0xfe0 -o vmlinux head.o misc.o piggy.o
ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 0fe0
misc.o: In function `fill_inbuf':
misc.o(.text+0x1ebc): undefined reference to `input_data'
misc.o(.text+0x1ec1): undefined reference to `input_len'
misc.o(.text+0x1ed7): undefined reference to `input_data'
make[2]: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27-2/arch/i386/boot/compressed'
make[1]: *** [compressed/vmlinux] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27-2/arch/i386/boot'
make: *** [zImage] Error 2

Any insights into the cause or solution to this problem are greatly
appreciated.


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regarding a message about kernel compile error I wrote..

[Daniel Stringfield]

A week or two ago, I wrote about an error that I got while compiling.
Well.. I fixed it.
This was with kernel-source 2.0.27
The error was on line 267 of scripts/mkdep.c
It read:
path_array[0].buffer[len] = '\0';(patth_array[0].len = len;

And I changed it to:
path_array[0].buffer[len] = '\0';(path_array[0].len = len);

and now it compiles.

I never saw a response to my message, (my former ISP's email screwed up a
few times too, which nuked about total of 100 emails, from two different
sessions. :(
and didn't see a bug listed for it.



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